we are NOT the SAME
We Are Not the Same: Join our comedic journey as Bodybuilder Barbie flexes her muscles against Daria’s dry wit! Dive into the hilarity of life’s twists and turns through the eyes of two contrasting besties who prove that different perspectives lead to the best stories. Tune in for laughs, randomness, and a sprinkle of chaos!
we are NOT the SAME
Trauma in the Tissues: How Massage Therapy Unlocks Physical and Emotional Healing
Have you ever wondered why that nagging pain in your shoulder won't go away despite massages, stretching, and even medication? The answer might surprise you—your body could be physically manifesting emotional trauma you haven't processed.
In this raw and enlightening conversation with massage therapist Jenessa from Intuitive Touch, we dive deep into the concept that "your body keeps score" of emotional experiences, storing them in physical form when they aren't processed mentally. Jenessa reveals how she reads subtle body signals during massage sessions to identify where clients are holding onto emotional baggage—whether it's tension in the shoulders, inflammation throughout the body, or that mysterious hip pain that appeared after a difficult life event.
What makes this discussion particularly fascinating is the contrast between different body types and how they respond to massage therapy. As Jenessa explains, working on an athlete's dense, trained muscles is "like trying to make a river rock squishy," requiring completely different techniques than someone whose body primarily carries emotional tension. This personalized approach is why cookie-cutter massage experiences often fail to provide lasting relief.
The conversation takes unexpected turns as we share personal experiences with alternative healing modalities like ketamine therapy and how they've complemented traditional massage treatments. One particularly powerful revelation comes when we discuss how the body physically responds to emotional anniversaries—with measurable changes in recovery metrics, inflammation, and pain patterns that correspond to significant dates, regardless of conscious awareness.
Whether you're dealing with chronic pain, curious about the mind-body connection, or simply looking to understand why your body sometimes seems to have a mind of its own, this episode offers valuable insights into holistic healing approaches that honor both physical and emotional aspects of wellness. Learn how massage therapy can serve as both physical medicine and emotional release when performed with intuition and understanding of the body's complex language.
Ready to discover what your body might be trying to tell you? Listen now, and take the first step toward truly understanding the connection between your physical sensations and emotional experiences.
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welcome back everyone. Hello hi. They weren't ready. Want to know why? Why, audience? They weren't ready because we just recorded an entire episode and guess what? It wasn't really recording so they weren't ready, because I just turned us on and we're going to start this over again?
Speaker 2:Is that, even after all this time, we still still made the same mistake?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Flashback to our first episode ever. I think that was the mimosas, though when we decided to just go for it, we had the most epic episode ever, and we didn't even push record, we just were talking to ourselves with our headphones on a microphone. I know that one was sad. That was like the best episode ever too.
Speaker 2:Probably.
Speaker 1:I don't remember, you don't listen to them, so you wouldn't know. It is actually the second one is recorded so we can uh we can always kick it back.
Speaker 2:The reason we we had done an at-home ketamine treatment and we thought that we were more normal than we were.
Speaker 1:Maybe we weren't Jan we were more normal than we were. Maybe we weren't Janessa showed up and we were like hi. We were like hi, yes, audience, guess who we have today Special guest? I think that take two is even more of a shit show than take one, I think. So I feel like take one is going to be good. Welcome to our shit show. We are still not the same. We are still not the same, but we are Kind of Not the same. We are still not the same, but we are Kind of we're dimmler, we're similar but different we're dimmler Similar but different Dimmler.
Speaker 3:Actually I kind of like that.
Speaker 2:That was clever. I've never heard that before.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I have either. I think it was the ketamine. I just made it up. That was funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we went on a little at-home journey today, Me and Heather were on her bed holding hands. Holding hands that's probably the longest I've held hands with a person.
Speaker 1:You were like are you still there?
Speaker 3:It's such a fun time and it was your best friend. I know that's so sweet, I know I did keep checking.
Speaker 2:I'm like you're here, you're right, are you with me? Yep, checking I'm like you're here.
Speaker 1:You're like I'm, as you, with me. Yep, I'm here. I'm like I'm melting, she's like I'm flying yes, we're not missing you.
Speaker 2:Very different experiences, well, right she's like is yours dark?
Speaker 1:I'm like I feel so good I did ask that too. I was was like is yours a little dark? I'm like is yours getting dark? She's like yeah, I'm like no, I feel great.
Speaker 2:Mine went black real fast. You really are a dark girl All the way in my core. Yeah, yeah, no, but it was good. We needed it. We both had a rough week.
Speaker 1:Yes, the, oh my gosh. We were just talking about this I feel, like weird deja vu. Um yeah, it's never the same. This is why we don't talk a lot either, because once we talk about it, it's not the same the second time around to talk about it again um, but yes, it was the five-year deathiversary, I think. We got off on a tangent anyways, and then spiraled on a few other tangents, so I don't even know if we, like, even talked very much about this I think we briefly touched on it.
Speaker 1:It was very briefly, yeah so five year deathversary that was. Oh yeah, we were talking about the whoop and all the things and how my body correlates and responds to yeah. So your body keeps score.
Speaker 2:Your body keeps score that's the name of the book that we keep talking about. Yeah, that Lacey needs to read. Why can I not remember that? The second we stopped podcasting, I think every day.
Speaker 3:I'm just going to send a link to it. Yeah, are we still?
Speaker 1:recording, just to make sure. Yes, okay.
Speaker 3:Okay, we're good.
Speaker 1:Sorry guys, I'm traumatized because we just recorded a whole episode that we didn't record. We just stood around.
Speaker 2:Well, cord, we just stood around. Well, stood around, we sat around. We're talking about trauma, your body, you gotta, you gotta, calm down your body's gonna get mad at you and tense up, and then janessa's gonna have to fix you.
