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Salt Circles & Shuffled Decks: The Cards Never Lie
Ever wonder what the cards might reveal about your life's journey? In this captivating episode, we welcome energy worker and card reader Jenessa for an intimate session of live tarot and oracle readings that uncover surprising truths.
The mystical adventure begins with an explanation of how different decks serve different purposes—tarot for gentle guidance and oracle for those brutally honest messages we sometimes need to hear. As Janessa shuffles and allows cards to naturally fall, the readings take unexpected turns, revealing distinct paths for each host despite both being in major life transitions.
When the Death card appears in Heather's reading, it signals not an ending but a powerful transformation—shedding what no longer serves and embracing new beginnings. The oracle follows with the stark message "Nothing will come of this situation," confirming it's time to release past attachments and step confidently into a new chapter. Meanwhile, Lacey's reading reveals a more scattered energy, with cards suggesting a disconnect between knowing what to do and actually applying that knowledge. The Wounded Healer card particularly resonates, highlighting her tendency toward excessive self-criticism when striving for accountability.
The pendulum adds another layer of intrigue, answering questions about future relationships with surprising clarity. All this unfolds within a protective salt circle, creating a sacred space for vulnerability and truth. By session's end, both hosts gain valuable insights about their growth journeys—how far they've come and what still holds them back.
Whether you're a devoted believer in metaphysical practices or simply curious about alternative perspectives, this episode offers a fascinating glimpse into how card readings can provide clarity during life's complicated transitions. What might your cards reveal about the path ahead? Listen now and perhaps discover your own answers in our guests' experiences.
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Hello, hello. We have a special guest, janessa. We love you, janessa.
Speaker 2:I'm happy to be here. It's always a good time. It is a good time. I am excited.
Speaker 3:This time we're recording, by the way everybody. And the last time we had that little mishap, this time we're recording and also, I'm not allowed to touch it anymore, just to be safe. We are doing something besides talking about massage with Janessa. Today we are going into the more metaphysical. Is that what?
Speaker 2:That's correct.
Speaker 3:The more energy side. I'll let you dive right into it. What are we doing today?
Speaker 2:We are going to do live action card readings. I brought my tarot and my oracle decks we are in a salt circle.
Speaker 1:We are in a salt circle. We are in a salt circle.
Speaker 2:We are linked in, we are ready to go. So we have the pendulum. We also have the spirit board for answers and questions.
Speaker 1:Can I grab?
Speaker 3:that it's right on it, we're okay, oh yeah, that's a necessary tool.
Speaker 2:It is because I feel like with how the cards are I was still in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was still in.
Speaker 1:I was ready to go already kind of tell how it's gonna go yeah, you seem giddy.
Speaker 3:I know I'm excited I know, I know my cards.
Speaker 2:My cards and I are very close, um too close actually. Sometimes they tell me things that I don't want to hear. But I'm excited, I know I'm excited for today we have, you know, the protection going. Who wants to go first?
Speaker 1:well, I want to. I want to know why you have three different decks.
Speaker 2:Okay, so these two right here are oracle. This is a tarot. A tarot can not always be as straightforward. A tarot deck sometimes will beat around the bush. Maybe, you know, be a more softer, gentler approach.
Speaker 1:Oracle is mean and you're gonna find that out.
Speaker 2:I also like to use both sometimes, because if it's a situation that needs more clarification we can kind of get both of those perspectives from the different cards, depending on what you pull both of those perspectives from the different cards depending on what you pull. So why two oracles then? Um, because this one is an herbal one and it gives us more depth. This one gives us more of a read from emotion. This looks at it more logically.
Speaker 1:Oh god that's really interesting. Yeah, so how do people okay, sorry, I know I really want to do this, I bet I am really interested in this also like so how do you know, like, let's say, someone's trying to like start off in this? Like how do you know what to get?
Speaker 2:so the the saying is is that you want someone to gift you a deck, but that's never what I've done. Um, when I first started my journey several years ago, I decided to start looking at them online. I would go to metaphysical places and I one day I came across this moon deck card and it's an Oracle card and I kept thinking about it and I found it on Amazon and I put it in my cart and for like six months I thought about it and I was like I think this is it. As soon as I got it, I slept with it the first night that it arrived and then I tried it the next day and it told me exactly what I needed to hear. I was going through something and it was like oh well, here you go, this is your fault, and it was, it was. That's what I love is the being called.
Speaker 1:I'll take accountability with me when I got my.
Speaker 2:I do have a.
Speaker 1:I have a set of tarot cards that are ordered online that I've never even opened.
Speaker 2:Oh, you haven't even opened them.
Speaker 1:I've never even opened them, they're just in my nightstand next to me, but I've never opened them. You should Okay.
Speaker 2:Well, we can ask the pendulum Should you open it, do you want?
Speaker 1:to ask it.
Speaker 2:Sure, let's find out.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I want to be able to read my own cards, because you've read for me, I think, three other times, and every fucking time it's just been so.
Speaker 2:I think the first time I ever read for you, you reached out, and the two times since then I've reached out.
Speaker 1:Well, and this last time you told me that you were, you reached out um saying that you felt like we needed to do something, and I told you I'd just broken up with Lemon.
Speaker 2:And we haven't done a reading yet since.
