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Season Four Chaos And Catch-Up

Heather Gardner and Lacey Joseph Season 4 Episode 1

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A guy makes an AI “couple photo” after one date, and suddenly we’re asking the only question that matters: is that cute, or is that a horror movie trailer? Season four starts exactly how we live, loud, chaotic, and accidentally honest. We catch up on fitness prep and routines, why this cut feels more balanced, and how tiny habits like walking the dog or getting outside can shift your whole mood when you’re busy, stressed, and trying to stay consistent.

From there we spiral into dating boundaries and the “prospect” phase, including the 90-day rule, what we learn after getting burned by love bombing, and why phone calls can feel like an energy vampire when you already have a full life. We even pull up ChatGPT mid-recording to unpack why ending a call can be weirdly hard, and the conversation turns into real talk about people-pleasing, social anxiety, ADHD, and autistic communication patterns like struggling with transitions.

We also go deeper on sobriety, grief, and friendship growth, how we used to be “too supportive of the spiral,” and what changed when healing became the priority. Add Florida travel, parenting and cheer Worlds, plus our absolutely unhinged hatred of certain cars, and you’ve got a messy, relatable reset for anyone rebuilding routines, relationships, and mental health. If you laughed, cringed, or felt seen, subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

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Cold Open And Sound Chaos

SPEAKER_03

That was very aggressive.

SPEAKER_00

That was aggressive.

SPEAKER_03

Um But welcome.

SPEAKER_00

Welcome. I don't know why that made me laugh so hard. It it Okay. I know exactly what I'm saying. No, because we just had a conversation about whether or not this was season four. And then once we figured out that it was season four, you just were like so ready for it.

SPEAKER_03

I turned us down. I turned us down. Is that better? It's it was fine before. Okay. I like us loud.

SPEAKER_00

I like us loud and you know what's funny is I would say probably half of our episodes consist of three to five minutes of you adjusting the sound.

SPEAKER_03

You think that we you know why we don't do it beforehand? Because oh hold on.

SPEAKER_00

Because we try to have a conversation and then realize that we're supposed to be recording it. So we're like call up and get on the mic.

SPEAKER_03

I literally told her to shut up, we need to be recording this. And that's why it was also so like, hi, because hyped. I just pushed record.

SPEAKER_00

Right away. Right away. I'm like, I'm recording. No sound test.

SPEAKER_03

No.

SPEAKER_00

Way to start doing sound.

SPEAKER_03

I did make sure that it was turned on, and I was like, oh, it's working.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, okay. So our our goal for season four is to actually record every episode on Ender Street.

SPEAKER_03

And we're gonna do something. Should we fucking do it? We're gonna. I feel like we should just roll with I have an idea for some recording, and it's it's scary.

SPEAKER_00

Your face is scary right now. Because I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like we're gonna go Instagram live together, smashed up, onto our podcast page, and we're just gonna fucking record and see what happens. It's gonna be so fun. No one's gonna know about it, so it's fine.

SPEAKER_00

Um, we have the best intentions.

SPEAKER_03

Anyways, it'll happen or it won't. Stay tuned.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. Stay tuned. There's a 50-50.

SPEAKER_03

Follow us on Instagram if you have not already. We are not the same pod. Is that what it is? Is that what it is?

SPEAKER_01

I believe so. Why do we not know that? Because we're assholes. We're not good at the socials part. We're not good at the socials.

SPEAKER_03

It's because a lot of oh yeah, we are not the same pod. See, I knew that.

SPEAKER_00

You did great. Well, you knew that. You run Insta and I do the Facebook. If you could not tell. I know it. They're different vibes.

SPEAKER_01

But they're the same.

SPEAKER_03

They're the same, but they're dimming.

SPEAKER_00

It's it's just really funny because I feel like people could probably guess that you ran the Instagram and I ran the Facebook without ever us having to.

SPEAKER_03

But they also thought that you were the one with the beer bottle incidents.

SPEAKER_00

Well, apparently I come off aggressive when people first meet me.

SPEAKER_03

I'm so happy that I don't.

SPEAKER_00

No, you have that golden retriever energy.

SPEAKER_03

I I am.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yes. Everyone heard it when you said, welcome to C. Oh, was that one? That was your golden retriever energy.

SPEAKER_03

That's what makes me a good trainer because I bring that energy all the time.

SPEAKER_00

Honestly, yes. I will like I've I hate working out. It's well established. We all know. But I've done multiple of classes with you, somewhere you were the trainer, somewhere you weren't the trainer. You are a very good trainer. Like it's it's almost robotic, but like you would be perfect for like videos. You know what I mean? Like too.

SPEAKER_03

That's why, yeah, and I do I do videos.

SPEAKER_00

You do?

SPEAKER_03

Yes. Oh, yeah, warrior videos, all those.

SPEAKER_00

When's the last time you did that?

SPEAKER_03

It's now all in studio. She has now brought her online. Yeah, it's different. Um, I haven't done it for last year.

SPEAKER_00

Last year I forgot about that. It's been so long.

SPEAKER_03

Last year I did when I was prepping.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Last year was rough. Oh, that prep was. Oh yeah, prepping again.

SPEAKER_00

Prep. Sound like a frog prep.

SPEAKER_03

Prepping again.

Season Four Plans And Socials

SPEAKER_00

Um but not so bad this time. No. Not so long this time.

SPEAKER_03

Nope. I did just sign up. Well, not not officially.

SPEAKER_00

I can't handle you hangry all the time. Well, we're not I'm not so bad this time. No, you're way fucking better this time. I think you get more carbs this time.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, the diet and the cardio have been a lot easier.

