How to Talk to Dragons and Unleash Your Intuition with Guest Fiona Robertson

Do you trust your gut? That initial instinct that something is right... or wrong.

Or, when faced with choices and decisions, do you get stuck on that hamster wheel of procrastination? Going round and round, waiting for clarity? For permission? For that certainty that only comes with hindsight?

If this dilemma resonates, then this episode is for you. 

Join me and my guest Fiona Robertson for something a little bit different, as we explore her unusual way of operating with our feminine intuition... by harnessing the practical magic of talking to dragons. 

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SPEAKER_03 0:01

Welcome to Midlife Unlimited, the podcast for women who want more. I'm your host, Kate Porter, the Midlife Metamorphosis coach, and I know what it's like to feel stuck navigating the midlife maze. I've looked in the mirror and thought, who is that woman? So Midlife Unlimited is here to let you know you are not alone. You don't have to pull on a brave face and put up with it. You don't have to play it safe. Midlife Unlimited is all about ripping off that mask and telling it like it really is. Nothing is off limits because together there's no limit to what we can achieve. So welcome to today's episode. Now, do you trust your gut with that initial instinct that something is right or wrong? Or when faced with choices and decisions, do you get stuck on that hamster wheel of procrastination, going round and round, waiting for clarity, for permission, for that certainty that only really comes with hindsight? If this dilemma resonates, then this episode is just for you. Because I'm delighted to be joined by my guest today, Fiona Robertson, conscious business coach and author of Interview with a Dragon, to talk about how to talk to dragons and unleash your intuition. So welcome, Fiona. It's fabulous to have you here. It's fabulous to be here. Thank you very much, Kate. What a wonderful introduction. Well, I am, you can probably tell by my introduction. I'm rather excited about this because it's something completely different. We've had angels, we've had soul signatures, but this is the first time we have featured dragons on Midlife Unlimited. So, firstly, thank you for bringing this new topic to this podcast. And because you're all about a new way of opening up to and operating our female intuition, because that's what it's all about, really, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 2:09

Yeah, absolutely. It's all about how we're operating going forward. Um, I'm very strong believe that we are on a radical path of personal development and we are changing the way that we operate. I mean, if you think the way that your parents operated and each generation seems to operate in, you know, we evolve, basically is what I'm saying. Um, and the way forward now is to use your intuition more to be more listening into your gut to um, and you couldn't have been more surprised than me when dragons walked into my life, even though I am a year of the dragon. But this is the way that we're moving forward. And if you think about maybe telepathy is going to be a little bit more important for us now. Um, using your gut instinct, asking the right questions, listening to the answers. So, yeah, that's that is what I'm all about.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

Absolutely, and I love that because we we will delve into this shortly, but you're gonna be sharing your top lessons learned as well for how we can unleash our intuition. But I think we've I've had conversations on here before where we've touched on, as you said, you know, our intuition, that gut feeling, and how as children, it was probably far more obvious or or far more present, but we've all almost stifled it or had it stamped out of us. So is was that true of you of your story? Were you very intuitive as a child and then boxed that away and forgot about it until more recently? Or take us back. How did dragons come into your life, basically? Because I want to I need to know.

SPEAKER_02 3:42

You need to know, okay. Well, yeah. Um, so it's a good question. Like somebody asked me that before, and I thought, no, I was never intuitive as a child. But then, you know, when you look back, you kind of go, Well, when I did my exams at school, I used a pendulum on my bracelet to do the multiple choice answers. Oh my goodness. And as then I thought back and thought, oh, crumbs, I've forgotten that I used to have witches in my bedroom when I was a young girl, and I used to put my head under, you know, put my head where my feet were, and my feet were on my pillow, and mum and dad would say, I found you upside down in your bed again, you know. But the witches were always there, and they were just um they were just friends, and they would just look like that.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

So was it a friendly feeling rather than a few years? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

