The Wise Mind Happy Hour
Two therapists musing about the idea of an inner wise mind and how to connect with this psychic space in different contexts.
The Wise Mind Happy Hour
💸 The Wild Wisdom of ABUNDANCE MINDSET 💸
Money anxiety is skyrocketing as economic uncertainty dominates headlines. Tariffs, inflation fears, and recession talk have many of us spiraling into scarcity thinking—but what if we could find stillness amid the chaos? Join us as we unravel our financial anxieties.
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Welcome to the Wise Mind Happy Hour mini episode, another mini episode we're doing. On this Sunday night, josh and I will be covering a topic briefly, yeah. So yeah, I'm here, I'm Kelly, and I'm here with not John, because John is in the thick of a lot of different activities and stuff with his family and his kids. So we're doing a little mini episode and we'll have another one with John next week. But yeah, I'm here today with my partner, josh Baer, our producer. Welcome, josh.
Speaker 2:Hello, good to see you. Happy to be on the pod.
Speaker 1:Good to be heard by you.
Speaker 2:Good to be heard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and today we're going to talk about abundance mindset, basically abundance mindset versus scarcity mindset, and both of these will define. But we wanted to talk about these in part because it's something coming up for us and we always like to cover things like that, but I think it's something coming up in general. It's out there. Specifically, scarcity mindset, I think, is really out there with the political situation, the tariffs that have been enacted and then rolled back and then enacted and some of them have stayed, and all these things. Some of them are kind of like potentially affecting us directly. Josh and I Potentially, not some of them, all of them will affect all of us.
Speaker 1:It's uncertain In this country and pretty much every country that does trade with the US, which is like everyone. So, yeah, it's out there. So we're like you know what, let's talk about it and of course, we'll give it from the lens of how it's coming up for the two of us. But would you agree, it's coming up for us?
Speaker 2:I think I've been feeling okay about it. I think you were stressing about the tariffs last week on an almost nightly basis and I was listening to you and not putting my head in the sand and legitimately just having this feeling of like we're good, we're good, we got this, we're a good team. Yeah, both of our incomes are like a little bit unpredictable because I'm a freelance editor and you know, kelly is a freelance therapist.
Speaker 1:But this is my own business, yeah.
Speaker 2:You own your own business. Yeah, you know the podcast isn't making money yet, but it could. And I just had this feeling of like we're good, we're good. I trusted everything, yeah, we're good. And for whatever reason, you know, in the 30 minutes before we started recording this pod, I think I started spiraling and I was like not, not necessarily we're not good, but I think it was like what if we're not good? Yeah why I was like feeling this fear of like basically over buying chairs for the podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think you mentioned that could be 200 and you had made the comment that, um, well, whatever, perhaps we could be thrifty and um, yeah, find a cheap way to do it.
Speaker 2:And I think I panicked because I was like I guess my internal dialogue was like, are you being thrifty because you think I'm worried about money? And maybe I am worried about money and maybe I get tight around it and I should never be worried about money. And I think I think it's easy when you're single and I think I would cope with you know, I would really never spend on clothes, I think I would spend very little on food and I would spend a decent amount on cheap concerts and really would save a ton of money. And I'm learning, you know, in a relationship that you, um, I want to be supportive financially as much as I can and never really say no to anything and never be anxious about money ever, and, um, just be fully supportive. And I guess maybe that can lead into you defining abundance versus scarcity mindset. Yes, I do think as a single person, it was really easy for me to have a confident, positive attitude around money and I feel together I can do it a lot. But I think it's more challenging.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well it's. Yeah, I mean, someone else's eyes are on your money and're making decisions together that are financial and you have different baggage around money. Conditioning around money, comfort zones are different. That a little part of this episode can be like if you were a client of mine, how I might guide you in dialoguing with yourself around this when it comes up. So we could definitely get into that.
Speaker 1:But to your point, maybe this is a place to define scarcity mindset. Like it's basically scarcity money mindset and abundance money mindset, and we'll kind of complicate these as well. But I think you know abundance mindset essentially, if we take some of that like the more you know original definition of this, it's basically feeling a sense of abundance around money. Right, like you know this, there is a bit of a spiritual tint to it and I think I learned about it when I was getting a little more into the manifestation realm and whether you believe manifestation is spiritual or even if you kind of believe it's a placebo effect.