SPEAKER_00

More balance. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

My body's responding well.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you look great. Thank you. I'm down 10 pounds. Congratulations. Thanks. Yes. All I do is go on that cruise.

SPEAKER_01

And then just because you didn't eat it.

SPEAKER_00

Because I didn't like the food. And so I didn't eat a whole bunch on there. So then my stomach shrank, and then I don't eat as much now. It works out great. I mean, that makes sense, yeah. And I take my dog for walks because it's been nicer.

SPEAKER_03

So finally.

SPEAKER_00

It has to be over 50 degrees, or I will not take my animal for a walk. And that's not for my animal's sake. That is for my own sake. I cannot order if it's that cold. You're broken. It's too much. It hurts my body.

SPEAKER_03

Broken.

SPEAKER_00

I know.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so there is something new with you.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, with me. We're starting with me.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

I feel weird talking about it.

SPEAKER_03

Nope, because now we are both in relationships.

SPEAKER_00

Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

SPEAKER_03

He's a prospect.

SPEAKER_00

He's a prospect.

SPEAKER_03

For 90 days.

SPEAKER_00

No, so the 90 days, this is very important. First off, I fucked up because I told him about the 90 days. I've never done that.

SPEAKER_03

Has it already started?

SPEAKER_00

No, it does not start until you become official. You're only dating, right? It's only the first 90 days of a relationship. So we are not like an official anything. We've gone on three dates.

SPEAKER_03

But you're gonna continue. It's going the other direction.

SPEAKER_00

Tomorrow as well. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

So tell us about prospect. What'd you guys do?

SPEAKER_00

Uh so tell us about the dates. Uh first date was supposed to be just like meeting for coffee, and we met up at Starbucks and never went inside. We just sat at the table in front and just talked. So something about this is this is somebody that I knew years ago, like 10 plus years ago, and then didn't speak to for that entire time. And now circle back round.

SPEAKER_03

Wait, is this a recycling story?

SPEAKER_00

No, I've never, we'd never dating a girl that I knew at the time.

SPEAKER_03

So just like new uh acquaintance.

SPEAKER_00

We worked together.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Okay. And like we, me, her, and him were like a little friend group. We all worked together, type of situation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Have I met this person before? No.

SPEAKER_00

No, because we're we weren't like that type of friends. We knew each other because we went to school together and we lived in like the same neighborhood for a while, and then we didn't hang out or talk or anything. And then we just happened to end up working at the same place. So we were like acquaintance type friends, you know what I mean? We only ever like hung out in a group setting, never like a one-on-one stitch. Um, but her and him dated for like four years. Um but she asked me to stop speaking to him, so I did because girl code, you know, like there wasn't any I didn't think that I was like flirty or he was flirty or anything, but like they had their own shit. So that's why we stopped talking, and then he ended up not working there anymore, and blah blah blah. But so we ended up just talking because, you know, memories. We were like reminiscing about like that time frame and all that stuff, and then we ended up getting pizza because we spent like three hours talking. So that was good. He drives a Honda. I don't know if you could hear that sigh, but like I heard the sigh. It's like almost a deal breaker for me.

SPEAKER_03

I saw the sigh too. My what kind of a Honda?

SPEAKER_00

A cord. It doesn't matter, they're all awful. Element is the worst. Janessa drives an element. I love Janessa so much, but I hate her damn car. I know it sounds weird, but I got my reasons. Listen, but it's upsetting.

SPEAKER_03

It's upsetting. Okay. Well, maybe his car will break and he'll get a new one.

Fitness Prep And Daily Routines

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god! So it did. Because of course it did, because it's a fucking Honda. It was so funny because I I have been giving him shit about the fact that he drives a Honda. Like the moment I saw it, I was like, mm-hmm, you're gonna have to fix that. And uh, which is funny because we talk about how like you would drop a dude over the type of shoes. I will drop a dude over on.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like before.

SPEAKER_01

I to this day will drop a dude over on.

SPEAKER_03

I mean Okay, draw okay, in vague terms, yes. Yeah, in vague terms, yes. If we're doing vague, yes.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yes. Um, yeah, so one day he he sends me a photo of him on the side of the road with his hood up, and I was like, oh no, did the Honda break down?

unknown

Sad.

SPEAKER_00

And he goes, Yep. And I was all like, I'm sorry, but it is funny. And then he sent me a photo flipping me off, and that made me laugh really hard.

SPEAKER_03

So did he fix it or did they get a new car?

SPEAKER_00

Um, no, he fixed it. But I just told him I was like, listen, we'll just have to always drive separately because I will not ride in your vehicle. He also does have a truck that is not a Honda. He made sure to send me a photo of it.

SPEAKER_03

Like, don't ever drive a Honda ever again.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I get it. It's better gas mileage, but you could literally buy any other fucking car than a Honda. Like, there's so many other options. Why would you ever pick a fucking Honda? Ugh, I hate them.

SPEAKER_03

You're gonna have to fill us all in on your distaste where I've never heard the fact you hate them this much.

SPEAKER_00

I know well, when I was a never come up because you don't have one.

SPEAKER_03

You're like, otherwise we would talk about it.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god, we would have had the conversation.

SPEAKER_03

Trust.

SPEAKER_00

You've never put me in that position.

SPEAKER_03

I will never.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you. I appreciate you. When I was in high school, we were in a a crew called Honda Haters Inc. And like I literally still had a Honda Haters Inc. sticker on my television set until about two or three years ago when Deegan bought me a new TV for Christmas. Like how long. But also, like every Jen used to have a Honda, and every single time I got in that fucking vehicle, something bad happened. Every time, like her tire fucking full-on exploded, didn't go flat, exploded off of the rim while we were in a snowstorm in Montana. And like I go to get out of the car and it looks flat. Nope, it was a fucking bank full of snow. So I get out of the car and I just plummet straight down, torpedo style, into the snow. And you know how I feel about snow.

