Divergent States
Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, skeptical conversations. Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest forum dedicated to the safe use of psychedelics, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show examines the science, culture, and contradictions shaping the psychedelic landscape.
No mysticism. No marketing. Just data, lived experience, and hard questions.
We explore how psychedelics impact mental health, creativity, and society, from clinical trials to cultural fault lines. Nothing’s off-limits. Everything is up for scrutiny.
Guests include Rick Doblin, Reggie Watts, Leonard Pickard, Anne Wagner, Hamilton Morris, and Rick Strassman.
If you're looking for reverence, this isn't your show.
If you're after critical, intelligent dialogue about what psychedelics actually do, welcome to Divergent States.
New episodes every two weeks.
Episodes
23 episodes
Betty Aldworth: MAPS, MDMA, and the Battle Over Psychedelic Medicine
In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 sits down with Betty Aldworth, the new co-president of MAPS, as she steps into shared leadership with Ismail Ali following Rick Doblin’s four-decade run.Betty brings decades of e...
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Episode 23
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1:08:08
David Bronner on Corporate Psychedelics, Mysticism, and the All-One Future
Dr. Bronner’s Cosmic Engagement Officer David Bronner joins Divergent States for a candid, nuts-and-bolts conversation about building an “All One” company culture, pushing for psychedelic policy reform, and rewiring globa...
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Episode 22
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1:17:28
Joe Moore on the Future of Psychedelics: From Underground to Mainstream
Psychedelics are no longer the fringe—they’re reshaping medicine, culture, and consciousness itself.In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Joe Moore, co-founder and CEO of Psyc...
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Episode 21
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1:03:00
Reggie Watts on Psychedelics, Creativity, and Consciousness
Comedian, musician, and improvisational genius Reggie Watts joins Divergent States for an unfiltered deep dive into psychedelics, creativity, and consciousness. From jamming on LSD and mushrooms to experimenting with dissociativ...
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Episode 20
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40:33
How Politics Could Derail Psychedelic Medicine — Again
History shows politics can make or break psychedelic medicine, will we repeat the 1960s backlash, or finally move forward? In this episode of Divergent States, we explore the uneasy intersection of psychedelics and p...
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Episode 19
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38:19
Compass Pathways: Independent Media Talks Psychedelic Medicine
In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Kabir Nath, CEO of Compass Pathways, and Dr. Steve Levine, Chief Patient Officer, to talk about the future of psychedelic medicine. From FDA approval and insurance co...
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Episode 18
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39:15
Paul F. Austin: Mastering Microdosing and Unlocking Human Potential
In this episode of Divergent States, host 3L1T3 and co-host Bryan sit down with Paul F. Austin, founder of The Third Wave and the Psychedelic Coaching Institute.We dive deep into microdosing psychedelics, intentional use ...
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Episode 17
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1:10:05
Amber Capone: The Psychedelics Saving Veterans from PTSD
Amber Capone, co-founder and CEO of Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS), shares the powerful story of how psychedelic therapy - starting with Ibogaine - helped her husband, Navy SEAL Marcus Capone, recover ...
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Episode 16
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1:17:10
William Leonard Pickard - The Acid King, the Rose, and the Return
What happens when the most hunted man in psychedelic history walks free and joins us for a conversation?In this deeply reflective episode of Divergent States, I sit down with William Leonard Pickard: chemist, philosopher, author...
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Episode 15
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52:58
Dr. Anne Wagner: Can MDMA Fix a Broken Marriage?
In this episode, 3L1T3 sits down with Dr. Anne Wagner, clinical psychologist and founder of Remedy, whose research pushes MDMA therapy beyond the individual — into the space between two people. We explore what happens when coupl...
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Episode 14
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1:04:21
Kyrsten Sinema: Inside the Psychedelic Fast-Track for Veterans
A former U.S. Senator says the federal government is preparing to fast-track psychedelic medicines, especially for veterans with TBI, PTSD, addiction, and treatment-resistant depression.In this conversation, Kyrst...
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Episode 13
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34:11
Kevin Cranford – Behind the Curtain at MAPS: Culture, Communication & Controversy
This week, we sit down with Kevin Cranford, Communications Officer at MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), to talk about the upcoming Psychedelic Science 2025 conference — what’s new, what’s different, and why it’s shap...
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Episode 12
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52:02
Tom Feegel: Can Psychedelics Heal the Opioid Crisis?
In this powerful new episode of Divergent States, your hosts 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Tom Feegel—CEO and Co-Founder of Beond, a pioneering Ibogaine clinic based in Mexico, to discuss the unfiltered realities of healing, addiction recovery,...
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Episode 11
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59:59
Seven Principles of the Psychonaut w/ Valerie Beltran
What does it mean to be a responsible psychonaut?In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down again with Valerie Beltran, licensed therapist, harm reduction expert, and educator with the Zendo Project, to unpac...
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Episode 10
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50:02
Alli Schaper: Microdosing, Mushrooms, and Policy Reform
In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Alli Schaper, CEO of Supermush and co-founder of the Microdosing Collective, to explore the evolving world of functional and psychedelic mushrooms. Alli shares ...
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Episode 9
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1:05:16
JR Sawyers – The First Film About Set, Setting, and Psychedelic Therapy? A Trip Elsewhere
In this deeply personal and eye-opening episode, we sit down with filmmaker JR Sawyers, the mind behind the indie psychedelic drama A Trip Elsewhere. What begins as a conversation about a film turns into a powerful exploration o...
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Episode 8
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1:07:48
Valerie Beltran & Chelsea Rose – What Happens When a Trip Goes Sideways
In this powerful episode of Divergent States, we’re joined by Valerie Beltran and Chelsea Rose-Pires of the Zendo Project- an organization redefining harm reduction and compassionate care at festivals, events, and beyond....
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Season 1
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Episode 7
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1:07:45
DylAlien on Psychedelic Music Culture: Trance Rituals, Cosmic Giggles & Prankster Wisdom
In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Dylalien: psychedelic DJ, producer, schoolteacher, and longtime organizer of Goa Gil’s legendary all-night, open-air ritual dance parties. You’ve heard his music on this podcast,...
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Episode 6
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1:02:41
Wendy Tucker on the Shulgin Legacy & the Future of the Farm: Preserving Psychedelic History
In this profound episode of Divergent States, we welcome Wendy Tucker, daughter of Ann Shulgin and stepdaughter of the legendary Sasha Shulgin, the "Godfather of Ecstasy." Wendy shares intimate stories of growing up at th...
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Episode 5
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48:23
Rick Doblin Unplugged: Psychedelics, Parenting, Trauma & the Future of MAPS
In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Rick Doblin, founder of MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), for a raw, unscripted conversation on the future of psychedelic therapy, the dang...
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Episode 4
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1:06:29
Joshua White – Holding the Line: Fireside, Crisis Support & Conscious Integration
In this episode of Divergent States, we talk with Joshua White, founder and executive director of the Fireside Project, a nonprofit creating a revolutionary model of psychedelic support through free, real-time emotional c...
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Episode 3
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44:49
Hamilton Morris: r/Psychonaut and the DEA
Hamilton Morris joins Divergent States to unpack a bizarre twist in the drug war: the DEA is using Reddit posts and trip reports as courtroom “evidence.”What happens when harm-reduction advice and half-baked comments are weaponi...
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Episode 2
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