The Wise Mind Happy Hour
Two therapists musing about the idea of an inner wise mind and how to connect with this psychic space in different contexts.
The Wise Mind Happy Hour
One Battle After Another - wise?
We take on cinematic juggernaut "One Battle After Another" (P.T. Anderson's latest film) in a rousing discussion that ultimately leads us to a debate over the merits of nuts in banana bread. Nuts? You bet.
- music by blanket forts -
Welcome to the Wise Mind Happy Hour. I'm Kelly.
SPEAKER_01:I'm John.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, and welcome and welcome, Josh, our wonderful producer.
SPEAKER_02:I'm here.
SPEAKER_04:So yeah, let's check in a little bit. How's it going, John? You were just starting to tell me about a new book you're reading.
SPEAKER_00:It's a horror book.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's a spooky book.
SPEAKER_01:Is that time of year? Yeah, it's not my not my typical genre. I wanted to give it a shot, though.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Well, I'm feeling good hearing you say that.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like whenever I think of horror, I can't name an author. So that's a bad sign. Yeah. Maybe I haven't given it a shot. That's the only one that ever comes to mind. Sure. And I've read a few of his books. I'm not really interested in reading like a bunch of them.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. I actually don't love his books.
SPEAKER_01:I they're kind of long. There, yeah, I liked um The Dead Zone. That was one I liked. But um anyway, so I'm reading this one. And it's got some vampires, which is kind of spooky. And it's it doesn't I don't know. It doesn't scare like the the horror novel genre doesn't really scare me.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. The books.
SPEAKER_01:The books.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I kind of I was looking for maybe more that feeling, but it just doesn't really Yeah, it's different in a book. It is a little different in a book. I don't know why. Maybe because you you can look away or just easily put it down. But even that, I don't know. I think it's really hard to maybe write something. I think reading things that are actually happening in the world scare me much more.
SPEAKER_04:Definitely.
SPEAKER_01:Than horror fiction.
SPEAKER_04:Real stuff. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But this book's called Coffin Moon, and it just came out. Uh, but I'm enjoying it. It's definitely keeping me interested. So um, if you're looking for a horror novel, it's kind of fun. I know.
SPEAKER_04:I'm on a real, I mean, as I've said this on the pod before, I'm on a real kick of like just like entertaining books rather than I go through periods where like more like literature type books, like sometimes I just feel very like at the end of my day as a therapist, it can be a lot to get into someone's like pain and like it just feels like I really don't need to do this. Like I'm sitting with real life people, right? With like I mean, I do a lot of trauma work now. It's like I don't know if I need to even hear about this fictional characters, like trauma.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_04:So, and I feel bad saying that because there are so many like brilliant books, but I'm loving these entertaining books.
SPEAKER_01:Keep going.
SPEAKER_04:So I'm going with it. I mean, there's all these TikToks out there. I was talking to Josh about this where they're just like shitting on the type of books I'm reading, and it's like making me feel bad. Oh, really? And I'm like trying to reassure myself about it, where they're just like the only books that you know anyone likes are like about like vampires or fairies or whatever. And I'm like, honestly, like they're just like an escape in the best way.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I mean, tell that to Anne Rice. She sold like a billion copies of Interview with a vampire.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Like, and there can be.
SPEAKER_01:Everybody loved that book in the 90s or the 80s or the 90s. Totally or whatever.
SPEAKER_04:And there can be like interesting themes weaved into like entertaining books about vampires. Like that can happen. But I also am like, I need to like really get in touch with the part of myself that's like caring so much with these like internet talking heads, like think. So it was making me feel relief that you were saying you're reading a book about vampires.
SPEAKER_01:Well, it made me also think maybe I should try to think about my environment or or the the time I'm in, and maybe lean into are there books about the time I'm in, like as the holidays come.
SPEAKER_05:Love it.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe look into some novels. Again, these are things that I don't really seek out as my type of book per se, but it might lead me into being more open to different things. And I think if it's light, read it. Why? Or it's entertaining, it's entertainment anyway. Like just enjoy it. Yeah. Totally. Or do one on, one off, or it's yeah, read one that's fluff. Right. I always like taking like on vacation a light spy novel or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Those are pretty great. It's great. Yeah. Like there's gonna be a lot of ass kicking and you know, and like cool gadgets and who done it. Yeah, you know, keeps you going.
SPEAKER_04:Like when you're on a porn. Yeah. Yeah, you're like going to the next. Yeah. I know. I'm so good at reading the like harder books. I said to Josh, like if it's for school, which I haven't been in school in a long time. But it's like when I'm comparing those like really intense books to like a math textbook, I'm like, okay, I'll read the novel all day, even if it is crime and punishment or whatever. And then I love crime and punishment, you know, it's like or whatever, like the complete works of Shakespeare or whatever. It's like amazing, but it's also like thick and intense, and like you're like using your brain when you're like, I'm kind of ready to turn off my brain and just like be whisked away.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't want to get out of work and be like, uh, great, Ulysses is waiting for me at home.
SPEAKER_04:Right. That's not you know what I'm actually just realizing. I think some of these people making this commentary, like, they don't have the kind of day jobs we have.
SPEAKER_01:I'm sure that's most likely what it is.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my god. I feel I feel a lot of compassion for myself saying that because really it's like if your whole job is to like write a couple articles, have a podcast, or if we only did the podcast, like maybe I'd really be craving some like dense reading. I probably would. And like I'll read dense stuff that's like clinical, but it's like dense novels. I'm not really getting into. But I could challenge myself at some point to get back into that.
SPEAKER_01:Man, you brought up Stephen King. I felt like he's been around for so long, yeah. And almost popular for so long. Totally. It made me also think of when I was a kid. Man, like those courtroom books were so popular. Who's that author? Grisham. Yes, that's who it was. I couldn't think of his name. Oh, yeah. Like the firm. Yeah, the pelican brief. All those that were basically they were just turning those out to make movies, probably.
SPEAKER_04:They had like either Tom Cruise or like Julia Roberts.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, or Ashley. The Pelican Brief actually had Denzel Washington.
SPEAKER_04:Wow. And Julia Roberts, right? Right. Wow.
SPEAKER_01:I know. But I feel like that was a zone. I'm sure those books are still pretty popular. I feel like when I was a kid though, those books were everywhere. Yeah, like John Grisham was everywhere. Totally.
SPEAKER_04:John Grisham. Well, and I just saw on Netflix they made a movie called The Woman in Cabin 10, which is a book that I read by like a modern day actor Christy Research. Is she on a yacht or something? Yeah, she's on, yeah, it's like a yacht or it's like a cruiser. A small a small cruiser or a big yacht, I guess. And there's like a murder or something. I can't even remember. I mean, I find those Ruth Ware books like pretty compelling. I don't know if someone would call them good, but they are like, you're definitely like, what's what happened? You know, like you're really sucked in. So yeah, if you're into those kind of books, I'd say read them. I re I had a period where I read a bunch of them, but I would like audiobook them while I was like cleaning my house. So was I reading them? That's up for debate. But it's fun to listen to them. Yeah. Yeah, that I remember thinking that was fun, especially if I was like whatever, just like not didn't have much going on that day when I was single, especially. Like, you know, it's like a Friday, I don't happen to have any plans. I'm like, okay, just gonna like clean my place and listen to a book, get something done, and be entertained. So cool.
SPEAKER_02:You didn't have so much going on business-wise, then right.
SPEAKER_04:I didn't have a podcast. I didn't I had a business, but it wasn't popping off the way it is now.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, the book, I got the book from the library, and it made me think when I checked it out, I was gonna get the receipt, and I wanted to see the exact number of money I've saved. Remember, I told you that maybe in the last podcast or something like that. Yeah, what did it say? It's like 1900. It's like$1,938 or something like that.
SPEAKER_04:Two G's.
SPEAKER_01:Isn't that crazy?
SPEAKER_04:That's really crazy.
SPEAKER_01:I know. So I I misquoted, I said a little bit more. I said$2,000, I think.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. I thought maybe it, I thought maybe it had gone down.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I was yeah, or maybe I was just like, you know what? Like$2,000, and then I get the receipt, and it's like$500.
SPEAKER_05:$12.
SPEAKER_01:I was just inflating it. But I was pretty close. I knew it was close to two grand.
SPEAKER_04:Wow, that's incredible. That that really does inspire me to get that library book thing on my Kindle.
SPEAKER_01:Like a library card. Yeah, I mean, put them on hold. Put a bunch of books on hold. Totally. And then if you're reading a book and another one comes up, you can just pause it and then you get the next person gets it and you're still on hold.
SPEAKER_04:Great. It's a great system.
SPEAKER_01:I love it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that's that is great. And your your kids can't get like library school books.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, they can. Oh really? Yeah, they have a library.
SPEAKER_04:Like school textbooks, I mean. Or do kids even have textbooks anymore? No. It's all internet.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, they my kids don't really bring physical books home other than possibly like a paperback book. They're not bringing home right now in their life, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. They might be at school and they just keep them there. They're not bringing home textbooks right now.
SPEAKER_04:Wow. But could how much of our lives was carrying heavy textbooks?