SPEAKER_03

It's your favorite thing in the world.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, it's pretty on a postcard in television, and that's where the fuck you should say. That is it.

SPEAKER_03

The older I get, the more I distest the cold, which means snow is not my friend.

SPEAKER_00

No, I don't participate in snow activities. There is no joy in snow.

SPEAKER_03

I definitely am like a summer for sure.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. I went to hike and be by water or on water, not in water. That's a whole thing. But yes, I need the sun and the sky and the all of it. The sun is the most important part. Yes, and then so yeah, every time I got my sister's car, it overheated, the radio wouldn't work. Like, and we started to joke that the Honda also hated me back, right?

SPEAKER_03

I mean right, exactly. You're putting the energy out there.

SPEAKER_00

The Honda's like, We got beef. And then, like the icing on the cake is my mother, whom we all know I'm such a fan of, drove a Honda element. And it's like guilty. I hate it, it's very triggering for me. Janessa's car makes me mad. That's how I knew she was home today. I was like, oh yeah, that she's got uh she's gotta do her. I get it. She knows how I feel about it. She's like, I'll park it in the back. Fairware. Because I had to get in it. I had a ride in it when lemon. Remember when lemon and the car was broken down in the parking lot, and Janessa had to give us a ride home. Like, yeah, I had to ride in it. Traumatizing.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's okay, guys. I'm in therapy still. It's all it's fine.

SPEAKER_03

It's fine. Just don't let her see a Honda element at all.

SPEAKER_00

Deegan points out every single one to me because he knows. Because I would do that too. I know you would. God, we're gonna go on this trip together now, and you're gonna be like, hey, guess what?

SPEAKER_03

Like, look at there.

SPEAKER_00

I'm looking there.

SPEAKER_03

Is it a slug bug? A big sss.

SPEAKER_00

I still play slug bug with my children.

SPEAKER_03

Lelament, you can't do that.

SPEAKER_00

16 and 18, and we still, if we're in the car together, we still play slug bug. I love that. I love it too. It's fun. I do not win, in case you're wondering.

SPEAKER_03

I don't. No. Okay, so yeah, where did we start? Next date.

SPEAKER_00

Next date.

SPEAKER_03

Um you eated pizza. You were going.

SPEAKER_00

We uh we went to the onion and we shared a Monte Cristo sandwich. And then we went to the comedy club and saw Chris Porter, who is fucking hilarious if you ever have this chance to do it. And you had cheesecake? And I had cheesecake. And he had cheesecake because you know what? He is also sober. Oh, we love that. He is two and a half years sober, so he gets it, and uh, and he's sober, so that's great.

SPEAKER_03

That is good. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00

He has an adult job. He okay, so he was technically unemployed. And I was like, he was technically unemployed.

SPEAKER_03

After the other information that was bestowed upon me, I was like, okay, keep proceeding with I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he was unemployed because of something against his it wasn't his fault. The company.

SPEAKER_03

So this would explain the time to make the photo.

SPEAKER_00

To make the photo. Oh, the photo. I almost yes, correct. He has a lot of time on his hands. Photographer.

SPEAKER_03

He's a new photographer.

SPEAKER_00

It's a little a lot for me.

SPEAKER_03

He's like a new AI photographer.

SPEAKER_00

He sat on the phone for like two hours straight.

SPEAKER_03

I could never.

SPEAKER_00

I I don't enjoy it. Like, but being on the phone is so hard for me. But like I just can't, it was almost just like I just put it on speakerphone and live continue living my day. It's so weird. What the fuck? Like I was interacting with my kids like I normally would. And it was almost like he was there, but he wasn't there.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, I'd be like, at this point, you come over or bye.

SPEAKER_00

But I don't want him to come over yet. We got on three dates.

SPEAKER_03

Then goodbye. Then he's already in your home virtually. So therefore he's there. It's fucking weird. You need to like bring him over or hang up the phone. Because yes, it's weird.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know how to get off the phone.

SPEAKER_03

Like it It is really awkward when we get off the phone, too. It's like we say goodbye. We don't know how to get off the phone.

SPEAKER_00

Love you. Bye.

SPEAKER_03

Talk to you later.

SPEAKER_00

Every work meeting I'm on. I'm like, how why is this so difficult?

SPEAKER_03

Should we ask ChatGPT why it's like this?

SPEAKER_00

Why is it so difficult to get off of the phone with people?

SPEAKER_03

That I'm literally gonna ask.

SPEAKER_00

So Heather's new obsession is ChatGPT. We have discovered all the different ways that she can use it for her life. I love it. And it's it's probably the best thing for you, honestly. Like.

SPEAKER_03

Why is it so difficult to get off the phone or to say goodbye?

SPEAKER_00

Are you gonna make it read it or are you gonna read it?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I'm gonna make it read it.

SPEAKER_00

She's like, I pay for premium, bitch. Is it making you type it?

SPEAKER_03

I wanted a more condensed answer.

SPEAKER_00

Make this short and sweet, please. I'm not gonna lie, I use uh I use copilot at work. Sometimes I'll write a nasty gram and then I'll put it in co-pilot. And I was like, please make this sound more professional. And then that's what I'll send instead, so I can still get my anger out, but still send something that's not gonna get me in trouble.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like that's not the anxiety-ridden answer that I was thinking it would be.

SPEAKER_02

You were hoping that they were like, this is totally justified. Hanging up means temporarily losing the comfort, excitement, and connection they give you. And you're trying to naturally lose it. That ain't it.

SPEAKER_03

So I'm thinking more along the lines of like Lacey's autistic, and it's really hard for her to hang up. Also, I'm just very awkward. So that's why.

