The Wise Mind Happy Hour
Two therapists musing about the idea of an inner wise mind and how to connect with this psychic space in different contexts.
The Wise Mind Happy Hour
The Wise World of ♌️ Human Design ⛎
Imagine a system that claims to unlock your personal operating potential based solely on your birth details. Is Human Design a profound tool for self-knowledge or just another flavor of spiritual window dressing? We dive into this fascinating personality system that blends astrology, ancient wisdom traditions, and modern physics to create what proponents call your "energetic blueprint."
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Welcome to the Wise Mind Happy Hour podcast. I'm Jon, as always joined by Kelly, yeah, welcome. Welcome. We're glad you're here with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're so glad you're here with us and yeah, we're going to talk today about an interesting topic. We'll get to it in a bit. We're going to talk about human design, design which is maybe not something everyone is familiar with. We're not even necessarily completely bought into it, but we figured it would be an interesting discussion, lead to an interesting discussion. So we'll talk about what it is. We'll look at our charts, because it's like in astrology, you have a chart in this, um, in this, what paradigm yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was almost the article you gave me. I know less about it, okay, and more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was pretty brief and the guy was pretty skeptical about it. But which I like yeah, which I thought would be nice. It would lead us into a nice discussion about it. Um, but yeah, we'll, we'll get into all that. But, john, what's been going on with you this past week?
Speaker 1:well as you can tell. Well, nobody can tell because they can't see me, but you can see me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The Bucs are in the playoffs, so that's huge. Wow For me.
Speaker 4:Milwaukee Bucs yeah.
Speaker 1:And then they got smoked on Saturday so they lost big time. So that was brutal.
Speaker 2:I hate to see it um, but playoff basketball's here, so my family's excited about it.
Speaker 1:So, and your family? They're all bucks fans. Um, yes, I would say that my family being like just my nuclear, like me, my brother, my dad, my mom, very much so like bucks fans and then from there spreading out, people are probably more like football, like packer fans okay, like that, um, and your kids are definitely oh yeah, they're into it, uh, but they just like basketball in general.
Speaker 1:So this is like a fun time of year with the playoffs happening, because there's literally a game on every day for probably the next month and a half really, and what channel or like what? They're all over the place like tnt, and we have youtube tv, so we can have live tv and oh, got it okay uh, stuff like that, but you could probably find it elsewhere yeah, okay, I think this is totally a random quote, oh sorry no, go for it I was struggling to find parking.
Speaker 3:Yeah, around your place jeez I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was gonna say tragic you guys have a hardware store right over here. Do you guys go there?
Speaker 2:oh my, god the crafty beaver. We love it I wish josh spends all his time in there shout out crafty beaver, crafty beaver.
Speaker 1:I. When I drove past I was like man do, I wish I had a hardware store this close to me.
Speaker 2:It's so nice when you need to hang something or whatever and you're missing the proper tools. You just go to five minutes and you're in there.
Speaker 4:I'll walk over with my TV. I brought a full-size TV. I just carried it across the street and brought it into the Crafty Beaver.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I was like, how do you mount this? And they showed me the exact utensils to to use and I we put it up on the wall we got a stud finder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. We said to them they're like, you need Naomi, you need a stud yeah, yeah, so they brought, naomi, so they brought. Naomi out, who was incredibly helpful yeah, and I got the this.
Speaker 4:I don't even know if I got the studs, but I got the finder. Yeah and yeah it's very custom. I feel like I'll pretty much bring in whatever work in progress I have. I'll walk it across the street and then they'll give me the tools and I'll come back.
Speaker 2:What a luxury and they're really nice in there. It's very mom and pop feel. I know it's pretty big.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know that, but I could tell from, because it's just not the name of a huge hardware store. Yeah, so I was like man this would be so nice.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's great.
Speaker 1:It's so close.
Speaker 2:It's great, we love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyway, that was I was parking. If you parked in that lot over there like I don't think anyone would care oh really yeah, there's cars there all night like really, oh yeah, that it's a free problem.
Speaker 1:It's like I've seen like well, don't share too much, don't share that around, I mean that's good insider info to know but, I certainly don't park there, because I'm like, well, I'm not a, you know, a customer of any of those places. I'm looking over your shoulder there's a laundry, it's like a bakery, it's like people are gonna stay.
Speaker 2:You know, I got it. It's like no one's monitoring that got it okay I've never seen anyone towed, ever in all of our time being here, and I've lived here almost three years oh but I did see there is a drug front in there for sure, and I've seen like six cop cars outside of it once.
Speaker 1:You know well. So that's good to know because I will maybe use that. But also, if the Crafty Beaver would have been open, there's probably like an 80% chance I might have stopped in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't realize it. You should sometime.
Speaker 1:And I have nothing. I have no project or anything in mind.
Speaker 2:I do like a hardware store though. It smells good and it's just friendly. It's great.
Speaker 1:It smells like wood. I think it also makes me feel like I could do something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah it's empowering it is.
Speaker 1:I'm not skillful in that way. I wish I was. That would be like a huge undertaking if I tried to learn how to be more handy. And it does feel like, when you're surrounded by it, like okay yeah maybe I could approach some of this this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that's how we started doing little things I've upped my game since the crafty beaver yeah, I think the excess, the proximity helps yeah like, if you're it emboldens you.
Speaker 2:You're like you know what, although we've had disasters with it, but it is helpful to have that nearby singular disaster, yeah, one disaster. We put up a mirror and we couldn't get it out, couldn't get it in, that's all right. And we had to call my mom's partner and he came in within three seconds, was like, and took it in perfect like okay, we're done this is why it's good to know handy people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they can, but he was impressed that we tried.
Speaker 2:He's like this is a tricky thing.
Speaker 4:We almost missed Alt-J.
Speaker 2:Oh, we went to go see Alt-J the band yeah. Which, honestly, I didn't love that show.
Speaker 4:Too much yodeling. Kelly Kilgallen I don't know. Do you like that band? I don't know.
Speaker 2:Do you like that band?
Speaker 1:I don't even know if I do or not.
Speaker 2:They have that song Left Hand Free.
Speaker 1:I'd have to hear it. I don't know.
Speaker 3:Kelly, you can sing it With my left hand free and you're a dunder. Nope, not pick it, you know.
Speaker 4:Breeze.
Speaker 2:Blocks, breeze.
Speaker 1:Blocks no.
Speaker 3:Can't pick it up.
Speaker 2:Left Hand Free is like, featured in so TV shows and movies, and stuff oh okay, it's probably one of those songs they're dining out on as we speak. Got it, you know, even still, but then they played their whole. Was it their first album?
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm, an Awesome Wave.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, I did not love that I will have to listen to this. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all right.
Speaker 1:Sorry about the Crafty Beaver thing, but no, it's a. It's a great segue we like, went straight from playoff basketball to yeah, that's but also I've been into my wife and I've been watching a lot of top chef recently, really I don't know that was still on. Well, it's probably. I don't even know how current it is, but it's toronto oh anyway, so that's been a really good yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 2:I mean, I love cooking stuff. We were just watching a cooking show while we had dinner. Tonight we're watching. Do you watch that iron chef dad?
Speaker 1:I've seen iron chef.
Speaker 2:I've never seen dad okay, so iron chef dad is. There's this guy who's an iron chef and his son has.
Speaker 1:Yes, this was just on top chef.
Speaker 2:Now I know exactly what you're talking about he takes like did we talk about it on the pod? I don't remember. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1:He takes a pizza, gives it to his dad and says like elevate it, right, yeah, or something like that Totally.
Speaker 2:And the dad's really funny. He had him try McDonald's in this episode that we saw, which was great. And then he also made this crazy French toast dish where he took bread in these thick slices. He made these like bacon, like rings, with this thick bread, this raspberry sauce, this like whipped cream, like kind of maple syrup, whipped cream, roasted walnut sort of thing was so good and the dad's pretty funny but, and he's able to elevate this food, oh he's incredible.
Speaker 1:He's like an incredible chef.
Speaker 2:But it is kind of funny, Like he had him try McDonald's a while back and then he was showing all the clips from that in this current iteration. And the dad had said like totally different things this time around, where he's like I give that Big Mac five stars, he's like last time you said you wouldn't order it ever. That's really funny how I feel, because I I think the big mac is terrible I think he said I'd order it if I want food if I need food a resounding yeah support raves the iron chef dad, I'd order it if I need that's really funny.
Speaker 1:What have you been up to? What's going on?
Speaker 2:so we, we did finally get our car after congrats which is great, thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much um thanks john yeah, a lot of hard work went into it and it yeah, it took a lot out of us. We spent the entire day there, saturday, and still didn't have it. We ended up selling, instead of trading in our other car. We ended up selling it to carmax, which I don't know. If you've ever done this, I I apparently. I think this is what I would do next time, because they give you a, they tend to give you a better deal okay, I've never sold to them and they're really nice, like dealing with them was so pleasant.
Speaker 2:The guy was like looking through, they appraise your car and it takes like a while. And the guy was like you know everything. It was nice.
Speaker 2:He was like everything's running well in the car, like the system is good he's like but of course it is because it's a toyota and we were like okay, great. And then he's like but there's rust on the outside, rust on the front, rust on this part, and then rust in this area means that he looks at us with a big smile. He's like I mean, it's rusted all the way through. And we're like okay, he's just like rusted it's just all over she's like rusted through, it was like time to go.
