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The Universe Keeps Testing Us: Dating Disasters and Dessert Therapy

Heather Gardner and Lacey Joseph Season 3 Episode 7

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Dessert has never tasted so sweet as when you're finally free from competition prep restrictions. In this celebratory episode, Heather and Lacey indulge in a variety of treats while catching up on life, love, and the pursuit of the perfect lemon cake bite.

Fresh off her successful bodybuilding competition, Heather savors her first real meal in months – a teriyaki burger from Hop Jacks (which Lacey stubbornly refuses to call by its new name, "Hops and Drops"). The duo shares laughs over restaurant servers who still remember them from their weekly happy hour sessions years ago.

Between bites of lemon layer cake, strawberry cheesecake, and vanilla pudding cake, they dive into stories about dating disappointments. Lacey coins the term "oppositional defiant disorder with the universe" to describe their shared tendency to ignore obvious red flags in relationships. The mysterious "motorcycle" who has ghosted Lacey three times but keeps reappearing becomes a metaphor for the lessons we refuse to learn.

The conversation weaves through Heather's competition feedback (coming in "slightly leaner" next time), injury-prone pasts (featuring Lacey’s five ankle sprains in six months), and mutual confusion over internet trends like ASMR and mukbang videos. Through it all, the underlying theme remains their enduring friendship – from sharing matching dresses in their "size zero days" to supporting each other through life's challenges.

As they plan for upcoming concerts and Heather's next competition in Florida, it's clear that these moments of connection over dessert represent something much sweeter than cake – the freedom to enjoy life's pleasures and the comfort of a friendship that has weathered years of change.

Take a moment to enjoy something sweet today, and remember that sometimes the best therapy comes with frosting. Subscribe for more conversations that feel like catching up with your best friends!

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to. We are not the same and today we have a special episode, every episode is special. Oh, it's extra special today.

Speaker 2:

It's extra special because Heather gets to eat dessert. So you guys are gonna come and have some dessert with us. She's actively eating cake right now.

Speaker 1:

Good.

Speaker 2:

I'm glad she finally gets to eat normal well for a minute.

Speaker 1:

Yes, normal ish. We had a. We had a regular meal together yes, tracked meal I had a burger I haven't had one of those in a long time I know I was very proud of you. It was so good and now we're enjoying a variety of some desserts, some bites, yeah, because we went to f to Fred Meyer and picked out multiple options, like we can't just choose one. See, I like to have options and take bites, yeah, of all the things.

Speaker 2:

Well, and we were going to. Sometimes we go to places and we do that. We'll just get appetizers, yes, and then we'll share, but because she hasn't got to have like a real regular meal in weeks, months, months. At this point it's been a while. Yeah, we're like no, we're going to get you exactly what you wanted. You wanted a burger.

Speaker 1:

I guess I have had like a few meals, but nothing like not a burger. I feel like post-show meals have always been. I always have these grand plans to have these big meals and they never work out because, like I never feel hungry at the end of show day and all the adrenaline and everything.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 1:

I can have breakfast the next day, but usually I'm doing something and I'm busy, so time constraints. So this was like I got to actually sit and have, and it was a teriyaki burger from hops. It's always going to be hop jacks.

Speaker 2:

I know I refuse. I refuse teriyaki burger from hops. It's always going to be hop jacks. I know, I refuse, I refuse. I don't know why it bothers me. I mean, I do my brain, but it bothers me. I do not want to call it hops and drops I it will be hop jacks till the day I die I always call it hops.

Speaker 2:

We've had so many memories there, Like we used to go there literally every single Monday Because I had Mondays off and happy hours started at 2. And we didn't have to get the boys until 3. And we enjoyed ourselves and we took advantage of happy hours.

Speaker 1:

We got 45 minutes, let's make this count.

Speaker 2:

Right Every week, Like everybody knew us and we knew everybody.

Speaker 1:

Everybody continues to know us.

Speaker 2:

Apparently oh my God, you guys, it was so funny. So we're sitting there just eating dinner, just having a conversation. She's showing me photos from her show, all good things, and the waiter's all like, do you want a refill, heather? And we both like up, look up at him, and then I look at her and he and she's like sure. And he walks away and I'm like, did he just call you by name?

Speaker 2:

like yeah, I think so yeah and I'm like do you like know him? Because we did not say our names and she's like, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1:

I'm like, isn't he the bartender server? Because we always sit in the bar section. It's easier, quicker. I'm like, isn't that the same one that when we used to come here, he was there and I only remember the one, the one guy I mean.

Speaker 2:

I know we dealt with lots of people yeah, I only specifically remember the one guy.

Speaker 1:

He was definitely the same because he'd been there. He was a. He switched out from our original OGs.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, because when they switched it and I didn't go there for a while because I'd moved to Idaho, and I come back and they have the audacity to ask me if I'd ever been in before and I'm like you're the one that's fucking new, not me. Who the hell do you think you are? Granted, we have not been in there in so long, I know because we're sober now, so we don't go there nearly as often no, and I don't like food from there you don't eat food. You could have stopped your sentence.

Speaker 1:

No, I eat food, just food I prepare. I eat a lot of food.

Speaker 2:

It's just no, you do. Actually, every time we hang out, you're eating Always, always, every two hours. Yeah, it's just what it is.

Speaker 1:

It's just what it is and the amount that it is.

Speaker 2:

But every once in a while you get a burger and you get a little treat. And so I saved that. So we have three options. Today we have strawberry cheesecake.

Speaker 1:

Which is frozen, so we can't really try it yet.