SPEAKER_01:A lot. And yet somehow my oldest son's backpack is still heavy. I don't understand what's in there.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I wonder what's in there.
SPEAKER_01:It doesn't make sense. It's like notebooks and random.
SPEAKER_04:Does he have a laptop in there?
SPEAKER_01:No. No, I don't I don't know what it is. It's like bricks. He's like sewn in bricks in the bottom. So he's building up his leg muscles or something. So cute. Yeah. No, they have, yeah, but they that's funny that you mentioned the school library or the school books because I think we accidentally returned one of his school library books to the Chicago Public Library. So I have to get in contact with the school library.
SPEAKER_04:It's gonna be a Seinfeld episode about that.
SPEAKER_01:Because you get these like paper, seriously, you get these paper notices. Oh my kids will bring them home, and it's like, you still have this book out.
SPEAKER_04:And Sarah and I were like You owe us four cents.
SPEAKER_01:We were like looking for it, and we were like, I don't know. I think we might have returned that one to the public library.
SPEAKER_04:So it's in the middle of the year.
SPEAKER_01:So it's like lost somewhere. Yeah. Someone has to go on Amazon, buy this book, probably, give it, donate it. But maybe I could inscribe it like donated from Shane Butts. Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Who lost the original? Who lost my brother? My twin brother.
SPEAKER_04:Uh god, that's funny.
SPEAKER_01:But we went to we went to the library this weekend, which is great. We went to the Sulsa Library up by Lincoln Square, and then we just walked around there this weekend. Oh, nice. That's Lincoln Square.
SPEAKER_04:I love Lincoln Square.
SPEAKER_01:And you know, I've never, I don't, or maybe I have. I actually don't think I have. What's the theater up there? The The Davis. The Davis. Yeah, I don't think I've been to that theater. We saw Oppenheimer at that theater. Did you? I think I went there once. Yeah. Maybe, but I can't remember what it's nice.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. I used to go there back in the day. My mom and I, that was like our theater because there was a a restaurant across the street, either across the street or next door. Shout out to this restaurant. I can't even remember what it was called. But they had these wood-fired pizzas. They were so good. And we would go and get a wood-fired pizza.
SPEAKER_01:And then go see a film.
SPEAKER_04:And see a movie. And then sometimes we did the reverse, which no one cares about. But yeah, either it was a dinner and a movie.
SPEAKER_01:Live dangerously.
SPEAKER_04:See the movie first. But it was, I man, you know, it's like those times in your life where you're like, we used to kind of have that thing. And it was so wonderful. Like a routine. Or like not even like a routine, like almost like a little romantic, like special thing. I know I'm saying this and it's me and my mom, but like romantic as in like that little cute hole-in-the-wall Italian restaurant right by the cute vintage theater. Like I'm such a sucker for stuff like that. That's so just like poetic. And so much of that stuff closes, and it's sad.
SPEAKER_01:True. The theater's still there, though.
SPEAKER_04:The theater is still there, which is great. And I mean, uh, there are some good restaurants around there. That Indian place is good. Which place? What's it? It's not memories of India. It's like okay.
SPEAKER_01:Is it on the corner? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. And Gather just closed. Gather was up there.
SPEAKER_04:I know.
SPEAKER_01:But the warbler is still open, right?
SPEAKER_04:The warbler is still open.
SPEAKER_01:Because it was right next door to it, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. So yeah, I mean, if you're in the Chicago area, there's a lot of good stuff in this Lincoln Square neighborhood.
SPEAKER_01:Is that Bistro Campania or whatever still there?
SPEAKER_04:I love that place. Yeah. Yeah. It can be a little tricky to get a res there these days, which is interesting because it's been there for so long.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, 830 res at Dorzia.
SPEAKER_04:Wait, what's that?
SPEAKER_01:That's from uh that's that's a shout out to American Psycho where he can't get a res at Dorzia ever.
SPEAKER_04:And then uh that whole movie's about like getting a res. Jared Leto.
SPEAKER_01:Jared Leto's just like, yep, can't do it. Got an A30. And it drives him, it drives Patrick Bateman nuts that Jared Leto's just like, yeah, I got an A30 res at Dorseia.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my god, that is so good.
SPEAKER_01:I feel that when I tell people that he calls and he's like, Yeah, I'm just wondering if you could work in like uh two for you know somewhere around and he says a time, and the person just laughs on the other end. They don't even respond, they just laugh. Um it's kind of like a running, it's like a running gag that this restaurant is so yeah, they actually don't even ever go to that restaurant, like in the film, but it's just a running gag that it's so hard to get a reservation.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my god. I mean, we have this with several places in Chicago. Armitad Dale House, I said to Josh, I'm like, I'm ready to go in there and like level with the hostess and just say, like, what I gotta do to get in. To get like a reasonable res. We went once at 11 p.m. on a Thursday for dinner.
SPEAKER_01:So but they take reservations? They do take them.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Oh, yeah. They take them, they take them.
SPEAKER_01:They also took away our fries.
SPEAKER_04:Well, okay, so when you have an 11 p.m. res on a Thursday, the staff is like, Why are you here? Right. You know, so they put the fries down, they're ready to pick them up in the next second. Right. And they're the best fries we've ever had. So we're like foaming at the mouth. Yeah. Second best. Yeah. That restaurant, Arm to Jail House, is so good. Maple Grey Date cake. Oh, yeah. There's a really good place in Detroit that Josh's mom and stepdad took us to called Maple Gray.
SPEAKER_01:I think you said, Yeah, didn't we talk about that? So good. We've talked about all this.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. We're into food. We're we're probably too into food. And our how eyes is it is food related. Food related. We'll pause the food conversation there. But yeah, anything else to check in about? Oh, I meant, oh my god, I'm like, sorry, I scared myself.
SPEAKER_03:Woo! This spooky month. Whoa.
SPEAKER_04:So speaking of spooky, Josh and I have been watching and just finished the TV show that came out a while ago. Actually, our coworker was watching at the time when it came out, called The Haunting of Hill House. We started watching it. We're into it. It's like about this family and this haunted house, and it kind of intercuts between different time periods, whatever.
SPEAKER_01:Is this a mini-series?
SPEAKER_04:Or is it a it's only one season, so I guess you would maybe technically go to the butt episodes, so it's like one season. And like a big piece of it, I don't think this is a spoiler, is like one of the characters is kind of haunted by someone such that they like in the middle of the night are like frozen and they can't breathe, and they're like, So what happens to me last night?
SPEAKER_01:You freeze and you can't breathe.
SPEAKER_04:I wake up to hear Josh doing that, literally, eyes closed, dead asleep, doing the character.
SPEAKER_01:Wait, wait, wait, wait.
SPEAKER_04:I'm not kidding.
SPEAKER_01:He's snoring in a way, or no, he's dreaming.
SPEAKER_03:He's dreaming, and he's literally with his eyes closed, going, like he can't breathe to the point where I have to go, Josh, Josh, Josh. And he's like, then he like woke up and he was like, Hey, I was like, what was going on there?
SPEAKER_04:I was like, Were you dreaming about the show? And he was like, No. And you were like, He had some other dream. This is what Josh does. He does some, he's had some crazy dreams like this where he talks out loud. And then when I wake him up, he's very serene and he's like calmly explaining some like dream. The dream, the the scariest one was when we had first started dating, and we we had watched Bo is Afraid, and then all of a sudden in the middle of the night, I hear Josh go, I hear him quietly kind of go, Oh, oh, and then he goes, Wake up, wake, uh, but he yells it with his eyes closed.
SPEAKER_03:I jolt awake, of course. And I'm like, what's going on with that? I think there's like a burglar or something.
SPEAKER_04:And I see that he's asleep. I feel like I'm having a psychotic break when he's doing this. So I like kind of wake him up and I'm like, hey, what's going on?
SPEAKER_03:And he's like, hey, again.
SPEAKER_01:Hey, hanging out.
SPEAKER_03:And I was like, what was happening? And he's like, oh God.
SPEAKER_04:He's like, I was with you, were like in a recording studio, and there was like time lapsing in the corner of your vision, which was part of this movie we had seen. And like the time was running out. So you were like telling someone in the dream to wake up. And I was like, I go, Was I with you in the dream? And Josh goes, No, it was some other guy. I was like, some other guy.
unknown:I was like, another guy.
SPEAKER_04:I was like, Are you awake? It was like so insane. And then later in the night, like things calm down, he falls back asleep. Later in the night, I go, Oh, oh, again. I just shake him. I'm like, you're doing it again. Like, you're gonna scare the crap out of me. It was so terrifying. We like can't watch scary things. That's not true.
SPEAKER_01:So you it obviously doesn't bother him. What the but the breathing last night or whatever night that was was the same as in the haunted hill house?
SPEAKER_04:It was identical. Oh, so it's and in the scene in the show, it's like a power of the honey, it's okay, it's okay, and like takes her.
SPEAKER_01:I was literally, I was the husband. Did you yeah, did you take a play out of that play?
SPEAKER_04:But I basically I did. I was like, Josh, it's okay. It's okay. We were like both like acting out this film, and I was like, it like was it makes me in the middle of the night have one of those moments where I'm like, is this reality?
SPEAKER_01:Like, am I actually Were you awake or he woke you up?