SPEAKER_00

You're trying to teach Chat GPT about you're like, no, you're wrong. This is why. Learn it, love it, live it.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, here we go. This is so funny. I have not read this all the way through yet.

SPEAKER_00

You literally just manipulated it to say what you wanted it to say.

SPEAKER_02

Lacey thinks it's because she's autistic and transitions are hard for her. I think I'm just awkward and don't know how to end. No, see, it's just repeating what you said.

SPEAKER_01

You just talked about it.

SPEAKER_00

You're so funny.

SPEAKER_03

It's not doing what I want it to do.

SPEAKER_00

That's not how I was confused.

SPEAKER_03

You want to know why? Because I didn't start a new thread. I was doing it on the same thread of all of our topics.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, so it thought you were trying to create an episode. I don't know why. We never stay on topic. We try so hard. I wonder why. We try the ADHD of it all. All of it, all the time. You know what I did the other day? I was drinking milk because of course I was drinking milk.

SPEAKER_03

Um, I have videos of you drinking milk.

SPEAKER_00

I know, I know. But I was drinking milk and I lost the lid, which then in turn meant I lost my shit. Because where in the flying fuck would I have put the lid to the milk carton? Checked everywhere. I was getting so angry. Deegan walks in and he's like, What's wrong? And I was like, I cannot find the lid to the fucking milk carton. And he's all like, Did you look absolutely everywhere? I was like, anywhere that's logical. And he's like, That's not what I said. And then he starts looking and he finds it. And guess where I put the lid?

SPEAKER_03

Where?

SPEAKER_00

The drunk drawer.

SPEAKER_03

You're so weird, and I love it. Okay, I started a new chat thread where it was like a new topic.

SPEAKER_01

Did it give you the answer you want now?

The Honda Hate Origin Story

SPEAKER_03

There's actually common psychological reasons. No, that's not not now. There's no manipulation, it's not confused anymore. We are communicating appropriately. Um so there are psychological reasons why people struggle to end phone calls or conversations. It's long, so I'm paraphrasing. Um, fear of seeming of seeming rude or rejecting, that's huge for you. Yep. Yep. Um pleasing they associate it with ending a conversation with hurting someone's feelings, disappointing them, or making the other person feel unwanted. Um, social anxiety or awkwardness, that's mine, because I just like I feel like sometimes I'm like, just end it now. Do I end it now? Do I now? Just now? Okay. Bye, bye, done. Um, sometimes.

SPEAKER_00

For as much as me and you can't finish a conversation, you can just stop with other people.

SPEAKER_03

I do.

SPEAKER_00

You do. You'll literally just be like, and I'm out.

SPEAKER_03

It's weird. It's talent. It's really diabolical when it's in the middle of a conversation and you can see it on my face. I'm like, and I'm out.

SPEAKER_00

You're just not listening anymore.

SPEAKER_03

No. And there's nothing I can do to fix my face. I love it. Um, it literally says autistic communication patterns. Uh they struggle with conversational transitions and task switching.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I'm not good at the like That's you.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Uh people pleasing tendencies. That's why you have me. Because I'm real good at the transitions and endings.

SPEAKER_00

I suck at transitioning. Compliment each other so well. Okay, I'm not sure. Or someone will say something, and I like literally don't know how to respond. Like, because I'm very like on to the next. I feel like I I know I should like make up some cheesy like whatever, but like it's not in me to do that. So I'm just like, do I just ignore it?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. That's where. Yeah. Yeah. Um, people pleasing, which we already talked about, attachment style dynamics, um, anxious attachment, sometimes unconsciously prolong conversations.

SPEAKER_00

Sometimes that's the weird thing. The whole thing is I want to get off the phone.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yours is definitely um fear of seeming rude and then the autistic and the executive functioning issues.

SPEAKER_00

I guess I don't understand why talking on the phone is such a big thing for dudes. And I don't know if it is for everybody or just the one I attract.

SPEAKER_03

No, can I tell you that my boyfriend, the boyfriend, we call him the boyfriend on the pub. The boyfriend. Uh no. Doesn't talk on the phone. No, and I wouldn't like it. Because I see him in person. Also, I want our time together to be what we talk about. Like, I also have a life outside of that. Like, if I'm not with him, then I'm busy doing other things. Yeah. I do call him if I need something.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Like, uh, please call me if you need something. Text me if it's just a check-in. Like we text throughout the day. It's just not like, but I would rather tell you all about something in person. Yeah. Sometimes I forget. And I'm like, damn it, I should have texted that. But also It's a game. It's like a healthy. I guess when I'm gone though. So like when I'm gone, I would FaceTime once, try to FaceTime once a day, but always like text, but sometimes got busy. But it wasn't a long time. It's literally like 15, 20 minutes, like catching up on the day and then done. And that's fulfilling for both of us, I feel like.

SPEAKER_00

And I think a lot of it is just there's just too much time on his hands.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. Does he have children?

SPEAKER_00

Uh a daughter, but grown, gone.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so that's another thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

He just has too much time on his hands.

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Huh.

SPEAKER_03

There's kids yelling, and I don't know if one of them is mine, but it kind of sounds like it. But it's outside, so it's fine.

SPEAKER_00

It wasn't like a scary yellow. No, it sounds like she's having fun. It's a fun name.

SPEAKER_03

She has a little friend Malay up the road, so I just said the name. It's fine. No last names. I'm like, I don't know why I did that.

SPEAKER_01

You just docked a child.