But it was just like, Oh, I've got something in my bedroom. And a lot of people since then have been spoken to and they said, Well, I've never feel I've never told anyone else this, Fiona. But when I was little, this happened, and I've seen this and I've seen that. And my clients now are amazing plant communicators, and what's that? Yeah, oh yeah, and you know, they're spiritual artists and they're animal communicators, so we've all got these natural gifts, and what I love to do is bring those out for people, and it may take them a year to feel really confident. I mean, can you imagine? Dragons came through to me when I was um, I think it was the beginning of COVID, 2019, 2020. And I'm sitting on my settee just going, well, what am I here for? What am I supposed to be doing? What you know, what now? I'm working, you know, my arse off, and everybody's off school and work. I've always worked from home, I've worked, I've been self-employed for years. And I got this loud message: write your book, write your book, write your book. I was like, oh, great, I know what this book's about. Girls just want to have fun. It's like me creating how I manifested certain things, how I went traveling around the world at 40. And I thought, brilliant. But that's when the dragons came in, because I was like, there's something more in this book, there's something more. Um, and I was meditating, and then um a colleague that I'd been working with, she was a hypnotist, she said, Well, let me just, you know, you channel it, and she said, and I'll ask you the questions. I said, But I'm not a channel, how how's that gonna work? And then lo and behold, I got into just I got out of my own way, and this is what I now teach people how to get out of their own way, using their gut intuition and just listening. And I saw this eye, and then when I saw this eye, I realized I'd seen it before, but I'd seen it a few years before, just looking into my world, like scanning, just looking in and just going, Oh, that's where you're up to. That's okay, fine. Well, we'll just wait. And then, and then when I was in this channeling, this hypnotism state, you know, the eye just became clearer, and then I saw the face, and then I was like, Oh wow, I'm in the presence of this dragon. Imagine this dragon, like the size of a three-story house, it was massive. How did that feel? Uh yeah, I was just interested because I thought even back, I thought, you know, how did I feel about that? It was like, I wasn't scared, I was intrigued, because it wasn't necessarily me. So, like Fiona the human, if you understand, had stepped out of the way, and I was this just being spirit, I was just being my soul. So, like when I met the dragon, I was like, oh oh wow, oh wow, you know, how do I do I talk to you? So I was just thinking certain things, and then eventually she was coming back with the answers, and then I realized, oh my god, I could interview a dragon, and then that's why the book came out. Like, so I said, Okay, well, fine. Well, let's just let's just you know spend you know one day a week or something or an hour going into the state, and we can ask the questions that we want to ask. So I I noted down what the questions were, and this uh friend of mine, Isabel, was just asking the questions, and I we videoed them, so I do have some videos on my YouTube, but and then those become the interviews, and I think you've got a copy of the book as well, and that's how yeah the interviews came through, and then when I was asking the questions, they were just so kind of matter-of-fact, and well, this is how we do it, and this is how we see things moving forwards, and if humans should just like get out of their own way, it would just be the most phenomenal feeling ever. But what they were teaching over the over the weeks was how to manifest, how to change you know the way you do things, how we operate in a different way. And they said it was almost like a feeling revolution because humans have got into a state where they really don't like to feel things. If you think like feeling something, you automatically think, Oh shit, that I don't want to feel that, I don't want to feel that. And I'm like, but it's okay to feel that. It's like it's only a feeling. If you could think of a feeling as a colour, it it's just a feeling. You can, oh, that's what it is, and then let it go. So they're teaching us how we've become so snarled up in our thoughts, overthinking, overthinking, analysing, overthinking, analyzing, overthinking, of course, which doesn't allow your gut instincts or you know your soul to start communicating with you. One of the main things they said was, you know, humans have been through an era of you know, just seriousness, survival. If we could just allow you to see that that's like a brick wall to us, we can't get through to you when you're thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking so much. And if you think about children's education, our education, you know, where education is gone, it's all about thinking, it's all about memory, it's all about dates, it's all about facts, it's all about thinking all the time. It's just like, can you just stop? Can you stop? And I'm still going through this now, and every now and again, oh my god, I'm thinking, but can you feel the force in your body when you're in the effort in your body when you're thinking and think trying to force things to happen, make things happen? Whereas manifesting something comes from a very different um many, you know, many many people have kind of heard of law of attraction, they've heard of manifesting, they've heard of creating your own reality, but it's like, how do I do that without forcing it through? And Fiona's like a bulldrozer at forcing things through, she's been like that her whole life, but then to sort of learn how this all works is like, oh my god, it's like coming from silence, stepping out of your own way.

SPEAKER_03 10:09

Because I find the timing as well really interesting, because as you say, you went traveling in your 40s. Now, was that a gut instinct? Did you just go for it? Was how how was that decision, or was it made differently to how you would make it now, knowing what you know, having been in this newer realm of unleashing your intuition?

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Yeah, going traveling in my 40s or 39 was really, really interesting. Um, I um I was running a company called Vision Source, and I sold or I distributed miniature cameras and miniature flat screens. Um, think of the time when the TVs were all tube TVs, they were like massive TVs, and then we went to flat screen. So, like I was at the forefront of that and miniature cameras, so like we didn't have cameras on our phones, we didn't have cameras in it. I was in the forefront of video conferencing. So, like, talk about yeah, talk 25, 30 years ago. So I was in the process of that, and I was running my own company. I left this company, I was running my own company. It was just all just all flowed, and I was separated from my partner who he also did. He was he who he was very clever, he created the cameras on the London bus systems, anyway. I I separated from him, I moved into this other house, and then again I was thinking just like well, what now? What's going on now? You know, and then one morning I was woken up with a very loud voice, and it asked me, Do you want to be doing this in five years' time? And I was like, No, oh my god, what would I just say? I I'm hanging on to my business like it's my baby, it's like it's my like a life raft almost. Well, we do, don't we? We think this is what we do, this is my identity, this is who I am. Who am I if I don't do this? Um, and I was like, Oh, holy shit, like who who am I then if I don't if I'm not doing this, and if I don't go to work and do this, like what? And then you know, the voice came again, you know, do you want to be doing this in three years' time? And I was like, no. And do you want to be doing this in one year's time? And I was like, oh hell no, actually. And it took me then a year after that to sell my company, to sell my car, to rent my house. I did a life coaching course in the in the meantime, because I'm like, well, who am I then? And I was flicking through a magazine. I said, Well, show me what's next. I'm very cheeky, I'm very rebellious. I'm very kind of like, well, you can't just like give me a loud voice, which is like out of the blue, and not give me any further forward. Because then it just went quiet. And I was like, What the hell? Like, you you've you've just turned my life upside down, and now you're gonna go quiet. So I'd flick through this magazine and I'd seen this, it just opened, said just open it. So come on then, come on then. And it was just on this live coaching course. And I went, uh, okay. And I negotiate, and several of my stories is I negotiate. I'm like, well, I'll go if I can get to this hotel in Reading and it on this date, then if they've got an availability, I'll go. So I rang, and of course they did. Yeah, and I went to so many people, and then in after that, we did the firewalk with Tony Robbins. So, like, all this group then and went and did something radical. I was like, Holy moly, how on earth is that possible? It was blowing my mind that you that you could do these things, and then when I was traveling, so many little things happened, which I just I was like, well, what's going on here then? I was told to, um, if I was interested in doing further furthering my Reiki, to contact this woman called Valentine. And I was like, Okay, well, fine. She doesn't live very far away from my dad. My dad lived in South Africa, and I don't want to go and see him straight away. But you know, why don't I go and see Valentine? I rang and I rang and I rang and I left messages and I rang and I wrote in my journal that day, this woman is impossible to get hold of, trying to force it through. Then I heard a voice in my head that said, Well, scratch that out and write something else then. So I went, okay, then I scratched it out, and this woman is like so easy to get hold of, and within that second, she rang me back.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