SPEAKER_04:He woke up from your breathing. Oh, he woke me up from that sound. Wow, it was scary. Yeah, it was like dead asleep. It was terrifying.
SPEAKER_02:Anything to say?
SPEAKER_01:Sorry. Do you remember any of this?
SPEAKER_02:I remember once I woke up. I rem I think in the dream I was like maybe trying to scare my sister. Oh, that's right. Or I was trying not to scare my sister. It was in our old house, our middle school house, and we had like an interconnecting bathroom between two bedrooms. A lot of scary. I I saw the ring when we lived in that house. Wait, like a Jack and Jill? Is that what that's called? What's a Jack and Jill? Jack and Jill went up the hill.
SPEAKER_03:Jack and Jill bathroom.
SPEAKER_02:My brother was in there too, so it was like Jack's and Jill. Zack and Jill. Zach and Jill and Jack. Zach and Jill. Zach and Jack and John.
SPEAKER_01:So what okay, anyway.
SPEAKER_02:But so I I think I've got a little bit of a sick side. Yeah. I think in the dream, I feel like sometimes in a dream I'll be like, oh, I like really want to like scare this person. I'll be like, maybe I shouldn't, and then I'll be like, uh that's literally the sound. It was that was I think I have a little bit of a sedition.
SPEAKER_04:Tell me you wouldn't wake up if Sarah were doing that.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I sleep pretty deep. I don't know. I mean, maybe I shot awake. Maybe. You know. No, I'm sure I if if she was making a noise that was not typical of a human or a monster after you're not sure.
SPEAKER_04:Have you just watched a pretty scary show?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you gotta be careful with that stuff at night.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, luckily the show ended in a pretty scary show.
SPEAKER_01:So now are you? Are you anxious about going to bed tonight?
SPEAKER_04:Well, I feel like a little.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, this was two nights ago.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_04:Well it wasn't last night?
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, you're right, because I was anxious to go to bed last night and I was like, are you gonna do that thing again? And you were like, no, because the show ended so sappy. Right. And I was like, okay, I guess that makes sense.
SPEAKER_01:So it is correlated to what you watch before you go to bed?
SPEAKER_02:It seems somehow correlated with maybe if we watch something spooky, but we've watched a lot of spooky things, and then you haven't done that, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:We watched Hereditary. Have you seen Hereditary?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I wasn't that into it as much as everybody else was. Scary. Did it not upset you? Well, no, it's it's definitely upsetting, it just wasn't enjoyable, right?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't even know how enjoyable it was because Josh was like, Are you still thinking about it? I'm like, Yeah, I like couldn't meditate. I was thinking about it so much. It was like bothering me.
SPEAKER_01:That's with Tony Colette, right?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah. When she's like banging her own head door.
SPEAKER_01:Is Gabriel Byrne in that movie too? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I didn't really like it. Yeah, it just wasn't my yeah.
SPEAKER_04:You you didn't like it that much either. And then the second watch, you were like, you thought it was better than you. Yeah, I like it.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like when it came out though, people were like, This movie's so scary. Like, if you want to be scared, watch that movie. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:It's disturbing. I would say if you want to be scared, yeah, it's really disturbing.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's a good distinction. It's disturbing, it's not it didn't frighten.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I think Ariaster, the director, those his movies are like pretty disturbing. But they're not gonna be able to do that.
SPEAKER_02:I was afraid it's disturbing central. No, no, weapons, weapons had a lot of jobs.
SPEAKER_04:Did you say weapons? No. Oh, you treat yourself to weapons. It's probably the best scary movie I've ever seen. In your life? No. I mean, maybe the sixth sense.
SPEAKER_02:I've really liked it.
SPEAKER_04:But I think I prefer weapons.
SPEAKER_01:Oh man, the sixth sense. Scary. Definitely scary. But then, you know, huge reveal, we all saw each other over the weekend.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, for a film. A film viewing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we went and saw a film.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we went to see one battle after another, which I think we kind of like teased.
SPEAKER_01:We did tease last week.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It worked out though.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Yeah, worked out. Did we talk about it? We met up. Yeah, we're gonna talk about it. We're gonna spend this episode talking about it. Josh, you looked like you were about to say something.
SPEAKER_02:I forgot. I was gonna say there's so many battles.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. There's so many battles.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I mean, first and foremost, I think I told you both at the movie, I cannot remember the title of this movie for some reason. Honestly, it's one battle after another.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And for some reason I kept saying, like, I don't know, no battles matter, or I I was just whenever somebody was asking me what I was saying. Battle after battle or something, yeah. Yeah, battle bots. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like I almost think there could be a better name for this movie.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's fine. I think it's my issue. Finally. For some reason. It was just like Oh, is that the name of the book? Isn't that the name of the book? Oh, yeah, that might be the name of the book. Um but let's set the scene here. So we met at the music box, yeah. Which I looked up, built guess. Any guesses?
SPEAKER_04:The music box was built in 1906.
SPEAKER_01:1886. Ooh, 1929.
SPEAKER_04:Wow. Did you say 1806?
SPEAKER_01:1886 at the birth of movies. Um, 1929.
SPEAKER_04:Wow, I know in the Great Depression.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_04:Wow, incredible. It is, I mean, it's so vintage and cool.
SPEAKER_01:It's vintage, it's cool. And I forgot when you know we met there, we got our treats, and then we go find our seats, and somebody's playing is that an organ. It's an organ, right? Like it's an organ.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. In the big theater. Like a person is playing the organ. Yeah, for like a matinee, they'll play the organ. It's great. It's so fun. Yeah. Yeah. And it gets kind of like rowdy. And I mean, don't you guys love the crowd in there too? Like every guy probably has a podcast. Don't you think?
SPEAKER_01:It's like it definitely, I mean, talking about, you know, judging a book by its cover, it looked a little artsy.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Love it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. People that are like, they're not calling them movies, they're calling them films. Films. They're definitely, you know, going to get their hair cut way less often in a cool way.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it was great. I love the music box. It's a great theater. So we went there for a man to an Sunday. And should I read like a description of what this movie is? Sure, yeah. Yeah. Because I told a few people and they were like, I have never even heard of that.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I'll say it's a Paul Thomas Anderson film.
unknown:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Who is what what would you say, Josh? Like an au turn. He's an O'Tour. Which means like he's okay, an O'Tour.
SPEAKER_02:I'd say it's like a filmmaker who kind of has an inimitable style. Yeah. You see their movies and you know it's theirs. Which which this is interesting.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, they have a signature.
SPEAKER_02:Because he you were just saying that he's such a chameleon. Like he kind of takes on so many different types of movies.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I mean, I I will say that. Like he really must be just absolutely lousy with talent. Because to take such disparate subject matters and make such like incredible films out of them, I'm really impressed. Like that you could do make a phantom thread and a one battle after another.
SPEAKER_02:And a punch drunk love.
SPEAKER_04:And a punch drunk love and a boogie nights. And a there will be blood.
SPEAKER_02:They've got some different feels.
SPEAKER_04:They but they're all so incredible and so they stay with you, you know. Like Phantom Thread, like stays with you.
SPEAKER_02:And I'd say Steven Spielberg, great director, love a lot of his movies. I wouldn't call him an auteur.
SPEAKER_04:No, because he's a little more commercial. I feel like he's probably.
SPEAKER_02:I feel like he's taking less risks. He's also chameleonic and very talented. Incredibly talented. Can do like horror, can do wait, what are movies he's done? Horror drama. I feel like he does a lot of different genres. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Action.
SPEAKER_02:War. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:War horse. Has he done like comedies? Um has he ever done? I mean, there's like comedic elements in all his movies. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:PT. PT is so funny. I haven't seen it in a while.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. But yeah, Paul Thomas Anderson is like a pretty singular. And they're and they've got some weirdness to them, usually.
SPEAKER_02:They've got some weirdness to them. I feel, but I feel like they're very he mixes lowbrow and highbrow in a way that's so much fun. Totally.
SPEAKER_04:Well, tell us what you found, John.
SPEAKER_01:So it says here the story follows Bob, a former now Bob is played by Leonardo DiCaprio, a former member of the revolutionary group French 75, who lives off grid uh with his daughter, Willa. Uh, when his old nemesis Lockjaw, who Lockjaw is played by Sean Penn, reappears and Willa disappears. Bob is forced to confront his past to find her. Um, and there's so many other characters that were great in the film.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, but yeah, I don't know. What we're so this was your second time seeing it. Because this was my first time seeing it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we saw it and were just floored by how good it was and how important and topical it is to right now. And yeah, I think we were like, we gotta see this and talk about it on the pod. You have to see it. We wanted to see it again. And yeah, like if I had to say, like, one of the biggest reasons I wanted to watch it again and talk about it is that I think like to to make a film right now that shows the government like bullying, manipulating, and dehumanizing people, and make it a film where people are like pumped up and very clear on this being like wrong and to be fought is powerful. Like I I think I feel like moved by that that someone would especially an auteur who's probably like pretty highbrow in a lot of ways, to take the time to say, like, I'm actually gonna make something topical now in and do it right and make people pumped up about pushing back against tyranny, basically. I that was one of the biggest things for me, but I don't know about you guys what you felt.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean it so you just to give some context, right? Like this French 75 is I mean, the first scene is really about detention of migrants and and how they're going to get them out of you know, and free. I think what's interesting about this film is it is all of those things you described, but it doesn't name anything in terms of like political labels. There's no labels of Democrat, Republican, there's no president that's even named or, you know, and you know, spoiler alert for people don't listen too much about this, right? Because we might go into details, but yeah, there's no so I think it's interesting because I read some stuff afterwards as I was processing it myself, where it's like people are having a reaction to this, even though, and they know who they are in the film, even though it's not really explicitly named in the film, which I think says a lot.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, totally, right?