Speaker 2:So they for that reason they gave us pretty much the same rate as the trade-in. But the dealer had recommended we go there because he's like our new trade-in guy is such a low baller, he's like get a better deal at carmex he kind of like secretly, was like just go over there.
Speaker 1:Well, that's like good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which was nice that he did that. So we went there. That took a while. We sold it. We were exhausted. When we got home, josh like slept for two hours. We were so exhausted and drained.
Speaker 4:It's really exhausting.
Speaker 2:To wait in a room with incandescent lighting yeah, especially if you're slightly hung over, and I think also, if you're like, anxious because like yeah, anxiety I step into the dealership, I'm like, I feel like I'm literally in the principal's office like they're about to tell me, like you don't have this document, like that I was supposed to know about you're gonna be in trouble and now I'm in trouble, and now I'm embarrassed and I'm in trouble and I'm inconveniencing them, which happened like six times in this process. I forgot the checkbook.
Speaker 3:Do you think you?
Speaker 4:how often do you think I'm going to bring my checkbook?
Speaker 1:Not that, probably never.
Speaker 4:I mean, yeah, there's, there's very. Do you forget your check?
Speaker 1:There's very few things to do in life. How often do you forget your checkbook? There's very few things to do in life, and only having done it excuse me multiple times have I encoded to know that you can't pay for a car with a credit card. Yeah, so, like, trust me, it wouldn't even occur to me to take your checkbook, but it's only because I've purchased a car a few times where it's like oh right, you have to bring a check totally to do this. You live and you learn.
Speaker 4:I brought a checkbook when I got our rings, our wedding bands, yeah, and he was so impressed shout out, keith snimmerman. Yeah, he was so impressed. He's like, oh, you brought a checkbook and he's like you could have done zell. So I think now, when I went and we, I was able to put the deposit down with my debit card. So I had actually thought about bringing my checkbook and I was like, oh, what's the point?
Speaker 4:yeah, make me do it last time and then I felt like an idiot loser because we had to drive 45 minutes back. It was a 45 five minute drive away 45, and then it was 90 minutes of pointless driving yeah, because I forgot the checkbook and I had to cancel a client.
Speaker 2:Kelly had to cancel three clients and she told me how much money we were losing. I shouldn't have done that Because of my mistake.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was bleak.
Speaker 2:I felt guilty about that too, because I hate canceling on people last minute.
Speaker 4:I felt guilty. I felt so much guilt, but we were stuck Like I felt so much guilt.
Speaker 2:But we were stuck. Like we said to him, can we come back tomorrow? And he was like no we're not open.
Speaker 1:It needs to be off the floor it needs to.
Speaker 2:So, whatever we got it, I'm so happy we have it, but it was really Sounds like a struggle, though. Yeah, no-transcript dollars I'm sure your price yeah and he's like he just goes.
Speaker 1:It's gonna destroy the auto industry like with a straight face, it's just gonna destroy my life kind of me.
Speaker 4:I think his thought is that they won't stick um wouldn't, that be nice huh, yeah, his name was jesus, yeah okay, he was great yeah, he was great I was like this is a bold name choice, yeah I just wanted to say jesus says the tariffs won't stay
Speaker 2:exactly, exactly, but yeah he was like he's saying it's such a mess and he was saying now like if they have a he was even he goes. My brother works at dodge, which is like an american company. He's like they're having issue where it's like if they have a part, it often goes several places so it'll go be imported on several fronts and it's tariffed at each stop. He's like apart this 500 is then suddenly 1900 wow he's like it's a mess.
Speaker 2:I was like yikes. But he's like but good news is, you guys don't have to worry about it. And I was like, yeah, it sounds like it's not gonna be great for the economy no, it's just not good at all just not gonna. We don't have to get into that, but yeah anyway. So that was most of like my memory of the last and you're still like hung over from that experience totally totally and what. I don't even know what else we did before that. Who was I before?
Speaker 1:yeah, there was no life before that. There was nothing before that. Yeah, was there a Friday?
Speaker 3:night.
Speaker 1:There was nothing. Did we do anything?
Speaker 4:Friday night we went to. What was that Torchio have?
Speaker 2:you ever been to Torchio Pasta Bar?
Speaker 1:No, where's that?
Speaker 2:It's in River North. Josh and I couldn't figure out who had been told we should go to this place, because Josh was like I can't believe, I wonder why you wanted to come here. I'm like I didn't believe, I wonder why you wanted to come here. I'm like I didn't want to come here.
Speaker 4:You wanted to come here. You like Italian, it was on our list Wait how do you spell?
Speaker 2:it T-O-R-C-H-I-O.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So the pasta was pretty good.
Speaker 4:I don't even know if that's real Italian.
Speaker 1:I don't know either. It sounds almost familiar.
Speaker 4:But I don't know, should we up? Maybe I'm slandering. No, no, it's georgio.
Speaker 2:yeah it was like we went in there we couldn't get a rest till 9 30 so we went for dinner at 9 30 and it was like they were playing the craziest, like old man music, like like sinatra music really loud no not at all more like the bull is back in town oh, okay like so loud, josh, and I couldn't hear other, and it's supposed to be like a nice place.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:People were almost getting like rowdy. It was like it felt like Like a bar.
Speaker 1:He's like older man, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like also an Italian restaurant.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting.
Speaker 2:I was like this is a strangest vibe. Yeah, and it was way too loud, the music.
Speaker 3:And it was very like that classic rock like, and there was someone who really wanted to be playing it because we could hear the ipod scanning yeah, from song to song till they got yeah, I was gonna say, was there a song?
Speaker 1:that was there like a touch tunes or something in there or somebody was controlling the music in the kitchen in the back, just like going through to get to their favorite like deaf leopard song.
Speaker 2:It was like whoa, when we're trying to have like a nice dinner, I was like this is not what I'm used to these days of these places that are like nice. But the pasta was pretty good, but yeah. And then, as we're leaving, some guy who seems like a random guy at the bar. He's like thanks, guys, take care, thanks for coming and I was like he was the owner the place, because he said it in such a natural way he's the maitre d he's like, or he's like some guy who just goes there like he was coming us hooting and hollering, yeah, all the night long.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was like rowdy irregular, strange.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe it was like their saturday late night. We kind of party it up. But I wasn't loving it, especially after our day at the dealership oh, you did that the the day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were doing that saturday remember?
Speaker 2:oh, I don't know. I thought it was the saturday, wasn't as?
Speaker 4:bad. We were exhausted, but I don't think we were fully broken yet yeah, we broke yesterday yeah, yeah, we're piecing it back together.
Speaker 2:Sounds rough back together and you have the car and we have the car and the car is great. We had such an old car. It's so nice to have the automatic keys. Yeah, to have like no rust no rust. No rust, which I think is from parking it outside in chicago for years.
Speaker 1:Well for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:The elements are going to get to that car?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they got it, but I never had any like rats or anything. You know how people have that problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, People do get that problem. Yeah, I feel like we had an old coworker who had that problem.
Speaker 3:Yeah, shout out to Anna Seelander.
Speaker 1:They were like chewing her wires in her engine Rats all the way through. Like that's so gross.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so gross, crazy. I think there's certain cars they do that on, maybe the Prius. The Prius people steal those catalytic converters.
Speaker 3:Wait, do we?
Speaker 2:have a catalytic converter.
Speaker 1:I thought it was the Kias. Oh Kia, I thought for a while it was like the Kias that were having an issue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe, maybe that's what it is in Chiatakia. Yeah, wow, crazy world out there, man.
Speaker 1:It's crazy, but anyway I'm glad that you can live to tell the tale. Yeah, you made it through, we made it through.
Speaker 4:No death.
Speaker 2:No death. We made it through no death, no death.
Speaker 4:We made it through.
Speaker 2:We have to give a google review to the guy who's I know, I know five stars yeah, he was a nice guy.
Speaker 4:That's very nice, he said.
Speaker 2:He said he doesn't treat women and men differently, because every time he sees a woman at his dealership he thinks of his daughter, who's apparently like a lawyer shark, and I was like, okay, I like this guy.
Speaker 1:He's like seems like a straight shooter yeah, so it's good that you give the review yeah, we should do that. I'm pretty bad at that oh, I'm horrible.
Speaker 4:I kind of never do it yeah, but he might be worth it. Yeah, if I do one a year, he'll get my one yeah, I feel like I fib.
Speaker 1:I would tell people, yes, I will give you the review, oh that's what. And then I just I tell people probably not, I think the review, oh that's what.
Speaker 3:And then I just I tell people?
Speaker 4:probably not. I think I'm gonna think about it and then I won't do it. I'm gonna write it down on my list and then I'm not gonna I wish I yeah, yeah, did it more.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. I promised the people at the t-mobile store that I would do it and every time I drove past that store I had like a sinking feeling like it's not too late, never gonna do it. That was years ago.
Speaker 2:They probably don't even work there find them find those people, invite them to the wedding find those t-mobile people is t-mobile still store yeah, I actually think I'm gonna get a new phone from them soon oh, wow interesting because I was trying to like panic that's still a service provider. Honestly, I think it's pretty good service that's great I love it, that's awesome I think it. I think it got a bad rap unfairly did it? I don't know like at&t. I feel like I'm next to people with at&t all the time and they're like I don't need cars, yeah I had bad with yeah, bad experience with at&t.