Speaker 1:In either case, you know, or kind of even neuroscientific, how you relate to yourself and then your confidence around things and then the behavior you have, no matter how you consider things like manifesting what you want, you know, abundance mindset is this sense of like I'm going to be okay, a sense of trust and a sense of you know, money is this kind of energy exchange. Money is this kind of energy exchange and if you get yourself in the right energy you will have and it doesn't mean you'll have like tons of wealth. It sort of means that you will find a flow with it, a relationship to money that is conducive, yeah. And and scarcity mindset the opposite is relating to money as if it's always scarce, it's always a problem. And usually I mean usually these mindsets are independent of one's actual financial status.
Speaker 1:They often have a lot to do more with. They can be related to that, but they often have to do with your conditioning around money, what you learned about it, how your parents related to it. I heard someone once say, like your, how your same gender parent relates to it. If you have a same gender parent, um, yeah, that can often color your or caregiver right. Like close caregiver, who you saw engage with money a lot and model a relationship to money a lot, I can influence how you see it and relate to it and it doesn't actually have to be like if you have tons or you have very little. There are people who have, like you know, a pretty, you know, maybe middle income, low income, that might not have so much scarcity around it, and some people with a lot of wealth who have scarcity mindset. So, yeah, it's um, that's kind of the more classic definition. How I've kind of brought it into my life and I think we've talked a lot about this is, you know, finding basically no matter where you are in your financial status, finding a sense of stillness around money. So let's say, you know I have a practice. Let's say it's booming and I'm almost over full and money's coming in, or you know all these things are happening. Or I just get a promotion at a job. Let's say I worked somewhere else and it's coming in, it's even there. Finding a sense at a job. Let's say I worked somewhere else and it's coming in, it's even there. Finding a sense of stillness, right. Let's say you have a boom of literal abundance, finding a stillness, right Like I trust money either way. I trust my ability to earn money to get what I need and I still spend wisely in that state and and buy things that are important to me, that are within my budget, and let go of things that are not important to me or not within my budget. You know it's using that wisdom in moments of, you know, feast and moments of famine. So then let's say things contract and my you know caseload goes down. Let's say insurance starts reimbursing me at a lower rate or something I don't know. That's never happened. But let's say that does. Or it has happened, but they're they're pretty sneaky about it, so they use different names for different insurance plans and then change the reimbursement rate. So that does happen.
Speaker 1:But you know, if that happens like finding a place of stillness, and it doesn't mean you're perfectly in that state all the time. You really can't be perfectly there, perfectly anywhere all the time, but cultivating a sense of I will weather this, I'm capable of handling this. And if my income goes down this amount, how do I need to respond? In my discretionary spending, how do I need to respond? And finding not so much negativity and clinging and suffering around money. It's really a lot about like, how do you not suffer around it Even when maybe something hard or challenging happens with it, if that makes sense. Now I'm saying all this. I am not perfect at this. I worry about money a lot. I get in scarcity mindset a lot. What about you Do?
Speaker 2:I get in scarcity mindset. Well, what would you say about you, about me, you about me, I think. I think that I generally try to really not spend money but, also like always spend money yeah yeah, like it's this thing of I pretty much don't really ever feel the need or desire to spend money on clothes or like, I guess like new furniture for aesthetic purposes, and this is on a personal level and this is like pre-you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think it would be like I'm going to spend money on food, but I'm really not going to spend too much money on food. I'm going to get cheap organic groceries from Trader Joe's, but maybe it's like I'll splurge on camera equipment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and yeah, I think generally I've had a lot of trust just in like things are going to work out, things Like if you put out this like energy into the world of trust, things are going to work out. With my job I'm kind of going to know what to spend money on. If I think, oh, I should buy this, don't question it. If I'm like not thinking of buying something, don't question that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Obviously, that's easier to do on your own. I know I'm like a broken record. I think I'm being repetitive, but yeah, I know sometimes when you will want to buy like a new couch or new chairs, or maybe you're saying like it would be great if you would get this new pair of jeans and I think I will feel bad about being like, well, you should buy that because that's important to you and but at the same time it's like something that I wouldn't have thought to buy before. So I think sometimes my brain will and I suffer from ocd. I have ocd. I'm a proud OCD owner and.