Speaker 1:So this is the first reading, since you said that you felt we needed to.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's saying you should.
Speaker 1:I should Bring it back to yes and yes, I think it's like a learner's deck too, like it provides a book or something with it to try to help you read it. It's one of those it's not like, like it provides a book or something with it to try to help you read it. Yeah, it's one of those it's not like.
Speaker 2:And that's I mean typically. You can go online, google, reddit there's so much information out there about tarot and oracle. I suggest usually starting with a tarot, because it is a little bit easier to navigate through. You want to learn the suits major, arc, major, arcana, minor and that's what we talked about earlier too. Um, you have the major arcana cards, which are the fool, the tower, the real big, significant cards. Then you have the minor, which are the suits doing this today cups, swords, pentacles, wands I don't know why I can't remember all four, but anyway you have the ADHD yeah, that's what our last episode was about.
Speaker 3:That's what it is, or drama which one I'm excited that's what it really comes down to.
Speaker 2:Who wants to go first?
Speaker 1:let's have Heather go first.
Speaker 2:All right, I'll go okay, we are gonna shuffle and by we she means her.
Speaker 1:So the way that janessa has done it for me in the past and the way she's doing it right now is so basically she shuffles the deck and then as she shuffles, that's a lot of s's um cards kind of just like fall out on their own accord, because she's shuffling relatively lightly, and then she knocked the back of the deck to ask for permission, but like whatever falls out, just like a card, just. Oh god, did nobody see what just fell out?
Speaker 1:oh, that's bad very first card that fell out, death card just saying, just saying, oh, there's two cards.
Speaker 3:That's not necessarily good, right?
Speaker 1:well, I don't know three cards that fell out there. That's crazy. Well, it doesn't always mean what you think.
Speaker 2:It means I've learned that we're gonna stop right here because this is a good one, two, three, four, five six, five we we have, yeah, we have six.
Speaker 2:So death? Death is a good one, because this means that you're in a transitional period. Heather you are getting rid of things that no longer serve you, so you're shutting them off. It's like a snake shedding its skin. Um, death always means that there's either a part of you or a cycle or a situation that you're just like I'm better off without, so it's dying off, and this is when you have a revolution. So sometimes they don't always come out in order, um, but what I'm gathering here is that you're in a huge transitional period. Um, you've gone through some shit as, as we know, like understatement, and there's some things that you've learned from these situations, and now you're on a revolution, you're on a higher road, you've learned a lot of self-reflection and you're in a healing period. You have potential.
Speaker 2:It was upside down Typically I don't like to read upside down cards it can be situational. I feel like this one isn't necessarily an upside down type of situation, but the potential. The potential for you right now is you're. You're struggling with the, the idea of going in a place that you don't know, and so, with that potential that you have, you know, the potential is there. You know what you've been through. You know that you want to move forward with something, but it's scary because it's the unknown right. Spirit of Wands. Spirit of Wands is interesting because it's like the high priestess of this suit, it's like the big mama of this suit. You've overcome some things that a lot of people don't even ever overcome in their lifetime, and so you had a lot of support spiritually and a lot of growth spiritually. Typically, you see her. She's waving her hand around, she's got her wand lit up. She's the night sky. She's wearing all white. You're kind of having a rebirth.
Speaker 2:You're looking forward and you're waving the past goodbye, because it no longer bothers you, because you've learned from whatever the situation is, that you don't have to be in it anymore.
Speaker 3:I like that.
Speaker 2:You also got the Three of Wands and the Nymph of Pentacles. So with the Three of Wands again, she is dancing, she's celebrating, she's out in nature, which is always a rejuvenational period.
Speaker 1:And also what you do. I love it, that's what she does.
Speaker 2:She goes out in nature, goes out on the paddleboard, goes hiking, does all the things anytime she feels like she needs to reset her brain so you're celebrating, you know, this triumph that you've had and even though it brought a lot of heartache, a lot of misunderstanding, a lot of confusion, now you've had that clarification. The nymph of pentacles is also a huge, a huge part of the pentacle suit. It's like the big mama for the pentacle. So this is triumphant. Right here. You have a lot of things that you went through and you feel like maybe I'm never gonna get over it, and these cards are telling you you've already done the hard part. It's gonna be smooth sailing from here, as long as you keep focused and keep a level head I like that.
Speaker 3:How are you?
Speaker 2:feeling about it. It's good I like that yeah yeah, do you feel like it resonates a little bit? Yes, very much so I'm gonna do some clarifying cards with my oracle just to see what oracle says perfect.
Speaker 3:I like this.
Speaker 1:This is fun I keep thinking back to like, um, like, what situations that you could apply that was a lot what situations you could apply this to, because me and you before, because I told you, we haven't talked to janessa at all. Basically, she came in, sat down, we set up the podcast, started podcasting. So we're like we don't want to give her any like preconceived information about what we're thinking about or what we're wanting clarity on and why we're wanting the cards read.
Speaker 1:So me and you talked previously about the things that you were going to like kind of mentally hold, and do you feel like this applies?
Speaker 3:Yes, do you yes?
Speaker 2:Hopefully I remember what.
