Divergent States

Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, curious conversations about what these substances actually do.

Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest psychedelic harm-reduction community, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show brings together lived experience, science, and culture without losing its sense of humor.

This isn’t a spiritual podcast.
This isn’t a marketing platform.

No mysticism. No sales pitch. Just real conversations, harm reduction, and honest questions.

We explore how psychedelics shape mental health, creativity, and society, from underground use and peer-support communities to clinical trials, therapy rooms, and shifting public attitudes. Some episodes get serious. Some get weird. All of them are grounded in respect for the people actually taking these substances and living with the outcomes.

Guests include Rick Doblin, Reggie Watts, Leonard Pickard, Anne Wagner, Hamilton Morris, and Rick Strassman.

Divergent States is built on the same principles that made r/Psychonaut work at scale: curiosity without gullibility, openness without losing your footing, and safety without killing the joy.

If you’re looking for guru worship, this isn’t your show.

If you’re looking for thoughtful, funny, and grounded conversations about psychedelics and the lives they touch, welcome to Divergent States.

New episodes every two weeks.

Podcasting since 2024 • 39 episodes

Divergent States

Latest Episodes

The Counterculture of Aging: Abbie Rosner on Psychedelics and Elderhood

What can psychedelics offer when the question is no longer “Who am I becoming?” but “What do I do with the life I’ve already lived?”Abbie Rosner, author of Psychedelics and the Counterculture of Aging, joins 3L1T3 and Bryan for ...

August 11, 2026 • Season 2 • Episode 14 • 1:06:03

Naked Out Loud: Machan Taylor on Memory, Music, and MDMA Therapy

Machan Taylor has spent a lifetime using her voice. As a singer, songwriter, performer, and author of Naked Out Loud, she has worked with artists including Pink Floyd, Pat Benatar, George Benson, Hiroshima, Foreigner, and more. But thi...

July 21, 2026 • Season 2 • Episode 13 • 58:50

The Art of Psychedelic Peer Support | Zendo Project

What actually happens when a psychedelic experience becomes overwhelming in the middle of a concert, festival, or crowded event?3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Case Newsom, emergency medicine physician and medical director of the

July 07, 2026 • Season 2 • Episode 12 • 1:03:45

Who Should Be Allowed to Guide Psychedelic Experiences? | Dori Lewis

Dori Lewis is a psychotherapist, clinical supervisor, Natural Medicine Facilitator, and Co-Founder of Elemental Psychedelics. She also owns Reflective Healing Center, one of Colorado's licensed psychedelic healing centers.As psychedelic ...

June 23, 2026 • Season 2 • Episode 11 • 55:35

The NFL Broke His Brain… Then Ibogaine Changed Everything | Robert Gallery

Former NFL player and College Football Hall of Famer Robert Gallery joins Divergent States for one of the most raw conversations we’ve had on the show.After retiring from professional football, Robert began experiencing intense rage epis...

June 08, 2026 • Season 2 • Episode 10 • 54:01