Speaker 2:

So we're just staring at it. That's fine. We had two small bites. We had to use a knife, um, and the knife that she grabbed was a cheese knife.

Speaker 1:

I thought it was gonna be soft. I assumed I forgot we pulled it out of the freezer part of yeah, so that's gonna be like an hour or so.

Speaker 2:

I didn't need well, I thought it was just like you take it, that was the only spot they had cheesecake. Yeah, then they have ice cream cake in there. Oh yeah, then that makes sense then, but like why are you being rude with the cheesecake?

Speaker 1:

why does it have to be? I feel like if we would have thought that now, maybe if we wouldn't have gardened before, we would have realized that's where it came from. I was just like oh, cheesecake?

Speaker 2:

I don't think so okay.

Speaker 1:

So you're giving us way too much credit no, we would have still done the same thing, we would have done the same thing.

Speaker 2:

Let's be real the clear winner is the lemon layer cake, and we got a lemon layer cake, which, thankfully, we both really love lemon, because, let me tell you, it is super duper lemony. I love lemon it's very good, but if you did not like lemon, this would be your worst nightmare. But it's delicious.

Speaker 1:

I enjoy it tiny ankles hated lemon, so I didn't have lemon for a long time why would that affect you having? Because I would never eat like a full-on dessert by myself. Oh, you know what I mean. Got him like whenever.

Speaker 2:

No, I would. Yes, I don't have to be hungry to eat.

Speaker 1:

I pick you up from ketamine with a big slice of cake. Yes, you did yes I'm like this is what I think you want I love cake.

Speaker 2:

I am obsessed with cake. This, the lemon cake with raspberry filling, is by far my favorite, followed closely by pink champagne. But I don't know if I'm allowed to have that anymore it cooks out.

Speaker 1:

I know um, so there's so many wedding cake no, no, we're not getting married, it just benefits everybody she's just going to show up with a big cake and a fucking pastor.

Speaker 2:

I know, down girl, I'm going to trick you into it. No, that's not fair. I'm easily manipulated.

Speaker 1:

So am I. Apparently it's a blind leading the blind over here.

Speaker 2:

Real, the cake is very good and then she got a big ass donut when she she swears it's vanilla pudding cake, but let me tell you it just looks like a big if you take a little piece of that and then cut the lemon taste down, it's really good.

Speaker 1:

It does help cut the lemon a little bit. Makes take a little piece of that and then cut the lemon taste down, it's really good.

Speaker 2:

It does help cut the lemon a little bit, makes it a little sweeter so you are correct we learned that we don't even eat cake the same way, because apparently heather would eat cake in two bites.

Speaker 1:

She would eat like the top part and then the bottom, like I took one. Yeah, so I'd take like a slice down and I would just eat it in two bites, because I usually do leave food on my fork or my food that's weird On my utensils. I take like two bites out of it. Maybe it's a prep thing I make my food try to last longer. But then I decided to take a smaller version.

Speaker 2:

A lazy way Take a smaller bite but go all the way down and it better. It really does. We have some asmr.

Speaker 1:

I was gonna say this definitely yes, yes. So the sounds of uh, if you if you love the sounds of that. See, that was too big. You have to do it in two. If you like the sounds of eating, you're gonna love this episode. If you don't turn it off now, this is your warning because you can get all the flavors in one bite I know it went too big.

Speaker 2:

Yep it like kind of broke off then your ratios are off, because then you'll have one bite that's way more lemony than the other bite. But we're cutting the lemon anyways with the donut, yes.

Speaker 1:

Um well, don't you have a lemon story?

Speaker 2:

I feel like have a lemon story.

Speaker 1:

I feel like the person, or the fruit, I mean. I'm like literally staring at you. Why are you looking at?

Speaker 2:

me like that. I swear to god, we were just talking about lemon in the car okay, nicknames come in handy sometimes, but sometimes they can get confusing we're literally eating the lemon cake in this.

Speaker 1:

That's how my brain works.

Speaker 2:

Lemon, lemon.

Speaker 1:

Didn't we have a lemon story?

Speaker 2:

No motorcycle, oh, but lemon also Because the freaking universe is mean to me and is like bitch. I know that you haven't really learned your lesson.

Speaker 1:

The lemon was being disappointed by dating. That's what we were talking about. Oh, about how I go.

Speaker 2:

Like universe, I am ready, I'm ready, I'm gonna put myself out there, you got a lemon and you're like I'm done, I'm done, you're like I'm to be fair, I only try once a year. So you got really I? No, that's not true. I do too, because last year it was the old man and the dinosaur and then this year it was the catfish and lemon. So I always I try to and then I don't try again for an entire year. So I'm covered until next, like March to june, I have.

Speaker 1:

I feel like we need to open up applications if you are interested in dating lacy?

Speaker 2:

no, I'm good. Can I do a pitch on you?

Speaker 1:

no, I'm good, um I'm a lot, um, but actually I mean how it has been. You were talking about how it's been helping yeah, I feel way better actually.

Speaker 2:

So that's awesome, because it was not after the first two appointments. I was like I'm just getting high. Nothing was really happening, um, but it was funny because we we said that we were going to record an episode um of you picking me up.

Speaker 1:

It was too much.

Speaker 2:

I had to work, you guys, I had to go. I had to do an episode of you picking me up. It was too much, but I had to work, you guys, I had to go. I had to do ketamine and then go back to my job that's so wild. So we couldn't record an episode.

Speaker 1:

I'm like here's some food. Good luck, I hope it works out for you I know and I'm one-on-one with my boss. I am such a good friend, I was like really deep in prep and I got you like fast food that smelled delicious. You did Pawponion. Dairy Queen was what your request was and Dairy Queen.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, dean got me Pawponion. I just knew I had food every time I had to.