SPEAKER_01:Because it's not saying government that's Republican. It's saying this is we're this is a world in which a government is detaining people. Right. Yeah. It's not saying, though, that this is a certain type of government or is a certain type of president. And I think it's interesting. I also was trying to do the math in my head because in the beginning of the film, if we're to think of a timeline, which I always love in films, it's 15 years ago, right?
SPEAKER_02:It's 15 years later after the beginning. Right. We were talking about this yesterday. I was like, it's not, they never give a year.
SPEAKER_01:So 15 years elapse. Exactly. So if we were to assume that it then takes place in present day here and now, right? Yeah. I think it's also interesting to think, well, what was the administration that they were fighting 15 years ago?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Bush.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So it's it's just interesting to think about those timelines and how because people might be so laser focused on like this is he's really trying to label certain things, and maybe he is, I don't know, but it's just I find it interesting that how people's reacting to it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, totally. Yeah, there's not specific naming of like this administration, X, Y, Z, Bush, or Trump, or whoever it's not actually naming that. Yeah. But yeah, it's like, I mean, it's so it's needless to say, really, because you don't even have to say it's one or the other. Like, I think the the energy behind it. And like the movie has so much energy to it. You know, like, I mean, I think even in the first scenes, just like seeing giant groups of people in cages. Right. It's powerful, you know, to really see that and recognize, like, oh wow, like this is normal.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:And this is happening now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And yeah, like I'm still I keep harping on this, but it's like to make a good movie about that is hard.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Like something so true.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:That we're all right now like under the just like avalanche of. And I do think it's like meaningful, especially like with like a Leonardo DiCaprio who's so magnetic to watch. And it's really not preachy. Like it's showing like basically it uh you could call them a terrorist group. They kind of call themselves that the French 75, a revolutionary group that's fighting tyranny with their own form of like violence. And they're and they're saying, you know, like we're freeing people from like fear and from imprisonment. Yeah. You know, like human beings should be free. But also, like, there's complexity to the narrative because like the main character at the beginning, the female lead at the beginning, is like also kind of like an adrenaline junkie.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's Tiana Taylor. Yeah, Tiana Taylor, who's great in it.
SPEAKER_04:She's really like believes in her mission, yes, but also is like pretty addicted to like you know, violence intensity, guns. She even says that.
SPEAKER_02:Sex, sex, sex, yeah, having sex with the bombs. Or not like as the bombs are going on. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Totally. And there's like some humor to that too. The movie's incredibly funny.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know if we've made that clear. Like, I was crying yesterday.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. There's so many very funny parts that are weaved so well into the parts that are intense and basically like they're depicting this kind of revolutionary group being fighting violence with violence, and obviously a lot of chaos ensues. Yeah. Such that then Leonardo DiCaprio and his daughter have to kind of flee. Right. And there are all these characters around them, too, that are some are engaging more in violence to fight back, some are setting up kind of like secret communities, and like, you know, like the Benicio del Toro character has like a community. What what did he call it?
SPEAKER_02:Like a Harriet Tubman operation.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like a Hispanic Harriet Tubman operation. And his character is amazing. His character is amazing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, everybody was so amazing in the film. Yeah. Like everybody was believable.
SPEAKER_04:Totally.
SPEAKER_01:And I think, you know, what's interesting is I actually I just fact-checked that. 15 years ago it was Barack Obama was present.
SPEAKER_02:Oh wow. But here's to complicate things even further. The the book that it's based on was 1990. Was 1990. Right.
SPEAKER_05:Wow.
SPEAKER_02:So obviously that was way before. But I it makes me want to read the book because I really want to know what kind of liberties were taken in the adaptation and how much has kind of been like updated versus like how precient the book was.
SPEAKER_01:Because 90 would have been Bush won. That would have been Herbert Walker Bush. Would have been 1990. Which is interesting. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:It is anyway.
SPEAKER_01:The timelines are interesting to think about. Yeah. With it. Um, but it's also a I don't know, is it also like a parent story about being a parent?
SPEAKER_04:Totally. That's in there.
SPEAKER_01:You know.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, what did you think of that being?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I think sometimes these movies resonate with me in the sense of like what you the extent you are willing to go to to protect your children and save your children and um change your life for your children. So certain things that maybe you thought you believed so wholeheartedly that this was like the path, and then you have a child, and that just completely changes everything. And not for everybody, and I think that was a very like difficult part in the relationship between Leo and Tiana Taylor for me to watch of like somebody who's so they're both very passionate about being in this revolution, and then things change when they have a child, and and they it's not syncing up, right?
SPEAKER_04:And so and she uh per seems to be in postpartum depression, yeah, which complicates her whole value system, right?
SPEAKER_01:And and she feels isolated and alone and not getting the attention she wants from her partner, and it's so it's so difficult. And and yeah, so yeah, I mean you it made me think about like, yeah, like what you you do anything for your kid in a lot of ways, you know, and I think Leonardo DiCaprio in that film was trying to do the best he could given what he was going through to kind of be a parent, but it and almost to again comedic moments of his oddness and his paranoia and his where it just it landed so funny, and that was just who he who he is.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, he was really so great in it, and so like because obviously it's like a pinch and novel, which always has like really abstract stuff going on through the P. T. Anderson like funnel. You know, it's like some of the character names are really kooky, like Lockjaw. Right, yeah. You know, they're very like symbolic and kind of almost like a intentionally like clunky.
SPEAKER_02:The Christmas Adventures Club.
SPEAKER_04:Christmas Adventures Club.
SPEAKER_02:I feel like that gets a laugh every time it's said. It should be getting a laugh because both times we saw it every time it was mentioned in the movie.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And and it's like what that group is, it's like it has this like goofy, zany name, and it's basically a group of like older white men dedicated to like the purification of society. Yeah, it's like the KKK.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_04:And like the depiction of that was so interesting, and they're kind of like Patagonia wearing like wine toting, you know, it's also funny, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, high society, you know, old guard, you can trace your roots back to being what a white American person is they use that term native sun, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. Those, I mean, when they said that name, I mean, it's so ridiculous and so funny. Right. Um, and then Sean Penn, I mean, Sean Penn's face, you just I just wanted to punch it the whole time. I mean, if he doesn't win an Oscar, he did such a great job and so horrendously terrible. And he embodies it. I think we talked about like his body and hit the way he walks and the way he every inch of his body, just everything was like, oh my god, this guy.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and his face was so red. He was so red.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because he had a lockjaw, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it kind of had that like alcoholic look.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they all did all the Christmas adventures, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like that puffy, yeah, a little bit bloated, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Um, but like aggro popping.
SPEAKER_01:Definitely aggro, a lot of veins. Yeah, tight shirt. Tight shirt, tight shirt, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like so funny. Really an interesting, I mean an interesting juxtaposition to Leo. Right. Who's kind of got the slacker vibe, even though he's part of this revolutionary group. Watching it a second time, I got to pick up on like almost like little interludes. Like, there's a at the end, there's like a letter, and this is like spoilers galore, but there's like a letter being read from the mom to the daughter that she had to that she did end up leaving behind. And the mom basically saying, like, we tried to like change things and revolutionize things, and we failed, you know, and maybe you won't kind of like a recognition that like the violence against violence fight fire with fire didn't work. And maybe there's something else that can, and maybe the daughter will be part of that. And at the end, she's going off to a protest in like the Oakland area driving like three plus hours.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And they're playing the Tom Petty American girl. And I really thought the second time around, I was like, oh wow, this song choice is like, this is what an American girl is, right? It's not a white person, it's not a native son, it's someone who like fights back against like human rights violations. And someone who, I mean, the country's founded on like obviously this is like a complicated, overly vague thing, and we're seeing this now, but like the concept of freedom, yeah, you know, liberty it's like said all the time. And like, what does that really mean in today's picture or 15 years ago picture? You know, like freedom of expression, of pushing back.
SPEAKER_01:And then I kind of had this pessimistic thought is this just on repeat now? Like, is this just the way the world works and this country works? There's always people in power that abuse it, that abuse it and take advantage. There's always people of color who you know fight against it with and are marginalized and and hopefully fight with more white people or you know, privileged people. Yeah. But is this just the next generation? It's just rinse and repeat now. And you know, I I I'm more hopeful than that. I don't, but there were interesting things. There was a pessimism the way they left it that I I felt like the ending was a little bit more hopeful. And at the same time, there was like, well, what's gonna change with her? You know, like what with her, she's young, she's energetic, there's the hope that things will change, and and yeah, I don't know. Well, you know, to that a little bit.