Speaker 2:I just think sometimes I'll get in my head. I might like, if we're talking, if we're dialoguing, I might have like a constipated reaction where it's just this, it's not this feeling of like if I buy these chairs, I won't be okay financially. If we split these chairs, I won't be okay financially yeah, if we split these chairs.
Speaker 2:I won't be okay financially if, if I let you buy these chairs, you're gonna feel like unsupported by me financially and that I'm a weak financial partner. But it's kind of all these things going through my head simultaneously and I just kind of get like stressed and maybe shut down a little bit yeah and yeah, what you're describing is like a lot of noise yeah, around money, yeah, and spending right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and like different parts of you, as you're naming really well coming up and clashing with each other, you know right spend it's bad if I let kelly spend it's bad, if we don't spend it's bad and it feels uncle Kelly spend it's bad If we don't spend it's bad.
Speaker 2:And it feels unclean and I think I quitty quickly get to the place where, essentially, I'm judging myself for having that reaction. Because I don't think I spend. There have been times I have really gone months without having work and that's extremely stressful. Yeah, we're not in that place right now.
Speaker 1:right, I'm working, everyone, I'm working you can hire me as your editor and I'll work even more.
Speaker 2:I'm editing this podcast, but I'm really good at editing um, and filming but, and directing but um. What I'm trying to say is that I think I've had this like overwhelming feeling of like both confidence in my career, my ability to earn money, my ability to save, and our ability to communicate about money in a positive way and for whatever reason like that all came crashing down. Yeah, and there have been times in the past that we've been maybe less effective and have kind of like, caused each other to spiral.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I think I just had. I like I was saying like this was moments before we turned the mics on. I was like I'm feeling like physically nauseous.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's this feeling of like oh, I've like, by having this like kind of anxious, constipated reaction about the chairs, I've like set us back a year and now we're in this place where you're gonna walk on eggshells. You feel like you like can't talk about purchases. You feel like I don't trust my career and like everything sucks and I've undone all this progress. Yeah, which I don't think. We're in that place.
Speaker 1:No, I'm like holding you hostage on air right now? No, I don't feel that.
Speaker 2:Because I know everyone's so invested in our relationship and wants us to be good.
Speaker 1:No, I don't feel like we're in that place at all. I know you were worried about that, but I think you know, I think since we had, you know, about a year ago, like times feeling really anxious about your career, I think like I've tried to look at it, you know, to slow down and look at it as an issue among my own parts, right? So if I'm feeling so not trusting of your career, like can I get to know that part of me and get curious about it and help that part of me relax? Basically?
Speaker 1:And I think that part of me was saying you know, if I don't freak out about Josh's career, you know this part talking to me if I don't freak out, if you, kelly, don't freak out about Josh's career, he won't be able to earn and support you and then you won't have the things that are really meaningful to you, that you want in your life. And I think I recognize like that's so scary right, like this part of me is trying to. I recognize that's so scary right. This part of me is trying to preserve these hopes and dreams of mine and goals of mine being a mother and really feeling comfort with the financial cushion underneath me as a mom and for my child and all these things being able to feel like I have a warm, secure home that I provide myself and my child and you. And I think sometimes when you contact a part of you that's really fearful about that, you don't have to fix that, create some solution or some perfect guarantee there. It's more like honoring that fear and asking that part to trust the wise mind. You know, like nobody is going to marry a partner whose finances are guaranteed I don't care the situation you're in like anything can happen or like a partner that's guaranteed in any way right. Like health issues can strike all of us, different things can come up. There's always uncertainty. So it's more about helping that part of me, like honoring that God. Isn't it so scary to put your trust in another person and not know what kind of financial support over your lifespan they're really going to be able to provide? That's hard and there's a universal discomfort there that we all face in getting married and partnering Really most of us I mean. Maybe there's some situation where something's guaranteed, but I really think that's pretty rare.