Speaker 1:

Yes, oh, and then cake. And I brought you cake. Oh, that cake scared me down. But now I'm eating cake, big ass carrot cake slice.

Speaker 2:

It was huge. Oh, it looks so good. I love baked goods.

Speaker 1:

They are so good. I mean, I used to be into cookies, but this cake is great.

Speaker 2:

I thought you were talking about motorcycle in association with lemon, because motorcycle showed up at the same time as lemon and my life got confusing for a minute. Showed up at the same time as Lemon and my life got confusing for a minute and then, like I don't remember how much we ever talked about motorcycle, but this dude has ghosted me three times, three fucking times, and he always fucking pops back up.

Speaker 1:

They all do.

Speaker 2:

I know I've never had somebody that I've broken up with not reach out. That's because you're not the problem I know it's so fucking frustrating somebody that I've broken up with not reach out. That's because you're not the problem. I know it's so fucking frustrating, but I feel like the universe keeps throwing motorcycle at me over and over and over again that like okay, that I just keep failing, so I have to keep doing it.

Speaker 1:

She's really close to losing this one with the universe because I had to remind her. But we have a good we did. You went okay. We had a good setup because last time no, I encouraged, I said last time I said, okay, try it out, see what happens, because you don't know, you're in a spot of maybe it'll work out. This could be. I was like, let's see what you feel like. What, what is the vibe like? What do you feel like? So decided vibe wasn't really that great.

Speaker 2:

We okay background like so he goes to me three times. The last time he goes to me, I'm seen or spoken to him in three years. You're being haunted and being haunted because he keeps popping up. He keeps fucking popping up. He didn't pop up for three whole years and then now he won't like buy the cake everything, everything.

Speaker 2:

So he texts me. He added me on linkedin and messaged me that way. He added me on snapchat, like this boy is obsessed with me but he won't date me and it's so fucking confusing. But now, now I'm like Do you think it's a him problem?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Of course it's a him problem. No, I mean like Well, obviously. No, I mean like is it a him problem? Do you know? Has he been in relationships previously?

Speaker 2:

He was married for a long time. I don't know how long. It's a long time. I feel like it was a long long time.

Speaker 1:

Would they long time? I feel like it's a long long time. Would they spend a lot of time together?

Speaker 2:

is he somebody that likes it, because this could be a person that can't commit the. I think the issue is distance. But you love the distance, yes, but he doesn't. I do love the distance.

Speaker 1:

I don't want to spend every day so if you do not live within the four hour radius, please send me an application.

Speaker 2:

It increases your odds yes, you'll last longer that's so funny, god damn it I cackle on this fucking podcast because it's true, it's so funny, I cackle and wheeze. You make me laugh so hard.

Speaker 1:

I know always what were we laughing about earlier? And we were like stop talking.

Speaker 2:

I know we get together and we have to stop talking about it. I know because shit just starts coming out we laugh so hard when it's just the two of us because we but it's like, what are we supposed to do?

Speaker 1:

never have a conversation I know we tried that, and then life gets real sad what were we talking about?

Speaker 2:

god, your memory is also garbage.

Speaker 1:

It's not just me I think we were talking about motorcycle and how, like you just keep getting the universe I think it was that you could have been because I was like, because I kept reiterating you don't want to waste your time and go down that road because you already did and you got no benefit.

Speaker 2:

And at this point in time, it is a way you know in the because okay, I was talking about being self-aware, because I'm like I.

Speaker 1:

I know it's a bad choice, I know it's the wrong choice, and yet and yet, and yet I can't really talk because I feel like the yo-yo situation was very much. Yeah, you're like, yeah, yeah, I just made that connection, as you did too. You're like, yeah, bitch yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yes, I know, I don't know what it is either. I'm not sure what it is, but anytime I get around this fella like I just like feel smitten and it's dumb, but the last time you didn't.

Speaker 2:

No, last time I didn't. Last time I felt weird Because again, we hadn't seen each other in three years. And he starts messaging me and my idiot ass fucking talks to him because of course I do, and so he's in town and I end up hanging out with him because I have no self-control. And then he invited me over, and here's how much the universe was trying to get me to not go right.

Speaker 2:

He invites me to his hotel room and I'm like okay even though I know, even though I fucking know, and I said, maybe, maybe you need to try it, and I got stopped by two trains on the way there.

Speaker 1:

Then I and you still went listen I get there, but guess what?

Speaker 2:

you were disappointed. I get there and he can't check into his room because the, the credit card company, called the hotel and said that it was fraud is it his wife, maybe? No, he, they've been divorced for is it a girlfriend? That's like no, it was his company card. He was here on a business trip, that's even more funny, because that shit doesn't happen, no, no, except except to me, remember, because electronics do not work around me for some weird fucking reason.

Speaker 1:

You're like magnetic in a weird way. I know I fuck with things. Are you like radioactive? Radioactive? I feel like that's more fitting than magnetic. I feel like that's more fitting than magnetic. I feel like that's more fitting than magnetic. I feel like that is the opposite of magnetic. I feel like you would hate that if you were magnetic. Oh god, I would you. Can we talk about what is the?

Speaker 2:

opposite of magnetic. What is the opposite? Hold on, I'm gonna google it. I feel like this is this is not a dig.

Speaker 1:

This is just you as a person, daria. This is all that. It is the answer to this now chad gbt knows everything. Hold on, I gotta open it oh, that's so funny right now I would hate it.