SPEAKER_04:It's interesting because once they finally cut to 15 years later, the overlaid text, the narration is 15 years later, the world had changed very little. And that really, even the first time watching it, I really that line stayed with me. Like, I'm sure a lot of people look around and think that with like racism, you know, it's kind of like same candy, different rapper. A lot of this is the same. Where it was slavery, and then it became like, you know, the like imprisonment of the black male, you know, became a version of that, you know, and all these quote different ways of like governing and policing that are pretty um corrupt. Yeah, yeah, it is interesting, and maybe you know, I think they're not answering anything at the end.
SPEAKER_01:No, not at all, at all. And I don't think that's a bad thing. No, yeah, and and you know, Leo's character is just kind of despondent a little bit to all of it. He's so removed from it, he can't really even or there are certain moments where he said, I didn't think they would come find me, or I didn't you know, so his paranoia and his cautious, though we we didn't see like how that played out in 15 years, but it got to a point where he kind of let his guard down and and just was almost like whatever. It's fine, yeah. Like just kind of they moved to a uh secluded place, they're off the grid, and and it's just kind of complacency with it.
SPEAKER_04:And it's like you're safe until a powerful white man is uncomfortable with you being around, right? And and having your freedoms and your rights.
SPEAKER_01:But also with a you know, we were talking a little bit after the movie of about the parent of well, father in particular, and like almost like who there's biological, but there's also like who's your who's your caregiver, right? It's the people who give you the care, right? And and so that's also a uh relationally a thing that stuck with me of like your parent is somebody who's there with you, right?
SPEAKER_04:And yes, there's somebody biologically who Yeah, what matters like DNA or like love, exactly, and your intentions and presence, you know, and and if you think of that, the larger narrative, right? What matters like if you have w white blood in your veins or if you're a person who is kind and loving and respectful of other human life, and you know, there's like that micro and macro narrative of that. And there's even a scene where those Christmas adventurers are talking about a bounty hunter who they think is a quote good guy or whatever, good at his bounty hunting. And he's like, He's good, and they're like, Good, not great. And he's like, Well, yeah, he's not a native son, he has some like indigenous heritage, so I would not trust him. Yeah, you know, because he's doesn't he's literally because he's simply not white, which like I obviously like I am aware that this much racism exists or this brand of racism is all over the place. But I think it is powerful that it's like explicitly said in a movie like this that's such a good movie that holds your attention and really asks you to like look at this and consider this directly. Like, consider this head on. That's why I think it's appropriate for our pod because it's like there to me, there's such a wisdom in like seeing movies like this, someone making movies like this, like look at this.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and they're it's not falling into the racist trope of a southern person or a quote unquote like Hillbilly or somebody who like this is very well educated, highly positioned. I mean, you don't know what their positions are, but these are people who you I guess I don't know, I took from the movie are higher up running the country type of people.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and ways more powerful than the government, and and so horrendously racist.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Whereas usually you I feel like that sometimes is left for you know the tropes of like somebody who's uneducated or who grows up in a certain part of the country, or and this was just so in your face of like these are people who probably had the highest education or are in the highest levels of government and and still so horrendously racist people, which is also like I think that's jarring to see too, because you get so used to, or even like we fuse with the idea that it's like people who aren't educated, and it's like, yeah, that's not true at all.
SPEAKER_04:Or like it's just like distasteful and cruel versus like systemic and like held these beliefs are held by people in like with incredible power. Right. I mean, I can say we in our city have so much going on right now that's a violation of human rights. We we live in Chicago, there's ice agents everywhere, right? And it's incredibly upsetting, and it's like reaching every person at a gut level. And for me, it feels unprecedented in my own experience. Yes, you know, and I'm aware, and Josh and I talked about this, like there are people in developing countries that live like this under this kind of oppression every day, and it really when you see it in your own city, you realize like nobody deserves this, and this is like abhorrent. And it does really motivate you to want to do things and like be part of like the resistance, as like weird as that sounds, as like Star Wars as that sounds, you know. Like, really, we're living in Star Wars, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, the rebellion, yeah. Nothing wrong with getting pumped up, absolutely, totally.
SPEAKER_04:And what did you tell me? Because you were talking about this movie on another podcast about the actors.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, so I think according to um fellow podcaster and former guest on our podcast, Josh Berkowitz shout out, um I think a lot of the military characters, uh obviously not Sean Penn, but like, for instance, the interrogator who's interrogating all the daughter's friends, like trying to figure out where she is. I think he was a real military guy. Oh and a lot of like kind of the foot soldiers who like maybe don't have a ton of dialogue, but like military personnel.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:We said the first time after we saw it, we were like, wow, that was such amazing casting. Like the military people didn't feel like actors, yeah. So it's almost this like docurealism alongside these like career-defining performances from you know, some of the best actors out there, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's like that's really interesting.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's just got a real and the kids almost felt like real kids.
SPEAKER_04:Totally. They definitely felt like they really felt like real kids.
SPEAKER_01:They definitely felt like that's how a kid would respond if they were being interrogated.
SPEAKER_04:Totally.
SPEAKER_01:Like there's that one scene where you he says, Do I look like your dad? And the kid's like, uh, kind of. Or you know, like that's the response.
SPEAKER_02:It almost felt ad-lift. Totally, totally, and maybe it was scripted. I I like whatever's going on, like it is what it is.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Well, and his daughter, I I don't know that actress, but she's pretty magnetic too. Totally. Willa. She's she's incredible, and I don't know how old she is, but I mean she's playing uh high schooler.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um Chase Infinity.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, her name is Chase Infinity. Isn't that incredible? That name.
SPEAKER_02:That's a bank in a car.
SPEAKER_04:Chase, it's like Chase a Rainbow.
SPEAKER_01:It's like what's her mom's name? Profidia?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Profidia Beverly Hills. Yeah, Beverly Hills. A little more p pinchin, pinch and clinch. Totally.
SPEAKER_01:One of the guys in the French 75 was Billy Goat. He I I don't know, but he was in The Wire. And he was also in like Remember the Titans. I can't remember his character in The Wire, but um I never watched that. There was like a smaller roles that I was like recognizing people as well.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Something that also stayed with me, and Josh and I talked about this a little bit afterward. Benicio del Toro's whole ethos, like during because he was the karate instructor, the sensei.
SPEAKER_01:Sensei.
SPEAKER_04:And he was Chase Infinity's Willa's um karate instructor. And when Leonardo DiCaprio goes to him for help, you know, he helps him and he's running this, like, you know, Harriet Tubman situation out of his apartment. And he's so zen.
SPEAKER_01:Breathe.
SPEAKER_04:Right. Ocean waves. He's also drunk the whole movie. Yeah. But he's very like, we were talking about how like he's running this and like housing a lot of people and helping them like have plans for safety if they're rated. And the community around him of these people, like in this like horrible circumstance of oppression, like seem like they have very like vibrant, rich community. And he's very like at ease and like feels almost like mission-driven in a way that's like, even though this is chaotic and scary, and obviously I'm fighting against something, there's like an alignment in that person for what he's doing. And I I think that's important too, to not just show like that oppressed. I mean, it's just like it makes you more impressed with people undergoing that stuff and having such rich lives and like finding community and finding love and finding places to live with and having kids and having a family. And he like introduces Leonardo to the newest member of the family, he's this like little boy, and there's something like obviously that's so real, it's so much more realistic than a movie that just shows like like sadness and suffering.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like they are kind of building their life around this situation, they're not letting this situation dictate how they live their lives. I mean, to a certain extent they are, but they're they're like, This is the circumstance, and we are going to live our lives. Yes. And not that that's easy, but yeah, there is a sense of really embodying the lives they want to live, and and I'm sure there's fear there, and they're doing it alongside of that fear and in a way that feels yeah fulfilling to them. Yeah, yeah. I just love when people call somebody a sensei. I maybe that goes back to like teenage mutant ninja turtles or something like that. But I love when like people are, you know, sensei, like it's just so cool.
SPEAKER_03:Leonard Gabriel being like, Thank you, Sensei.
SPEAKER_01:Right, exactly. It's I there's something about that that's so I just really like that when there's like a sensei character who you know has that respect and that people listen and you know, yeah, almost like a pillar in the community, right? Yeah, and it almost seemed like he knew just everybody.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like he's driving the car, and that kid comes up on the he shouts out to that kid on the skateboard, and the kid like grabs onto it.
SPEAKER_01:It's almost like you he's like the mayor of this thing, but uh in a karate, but he's a karate instructor. I just have this like vision that he's literally every kid is like going to him from like first, second, and third grade. So he knows every single parent, he knows every single kid. Yeah, and he's the guy who like you would send to him if your kid got out of line at school. You know, such a great character.
SPEAKER_04:He's great, and he's so well cast, yeah, and he's funny, he's so funny, yeah. It's like moving and and like inspiring and like almost like incentivizing, you know, to like get out there and really like push against this stuff, and also like fun and joyful, and the music is great while also being meaningful and kind of cueing you to like different thoughts. It it's great. I I really think it is a masterpiece.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's a great film and definitely see it now.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, see it now.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe don't sleep on it or say you're you'll get to it. See it now. Totally.
SPEAKER_04:You were saying it made 130 million?