Speaker 3:Luckily we see her on wednesday yeah, I see you both on wednesday I I was gonna I didn't even ask this on the last one, so haha.
Speaker 2:Um, I was gonna ask you how different of an experience is it for you?
Speaker 1:sorry, thank you. Is it for you?
Speaker 3:otherwise, it echoes to have an appointment with her and then have an appointment with me it's interesting because heather I see her first yeah, she's my first person and then I have someone who's really deep tissue in between you guys, and then I have you, which you're light. You're light work for me. I mean, we're still doing deep tissue.
Speaker 1:Light work.
Speaker 2:Rude Because she breaks me dude Hardly. That really hurts my feelings that that's light work.
Speaker 1:Well, because I feel like the muscle it's harder to get in between. Is it the muscle? Is it just because of what I do? It's like a different type.
Speaker 3:For bodybuild? Is it the muscle? Is it just because the what I do? It's like a different type for body builders professional body builders um, it's definitely different. So, um, your muscles are much more dense. So it's like picking up a river rock and trying to, you know, make it squishy. Essentially, I mean it's it's so different now with Lacey I can sit down and do some work while she's, you know, on face down. I can do the same shoulder work on her, but I can do it sitting down because she takes pressure differently.
Speaker 1:Her body response is much different and that's where her emotional which is why it's trauma in the episode that you'll never hear because we didn't record it. We were talking about how Lacey stores her trauma in her body and, as me, as a professional athlete, I am the one beating up my body, putting it through it. Little Miss, five leg days a week over here.
Speaker 2:Going heavy. Your body still has trauma. Your body has a lot of trauma.
Speaker 1:We touched on this in the episode that no one will ever hear.
Speaker 2:Now you're going to let her go?
Speaker 1:No, because it's in my brain. I just have to keep revisiting it.
Speaker 3:She's got to let it out, but I'm much more clear now.
Speaker 1:It's funny. It's funny. I have to keep reminding myself that we didn't talk about that, yet they don't know. I store it in talk about that, yet they don't know. Uh, I stored in my left hip because we came across this, me and janessa it was.
Speaker 3:She actually is more of a recent discovery too so it was, uh, it was your first prep, I think. We were you're like I've just been posing a lot, I'm trying to get that down. And then we were in that really intricate part in your hip, uh your hip flexor, and it was intense, and so I was like I think this is emotional, I think you're gonna have an emotional release because you're storing something there and you're just responding differently while I work in this intricate area, and so we decided to not push it because you wanted to have a clear mentality for your yeah I'm like fair no that's super fair.
Speaker 2:You don't want to open something or be raw or the cortisol.
Speaker 1:I'm like I don't want to dump cortisol or all these emotions and I don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it may come out now, which is also crazy that you're like, okay, we'll just leave that one for next time.
Speaker 3:It's been there for a while. So hard for me to. It's been there for a while. I think it's fine. Why does it hurt as we talk about it? Can we just stop? I'm like, why is it like that? So our bodies tell us things, and this is where I come in. So massage therapy. You know, I went to massage school. Um, they teach us not just how to massage people. A lot of people think you know, oh, do you have to get a degree for this? We do it's. We learn a lot of medical.
Speaker 2:Um, the name and muscles and all the things. Yeah, we also learn.
Speaker 3:You know the metaphysical. So we talked in the episode that no one will ever hear, um, that massage is medical. There are scientific facts that you can back things up with, but it's also metaphysical. There's so much more of a healing through energy and you know spirituality and I think that, whether you believe in it or not, you just have that with massage, and so when you have these emotional responses, it's easy for me as a professional to be like there's something in here. I can either push it and we can see what happens, or we can just let you know that it's here and it'll when it, when you're ready to let it go, it's still gonna be here then it'll release but massage is teamwork.
Speaker 2:I've had to, you know, coach heather and I've had to coach you through breathing and it's interesting to me that, because I also was holding, um, something in my hip, mine was my right hip and then again through janessa we, because I thought, for sure that I had to have hip replacement surgery because my leg is all fucked up let's be real like it does not you thought your hip was a lemon and meanwhile it was the lemon if you had not if you didn't get the last episode with the nickname?
Speaker 1:do they know? Yeah, they know, yet now didn't get the last episode with the nickname. Do they know? Yeah, they know, yet now they listen to the last episode. Lemon is.
Speaker 2:The last one, yeah, the date.
Speaker 1:The lemon. It was the lemon, it was the testing out situation. It was a lemon, you let it go, you took it back. You're single again.
Speaker 2:But the funny thing, was getting rid of the lemon, all of a sudden my hip pain went away well like because janessa tried to tell me she's all like I. Your body was repulsing him repulsed.
Speaker 1:Is that what it was, your body?
Speaker 3:rejected.
Speaker 1:It's true, your body was rejecting the lemon as much as you love lemon, your body did not. Yeah.
Speaker 3:You love lemon dessert, I do too. But our body, you know, everything is energy. A lot of people don't want to admit that or believe in it, but everything is energy.
Speaker 1:Yes, no, it definitely is. I know there's times when I will text you before our appointment or I'll just tell you like I'm just feeling like so heavy or off or emotionally weight, like energetically weighted or like stuck or block or things like that yeah, and that will help.
Speaker 2:I think it's important to tell your masseuse like where you are mentally. I definitely first off I walk in and I'm like it's me bitch every single time oh my god, I love that every single time, and then she chuckles, and then I chuckle, and then she's like so how are you? And I'm like girl listen. And then I laid out and I'm like, this is what happened, and this is where I'm feeling it and this is why life sucks and this is why I'm gonna kill myself.
Speaker 1:And then she gets in there say that do you remember how I got the therapy that was? Or the?