Speaker 1:And once you do some of that radically accepting with that part of you and appreciate its protection, trying to protect my future and my goals I can take the burden of that part of me and let my wise mind find a way through myself, right my soul. Essentially I think of it as and I think my soul is holding the uncertainty right Life is full of struggle and uncertainty. Can I be willing to march forward anyway with you Because I love you and you're my partner and I want to be with you and I know that and can I find the anchors of security within that? They're not perfect, they're not guaranteed, but when I look at you every day doing your work and when you show me the work you do, it's incredible and I see a person who is so incredibly disciplined and dedicated and hardworking and excited about their work and dedicated to networking and pushing themselves and meeting people and getting their name out there.
Speaker 1:No, I don't have a roadmap that exactly shows the money that's going to be deposited into our bank account from your career, but I look at a person who is incredibly capable and inspired and amazing, and that's as much as I need. It's not a guarantee. It doesn't mean uncertainty won't come up. It doesn't mean fear won't come up. But how can I look at the person you are and the behavior you engage in and the way you conduct yourself and think this person is a weak or this person can't handle the future? Because I was just crying.
Speaker 1:Well, you're feeling fear.
Speaker 1:You're feeling really intense, real fear about and the world, I think, is feeling that, like everyone is talking about recession and what are the tariffs going to do to all of our bank accounts and our retirement accounts and all these things, I think you were feeling a really intense surge of fear.
Speaker 1:That doesn't mean you're weak and that your capacity for earning money and being stable in this world or abundant is affected by that fear. The fear affects it if we allow it to, and I think that's a big part of abundance mindset. When you feel fear, can you honor that, can you get in contact with that part of you, and when you observe it mindfully and connect with it, it's not taking over your mindset, you're turning toward it. I think that's a really important part of abundance mindset and I don't know if that would be a part of the classic sense of it. I think that's a really important part of abundance mindset and I don't know if that would be a part of the classic sense of it, but it's how I interpret it, that fear and facts are different.
Speaker 2:You know being fearful about money. You've got to let yourself feel the fear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you do, and the fear can actually guide you back to abundance. If you can really slow down and listen to it from an unfused place, let the fearful part of you, which is usually kind of an inner child part of you, speak up and be heard by you and you parent that part of you. Really. You know like, yeah, it is scary to step into the future and not know exactly what your income is going to be, but it's also part of being alive and being human. So can you both be afraid and be uncertain and step forward and do what you can to protect yourself, but let go of what you can't do. Hand to protect yourself, but let go of what you can't do. And I think what we can do is work really hard and do things that we're interested in so that hard work is easier and less draining, and be our honest selves in making this podcast and doing any of the work we do, showing up fully and honestly.
Speaker 1:I believe that's the energy that brings about abundance and you know catalyzes. You know that energy into dollars. You know like I think that's so important and that scarcity mindset is, no matter what your financial situation suffering, right, this will be bad. It's catastrophizing. It's a type of catastrophizing, you know, money is just anxiety and just suffering. I think the abundance mindset is a lot more neutrality and a sense of trust.
Speaker 2:And the trust is actually ultimately in yourself, right well, I think that's great that you said that, because I was gonna say you just said a lot of really nice things about me and I'm glad that you trust yourself and that you trust me. Yeah, but how would you counsel someone in a relationship where either their partner gets laid off, maybe they feel that their partner is lazy and doesn't have a lot of motivation? I do think you have a lot of reasons to trust me and still it's difficult.
Speaker 2:Still, it's challenging and still we get both fearful, even though I think both of us are incredibly confident and positive and proactive with our careers. You know, how would you counsel someone where either one or both partners like really are like really strong, like maybe it appears hopeless. It's a great question.
