Pop Culture Happy Hour: Tame Impala, Jeff Bezos and Bugonia

Kelly and Josh take the helm on this one, barreling through all the latest pop culture at record speed and leaving no prisoners...and how wise is it to bring out a game at a party?

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Transcript

Kelly And Josh Fly Solo;

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Welcome to the wise minds happy hour. I'm Kelly.

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And I'm Josh.

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It's Kelly and Josh tonight.

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Kelly and Josh only today today.

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Kelly and Josh only today. John, um, well, actually, Josh has to go away. John wasn't able to record a second episode this past week. So Josh and I decided to just do it ourselves. And of course, we miss John.

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We miss John so much. I'm crying. Tears. Not tears of joy, tears of sad. Tears of allergy. Tears of tears of allergy.

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Yeah.

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Did we turn the heat off? Do we need to turn the heat off? It's not so noisy as the air conditioner.

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No, I think it's okay.

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Yeah, okay.

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I think we're okay.

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Okay.

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Put right in, let us know.

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Text us. Yeah. You really can just text us on the app. Yeah. On the pod that says like text us. Yeah. I imagine we'll get the text. I don't think anyone's texted us yet.

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No. But that would be that'll be so fun. Totally.

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The other day, our friend Morgan, shout out Morgan.

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Hey Morgan.

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Morgan Princing, about to have a baby.

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Yeah.

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Um, she she told us that uh a movie similar to one battle after another is not a movie at all, but uh the Watchmen TV show.

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Oh, yes, and we haven't seen it, so we were thinking about putting it in the queue.

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Yeah, I'd seen the first very beginning of it because I think I told you we were trying to throw my stepdad Jeff a bone and like watch an action show, and then I guess it was a bit heady for him. So my mom and I just kept watching leftovers.

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Yeah, which was good. I watched the first season of that.

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That was it's weird, yeah. I loved it. Yeah. I'd watch Watchmen though.

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Yeah, totally. Speaking of weird, Josh and I are fresh off dinner and a movie, a matinee and a movie. Um, and we also hung out today with John and his kids, which was so fun. We'll talk about that more.

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Yeah, with John.

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With John, yeah. But it was a blast.

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Gonna try to get him on the park. He's cute. I love these kids.

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He'd be a great guest.

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Yeah, he'd be a great, yeah. What did uh uh uh John's son uh Shane actually said he thinks that um I should have a bigger role on the pod. So I think he's gonna be happy about tonight's episode.

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Yeah, he subtly asks if Josh could have more of a presence speaking, which is so cute.

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He's taking the shine to me.

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Yeah, so no, his kids were great, they were so wonderful, it was so fun. Yeah. Shout out Wes and Sarah and John, of course. It was so fun.

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There are lifelong family friends. Yeah. You hear that?

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There are hostages as friends. Yeah.

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Pressure has been applied. We're gonna have lots of dinner parties. Yeah, every night. It's mandatory. Yeah.

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Yeah, but we went after that, we went to a matinee of Bogonia, Yorgos Lanthemos's most recent movie. Um, and then we went to have dinner at this Chinese place near us, which was great.

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It was called Shanghai.

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Shanghai.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And the portions were obscene.

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The biggest I've ever seen.

Matinee Reflections And Giant Dinners;

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Yeah. I mean, truly, each dish, they didn't even make it seem like it was for one person. Each dish looked like it was for about five people. Yeah. Put a big spoon in it, like serve this around. So we might be having a little more after the pod. Yeah, totally. And if if you um are in Chicago and you're you know, like on the north side and you want good old Chinese, you know, and you go with a few people, like, know that each entree is pretty much gonna feed like five.

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Yeah.

Bond, Bezos, And Creative Control;

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So yeah, but it was great. But anyway, we thought, like, after seeing begonia, we're like, maybe we'll do a little pop culture happy hour. Why is mine happy hour colon pop culture edition? Just because we've been like watching a few things laughing about a few things coming up in pop culture. One we were talking about was this whole thing with I guess this happened a bit ago, but now it's like in the news right now that Jeff Bezos acquired creative control of the Bond, the James Bond franchise, which means he has like control of like who directs it, casting, and he wants allegedly he wants his wife to be cast as a Bond girl.

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It's gonna be Bezos and his wife. I mean, is gonna be the next Bond. Yeah. Does he want to be Bond?

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No, I don't think so.