Speaker 2:I don't have anybody that cares enough about me to do that, but you and you wouldn't do that to me because of what you've been through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true Facts. I'd just be like here's some ketamine, let's go lay down.
Speaker 2:But I appreciate the concern.
Speaker 1:Well, I didn't think I ever had to be concerned about that either. And then there's that one time.
Speaker 2:There's that one time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was a pretty crazy time Also traumatized you, so that's fine yeah probably, that's probably built in my body somewhere. Just getting you back for the floating head situation. It's fine.
Speaker 3:Just like a weekly, and she's going to come up and you guys are going to go be floating heads, maybe I need to do the floating head thing I think you should try it, can you?
Speaker 1:tell Jen we need to borrow her hot tub. Yes, jen, if you're listening, we're coming over later.
Speaker 2:I don't know why it's relaxing, but it is.
Speaker 1:Do you have a Dairy Queen station very close?
Speaker 3:by? Did you say Dairy Queen station?
Speaker 1:Yes, because you want to know how, stationed very close by. You want to know how stationed very close by. Yes, because you can make little shroom blizzards, the mini blizzard yes, because then you can't taste it.
Speaker 3:I just dairy queen station.
Speaker 1:I've never heard no, dairy queen, I said stationed really close by like conveniently.
Speaker 3:It's like a block from their house yeah, no, I thought, yeah, I thought you meant like a deer maybe I didn't oh station that all is to say.
Speaker 1:Your body holds fucking trauma oh yeah, so we have it in the floating head situation. God, it's just getting better. So round two of this is just as fucked up as round one. So welcome, you're welcome. Enjoy.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the shit show.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the ketamine after effects.
Speaker 2:We need to have a. Are we still going? Are we still going?
Speaker 1:As Lacey's over there pretending to pound on the podcaster that's? Oh no, that's not the one that's been through shit.
Speaker 2:She's upstairs resting because one of her holes is broken. This is mine Remember that one. Yeah, she was used and abused and we had to retire her.
Speaker 1:RAP. I mean she's up there as a backup in case we get desperate. We're going to leave her tats on her and her tags.
Speaker 3:She's the last pick.
Speaker 1:Yes, her hole is broken. She only has three holes instead of four.
Speaker 3:I thought we were talking about your trauma.
Speaker 2:Not mine, Okay.
Speaker 3:Oh, good lord.
Speaker 1:And then it all got really quiet.
Speaker 2:Anyway the whole thing is. So sometimes we have to do things to relax, like take mushrooms or do the ketamine treatment. No, the mushrooms were after.
Speaker 1:That was after shortly after Luke passed away and I was on my healing journey and I thought psychedelics was going to help and so we did a lot of like.
Speaker 2:We did have a moment where we did a lot of them.
Speaker 1:Well, actually it was, we never even macro dosed, we did not do a lot of them. The more I'm reading about it, people are doing like macro doses we were taking like a couple, we were like definitely like feeling them, but not like a psychedelic journey.
Speaker 2:We were not doing a macro.
Speaker 1:There is I have never had.
Speaker 2:I've only one time had like an actual psychedelic vision.
Speaker 1:We can go. There is a woman named Hazel in seattle and you. She sits with you and she gives you a macro dose of psychedelics mushrooms and she sits with you. No, she's like a.
Speaker 3:You know I was yes, like she like sits with you, like she's like a like, not like a shaman, but like you know, a sitter.
Speaker 1:They call them like sitters. They're like psychedelic mentor overseers, yes, so basically like. It's like an airbnb type situation that you go to and you're there for 24 hours and she oversees you, gives you the medicine and then you can macro dose with her oh, that's interesting, that is interesting so you like kind of see her beforehand, you like zoom with her, she like what you want to get out of it, and then she cur curates your dosage, which is a macro dose. Anyway, five and seven grams, it's a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a little bit.
Speaker 1:That's. That's what a micro dose is. That's a lot. That's a lot. I'm like we've never done anything like that. We've just blended a few up in a little. I don't even know.
Speaker 2:I Like.
Speaker 1:Here's a few little things and sometimes I've taken it in capsules and sometimes I don't know the micro dosing. I did, you know, do micro dosing for a little while where I was making my own, and that's like the lion's mane With it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the important thing about doing that stuff, if that's something that you're interested in, is Do your research. Do your research.
Speaker 1:Eat your microphone. The whole thing is Put your microphone next to your mouth, sorry, thank you. The whole thing is the mental journey is part of the physical journey.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know what I mean. Like, in order for Janessa to be able to do her best work on me, I need to be in my best mental state. So sometimes when I go in there and she's like, how are you doing today? And I'm like I want to murder everybody, and she's like cool, maybe we will just do a lighthearted little therapy.
Speaker 1:She's like I'm not going to send you over the edge.
Speaker 2:And we're just going to we're just going to try to relax you and calm you and get rid of your irritability. And then sometimes I come in and I'm like you know what? Things are all good. My body sucks, I hurt real bad, and we'll pinpoint. Is there a specific area that hurts worse? And then, if not, she just goes in and she just does it. But that's because my mind has to be in the right spot. So, like us doing the ketamine journey today, yes, allows for us. So when we go to see you on wednesday, actually be able to, like, make some fucking progress.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, I definitely. Well, as we were talking about in the last episode um the correlation between the body storing trauma, so my whoop actually correlated with the death anniversary. I had a drop in my recovery. It finally came back up this morning. So when it is it like correlates though like, so, like my, you can't fake your resting heart rate, your heart rate variability. That's like you being stressed out. Right, I have done nothing different in my life besides those stressors that have come up that have like impacted me, um and through that cortisol, so weight fluctuations, weight spikes, um that like feeling watery water retention, all that kind of thing, um, you know, it all just happens like, along with like your body yeah, your body follows suit.