And I was like literally reframing and visualizing, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

And I was like, Oh, oh, what just happened there then? I was like, is this the way I'm supposed to kind of live an experiment? It's all an experiment. So that was a lot of some of the things that happened traveling. I was playing with this, like, oh, I want to get down from I was in Cairns and I wanted to get down to Sydney. And I was like, Well, how am I going to do that? What do I really want? So, this is how you manifest. What do I really want? Well, I'd like to travel with a bunch of people who are kind of like fun to travel with. Um, and I'd met some people who are kind of fun. And and I said, It'd be nice if we could all go in a convoy, it'd be nice if like I could get a seat in their car. Um, and then the next morning, one of the guys said to me, He said, Oh, we've got a space in our car, do you want to come along? I was like, Yes. So they give you like a tingle feeling though. But that's why I call all my business is called practical magic, because it's the stuff that's very practical in your life, like getting your car through the MOT. Or if you haven't got money for your parking ticket, you put a bubble around your car. Or, you know, it's the practical stuff. And I'll often say, Do you know what, dragon's soul? I have no idea how to do this. No idea. But you do, please show me how. And then something will pop up if I'm on my computer, something will pop up on my on my feed, and and I was like, is that for me? And then I'll use my yes and my no. And it's kind of like, oh yeah, oh wow, okay, yes. This is my yes. I lean back, that's me. I lean back, my heart is open. I'm like, okay, that's my yes. Okay, well, I'll go forward with that then. So a lot of it is like this just open running commentary, and I know when things go a bit shit in my life, it's because I haven't been using those conversations and I haven't stepped out of my way. Fiona's trying to force something through and make make something happen because she thinks that this is the way it works. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

So obviously, you've met mentioned dragons. Can you introduce us to them? Because I know that there's a matriarch, is that correct way to describe her?

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Or I mean, I I'm I'm part of the dragon summit. There's there's quite a few people now who are getting dragons and who have seen dragons. So it's not as if Kate, I could say to you, you'll never see a dragon. Because once you're open to the fact, and I know you've got my book, once you're open to the fact that dragons exist, so think of dragons as um they're like angels, but they're very straightforward. They'll be like a northerner.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

So they tell it like it is.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

They tell it like it is. So often the dragons, um I'll tell you that in a minute, but often the dragons will come through and somebody will say, Oh god, look at the way that lady, oh my god, that looks like a dragon. Or they'll see a dragon eye like I did. Other people will see, you know, it's just it's broadening your visual spectrum, it's broadening your auditory spectrum. So, in other words, you're you're open to intuition, you're open to listening to what's coming through. I mean, Fiona, if I talk about her like that, I say Fiona, because I mean my human, my my bulldozer version of me. She never even thought that was possible. She was all hairspraying, high heels, and get things done, go to work, and just you know boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, oh, very linear, very, very matter-of-fact. And then to sort of be doing this. So it's taken me a long time to sort of you know talk freely and openly about the dragons. And the more people who are accepting them, the more I'm thinking I'm safe to talk about them, and not within my family or necessarily, but you know, certainly with people who are kind of open to doing things in a different way. Um, introduce you to the dragons. So I have a specific clan of dragons. Somebody would another person would say, Oh, I've got a community of dragons, I've got a thunder of dragons, and they do seem to have different purposes. Some people are very galactical, they've got, you know, massive, you know, a big overview. Other people are very elemental, so the fire, the water, the air. So they've got, you know, they they listen to elemental dragons. Now, my dragons came through because I met Seraphina, who's the big golden dragon, and she's the matriarch. Matriarch of this particular phase of your life, and then she's here to particularly guide you, and that's what that's who I interviewed. And then she introduced me to then to the other seven dragons within this particular clan, and they are here to help us with radical personal development.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

