Sparks of Innovation: Turning Menopause into Opportunity with Lindsey Stephens

In this powerful and refreshingly honest episode, Alison welcomes Lindsey Stephens, self-proclaimed magazine geek, publisher of The Female Boss magazine, and founder of Vida Woman.

Lindsey shares the deeply personal journey that led her to create V.Hydrate Serum, a luxurious, all-natural product designed to help women experiencing intimate dryness, a common but rarely discussed symptom of perimenopause and menopause. From her 25+ years in magazine publishing to launching a product born out of her own frustration with what was available, Lindsey opens up about the challenges, research and determination it took to bring her idea to life.

We dive into why we need to talk openly about vaginas, vulvas and vaginal health without embarrassment or stigma, the difference between vaginal dryness and lack of sexual lubrication and Lindsey talks about how she worked with gynaecologists, menopause experts and women’s health professionals to develop a safe, effective and empowering product

We discussed how Lindsey's work in magazines, including The Female Boss and upcoming Divine You, is amplifying women’s voices and sparking important conversations, amongst much, much more.

This episode is raw, informative, and inspiring and might just change the way you think about self-care, body confidence and the power of saying the word “vagina” without whispering it.

You can contact Lindsey through - (10) Lindsey Stephens | LinkedIn, have a look at V Hydrate - Veda Woman and subscribe to The Female Boss magazine here - The Female boss magazine (@thefemalebossmagazine) • Instagram photos and videos

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Transcript

Alison Allen: So a warm welcome today to Lindsay Stevens, today's guest on Find Your Spark: Real Life Menopause Moments. Lindsay is the publisher of the female boss, magazine and self-proclaimed magazine geek, who's working towards creating her own portfolio of magazines.

Alison Allen: But what we got talking about recently that I find absolutely fascinating is that, Lindsay? You are the founder of Vida, woman.

Alison Allen: and you've got your you've recently launched your 1st product, v. Hydrate serum.

Alison Allen: which is designed to help women with intimate dryness.

Alison Allen: and which is mainly caused by perimenopausal symptom of vaginal dryness. So

Alison Allen: I find you know your story absolutely fascinating, and thank you so much for agreeing to be a guest on my. Podcast but if we take a step back, can you talk us through? Obviously introduce yourself first, st but then talk us through your story of how you've come to be the founder of Dehydrate serum.

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Lindsey Stephens: Yes. Well, firstly, thank you for that lovely introduction. It's nice to be when you hear about yourself. It's a bit weird. Yeah, thank you so much, and thank you for saying the word vagina. More people need to say vagina. So that's where we're going to start. But yeah, I am a magazine. Geek and I spent 25 years, plus in the magazine industry, working from all all different kind of magazines, from cosmopolitan to heat. To more recently the life brands across the country, Lancashire life, etc. And really found my groove working in those magazines.

Lindsey Stephens: I kind of really liked it when I moved into the more kind of localized ones, because when editorial and commercial come together like the magic happens, whereas, as you can imagine, everybody looks at the TV and says, What was it like working at? Cosmopolitan and very different, let me tell you. And it was a long time ago, so it was a bit of a lushy lifestyle back in the day, but realistically, in 2023, I got on paper what I thought was the dream job that I'd always worked towards

Lindsey Stephens: but I was feeling particularly great in myself. If I'm being honest, it's only with hindsight that we can recognize. Why.

Lindsey Stephens: I thought I was having a stressful time. Mum's got dementia

Lindsey Stephens: sadly. My sister was terminally ill, and I had a stressful job, so I just put everything down to having a stressful time, as we do as women, you know. Put it in the kitchen. Never, never look at it again. And that's when I started with the very unspoken about symptom, of vaginal dryness. Now.

Lindsey Stephens: a lot of people, a lot of women don't feel comfortable talking about this. They don't feel, you know. They feel. Oh, something's wrong, you know. I've got an itch, or it's doing whatever down there

Lindsey Stephens: it gets. It gets put to the back.

Lindsey Stephens: and nobody talks about it, but it was relentless, and I thought, God, what? What's going on here? So I must try and do something

Lindsey Stephens: to to relieve, relieve it right. So I started to look about for products, for

Lindsey Stephens: as a woman who never goes to the doctors for herself, or doesn't ever take a paracetamol or anything of that nature.