Speaker 1:I said about Oracleacle that it's kind of a dick yeah, sometimes.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we have nothing will come of this situation. That thing that's holding you back, shut up, that's the one. That's the one, that thing that's preventing you from moving forward, because you're ready to move forward but part of you is still like but this is familiar. Nothing will come of this situation. A new romantic cycle begins. That doesn't necessarily mean a relationship, but that means that you're going to find something that really sets a passion in you. It could be a new partner. It could be a new partner. It could be a new workout. It could be new friends. It could be, you know, anything of that nature.
Speaker 3:You did see where I you can marry your best friend now, right.
Speaker 1:I. She said, okay, she sent me a video that in Vegas you can now have a best friend wedding ceremony that's not legal, legal, Um and have Dolly Parton marry you.
Speaker 2:Dolly Parton look alike.
Speaker 3:One step closer Are we going next weekend. One step closer.
Speaker 2:Um, let's see you also have behold and make the first move. So, initiation, take that charge in, whatever the situation that you're thinking about, cause I genuinely don't know. Um, just came in here and we started pulling cards. So, whatever the situation that is weighing heavy on you, this is what it's in regards to. So conclusions are within reach, which means that you're on the verge of having another. I would call it an ascension, a realization, an understanding of the situation. Work through your fears. Don't let that fear hold you back. Don't be familiar, don't be comfortable anymore.
Speaker 3:Step out you know what direction you're going in. All right, I love.
Speaker 2:This is very, very much resonates yeah, very much good, I'm glad, I'm really glad. Um, yeah, it's interesting because these oracle cards are just so straightforward With Tarot. It's kind of like, well, it could be this situation, it could be that situation. Oracle's like, I see you and I'm going to call it out.
Speaker 1:It's interesting to me because there's like different ways that people do it, cause I've seen like people where they were like they'll pull three cards and they're like okay this is like your past, present, future and then, like you, do it this way, like what dictates what you should do, or how do the cards know like it's energy.
Speaker 2:So you know how we've talked before about everything is energy. It's whatever energy you're sitting in, they will pick up on because they are metaphysical, they are divinely, you know, given to you. That's kind of how you know what deck you want to pick up on, not because I wanted these decks to also have for other people. That's why we cleanse them first with that incense, because it's specifically for both of you. So when you light the incense and you run it through the cards, you're saying this is the energy that I'm looking for. How can we help this person? And then, when I shuffle them, knock and then we start shuffling to see what comes out. That's the universe saying. This is what they need to hear. This is how you can give them that perception.
Speaker 2:A lot of people, when they're doing the three-card draw, it's let's look at your past, your present, your future. Because a lot of people are like you know where have I come from, where am I going? We can do that with a full shuffle, like I just did as well. I prefer that because I feel like it really grabs in the moment and it can really tell us present what we should focus on, because a lot of the time we are dwelling, but that's why you know you'll get the cards that say nothing will come of this situation. Move forward things like that.
Speaker 1:Got it. That makes sense.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:So this is the other set of Oracle. I love how you just laughed. A card fell. She picked it up, looked at it and laughed oh, cannabis.
Speaker 3:Sage that's my. I think I am part cannabis, part of me it's just part of who I am it is at this point and people wouldn't even know.
Speaker 1:It's the funny part well, I think that there's different uses for it, right?
Speaker 2:some people use it to just get high, and some people use it for like pain, and some people well, while we're talking about it, I really like to use it in witchcraft and with my readings, because if you think about it, it's an herb and a lot of the time in witchcraft you use herbs, spices, things like that, for your ingredients to whatever you're doing, uh, with marijuana, um, what does it say on here?
Speaker 1:detachment, so a lot of the time that's funny, we just had a whole conversation, oh you did yeah yeah, about a disassociation and stuff like that and that's like my thing yeah, I mean, these cards are also saying the same thing.
Speaker 2:This herbal deck, uh. So the cannabis is detachment. A lot of people will say you know, exhale the good stuff um, or exhale the bad shit, inhale the good, yeah and so that is a common practice among people who use it.
Speaker 1:Um, you also have transfiguration, blessing, wisdom, acceptance, revival and waiver yeah, that is so weird how it's like the same message, just different and all these cards are saying the same thing yeah, because if you put it in an order there between, like your detachment from the past and from the negative situation and the thing that's not gonna fucking move on, and then you'll, you are wiser because you're learning from these instances. And then what did it say like acceptance of okay, I need to let this go, it leads nothing for me. And then what was the other thing? The transfiguration, where it's like the rebar, it's like it's all the same but it's different.
Speaker 2:That's weird and and it is is they're all telling you that you already know that you're moving forward.
Speaker 2:You already know that you've had a lot of growth. There's just that one thing person, situation, whatever it is that is slightly holding you back. But you know better. But again, moving into that unfamiliar is scary and that's why a lot of people stay in those same cycles. But you've achieved beyond that. The cards in three different decks told us that you have to accept that. You know where you are now. You've accepted the things that you've gone through. You've learned from them. You, you look at them now more as a blessing than a curse and with that you now have the knowledge to move forward and and really, really change the outcome of what you're wanting in the future because of this hard lesson that you went through Profound yes.
Speaker 1:I agree. The question now is what are you going to do about it?
Speaker 3:I feel like I learned a lot through the Johnny Bravo situation and maybe this is the end of that era, I feel like, since we know that there's a court date coming up that this is the end of that era and that I'm finally able to cleanse my life of that and move on from it and not be such a like major.