Speaker 1:And even before that, I had a bad experience with Sprint.
Speaker 2:Don't even get me started. Oh God, yeah. Is Sprint still a company? I hope not.
Speaker 1:I hope all those people are doing fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they've moved on. Yeah, that company. Anyway, maybe I'm going to.
Speaker 1:Oh, bless you, Bless you again.
Speaker 3:Did you get?
Speaker 4:that, pick that up in the mic. I think you've turned away. Oh, that's too bad. I think we got some whispers. Yeah, we should have got that. We caught it on air.
Speaker 1:Right on those new mics.
Speaker 2:Speaking of allergies and sneezing, do you have seasonal allergies?
Speaker 1:You know I used to. What is interesting about that is I had them really bad when I was a kid and then like all of a sudden I like don't have them anymore.
Speaker 2:Wow, what a dream yeah.
Speaker 1:It was a dream. I woke up. It was a dream. I remember suffering, just suffering with allergies, Like my head felt like it was going to explode and I always felt like it would happen. Really bad in the fall. There was always like a week or two where it was just like constant and same thing.
Speaker 2:Right before like the school year started. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So like when like heavy fall, like in the middle of it, but then like like in August somewhere, but yeah.
Speaker 2:I grew out of it, but then like we're like in august somewhere, but oh yeah, I grew out of it. Or sometimes, yeah, you probably you must have, or like, habituated your system. Well, speaking of that, josh has been snoring more lately last night I, I don't remember you snoring last night, but I was pretty out, um. But like I'll be reading, because I'm reading this book that I was talking about off mic and you- don't want to talk about the book real fast I can talk about the book.
Speaker 2:I mean, maybe I could even dedicate more time to it at some point um continue the book series, but I've been up reading it because I'm kind of into it and so he'll fall asleep rarely do fall asleep before me, but you have and he'll be like snoring pretty loud and I was telling my mom. I was like josh has been sleeping because, or been snoring because my mom snores okay and she was like, oh, she goes, do you sleep with the window open?
Speaker 2:and I was like, oh, we do. And she's like, yeah, that's gonna make snoring worse for the allergies, the pollen getting in your room and I was like, okay, josh, maybe we should close the window. And josh goes quote I think I'll just snore into the breeze. I was like, are you kidding? Casually, I'll just snore into the breeze.
Speaker 4:I think your mom thought it was funny. She really respects me, I was like.
Speaker 1:I can't sleep into the breeze do you give him the excuse me? Do you give him the like elbow the punch? You're snoring, I can't sleep into the breeze.
Speaker 3:Do you give him the elbow, 100% the punch. I'm like you're snoring To like turn over.
Speaker 2:I'm reading here You're snoring, you're snoring Stop it. I've done it so many times.
Speaker 4:I get the punch. Yeah, I'll fall back asleep pretty quick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and start snoring again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cyril definitely hit me to like turn over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like change something.
Speaker 1:I feel like everybody. I feel like Wes, shane and myself are all like heavy breathers when we sleep and so like, if we're sharing a hotel room, like traveling Sarah's like get me out of here.
Speaker 4:It's a symphony. It here because it's like a symphony, it is it's like three heavy breathers.
Speaker 1:She can't punch us all you know, she's a saint.
Speaker 2:I mean wow how could you put up with that?
Speaker 1:it seems very in line with her personality to not snore oh yeah, no, no, to be not at all bothersome in that way, not bothersome at all in that way.
Speaker 2:And by that token you think maybe I would snore because I am bothersome in high maintenance. But I don't Do I.
Speaker 4:You're better at containing your emotions? Hmm, am I?
Speaker 1:Than your snores.
Speaker 4:Well, no, yeah, as I'm saying that I don't know if that's true In public, but our bed isn't public.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's not a public space.
Speaker 2:That's not even the Crafty Beaver. I think I'm just lucky that my anatomy is such that it doesn't make me snore.
Speaker 4:And I don't have seasonal allergies. Yeah, you've just got a great nose. No, I think it's just like and I don't have whatever that deviated septum or or seasonal allergies. Yeah, I definitely have seasonal allergies yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So anyway, I'm picturing you guys, heavy breathers, heavy breathers heavy breathers. Well, you know cause. There's like two.
Speaker 1:Queens. So she's sleeping with one of the heavy breathers.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's not me. Obviously, it's either Wes or Shane, and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's in your face, it's echoing from the other bed. So funny, yeah, yeah. Sometimes, when it's loud enough, you can't sleep, like sometimes when he's snoring, I'm like I can't. I wake me up and then I'm like why doesn't it wake him?
Speaker 1:you're deep, you're in it, I'm very deep. Well, that's what I would always say to sir. I was like I wasn't snoring I didn't hear.
Speaker 3:It couldn't be, it couldn't possibly be me. I didn't hear it.
Speaker 2:I didn't wake up.
Speaker 1:I think you're mistaken yeah, um wait, what are we? We're talking about human design.
Speaker 2:We're talking about human design today. So, yeah, might as well, might as well shift into our actual topic. So yeah, we're talking about human design.
Speaker 2:The reason, one of the reasons we're talking about this is because back in the day when john and I shared an office, I had a period where I got briefly kind of into this, and I have periods of this where I'll get really into one kind of like spirituality or self-help and, you know, by completely into it, fuse with it and like map out my life according to this thing, like holding maybe some skepticism in the back of my mind, but at this time I was holding less of it probably than I do now, but it was a.
Speaker 2:It came to me from this, this woman, that I follow her presence, and she has this like manifestation program where which will maybe at some point talk more officially about manifestation but there's this program that helps you get in touch with your self worth and then kind of manifest things. And I found it and found it so helpful, found it so like healing in conjunction with my own therapy at the time and found it so like aligned with my process as a therapist personally and it just like aligned in so many ways. And one thing that she followed at the time I don't even know how much this woman follows this anymore you came across this concept of human design and we have a definition of it. Um, that we found online, which is not what you're looking at, it's not.
Speaker 1:I have the let me, let me um.
Speaker 2:You sent me the article to read yes, okay, let me look at the um.
Speaker 1:And my favorite quote from the article is as far as wellness practices go, it's not exactly the most straightforward, which I think is an understatement?
Speaker 2:Oh, totally, it is a very complicated paradigm.
Speaker 1:That's coming from somebody who hasn't read any source material on it other than this article. Doing the online it's not a questionnaire. Doing the online, putting your information in and then it gives you your human design.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, so yeah it. Basically. Where did I? I sent out this article? We can cut some of this out as I'm searching for it, not the article, but didn't I send over my play, didn't I send?
Speaker 2:over a text of the oh wait yeah, it's an article from vice and it was by oh, okay, yes, yes, yes nilafar hadari okay, so I'm going to read what, basically, what google gemini defines human design as, which is a personality typing system that blends astrology, the I Ching, kabbalah, vedic philosophy and modern physics to create a holistic self-knowledge system. It's not based on questionnaires like Myers-Briggs or the Enneagram, but instead uses a body graph based on birth date, time and location to reveal an individual's unique energetic blueprint. So it's similar it's most similar, I would say to astrology, and it comes from this guy who basically, in one night, channeled this information, had this experience, this spiritual experience, and channeled this information. So I'm the spiritual experience and channeled this information. So I'm sure, as I'm saying this, I'm definitely turning some people off to human design, but we're not going to talk about it like it's our, you know, one true faith.
Speaker 2:We're going to kind of explore it and I'll kind of explore the ways in which it's helped me think of my life in this way, whether it's more functional or something I actually believe in which I think I've gone in and out of different relationships to it over time. But it's basically like astrology, where you put in your birth data, so your name, your date of birth, your place of birth, your time of birth, and they yield for you on these websites, these human design websites, what your unique energetic blueprint is, and there's five different energy types, which is kind of the main thing you are.
Speaker 2:So like there are 12, are there 12 signs of the Zodiac? What's the Zodiac, rather? 12. Yeah, I guess Per month send the zodiac, rather 12.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I guess right, per month 12 yeah 12.
Speaker 2:Yeah, taurus, yeah, there's taurus there's 12 of them aquarius yeah, um, capricorn, but so, yeah. So there's five of these energy types, I think, the most common being what's called a generator, which both john and josh are this energy type? Yes, generator that up, yeah. So yeah, tell us about your type. When you typed it in, john, what did you get?
Speaker 1:well. So generators like the broad term, yeah Right, but then there's like this. There was a lot of information about this profile.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes, and then it just gave me two numbers. So the profile was six slash two. Mm-hmm and then it said the exemplary human.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 1:Wow Ooh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, tell us about that, Well, well before we even get into that.
Speaker 2:So basically what this is saying is like you are designed, given your birth a certain way yeah like you can't really develop or you can develop traits or it's saying you are already predisposed to being this design well, actually, my impression of human design when I was more into it was unlike astrology, which is like oh you're a pisces, so you're like this. In human design, what they say is if you're born at this time in this place, this is the way, this is the optimal way for you to interact with the world, to like exchange energy with the world. And you don't. It doesn't mean this is how you are. It means this will behoove you the most if you do this.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:That's what I know about it. Now, maybe the profiles are a bit different. No-transcript. So that was something. I liked about it right away too, Like, more like and and I. I think what got me into it was when I learned what my type was and read about it. So much of it kind of resonated. I will admit, I get into this stuff. I'm not the biggest skeptic of this stuff, so you know, I think you can read into things in any way.