Speaker 2:

I don't like being the center of attention but per our uh astrological episode, I I got to work on that. You're all quiet. It's weird.

Speaker 1:

Because it was going forever. My service up here, I don't know, there's too many devices. My kids and other things, um, um, non-magnetic. That's really all you come up with unattractive repellent.

Speaker 2:

That was, I know I'm like really all that, pause for that anti-magnetic. I repel people, that's fair repellent.

Speaker 1:

I was too big of a bite. Hold on, I gotta or you could do how I do it and try that half and half no, because you're not.

Speaker 2:

you're not tasting it the way it was meant to be eaten. Oh my God, I just dropped cake in my bed.

Speaker 1:

That's going to be weird later.

Speaker 2:

You hate crumbs too. I so do. That's why I'm like that's going to be real weird, later Hold on, it's right here.

Speaker 1:

Because there was one down there too. I'm just making a mess, but the cake was worth it. I'm savoring this. You guys are enjoying something with me that I am doing another show. We can talk about that really quick. So show was great. I was in a great lineup. I improved from last show. We filled out great. You looked better. Feedback this time was to come in slightly leaner, which I we were, you know, just going and trying if look.

Speaker 2:

So just slightly leaner and working, you can eat that one now.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I will, and work on some core control during some transitions, cause you know, that just happens.

Speaker 2:

I anyways Dude, abs are hard yeah.

Speaker 1:

Abs are the hardest part, so, and they come in more with diet too.

Speaker 2:

So we're just going to get a little leaner and do that.

Speaker 1:

I think it's just a peaking thing. I think that will just come in leaner and then fill out more over time, but it was really good. This was what we wanted to do and it looked really good. The look was the best one yet today. Yeah, I agree so, and it's fine tuning. It was nothing about growing, nothing about shape, which is the best it can be, and I got to share the moment with Natasha it was great being up there with her and spending the weekend and Kimmy, which she's going to be on the podcast and sharing some of her story. We were talking on the way back from Seattle, so can't wait for that. She has so many stories You're going to be like. You're going to be so ready.

Speaker 2:

I love, love, love, love stories.

Speaker 1:

I love it when other people tell me stories. I love it when I tell stories. I love commenting on other people's stories. She is like obnoxious, but I know it sweetest soul and has some stories, so we're gonna have her on anyways. Yeah, so you're gonna enjoy with me, but great show um everybody got food poisoning oh my gosh, except heather, yeah, I did not.

Speaker 1:

Um, your good luck prevailed. Uh, yeah, I was gonna get a steak at this like steakhouse. It was like a, I think, a mexican inspired steakhouse. I don't know something like that. I don't remember where it's, in tacoma, um, I don't remember the name of it. We all looked so cute, so we were it was like that's part of the story. It was it was. We looked so cute. I don't get dressed up that often. I was very tall. I brought out the steve madden platform heels, I don't know how the fuck you walk in.

Speaker 1:

Those they were. They're actually pretty easy because the platform makes them a little easier. Um, they make me a giant and I kind of like it. But yeah, everyone who had steak like puked, so we were doing a photo shoot the next day. Natasha got sick but then she felt better. Ish I, I don't know, but not like the puking. It hit others later on. Well, it can take anywhere from up to 48 hours, I think, to hit you. So me getting the steak taco saved me, because it was a different steak.

Speaker 2:

Cut of me yeah.

Speaker 1:

Well, theirs was like the actual steak steaks.

Speaker 2:

And how much did they pay?

Speaker 1:

Well, they were ranging from like $ to 247, depending, so they were like supposed to be really good steaks this is the point you get food poison. I got food poisoning from hell's kitchen though in lake tahoe. What? Yeah, like a 500 dinner that I violently threw up at like two o'clock in the morning and I thought I was gonna die.

Speaker 2:

That's so sad.

Speaker 1:

We had the best experience at hell's kitchen in vegas so vegas yeah, you know, lake tahoe is probably a little more sketch, it was sketch there they have when we were there.

Speaker 2:

I do think I make better scallops than they did they were, it was.

Speaker 1:

I think it's just hell's kitchen, right, it's just the hype.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, but their beef wellington is fucking delicious. That's what I had in a sticky toffee, you know it was really good it was really good.

Speaker 1:

It was really great. It was not so great coming back Probably hours later violently. That sucks. So that's my food poisoning story.

Speaker 2:

I don't think I've ever had food poisoning.

Speaker 1:

So somebody does people dirty in the kitchens.

Speaker 2:

I mean, my body just rejects food. Well enough on its own. I don't know if I would be able to tell a difference if I had food poisoning.

Speaker 1:

It doesn't stay in your body long enough to get food poisoning.

Speaker 2:

I'm like how am I gaining weight when my food does not stay?

Speaker 1:

Can I explain what's sitting in front of us and you love?

Speaker 2:

I know the baked guts, but you actually aren't gaining weight. No, I'm consistently in the same.

Speaker 1:

You're always.

Speaker 2:

You're like a small person. I want to lose seven pounds. That's just because I want to like and you lose that seven pounds. And then you're like I'm good, yeah, I fluctuate in a range of 10 pounds, but I think that's relatively normal yeah, water weight and things like that you know, not crazy fitness people my weight can fluctuate by five pounds every day, depending yeah, do you weigh yourself?

Speaker 1:

in the morning or at night. I mean it doesn't like on prep, but like you know, like it can because of water, like sure, after I don't know, like after show, I dropped weight, but then like eating things and carbs, adding stuff in, and then just being dehydrated and then adding water and you just kind of spike.

Speaker 2:

So like three I don't say five pounds, but like two to three pounds.