Speaker 2:you know now that you said that it makes actually more sense to me and I just got more clarification. It is that situation, because you've been apprehensive about the outcome, because you know the light that you've seen him in, but you're still unsure are the proper people going to see that same light? Yes but now. But now you have learned and you know what could happen potentially at the state at this court hearing and you finally did the restitution paperwork finally.
Speaker 1:That only took me forever it took a while, but it's done and mailed off or just done. I emailed it off to them. Perfect, mailed off or just done.
Speaker 3:I emailed it off to them. Perfect. Yes, that's a very long file Sent and delivered. That's better than like printing everything off and mailing when they would. You know, electronic is way easier.
Speaker 1:You know how much that packet would have weighed If you had to print all of that out. So much.
Speaker 3:Also there is like the yo-yo and classic situation just propped back up.
Speaker 1:I mean the yo-yo I feel like is never ending because that's why it's a yo-yo it just leaves and comes back but I'm very smart and anticipatory of the situation, so it's nothing. I think that that's the situation, that says it's not going to go anywhere.
Speaker 3:That's what I feel.
Speaker 1:That was what my thought went to when I saw that which one?
Speaker 3:yo yo yeah, yeah, I mean I feel like I always have known that, but yes, I feel like that one because it was the weirdest situation for me, right?
Speaker 1:because it ended and then it was like normal and calm for a minute, and then the whole thing is the pop back up. It's the pop-ups, it's the fucking pop-ups, it's the hauntings. Yes, and it it's weird. We've always talked about how, like one of the things that like really bonds us as friends is we somehow continue to go through similar experiences at the same time. So like you had yo-yo and classic and then I had motorcycle and then I ran into little p, and it's like what?
Speaker 2:what is?
Speaker 1:happening? What's?
Speaker 2:going on in this universe right now yeah, yeah, it is interesting and I I think you know a lot of the time the cards are telling us what we already know, but it helps to have that confirmation because I think as as human nature it's. You know, we always want to know, whatever the situation at hand is.
Speaker 1:We want to know in detail it helps to have something, anything, whether it's a friend or a person of the universe or whatever I run away from everything and just hide avoid it. The card said that's why I left but I forgot what I was going to say. But it was really important. Yeah, it'll come back, or not. Actually It'll come back.
Speaker 2:We're in the circle. It can't go far. That's why we're in the salt circle.
Speaker 1:Salt circle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it was really profound. I mean, we can even keep pulling and see if there's another situation that you want confirmation on before we head over to Lacey. That's all you. What's on your?
Speaker 1:mind, do you?
Speaker 2:want to ask the pendulum a yes or no question what's what's?
Speaker 3:on your mind. Do you want to ask the pendulum a yes or no?
Speaker 1:question oh, I don't know, maybe you could about classic in the oh, we already know that situation we know what you're gonna do.
Speaker 3:We don't know if you should well, it's already done and over with you could even reach out to someone who maybe has passed on.
Speaker 2:Either one of you See, if they're here, I don't want to know. I think you already know.
Speaker 1:I know she's here. Yeah, she hates me. She's mad because I'm talking shit about her now that she's dead, but not like I didn't before. It's just now she can hear me.
Speaker 3:She has more time on her hands to be angry with you.
Speaker 2:I think it's different when you pass on from what I've gathered when you're.
Speaker 3:When you've passed on, your emotions are different they would either be like my dad, my brother or luke all of one of three yeah, do you want to ask?
Speaker 2:sure, do you want to bring? Who do you want to see? If? If they're here, I mean I'll let you ask the question. I don't know and I'll hold this up and we'll see, or you can ask it a question about a new love interest.
Speaker 3:See, there's no interest though on my end, so that is true.
Speaker 1:It's so fucking funny. I'm sorry, I can't. That's also my problem.
Speaker 3:We could ask, if there's, if Luke is here.
Speaker 2:We could do that. Let's do it. Let's find out. I'll bring this closer, okay, so what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna hold the pendulum over the spirit board. It's connecting well, someone's got a hold of it, so we'll just see what happens this is when having a visual would be really helpful, because they just hear silence.
Speaker 3:But there's waiting for it to uh move or do what? Do its thing? Connect to you, I think, is what it's trying to do yep I feel like his energy and presence is around me, or at least the kids it's a warmer energy and I think I've told you that actually before.
Speaker 2:In a massage I was, like you know, there's sometimes a male energy that's with you and it's just warm and like well, he did wear neon like every day of his life, so that makes sense.
Speaker 3:Neon, yeah, all the time if there was a color, it was neon.
Speaker 1:If there, was a color, it was neon, neon and black.
Speaker 3:Black, yeah, yeah it's like yep, yep, saying yes, that's funny you love the neon always do you want to ask it something lacy, do I want?
Speaker 2:to ask no will you ever have a relationship in this lifetime?
Speaker 1:with me I was gonna say, like you need to be more specific oh my god, they're not gonna get married at this point.
Speaker 3:I just joke around. So much about it like it has to be.
Speaker 1:It's a thing I know because the whole thing is I, regardless of all of it, I still hold out hope, which is stupid. I tell my therapist all the time I hate the word hope, but it's the truth. I still feel like will I ever?
Speaker 3:will I get? Will I find my person? Will I get remarried and find my person?