Lindsey Stephens: I thought I just I'll self medicate, and I'll look, and I'll look around for for doing something. So whilst I was in the throes of producing a couple of magazines. We did a wedding magazine, and as you've just mentioned now, the female boss

Lindsey Stephens: loving life enjoying that as if I wasn't busy enough. Couldn't find a product.

Lindsey Stephens: Lots of things on the market are hormone filled. I didn't want that definitely, not for me, or the you know, suppository or a pessary that you've got to insert. And again, that kind of put me off. Some of them are like tacky gels. Some of them don't know their own identity, and they're a bit of a cross between

Lindsey Stephens: combating that problem and becoming a lube right? And the thing that pains me is

Lindsey Stephens: people people mistaken this product as a as a, as a lube? Right? It's it. That's not what it is.

Lindsey Stephens: And so I thought, I'm getting really frustrated by this because I'm not busy enough decided to give myself something else to do. I thought, Well, if I can't find what I need.

Lindsey Stephens: Let's create my own. And that's where it started.

Alison Allen: How you do.

Lindsey Stephens: Yeah, like, I mean, clearly, that's just exactly what you do. Surely you solve the problem yourself? Right? So

Alison Allen: Sorry talk me through. You know. How. How did you go from having this idea that you know so many of us will have an idea like, Oh, there's not a product on the market, so you know, somebody should create one. But I don't think many of us go through with thinking, oh, there's a gap.

Alison Allen: you know. Let let me create something, you know, such as

your product.

Alison Allen: I wouldn't know what to start.

Lindsey Stephens: Well, I didn't know where to start. Let me just start by saying that, you know. So I kind of found a few things like. I say, some of the things that I tried to thought no, but like living with this uncomfortable situation in your life, you know you kind of get desperate to want to solve your own problem. 1st and foremost, it was about easing my irritation and discomfort.

Lindsey Stephens: So it was, you know. I never thought I wanted to.

Lindsey Stephens: Yeah, I didn't think it would get to the stage. So I started to kind of look at. I'm an ingredients freak as well as magazine geek, right? So the packet of everything.

Lindsey Stephens: My husband's all about avoiding seed, oils and additives and all the rest of it. So I'm constantly looking at ingredients, on, on everything.

Lindsey Stephens: And so I started to look at some of the ingredients, and I won't name the other brands because it's not like I'm here to slag them off. But for me they weren't right. So some of them had sodium chloride in just basically a salt which you know salt dryness don't go together. Some of them, like, I say, were hormone filled, others. Texture wasn't good, and then there was one where the actual product was really nice, did what it said on the tin, the packaging in the bottle just got annoying

Lindsey Stephens: spilling round. And you know it's not easy. So I thought, Okay, but let's start somewhere. What? What's what would I really prefer?

Lindsey Stephens: Ease of use? Bottle all natural ingredients. And the wish list went on. So I obviously got on good old Google and searched around for ideas on how to create your own product? Where can I go? Where could I get it manufactured? Could I have it done in the Uk. Is it going to be one of those China shipped over things like I didn't want that either.

Lindsey Stephens: So I was lucky enough to stumble on a on a manufacturing company that, you know, because a lot of people, just for the record, they will

Lindsey Stephens: white label products, and that's absolutely fine. So they'll buy an off the shelf products and put their own brands in on it. I wanted this to be my creation from start to finish. So I had to go and have it formulated, and that took several months of back and forth. They sent it over. It wasn't the right texture, it was too buttery. It was more of a bomb. And so the journey began, and I learn things that I didn't know I needed to learn. Put it that way. So yeah, it started on Google.

Alison Allen: From the early days on Google. How did you get to to where you've launched your your product?

Lindsey Stephens: Yeah, where are we now? So, as you can see, it's in my hands now, and we've started to sell bottles, which is brilliant. The difficulty we've got now is opening up that conversation, because, you know, like, I say, every woman I speak to, you know you. You start to mention vaginal dryness, and everybody recoils and says, Oh, my, my, yeah, so. And we don't talk about it. So once we got the product right. So this product is in an airless pump bottle up the side. You can see where it's running out, so that's strategically put there so you can see it feels very luxurious blows my mind that women will get out of the shower and moisturize every inch of their body right? Always looking after your skin. Well, this is skin care for down there the only part of our bodies that we don't look after in any way, shape or form, and that has come from years and years and years of of taboo around the vagina. Gonna say again, as many times as I can, I'm going to say, vagina. So yeah. So we've got. We've got the product. And it's been a really slow burn, because it takes a lot of time energy money, you know, or it takes a lot of things. So you know, if there's somebody out there that wants to give me 50 K. To go do a big launch, then I'm happy to take it. But for now it's going to be a slow burn. We've jumped through the hoops of be getting ourselves onto Tiktok shop. We've got a website.