Speaker 1:

Are you or like muscles filling?

Speaker 2:

out, are you at your top when you perform.

Speaker 1:

What do you mean?

Speaker 2:

Are you at the top of the five that you fluctuate?

Speaker 1:

Oh, that's kind of just a look. No, I mean weight, oh that's kind of just a look um. No, I mean when you get on stage yet you're gonna be full. But I don't think the weight really matters, because it's all way you or anything. No, that's good and it's all about a look. Men get weighed because they have to like hit white requirements for like bodybuilding and stuff um.

Speaker 2:

Is there division based off weight? Yes, oh, okay, like men's body building more like boxing because it's like heavyweight, lightweight, things like that. So they have to.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair because I think, if you're comparing, but women once you're in the pro level, I even go up against shorties, like there's not even like a height difference. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

So an NPC level, yeah, there was a photo of you next to this one girl. She looks not that tall I am.

Speaker 1:

You're not that tall, you're five, seven no, five, five and a quarter no way. Yes, I get measured. Yes, I do. Yes, I thought I was five, six, and then my last npc shows all of them I was five, five and a quarter, all of them I thought I was five.

Speaker 2:

Five for a lot of my life like five, three I am five four, I go to the doctor. I go to the doctor. A I go to the doctor. I'll fucking lodge With shoes or without shoes.

Speaker 1:

Without I know mainly because of when I had to get measured for my crutches. That's the most lazy thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 2:

I'm so fucking excited, I just bought them.

Speaker 1:

I bought the boot. I want to tell a little story. I bought the crutches. About the time me and Lacey didn't talk to each other. And then I roll up to the comedy club and I look over and I see an r2d2 purse and a boot and I'm like, oh, that's fucking lacy exactly, that's exactly the thought that went through my head I go huh, some things never change her in a boot, yeah I remember that you haven't been in a boot and you walked by me so quickly in that boot I'm like wow, she gets around quick in that boot I definitely have got my money's worth.

Speaker 1:

Let's just put it that way oh my gosh, that's the most accident prone thing.

Speaker 2:

That one summer. That summer, that summer that you saw me I sprained my ankle five times in six months.

Speaker 1:

Now that I'm back in your life. You haven't sprained your ankle I haven't sprayed my ankle in quite a while I'm doing good.

Speaker 2:

I'm doing very good. I'm also much more cautious. I quit softball. Yeah, that was a bad choice, especially when you didn't wear like a helmet my, I know that bothered you so bad your face. I was a catcher and I didn't wear it's softball. It's underhanded softball. It's fine, it was fine you playing sports in general.

Speaker 1:

I was like I do volleyball now, but supportive, it's fun I want to do, I do hurt myself.

Speaker 1:

I scratched my knee open on thursday I wanted to join you, but I don't want to do that because I'd die for it. I'm hardcore, I'll bring some like volleyball pad. Why don't you bring the proper equipment? They have equipment for this. Because it's me, I know it's fine. Like I'm like you're testing that. You're testing the universe. You're like, yeah, you want to see this like fuck off. Yeah, you are. You're like I'm like you're testing that. You're testing the universe. You're like, yeah, you want to see this like fuck off. Yeah, you are. You're like I'm not gonna listen to you. You're kinsley no universe rude.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you have oppositional, defiant disorder with the universe I self diagnosed with that one, that's so funny I'm like it's not really what it is.

Speaker 2:

I actually want to know what oppositional defiant disorder actually is, because I it's so funny, I'm like it's not really what it is.

Speaker 1:

I'm like almost in tears. That's fucking hilarious. I actually want to know what oppositional defiant disorder actually is, because I joke around about it, but I should probably I don't mean to purposely defy the universe.

Speaker 2:

I just am making sure the universe is really sure Because I don't know, maybe, maybe they're undecisive about the things I should not do, even though all signs are pretty fucking clear. I cannot help it.

Speaker 1:

I figure it out eventually oh my god, why is this? Kinsley to a T but anyways um no, this is not you, but this is her.

Speaker 2:

Oh my God, why is this? Kinsley to a T, but anyways, no, this is not you but this is her, see.

Speaker 1:

Huh Well, I don't know, it could be you, but it's more like talking about kids. Wait pattern of angry, irritable moods, argumentative or defiant behaviors, vindictiveness towards authority figures. We could just make this about what you just did. Fuck yours. We could just make this about what you just did fuck off to the universe.

Speaker 2:

Instead of a child, like it, just put lacy. And instead of like authority, put universe and it fits. I'm trying, I'm getting better oh, that's so funny uh I really am trying to listen.

Speaker 1:

I'm trying and we talked through it and processed it and we tried, and so you didn't give it a try. You tried motorcycle, decided it wasn't a fun ride.

Speaker 2:

So, oh my God, that was so funny, at least I got paid for it Sounds like you're admitting to something on here.

Speaker 1:

Don't, don't. That's not how it seems. That's not what happened, but it's funny In the wrong context. Yes In the wrong context. But no, let them, it's fine. I'm just saying she didn't commit any illegal activities.

Speaker 2:

No, I didn't get paid for that, but I did get paid. That's all you're going to know, some things are better just for us like the cake you've eaten a lot of that cake. I'm very proud of you, I'm impressed. No, I'm not shaming you, I'm telling you I'm impressed. I'm like it's so good because you also ate that whole burger.

Speaker 1:

Oh my god yes, I'm a food baby right now.

Speaker 2:

Fuck you your stomach is still smaller. I definitely.