Speaker 2:And also sometimes when I read any of the energy types and what their recommendations are, I'm like all of the recommendations are good to me for all people and I like thinking about that some of the time personally. But yeah, it's like the energy type being the big overarching piece, then that authority is kind of the next piece and then I think the profile is what you look at that's sort of the order of operations I think got it yeah, I mean some of the stuff it said was like leader, um kind of like leading with, like action, like not words follow through.
Speaker 1:I think it said, um uh, go like, instead of overthinking things, it like would it behooves you to just like go off your instinct, like that's yes, and like kind of like your intuition and, like you have that gut feeling, follow that gut feeling.
Speaker 2:Yes, whereas josh and I are not supposed to follow our gut feeling, got it according to our. I'm not supposed to follow our gut feeling. Got it, according to our authority. I'm not supposed to, because we are both emotional authority. So emotional authority means that we are supposed to let our emotions rise and fall before making decisions. We don't go instantly with the gut. What?
Speaker 4:about if I'm editing.
Speaker 3:In any situation, I always go with my gut feeling.
Speaker 2:Well now here's my question to that Are you talking about situations where you're highly emotional?
Speaker 4:Absolutely not. I'm completely neutral.
Speaker 2:The emotional authority means don't make decisions in the height of emotion.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:I can differentiate between those two scenarios yeah, and to give you something a little wacky and wild reflector types, which is the most rare type sandra bullock sandra bullock is every article brings up sandra bullock.
Speaker 3:Yeah and now granted the only I've.
Speaker 1:I read like five articles about this in preparation for this episode, so not a lot of research, but everyone was like, well, there's this very rare type and sandra bullock is this type.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh my god, people love that anna sealander, her nephew that was just about to be born. She looked up his human design and he was a reflector which is so cool um, it's like one percent of the population or maybe less, but they're supposed to wait a calendar month before making a decision about like anything oh which is kind of wacky, like a moon cycle they're supposed to wait.
Speaker 2:So, which is interesting, at least we only wait. We kind of like the, the like, more like catchy way to say it is like sleep on it if you're in the height of your emotions sleep on it. Um so yeah, but for john he's sacral authority, which we'll talk about. Yeah, so that means you have a gut.
Speaker 1:Yeah, authority, the way you yeah making decisions. Strategy is responding.
Speaker 2:Yes, so I can tell you what that means from what I learned the responding.
Speaker 1:The one thing the environment set values, which I thought was interesting, because I think there was like some talk about like leading and like getting your voice heard and that type of thing, but then also like there was this balance of like needing quiet and how valleys yeah, you know the weather kind of like goes over a valley, but the valley is still kind of like still, and so needing some environment and time to be alone, to be with your thoughts though, though not overthinking, still going with your intuition, but needing more of like some alone time, I guess.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's in your profile.
Speaker 1:That was the. I took a picture of this. That's the. Yeah, it was in the environment.
Speaker 2:It said valleys was the descriptor of the environment, got it. That makes sense.
Speaker 1:Your strongest sense is touch. Is what? It said oh interesting and then it said like your most important gift, and then it gives you like a number which I didn't.
Speaker 2:I guess I should look that up yeah, well, while you look that up, I mean I can go over maybe I should go over high level the different energy types and what I know about them.
Speaker 4:That'd be great.
Speaker 2:Okay, so John and Josh are both generators and I'm what's called a manifester. So usually when people go over these they start with manifester. So a manifester is the initiator, they say so, the person who is supposed to order first at the restaurant, to kind of influence the rest of the table as to what to get. Kind of the idea person, not necessarily the person with a ton of like, follow through and like a big, strong motor to like, work, work, work. It's kind of the idea, the idea guy in the room who leads, who starts something, who tries things before knowing whether they're right. Like, for me, I'm supposed to test things out, try them, initiate, start things off. Them initiate, start things off, be bold and basically be unapologetically self-expressing.
Speaker 2:So, and that means, you know, be my authentic self and I'm really not supposed to people please at all it's kind of the worst for this type to do that because it creates a ton of anger and manifestors tend to have a ton of anger, which does resonate with me because it's like if we're not being unapologetically ourselves and allowing people to dislike it or like it, you know to not be people's cup of tea and sit with that If I'm not doing that and I'm instead trying to please people or go with other people's agendas. You tend to become very angry, which has happened for me in my life. I'm sure you've seen this at work. You've definitely seen this in our life where I can feel very angry, and I think when I read that piece that resonated with me most and they actually said manifestors can have chronic illness as a result of that trapped anger.
Speaker 2:So that's a big thing. And then all manifestors have this authority, which they say is more of a suggestion. Because your authority as generators, they say, is more of a suggestion. Because your authority as generators is a little more of a directive. Mine's more of a suggestion and it's to inform, which means when you are making all these decisions, initiating all this stuff, charging forward without really needing that much feedback from anyone, because manifestors don't really need that much feedback. They kind of can do their own thing and lead the charge.
Speaker 2:What you want to do is inform people of your choices. Inform before, not asking for permission. You definitely don't want to ask for permission but more like gently and warmly inform people about what you're going to do, invite them in in that way so people don't feel steamrolled by you, because people can often feel very steamrolled by a manifester or left out of their decision making. That's a very common thing for people that are loved ones of a manifester feeling like they don't invite me into decisions, they do things on their own, they take charge, and I feel either crushed or abandoned.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's a pretty strong there's a lot going on yeah, I mean, I honestly feel like I resonate with all of it, but I'm curious what you guys think, as people who know me a hundred percent, but what you were saying?
Speaker 4:that the last thing you said that you need to inform inform, otherwise people are going to feel steamrolled. Yeah, I, I think you, I think the part where you deviate from the formula the most is probably the extent to which you people please yeah, yeah, the way I'm and you ought to stop that yeah, and I think so too.
Speaker 2:I think you're.
Speaker 4:I think you'd be less angry because I know any time I don't want to be repetitive, we've talked about this on the pod. But when we were with our wedding planner, for instance, and like you would kind of cut me off, sometimes I'd be like, yeah, I don't really have any questions. I kind of like don't really know what to ask. And Kelly was like actually I have a lot of questions. And then you and I was like when you did that I was so relieved because I know for you you just like need to be heard and say what you're gonna say and that a lot of the time you don't say it and then after you'll be like angry. Sometimes I almost feel like you're angry with me that you didn't say what you wanted to say, which can make me very stressed because I. But then when you, when you are speaking up, I'm always like I think you were apologizing after because you felt like you were being rude yeah, but I was like hell, yeah, yeah, you're being assertive.
Speaker 4:That's what you need, and I need you to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, that's the thing I think manifestors really need to be assertive, yeah, more than any other energy type, because they know and there's like a really intense boldness there. And the other thing is that in what you just mentioned, manifestors characteristically, like when they walk in a room, people can feel their energy, whether it's anger, whether it's sad, whether it's excited or whatever, it's like very they have a huge aura and I have always had that experience Like I feel like when I'm mad, the whole room is scared and I do feel like I've my whole life, since I'm a little girl, felt like people can feel when I'm upset and I express it loudly, I can cry easily. Can all these things like definitely feel like it's felt when I feel something it's hard for me to mask?
Speaker 1:so in in your research and reading about this, you feel like this kind of encapsulated you the most out of anything. Not that it's like 100% who you are, but yeah more than anything. When you read it it was like wow, yeah, there's a lot there that resonates.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know who else is. A famous manifester.
Speaker 1:I don't know, somebody on Goop or something, I don't know. Donald Trump? Oh well, there you have it, have it honestly, there's a lesson for me in that, like definitely, because I could, because you're sharing space with him in the way like I can be really intense and really attached to my own ideas that's so funny because when I famous people that are six slash two in my thing, said barack obama yeah, right, right, yeah, yeah, I'm not so lucky, yeah we got a death match here I got obama versus trump I'm in good company.
Speaker 2:I'm in good company, but you know, it makes me think you know all the time, like the democratic party is always wondering like who do you actually run against? Someone like trump it's like maybe
Speaker 1:you just gotta find a manifest, kelly colgallon, yeah, find a manifest Kelly Kilgallen. Yeah, find a manifest or Democrat. Find a Democratic manifestor, but yeah like, so anybody can go on, like anybody can go online. I did it. It takes two seconds.
Speaker 1:You just type in human design. You fill this or you enter in that information and then it gives you this, and then there's like a bunch of paywalls on the website that I was on that would give you more information. But so it gives you this information and it describes your being in a way, or who you are, what you should clue into more.
Speaker 1:And so it's more of guiding principles. Yes, and I'm saying this because I'm also trying to get an understanding for this it's just like more like guiding principles of like, lean your energy in this direction.
Speaker 2:Not so much here, because that's just not going to serve you as much exactly, and maybe maybe that brings us to your two energy type and what's different about that? Because you're both generators and generators, they say, are like the sparkliest of them all. Like generators, like when you're doing like where I'm supposed to, as a manifestor, unapologetically self-express. You too are supposed to unapologetically self-satisfy, so you should. When you do work, when you do anything, it should be something that lights you up internally, something you feel inspired by, interested in. When you're doing work like that, recreating like that, whatever your energy powers, the rest of the world. So you're like the motor and the inspiration for the rest of the world, which is so cool, it's such a cool type.