I like that.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

So the first one may um the matriarch Seraphina would say, uh, so what is it that you want? What is it that you want to create? What's coming next in your life? Don't just leave it to chance, don't be lazy in your thoughts. Like, come on, what is it? What do you want? What do you really, really want? It's like, oh, well, I want clients. Do you really want clients, or are you just wanting for money? But what are you going to do with the money? So she's she's very provocative, and that's why I love her. And the feeling of her when you read the book or when you listen to the cards, because the messages that came through, I was then asked to make them into cards so that you could pull a card every day. She's very loving, she's very, very patient. But she will always poke you and provoke you into what is it that you really, really want. Now, the other way that life, dragons, the universe poke you is with soul interventions. Now, soul interventions is when you get separated, you have to move house, you've got a physical ailment. And if you understand what is going on behind that, it's like, well, why is this happening to me? Why have I got this hip that just so painful? Or when all your money situations flare up, these are all kick up the backside, they're saying right now. Kick up the backside to kind of do the here now, yeah. Figure it out, stop doing this, stop complaining, stop talking about this, stop feeling that, and move into the next version, the next way of doing things. So um if you've got things that are going on, it's like, well, this is their this is their story when I was going to say something earlier on. This is when they say grow up. And I've had several clients, and I used to be a weight loss coach because I did a lot of detox and and and raw food. And you know, people would come to me because they wanted to do the fast, they wanted to do the DS cost because they thought in their mind that was how they were going to lose the weight. But when we had the conversations, because one how you do one thing is how you do everything, and they'd say, um, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They tell a story, tell a story, be complaining about their mum. You know, they're in their 50s or 60s, and you know what it's like. They're complaining about their mum, like all their history, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the dragons would come through, and I would have to go, I can't say that. Say it. I uh no, I I can't say that to this lady. Say it. And I say, and I would I would preempt it and I say, I'm being asked to tell you something, because I'm channeling when I'm with with a client, and I said, I've been asked to tell you this, and I said, but take it the right way. I said, Are you being told to grow up? They're like, I'm 50, I'm a grandmother, of course I'm growing up. I said, Yeah, but they're saying you're kind of still telling stories about your mum. So that's what I mean when they say they are very northern and they're very direct and they're very in your face because they're not doing it to hurt you, they're saying, Can you just move past that now? Can you stop telling people about your financial brokenness or your husband and what he did, or your mother and what she did, or the work, or the boss, or whatever? It's like because as you keep telling that, you keep creating the same issue.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Well, you're living into the victim mentality, aren't you? Everything about it is like, poor me, it's all happened to me, there's nothing I can do about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

Rather than saying, and I think one of the some of the hardest things I've had to do is change the story of, for example, about an ex. Um, I was left as a single mum, and he wasn't able to support me in any way. And every time I asked for money, he says, My pockets were empty. And I went into victimhood. I was like, oh, but I was waiting for him to step up, and he'd never stepped up all the time we'd we'd been together. And I was like, well, and then I was, you know, slapped around the face with this, just saying, Well, you're creating it. And it but it became such a habit to sort of throw darts and axes at someone to kind of tell them that they were useless. I was like, well, actually, hang on a second. The only person it's hurting is me if I keep telling that story. Let me tell a different story. And it took me a little while to sort of, you know, allow myself to get him off the hook. I felt like I was letting him off the hook to tell a different story, but I had to change a story around and say, well, you know, yeah, he, you know, he's a good dad and he's very generous. And and, you know, I had to be a bit delusional. And this is what I teach is like, how do you get out of the story that you're telling and get into a different vibration, get into a different story and just let it go? And then when I did, things started to change. He and I'd have the image sometimes of just, oh God, I just I love rolls of cash. If somebody gives me money, I'd rather it was in a roll of cash. And one day he came off and dropped off the kids and he gave me a roll of cash. And I went, ooh, I created that. And then that just becomes fabulous. It's not like you can win the lottery with it or something else, but it's like, how does it radically change you so that you can understand what you are creating? Your inner world creates your outer world, the world responds to how you feel and how you think and what you what you think and what you say. And it's like, oh God, I'm just gonna have to be more responsible and tell a better story.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