Speaker 3:So if your, if your mental health isn't good.
Speaker 1:It sounded so much better on the last episode that no one will ever hear.
Speaker 3:Anyways, we heard it though.
Speaker 1:That's all that matters.
Speaker 3:We were here. We know your body will follow suit and I think that we talked about this before. We realized that it wasn't recorded. When you have mental health, maybe like some depression or anxiety, your body is going to follow suit. And so how you handle it, where you store it in your body, that's what you know. That's where you're going to keep it.
Speaker 3:So when people come in, you know I like to ask how's your body. I don't necessarily ask how someone is, I just say how's your body and they'll tell me oh, you know, this is what's been going on, or I've been doing a lot of extra work. Spring and summertime people are planting. So you know we might change up their regular routine, but I like to. In my practice, at Intuitive Touch, bodywork and Massage, I like to really let the body be the guide. You know, I might know what the body needs, but I might not be able to do that on the body in that session because of how you're feeling mentally. We've had sessions where you've come in and you've been killing it with your workouts.
Speaker 1:Your body needs the work, but mentally you can't handle it and so we address, we address that fight or flight yes, there's been a couple days where it's just yeah so we were more gentle.
Speaker 3:you know, we did more sports massage with just that fast, know that fast pumping, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Talking about the different things that we've done pre-show. Going into Miami we did the where we kind of like define the muscles and really, yes, I was lean and work, yes, the body contouring. And then going into Tangy, we kind of did muscle plumping, trying to get the muscle bellies a little bit fuller to show that off. So we've done everything.
Speaker 3:I muscle belly is a little bit fuller to show that off. So we've done everything.
Speaker 1:I don't know we'll see what we're going to do going into the next uh and last show of my some good results. Oh yeah, I will be posting video. We have a bunch of videos. It actually is really fucking cool like to see how my body like changed the contouring. One is wild because I took photos 24 hours before or like day of, and then I have photos from that night and then the next day and then the next night and you can just see like my body getting like the lines yes, just the lines just coming out and it's crazy. And then the same thing with um. You can see how full that my glutes get.
Speaker 3:She really worked on jess, worked on my glutes a lot and they just plumped up so much and it's such an interesting technique and that's I mean I love massage because there are thousands upon thousands of modalities and techniques that you know we can learn, and I think that's what makes it so versatile and and that you want to have that. You want to be able to address as many people as you can, because, whereas in Lacey's situation, we address your pain, we address, you know, fixing headaches.
Speaker 2:My pain moves yeah, it does, so that makes it really difficult. It's real different.
Speaker 1:We're just chasing it all the time Because it's the trauma running away. That is what I do.
Speaker 3:It doesn't want to be found.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I don't want to process anything. My brain is like no, and it's really mad at me that I'm trying so hard to heal but on the days that you've had ketamine I know your body responded so good so differently. It was weird actually it relaxes you.
Speaker 1:I mean, obviously it's an anesthesia.
Speaker 2:It's an anesthesia, but it's like the way it allows you to relax, so that's anesthesia, but it's like the way it allows you to relax, that's the, that's the sentence right there the way it allows you to react, to relax, right, because I relax, quote, unquote all the fucking time.
Speaker 1:Right, I sit down, I chill, I don't do anything, I'm not at all relaxed because we don't realize that we're tensing, especially people with complex PTSD, don't realize that we're tensing, especially people with complex PTSD, ptsd. You're just usually stuck in a fight or flight, and for people like me, who are really good at masking all the time, it's just you're constantly tense under everything, so it's like a nonstop and you don't really ever think about it. Which, janessa, you notice my shoulders, my shoulders. Well, because I don't do upper body. I have not lifted anything with my upper body and now that I'm not doing classes, I really do nothing with my upper body. Um, but sometimes it'll be like, wow, why is it like this?
Speaker 3:You still hold a lot of your, your stress and tension, so I can always tell it to you because I'll be working. You know your thoracic area down into your, you know low back and glutes and I've always noticed, oh, she's stressed. So we'll start doing a little bit of work. Then we'll flip and I'm like we got time for neck work, we're going to do some neck work and you're always like, yeah, I needed that.
Speaker 1:Wait till you feel my neck Like it's so fucked. I don't even know what happened.
Speaker 2:But I'm like my neck is just a shit show in there, like it doesn't. Every person that touches my neck the chiropractor janessa, the um, the pain management specialist who does both the botox for my migraines and the uh cortisone for fucking, just a hail, mary at this point, at this point, they're all like what the fuck's going on with your neck?
Speaker 3:it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:It is interesting how different you know, I don't know what it is I know a lot of people that have neck pain.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's if you're an adult, you pretty much have neck pain probably yeah the way that we have to address it is so different, and I think that's you know.
Speaker 2:Being in this profession, I've realized that I can't go about a technique on everyone the exact same way I think that's super important because let's let's be real there's a lot of massage places available for people to pick and like places like, let's say, elements, and I'm not. I'm not talking shit about elements, but I am gonna say that you are going to get a very specific type of massage at that type of place. You know what I mean. Like it's not going to be, it'll be a little bit custom, but not to the point to where I mean you might find a diamond in the rough there that starting out, that's getting, it's about the person, hasn't been yes, and I.
Speaker 1:My little testimony about finding Janessa was I've never had a massage therapist that actually like could fix my body, like it. Massage for me was like okay, I'll just it's going to go, feel good, right, like it's just a relaxing thing. And then Lacey's like no, she's really good. I'm like all right, well, I'll just try. I'm like with your referral thing, like that's a great deal. So just feeling good, like that's a great deal. Whatever, I'm just going to go. It's a win, win, I just get a.