Lindsey Stephens: And we're starting to try to build the awareness slowly, sadly, around it. But this we're trying an event this week. Which is called the vagina dialogues. So we're trying to get women to come along to talk about vaginal health, because that will help me build the awareness of Vida and also help women and educate them around vaginal health. Because I guess what I've found over the 12 months of research that's gone behind. All of this is some women don't know the difference between a vagina and a vulva which blows blows my mind. Because they just don't talk about it. It's not like you. Don't go to your friends for a glass of wine. Right? And say, How's your vagina? Right? It's not a conversation starter but we also are uneducated around the way we should look after it. So I'm in lots of perimenopause menopausal forums, if you like because I'm at that stage of life clearly. And and this is a topic of great interest to me. So I'm in a lot of those groups, and I see lots of women saying, Don't use this. Don't use that. Just use soap and water. Whoa, start with the soap. Watch those Ph levels right? So it's just about trying to educate women about how to look after the vagina, because they look after every bit of skin, but that life bear and given part of the body gets left out.

Alison Allen: So we've talked about what's led you to launch of Vhydrate serum. When we we chatted previously, you were talking about how you'd involved experts in the development of the products. You know, it's not. Just obviously you are the driving force behind this. You are the founder. But just talk me through how you've then reached out to other experts to get their input into it. So you are absolutely confident that this is the right product for anybody who is suffering from vaginal dryness.

Lindsey Stephens: Absolutely without a doubt. And I think you need those people. So 1st of all, research, is there a need for the product? Is there other people suffering from the same symptoms as me. So we had to do a lot of research asking women. And that wasn't easy, right, because women didn't want to come forward and say something wrong with my vagina. Right? So it was the by far the worst symptom I've suffered through perimenopause, I mean goes without saying being a sweaty mess with brain fog isn't nice, either. But this was really really uncomfortable, and I felt a little bit like there was nowhere to go to talk about it. Women were reluctant, so we had to set up an anonymous survey. So we picked

Lindsey Stephens: I picked another expert in this field who does vaginal rejuvenation, who had a bank of women that were already talking about vaginal issues in one way or another, but we allowed them to fill in the questionnaire and survey and feedback without giving their names and email addresses right? So that we couldn't do that so as as much as it would be great to have had, and we have now got some testimonials which I'll move on to. But we had to gather that information, and we asked questions like.

Lindsey Stephens: Have you suffered from vaginal dryness? And again, don't mix this up with not being able to have sex. We'll move on to that. I mean, it's part and parcel, but it it's different at the same time.

Lindsey Stephens: So have you suffered with the dryness around the vulva area. Have you had itching irritation, you know all, all the questions on there? If so did you go to see a Gp?

Lindsey Stephens: No, if not, why not? Yes. Was it. Was it helpful, you know. So we asked a series of questions and we gathered the data. And it was compelling. It was just like, Yeah, yeah, we? We need it. We're also for no one's talking about it. Help me, please. And I thought, right, okay, so now we've got our base the products needed. But I'm not a medic. I'm not a founder, obviously, until now. So all I do is you know, publish magazines. And and so I thought, well, I'm gonna need a more of a medical expert.

Lindsey Stephens: So I reached out to a gynaecologist the lovely Dr. Kieran Lord, who helped me understand exactly why it happens what it happens. I then went on to do a menopause certificate which wasn't for any other reason than to back the knowledge up for the product. So you know, Karen sent some videos on our social. He loves the product and and says that it's kind of a 1 does what it says on the tin. I've obviously tried it, felt it. You know my symptoms are are gone, but I still continue to use it, because I don't want them to come back is the 1st thing. But you know what my vagina’s never felt better. It's getting cared for it, you know. It's and I and I use it on a very regular basis still. And then we send some. You know, we've sent lots of samples to different people, and that's where we've gathered our testimonials from

definitely the best testimony we've had him by far was from a lady who said and, oh, my God! I loved it so much. I just wanted to rub it all over my body, and I was like, wash your hands first.st Right? So so we've had some really good feedback about how it's released. Clearly, we want that sample size to get bigger. And yeah, we're on our journey into trying to get it into the hands of more people. For that reason.