Speaker 2:Let's find out. I don't think it's stupid to have hope. I think a lot of us are in that same boat. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of us, though, are healing from things that you know Well, and it's a weird time in dating, like it's not like it used to be by any means, and so it's hard when I feel like my idea of love and relationship hasn't progressed with the time. So let me just word it that way Like I want what I do.
Speaker 3:I already know this person, or is this going to be a new person in my life?
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't know if the pendulum can answer that. Can that, because that's not like.
Speaker 3:Do I already know this person? Wouldn't I already like? Or is it someone already in my life?
Speaker 2:oh sorry, I should probably not know it's still saying yes, yep, you already know this person, so there is someone else that you're going to be able to connect with. It looks like interesting will it be in the next year?
Speaker 1:this also coincides with what T says said. Will it be in the next year?
Speaker 3:This also coincides with what Tisa said.
Speaker 2:She said nine months from when I saw her in, like November, will it?
Speaker 1:be in November. November would be a year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's swinging now.
Speaker 3:But she did say, like with around nine months, like she said, yeah, something like that Interesting. So who's came into my life recently like that time period? I don't know what to look. I have no idea.
Speaker 1:I have no conception of time. That's one of my problems.
Speaker 2:I know things occurred, but I don't know when they occurred and I'm not always sure of the order in which things time is different, too with divinity, though, because a lot of the time, you know it'll tell you a time frame, quote, unquote but it doesn't you know, it can't tell you 24 hours, and that's the. That's one of the hard times or problems that I have with TikTok is that they say your next 24-hour reading like, comment, share. It doesn't work like that. It can change. It's subject to change. It could be that maybe they had an unexpected thing happen in their life where it put them back on a cycle that they were getting out of, so then it changes. The answer it's not definitive, but time doesn't necessarily exist in witchcraft either sure, so that's fair you always have to think about that too is because timing is.
Speaker 2:I mean, we've made up time. You know, it's not 2 13 in the afternoon, that's just something that we made up as humans. But when you look at the divine, it's not like that. It's much different.
Speaker 1:It's when you're ready, you gotta have that energy. I feel like I wrote something that says that the earth is randomly spinning faster and now like the days are shorter, or something like that yeah, yes, fact so like, and how does that work with the way that we've constructed time I?
Speaker 2:think everyone should just google schumann's resonance it's earth's heartbeat, it's it's how earth navigates through this vastness that we're in now and it's.
Speaker 1:It is actually what you're saying things have changed.
Speaker 2:More natural disasters are happening, our earth is getting hotter, the energy has changed, and that's like the graph that it follows, um, but I would encourage, encourage you to look at it's. It's pretty interesting. It changes too with the moon cycles, which is something that I've been trying to learn, but it's so harder.
Speaker 1:My my mother used to always tell me because my hair does not grow quickly at all and my mom fucking swore up and down that the best way to get your hair to grow quickly was to cut it with the moon cycle. But I could never remember if she wanted me to cut it on the new moon or the full moon, so I didn't fucking know. She swore up and down because she very much believed like she was a Christian lady, but she very much believed in like the moon and the power of the moon and all the things. So it was interesting.
Speaker 2:That was like a big ass chunk that just fell out.
Speaker 1:I don't like it when you make those faces every time you hold my card.
Speaker 3:Are we on Lacey's now? We I don't like it when you make those faces every time.
Speaker 1:Are we on Lacey's now? Yeah, oh, we're reading Lacey's cards. Yeah, you can tell by her facial expressions, because she pulls you and it's all like light and nice.
Speaker 2:And then she pulls mine, and she literally makes this like oh bad face so.
Speaker 3:Oh, Janessa, you missed the most epic hip hop today on the left side I've been like stretching a lot.
Speaker 1:It was loud we were podcasting the podcast caught it but I could. We were laying across from each other, like so. Her head was at one end corner and my head was literally all the way on the other side and I heard it oh my god, and that's your side yes, and I was like oh wow that's interesting.
Speaker 2:I bet we're on the verge of having a really soon like a breakthrough, little emotional release yes so you got eight cards?
Speaker 1:oh no, why do I feel like that's bad? So the universe is really wanting to yell at me? Is what you're telling me. It's actually interesting. Um, I told you.
Speaker 2:It's mad at me, the story that I'm gathering. There's clearly a lot happening understatement there always is but I don't know. It's almost like you're still in a self-sabotage era I mean, I did go see motorcycle twice I told you they were gonna call you out. I told you she got her leftovers back though I did, I got my leftovers back.
Speaker 1:I told you the universe was punishing me and you tried to tell me no and then we joked around how she got leftovers both times, but at least they were my own leftovers.
Speaker 2:There is that progress. Maybe that's the justice that we have in this um that I got my leftovers actually my justice so the justice card is actually interesting because it can be both good and negative um, because a lot of the time.
Speaker 1:What do?
Speaker 2:you do when you want justice, do you go out of your way to like, really, you know, maybe break the boundaries of getting justice, or do you go about it?
Speaker 1:you know the right way me personally like this is like a broad generalization, I didn't know if you wanted.