Speaker 1:

I slept in today and I had only one you'd be so proud. I am impressed. I didn't get home until really late last night from the show not until like 11 and so I stayed up with Lily we're watching the circle right now and so we stayed up to like two watching episodes and talking.

Speaker 2:

Every fucking time I come to your house you are watching the weirdest fucking shit. So we both love reality TV, but we love very, very different reality TV shows. I love competition shows, all the cooking shows. I love like Forged in Fire. Bbc has some of the best shows. They have like Portrait Artist of the Year. They have Pottery, they have Blown Glass. I love all of that.

Speaker 1:

I watch every single. She likes the BBC channel.

Speaker 2:

I do. I love British humor and they're just polite in their competition shows. America is all about drama. Fuck that. I'm watching one from Australia right now because there's like 40 episodes. You know who you remind me of.

Speaker 1:

Oh no, Not in a bad way.

Speaker 2:

Your humor.

Speaker 1:

Your humor is so funny. You recommended me the show Hacks. Yes.

Speaker 2:

It's such a good show, isn't it Such a good?

Speaker 1:

show and I laughed so hard. It got me through so much cardio.

Speaker 2:

Good, I love it.

Speaker 1:

It's a great show and she was writing for a show.

Speaker 2:

It's so funny. She's hilarious. Ava is so funny.

Speaker 1:

I died she just put out her first comedy special on.

Speaker 2:

Max, it's not what you would expect.

Speaker 1:

It's funny.

Speaker 2:

It's just very kind of out there.

Speaker 1:

Is she like out there? Is it like that or not like that? Is she like her character or no? She's almost like a more extreme version I like that though.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it wasn't what I was expecting. Deegan kept being like what are you watching? And I was like stand-up comedy. He's like are you sure?

Speaker 1:

I don't know if that's really what it is, Okay this is really good too, the cheesecake.

Speaker 2:

Now that it's not rock hard, you can actually eat it. I mean, we still eat it, but we can actually try it. It's important. Yeah, all right Is the lemon still your favorite.

Speaker 1:

I don't know. It's hard to decide now, because the strawberry and the cheesecake Shout out to Trish, who made me cheesecake though, and she's ruined me for cheesecake forever. Last show in Miami she made cheesecake for everyone, and I'm not a cheesecake person. Really what I love cheesecake. Well, I had cheesecake after the Tangy last year and at the Cheesecake Factory. I had a couple bites of it and it made me so violently ill so I never had any more after that.

Speaker 2:

Why does food make you sick all the time?

Speaker 1:

Probably because if you don't have it for a long time and then you eat it.

Speaker 2:

Sorry, I keep talking with my mouth full.

Speaker 1:

I'm being so rude. People like that.

Speaker 2:

ASMR is totally a thing, dude, I don't get it. I don't get it.

Speaker 1:

Where they talk really softly on the microphone. I don't like it, and they eat stuff, or they yes.

Speaker 2:

People like it.

Speaker 2:

people like people like it not autistic people, not autistic people I mean I can't speak for everybody, but I feel like the majority would not, because we have a thing with sounds. Sounds drive me crazy, like I like. Okay, I have to have background noise, but it has to be specific background noise, like it can't just be any back. Like I have my emotional support TV shows on. I'm watching a cooking competition that is 13 seasons and 40 episodes per season, just because it will take me a long time to watch it and it's on in the background and I don't really have to pay attention to it and it's the best and it allows me to work while I'm also on my phone, because I need to multitask or else my brain will explode. But if there is a noise in the background that I don't enjoy, I can't do anything, I can't work, I can't eat, I can't like. All I can focus on is that noise and how to make it fucking stop.

Speaker 2:

I got woken up the other day at three 30 in the morning. Still have no idea how this happened. Our pressure washer turned itself on. Like I just wake up to this fucking crazy ass noise and I don't know what it is and I'm like it's fucking three 30. I can't even figure out what it is. I hear it's outside and I'm like I don't know if that's my house or the neighbor's house, it's a high school or whatever. So I just closed my window and go back to bed. Somebody turned it on. Well, somebody had to have. So I was thinking about it. I have that ladder that's over the fall, over the fence.

Speaker 1:

No, somebody could have very easily climbed into the backyard they like went to go take it and they scared them I don't know.

Speaker 2:

That freaked me out, though, so I finally I got up for work at 5 45, so I'd been going off for like two hours, and I was like I cannot log in until I figure out what the sound is and then I went out back and it was the fucking. Yeah, I was just like what the fuck? But that the football camp is every single morning in the football field behind my house and it drives me insane.

Speaker 1:

I remember that I stayed the night at your house in front of Mike the Whistles.

Speaker 2:

All day, all day, because they have different age groups. So football is. I love football, listen, love it You're like, but all day. I don't like football camp. It fucking sucks, because they don't even do it by or on the football field because they don't want to damage the football field, so they do it literally in the grass directly in front of my fence and then my dogs go fucking crazy all day. We just had to put up a privacy shield to see if it helps at all, because my dogs are fucking Imagine six dogs just running and helps at all, because my dogs are fucking imagine six dogs just running and barking at all these football players.

Speaker 1:

What are you doing?

Speaker 2:

you're in our yard too much, it's too much. So, yeah, I don't get as asmr those. Those are one of the annoying sounds to me yeah, I don't like the asmr. Yeah no, I literally turn off videos. If they start to do those things, I'm like nope, I've lost interest.

Speaker 1:

I don't care what else you were talking about, I know it was like I sometimes will get sucked into watching them, like the girl that has like everything's really pink and she eats things that are like not really or you don't know if they're real or not, and then she starts eating them and it's like really weird I will find it.

Speaker 2:

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I've heard about like I think it's called what is it?