SPEAKER_03

No, not really. No, I didn't. I didn't at all. There was no last names. Oh my god, that was like my brother's laugh sometimes. No, I didn't. Didn't I swear? Um speaking of, we speaking of doxing children. No, my amazing boyfriend. Oh yeah. Um we I finally met him! You did? I did. Yes. Yeah. And we need to do that again. We'll do like a double date. In like an actual setting, not like a not a non-food setting for a little while.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. August.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. We he came to Florida and spent a few days with me when I was there. And it was so good. And we've got to hang out in Clearwater.

SPEAKER_00

I feel like that's like a big step. Like traveling.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. This was because we don't spend like days together. Yeah. Like stay the night at his house, obviously. We spend time together, but there's never like multiple days with like nothing else. Like so I was like, this will be like we'll either get on each other's nerves or it'll be like it'll be totally fine. And I'll tell you a lot. Yes. And I figure like I can I've never for me it's a really big thing. If I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, I'm very aware. You've had a lot of travel horror stories.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. I just don't. Well, not just that, just people. Like, I don't like people in my space. I get sick of people very easily. Not with you. I don't with you. I annoy you actually evolving. Not now that I'm sober, but when I was drunk Heather, drunk Heather. Okay, Drunk Heather and Sober Heather are two different people. Yeah. And Sober Heather just thinks that she had the best time when Drunk Heather came out. And then does it have to be? It was very long ago. There was some very long ago parts, and then there was just that little hiatus after Luke died. But there was long, like a long time ago was when our like the beer bottle days. That was like fucking 20 years ago. 10 years ago? 10 years over 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Not 20 though.

SPEAKER_03

But over 10.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because we met. Deegan is 18. And we met when Deegan was five. So we've known each other for the five years.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, 13 years.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_03

That's approaching. I didn't mean 20.

SPEAKER_00

Our relationship as a teenager.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my gosh. We've been through so much. But yes, the hiatus after Luke, like we were, that was wild. I never realized everybody did cocaine.

SPEAKER_00

I'm like I'm like, what is this? Listen, there are two times in my life where cocaine made a hell of an appearance. And one I was 18 and one was after Luke died.

SPEAKER_03

I didn't realize that so many people, I'm like, what is this world of all these functioning people?

SPEAKER_00

We went down the rabbit hole of Spokane. It was a weird time in our lives.

SPEAKER_03

It was like not like not like the it was it was a rabbit hole of like pillows and soft things. It wasn't like it wasn't like a hard, like it we were very much so fair.

Why Phone Calls Feel Impossible

SPEAKER_00

Like we were on the tippity tip, right? Like we just like we were like the people who like opened the door and are like, hey, what are you guys doing?

SPEAKER_01

Yes. And they were like holy shit. Yes. Yes. And we're like, there's a lot of things going on.

SPEAKER_03

I just got flashbacks of like eyes wide shut, you know, and they're like going through what is happening. Not that far. But basically, um, that was wild.

SPEAKER_00

But also, look at us now. Yes. Like, we at some point we reached a path where you had we had to go left or right.

SPEAKER_03

And somehow we did it. We did it. I sad that we had to go apart to come together, but it's just because we were too good at like making each other.

SPEAKER_00

We were too supportive of the spiral. We were too supportive. And it was- We wouldn't tell each other no. Because it was like actually And now I have no fear of telling you no.

SPEAKER_03

But it's different because we were both in a trying to heal. We were both in a very dark place. Yes. It's different now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. We've done healing time and the sober thing. So it is different. It's better.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. Agreed.

SPEAKER_00

Because now it's like. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, no. It's fun. It's good. I don't know. It's like weird. I it's so far removed from that. I know. Also, our paths were so different. So our situations were so different, too. And I never actually realized that you were like struggling.

SPEAKER_00

Oh no. I thought you were.

SPEAKER_03

I thought you were just trying to numb like you were just hanging out with me because and doing the, you know, just because Luke died and you were just being a good friend.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, that was a big part of it.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't realize that you were drinking on your own. I know. I used it as a crutch to be like.

SPEAKER_03

Because see, I didn't necessarily do that. I wasn't like drinking, I would just seek people to do things and go out. I didn't realize you were struggling alone. It's okay. I don't tell people things. I'm not people.

SPEAKER_00

I know. I knew that was coming. As soon as I said that. I had to wait until I finished my drink. That was the wrong thing to say. But you know, you know it's like pulling teeth for some like the real shit.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

How many people know the real shit? Like, there's shit that will never be said on this fucking podcast. You know that it doesn't need to be said. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03

Um, on that note, Florida was amazing.

SPEAKER_00

Just a different path.

SPEAKER_03

Um, life is so great now. Uh Florida was amazing. I definitely belong there. I know. I imagine. The gym was great. The kids' um worlds was it was a rough go. Did not make it a day two. It was not the best performance, but on to season next season, which Braden is super senioring, so he will do one more year of All-Star because his birthday qualifies him. So him and Lily will be on the same worlds team, hopefully, if they both make the team. We'll see.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, because they have to re-audition everything.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, they're doing that right now. They're going through um tryouts right now.

SPEAKER_00

And then your kids are so hardcore. Like, it's so funny. Like, your kids are like, they live a very similar lifestyle to you, where it's regimented and they have routines and they work out and they eat good, and like you know what I mean? Like, because that's the last one.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, two out of the three.

SPEAKER_00

Well, one's her dad.

SPEAKER_03

One is like Luke reincarnated and like rogue, and like Diane was like, it's literally like having a Luke, and she's so much energy.

SPEAKER_00

It's like Yeah, they are very different.

SPEAKER_03

Very different.

SPEAKER_00

But then now also now think of my children, and like my kids just like do what needs to get done, and then like that's it. Like Deegan is going to graduate, but he stopped trying in his statistics class a long time ago.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's because like I pushed them. I'm like, I don't know. I think it's the best thing for them. I think after Luke dying, like keeping them in cheer and nothing changing.