Speaker 2:You got a good deal on the massage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no matter what it's a whatever you know, win, win. But then you put your hands on me and then that sounds really weird. But when you touched me I didn't have to say anything and you knew what. Like what.
Speaker 2:I've been.
Speaker 1:You said do you have a headache recently? I'm like, yes, and you just knew, and you were releasing things without me even saying anything. And then I felt like it was a beneficial massage, not just a, oh, let me rub your back.
Speaker 3:I mean, you got off the table and I came back in after you were dressed and you were like OK, how do I pay?
Speaker 1:It was so good.
Speaker 2:Yes, and we've been together ever since. Yes, and we've been together ever since when I first went to janessa, my shoulder blades didn't move at all. Yeah, they were at all they didn't poke out, like it was completely one panel on my back. And how long did that take us to?
Speaker 3:I remember the day that, like she finally got under my shoulder blade and was able to like pop it up and move it, and we were both like yeah, it was like two or three months into seeing you, yeah, so I mean I don't take insurance and you know I'm private pay and a lot of people want me to take insurance, but I can't address the body, the, way that you want to.
Speaker 3:I need to and want to, but in the way that I need to and want to, but in the way that I need to, because the medical field has really they're not open for, you know, a lot of the massage therapy because of that metaphysical they're very strict on what they approve.
Speaker 2:So they'll be like yes, you can have massages, but it can only be for this part of your body, and for anyone who's ever studied anything about the fucking body, it's all connected. Like I could, my shoulder could be hurting because of my pinky toe like, but they're like nope, we're, it's your shoulder that hurts. So we're only going to approve treatment for your shoulder and if we're being honest, I can't.
Speaker 3:I you know I I do 60 minute massages and you get the full time 90 minute, two hour, but a lot of the time it's 65 minutes or 95 minutes because I end up going over.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And everyone's such, but I can't just complete it. You know, I really want the body to be in control, but I want to be able to help it, and it takes a lot of trust, which is what I try to do a lot in my room. I want people to be able to be relaxed and I want them to trust that I'm going to be able to do what it takes for their body but also that I can read their body well enough so that they can just be in the moment.
Speaker 3:I think also to learning your body. You know, we know that we have hands and legs, but we don't know why this area hurts or why this area is fatigued. And that's where I like to also talk to clients about that and educate.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I say you know I can do all this, but you have to do this outside of it too.
Speaker 2:I yes, I need to, and this is where you come in. I need to work on strengthening my shoulders and my neck, because they're all jacked to shit, so you have to come up with fucking exercises or stretches or fucking.
Speaker 1:I got you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:I'm such a.
Speaker 2:And then you, yeah, and then now that you do it, texas my movement is going way down because I'm not running around the restaurant. You just, your resistance bands, we're going to do this.
Speaker 1:I do have resistance bands, which is all you need All you need for now.
Speaker 3:Perfect, we'll go from there. Just strengthen back up, yeah, yeah, I mean movement's powerful, but you know, also letting your body relax in a, in a place where it can fully relax and you can get that deep work and get rid of those things.
Speaker 3:That's also important, and I try. You know I try to keep my pricing competitive, but I also try to make it affordable so that everyone can experience having a body that works, because we have this body for the rest of our lives. You want it to work. I don't want to be, you know, 70 years old in a nursing home.
Speaker 2:I will say, in a wheelchair, I I am only able to function at the level that I function because of you we've come a long way with a long way, but we've also come a long way with modern medicine keeps just screwing me over and I I'm one.
Speaker 1:I don't take any medications. I don't go to the doctor unless absolutely necessary. Yeah, I, janessa, you've fixed any, any issues that I've had and we've, like, um, my body's responded so well that we've been able to address other things. We're going to get that emotional release.
Speaker 2:It's there, it's been building up again.
Speaker 1:You have to be ready for it. I know, and I'm really good at shoving it down deep, deep down. That's why I looked at you directly when I said that I know, but we're bringing it to cried for so long too, like I mean, there's been points where like some tears came out, but I've not like, and then I just shove them away, like I think before, like my last show, there was like, but that was, that was it.
Speaker 2:And then and it's so important to do that. I hadn't cried since before my mom died and it took to my third ketamine treatment before I was finally able to cry and, like instantly, I felt better after crying. I don't, I watched some. I don't even remember why I was crying. I was watching some show and it was sad and I finally let myself cry, but it made a huge fucking difference.
Speaker 3:I watched a sad video on tech talk yesterday and cried.
Speaker 2:It was like we have to put all this effort into crying. She's like I watched a TikTok video.
Speaker 3:People coming home and like surprising yeah, those get me every time and then proposals like they're really well thought out you know what gets me?
Speaker 1:it's watching videos and I'm like watching brayden or lily, like hit the mat, like watching their videos back or like seeing them, like that will get me to where I'm almost like and then I just shove it down. It's just so ingrained in me to like not have those emotions, so I need to like figure that one out and work through. Maybe I'll like, maybe we can ketamine journey and I can like try to let myself cry. That'll be interesting. That'll be a fun one.
Speaker 2:Podcast after Let you know how that goes, not record. I did a ketamine treatment before I went and did a massage twice Two different times, my very first ketamine treatment. We did ketamine and then massage and then my very last ketamine treatment. I did ketamine and then massage and the difference.
Speaker 3:It made a huge difference.
Speaker 1:I mean, I was baffled because yeah, you're like, you're almost like a normal person. So you've seen me like a day or so, but I think it's different because I think hers is solely trauma. But maybe we could get. We've gotten more into I was, I think we got more into that hip area, but it definitely was not gone yeah, we, we haven't hit the full potential because also we weren't pushing it because show and I'm like I don't want that cortisol.