So, would you say that keep telling and keeping on telling a new story, rethinking your story, would that be the first lesson that you've learned in your own life and that you're now imparting with the help of with the help of Seraphina? And I love that. Is it a thunder? I mean, obviously, yours are a clan, but is thunder? Is that the collective noun? Thunder of Dragons. I think so.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Um, because I'm I'm a member of Dragon Thunder, who who they organize the Dragon Summit every year, and this year's the fourth year, so you've got an awful lot of people talking about dragons on that side.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Um, so Serafina would always come in and just say, Well, what is it that you want? I want life to be easier, I want life to feel free. I want, you know, well, what does that mean to you? You know, she will always kind of like, well, what does that mean to you? Yeah, yeah, the why. But then the next dragon that came along was um Raphael. Now, and I thought, wasn't that funny? He's the name of an angel. But he's the name of a dragon, and he is very, very, very, very different. He is like your favorite professor. Imagine you've got the glasses over the nose, he's like a really old, old, old, old guy. He's incredibly silver, huge, and he's so patient. And he's he's always asking you for the finer details. Give me the finer details. Well, you know, what does that feel like? What would you say about that? Give me the finer details, describe it. Because Serafina would just say, What's the bigger, you know, what do you want? And you go, Yeah, well, I just want to be rich, I just want to be well, I just want to be, and it's all very vague. So he would say, Well, give me the details, and you know, the details would be how does it feel in your body? What kind of things are you saying? Is there a smell? Is there an energy to it? What does it feel like? You know, does it move? Is it still? And that's part of the clearing of the energy thing as well. So he would always just say, and what else? And what else? And what would be better than that? And what else? And then the next dragon was Tara. Now she has a funny story because she came to me on a beach when I'd been doing a business reading for someone. I'd be sitting on the beach and I'd just sat there on that pad, and other people were on the beach, and I'd just done my business reading. So I was just in my own space, out of my head, and lo and behold, this dragon walks out of the sea, and I'm like, Oh my god, am I seeing that? But okay, fine. I mean, when I say you walked out, like I'm not seeing it with Fiona's eyes, I'm seeing it with my side eyes, or whatever you want to call it. Like when you stare at something long enough, you you start to see different things. Anyway, that's the space my head was in, altered states. And she walked out of the sea and she came next to me, and there was a dog at the other side of the beach, because this is like a little cove I was in, and it just started barking and barking and barking, and I was kind of aware of it, and I went, it can see and it can feel what's going on. It slipped its leash and it came rocketing over the beach, and the guy's going, no, no, no, and it just it just dived on me. It was like um it wasn't a staffy, but it was a bull, it was a bulldog, but like American bulldog, yeah. Kind of big, and it just started rolling all over me, and it was gritty sand all over my legs and its claws, but it was like, Oh my god, I love you, I love you, and you know, like it was just flopping all over me, and my legs are all scratched and everything. And I'm like, I know exactly why you're here, boy. And the owner was like profusely, oh my god, I'm so sorry. I'm like, it's okay. And he was French, so I couldn't really explain what was going on, and I was like, That's okay, that's okay. Anyway, he took the dog away and it's like, No, I want to go back, I want to go back. Um, and by the time Tara is behind me. Now, Tara is always asking you, What do you feel now? If you had the scale, like if you put your arms out to the left and the right, like what's on your left hand, where are you now? But where do you want to go? Like, we can flip that, we can we can take it from a different perspective. She's all about turning things 180 degrees around. Like, you're here, but you want to be there. You're not gonna get there by thinking the same thing and doing the same thing and all the rest of it. So let's flip it. So that's what she came in with. After that was Luna Ray, she was more to do with feelings, so you've got to know what you feel like um in your heart. And most people kind of go, no idea what love feels like. Explain to me what love feels like, explain to me what happy feels like. Um, so she started teaching me about feelings, and it was really funny because I'd been brought up, I suppose, really not understanding. Feelings were or emotions were a sign of weakness, so don't overthink it, don't don't feel into it. Oh, for lordy body, let's not let's not feel anything, you know, let's just plow our way through life and survive. So she was kind of saying, Okay, well, this is what love feels like, this is what happy feels like, this is what fun feels, and you'd feel it differently in your body, like you heard a frequency and vibration, so they they feel differently inside your body. So she was teaching me how that worked.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

And I say it's it's tough to actually sit with emotions and feelings sometimes. We're so, as you say, we're so used and we're so conditioned, and especially now we've hit midlife and we've spent so long bottling things up or putting on that brave face or thinking, uh, the shoulds, we shouldn't be feeling like this. We shouldn't be indulging our feet. I mean, how often do you hear that phrase? Oh, indulging her feelings, indulge if you're upset, it's not indulgence, you've got to live through it to get through it.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

Yeah, I mean, I think one of the biggest things that ri I realized when I gave birth to my first son, it wasn't it wasn't a very nice birth experience, but anyway, whatever. So there you go, whatever. You know, just pass it over. Don't don't think about all the times you got hurt as a child, da-da-da. So I was thinking, and somebody came in, I think it was my my ex-mother-in-law. She came in, she's oh, isn't that just the most amazing feeling ever? Doesn't that just that love fill your body? And I was like, What the I don't feel anything different. What's wrong with me? Am I broken? And I think at those particular times I realized I wasn't articulate in feeling, and it's been a huge lesson. And I realize I've been on the quest for love probably my whole life, not really knowing what it was, how it landed, allowing myself to even want to know what it felt like. Uh, a few people I've spoken to, and this will make you laugh. And I said, So, you know, I'm I'm discovering what feels like to feel love, and I'm I'm happy to take you through the process so that you can feel it. And they went, Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I was like, why wouldn't you want to know what love feels like? Well, then I'm gonna realise that my whole life I didn't have love, and I'm like, yeah, but for the rest of your life, you will know what love feels like. And they just they do runners, they're like, no, because I think we are brought up to believe, well, joy and pain. The more joy I feel, the more pain I've got to feel. And people are say this in one of their messages in the book, you know, pe the humanity is terrified of feeling because they think feeling is hurt. But if you block out, if you want to block out the hurt, so like, no, no, no, I don't ever want to be hurt again, I don't want to feel like that again, I don't want to be split up with again, I don't want my heart to be broken again, I don't want to be rejected again. So you you decide that you're going to live in a very, very narrow bond bandwidth. And if you live in a narrow bandwidth, you're like, okay, I will just survive, I will not feel anything, and I will just be a robot.