Speaker 2:If you feel like answering, feel free. Uh, so the justice card? I don't know. It's interesting though, because you have the witch, you got the star spirit of swords, eight of wands awakening, six of swords and eight of pentacles. Um, the justice and awakening I think are are huge, especially for your situation, because you've had a lot of growth, especially in personal relationships, over the last couple years, and we've obviously talked about this, you know, at a friendship level. But I think the cards are telling you that, while you've had a lot of growth, you're not applying it where you need to.
Speaker 2:That's fair this is so different than heather's because you're also on a transitional period. You're having a transitional period with this star, though it's interesting to me because all of these cards are goddesses this is the night goddess. So you it's interesting to me because all of these cards are goddesses this is the night goddess. So you know, it's about embracing the nighttime, which can be such a magical moment for people. You know that's where a lot of people stay up. They spend a lot of time alone in the quiet. It's a reflection period.
Speaker 2:You are avoiding it. You are 100% avoiding it. You know the growth you've had. You're super aware, um, the six of swords you've had. You've had a lot that's been happening and and you feel just weighed down, you see how it's coming down on her. These swords are coming down on this goddess. They're crashing on her because you feel like everything is crashing around you. I think it's more of a wake-up call, awakening, because you're like why I know all of these things, but why is it not changing? And it's because there's a disconnect between what you know and how you're applying it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:yes, okay, and that's a lot of that's the stuff that I'm working on literally in therapy about actually allowing myself to feel my emotions instead of just like pushing it down and then and making my decisions based on what's best for other people instead of myself yeah, you're having a hard time.
Speaker 2:You are, you're fucking hard. You keep. This is. This is one of the hard parts about therapy, kate, because you go backwards, because you're having to kind of go back and think about what hurt me. Why did it hurt me? Now that I know where I'm at in life, how can I heal from that hurt and no longer carry that burden of hurt with me?
Speaker 1:The witch in this card she's looking backwards, so you're still in that reflective period because you have a lot that you're reflecting on we literally just talked about, like my first actual, like trauma stuff after over a year together and so like we're just now starting to talk about the hard stuff, that makes sense instead of current stuff because the eight of wands it's surrounded by butterflies.
Speaker 2:You have all the wands and look where they're going. They're going forward, but they're still pointed down. There's a lot of angles that this situation is coming from and I think it's more than one situation that the cards are speaking about. We're going to do clarifying cards because it's going to be real fun. Um, for you, it's going to be great. I think heather's enjoying this too, because I'm really quiet just sitting here listening.
Speaker 2:Sorry, this is great um, but I you know the eight of wands. It's surrounded by butterflies, you know it's in a meadow. It's kind of like a freeing going forward with flow, following that direction. You have a ton of support. This is, I think, fresh for you because you, you're not used to support that statement at all.
Speaker 1:I really do not agree with that statement you have support in this room. Well, you too sure.
Speaker 2:But I think you have more support than that. This is showing you that maybe, too, you're gonna get some more support in the future. Um justice, I feel like you've had.
Speaker 3:California. California did pop back up that's a different, that's your kind of support.
Speaker 1:I love. I love how you always say your kind. You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. That makes you feel safe and secure and taken care of. But that also goes with Even in your own right, like you do that for yourself. You know what I mean, which is one reason why You're really good at that part taking.
Speaker 2:I think you're so hung up on the justice part, with your overall life, how everything has unfolded for you, and I think that's part of why it's you keep looking back, because you're like, yes, I want to go forward, but I keep looking back because why did this? Why did this happen?
Speaker 1:it's the why, yeah, why kills me?
Speaker 3:because there, there's and I don't care to know, because I'd rather just move forward and build something else.
Speaker 1:The thing that bothers me is like I don't understand what I did to deserve it, and that's what's hard but you know what?
Speaker 3:some people are just fucking shitty and you don't do things to deserve it.
Speaker 2:I can't accept that I think you have to stop looking at it as why did I deserve that? Because you didn't deserve it. You have to stop looking at it as. Why did I deserve that? Because you didn't deserve it. You have to stop looking at it as it's not a deserving thing. It's why did I experience it? Because it's not always just the people that come into our lives, right. People come and go out of our lives. They're going to be really bad or they're going to be really good. It kind of. You know. It depends, you know, on so many factors. But when you're looking at a situation and you have someone that comes into your life, how long have they stayed and why were they able to stay that long, then that becomes on you right. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Speaker 1:So we all play a part in our demise.
Speaker 3:That's your own damn fault.
Speaker 1:I know, but that's the whole thing.
Speaker 3:I am self-aware, I am self-aware, I am self-aware, but then there's the whole like.
Speaker 1:If you're looking specifically from like a relationship standpoint, it's hard to feel like I'm not lovable, like I'm not good enough, I'm not. I think that stems from early childhood too.
Speaker 2:I think it's more than just a relationship standpoint.
Speaker 1:See, that's where the problem is. I don't remember my childhood and you keep.
Speaker 3:you know what's so funny is both experienced super traumatic child like childhoods and then here I am, Like it's just, we ended up so different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I think that's also why you're the sun and the moon together and that's why you have your closeness with each other.
Speaker 3:That's probably how I dealt just kept moving forward, everything is fine, relied on my yes and, like you know, you're more pessimistic.
Speaker 1:It's fine I consider myself a realist. Thank you very much. It's just that my reality is fucking dark, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what it is. But you, you're hung up so much on justice, and that's understandable, because who doesn't want justice for what's happened?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is also hard because, like at least like with the Johnny Bravo situation, like there were consequences that he has Heather's getting her justice.