Speaker 1:Like maybe it appears hopeless. It's a great question and you know, like I maybe I'm biased, I tend not to think any situation is hopeless, but I know what you're saying, that you know a giant, almost traumatic loss of someone's income, yeah, maybe it's like the breadwinner by a lot is laid off or loses their job, is fired or whatever, or someone's business goes under. And yeah, I mean, maybe there's even the case that there's not a lot of savings, there's not a lot of cushion or whatever. I do think I would start with a bit of the kind of case management piece where it's like let's first, so you can get a sense of literal security, how many weeks do you have to cover your expenses? Are there expenses you have to reach out to the whatever and pause them, renegotiate them. This could be a mortgage, this could be a student loan, this could be a whatever. There's usually an option with a lot of that stuff and I do think there is a really important piece in dealing with that before they can do the emotional work of the scarcity mindset. So I do a lot of that as much as I can, and I put on a hat of like, more like an advisor than a therapist in that moment. But I I know for myself like sometimes you have to batten down the hatches before we're doing the emotional labor and sometimes that is a lot of the work for a long time. You know like if your kids aren't in daycare anymore is, are you asking family to help watch them? Or you know, while you get look for work or whatever things like that. But then when there's more stability, just even if it is a little short term and they're just like looking for work as the next thing, you know like coming to the present moment, and if I'm working with the person who was laid off, we do a lot of like pausing and in the present moment it's like what's coming up. Are you feeling in this moment pausing and in the present moment it's like what's coming up? Are you feeling in this moment Maybe they're feeling anxiety? Where are you feeling that?
Speaker 1:I do a lot of that, more body centered, kind of a little bit of the like sensory, motor kind of. You know like contact, the felt sense of it, and that's often where the part lives that we want to talk to. You know the fear, the perfectionist, the whatever, and you know it's like, let's say, there's tightness in the chest. Let's go to that place and be there. If you turn toward that tightness, is anything else coming up? Any thoughts, any other sensations? What do you get when you just get in contact with your inner landscape, and a lot of times something comes up. You know, I just feel like my entire future is gone and you do a lot of honoring that right. What is you honor the internal landscape, or even for you, you know, like I'm afraid you said, I'm afraid that I've just sent us back a year in our sense of trust in my career Right.
Speaker 2:Right yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we even looked at like where do you feel that? And you said you felt it in your chest.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in my throat, in your throat, that's right.
Speaker 2:It was like a nauseous feeling, right, yeah, something was coming up. Yeah, yeah, something was coming up yeah, something's there.
Speaker 1:We have to kind of be with that part of you.
Speaker 2:Right, you know I don't feel like that way right now.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, what do you feel now?
Speaker 2:Uh, like mildly tired and like fairly grounded.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay and, and we're talking, we're engaging with the scarcity part of you, right yeah?
Speaker 2:Well, with the scarcity part of you, right, yeah, well, I think it's helpful to feel like we're talking to you know, a hopefully not imaginary audience that probably largely is dealing with similar things right now.
Speaker 1:And yeah.
Speaker 2:I think maybe there's this global fear of like well, it feels like all these prices of expenses are going to go up and like yeah, my rate, you know my rate changes from project to project and I'm sure a lot of people can relate where either it's like my income is staying the same or even has gone down a little bit yeah, which mine just did, like I'm happy to be employed right now, but I'm making less than I did on the last project and yeah it feels like everything is just getting more expensive all the time.
Speaker 2:so it's like sometimes it's this emotional feeling of like something's got to give, like how long can I keep up the sham, like the charade that I've got it all together and yeah, still, somehow, most of the time, or all the time, I would say when I'm making money, I'm saving.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But then there's this part of me of like, well, that's going to change. If, like, everything keeps getting more expensive, like eventually the balance is going to shift and I'm going to be hemorrhaging money and I don't know. But then I like feel almost the security and the fact that, like everyone around me is kind of dealing with the same thing, and it's like either the world is going to end, which would be really really bad, or we're like all going to figure it out as like a society, and I like to put my eggs in that second basket.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like, the system can't hold if, like, everyone is just not okay, yeah, like some, you know, that's just not gonna work yeah, and like what you're saying, all that is true and there can be a different energy you bring to that right where it's like in this moment I'm saving x percentage of my income and you're incredibly naturally gifted at saving.