Speaker 1:

muck bang yes, where they eat all the food. Oh, is that dude?

Speaker 2:

why can't I make money doing that? You can't? The giant seafood I want to eat giant she wants to muck bang, but you don't like asmr I can't help you I, when you just say she wants to mukbang, that doesn't say. If you don't know what that means, that sounds really bad okay, she wants someone help her out but I would fucking eat a giant lobster on video.

Speaker 1:

You know what you did you know or not, you know what you do. You just don't wear headphones and do it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I just don't want to hear it.

Speaker 1:

I don't care if other people hear it, I'll do the production part.

Speaker 2:

You know me, it's not like I'm going to watch it anyway.

Speaker 1:

I would get weird satisfaction out of watching you eat all that. Let's do it, because I won't be able to. This is the only time I'm eating.

Speaker 1:

You do watch me eat when you're in prep and I ask you questions and you ask me questions and you're very descriptive about it and I love it Because I'll feed my kids and ask them. I'm like I'll give them like a really good piece of cake or really good cupcake or make them you know something like or take them somewhere to get it. She can say whatever they want want and they'll be like oh, it tastes like cake or chicken sandwich or donut and I'm like no, I'm very descriptive.

Speaker 2:

I'm like it's moist and you can taste the vanilla yes, you watch so many cooking shows. I love it okay I always think that it would be really fun to judge a cooking show, except for the fact that then, I remember, I would be forced to eat things that I don't like and I wouldn't be able to judge somebody fairly because I'd be like no, have you seen the show? You spin off I watched it with Lily.

Speaker 1:

It was like the snack one, where they do the snacks. They had to recreate the snacks. Yes, it's on Netflix. Yeah, the vending machine thing yes, that one was really fun. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

If there's a cooking show, I probably watched it. I literally am.

Speaker 1:

I watch cooking shows from other countries now because I've seen all of the american ones because I work from home, right here oh, I wasn't expecting her to look like that hold on ads because I don't pay for a premium anymore.

Speaker 2:

You should be proud of me for that.

Speaker 1:

I am proud of you for that, because I'm like okay, I can suffer through a couple commercials for 20 bucks a month all of my shit has commercials.

Speaker 2:

I'm like every single one of my services because I'm like three dollars at the. What the fuck is she doing? Those are like straw glasses. Does she not say any words?

Speaker 1:

no, what well, oh my gosh, does she not say any words?

Speaker 2:

No, what? Oh my gosh Well.

Speaker 1:

Oh my gosh Sick. No, here there's this one. Oh, there it is. The thing you hate.

Speaker 2:

The fucking nail thing.

Speaker 1:

I don't get it. See, it's all, just I don't get it see it's all just.

Speaker 2:

I don't, yeah, I'll never get it.

Speaker 1:

I'll get it to a point where it's like I don't know if the people can hear that.

Speaker 2:

Oh, they can hear it now. See this, and she literally just sits there and eats anything that's big. Yeah, oh, I can hear it now. See this, and she literally just sits there and eats anything that's pink.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, or all different things, but yeah, now she only does pink stuff, but she used to do yeah.

Speaker 2:

That's so weird, and she has millions of views. Shut up? No way, yeah, look 1.3 million.

Speaker 1:

that's crazy to me. All she's doing is eating food that's pink and doing it loud. Yeah, 4.5 million. Yeah, the craziest thing is 5.1 million. Yeah, pink and purple food.

Speaker 2:

I think this proves that everything is a spectrum look at at, she's eating a brush.

Speaker 1:

Yes, but it's not a brush, it's like food.

Speaker 2:

No, that proves that everything's on a spectrum right, because there are people who like to listen to other people eat, and then there are people who will literally murder someone if they can hear them when they eat.

Speaker 1:

Isn't that weird? Which is why I put a disclaimer in the beginning. Listen at your own risk.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, because you're like, you're going to hear us chew God now. I can't unhear it.

Speaker 1:

Isn't that weird, though, like the elaborate things that she eats and does, I don't give it.

Speaker 2:

Someone explain it to me, but I'll do it if someone wants to pay for that, I will do it.

Speaker 1:

I need money that's like an offshoot of the fetish of the people the foodies that feed the people. So they're morbidly oh, the feeders. Feeders, not a foodie. The feeders. I don't want that job where they feed them, that's what it is.

Speaker 2:

I saw on a show no, some weird documentary and I couldn't look away I'm about to admit something that makes me a bad person, but I'm aware of it so and I have improved slightly. I used to work for the yMCA, but I also as part of that, so I had two jobs with the YMCA I would do the drop in daycare and I would do an afterschool program.

Speaker 1:

I don't see you as a daycare worker. That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. You don't even like kids. How long did you last?

Speaker 2:

Not very long. How long did you last?

Speaker 1:

last is that where you realized you don't like children I don't know really, I don't remember.

Speaker 2:

I know all the jobs I know well, and that was the worst thing you're like, I'm gonna be a boss, you kids I did the drop in daycare and then I did the after school program at an elementary school.

Speaker 2:

So it was like little kids in the morning and then elementary school kids in the afternoon. And one of the girls that was in there she was a disabled girl, super sweet, loved her to death. She like loved hanging out with her and all the things, but we would have to feed her her afternoon snack and her mom would like always give her chocolate pudding and she her condition like she wasn't able to like close her mouth all the way and so like you'd feed her and then it would just like drool down and it's. It was sad but like really disgusting to watch. I know that makes me a horrible person, but I was like I didn't need chocolate pudding for like 10 years, so you have like a huge aversion to to feeding somebody food, yes, and like being all over them and like I could.