Speaker 2:He's gonna get a face.
Speaker 1:I've been all of these situations that I've been in and nobody has had any sort of consequences for their behavior towards me and that is hard. And that's what you're wanting, and I think that's where you're hung up, and so you're, I just want karma to take him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and while you're looking into the past and you're trying to self-reflect, but to be fair, you don't even know, his life is probably so shit and you don't know.
Speaker 1:I literally know nothing and you won't know by design I know we know that he can't have a good life.
Speaker 3:His life is fucking miserable.
Speaker 1:I have specifically set my life up in a way that I won't hear anything. I'm moved. I'm moved into a different state.
Speaker 2:That's great, that's growth, right. That's the growth and the knowledge that you have, and you are self-aware, you are so knowledgeable when it comes to the things that you have grown from. But there is that hang up and I think that's just trauma related, and so that's a lot of what you're actively working on and the cards show it this I also want my 800 dollars back I mean there's a jar for that you can get jen get the tour, the turtle outfits and let's go you also had the spirit of swords she's looking forward and
Speaker 3:broken nail I can't.
Speaker 1:I can't open my energy drink.
Speaker 2:There's a lot happening um, this is why the cards are so chaotic. So, spirit of swords, she's looking forward. She's surrounded by the moon, which is funny because we always talk about how I'm the moon and the moon is always.
Speaker 2:You know, it goes through all the phases, but it's still shining. You don't have to be whole in order to shine, and that's kind of what these cards are saying right here. Um, she's looking forward, she has her sword, it's pointing behind her, which means she has eventually overcome all of the things from her past, and she's looking forward and she's protecting herself by her back. That's the interpretation there. So let's get some clarifying cards and see if we can help you a little bit more.
Speaker 3:I don't know if I feel helped or attacked, both little, both.
Speaker 1:The whole thing is like I've been very open about my therapy. I'm I am such a big supporter of therapy. I very much feel like everybody should go to therapy. It sucks that they make it so difficult for people to go to therapy, and I also feel like talking about it is helpful for me personally, because then there's the accountability piece, because self-awareness only takes you so far right.
Speaker 2:It's the accountability.
Speaker 1:It's the application.
Speaker 3:It's the knowing what you're supposed to do, and also an asshole, yes.
Speaker 1:And you can be self-aware and still make the wrong decision, even though you know that you're making the wrong decision.
Speaker 2:You're watching you make the wrong decision and you still do it anyway okay, so we just used the tarot, we did the moon deck oracle card. It's moonology and it's thing. So this is a time for healing, which is what you're actively doing by going to therapy, and you've had a lot more and the caffeine and trying.
Speaker 2:You're still pushing through. A new start is coming, which we know. Something is on its way. We've been noticing this for a while, Some of this still that we're hung up on. Maybe that's why it's delaying a little bit. Hold your vision. You want to keep looking forward, keep pushing through.
Speaker 2:You know, what you want, you can make it happen. Your energy, the energy for the situation, is gaining momentum, so you can't give up yet because you're almost at your peak right. Because you're almost at your peak right, adjustments are required, though, in order for the energy and the vision and all of these things for you to go forward, can I?
Speaker 1:ask a question, absolutely. Am I supposed to be applying this to my mental health or my physical health?
Speaker 2:What's the current situation that you've been hung up on in your head? I don't know Emotionally, literally everything. I think it is everything, though like everything.
Speaker 1:Such a broad reading because with all of the stuff like with the rheumatologist and being kicked out and then, and then, uh, with all of these like people from my past popping up, um, you know, like it, just emotionally I'm in a weird place.
Speaker 2:Physically I don't know what I'm doing um, well, heather's was super centered on the one situation that she's been focusing on. Yours is scattered. It's very broad because it is everything that you're needing to focus on. Prosperity lies ahead. Don't let your past hold you. I feel like that one's the most important because, again, with the tarot cards, it was saying the same thing You're still hung up on certain justices, there's certain things that you will not let go, and I'm not saying that the universe punishes us, because it doesn't but, when you want something, you have to manifest it by putting it out in the universe.
Speaker 2:Okay, manifestation is like putting an order in on Amazon. When you order something on Amazon, you hit, proceed to checkout, you checkout, you do it. Do you go and stand by your mailbox and wait? No, you wait until the package arrives. So what you have to do is you have to heal, detach from it, and then it'll shoot you into your next cycle, where you're learning, you have the knowledge and you don't repeat those things and you don't get hung up on the things that you wish you could go back and fix or get that understanding. Sometimes not knowing is actually better than knowing.
Speaker 1:So I will say in regards to the motorcycle situation. So the last time he popped up I still kind of had hope that this cause this was like an unresolved thing for me.
Speaker 1:And I still kind of had hope that it there was an opportunity or a potential for it to have the desired outcome that I had wanted all along. Right, and then this time he popped up, like I felt at the end of last time that there was some sort of closure to it and I felt differently about the situation. And then this time it popped up and I went into it saying that like even if he were to come at me and be like, okay, now this is what I want to, and let's see, I no longer would want that with you, because I have now been, I feel strong enough to say I want somebody that's going to choose me from the very beginning and not to be consolation prize and that's the growth that we're talking about.