Speaker 2:When I first heard about it, I was like I hope I'm a generator. Just so cool, it's such a cool type. I, when I first heard about it, I was like I hope I'm a generator. Um, I've come to love my, my energy type. But I think you know, like josh says this, when he's editing, he really has a strong motor and can go for a long time, when he's doing what he loves.
Speaker 1:I wonder if you experienced that yeah, I mean, I think that, yeah, I think that's true, but I also think, like, who doesn't feel more energy when they do what they love? You know?
Speaker 2:manifestors you don't, you don't feel more energy when you're doing more energy, but I will burn out at some point because my energy is so intense, I see, so that we can just continue to go on. Kind of forever.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like they're the most energizing type. That's interesting, yeah, whereas, like projectors and manifestors, both need a lot of rest.
Speaker 3:Okay, and manifestors particularly.
Speaker 2:You're gonna love this only can really work in small bursts.
Speaker 1:No, I remember that. Yeah, I mean come on.
Speaker 2:A likely story for a co-worker, yeah.
Speaker 1:Likely story. Yeah, it's a great escape hatch to have when you didn't want to do work. I can't work. I'm unspired.
Speaker 4:Clipping your nails with the little scissors. It's great, oh Throwing your little pieces of homework out the bus window.
Speaker 1:All the time. I mean come on excuses that's what this does for you. Human design gives you a built-in excuse. I can't do it. I'm a manifester, yeah, manifester, if I'm not inspired but I know you'll do it, john, because it lights you up so you could go forever for some reason I like that descriptor yeah, yeah it makes me feel like less of a workaholic and more of like a powerhouse yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what a generator is. They're very like, sparkly and like when they're happy. The rest of the world is happy and joyful and energized.
Speaker 4:Like you give me energy when you're in your happy place but when I'm not in my happy place, I sap your energy not necessarily as a manifester.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's true as a generator.
Speaker 4:No, for me as a manifester I don't think that's true.
Speaker 2:You mean as a generator. No, for me, as a manifestor, I don't think you can kill my energy, but you can give that energy but you just need to be on a pot apologetically yourself, no matter how down in the dumps I am yeah, exactly which can be hard if I know you're a people pleaser or have a people pleasing part of you, yeah like I want you to be singing taylor swift loudly while I'm just like miserably driving the car yeah thinking about how I didn't bring the checkbook yeah
Speaker 1:yeah, so are. Is the lit because you've read source material on this like literature, like actual books, so I have no those paywalls that you mentioned I have definitely been suckered into that and read oodles have you okay. So is the. Uh, what am I trying to say here? So, are you then? Is the book that you're reading on this just giving you information, or is this, like, considered self-help and like?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think it's considered self-help of like okay and I had someone do a brief reading for me of this she's an astrologer, and she does human design as well. And she did my astrology chart. I did it for fun on my 31st birthday, and then she read some of my human design, which was great, and I was going to have her do a longer reading of it, but I honestly feel like I've read so much about it.
Speaker 2:I don't know what else she's going to really tell me, but yeah, it's like, like it's more recommendations, it's like, because this is your energy type, here's how to live, and flow with it okay so for you guys that would be, and and we, your authority as generators, is always to respond, so mine is to inform, and I'm initiating and informing everyone.
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm doing this. You both are waiting to get kind of like some hit of intuition, or a gut feeling. For you it would be more intuition, for you it could be either you know, hitting within you, of like, take this direction. You know, like standing, let's say, you're like a kid at an arcade and you're a generator.
Speaker 2:It's like standing in the room and looking around and waiting to get kind of pulled towards something, whereas I'm a manifestor, I'm just gonna start messing around got it and I think you know I sometimes I remember this in dating like I wouldn't always know if someone was right for me until I was like with them, sharing energy with them, whereas like you two might get a gut feeling on a dating app of like yes, no and and you got to go with that, and you got to go with it with your intuition yeah, so yeah, that like waiting to respond waiting for kind of like a sign from the universe a little bit yeah, I mean, I see that in my life a lot of times where I'm pretty decisive and I don't really lose sleep over it like if I kind of I don't know if that fits the bill, but it does the idea of
Speaker 1:like no, but yeah, I'm fine, they feel like this. That's what I decided. I'm not ruminating about it, I'm not. No, that doesn't mean like it's always, but I do think that has been a theme in my life of like making a decision and not having all the information, and also feeling fairly confident in that, yeah, yes, and I think that's your.
Speaker 2:I mean, if I'm buying into this, that's your combo of generator with that sacral authority okay whereas josh, you're the generator with emotional authority, so if you're highly emotional I might ruminate you. Gotta wait it out a little so you gotta wait to respond even longer.
Speaker 4:But sometimes I can make like a snap decision.
Speaker 3:Yes, Like if I'm editing yeah.
Speaker 4:Buying clothes yeah. Making a playlist, Uh-huh. Um engaging in humor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:A lot of the time my like lightning strike first impulse is a good one, yeah, but if I'm like heightened and kind of like freaking out, I'm gonna get a lot of bad data and I gotta just like kind of sit with that yeah, and maybe not really not do too much yeah, yeah sometimes I do too much, I start wrecking everything totally or maybe you're not listening in to that, to responding, if you act like a manifester and you just do do do without listening in.
Speaker 2:is this right for me?
Speaker 4:To the wise mind really. Because I want to be just like you.
Speaker 2:Sure, yeah, and I want to be just like you.
Speaker 3:No, and then?
Speaker 2:so then the third, there's a, and then, yeah, your authority is that, sacral authority that gut. And there's a bunch of different kinds of authority. I actually don't know how many there are, but there's a bunch. There's like splenic authority.
Speaker 1:There's sacral authority, there's a lot, there's a lot and, like, the diagram it gives you is Confusing. I don't even know what it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like it's straight up made up. Yeah and it gives you all these like symbols and numbers with it yeah, yeah, I know that part I am in the weeds with I don't know more of the high level stuff which if, if y'all are interested in the more specific stuff going to like looks like a sitar.
Speaker 1:it almost looks like a yeah, true, it almost looks like a, an overhead view of like airport and like these are runways or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's supposed to be a body and the top is like the neck.
Speaker 1:Wow man, what is that thing? That see your drawing because, like Josh's and mine look more like a body. And then there's all these numbers on the side with symbols next to it, as if anybody can make sense of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah see, this one has like a head in the back oh, okay kind of like that um yeah, so yeah, these profiles are another thing human design yeah um yeah, oh. And they have this thing called not self-theme, so meaning, when you're not living your design, what is the experience you have? For me it's anger, for you guys it's just frustration. It's dialed down a couple ticks from what I experienced a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a little more tame, and then there's another type, that's called a manifesting generator, so they're kind of a mix of our types um as you can imagine, is that the not self theme? Yeah, the not self theme exactly is frustration okay both.
Speaker 2:Frustration, yeah, um, and then so manifesting generator is a mix of the two. I don't have to go too far into that because you can imagine the mix and and people are mixed in different ways. My friend, kathleen shadow kathleen is a manifesting generator, um, and they're supposed to try a million things and quit a million things, like jump to different jobs, like really experiment with their life. I know that is a big thing with manifesting generators. And then there's something called a projector which again shout out to Obama.
Speaker 2:I believe he's a projector his energy type and he's like the perfect example of one, apparently because the projector is like the kind of like bird in the tree, whereas, like I'm going, around trying things, testing things, initiating, galvanizing, like doing all this stuff like a projector is like the bird sitting in the tree, kind of watching and waiting and gathering a lot of info slowly and with stillness and they don't respond or they don't.
Speaker 2:Their um authority is waiting for the invitation, so not even just waiting for like a sign from the universe or a hit of intuition. They literally wait to be invited by the outside world to do things, to join things. And think about obama like having to be convinced to run for presidency for so long. You know, like people wanting and people wanting and he resisted it for a long time, obviously very opposite of Trump, who was like screaming about Obama being you know his birth certificate.
Speaker 2:Like you know, trying in any way he could to get in there right whereas Obama really had to be kind of pulled and invited, and invited, and invited. That's the projector.
Speaker 4:Sandra Bullock.
Speaker 2:No, she's a reflector.
Speaker 4:A reflector.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so wait, let's look at projector. You know, like Arcade Fire I was going to make that reference. Yeah, I mean, that's the only thing I think of when I think of that. Wait. So does this inform your practice at all, or is this just?
Speaker 2:for shits and gigs for just you. If I ever met a client that was really into this, I would totally bring it in. Yeah, and with them, with their collaboration, I would have to know their energy type to do that I'll think about in my own own therapy it definitely comes in okay and I'll think about it like what's really right for me and I know for me, like I have like people pleasing is such an issue in my energy type and I know it's it's like, it's like this cage that I step in and out of and it's it's really I I'm realizing now I'm in a place with it where it's like I've got to learn to tame this part of me and be more in myself.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it'll come in in that way. Yeah, oh God, I feel like I think about it with my friends when I know their types.