SPEAKER_02:I think so. Yeah, I think it has made 130 million, which wow, a lot for P.T. Anderson film for yeah, for like an art film.
SPEAKER_01:I think a lot of people, I think it's striking a nerve, rightfully so. And I mean, we're talking about it. I think a lot of people are talking about it.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, what? And like maybe I'm jumping the gun here, but like in our whole lifetimes, when's the last time you remember a movie kind of being an event like this that like I feel like the ones I would name would be Avatar, Harry Potter? Like Top Gun, yeah, like kind of like franchises that don't have a lot of what's the word like gusto?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but like like really push you towards something. It feels revolutionary, yeah. Yes.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, the only thing that comes to mind, and it's interesting because it is a Spielberg film, but would have been Schindler's List when that came out.
SPEAKER_02:Everybody was a little bit late, came out like 40 years after the Holly Congress. Spielberg should have made it faster.
SPEAKER_04:So maybe I misinterpreted what you were asking, but I guess I was thinking about a film where it was like Well, but I think he was speaking to like current day anti-Semitism.
SPEAKER_01:Impactful. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe I misinterpreted your question.
SPEAKER_02:No, I was joking. I mean, I've actually never seen Schindler's List, so I really can't talk, and I also need to revoke my title as a Jew. Uh we should watch Schindler's List.
SPEAKER_01:But I think that was such a that was such a just everybody was talking about it. It was just very much like it was just something everybody was talking about. How entertaining is that movie? I mean, it's really difficult to watch.
SPEAKER_02:Would you say that one battle after another is difficult to watch? No. No, it's like an action comedy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. I know. I would not say that.
SPEAKER_02:It's like almost a popcorn film.
SPEAKER_04:That's why I think it's special.
SPEAKER_02:I know. I I the more I think about it, the more I'm like, I don't know anything like this ever. Am I being insane to make that claim? I don't know. I can all sleep on it. I can't think of anything that checks all those boxes in quite the same way.
SPEAKER_01:No. There's nothing about Schindler's List that reminds me of like how funny this movie. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, like Inglorious Bastards.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that was but even that, it's like the enemy is always this other.
SPEAKER_02:It's a little more cartoonish.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. I mean, I'm sure I'm like missing big movies where they're like doing a better job of really questioning. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Please write in if you have um ones. Yeah. Yeah, I'd be curious. Write us a letter.
SPEAKER_04:Because I also would love to rewatch those movies. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, re-ask your question. Because I'm now I don't need well, it's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:What was like a movie that was what's a movie on par with one battle after another in terms of how it is both so entertaining.
SPEAKER_01:But so in the moment.
SPEAKER_02:So in the moment and zeichisty, so topical.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Let me throw something else out there. But also evergreen seeming. Yeah. Let me throw well. I don't know if this one's evergreen, but um The Matrix.
SPEAKER_02:Sure. Yeah. No, that's probably. Yeah. You know what? That's a great idea.
SPEAKER_01:Because I think people at that point when technology was where it was, it was kind of like questioning where are we going with this? I don't know. That at that moment felt a little bit like wow, this is really in the Terminator.
SPEAKER_04:And I I mean, I obviously you guys are obsessed with Keanu Reeves, and I I do love the Matrix. The Matrix. And I feel no shame saying that. But the exorcist. No, I I the word that just came to mind that maybe like kind of like for me came up with one battle after another is like it feels like galvanizing. Galvanizing. And like, was the matrix like galvanizing?
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_04:It was much more entertaining. It was a little more abstract, like the questions it was raising. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Well, beyond that, it's a little depressing.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:That's true. More than this movie. This movie is not depressing.
SPEAKER_04:No.
SPEAKER_02:I felt so pumped up after. Yeah. And still.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I mean, maybe there's something that is similar.
SPEAKER_02:Also so uplifting. Because the The Exorcist, you know. Your favorite. Big Cultural Revolution. Wait, how does that your favorite? I wouldn't call that an uplifting movie. No, I'm trying to think of movies that aren't like No, it's not movies that aren't a hot take.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think The Exorcist is an uplifting movie by any means. I guess really.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, movies that aren't like a Marvel movie or part of like a big like I don't know what I'm saying. Children's franchise. Yeah. I don't know why I'm ruling all these movies out. Yeah, why am I rule? Because it's like this movie's based off a book. Exorcist is based off a book. Is Matrix based off of a comic book, or is that totally original? I don't think so. Is that the only original movie?
SPEAKER_04:Isn't it based off like Plato's theory of the forms? That's like probably. Yeah. I gotta bone up. Right. It's the second time I've like done that kind of shaviness to Josh where I asked him if a quote was from Shakespeare.
SPEAKER_02:He was like, I don't know. Are you testing me? Nice.
SPEAKER_04:That was not intentional.
SPEAKER_01:No, I know. Well, and to be fair, you know, again, I think people are having a reaction to this movie. Yeah. And and do I've seen some things written that it's you know, it riles people up. And I think it it depends on your background, your lens. Background, your view, your lens that you're looking at it through. I just think that's interesting when people are having such a reaction in whatever way they're having it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. What were yeah, what were the negative reactions?
SPEAKER_01:I think it's a little bit of, you know, like maybe like this is a little bit like trying to incite people to um do violence. Yeah, to do like violent. People love saying that about movies.
SPEAKER_02:I felt that way about The Joker. Yeah, you called The Joker.
SPEAKER_01:That was one.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, not as good of a movie. Really well made in a lot of ways, but yeah, that movie kind of pissed me off. I was like, I feel like someone's gonna watch this movie and shoot up a school.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, you felt like that.
SPEAKER_02:I I got that vibe.
SPEAKER_04:And you don't usually, you're a filmmaker, you don't usually give a lot of license.
SPEAKER_02:I'm always on the end of like, hey, you're pushing some buttons, that's a good thing. Like, oh, your movie pissed a bunch of people off. Great.
SPEAKER_01:Anyway, so some conservative field is really what is.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, I knew that would come up. You know, that's and only and only they're allowed to use the violence, right? Well the government is allowed to use the five.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's the hypocrisy within that, right? If you see yourself in this film, you're gonna have or like it's holding up a mirror to you. Yeah. People are gonna have a reaction or be defensive about it. Certainly, if you see yourself in a lot of these heinous kind of characters, um, you get defensive about it. I I don't know how else to describe it.
SPEAKER_04:And without like going into too much detail, but it just if you're having a reaction, maybe explore that a little bit, like you know, yeah, because it's like, and this is so clear now in our world, but it's like the idea that the government has license to do whatever it wants, do whatever it wants, and inflict violence and force on people. It's really being shown right in a film like this that it there is no justification for that.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely, and also there was a subtle moment too. Maybe it wasn't so subtle, but there's a moment where it's like a standoff, right? And it's like a kind of a classic moment of people in the streets, there's fire, there's possible riot about to happen, and they're standing however many yards away from the police, right? And the guard, and they're in all of their riot gear. And the, you know, Lockjaw calls in and says, whatever. He says, Okay, send in Van Halen, right? And so immediately on cue, they just send somebody in who's dressed up as if they were a part of this contingent uh of rioters and throws a Molotov cocktail and then that keeps giving them license to then use deadly force, which is exactly what's happening in our city currently, right? On people, so it without even batting an eye, it's just like we've done this before. This is the protocol. We want to use force, but we don't want to be called on it. We made it that we did it, that we made a mistake. So we're gonna make the civilians look like they started it, and we have somebody dressed and just go in and do it. Yeah, and then you could see that happening. Yeah, totally, you know, totally.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I think that's a lot of people, a lot of journalists are writing about how trying to create unnecessary drama is happening.
SPEAKER_01:Portland, happening in Chicago, which also that has been a conservative kind of from their playbook as well about January 6th, yeah, right. Not to get too political on this podcast, but that yeah, that was FBI agents doing that, that was people on the left who really incited the violence. Right.
SPEAKER_04:You know, that's something that has been and yeah, maybe there's like this larger narrative of like it's like the violence in any place is a violation, you know, and that's what this country isn't about.
SPEAKER_01:Right. It's how I like to think. Well, yeah, and how are we treating our own? Yeah, right. Like how do you treat your the people you know what that there was that book called Just Mercy, um, and I think it was made into a film with Michael B. Jordan. But the author was basically saying, like, if you, you know, look at how a country or you know, your legal system treats your own, right? As a reflection of like how well is your country doing?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Like, how are you treating the people who actually live there? You know, yes, of course you want a legal system and things like that, but how are you treating those people, right? They they are still due respect and they're still due human rights, human rights, absolutely, and all of that is being just thrown by the wayside. Yeah, and granted, people will say, Well, they're they don't live here, they're not, you know, that type of, and it's like, well, that's nonsense, right? Like I mean, it's they do live here, yeah. And yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So our our take is it's wise to see this movie, to feel galvanized, hopefully, by it. Or I mean you're obviously entitled to feel whatever you feel about it, but we love it.
SPEAKER_02:See it. It's wise to feel how we felt.
SPEAKER_04:It's only wise to feel how to mirror our exact experience. Anyway. Love it.
SPEAKER_01:Movie. It was great. It was great, it was a great movie. We haven't done it since ordinary people.