Alison Allen: I find it absolutely fascinating. And you know, when you talk about not many people talk about vaginas and vaginal dryness, do you find? I've certainly found with the work that I do in this space.

Alison Allen: Do you find that there's an probably misunderstanding about what vaginal dryness is.

Lindsey Stephens: 100. So I get really frustrated when I'm in these groups and forums and I'm looking, I want to scream from the rooftops. No. So you know, we had a woman who was in one of the forums, who was saying that she was having difficulties, being intimate with her husband.

Which is slightly different. Right? So your vagina, not producing moisture in order for you to have sex is a slightly different problem to the vulva area, drying out, due to the hormone levels dropping. But people because they're uneducated sadly reach for the water-based Lube on the shelf of boots and think it's going to solve the problem. And it's not so dehydrates got lots of really nourishing ingredients in like mango butter vitamin e, it's it's gonna replenish and repair the skin as opposed to solving a short term problem which is getting intimate at that right moment in time. And if you, you know because I feel so I feel really passionate about it, right in case case that's not coming across. I'm getting really passionate, because what I didn't know then that I know now I feel like that younger generation needs to know now. So if you always look after it so, as your hormones levels drop in pregnancy, you know they they heighten during pregnancy, drop postpartum if you are keeping your vagina and vulva area moisturized with something that's going to nourish the skin, everything will become easier. You know you won't get to this problem in the end. So there's probably not a woman, I mean.

Lindsey Stephens: I'm not the best looking after a skin on the face right? But you know there are women out there that just won't leave the house. Go to bed, go to sleep without the 3, step, cleanse time, moisturize routine, but have probably never thought about moisturizing, so stay away from nasty soaps.

Lindsey Stephens: Stay away from Nylon, you know. Just get those cotton knickers on. Wash with water. Get your serum on jobs are good.

Alison Allen: Well, like, I say, it's absolutely amazing how you've gone from being somebody who's recognized that you're struggling with vaginal dryness to then creating a product and not only helping yourself, but helping many other people. And you reach, as you say, is you're looking to improve that reach. So I imagine the impact that you will be having long term. 

Lindsey Stephens: But I hope so. There's a whole. You know. This brain works overtime, right? Sleeps for losers. It's like it's always thinking. And there's lots of other products that I'd like to add to this range, because.

Lindsey Stephens: you know, there's loads of other symptoms that we can help with. And I know there's a billion products on the market. I understand that completely. And I'm not looking to step on anyone's toes. Yes, there is other solutions for vaginal dryness. None of them suited me. They just weren't for me. So I'm not saying this is the but the only one or the first.st But it's the only one with this formulation, and the only one that I found both.

Lindsey Stephens: You know, application and product all work nicely together. So you know I've got. I've got ideas about what I'd like the Vida woman brand to look like in the future, if I've got the energy, you know, to be able to do that. But because, yeah, you know, deodorant, for example, everyone's the hot and sweaty and I don't use deodorants. It's just it's a bit toxic. I don't really so I'm kind of doing some research into into that at the moment. But yeah, hopefully more people know about it, more people that like it means that be the woman can grow as a brand that will help women with all other symptoms as well as the vaginal dryness.

Alison Allen: So in few years time I'll maybe not even a few years, you know. 12 months, 18 months time. We may be seeing a range of products that are going to help not just menopausal women, women in general.

Lindsey Stephens: Yeah. Women in general, you know, we should be empowered to be able to take care of our bodies, and in the way that we want to. And if you go into some large

Lindsey Stephens: stores and you'll find a plethora of products right that you just spoil for choice or whatever. It's a really tough market back, especially one that people don't want to talk about. So we've got to be able to join forces with other like minded people to be able to kind of get that conversation going, and at our event that we've put our kind of trial event to see if it'll work. We'll touch on menopause, but we'll try to have some fun with it and talk to people about what they call theirs, you know. So everybody's got a different name, or what did your mom used to refer to it as and you know, out of that fun conversation, they're actually what I've learned over the last 12 months of development is, from that conversation has come some really serious points. So young girls who are not referring to their intimate parts in the correct way. Anatomical word using the correct anatomical words is is their finding. Some research has shown that you know they could be, you know, more susceptible to grooming or sexual abuse, because they're not using those correct words. And it's made this taboo kind of all. Cover up your daisy, or whatever it is. You're calling it right, and I've had some corkers by the way, on this journey, some real caucus that I've never heard before. If we get them to use the correct word. It's just the same as hand or head or knee. Right? I'm not suggesting for 1 min that it shouldn't be your private part, because I get I get the I get the piece around that, but we shouldn't be. We shouldn't be afraid to know our own. Let's put it that way.