Speaker 2:And I do actually I do have, yeah, someone who is interested in this that I'll talk with this about. Actually, now that I think about it, um not a ton but a little bit um and then. So this projector type. Let's look at their not self theme. They like okay. So they're not designed for constant energy. They're supposed to work for like three hours a day max, which is pretty rare to be able to do that.
Speaker 1:But I suppose there's people who can figure that out, and who is this?
Speaker 2:Both of my brothers are projectors. Oh okay, obama.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:And they have a lot of need for solitude and reflection. They have this ability to really see the bigger picture of things, really zoom out, and they thrive on invitations and they thrive on recognition, strong need and they're best suited for roles like advisors, consultants and teachers. They really, they really guide others and they're very sensitive to other people's energies. So they're the strategic overseers is what they are offering guidance and direction from a bird's eye view, um their wise understanding and make significant impact on the world by sharing their insights and wisdom when invited to do so I wonder if there's anybody who, like, would do this, and then they're like yeah, that was way off, just didn't describe me at all.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I feel like the some of the descriptions are so vast though it's much like it was way off. I know it just didn't describe me at all, Honestly like.
Speaker 1:I feel like some of the descriptions are so vast though it's much like when you read a horoscope or something and it's like, well, some of that could apply to me yeah. Because it's so large and overarching. I would be curious, though, if somebody who, if they did this and it was like yeah, it's really not describing me.
Speaker 2:I would just be curious about that well, it's funny you say that because my younger brother is a projector and if we think about him as like a wise overseer, I remember when I was telling him about his type he was like sick, that's awesome and I was like does it resonate?
Speaker 2:and he was like yeah, and I was like I almost like sure picture it because my, my younger brother, my older brother are so different from each other that I was like, and they're both projectors. I was like, how interesting. But but here's the thing according to this, they could neither of them could be living their design, so they're not going to look like this right but this is more like recommendation for them to be in more flow.
Speaker 4:I mean, your brother, kevin, works 24-hour shifts as as a pediatrician.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he works about, so he's not working three hour shifts yeah and I told him this. Actually I was like in your type you're actually supposed to work the least. And he was kind of like, great, I don't care about that at all and I was like fair enough, but it does make sense because it's incredibly draining for him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's incredibly drained so this is so again. It's like can live an amazing life and, according to human design, your life would be that much more amazing if you just yeah, or there'd be.
Speaker 2:lived it the way they're telling you. Yeah, more ease, less resistance. That's a big thing in human design.
Speaker 1:It's like removing the resistance More ease.
Speaker 2:But I honestly think sometimes, if you look at all the things and all the strategies that they recommend, if you implemented all of them, sort of some of them contradict, but a lot of them are telling you be your most authentic self, be self-accepting, do things that actually inspire you and interest you yeah, so like that's the, that's some of the simple syrup you could take away yeah, I think that's a lot of what you can distill it down to.
Speaker 2:And now the last type reflectors. They're really the most elusive because so few people are this, so I'm gonna look up that really quick sandra bullock right, yeah, um, yeah, sandra bullock is famously I know it was like three articles I read. They mention her see what's so interesting she must be the most.
Speaker 1:There must be so few of them that she must be the most famous one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's got to be their 1% of the world's population derives its name from the nature of its reflective aura. The reflector is a wise observer of life with a great gift of reading other people and they must wait a full lunar cycle before making a major decision for their life. They have the opportunity for a mystical life because of their openness. They're very like, open to the world okay they like.
Speaker 2:They have no blocks so they really can like, take in any walk of life, any experience, and be present with it. Of major importance for reflectors is to find the perfect environment to live in and supportive people to live with. Other people will always see aspects of themselves when they meet a reflector.
Speaker 1:There's just so much information about all of these.
Speaker 3:How do you even come?
Speaker 1:up with all of this. Yeah, I know, like the guy or whatever, there's just so much information about all of these.
Speaker 2:It's just so like, how do you even come up with all of this? Yeah, I know, and you know like the guy or whatever yeah. The guy apparently just channeled this. Now, was he sober? None of us know you know, was it a psychotic break?
Speaker 1:Was it a psychotic?
Speaker 2:episode None of us know. But literally the way the article. He had a voice come to him, so let's look at that. Yes, exactly, okay, I'm gonna look at that.
Speaker 1:And he wrote like a 400 page book about this right or I don't even know if it was a book yeah, okay, so yeah.
Speaker 2:And the article we all read, which was a vice journalist trying this out with a lot of skepticism. So he says human design was invented or revealed, depending on your view in 1987 by Ra Uruhu, born Robert Allen Krakauer, a Canadian former advertising exec and magazine publisher. One evening in his adopted home of Ibiza, he encountered the voice. One evening in his adopted home of Ibiza, he encountered the voice. It asked him are you ready to work? To which he must have replied affirmatively, because he spent the next eight days and nights transcribing what it told him into a 400 page textbook. To some, this may sound like the I'm sorry, I have a pop-up, might sound like the actions of a man in the throes of a psychotic breakdown or a powerful acid trip. To others, it was a moment of divine revelation. So you can decide without what you will. And then, yeah, they go into the different types. But you know, I I think of it as an interesting framework. Sometimes I think frameworks are interesting to just like play around with, whether you actually believe in them or not.
Speaker 2:You know, considering like, is it helpful for me to be bolder and initiate more and be less apologetic about who I am, you know, just accept when people don't like me, which to me that was such a huge thing of like. Let yourself not be someone's cup of tea, just allow that, which I think everybody could use that feedback yeah in hearing what your types are. What do you two think? Is there anything you would take with you?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I mean, uh, you know again it's, you know this, from sharing an office with me it's kind of astrology to me a little bit. It's a like yeah, that's okay, Some of the things line up. What am I supposed to?
Speaker 2:work on again, so for you, you're really supposed to do things that light you up and say no to things. Oh, here's a saying for generators If it's not a hell yes, it's a no.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, that is kind of counter to what parenting is right, Because so much of parenting are things that are really difficult to do and don't light you up, and so that in and of itself, that entire process of like having children and there are so many things about having children that do light you up, on the flip side, of that there are so many things that are like arduous totally and totally the initial response to that is hell, no like it's not hell yeah right, so you know, that's where it's kind of like, okay, like you know yeah that type of thing.
Speaker 3:Um yeah, so I think it's like I, where it's kind of like okay, like you know that type of thing, yeah, so I think it's like outside of that right like in my interests or my hobbies, like I could doodle in a bunch of different hobbies fun, or maybe if there's one that really lights me up.
Speaker 2:I should really pursue it and really like put a lot more energy into it or something Like in that facet of my life or something. Yeah, totally Just as an example. Yeah, and, or something like in that facet of my life or something just as an example. But yeah, and you know, you bring up a good point because this is a big thing in human design that it's probably controversial. I think a big like ethos of it is like people don't have to like struggle and toil as much as they do, like that's more conditioning, that like life has to be like such toil yeah and I think it's like such a nice idea.
Speaker 2:But but sure, there are things where we realize like maybe it is really meaningful and and even just simply necessary yeah, to toil when it comes to things with your kids or right, or with so many things right, which is kind of you know, because from an act, lens is about building resiliency and flexibility like you need to have struggle and you need to be able to sit in the struggle.
Speaker 1:You need to be able to not avoid things. Yeah, it it. It can't possibly come easy. It's like, how are you doing it when it's hard, right, and as a value aligned for you, when you're not lit up? And if you do that, you prove to yourself that you're resilient. Things prove to yourself that you're resilient. Things don't have to light you up. Yeah, and it's, it's. There's a version of that from an act perspective, where it's like it's more meaningful in that way totally, where it's like well, yeah, you can do it.
Speaker 1:When it's easy, it's like. When it's hard, right, like yeah, and you don't try to escape it, or you don't try to avoid it, or something like that yeah and yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean I find I have my deep I still talk to us last week like, or two weeks ago deepest experiences of connection to myself through pain and struggle and finding myself through that. So I, I would never want to live a life where I'm trying to bypass all struggle for sure. I wonder about you Is there any part of it for you, josh?
Speaker 4:yeah, I'd love to bypass all struggle I think that sounds fantastic and I'm just gonna go with my gut and do everything I want, and I think I have a pretty good barometer, so I'm just gonna listen to that yeah and then we'll talk again when we have kids, because I will change my mind. That's so funny but, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4:I like the concept of like maybe it's not suffering so much, or or maybe you don't have to, because I worry so much about like oh what am I gonna have time to? Like listen to my music and my headphones, because that's something that like lights me up so much. And I'm gonna have kids. I'm not gonna be able to do that and my whole life is gonna be like one big sacrifice. But then I think about like the concept of just the overarching concept of like having a kid. I'm like I feel like that could just like light me up on kind of like a really existential level. And then there's like these mini non-light ups that are gonna happen to have in service of this like big light up yeah, so.
Speaker 4:But I also resonate with what John is saying of like sometimes there is meaning and maybe like going against the grain of whatever your type is, and it's like wow maybe this one thing is, like, so meaningful to me, like having a kid, where there's going to be a lot of elements of that that force me to do things that don't light me up, but there's a part of me that's drawing me to do it.
Speaker 4:so I'm gonna do it anyway, and yeah, I probably will suffer a little and it's gonna make me stronger and maybe give even more meaning to the things that light me up when they do. Yeah, I don't know, am I agreeing, am I not agreeing?