SPEAKER_03:I know.
SPEAKER_04:We we really like we gotta work these movies and sometimes they'll be therapy movies, but this one I think is in a way can be a therapy movie.
SPEAKER_02:We've been waiting for one as good as ordinary people, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Since the first, absolutely, yeah, totally. Um, wait, speaking of ordinary people, the scary show we watched did have Timothy Hutton in it. Oh, really? Yeah, he plays the dad, the older dad. Wow. Yeah, he was okay in it. Yeah, it's not a very meaty role.
SPEAKER_02:Got no meat. Got no meat on those bones. He's just like, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:That's my that's my Timothy Hutton impression.
SPEAKER_01:It got one Kelly. That's a good review.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Um, okay. So let's move into our how wise is it.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, how wise is it in. So today.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's pretty connected to our overall topic. So remind me, John, it's how wise is it to put walnuts in your banana bread?
SPEAKER_01:No, it's just any type of nuts. I remember I had made the I had made banana bread. This was a few episodes back. I had mentioned that. Yeah. And the recipe called for nuts. And so, how wise is it to put nuts? Include nuts in your banana bread recipe. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Or I guess we could even say include nuts in any kind of like bread or cake.
SPEAKER_01:True.
SPEAKER_04:Like pumpkin bread or zucchini bread.
SPEAKER_01:All the breads.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, what what do we think?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. You know, I'm not a fan.
SPEAKER_04:You're not? Okay, tell us.
SPEAKER_01:No, I don't like I like nuts to be their own thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:A lot of times. There are certain recipes that you need nuts, you know, kind of chopped up or things like that. Banana bread, I'm not, I'm not on board with that. I've even had brownies that have had nuts in them.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, that is so outrageous. I don't, I'm not a fan. It's like when you bite into something with a little bite to it and a brownie, you're hoping it's a chocolate chip.
SPEAKER_01:A chocolate chip.
SPEAKER_04:Like or chocolate chunk.
SPEAKER_01:Well, and banana bread, but the recipe I make has chocolate chips, certainly. But either way, I don't want nuts in it.
SPEAKER_04:Nuts and a brownie. It's like, get on.
SPEAKER_01:Next question. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So how do you explain peanut MMs?
SPEAKER_01:It just works.
SPEAKER_04:They're a whole different thing. They're not called brownie.
SPEAKER_01:They're also not called bread.
SPEAKER_04:They're called the peanut is the first word.
SPEAKER_02:So that's nut-based. That's a nut-based. You're like mainly a nut. You got a chocolate. With a little chocolate around.
SPEAKER_04:A thin shell.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. You got chocolate around. Okay.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So let's say you got a nut around. We don't like it.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. I for me on the bread, I don't, I'm not a fan.
SPEAKER_04:I I feel similarly. Like, I think I'm a little less strong because it's like if someone made me banana bread and they brought it over and it had nuts in it. Walnuts. Walnuts almost sounds like the best. Yeah, I love walnuts. Yeah, walnuts probably is. It's like a big sauce. Walnuts is honestly probably the only even passable nut in a other nut you would make it. Like if there were like almonds and a bread, I mean that's true.
SPEAKER_02:My throat hurts.
SPEAKER_01:Like shaved, shaved almonds, maybe people could try for that. Oh yeah, it would probably have to be a walnut. And it would look weird.
SPEAKER_04:But it's like walnuts and banana bread. If someone like me, I'm like picturing the best case scenario. Like I'm telling I'm making it. Someone made it for me and dropped it off, and it's like homemade. And I'm if I'm being generous, I'm saying it's like really moist, delicious banana bread. Yeah. If there's a walnut in there, it's like I'm not like, oh no.
SPEAKER_01:I'm more like, let's be real. Of course, I'll eat it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:But then it's like as I'm breaking into those nuts, I'd probably be like, I want this to be smooth bread.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Like, I just want this to be like banana goodness.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe that's where the sometimes you just don't want bread that it has like bird seed in it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Like some of those breads where it's God, some people are obsessed with like the grainiest bread.
SPEAKER_01:The grainiest bread, which I like is some grain sometimes, but I I do think of banana bread as like a dessert and almost like a treat. And so I don't want the nuts, the nuttiness. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I'm just having this memory, this like sense memory of when I went to college and went to Washiu. And they, in the like the freshman slash kind of like sophomore student housing, where they had, oh my god, shout out to Bears now, which was like the place we would go. I don't even know if it exists anymore, but they made PBJ with banana bread. Oh, interesting. And they like wrapped them and they were like ready to eat. And you can't do it. That sounds really good. And they were genuinely, I think, on the packages that they were like 3,000 calories. Like it was like crazy. I was like, this can't be right. Yeah. Because I could eat five of these, you know. But yeah, oh my god, PB and J with banana butter was so good. And no nuts, obviously. The peanut butter with nuts would have been crazy. But yeah, it's like, yeah, Josh, what do you think?
SPEAKER_02:It's not wise. Okay. It's and I I'm usually more nuanced than this. So you really know I'm coming with fire. Yeah, we this is a take right here. I think a walnut's best case scenario, but like I'm imagining it with a walnut versus not a walnut.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I want it with not a walnut.
SPEAKER_04:Same. That's exactly what it is. You're like, if you have the option, you're like, please no nuts.
SPEAKER_02:And this this isn't even deep. I just don't want it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Because yeah, you want the moisture. If I want texture, give me like chocolate chunks. Right. And even then, don't make them so hard.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:If they're like almost, you know, my my aunt, my aunt, isn't this Julie makes this? Doesn't Julie make that banana bread? Or am I butchering this? Is it my Aunt Julie's banana bread?
SPEAKER_04:I I don't know actually.
SPEAKER_02:I think my Aunt Julie makes this banana bread.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. Maybe we had it in the case.
SPEAKER_02:I get mixed up because anytime we come to like one of our family events, there's all these desserts that are just and I'll ask and then I forget, but I'm possibly now remembering. Well, Leslie makes those like bars. Leslie makes the coconut and the chocolate. Yes. Yeah. Um, no nuts. Also, allergies. Everyone's allergic to things these days, and you increase the chances of that by putting nuts in and make the dessert worse. Yeah. True. So it's like preaching to the choir.
SPEAKER_04:So, but maybe we can wonder like chocolate or no chocolate in your banana bread.
SPEAKER_02:Chocolate. I'm very pro-chocolate.
SPEAKER_04:I think I like it without.
SPEAKER_02:Really? Have you had my Aunt Juli's?
SPEAKER_04:Listen, I like a banana bread with chocolate in it. But if I'm looking at one slice of chocolate, one slice without. Wow. I'd almost want the one without and like put butter on it. Savory salty. Clean it a little more savory, but it's still salty.
SPEAKER_01:Salted butter?
SPEAKER_04:Oh yeah. Of course.
SPEAKER_01:Then you'll put some extra.
SPEAKER_04:It's not salted butter, I'm putting salt on it.
SPEAKER_01:I'm salting my butter.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. With the little flakes. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, I'm picking, I'm picking the chocolate if those two are side by side.
SPEAKER_04:Wow. I guess on the right day I might pick the chocolate, but I think mostly I wouldn't. Well, you would too.
SPEAKER_02:Nice gooey chunks with if it's my Aunt Julie's. Nice, nice gooey, like chewy, almost like kind of like globular chocolate banana bread? Banana chocolate chunks in the banana bread. Globular chocolate chunks? In the banana bread.
SPEAKER_03:Wow.
SPEAKER_02:You've had this. I see that. They're pretty big. They're not like, I don't like when you're biting and you like bite into a chocolate chip and it almost like chips your tooth. Okay, no. That's not what I'm talking about. These are like melted and very integrated into the bottom of the chip.
SPEAKER_03:But how could they how could they be hard like that if they're baked? They're not hard. No, but how could any banana bread have hard?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know, you just like put them in after.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think anyone's doing that.
SPEAKER_02:I'm just imagining something bad that I've like never even had. That doesn't exist. Well, like on a chocolate chip cookie, on a chocolate chip cookie, sometimes the chocolate chips are like can be hard.
SPEAKER_04:Well, yeah, once they've cooled and like some places like refrigerate them. God, can I just say, like, I've had so many chocolate chip cookies in the last, let's say, like year or two that are just so like mid. Like, bring back gooey, delicious chocolate chip cookies. Like, what happened? Like, if I get one from Starbucks, like I was at the airport and I was like, I need something sweet. I got a chocolate chip cookie and I was like, This is for the birds. Like, why does this make sense?
SPEAKER_00:Well, what was wrong with it? It was dry.
SPEAKER_04:It just was like kind of dry. There was targeted chocolate, and it wasn't like that like kind of gooey taste.
SPEAKER_01:Like, was it baked too long?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I think it was overbaked. And I think that might be the problem with a lot of these, like when you go and buy a cookie somewhere, it's overbaked.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, Pop Belly has pretty good cookies. Yeah, those are oatmeal chocolate.
SPEAKER_01:Those are usually very soft. Yeah. Those cookies at Pop Belly's.
SPEAKER_04:And the Subway ones can be good.
SPEAKER_02:We had didn't we have a good one over the weekend? At that coffee place? I thought it was good. Wait. I like when it's got a lot of salt on it.