SPEAKER_03 31:41

Then you're also stopping all the love and the bliss and the joy, and and we also find numbing techniques as well, don't we? Things to actually numb the pain, or we feel like we're protecting ourselves. We're in actual fact, we're not, we're stifling ourselves, but it's like yeah, eating, drinking, smoking, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Sex, anything like that, just like running. I mean, some people are addicted to you know, running and all the rest of it, but all of those are just or keeping busy. Mine was like, keep busy. I'm a I'm a workaholic, like just keep busy, busy, busy, busy. Do give me something you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

You can't think, yeah, you fill your time by being. I mean, I've done a brilliant episode, I loved it with with Wendy about business syndrome and how it is such a real thing. I mean, from what you're saying as well, I would one of the key messages that's coming through is and not from the dragons, from you. Well, perhaps you and the dragons, it's about taking responsibility because we can make so many excuses, and as you say, the victim mentality of these things are happening to me. If it wasn't for such and such, I could do this. But no, we need to take it, don't we? Be honest and say no.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

I think that's the hardest thing, and like I said earlier on, the hardest thing for me was to tell a different story about my ex because I was enjoying being in the victim mode. Really? I was enjoying throwing, I didn't know darts and arrows and like blaming, you know, like we can blame our mothers. So, like, that's that's the point when the dragons come in and just say, You've got to tell her to grow up, you know. And it's tough, you know, to start telling a different story and just say, Well, I let you go. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna kidnap you and keep you in that state anymore. And then I realized, well, the only person I'm hurting is me, because it's all coming back. So if I keep blaming him and and staying in the victim mode, the only person it's hurting is me. And I think one of the things I realized was when I went through a real time of being broke, the only one who can change this is me. Well, god, that's huge, that's huge growing up, isn't it? In responsibility. Okay, so I'm the only one who can change this. Yes, I'm the only one who can change this. How do I do that? Change it, change a story, start thinking differently. That's radical personal development is allowing yourself then to tell a different story about yourself and become a different version of yourself.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

Yeah, because in terms of unleashing our intuition, what what would you say is the the main takeaway that you'd like to impart to listeners? The main thing, one thing they can do today. Obviously, we'd be talking about how they can get hold getting hold of your book, get in touch with you, but as a first step or two steps, or three. Yeah, three, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

One of the main things I I always ask, and I remember somebody saying this to me, um, time in silence. And a lot of people would say, Oh, meditation. I'd say, Well, it's a great start, meditation, because you're getting your head out of the way. But most people sit there and meditate and go, all right, when I finish this, I'll go and do that, and when I do that, I'll do this, and then run on. So you're still chuntering away and and chatting away. And but what if you could allow yourself not to do that? So one of the things that somebody said to me years ago, Oh, Fiona, you need to go and just sit in the woods and sit by a river for like a whole day. And I was like, What? I've got time for that. Are you kidding me? I would have to like, I would have so much to do afterwards if I'd allow myself to do that. Anyway, and I'm laughing now because I know it would help me right now as well. But I started to do it, I used to take the dogs. Okay, well, I like two birds with one stone. Don't ever send me on a task. I like to do two. Oh, if I'm going there, I'll do this and I'll do that at the same time. And then I'm happy because I've achieved something and I've, you know, done two things at the same time. So I thought, well, I'd take the dogs for a walk, but I'll sit by the it just didn't work. They were playing in the water, they were barking, they were moving. I was like, this isn't gonna work. So the next time I went without the dogs, and I was like, well, now what? What do we do now? What do I think now? Which is the funniest thought, isn't it? Like I was laughing the other day with a girlfriend of mine. I said, Okay, so um, and it came up just out of the blue, even though I know it. I was like, Well, what do I think about with all this free time? What do I what do I think about? And it's like, well, don't think anything. I was like, God, yeah, I knew that. I knew that's stupid. So I was sitting by the river and I was just watching the water, or just sitting there with my eyes closed, or imagining just things being taken, taken away on on the on the flow of the river, and watching the water boatman on there. And I was like, I sat there for as long as I could, so no phone, no notepad, no pen, just me with me. And then you notice the birds, you notice the leaves, and when you're in the forest, the forest naturally cleans your energy and things anyway. You're grounding yourself, and that would be the first first thing. Go and sit, put your put your back up against a tree and just sit there and and let yourself be. Yeah, and most people kind of go, Well, I'm I don't know who I am.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

But it it is just that cleaning of emptying of the I'm don't know why I'm stroking my brow here.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

No, but you are because like if you could put all your thoughts in a bubble, if you could just put everything that's going on, like and just put it to one side, post it in a letterbox and just say, I'll pick you up later. I mean, this is what I do when people come for Reikium, just like just all the thoughts that are in your head, just all the fireworks and everything that's going off and to do this and to do that. If you have any idea how many thoughts you have in a millisecond, it's like crazy. And if you could just empty those out and then just bring everything down, bring everything down past your nose, past your chin, that whole bubble, and then into your heart, so that there's nothing in your head, but then your consciousness, so like you think your consciousness is what you think. Bring your consciousness into your body, so you're listening to your heartbeat, you're listening to your breath. You then start really, oh, there's a bit of a gripe in my tummy. I was like, Oh, there's a stitch, or there's a and you're very there consciousness then of like what's going on inside your body, then then you're beginning to start listening to the soul coming through your intuition. So your soul language is your intuition when she's talking to you, when she's send sending you messages, it's coming from inside you, and then you start seeing references on the outside, like angel numbers or number plates, two to two number plates, four four four, nine nine nine.