Speaker 2:no, you're leaving it open, which I think is great. I think I think that's so great and and something the guy suggested in the article was maybe there are people who just like a blueprint, even if it's not true, even if it's not accurate. Yeah, and some of us can sit more in like the mystery of life and not have to pre-determine it, which I find like I'm somewhere in the middle where I do notice, when I learn about this stuff, like I get this like joy out of it, but also I would never want to like predetermine my path or even say like you have to be like this and never like this, right? Um, yeah, it's one of those. It's really a dialectic. It's like consider it, be curious about it. If there's moments you feel called to kind of embody it, go for it, but I think always be in like a tension with it, if you use it at all.
Speaker 4:It seems like it can be yet another lens to maybe find yourself or and or lose yourself into or through. Yeah, yeah, cause, yeah, I guess ideally, someone is going to find something about their type. Is it type? Yeah, energy type, energy type, yeah, something about their energy type that like really kind of resonates with them and maybe it's a part of their personality that becomes like sharper and focus and it's like, oh, when I really like clue into this, I feel like I'm like being my best self and yeah, it just seems like it can be another useful lens to kind of self-actualize. Yeah, but there's lot I feel like every week I have, or every month I have, a new mantra and I'm like this is solving everything, and then, like I go through a crisis and I find a new mantra and I'm like, oh, that old one like doesn't quite do it for me anymore.
Speaker 4:But yeah, it seems like my life is like a series of finding these mantras that like kind of make me feel wise for a period of time and then they like expire and I have to find a new one yeah but this could lead to some mantras for some yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2:If it's not a hell yes, it's a no I do that when I'm shopping and I'm not even a generator, but I do it. I'll be like you know what, kelly, and it helps me so much to not I'm like if it's not instantly like, oh yeah, with this like clothing item, it's like you're putting it back put it back it's not.
Speaker 1:Oh, I kind of like it, I'll get it, no yeah that's how I overspend, that's how I drain myself and it's really it helps in that little way so yeah, it probably helps me in like tiny little ways for some reason, when you brought up that shopping thing, it made me think of, uh, marie kondo oh yeah, if it sparks joy then keep it right. Yeah, the art of wait. What was?
Speaker 2:um the art of motorcycle maintenance yeah, no the um the life-changing magic of tidying, tidying up.
Speaker 1:That's what it was, not the art of tidying up.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The whole idea, though, was like you hold it right. And if you're not getting that feeling. It could be something to part ways with. To be more minimal.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which.
Speaker 1:I like the idea of more, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Minimalism and kind of like. Yeah, so maybe using the generator type of mentality with it sometimes.
Speaker 2:I want to see that really funny comedian Todd, not Todd Glass, Todd, what is his name?
Speaker 4:Rundgren no, I love Todd.
Speaker 2:Rundgren.
Speaker 1:Definitely Todd Rundgren.
Speaker 2:Todd Berry. Todd Berry, he's like. I was watching this Marie Kondo show where, in order to clean out your apartment, you're supposed to hold all the things in your apartment and if they give you joy, you keep them, if they don't, you get rid of them. He's like, so I'm burning my apartment to the ground with me in it.
Speaker 4:That's really funny I love that.
Speaker 2:I was like good, that's good, but yeah, so yeah, it's kind of that, you know, with Marie Kondo. It's like, yeah, think about the energy that it gives you and be like intentional. I mean, maybe ultimately it's that like living with some kind of intention and there's a lot of ways to do that. Yeah, you can follow human design but you also could follow your values. You could tune more into wise mind and get more in contact with that deeper intuition and self. So yeah, I mean self.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I mean one to you know josh's point and your point, like also being open to. Maybe there's something in there that. Just a question just to reflect on right, this gives you, this gives you information, and maybe some of it kind of hits and it's like, oh, maybe I could lean in a little bit more there or, yeah, tone something else down, maybe I could.
Speaker 1:So maybe some gentle introspection by these human design uh maps yeah, maps, right, maps, body graphs, they call them um I think I also had this thought that, like you, could really go off the deep end of entering someone else's information in there, because all it requires is their name, their birth date. I guess you need the time that they were born, but you could easily just ask your friends.
Speaker 1:You know a friend that or something and then where they were born, and it only required, I mean, I put a city in a state, but you can just put a state, I think, and that's oh yeah, I think that's fine zone right. Yeah, yeah, yeah so you could like do this, and then it would just give you basic information on everybody in your life yeah, I mean you'll notice.
Speaker 2:I said, my brothers are both projectors.
Speaker 1:I've noticed you will notice some of this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tip the hand I have done some of this inquiry, inquiring um, but yeah you have everybody pinned down, everybody pin everybody pigeonholed. I know exactly what they're supposed to do and I beat them over the head and tell them to do it yeah, incredible okay, so that wraps up human design for human design. We figured it out we solved it we solved it, as we always do. We solved it and, yeah, now we'll move into our. How wise is it?
Speaker 1:How wise is it question?
Speaker 2:Which comes to us this week from John's other son, Shane.
Speaker 1:My youngest son, shane. I know you're listening. Shout out, I know you're listening.
Speaker 4:We love you, we love you Shane, we love you Wes too.
Speaker 2:I didn't say that on Wes's episode. Yeah, but I haven't say that on Wes's episode.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we did, but I haven't met either of them, but I love them.
Speaker 2:I've met them and they're wonderful.
Speaker 1:We're going to get them in here at some point. Shane came up with a great one. How wise is it to have a record player?
Speaker 2:Yes, how wise is it to have a record player?
Speaker 1:Well, we should probably come clean.
Speaker 3:I have one.
Speaker 2:You have one, have one, okay, yes, do you all have a record player.
Speaker 1:We do not. I don't see one here had you had one yeah, I.
Speaker 4:I got a cheap one as a birthday present and the needle on it bent within the first six or seven months I had it, at which point I had acquired maybe 10 vinyls, vinyls, and I just I, I think I took it to wazoo records in los angeles to see if I could get it fixed and they were like take it to a shop.
Speaker 4:They're like we don't know, we don't know how to help you. And I was like I just kind of got lazy and, uh, gave it to a friend at some point or I may have taken it to goodwill. I said, think, I said do you take broken record players?
Speaker 1:They're like we'll take anything.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think that's what they said, so I just haven't gotten one since I hate to be a broken record player but see ya.
Speaker 1:This is Goodwill.
Speaker 4:Yeah, out of Goodwill they took it and I ended up giving all my vinyls to. I forget if it was Rory McInnes or Kyle Landgraf my two housemates at the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're also going to need their full social security number.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was about to list mine as a joke, but that wouldn't be jokes on me, did you like? But so I have no. Well, I guess we have these two vinyls behind us that you got for us, john yeah I love them as artwork because my favorite thing about it, other than the communal listening experience, is probably the big artwork yeah, it's my favorite thing about it and we have a lucifer on the sofa by spoon yes, one of my favorite bands and we have um the the slow rush by tame and paula, one of one of my favorite bands?
Speaker 4:well, yeah, one of your. You said they were your favorite band.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for a while. They're up there, they're up there for me.
Speaker 4:So we have these two beautiful vinyls on our bar cart.
Speaker 2:Thanks, to John. Thanks to.
Speaker 4:John Butts, and maybe one day we'll get a record player.
Speaker 1:It's not required for any of my friends to have a record player for me to buy them records. I thought you were going gonna say for you to be their friend, to be their friend, uh, you have to have a record player. Uh, I do have a record player. Yeah, and I grew up with one. Did you all grow up with them?
Speaker 1:no I don't like in your house? I don't think so. Okay I'm. That was like the format. I mean, it was quickly being overtaken by tapes, but tapes are just inferior sound quality and so I have nostalgia for it. I think it's very wise to have a record player. I think it much to what you said. I think the album art is great. I like having physical music.
Speaker 1:So, I like having something to hold, something to look at. I love the liner notes as well, and I know I brought this up, I think, in the last I forget which podcast it was that we did but I do think you have more. It could develop your patience more with your music, instead of if you think you don't like a song, you immediately maybe click to the next song. So I feel like it. I feel like it develops more of a patience for, okay, we're listening to side a, I'm not going to get up and flip it over like let's, let's give it a real listen I love that so
Speaker 1:I don't know, I think it's yeah and there are so many songs where, even if I don't like the song, there are like like little parts of it that I do like and and if you don't have the patience to maybe sit with it and it's not like I have the patience all the time but to really sit and like listen you might miss out on some of those nuggets yeah, and I wonder if, by that token, if it even fosters something different in the artist, knowing that people will listen front to back, is there a different like intention that goes into the songs Like less.
Speaker 2:You know duds in the in the track list, you know maybe maybe, who knows, like more thoughtful music making. Maybe Maybe who knows?
Speaker 1:Like more thoughtful music making.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because I remember when I was little like some of the first CDs I would get were Britney Spears. I loved Britney.
Speaker 3:Spears Awesome.
Speaker 2:And I always would, and I think I maybe even said this to my mom at some point where it's like I only really like a couple of the songs, like there was a lot, and now of course I love her whole oeuvre.
Speaker 1:Her whole catalog.
Speaker 2:I did really feel like there's some filler in here.
Speaker 4:Do you still feel that way? We got to listen to Spears. Yeah, I want to listen to her full albums soon. I need to reorient myself with her discography. Yeah, yeah, I love Britney. Is she making masterpieces?