Speaker 2:I know I get stressed when you start to plan because I think I do a lot.
Speaker 1:You do it naturally yeah, and you don't need the plan as much, which I respect for sure, but I think you know the realization that, like I'm doing this now and that's my intention and this is in line with my values in terms of financial security will I always have this opportunity to save in this way and do this? Probably not, you know, it will ebb and it will flow. I heard someone once say like nothing comes and goes like money, you know like right, it's constantly moving totally.
Speaker 2:And why am I saving?
Speaker 1:maybe for a time when I'm unable to save and I can fall back on the savings yeah or for some, or for emergency fund yeah, but I'm saving now I could just be happy that I'm doing that yeah, well, right, and it's like but. But I think there is a dialectic you know, can I be happy and find some security in that and also open to it isn't a guarantee and nothing will be.
Speaker 2:Can I?
Speaker 1:live in that tension. Yeah, and still love myself, feel joy, open up to the world. And it's hard, it's like really hard to do it.
Speaker 2:There's a freedom and simplicity in saying that, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like admitting that, like there's a part of simplicity in saying that though, yeah, like admitting that, like there's a part of me that wants to convince you that it is certain, yeah, and admitting that it's not, but I still feel the sense of like you know, here I am, I'm just like doing what I do and this is what I should be doing, and I'm editing and I'm networking and I'm going out in the world and putting my energy out into the world, and that tends to bring me jobs, and I'm spending on what I feel I need to spend on, and you know, my bank account goes up while I'm working and just let go, just yeah, I don't know what my work will be next year or even the second half of this year, but yeah, cause you're a freelance, that's you work on jobs that come along.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I think I mean in our work we have to do it more than a lot of people, or like we're confronted with this reality more, I would say, instead of like I, I would say instead of like I think everybody's doing it because you can always get laid off from a company or or a million things can happen. But I think, yeah, we're confronted with this reality that like it's not guaranteed and it's ever flowing and changing, and we could look at that as a shitty thing or we could look at it as kind of an opportunity to constantly reinforce, like lose touch with and come back to this reality, right, that it is uncertain and you have to find your soul amidst that totally you don't get to get it all guaranteed and safe and then the guarantee is that we're not going to be on this earth forever.
Speaker 2:So my as well, you know my as well. Find as much equilibrium and trust in the process as we're here. Why not? There's no downside. Yeah, trusting never makes me worse at earning. I don't think.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't think it makes me lazy, I think it just makes me less panicked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, totally. And you know it's funny. Like suddenly I'm thinking this is maybe a little bit of a not graceful segue.
Speaker 1:No-transcript, like when I buy this next thing I'll be good and need to realize like the point is to start to get comfortable in the there's no good, there's no or not, there's no good, but there's no good. There's no or not, there's no good, but there's no arrival at safety. It's abundance mindset, and the stillness is like can I be out in the middle of the ocean and be trusting and be still and come back to myself, rather than reach for all these things in the outside world? That's often what abundance mindset is, and the idea is, things come to you, right, you're not reaching out for them. We'll talk more about this in later episodes too, when we talk about actual manifestation and whether we think of it as, again, placebo effect or spiritual or whatever. It's more can the connection be to yourself, to your wise mind, and that's what brings the work to you, the opportunities to you. You know the abundance to you, cultivating a certain energy within yourself, and I noticed like if I'm kind of itching to buy things, I'm usually out of that state.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like, like the metaphor being in the middle of the ocean yeah because, literally, my editing software wouldn't even work, it would get water damage. I probably, you know, can't use my iphone. I'm not yeah able to effectively network. There might not even be a lot of other people in the ocean to network with.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because the sharks probably, you know, aren't hiring.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You got to just like float.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and eventually maybe I'll come to shore.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Who knows where I'm going to be, but yeah, yeah, floating seems nice, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's like it's always a coming back to yourself. I mean, that's a lot of the work I do in general with people is like, when you're triggered, when you're struggling, what does it look? More we come back to it and find it again. Like the tighter our connection to it is, the more solid and deep is. So you know these things in life will break you, apart from yourself, and when you come back you'll be more whole, you know forever. And I think, yeah, money, anxiety, money, pain is no different. You know it can be an opportunity to further let go of like external things and find yourself. I believe that personally. I don't know if everybody believes that, but I think it's been an important thing for me, like when I notice I'm in scarcity mindset, there is an opportunity there, you know, to get to know what's going on for me.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And let go of some form of clinging Sure.