SPEAKER_00

No, I think it was super important.

SPEAKER_03

Because me finding bodybuilding, yes, and me finding my outlet in bodybuilding. Yes, I love teaching group classes, but that's also an energy-giving thing. When I can just lift, there's something about it's therapy to me, it's healing, and reading the book that you still have not read.

SPEAKER_00

Dude, I can't do the school help books. I have I've tried reading three.

SPEAKER_03

It's personal development and it will tell you a lot about your body. You know why you she's like, okay, hey, everybody. You know why she's not reading it? Because it's gonna call her the fuck out.

SPEAKER_00

No, that's fine. You call me out to my face. I think that you or put it on the audio book.

SPEAKER_03

Something about I I cannot finish self- Okay, how about I have Chat GPT give you all the highlights of the parts where it talks about your unmoved how movement and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'll read an article, not a book.

SPEAKER_03

I will say about the parts that I think there's certain parts that because I've read it several times now, because it was healing to me because I never understood, because I'm smart enough and very fucking self-aware. Like, I can talk to myself all day. Why doesn't EMDR doesn't like work for me? Why doesn't X-Yo-s not work for me either? Moving my body works for me. And reading that book, it's normal. So it talks about it relates it to basically our brains down at the end are just animal. So uh a rabbit has like gets scared, you know how it like shakes its leg and stuff like that? It gets the cortisol out and the movement and the adrenaline out by doing that. If it did not do that, it would end up getting sick over time because the adrenaline, and it's a way to process all the chemicals that flood through its body. That makes sense. So, us think of all the triggers and all the flooding that's getting stuck all day, and you're just stuck, not able to move to do anything, and it's just in your body. Yeah, that's how I feel all the time. Right.

SPEAKER_00

So literally how I feel every fucking day. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

So having that movement and that outlet has really allowed me to move, I know. But you just need to find something. It could be just shaking your leg. Kidding, kidding.

SPEAKER_00

Have you seen like I cannot stay in one position for an extended period of time? I don't think that's like I have to constantly like we were watching that movie.

SPEAKER_03

I also think that like I had to apply to the code. I don't think you have to move. The in that article, it talks about a lot of like the autoimmune and a lot of the disorders and things like that are coming from stored trauma and stuff like that. And it talks about like how to release it and other ways besides exercise. I'm just saying my personal way that I have found, but it it talks about other ways too.

SPEAKER_00

No, but I'm saying I I believe it because like but you just have to find a way to get all that out.

Love Bombing Lessons And Boundaries

SPEAKER_03

So whether it's like well, it goes through a whole list of things that you can do to like process through, but you have to like you can't just ignore the chemical dumps and responses. Like, we're really good at masking things, but like your body can only take so much before it's gonna present in other ways.

SPEAKER_00

I know. That's why I have to do the massages regularly because it helps to push all of that shit out.

SPEAKER_03

It does, it does, and I see Janessa very regularly as well. Yeah, I just saw her on Thursday and it was so good.

SPEAKER_00

It's a hard Wednesday. I can't believe you saw her before you saw me.

SPEAKER_03

We haven't seen each other's for three weeks.

SPEAKER_00

We haven't seen each other since like the 18th of April.

SPEAKER_03

I know that's a very long time.

SPEAKER_00

It's literally three days away from a month. I know, and then now you have a boyfriend. Okay. Prospect.

SPEAKER_03

A prospect. A pre-boyfriend. Sorry, a prospect. I'm prospect. I like that prospect. Pre-boyfriend. He's in the application phase. Can I talk about the picture? Yeah. Okay. Yes. Um I am saying orange flag only because there was a photo made.

SPEAKER_00

It was cute, but like I didn't know. But it was cute, but it's normal. I hope it's not normal. It's not healthy. I just feel like it was really fast.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, you tell us. We're just gonna weigh it and then we'll pick back up on this later. Let us know. Hit that button, send us a message, or if you have our Instagram or Facebook, let us know. Do you think this is normal?

SPEAKER_00

How long had you We had gone on two dates?

SPEAKER_03

It wasn't only one date and he had sent it to you. I think it was one date. It was one date, and it was. It might have been. It might have been all that. One date, and he took a fit photo of him and he took a photo of her.

SPEAKER_00

So, first off, I sent I sent him the photo of the.

SPEAKER_03

You did not say put it through AI and make us a couple.

SPEAKER_00

No, I didn't.

SPEAKER_01

But it's such a cute photo, though.

SPEAKER_03

It is a cute photo, but you did not say, here is my photo. That is a weird thing.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, I didn't know if you wanted a photo of you.

SPEAKER_03

I said proceed with caution. This is fucking weird. He's gonna want to wear your skin.

SPEAKER_00

And I was like, I need someone to tell. I was like, is this cute or creepy?

SPEAKER_03

Because I both I said it could be both. It could be both. Listen, listen, listen here.

SPEAKER_00

Well, listen, Linda.

SPEAKER_03

I've been through some shit by a love bomber and I was fucked over. I was nervous because women well, and also Johnny Bravo came on real fucking strong. Do you not remember after our first date? He's like, So what are we, boyfriend, girlfriend? I'm like, what the fuck? Like, you want it, what?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And then it was like leech on, latch on, and there's a reason.

SPEAKER_00

That was because he was That was the winker.

SPEAKER_03

We had we had come up with a different name.

SPEAKER_01

No, I love it.

SPEAKER_00

He is so bad.

SPEAKER_01

I love it. It's fit, it's fitting.

SPEAKER_03

It's fitting. It's fitting, especially for you.