Speaker 2:So you, those things are going to help you move forward and the cards are definitely saying that. It's the other things where you might never get that closure. You might never get. I feel like, because the way that I feel about it is different, like I feel like that is the closure and and yeah, I think you're, I think you're heading there and, like these cards, this deck said the energy is gaining momentum.
Speaker 2:I think that you're on the verge of having a huge transitional period where it definitely escalates into, you know, a higher sense of I'm more in control, I know more of what I want and I can put more of a boundary up it's the boundary part, that's.
Speaker 3:That's so hard I'm over here stretching at the same time as we're talking so careful, don't pop yourself no, it feels good. I'm like you know all the leg days getting towards the end.
Speaker 2:Last step yeah, I can't get more clear. That is a lot. What the hell it's actually?
Speaker 1:because, they did that twice you re, you picked them up, yeah, and tried to shuffle again.
Speaker 2:Oh, there's more to the story, okay, so with the herbal deck we got way more of a clarification. We have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, twelve, twelve cards jesus this is that is a lot.
Speaker 3:That's a lot. That was a chunk you got like six. I haven't done a big I'm not as chaotic chaotic as you, I guess.
Speaker 2:That's fair, that's actually fair.
Speaker 3:Which is you, wouldn't think.
Speaker 1:I know, because people always assume that I'm like the crazy one. But like you, have it in you, it's different types of crazy.
Speaker 2:I feel like.
Speaker 1:That's fair.
Speaker 2:And there's nothing wrong with it. I'm not. You know Facts. Okay, and there's nothing wrong with it. I'm not. You know facts, um okay. So you're gonna not want to hear some of this okay, I'm just gonna shut up and listen so you, you got love um, can do, it conduit, destiny, rebirth, teacher, initiation, grace, grace, patience, purification, joy, wounded healer and purity.
Speaker 1:Wounded healer Damn. I know exactly what that goes to yeah.
Speaker 2:I actually think I do too. So it's interesting. A lot of what this 12 card spread is saying is exactly what the tarot and the moonology said, but now it's pulling up things in depth. You have a weird thing about love. I know you love love, but you are terrified of it. You will push it away as much as you can when I tell you oracle cards call you out. Look at this, this is crazy. Um, the grace part, I think, is for yourself. You really need to give yourself more credit and grace, and I don't think you you do enough. And I know that's hard because again it's back to those those past situations where it's like, well, why didn't I get it back then?
Speaker 1:um, well, and I think part of it is also like I believe in holding myself accountable, because I can't ask other people to be accountable and then not do that of myself. But then I think I might take it a step too far and instead of like I'm super self-critical and I might you know, I don't want to be the victim, so I wouldn't't heal her. You actually have. It's my fault.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, the cards are saying it. So, yeah, it's, yeah, this is a huge spread. I think the consensus is that you have progressively, you know, ascended into a higher knowledge. Progressively, you know, ascended into a higher knowledge you both have. Where we're struggling with you is that there's still a lot that you have to uncover and heal from. But you also have to, I think, accept that you might not get justice for everything that you have questions about, and maybe you will, maybe in the future, when you, you know, hit these milestones, maybe you will get more of a clarification. That's kind of what I'm thinking with some of this, like the rebirth card, your destiny card, your teacher card, I feel like I feel like you're leaning on other people to teach you when you have the moments to teach yourself, but because you don't respect your own self, it's hard for you to take yourself seriously.
Speaker 1:I just don't trust myself because I continuously make the wrong decision over and over again.
Speaker 2:So I don't feel like.
Speaker 1:I'm a reliable source for certain things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, I think, a lot of what these cards are saying. I want to get your perception because you are her best friend. What do you think about the reading and the things that she's mentioned?
Speaker 3:I mean, I think it's pretty accurate.
Speaker 1:I know You're both just staring at me now.
Speaker 3:I'm like it's just very accurate.
Speaker 2:Honestly, though, I think the energy is heading Heather a lot because we did hers first and we're locked in energy right now. That's why we did the salt circle. So after we break it, we're all going to be incredibly tired after this because I just yawned for some reason you have been yawning and I'm like I'm not.
Speaker 3:I'm interested and I don't know why, because I've had so much caffeine you've drank two coffees since I've been here, I know it's the energy circle that we've created in this.
Speaker 1:That's why we did the salt circle I'm glad we started with you, because my shit is.
Speaker 2:But you know this is why I like tarot, because it's so different between is way heavier, but you know this is why I like Tarot, because it's so different between both of you, but you both are going through transitional periods, and so that's what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying we always are going through the same shit at the same time. Like even when, even during the time period where we weren't speaking to each other, we were going through the same shit at the same time. Like I feel like there it's something that brings us together, like from the universe. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, I think you guys are connected. I think you've been connected for a while and the and the it's. It's fun to see how vastly different the cards are, but I think we we got some clarification for both of you it's because we're not the same.
Speaker 1:You're not the same.
Speaker 3:We are not.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I think we need to like sit on our shit now.
Speaker 3:We can wrap it up here, but we will talk to you guys next week. Check out the show notes. We'll link Janessa and all the things.
Speaker 1:You can tell you're tired I am.
Speaker 2:It's energy work.
Speaker 1:It's draining Until next time. Bye guys.