Speaker 2:Can you let go of the panic yeah?
Speaker 1:Can you?
Speaker 2:let go of the fact that you felt the panic.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you're human. You don that, you felt the panic?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's fine. Yeah, yeah, who doesn't panic about money? Right, everyone. It's pretty sus if you don't yeah you need it.
Speaker 1:You need it yeah yeah, really rich yeah, so, yeah, I mean, we're always flowing in and out of this state, but we're both trying to have this now and always. But, yeah, I think the world seems to be in a scarcity place in general.
Speaker 2:So well, it got to me today yeah, and that's okay, but I'm reconnecting, as you said, and possibly stronger than before my breakdown so yeah, yeah, hopefully, yeah no, I am yeah, I am.
Speaker 1:I think this was therapeutic okay, good, good, and yeah, I know we didn't really dip around too much in this episode and yeah, not no humor, maybe it wasn't as entertaining, but we're missing John, we're missing, john, we're missing John, we need John, our comedic relief.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but no, that's not therapeutic for me. To like reconnect to this mindset and yeah, I mean god, it can be small things that take you out of this too. You know, being around people that are in scarcity mindset, being steeped in their energy, can be tough for me. I can start to feel really panicked. If it's friends, if it's a client, if it's you know, sometimes it can trigger me. Or people that just objectively have a lot more money than me sure, yeah. Or you know sometimes it can trigger me. Or people that just objectively have a lot more money than me sure, yeah. Or you know resources given to them or that they've earned or whatever.
Speaker 1:I can definitely get in that place and then if they're stressing about money, that's like the worst like I'm absolutely fucked yeah, exactly, yeah but we're not yeah we're unfucked and I think I really. I mean maybe this is controversial and I'm sure people will disagree with me, but I try to think like, if you're in the non-judgmental place, right, like stepping away from the idea of you're fucked or okay and more like where am I and non-judgmentally describing that I'm scared from and living from that place.
Speaker 1:I feel fear. I'm scared. It's fine I'm scared and what do I need to do? Right? What's my picture, my financial picture, and what does saving if that's even possible look like? And spending, and where do I need to take some action? And some of the action is soothing the part of me that's tweaking out.
Speaker 2:Smell some tea. Yeah, oh, I do that yeah.
Speaker 1:Smell tea when I'm tweaking out Sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, listen to the smile.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally so. Yeah, I mean, that's not the last word on abundance and scarcity mindset, and I'm sure people would define it in other ways, but that's kind of how it's come up for us in our relationship, for me personally, um, and yeah, I would be so curious to hear what john thinks about this. Hopefully he'll listen to this episode and we can further bring this concept into to later episodes with all three of us totally yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, if people want to reach out with you know fearless feedback on, uh, what we've shared where can they reach you, ke yeah you can reach me at kkpsychotherapycom and yeah, I have a contact me page.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you can shoot me an inquiry there. And yeah, I mean I welcome all feedback. If you have a different definition of these things, I'm so interested in that. Or, yeah, if you want to work with me or just like be in dialogue with me, I live for that. So, yeah, please do reach out. And where can people reach you if they want to work with you?
Speaker 2:or contact you JoshBearFilmscom. That's J-O-S-H-B-A-Y-E-R Films F-I-L-M-Scom. My contact info is there. You can reach me.
Speaker 1:Okay, thank you so much for listening with us and we will see you next week.
Speaker 2:See you next week. Thank you, dj Blanketfortz, for the outro music.
Speaker 1:Yes, thank you. Okay, bye everyone, bye, bye. Wise Mind Happy Hour podcast is for entertainment purposes only, not to be treated as medical advice. If you are struggling with your mental health, please seek medical attention or counseling.