Speaker 2:

When my kids were little they would spit up and I would hand them to their dad. I can't handle fluids like you would throw up and I would be like put her in a car and get her away from me like I can't handle like you're up in a cup and you're like she's out.

Speaker 1:

I was like no I'm like, but it's in the cup, it's in the cup you were so proud of yourself.

Speaker 2:

I made it in the cup well, you were like you got drugged. I'm like here here's the I can solve that it was gross I know you were like I can fix it the bathroom is way over there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it was fine. It was a long time.

Speaker 2:

I only I'm pretty sure I only made it one school year. I don't even think I made it the whole school year and I was like this is not the job for me. No, no, no, I don't see that. No, I was working at Roth during that time too, so I would work YMC in the morning, after school program in the afternoon, and then I would go to Roth.

Speaker 1:

You've always worked a lot.

Speaker 2:

I've always. It's actually really frustrating because I kind of forget that sometimes, but I've worked more than one job more than I haven't.

Speaker 1:

It's part of your identity. We talked about this the other time that you need to be more present with your feelings than you are now. How's that going? I don't like it. While we're eating our feelings, I'm celebrating with my feelings. My food, yeah, celebrating.

Speaker 2:

Celebrating. You did a great job and you deserve to eat real food. I'm so good.

Speaker 1:

I just like fake goods, which is why I knew you'd be down to have some dessert. Yeah, of course, anytime.

Speaker 2:

I told you earlier, I don't even have to be hungry to eat dessert, depending on what? Actually not even depending on what the dessert is, I'll still fucking eat it.

Speaker 1:

I'm trying to think is there anything new that we're getting to the end that I need to wrap up with? Is there anything that's happened? Well, new show is, uh, august 16th for sure and maybe something before then we'll see, but august 16th for sure where's that?

Speaker 2:

one des in florida.

Speaker 1:

You spend so much time in florida there's a lot of this that's because we're gonna to live there one day. Three years, yes, it's going to be great.

Speaker 2:

And we already have a realtor. That's my friend.

Speaker 1:

He actually just opened his own brokerage. Big things, is this like the insurance friend?

Speaker 2:

No no.

Speaker 1:

Just wanted to know, okay all love that this is a friend who has never been in that way I guess for me just living and it's like six days away from like anniversary, yeah, the death anniversary. So we'll see how it goes and I'm gonna spray this weekend at the oregon open I'm gonna go see halsey on saturday, which I don't even know her that well.

Speaker 2:

I know of her, I know some of her, so I feel like I can recognize her voice. If I hear it, you will. Um, but yeah, someone just asked me if I wanted to go and I had nothing else planned. So I was like sure, why not? I like concerts. We're going to, uh, chase rice. Oh, is that who it is? I just, I literally have it in my phone as concert with heather. I didn't even know, I didn't know who it was it's country.

Speaker 1:

I'm like you're gonna go, okay, state line speedway the most random thing everything about that sounds not me. It's's not, but it's going to be an experience, so That'll be fun I'm going to be close to like stage. So I'll be lean, I'll have a cute outfit, I'll probably have my chicken and rice in a baggie in my purse.

Speaker 2:

Do I have to dress country. No, I have one plaid button up, I don't dress country. Okay, I just said cute Jeans and crop probably I don't own a crop, I can dress you. No, no, no.

Speaker 1:

We've done this before.

Speaker 2:

I know.

Speaker 1:

You used to let me.

Speaker 2:

I used to. I used to drink a lot too.

Speaker 1:

I know I like would sweeten it up with champagne.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you bribed me. You gave me like a six month window after luke died. You're like fine, this is all you get, because I feel bad for you and nothing else.

Speaker 1:

I literally let you do anything you want. You're like that window has passed. I'm not letting you dress me anymore.

Speaker 2:

That's fair. That's fair. Oh, I love it. I let you dress me before then yeah, you did back when we were in the old houses thinking about, like saint patty, we had the same dress.

Speaker 1:

Remember that time that I woke up from a night out and I had both of our dresses. And I'm like laying there and I'm like how in the hell are?

Speaker 2:

there two dresses in my closet. We still never figured that out.

Speaker 1:

No, and they were both hanging up. Because it doesn't make any sense. No, because we had the exact same dress and neither one of At my house, and they were both hanging up in my closet. We were so thin then. It was like a size zero it was the smallest dress.

Speaker 2:

I remember looking at it like a year later and I was, like, did I put it on my thigh Like?

Speaker 1:

what? Oh my gosh, I have a picture of us where I also look so tall compared to you.

Speaker 2:

Is it the St Paddy's day one? Because you look way tall. That one, and then the one where you're wearing the blue dress and I'm wearing the black dress or the literally every photo, because or there's the one where I'm little red riding hood and you're the soccer like referee because you had big old boots and I'm in flats yeah good hype. And then we did the Day of the Dead.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and you wouldn't get on stage with me.

Speaker 2:

Hell. No, because I don't want to be the main character.

Speaker 1:

I did it by myself, you did it was fine, it was fun, it was great.

Speaker 2:

All right, so now you caught up with us. We're almost out of dessert.

Speaker 1:

I know. So I guess I think we're done. That means the episode is ending. We should do this again. We should, because it means I can have more dessert, yes, and I can do friendly things as we get you know closer on.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that sounds sad for you I enjoy making fun things and I'll share the recipe so all right till next time, besties.

Speaker 1:

See you enjoy some cake for us, bye, or with us. See you Enjoy some cake for us? Bye, or with us. With us, you should have been getting cake already. With us Till next time. Bye.