Speaker 2:I mean yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3:Back to front.
Speaker 2:Now that I wouldn't say yes to, but some of the deep tracks I do actually like nowadays, nowadays. But yeah, I think you're right. I think it is wise to have one, despite my not having one, because I don't really know how to work it, josh and I once tried to use it at a coffee shop and messed it up and the guy like came running over.
Speaker 1:It's pretty uh, it's pretty self-explanatory. When, um, I was in seattle with sarah and my aunt and uncle and we passed a record store and I was like, okay, we went in the record store and I found one of my favorite albums steely dan asia, and so um love steely, dan yeah, love the dan, so bought the record. The last night in seattle we went to the place and they had a record player I gave it to the.
Speaker 1:Gave it to the person I was like here's a gift for you. This has been great like being here, like I want you to have it put it in your, your archives, and you know, have it here hopefully this. So the person put it on, they played it right then and there so fun but it was like I want you to have this, like this is my gift to you you know, nice so it's like I just feel like there's something about vinyl that's yeah, that's, I don't know, I find it it very speaking of generators, very fulfilling yeah.
Speaker 1:It lights me up. I even like going to a record store and not buying anything. Yeah, just looking, just looking, totally Browsing, browsing. It's a safe space.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you like to get Josh. You like to get people records for his games.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I do love that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I thought I had a better follow-up. I do love that, yeah.
Speaker 4:I do. No, I love going. I love walking to the record store, browsing around. I usually have a pretty good idea of what I'm looking for, but if I can spend five or ten extra minutes in there, it's just nice. Yeah, it's very cool as a music fan it's nice to have all that music at your fingertips. I always like to see the person working the cashier working the cashier.
Speaker 2:Working the cash register.
Speaker 4:So there's someone working the cashier, kind of working them over. I like to see their reaction when I buy what I'm going to buy. Sometimes it's neutral and sometimes it's like, oh, great record.
Speaker 1:And sometimes you can tell they're like, are you seeking the approval of the?
Speaker 4:Because it makes me think of I wish I wasn't.
Speaker 1:It makes me think of High Fidelity.
Speaker 4:Oh well, yeah, I have yet to meet a Jack Black type character.
Speaker 1:And the book is so good, the movie did a really nice job from the book but that idea of like these people are judging me for sure on my musical taste.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why don't you say the fucking fucking beatles?
Speaker 1:huey lewis in the news I love huey lewis in the news. The last record I bought I'll always remember this before covid and lockdown, uh, where reckless records, which is one of my favorite record stores here in chicago closed and then they only did mail order during, so they couldn't have people in. But the last, the the last time I was there in person, I can't. I bought two records and I cannot for the life of me remember one of them.
Speaker 1:But the other one I bought was sesame street disco, so it was a sesame street record with all of the yeah and it was a disco album, so it was like disco songs and I remember going up there and I can hear elmo doing oh it was great. And the cat the um.
Speaker 1:There's a song called like doing the trash uh, and it's like yeah oscar the grouch, and the person at the register was like this album's amazing and I was like what? And she was like yeah, we sold another one of these last week. She was like it's a great album and I'll always remember that for a lot of reasons, but it's so funny, like the reaction of the people who are checking you out. Because I think there is something inside of you that wants that validation or that reaction.
Speaker 2:A hundred.
Speaker 1:And the fact that it was a sesame street disco album. Um, I was like right on, and then covet happened and I was like well, can't go back in there and never know what I'm gonna go back in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wow, sesame street, but you know what's also?
Speaker 1:funny people will. How wise is it? Because some people are like really strong opinions about like it sounds better than um. You know digital music and I don't really get into that too much. I think it's kind of like choose your own adventure, what you like one of the best quotes sound better, one of the best quotes. That well, I I don't you know, because it's like a one-to-one.
Speaker 1:There's no like compressed digital, like files, and so it's like when you when you make a record, it's like the group, it's like the sound into the groove right, and so it's like. When you make a record, it's like the sound into the groove right, and so it's like you would know more about this probably than I do. Josh, would I, as a scientist, as a producer?
Speaker 2:Well, because you do audio files you do audio.
Speaker 4:I do audio files. I do, I am an audio file. That too, but like you deal with them, I somewhat understand this because I think it's kind of the direct vibration basically from the needle, the way the grooves are oriented. It's funny because they all look pretty similar.
Speaker 4:but I guess the grooves, the music, is like somehow embedded into the grooves of the vinyl and then the needle is dragging across them in a way that's like picking up the secret messages, basically, that are in the vinyl Right. So it's just like very physical and cryptic, cryptic them in a way.
Speaker 1:That's like picking up the secret messages, basically, that are in the vinyl right so it's just like very physical and cryptic, cryptic but people get really serious, people get really heated about what sounds better and I remember I remember reading this great quote where somebody was like, um, yeah, people are like ripping on me all the time for having vinyl records. And I'm like, yeah, man, you got static, you know, on your vinyl. And the guy's response was life has static and I was like that's such a great response.
Speaker 1:It's like life isn't clean like there's static all the time. There's always like you're never gonna have a perfect. So I I just thought that that was kind of a funny rebuttal to the idea of, like your record has static.
Speaker 2:It's like yeah, it's not perfectly, it's not, it's not gonna be like nothing is well that's the thing too, like some bands really go for that, like garagey rock sound or it's a similar concept, right where it's like you want there to be some grit some reality to stuff. Right some pops yeah, stuff that's some hisses, some hisses, some pops. I mean, I don't know, maybe that's why I can't get into Bon Iver.
Speaker 4:Too pristine.
Speaker 2:It's like there's something about it. I just do you like Bon Iver.
Speaker 1:I liked. Yes, I do. The answer is yes.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I haven't listened to his newest album.
Speaker 2:Yeah, josh loves it, and I don't know if I listened to the album before that either.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. I'm a few albums I feel like behind.
Speaker 2:Okay, fair, fair, fair.
Speaker 1:But like the first two albums were very, I really loved.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's just not how I get down, as I say Is it kind of like a just be white thing. No, I think I sometimes just find the music kind of like corny and some of the effects I find like it's mixing not well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's mixing not well for me with the instrumentation like I'm like feels like elevator music mixed with this I'm gonna have to check the tape on this, but I'm pretty sure I and by check the tape I just mean ask my friend I'm pretty sure we saw Bon Iver at Shubas.
Speaker 2:Really Whoa yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure Now that's cool even though I'm not the biggest fan.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait he probably didn't even have that many effects then I'm going to have to fact check this because I'm pretty sure that my friend, the one I went hiking with, tommy I'm pretty sure he listens to the podcast regularly, tommy, I'm pretty sure he listens to the podcast regularly he was like hey, like are you available? Like I want to go to Shuba's, and he would do this all the time. He would buy tickets to shows you know, and it would just be like hey, are you available? I really want to see this band, even if you hadn't heard of it. And I was like yeah, sure, whatever. And so we went and I'm fairly certain that we went to Shuba's and it was bonnie bear that is very cool, I think I'm gonna fact check that and get back yeah
Speaker 3:we just heard and I was blown away. He lives in wisconsin, do you know?
Speaker 1:yeah, claire yeah they have like a bonnie bonnie bear day in wisconsin.
Speaker 2:They like made a day for me well wisconsin probably doesn't have that many fans yeah, you know, that's what they were saying, yeah but um yeah anyway, I'm very wise, I think, think to own a record player. Yeah, I think so too. I would encourage people to just even go to a record store.
Speaker 1:You don't even have to have a record player, just go and check it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so cool the idea of like you just put on a record. It's more analog. You listen to the whole thing. Good album art vintage feel it slows you down, like the fact that it's less high tech is a nice kind of patient slowing you down, sort of thing. So of course that's what's yeah, I love that and you know we also listen to digital stuff.
Speaker 1:But not really. You can't get away from digital. You're gonna be listening?
Speaker 4:yeah, I'm sort of can't escape it, it's a quote on sync digital digital get down is that an n-sync song.
Speaker 1:I think it's track five on sync Digital digital get down.
Speaker 4:Is that an NSYNC song?
Speaker 3:I think it's track five on no Strings Attached, wow, which I don't have on vinyl. Wow, yeah, yeah, it's out of the closet.
Speaker 4:It's out of the closet now.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you, shane. Yeah, Great question.
Speaker 2:Thank, you, Shane, for that brilliant question.
Speaker 1:It's a banger, and for that brilliant question.
Speaker 2:It's a banger and we'll take more from Shane and Wes if they're willing.
Speaker 1:Oh, the floodgates have opened.
Speaker 2:Okay, Now we're just there's no bad ideas. I love it, so I love it Okay, well, thanks everyone for joining us. Yes, thank you If you want to find me, you can look me up at my website kksychmailcom.
Speaker 1:So please email me, tell me your thoughts on these. How Wise Is it questions, or give me your own. How Wise Is it question? We'd love to answer them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally, totally. And Josh, how about you?
Speaker 4:As always, I'm Josh Bayer Films B-A-Y-E-R, Films B-A-Y-E -R, like the aspirin filmscom, and I have a contact page at which my information is listed.
Speaker 2:Okay, great, and we'll catch you all next week. Thanks so much for listening.
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