Alison Allen: Yeah.

Lindsey Stephens: Yeah.

Alison Allen: Yeah, you know, like you say, it raises some extremely important topics of conversation. So if we go back to your being a self-proclaimed magazine geek! And you know you're not only a founder of of dehydrate serum and the ongoing. You know the future. The woman range.

Lindsey Stephens: Hmm.

Alison Allen: But you're also publisher of the Female Boss magazine. So

you've got a great platform there. How are you using your your platform in the magazine industry to.

Lindsey Stephens: To get yeah, to promote Vida and get your brand out there.

Lindsey Stephens: Well, I mean the kind of, the 2 things really were never meant to kind of come together. But you're right, you know. We've got a female audience of very powerful, you know, women who are all female bosses.

Lindsey Stephens: and I you know, registered the Female Boss Magazine domain 2, 3 years ago. Clearly it was in my my mind to to think about that. But now it's coming to fruition, and I have thoroughly enjoyed it, because it's all about positivity. It's all about building up other women. It's all about supporting, and no negativity allowed.com never gonna be, you know. So we fill those pages with brilliant stories of women who are

Lindsey Stephens: 50 million times more exciting than I am, and who fascinate the life out of me. So we do that, and I put the Vida ad in the magazine a few times, but everybody keeps telling me, when are we getting the founder interview? And I'm like, Oh, God, okay, it's brilliant writing about somebody else, brilliant interviewing other people and brilliant at being able to lift them up and propel them into the space they deserve.

Lindsey Stephens: Trying to do it for myself is a little bit different, and if I get told one more time, let's do the face to camera phone.

Lindsey Stephens: It's it's difficult. But at some point I probably need to do the piece on Lindsay Stevens, founder of Vita woman but the spaces for other people before it is for me. That's what it was born but yeah, I do probably need to take advantage of that at some point

Lindsey Stephens: in the near future. Hopefully, we'll see.

Alison Allen: Absolutely. You've got the perfect audience there, haven't you? And then it's not about just the people that you're speaking to. It's about who they know and who they will tell about your not just about Vida women. It's about who they will tell about you, and you know, and the brand and the support, and your story and your product will just grow and grow.

Lindsey Stephens: We are magical species as women. Because we do this pet, we do it well. When a group of women, you know, in in all the aspects of the hats I wear. It's really all about women, because I find it's when the magic happens.

Lindsey Stephens: When women get in the room. We want to support each other. I've got nothing against men, by the way, very happily married to a lovely man. But it really does happen. We help each other out, and I have met some absolutely brilliant women across the course of the last 12 months, with not only with female boss. But with all the conversations I've had around Vida brilliant women, and I see lots of brilliant women in the space launching their own product that I just think hats off, you know to them as well. So they inspire me to kind of keep going, not just

put it all to bed.

Alison Allen: Oh, when.

Lindsey Stephens: Got it.

Alison Allen: In the beginning, when I introduced you, I spoke about your working towards creating your own magazine portfolio.

Alison Allen: Tell us more about that.

Lindsey Stephens: Yes, well, I just I think if you cut me in half, I would bleed magazines for some reason, and it's really weird because my kids are 19 and 21 now

Lindsey Stephens: never picked up magazine in their life. Right? So I love the way they put together

Lindsey Stephens: really pleases me when they look nice and everything fits in. And you know I spent years planning other people's magazines, and now I'm doing it for myself and I've been kind of going slowly with female boss because I really wanted to get it nailed, and I really wanted to get the right kind of women interviewed people who other people wanted to read about. We've kept the subscription cost to subscribe really low ball at 2 pounds a month. Why would you not subscribe to brilliant magazines to divide a cost of coffee? Right?

Lindsey Stephens: So we've kept it so it's available and open to everybody and that's kind of coming along nicely. We, you know, the next issue.