SPEAKER_00

He asked me to be his girlfriend on the second date while we were wasted. And after he had just like got pulled over while intoxicated and got out of it because he called the cop out for break checking him. It was the craziest thing I'd ever seen. And then afterwards, it was like a fucking MacGyver movie. And he's like, Do you want to be my girlfriend? I was like, Yes, because I was wasted, and that was cool. And and then like two weeks later, he was like staying in my house every day. And then he tried to get me to boot a kid.

SPEAKER_01

Do you see a pattern here?

SPEAKER_00

This is why the 90-day role exists.

SPEAKER_03

I see a very solid pattern.

SPEAKER_00

Listen, this is why the 90 day role.

SPEAKER_03

Did he also like to talk on the phone a lot?

unknown

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03

Because I remember that they all do. And I'm like, why? And you don't like that.

SPEAKER_00

I don't.

SPEAKER_03

So why don't you tell them?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, because well, I normally make jokes about the fact that I don't like talking on the phone because I turn everything into just jokes. It's how I cope. Um, and then I'm a the people pleaser in me. It's like, but that's what they want. So you it like I just do it.

SPEAKER_03

I think you should be like, hey, so the phone is really hard for me. Let's save our conversations for in person. Text me and I'll get back to it when I but just like it's a lot for me, and I'd rather save our conversations in person. They'll be so much better. Because what do you talk about when you see them? It's like I stared at you for the last 12 hours.

SPEAKER_00

So And I don't do well with eye contact.

SPEAKER_03

So I'm the worst.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know why anybody would want to see.

SPEAKER_03

I don't like FaceTime unless I'm like out. There's like a specific reason.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I just it's not my jam. The only people I talk to on the phone are you, Jen, and then whatever gentleman I am currently speaking to who likes to talk on the phone. I just I don't get it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

You should set that boundary.

Sobriety Grief And Friendship Growth

SPEAKER_00

I'm just once he starts working, he won't have time. He lives far away from me. He lives like an hour away drive, which I think is good because it makes it harder to say sounds awful. Like I can't do that every day. It's too much of a big thing.

SPEAKER_03

Like it drains my battery. Yes, and it's draining you being on the phone with him all the time. Just saying. It's the same thing. Yeah, it requires the same amount of energy, but I feel like for you it's more because you dislike it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Well, and I'm just always so busy.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and you need some time to yourself. So on that note, I'm like, uh.

SPEAKER_00

Will I do it though? Probably not. I'm just gonna wait for it to be. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03

You never said what your third date was.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, uh, we went to Twigs in the Valley and they served him undercooked chicken. Oh yeah, it wasn't bad. It was pretty bad. We sent it back and they refunded it. Like it was, but yeah, it was pretty bad. Like he got two pieces and one was cooked, and one was like almost raw. It was in the middle. It was pretty bad.

SPEAKER_03

Gross.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and then we went and watched the uh Project Hail Mary movie. Loved it. Absolutely. It's such a nerdy fucking. But yes, because it w it was not a pre-planned event for us to see the movie. We made that decision because we were already at the mall and it was playing. So but it was a bad decision for my brother.

SPEAKER_03

The AMC.

SPEAKER_00

I know the AMC is the only place that I ever go to. So I should have known better. Especially because I just had a flare last weekend. It was relatively mild, but it still sucked. So I was just coming out of a flare, and then that movie is two and a half hours long. So once you had previews, we were sitting in those seats for three hours straight.

SPEAKER_03

And those seats are so uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00

They're uncomfortable for a regular person, but like I can't do it. So I was so fucking fucked.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know how they have not remade that theater.

SPEAKER_00

No, because they charge more than the AMC, they are not as nice and they charge more. I don't understand. I would rather drive the 45 minutes to the AMC than the 20 minutes to any other fucking Regal.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Regal get on your seat game.

SPEAKER_00

Whatever. Yeah. But it was a good movie. And then like afterwards, we're walking out, and I felt so bad because I was constantly having to move. Like every five minutes, I have to change how I'm sitting because my body's broken. We're walking out, and my hip just pops so fucking loud. And I just look at him and I'm like, I'm not old.

SPEAKER_03

But you are. Okay, my hips have been popping too, but that's for other reasons. Well, wait, that sounded really bad. Actually, it did. It did pop, actually, during I was like, oh wow. But um like that felt better. It popped. Um it did. My hips have been like Janessa.

SPEAKER_00

I made Janessa like do some voodoo shit with my hip on Wednesday and she was able to get it to release finally, which is probably why it popped after being in the uncomfortable movie theater. But also, this gentleman is older than me.

SPEAKER_03

How much older?

SPEAKER_00

Like 12 years. Hey, welcome to the club. Welcome to the club. That's so funny.

SPEAKER_03

I love it here.

SPEAKER_00

I know they have real jobs here.

SPEAKER_03

And they're like real men. Can I tell you how much I really enjoy it?

SPEAKER_00

I got invited to go duck hunting or turkey hunting.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Not what we do. Not what we do.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but you know me how I feel about like manly men.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like he's a good one. I have a manly man. He just doesn't hunt.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, you like the woodsy. You like the lumberjack, yes.

SPEAKER_00

I do.

SPEAKER_03

I like a guy. I mean, like, I like that he's in the gym. We live together. He pushes me like extra hard. I love it. I don't know. See, we have other things. Right. You would not find us in the woods.

SPEAKER_00

But see, that's the funny thing, right? Like, I don't want to sleep in the woods.

SPEAKER_03

No.

SPEAKER_00

I don't drop a squat in the woods. No, we oh, we're gonna put the battery. But I like to go to the woods and then go to a comfortable bed with a backpack.

SPEAKER_03

Um when I go hiking, I get an Airbnb and I drive into the woods.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yes. See?