Speaker 3:Well, and if the body is not ready, I don't typically like pushing it, especially if I think it's an emotional release. You really can't tell. There's no like identifying factors, but for me and I think that's one of the reasons I changed it to intuitive touch, body work and massage is because it's the intuition for me.
Speaker 3:I want to be able to read what the person is going through and what they're feeling, and if I feel like their body is not ready, then we're not going to do it. And that's essentially what you're paying for with my prices too, because it's worth it to invest and a lot of the time I can make it to where you don't have to come that often. But a lot of people are like no, I want to be here every other week and that's more than welcome and you are.
Speaker 3:You're one of the people that fit that criteria, that need to be there twice a month. Um, I mean with heather, we could probably get away with every three weeks we?
Speaker 1:yeah, we got to a point where I didn't need to like maybe once a month, but no, it's better for me and you're in competition season in prep.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's way different because we're addressing your body, and that's the whole thing.
Speaker 2:It's such a wide range of services I offer. It's one service, but it's not.
Speaker 3:It's like yeah, I have clients, you know I. They come in and I say how's your body? And they'll tell me certain things. I have clients that come in and say you'll find it, that's it, that's all you're like I'm good, I got it and I'm like okay, great, and most of the time I do.
Speaker 1:But which do you prefer.
Speaker 3:That's what I. What which do you prefer I? Honestly, if something new comes up, I'm gonna find it, even if you don't tell me, so I don't I mean, I like to.
Speaker 1:I'm just making small talk, but I know what's gonna. I know maybe because you want to hear what their main concern is, so you can address that first but you'll always find it.
Speaker 3:We're doing an hour. I really have to narrow the time down. You're like like I don't want to.
Speaker 1:You're like I'm not trying to play hide and or hunt and seek would be hunt and seek, Hunt and find hunt and find I mean I.
Speaker 3:you know It'd be hide and seek.
Speaker 1:I kind of am like With the body, the muscles, Hours honestly feel like 20 minutes for me. It feels like that on the table too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it does For an hour. Yeah, just an hour, but even a 90 minute. You know I'll be like 30 minutes and I'm like how is it already? I only have an hour left to do what I want to do. So a lot of the time I go over in my sessions but again I mean you're going to get more than what you paid for, because I'm really trying my damn best.
Speaker 1:You are worth every penny and then some Every work on your body.
Speaker 2:Every time you find something new on me, you go oh fun yeah.
Speaker 3:Or when I grab the stool to sit and work on it a lot of my clients are like oh my god, there's something in there, like I'm scared. Or it's when I kick the stool back and stand up. That's when you know you're in trouble.
Speaker 2:or when I dislocated my shoulder and it took like four chiropractor appointments and two massage appointments and then for us to finally get my shoulder to roll back in. And when it rolled in me and her, I was like, oh, because you could hear it and see it.
Speaker 3:I physically watched her shoulder just like drop back and structurally into place and it made like I've heard I've heard this before, like I've heard that noise. But that noise I mean it was physically disgusting, it was gross.
Speaker 2:There have been some noises in there. That's the crazy thing too right did you know that your muscles can get crunchy?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, actually she knows my muscles I hate that sound mine get like that. I have a lot of that, don't I?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and yours is from repetitive with the bodybuilding. It's a lot of that repetitive movement and that's why I say you want to be hydrated. It's not just water that's hydrating you. You also want to have electrolytes, all the minerals the proper things. It's not just the high intensity movement. You want to have good flow, you want to stretch.
Speaker 1:I need to do more stretching because now that I'm not teaching anymore. Yes, and I'm going to hold me accountable. I'm holding you accountable.
Speaker 2:I'll do stretching with you. I just don't want to do any of your class style workouts because, you're a beast.
Speaker 1:Janessa is my client also and she is gone into. She's in phase three now. You're on phase three, we're on, we've gone through four Am I still in phase two? I thought I have to relook. I think we've gone. No, I think we've. This is the third reprogramming, right? Isn't this your third programming?
Speaker 3:Maybe it is is I'd have to go back and look. Anyways, I think this is your third, so you progressed anyways, you progressed.
Speaker 1:This is your third tier, so you progressed three different times, that you know.
Speaker 3:So the progression, so you've I'm getting stronger yeah, and your workouts are getting my core intense, yeah, like my stamina.
Speaker 1:So I was doing I don't really hold back anymore when I program, because I know what you're doing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like, here we go four to five weeks in a row I did six hours a day of massage like five to six days a week and I was like three. So you know, six months ago I couldn't have done that, think of that, not have think of that for a minute though, like how many, did you say six hours of hands-on massage?
Speaker 2:like I couldn't give somebody a 45 minute massage, like my hands would be crippled by the end of that I'm so thankful for janessa.
Speaker 3:I know she's in one day, like the most I'll do for 90 minutes is like I'll do four in a day.
Speaker 1:I have a good question for you? Yeah, how do you decompress energetically after that, or in between each client? Or is a good question because for me, being around people is such an energy exchange. Yeah, I find that I'm off. I'm usually radiating out and giving energy, so, like after a long spray tan weekend, I feel like I always have to yes and I need to like decompress and just be almost alone, with no noise or just in my head, to not talk, to be able to reset myself. So how do you reset yourself?
Speaker 3:It's interesting because they talk about that in school too. And you know, in school they made us have like a five year plan. And it's funny because I'm actually hitting it without even realizing because it was just for a project.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:But nutrition was nutrition, and like being healthy and movement, those things really matter. And so the last few years before trading with you, heather, um, I would do a lot of. I would just go on hikes. I like to hike, not you know anything crazy.