Lindsey Stephens: I'm really excited about our cover star. So part of the strategy for female boss was somebody who features in that issue will always be on the cover, because over the years from cover, exposure has only ever gone to. You know the top celebrities, and I wanted to give some normal women the opportunity to feature on the front cover of a magazine with a title like the female boss. But the next cover star is quite exciting, and I'm yeah a bit giddy about it, so you'll have to wait and see. That's coming out in August. But the I have about 15 other ideas for magazines, but there's only me, right? So I've just got to be careful how much work to take on. But I've joined forces with the lady I mentioned at the beginning of this conversation to who does the vaginal rejuvenation and we both decided that not only we're doing the event together, passionate about vaginal health, but just passionate about women's general health and well-being. And actually, with this magazine, it's not just going to focus on women. It's going to be written for with men and women in mind, and it's called divine. You, so that will come out in September, and that will be all things. Wellness. We've got some brilliant columnists lined up already. We've got a brilliant nutritionist brilliant hypnotherapist. Dr. Kieran. Lord's going to help us out. He's going to be a columnist. And so from a guy, any medical aesthetic perspective, he will do lots of columns to educate and talk about that. So we've lined up all of our columnists, and we are ready to go with the launch in September for that. And then fingers crossed, and, God willing, we'll launch more after that one.

Alison Allen: You're making me tired thinking, listening to this.

Alison Allen: I'm thinking about everything, you know. You’re just

a force to be reckoned with. You know. It's absolutely amazing the work that you've done, you know, obviously not taking anything away from your your background in magazine publishing, etc. But you know the the reason that we got chatting was all about the Vida woman, and, like, I say, going from having a thought of, there's nothing on the market that really suits me to. I know I'll create my own.

Lindsey Stephens: I know you are. It's amazing how people's brains work, isn't it? But yeah, I do think husband's a bit like that as well. You know, there's if there's a problem that needs solving, and there's not a product to to solve the problem why would we not, you know? But let me tell you now it's not for the faint hearted. It's not easy. And but I do encourage people to just give it a go, because you know what right if I get run over tomorrow, at least I can say I tried, you know, be the woman hopefully, will become a brilliant, you know, selling product, and if it doesn't.

Lindsey Stephens: I have no regrets.

Alison Allen: Exactly, you know, like you say you don't want to live with regrets, and you gave it a go and look where you are now, I think it's absolutely amazing. So if any of our listeners would love to get their hands on a bottle of V Hydrate, or you know, even if they they want to follow, follow you your story and also subscribe to magazines. How can they contact you? And how can they make those purchases.

Lindsey Stephens: Okay? Well, the female boss magazine is Instagram at the Female Boss Magazine.

Lindsey Stephens: and the link is in our bio to subscribe to the magazine. It's just 2 pounds a month. So anybody who could support that would be amazing.

Lindsey Stephens: There is also a link to the issue that you can kind of pre read. But you can now add female boss onto your home screen of your mobile phone. So it's like a progressive web app that you can just access any time. Bookmark your pages. Nice and easy, brilliant platform. That's female boss divine. You is at divine, you magazine, so they'll be able to have a look at that. That Instagram has only just started as we've launched our

Lindsey Stephens: columnist so they can have a look at that subscription news on that will follow. That's not set up yet.

Lindsey Stephens: And then Vida woman is@vidawoman.co.uk.

Lindsey Stephens: you can buy online there, or you can go into our tiktok shop if you're that way inclined.

Lindsey Stephens: But yeah, at some point I will try to do the intro to my actual self and see how that goes.

Alison Allen: I think it's amazing. And you know, I'm sure that it's going to just flourish over over time, and you know you could be in some

High Street High Street shops. You know, with your, with your brand hopefully in the future.

Lindsey Stephens: Oh, that fills me with dread. Selling online is is one thing people say to me all the time. Oh, we're going to see you in, said High Street shop, and I'm like, No, is that is a whole new world of supply and demand and products. But but we are talking to a couple of exclusive salons that maybe do vaginal rejuvenation or other stuff that may be stock in those more.

Lindsey Stephens: those smaller but exclusive places. So you might be able to get your hands on it physically, but for now it's just be the woman.co.uk.

Alison Allen: Perfect.

Alison Allen: Thank you so much for taking the time to to come on this podcast. Episode. I'm sure that everybody has loved listening to your story, and hopefully that you'll end up with more followers, more magazine subscriptions, and like, I say, people will be looking forward to getting the hands on Vida, woman and V hydrate. I am sure.

Lindsey Stephens: Thank you so much for having me appreciate it.