SPEAKER_03

I get up super early, you drive to the trailhead, there's no reason to let you know.

SPEAKER_00

I will do that as long as it won't kill me.

SPEAKER_03

You will not make the hikes I go on, but I'll put a backpack on and carry you.

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_03

I would.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely not. Um I like hiking. I just I can't do crazy I don't know. Crazy shit because my body eats.

SPEAKER_03

I'll send you the thing. It said it was hard. Felina was like, this is I was like, oh, it's fine, it's moderate. She looked it up and she's like, This is hard. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, it does. Sorry. It's like 2,000 miles or 2,000 miles, 2,000 feet up, 2,000 feet down, four miles up, four miles down.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03

That's the one I wanted to do. There's other ones.

SPEAKER_00

If you ever want to like go into Raster Mountain or Tubside, let me know.

SPEAKER_03

I'll do those too. Those are fun little quick ones. Yeah, that's my that's more my speed. I'm like really into the North Cascades and like get into the woods. And then there's times where I'm like, if I die, no one would know. Because there's no service out there. So like if something ate me.

SPEAKER_00

So I also have that thought, but mine is usually like when I'm driving my car.

Florida Cheer Worlds And Healing Movement

SPEAKER_03

I mean, you never know. No one would know. No, I said you'll you never know. And you said no one will know. Those are two different things. You're letting your intrusive thoughts win again. Don't do it.

SPEAKER_00

Sorry, it's been a while.

SPEAKER_03

You're not driving us to Oregon now.

SPEAKER_00

Listen, never with anyone else in the world. Listen. Never with anyone else. Oh my god. Okay. Oh, we are gonna attend the podcast road trip. We are we are going to try to podcast while being chauffeured. Um, that's gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_03

Braden's a great driver.

SPEAKER_00

Good. I'm not a great passenger, so it's a good one. He drives a speed limit, so it'll be like Oh, good. That's good.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know because sometimes it irritates me. I'm like, you do know you can't go and I'm like, Heather, don't say that. No, don't say that. But everything in means our bad habits. I know.

SPEAKER_00

My kids are they drive just as like me.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, no, mine Actually I drive better than that. But when we're in a hurry, I'm like, I'm gonna drive. Or when it's like through traffic, like when we were driving through Portland, I drive through the Portland part. Just because like I'm not too much stress him out or myself. Yeah. I'm really good driving. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

You want to hear something funny? Yes. Well, I thought always I think it's funny. Um, do you remember when I was waitressing and people kept asking me about my accent?

SPEAKER_03

That yes, that you yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So last night when we were at dinner, he brought up my fucking accent. And I was like, I don't have an accent. And he's like, mm-hmm, you do. It's lacy. And he's like, and it comes out more when you get like passionate about what you're saying. He's like, especially when you use that the fuck word. It's like, really? He's like, every time you say fuck, you get a little southern. It's like not even southern.

SPEAKER_03

It's like lacy. Like you have your own.

SPEAKER_00

I know, because everyone's like, I can't place it. They're like, I can tell you have one. It's just your own. But I don't know. It's just it's like a combo of every person I've ever been around because I'm so used to mimicking people.

SPEAKER_03

It's your autism.

SPEAKER_00

I know. All combined. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

It's like your brain.

SPEAKER_00

How do I make an imprint?

SPEAKER_03

You have an AI voice. You like your brain has taken everybody's voice and it like comes back out. Every time you meet someone new, it like filters it. Yeah. And it's slightly different.

SPEAKER_00

It adjusts slightly on certain words. Because I'll be like, oh, they pronounced it this way. So now I pronounce it that way. And I don't mean to, and I don't notice. It's okay though. But apparently everybody else does.

SPEAKER_03

It's the autism. It's the tism, but I love it.

SPEAKER_00

Rhism with autism.

SPEAKER_03

Now I just say that all the time because we can. We can blame it on that.

SPEAKER_00

Um we used to blame it on the alcohol. Blame it on the case.

SPEAKER_03

Now it's autism. Can you can you now say blame it on the autism?

SPEAKER_01

Blame it on the t-tis.

SPEAKER_03

There we go. I love that. Okay. Um and that I want to like record that. I'm gonna make that a soundbite. No. I'm gonna make that a soundbite.

SPEAKER_00

Damn it.

SPEAKER_03

That's so funny. I am. Um, but with that, we are gonna wrap up. Is there anything else you want to let them know that you've been up to?

SPEAKER_00

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, we were talking about Florida. Okay, so kids, Riot, Riot did not advance the day two. They're in cheat, you know, whatever. Stuff happens.

SPEAKER_00

Florida was we keep having our cars break down.

SPEAKER_03

You do oh, yeah. Lacey.

SPEAKER_00

Ash's car broke down, my car broke down. I still have to come up with another thousand dollars to fix something else. But they said I could drive it in the meantime, as long as I just keep adding coolant manually. Okay. It's fine. It's safe.

SPEAKER_03

It's fine. It's fine. All right. Well, on that note, we are um till next week. Thanks for catching up with us. This is a great um shit show chaos of a episode. We just we're talking about it.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome to Season, welcome to season four.

SPEAKER_03

Welcome. Welcome to the chaotic adventures. Okay, we promise the next episode will have a little flow to it.

SPEAKER_00

See you. We can't even end this. It's like getting off the phone. It's the same. We're like, how do you end it? How do you get off? Okay, bye. Stop it. Okay, just end it.

SPEAKER_03

See, bye guys. End of season not end the season four. End of episode one of season four.

SPEAKER_04

Shut it off!

How Do We End This

SPEAKER_03

Now I can't. Now you've made it too too difficult. You pointed it out, and now it won't end. Okay, it's ending.