SPEAKER_03:Wait, where were we?
SPEAKER_02:At some coffee place.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, we tried this place called Millie by Metric, this Logan Square Coffee or no Avondale Coffee Place. I didn't like that very much. I honestly was like, I wish this was a hundred times better. Like it had a hundred times. That's a lot of times of room for improvement. And honestly, I'm gonna go ahead and say it. I didn't think the coffee was that good.
SPEAKER_02:Ooh. The cold brew was quite delectable.
SPEAKER_04:You said the cold brew was great, which I believe. I believe the brewed coffee is good. But I was like, this latte there was a latte that had a little bit of seltzer in it, it was like a special kind of latte. It was like, to me, it was undrinkable. That sounds terrible. Yeah, it was really bad.
SPEAKER_03:And then I didn't even drink it in a latte. And I I didn't drink it.
SPEAKER_01:Is that like an Italian soda with like, you know, how they called it like a cream soda latte or something?
SPEAKER_04:Weird. Yeah. I ended up tossing it, or you drank it. I sucked it right down. You drank it. And then I got a regular vanilla, iced vanilla latte without milk. And it I didn't, I don't even think I drank that much of it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you put it in the frig, and I kind of sucked that down last time.
SPEAKER_01:Leftovers. We've already covered it. It's a wild. Well, if I'm having like a midnight leftover of banana bread. Ooh.
SPEAKER_02:I didn't want to fall asleep during that sappy finale of the Hills show.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Well, you know, nuts are optional.
SPEAKER_04:Nuts are optional. And if you're making banana bread for someone, maybe ask them if they like nuts. Should I even some people put raisins in? Isn't that a good thing?
SPEAKER_01:Raisins don't have don't no. Stop. I can't with raisins. Do you know that? What's the guy's name, David Chang? Is he a famous? Josh just brought him up over the weekend. What was his uh mama fu?
SPEAKER_00:Momo fuku.
SPEAKER_01:Mumu mama.
unknown:Mamo.
SPEAKER_00:Mumufuku.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so it's mumufuku. Um, he has like a Netflix show. I don't think it really called Ugly Delicious. Is wait, is that where he has like um famous people and he cooks for them?
SPEAKER_04:No, that was his first show. This one is called like Dinner Time Live.
SPEAKER_01:Have you ever watched his show where he's like cooking for famous people?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's a little all over the place.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's so all over the place. Did you watch the one with Adam Scott?
SPEAKER_04:No.
SPEAKER_01:So I'm paraphrasing here, but David Chang was basically saying the reason nobody takes American cooking seriously is because we're the country that developed um a recipe for ants on a log. Which I think is that's so fair, super funny. Yeah. Um, and he kind of like reimagined it um a little bit in an Asian way, which was really cool to watch him do that. But Adam Scott's a huge fan of which he's hilarious, of Ants on a Log. Oh my god. But it just felt very validating to me because like raisins are just so gross, and I just and like I don't want to raisins plus like peanut butter plus celery, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:It's like the textures and the flavors of the colour.
SPEAKER_01:We could do a whole episode on that, but just raisins, don't even bring it.
SPEAKER_04:And then you're calling it like here's bugs, right?
SPEAKER_02:They should just change the name of it to here's bugs, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And the celery's worthless, it's just the vehicle for the peanut butter. Yeah, I mean, certainly there's a crunch there.
SPEAKER_04:I heard this one actual true chef, um, Nancy Silverton, when she serves celery, she peels it. And I'm thinking all of us, if we had peeled celery, we might like it.
SPEAKER_01:So the riff that David Chang did was he peeled celery and almost made noodles out of it.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01:And then he like put it in a dish with like this peanut butter sauce that he made. And then when you picked it up, and it was a riff on an Asian dish that I believe is called Ants Up a Tree or something like that. Because when you take the noodles, then the and you take them in, you know, your chopstick, then that's when the um you see the like the raisins or whatever it is that's in it. So yeah. So he kind of that would that was his riff. He was like, if I have to make this, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And did they um like it?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, they loved it. I forget who the other guest was, but he's an actor. I think he's he might have directed some stuff, but yeah, uh Adam Scott was loving it. I love Adam Scott, but he loves ants on a log. Yeah, it's great. So anyway, no ants in the banana bread.
SPEAKER_04:No ants in the banana bread. No, no logs in the bread. No logs in the banana bread, no celery.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. What's probably the best nut to eat dessert? Pecan pie?
SPEAKER_02:Ew. I like that. Oh, I don't like it. It's so much work. Is it? To eat it or to make it? It's like my teeth got hard. Chocolate pecan pie is good. I've never made it. Yeah. I've never made it as an actor.
SPEAKER_04:It's so sweet, which I kind of like. Yeah. I'll have to think about it.
SPEAKER_03:Pecan pie, yeah. What else could be like?
SPEAKER_01:I almost think like because I just feel like the nut is never the main event. And so pecan pie is like it's the main event.
SPEAKER_04:And that's sometimes I like nuts in like some ice creams.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but that's not the main event. Yeah, ice cream is. Are we talking of physical hard nut? I'm just thinking of like a dessert where the nut is like king.
SPEAKER_04:Peanut butter fill in the blank doesn't count because that's a But peanut peanuts are technically not nuts, they're legumes. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Well, even there you go. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't push my glasses up my head. Yeah, I mean wait a suck the fun out of this one. Actually, John.
SPEAKER_02:You're being a real lock job.
SPEAKER_01:What you didn't know was I'm trying to think, I mean say legume. And potatoes are a starch, by the way. They're not a vegetable.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my god. It's like it truly could be my whole personality.
SPEAKER_02:But if I let it, if I just let it. Almond Joy's got nuts.
SPEAKER_01:Mounds don't. Which mounds are better than Almond Joy's? And didn't we find that Almond Joy predated mounds? We did. I think that was an appre- now. We're just repeating everything we repeat. If you're still listening by now, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:God save you.
SPEAKER_01:Hopefully you've hopefully you've left and bought your ticket for your tender family. One battle after another.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Okay. Well, if you guys think of a really great like nut forward display that you think is just like great that we're missing, write in. We'd love to hear it. You can find me at kkpsychotherapy.com. Send me an inquiry about nut desserts, about working with me, about anything at all. What about you, John?
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, you can always reach me at butts btz. Jonathan at gmail.com. And I do want to plug, unfortunately. Uh found out today that D'Angelo passed away. Oh my god. Soul artist, RB artist who D'Angelo. Yeah, wasn't it? Wasn't he like 50 king? He was like 51. Uh he died of cancer, which apparently he kept that very private. So please listen to his music. He I feel like he really embodied and almost like ushered in that neo-soul era. And so um definitely that's so sad.
SPEAKER_02:It is really sad. We've never even talked about D'Angelo because he hasn't made an album. Well, he made that album like a few years ago.
SPEAKER_01:He made Black Messiah. It's so good in 2014.
SPEAKER_02:He has like three albums, but yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So anyway, so I do want to offer a plug. Listen to D'Angelo, enjoy it. His music's amazing.
SPEAKER_02:So yeah, I'm a fan. That's sad.
SPEAKER_01:It is sad, but anyway, John.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I'll plug myself. Uh JoshBearfilms.com. You can find me and I'll edit anything, really. Like, I uh I really edit so many documentaries, but I will edit anything. A podcast, a cooking show. Love it. Even a political show. Uh I also I I don't think I ever really plugged the new Geese album. Uh it's really good. Are you a geese fan, John?
SPEAKER_01:Is Geese the Am I thinking? It's not goose.
SPEAKER_04:Cameron Winter.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay. Wait. What what's the one that's like fair? Good memory, Kelly. Goose. Okay, then no. Third damn band.
SPEAKER_02:Then I don't know geese. Kelly, how I don't know geese. That's called Goose. Kelly, how would you describe Geese from what little you've heard?
SPEAKER_01:I only know Gander. Now, is this a silly goose? I don't know it.
SPEAKER_04:What did I say? Didn't I compare it to someone?
SPEAKER_02:I think you said this isn't for me.
SPEAKER_04:Or did I say who did I say it sounded like?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know who the. I think he sounds like a mix between Tom York and Mick Jagger.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. I'm gonna have to look that up and listen to it.
SPEAKER_02:It's indie rock. It rocks. The lyrics are like pretty weird and good. It's like the kind word, there's like a lot going on. Like I feel like you can listen to it on headphones. It's like on your tenth list and you're catching new stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Perfect. If the song is 20 minutes, you've you're listening to Goose.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, these songs they barely crack you. You've taken a wrong turn. It might be a six-minute song, and like you're pushing with that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Perfect. Um got it. Love the plug. And then yeah, we want to think Getting Killed by Geese.
SPEAKER_02:That's the name of the album.
SPEAKER_01:And thank you to Blanket Forts. Yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER_04:Thank you to Blanket Forts as always for the music.
SPEAKER_02:We love you.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks everyone. Thank you until next time. We'll be with you next week. Bye. Bye. The Wiseman Happy Hour podcast is for entertainment purposes only, not to be treated as medical advice. If you are struggling with your mental health, please seek medical attention or counseling.