SPEAKER_03 38:11

Yeah, colours as well. I tend to suddenly start seeing the same colour everywhere, and I'll I'll say I'm seeing this deep blue everywhere. It is like red car syndrome, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 38:22

Yeah, so like that would be. I mean, if scientifically, you would explain that as reticular activation systems. So it's like putting a filter over what you want. If you say, God, I'm really, really liking those blue cabaret cars at the moment. I just, I really, I really like one of those reticular activation systems. Oh, right, okay, that's what you want to see. So you start seeing them, you go, Oh my god, I've just seen another one, I've just seen another one, just seen another one. And I I used to laugh saying, I live, I must live in the corner of the world where they've got all the triple numbers on the number plates because my boys and I used to always look at them and just say, you know, it's a game we used to play, and we'd we'd see them. And reticular activation is that you're just very, very, very aware of when one is then coming into your field, and then you just happen to look at the car and you go, Oh, it's another one, it's a sign. I have messages learned, so like 7-7 for me is like jackpot. What was I thinking just then? Because that's a yes, jackpot. So, like when I'm driving around, then that's then those are the messages that come through. But once you are quiet, you're safe to slow down, then you are open to seeing what you need to see. But the dragons will say, Well, how have you set that up then? Serafina would say, Well, what do you want? And if you don't know what you want, then you have to get into the setup mode. So, like, oh, I'm interested in you know, seeing this or that, or dragons, can you bring towards me this kind of answer or that kind of person? Or like, what are you asking for? Most people are not asking for anything, they're just sitting there and going, Oh shit, another bill.

SPEAKER_03 39:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

Or, oh god, that didn't work out well, did it? Or what a sod he was, you know, like how rude was she in the supermarket? It's like, well, set things up and have a I have a great story that I'm remembering right now. So playing with this, I used to go ecstatic dancing on a Friday, and I live in France, and I'm just like, oh, I just I just want to get out of my head, I want to go dancing, I don't want to go to a nightclub, I don't this a cattle market. Oh, I wonder if they do any ecstatic dancing here. So eventually I found one. Great ecstatic dancing. You don't speak to anyone, you just dance. You don't have to look at anyone or speak to anyone is great. I was like, all right, okay. So I used to go on a Friday, and I was driving there just thinking, hmm, okay, how am I going to set this up? What would be best? What would I like to experience? So this is this is the whole thing. Setting it up, driving there, just going, oh, what would I like? Well, I would like thumping tracks. I would like the DJ to be right on my button. She knows exactly what I want to listen to, and she's just playing the best music that I just can lose myself in. And then I was thinking, well, what would be better than that? Oh, wouldn't it be awesome if if somebody there was just somebody really sweet, I could have a really nice connection with, great conversation in English, please. So we can have a bit of a banter and a bit of a laugh. That would be awesome. Well, what would be better than that? What would be better than that? Oh, I could get a recording of the music because it was so damn good, and I could listen to it again and again and again. Okay, good. So, like, when at the end of the evening, I'm gonna be really satisfied. I'm just gonna be so, so happy. So I go to this ecstatic dance and we start, and the music starts, you know. I think, oh my god, this is awesome! I can really get into this. This is thumping tracks, oh, thumping tracks, and then I forget all about it, dance all night. And the end of the evening, I realized that the DJ's Dutch, and I was like, Oh, I can speak to her. Every Dutch person speaks English, my ex is Dutch. And I had a lovely, lovely conversation with her, and I'm just turning away, and someone else is coming to speak to her. And I went, Oh, you don't have a recording of this, do you? She goes, Yes, it'll be on my SoundCloud. And I was like, Holy moly, I created this whole evening. And you know, even Fiona in her humanish forgets that we have this ability. And then when something happens, you're just reminded again and again and again, don't settle for, don't settle for the mediocre, the average, and the lousy. Just like, what do you want? But life gets busy, life gets in the way, and then we just start firefighting and dealing with what we've got rather than saying, Wouldn't it be fun if I love that.

SPEAKER_03 42:28

I love that. Oh, I'm getting goosebumps. I'm getting goosebumps. Well, I've got your book right here next to me. So we will be sharing in a minute how listeners can get hold of a copy of it, how they can connect with you. But it's quite a good link. We were just talking about going to your ecstatic dancing, about having a banging, no, it wasn't banging soundtrack. I can't remember the word you use now. But thumping. Thumping. Well, we are now going into your three questions that I ask each of my guests. And the first one is, What is your midlife anthem? So I can't wait to hear if this is a thumping track.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

I would have to say Rebel Rebel by David Bowie because I've always I've always felt like the black sheep of the family. Nobody really got what I was talking about or what I was going on about. And you know, he just we used to go to Pipp's nightclub in Manchester when I lived up there, and it was just we there was a there was a bowie room, and it would just it would just be somewhere where you could lose yourself. And I loved all the different ways he expressed himself. I just thought he was absolutely fabulous. And rebel rebel was kind of like you've torn your dress, your face is a mess, you know, and all those kids, things like you, you know, parents don't understand you. It was just that would be that would be it.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

I love it. Rebel rebel and rebel as well, as you say, don't settle, don't just say, Yeah, okay, this is all right, this is enough. No, let's shake it up.

SPEAKER_02 43:48

Well, yeah, I mean, there's so many things in life about that, it's like just you know, you stay in the same relationship or you stay in the same house or the same job, and it's like, no, stop! What do you want?

SPEAKER_03 43:59

Yeah, and it's Back to the questions. I love this, I love this. So, how does that reflect your midlife mantra, the phrase that you live your midlife by?