Speaker 2:I'm not wearing like hiking shoes, but you know I'm I feel like me and you do the same type of hiking oh, I like to hike, hike being out in nature, being by the river, swimming in the river, decompressing.
Speaker 3:I try to get massages weekly. Right now I have a, you know, a constant trade that I've had for a couple years every other week, but I try to do weekly um and honestly, just really taking the time for myself. Sometimes I'll sit in my room. I love incense.
Speaker 1:I burn incense in my massage room typically before anyone comes in your room has the best vibe always and I don't come in. Did you tell them this time or the last episode that we didn't record about how you come in to the room?
Speaker 3:No, she didn't.
Speaker 1:You need to, because I was going to say this is how we're not the same. I didn't get to say it last time, cause okay.
Speaker 2:Every single time. Every single time I go into my appointment, I like knock twice, open the door and go. It's me bitch.
Speaker 3:And I always know it's her.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I'm always like hi, come in. You're like hey, like hi.
Speaker 1:I don't say it's me I'm like hi, how are you if I have time?
Speaker 3:I know that makes me laugh, actually but deep, you know, decompressing, I think, in general for everyone, and I tell my massage clients this too just walking, taking, you know, time for yourself. Nature, do you think?
Speaker 1:like being outside has something. I always feel more connected when I'm just like outside. Remember the last time I did ketamine I was like I need to go outside.
Speaker 3:And I was at the.
Speaker 1:Starbucks and I was like it's a vibe I just really had to like. Last time I did ketamine my last ketamine infusion therapy appointment I waited outside for Lacey because I had such a huge urge to just be in the sun, because it was like sunny then.
Speaker 3:And I think too in this area, because we're so deprived of the sun. You know, so many months in a row, I literally just posted on Facebook.
Speaker 2:the other day I was like I love how the sun recharges me. It does it literally just fucking makes me feel better. Well, now that I have so, I got to move to Florida.
Speaker 3:Yeah, now that I have a house with a yard, but then a couple months out of the year.
Speaker 1:We're going to hibernate. Well, yeah, you have a pool, fancy, yeah.
Speaker 3:So we have a pool, we have a yard, so I like to set out, I try and like lounge for at least an hour a day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I put my headphones in but I don't listen to anything. That's a good way to decompress. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3:And honestly it's stress for me. I have high cortisol that while not only the high intensity workouts actually do help with it, it's also the low, like sit outside, work on your breathing, kind of be in a meditative state. And that's also what you're doing in massage. When I started coaching people on how to breathe yeah, especially if we're in a real time area.
Speaker 2:I'll just fucking stop. There is a supplement that I use.
Speaker 1:If you have a cortisol, it's cortisol. They have it at hardcore, okay, and you, it's like they have it at hardcore. Okay, and you? It's like there's a peanut butter and hot cocoa. I just put it in with my oats. You can put in with anything, but it actually shows that it lowers your cortisol levels yeah, and it's just one scoop.
Speaker 3:So that's, everyone has high cortisol and massage right now, yeah yeah, massage has been proven to also like decrease a lot of like the inflammation and things like that and also, let's be real, right, massage is also like a mini therapy session at the same time.
Speaker 2:So it's not just it's literally focusing on your mind and body at the same time, because you can't tell me that you have people that just are silent the whole time I have a few.
Speaker 3:So really, oh my god, that'd be so weird. It is, I make really good music playlists I go silent sometimes.
Speaker 2:I go silent at times I do, I go silent at times, yeah like for the whole thing.
Speaker 3:Some people come in and they want to talk. I mean so much about janessa's, the only one that I have talked to.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't talk to anyone else. That's massaged me really. Yeah, I don't like that. That's my me time.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm the fucking weird one. No, I I mean no.
Speaker 1:No, I think the older I'm getting, the more that I've Okay, the longer in my healing journey I've been getting the quieter, more introverted more reserved.
Speaker 1:I have been coming or I have become. I have given so much of my energy and myself my entire life and I've just been repeatedly no. I feel that either let down, hurt or just not gotten a great response, and I'm realizing you need to protect and I you just have to protect, I think, because I came from such a traumatized childhood and naive and thinking that everybody was just and then rebuilding. Really it was like rebuilding a life with luke. I was very sheltered in that we just and I I don't know after his death and everything. It's like before luke, after luke. Like me talking about all this is definitely because of things that happen after. It's like I just can't give any more. Like you, I just need to protect that and everybody should. You should not. You know energies.
Speaker 2:You should not just like I feel that my problem is I feel like I have to explain myself to literally everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, and I'm too quiet. That's why we're not the same.
Speaker 2:So now I don't explain like. I have to apologize and explain myself like I'm sorry, I am this way.
Speaker 1:This is the reason why I am this way every second and I just show up as everything's fine, hi, and I won't talk. That's what it is. I don't explain and act like everything's fine.
Speaker 3:I think it depends on, like, what I'm dealing with at the moment, because, like, there's times where I go into my massage with the person who works on me and you know we'll talk a little bit and I'll be like this is kind of what I want. These are my target areas, you know, because it can be different a lot of it's you know?
Speaker 1:oh, I took that really general and meant like life in general, not just to massage, sorry everybody.
Speaker 3:I'm like. I took that really literal for life in general too, because sometimes I'll want to yes, it is true because I'll want to talk and I'll be like, oh you know, you know she'll be beating the shit out of me. It's well deserved, because she says I do it to her. I think I'm nice, but okay that like tells me, I'm not no, you are when you need.
Speaker 1:It's good, it's with love yeah, but you know you're nice while you're doing it.
Speaker 2:How's that? Yeah, I try, I'll be pushing on something that's literally ripping my shoulder off of my body and she's all like you're doing great I'm gonna push a little harder and then it'll move and she'll be like, oh, oh, got it.