SPEAKER_02 44:10

Well, that would have to be what came through from the dragons, in that your inner world creates your outer world. So, depending on what you're thinking, depending on what you're feeling and what you've decided that you want, like that would be it. So, like the world responds to you. So, it responds to you because of what you're thinking, what you're feeling, and what you're putting out there, so what you're asking for. So, that would be my mantra that I keep reminding myself. Also, the only one who can do this is you, the only one who can change any of you, any of your circumstances. So, often people say to me, Well, there's nothing I can do, I can't do anything. There's you know nothing I can do, I can't change anything, it's just me.

SPEAKER_03 44:46

My hands are tied, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:48

Just let Lol B, you know, and I'm thinking, well, you could change your story for a start.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

Absolutely, just that's that first step, and that can be the scariest, but it doesn't have to be a massive step, does it? It can be a little tiptoe step, but it's movement, it's movement. Oh, I'm getting my goosebumps, are getting goosebumps. Before we go into how everyone can get in touch with you, then the final question: what is the title of your autobiography?

SPEAKER_02 45:16

When I was asked, write your book, write your book, write your book. I thought, oh, I know exactly what this is going to be about. Girls just want to have fun. So the rebellious part of me, like when I went traveling and all, and that's that's the story, that's the book I'm writing now. Is that all the stories of all the things that I made happen? I do believe I made certain things happen, like you know, like writing a new journal, this woman is so difficult, and then boom, you know, this woman is really easy to get hold of. Girls just want to have fun, and I think we've got so strapped and touched in locked down in trapped in, caged in survival. And I think if we could just have that one phrase, wouldn't it be fun if I could meet someone today who blah blah blah, wouldn't it be fun if blah blah but this happened? Wouldn't it, you know, if we could just do that, that would be girls having fun. I love that, right?

SPEAKER_03 46:04

Listeners, that's a challenge then. Go and write yourself down right now, or the minute we finish listening. Wouldn't it be fun if? And then drop a comment in the reviews. Did it happen? What what is your wouldn't it be fun if? Oh, I'm excited about this. Right. I've promised I'm now going to deliver how can listeners connect with you? Obviously, all your details are in the show notes for our episode, and you have your guest profile on the Midlife Unlimited podcast website. But over to you. How can listeners connect with you?

SPEAKER_02 46:37

I don't know. No, all right. So um I'm on YouTube, I do YouTube, so every single Monday I do the dragon cards. So, what does your soul want to say to you? What does your soul want to tell you? And I pick four cards out, so you can always go on YouTube or on my Facebook profile, and I will be always there coming on a Monday. What are the messages? So, like you could chip pick cards one, two, three, and four. So, those that's one way at least to just start playing and getting more involved. And wouldn't it be fun if, or what does my soul want to show me? What do I what incremental step can I take this week that's going to change the way how I operate? So that would be there. You've also got the book, which is Interview with a Dragon, which is out on Bilbao Press. So the link will be in the show notes. Yeah. So that's how you can get hold of that. And Kate's got her own. And um I have my new book coming out, which is Dragon Practical Magic. So, like every single thing in your life that is practical, you can call in your soul, you can call in creation, you can crawl in the dragons. How do I do this? How do I move through this? And that's going to be full of stories of like how I've changed things around, how I had to change my story. So that's how you actually then start operating. Um, also, I would like a note in there as well about that. I do business readings. I do readings for people, and that's a great story. I was in a Facebook group, and um I just woof, you know, like when things just come out of your mouth and you say things and you think, where the hell did that come from? I did this in a group and I said, Oh, I'm gonna do business readings in your group. And she went, Fantastic, didn't know you did those. I went, nor did I. So I came up, I came off the call with her and I went, What on earth? I don't do I'm no psychic medium, I'm not a mystic Meg. What how on I don't do the business readings? And what I got back was, it's not you that does them. Step out of the way. Yeah, and I was like, Holy. So I started doing business readings as as a as a you know, opening gambit, and I used to say, Look, take it with a pinch of salt, we'll see what comes through. And there were a lot of people were just like, Oh my god, you saw that? You saw what my business wanted to say to me, you saw the relationship, you saw the the the charity work I've always wanted to do, you saw this, and I was like, right, okay then. Fiona got out of the way and just let this information come through. So now I do I call them business readings, they don't have to be business readings, but it's just it's getting what's beyond, what's what's root cause, what's the thought. Um, and I do that with other people with subliminal thinking as well, so that they can create better in their business as well. So the business readings will be in there as well. So, and I've run courses, manifest with the dragons, teaching you how you manifest using the dragons that are there. So, how to create the feelings, how to create the thoughts, how to create the stories, how to in you know bring your soul on board. So that's all in with manifest with the dragons, which is the main course that I do.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

Fantastic. So let's just go and connect with Fiona and me. I'd love your feedback on today's episode, put my teeth in. So it'd be fabulous if you could leave a review. Obviously, if you have decided on your what your fun is going to be, let us know as well. Um, you can email or text me via the link in the show notes and come and join the Midlife Unlimited podcast Facebook group. Again, the link's in the show notes where you'll find the website link to with details of my one-to-one coaching offers and more M-O-R-E exclamation mark, my award-winning all-in-one coaching program that combines one-to-one with group coaching. So, thank you for joining me, Fiona. I've loved it. It's been absolutely brilliant. Thank you for listening. I look forward to you tuning in next week because don't forget Midlife Unlimited has a new episode every Thursday available wherever you listen to your podcasts. So here's to being fabulous and flourishing together and living Midlife Unlimited. Thanks, Fiona. It's been brilliant. Bye.