Speaker 3:I love that that's pretty much how it goes. But in my sessions, you know, I if life is really hammering me down, I want to vent. If I know that I'm in a space where I'm free to vent or be quiet, then I want to be comfortable to have the option of either one People can come on to that table and talk about life they can talk about whatever they want or they can just be quiet. They can snooze. Not a lot of snoozing happens, but it also depends on the session.
Speaker 1:I definitely have like dissociated, like I'm like I'm here, but I'm not here like you're sleeping.
Speaker 3:You're not deep sleeping, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it was the time like there was the one day where I was just like, really I don't know, it was kind of recent. It was like you're not deep sleeping. Yeah, I think it was the time like there was the one day where I was just like really I don't know, it was kind of recent.
Speaker 3:It was like you're really groggy afterward. Yes, I was like I've entered into a like other realm but I needed it yeah, it was very healing the music was like far away, but you were in the room yes, I was definitely quiet during that one. I was like I realized I think that was the one that you really, we just really needed to address your, your body as a whole and just really help the stress factor yes, I feel like you were inflamed at that one. Yes, we were just. Which is so?
Speaker 1:weird. Like body keeps the score. It definitely like holds on to everything. It's with my whoop and seeing like the correlation with everything and just like how my body reacts, no matter how much I want to. And then this morning feeling like even before we did our ketamine journey, yesterday was a really hard day for me, just mentally. It's been like 4th of July was Luke's favorite holiday.
Speaker 1:His birthday is coming up, it just seemed and Kinsley, we're having a lot of behavioral issues that are very triggering, very traumatizing to everybody. It's her trauma's coming out and I believe that it was definitely with the whole Johnny Bravo situation and that um impacted a lot of things and like kind of like cracked open the surface again of like the attachment and dealing with all that. It's just been really, really hard and the correlation with my weight and all the things and like finally like getting a good night. Well, my recovery is finally back. But it's like it's been what like two weeks and it's around that time and it's like no matter what I did or thought or tried to stuff it down, my body was reacting to a stress that it knows and it does this every year and I should know it's funny because last year I was on prep too.
Speaker 2:You're like I just feel like shit and I don't know why. I was like what do you mean? You don't know why?
Speaker 1:well, because it's like I'm doing. I'm like I'm doing all this, like I'm hitting my macros. I'm doing you know what I mean, like the things that should be making me feel good. I'm not, and I, but you know what reaching out to you yesterday made me feel better. Just like verbalizing, like this is what I'm feeling, like for no apparent, just this is just what it is.
Speaker 3:But that's so important because I think so many people, especially you know, in society we're supposed to think about the physical and we're supposed to. You know you work really hard and then you have, you know, your days to relax. But what about your mentality?
Speaker 1:Because it's not a box to check, so it's not as uh is.
Speaker 3:uh, you know, easy to like, get overwhelming and then when your body is telling you that you're tired and you're like why does my body feel like this? Your body is the, you know, the cursor towards how you feel you have to and it can only go for so long before it does right, that's the thing you have to listen to it. I tell people all the time you gotta listen to your body I've become more in tune with myself.
Speaker 1:Actually, my lifts have gotten better. I feel like my muscles have obviously grown more. But since, like working with you, it's like I've learned more, like I've become more in tune with my body. Where it was just kind of like I don't know a vessel, like just something I used before, it's more now I listen you knew how to build it up.
Speaker 3:You knew how to work it. You knew how to. You know, have your workout routines um how you needed them for your, your body type and I. I think in my sessions we've been able to identify where you hold certain things, especially trauma related, and how you know your workouts. You know, was this tugging over here? Maybe adjust while you're working out to build up that area that's fatigued or you know, whatever it is and we found some weak areas yeah, and now you
Speaker 2:we did find some shocks you sounded when you just said that. Well, because I didn't think she's a bodybuilder, I'm like I didn't, I know now it's like I have something that I can work on
Speaker 3:I'm like challenge accepted wait, now you think about that too, and then, when you start having that tension or that tightness, come back. You, you know, and that's why when I say at the beginning of every session, how's your body? You're like oh my gosh, I notice, and now you're paying attention to not only your body but how you feel with your body. You're connecting the two, because your, your mind and your body are different, even though they're in the same vessel yeah, because sometimes I'll come in and she'll be like how are you?
Speaker 2:I'll be like I'm in so much pain and she's like okay, what's going on? I was like literally everything. She's like, okay, got it. Yeah, right, because the reason why I'm in pain is because so much has happened and it's overwhelming, it's overstimulating to my body and my body panic and everything just gets inflamed.
Speaker 3:It just panics but it does, and so it's. You know it's different. Our mind and our body are different, but we have this vessel which is our body and that's where we have so much, and so our mind puts things maybe energetically, but that our body turns it physical. So in massage, you know, and I told I mean maybe this isn't the definition for it, but this is my definition in my room, your body is in control, it's your session, you're paying for it, I'm the professional, I know what it needs, but maybe we can't do what it needs. So I'm going to do the thing that I know how to do and address it in whatever way it needs addressed. And that's the whole point in my whole practice and I think it's worked. You know you both need different things and you both have different body types and styles and different things that happen.
Speaker 3:But when you put it in your body you get the same you get the same, you know outcome there's inflammation, stress, all of that. So we have to address it in whatever way we can. Even though your bodies are vastly different, it's the same concept, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, I love that all right.
Speaker 1:Well, I think that's our episode for today. This is, uh, part two. Part two you'll never hear part one. It's a secret, super secret. Um, we don't even know. It's just for us.
Speaker 2:It might have been for the best, because we were still coming out of our so bad and we were still pretty microplastics we were talking about that earlier.
Speaker 1:Um, anyways, till next time everyone. Bye, besties.