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They have the same initials. Jeff Bezos, James Bond. Oh, he's gonna be Bond.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Or James Blonde.

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It's really an interesting. I mean, we were judging it hardcore. Like, how dumb is this? But yeah, I guess there was also rumors when they were getting married that sh he was gonna buy Vogue for her and like make her like editor-in-chief. Or no, maybe make her on the cover put her on the cover.

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I would buy Vogue for you. Wouldn't that be romantic?

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I mean, it's like out of no business running that or being on it or whatever. I mean, that's sweet. I love that you say that.

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Thanks. As you say on air, I'm gonna be prominently chastised after the fact.

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No, why would I chastise you?

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No, you wouldn't.

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Yeah.

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I just like to make jokes on air about us having a toxic relationship. Behind the scenes, there's a lot of drama.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, there's a lot of drama behind the scenes. Yeah, all our fights. We've talked about this on the podcast.

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It's completely insane to have fights on the pod.

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We've basically done it.

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Well, we had a day where we were like basically grogging.

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Yeah, hung over. Yeah, but I said the couch was a dragon red, and you were like, I don't think that at all.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah, myself.

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Yeah.

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I like that.

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Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like, how wise is it to like buy a famous film? And it's not like he's buying something that's so highbrow and ruining it. It's not like he's buying the Met and like putting her face in every exhibit. That'll must be better. I mean, I don't I don't think so, but it is like a little sad, it feels.

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Yeah. The end of Bond.

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No, no, more the meta narrative of like, oh, these billionaires are just gonna like take over creative control of things and do whatever like they want. It's like someone wealthy saying, like, oh well, my kid wants to run, I don't know, Chipotle or something. Yeah, Chipotle. It's all changed based on what they want.

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We're gonna change it to Chipotle.

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Like, I don't know, it just feels very I don't even know what the word is.

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Not democratic.

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Like dystopian.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's my shadow narrative. What if like out of this comes this great slew of just independent film and TV because people are craving it so much that it just like because you know, at the end of the day, if we believe in capitalism, if like a big percentage of our country is willing to pay for good content that isn't created by Jeff Bezos, you know, you can't stop other people from making that.

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But no, no.

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But yeah, I guess you can stop people from making bonds. So is that sad?

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I mean, no, because it's a franchise that I'm not like so overly attached to, but it's not like I have no relationship to it. I I've seen a lot of the movies.

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I mean, what if Donald Trump bought Harry Potter? Oh god, and was like, we're gonna put like Ivanka Trump.

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Harry Potter is sort of trumpy. She is trumpy, she's a turf.

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Great storyteller, though.

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You know, she wrote the original Harry Potter on napkins. I know, I heard that story. I feel like that must be a myth.

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Yeah. Right?

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I don't know. I like it.

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Yeah, it's a great, it's like a great anecdote. Like, I think they say that about Aaron Sorkin, even too. That he'll write things on like a post-it, on like a bag of cocaine. Well, literally. But yeah, anyway, like Aaron Sorkin maybe would write, would write that way. That was the rumor. Um, but yeah, so it's an interesting piece of data. We don't have some like perfect critique of it, but I was feeling a little sad about that. But I really do like your take of, you know what? There may be a response to this that's good. The pushback of some sort, which it's maybe more funding for independent films, would be wonderful.

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And maybe that's going on now. Like, I don't, I'm not at all of the mindset right now. And again, this could change as things are rapidly changing. That art is dead. Like, we just saw a really wild movie with big name actors and like seems like a budget. You know, Yorgos is getting money now. He's getting nominated for Oscars, he's making really weird stuff. Yeah, PT Anderson, and you know, smaller directors whose names I can't think of right now. Like music, I feel like has never been better. Like, you know. Yeah. I think there's are you like rolling your eyes at me? No. Oh, okay.

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I'm not rolling my eyes at me.

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Oh, okay.

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I roll my eyes.

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I thought.

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No, I was just saying I like that take.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But maybe I'm like a toxic optimist for like I always think like art is good. Yeah. Cause like the world is like often bad.

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Yeah.

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So I guess I just hope that continues to happen.

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Yeah. Yeah. I agree. It's funny the other way. I was feeling my fee.

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Um, I thought what I was saying maybe wasn't landing.

Is Art Dead Or Just Evolving;

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No, I mean, you might have caught me like thinking about what I was gonna say. Oh, is that what that face is? I mean, maybe. Okay, I need to really like power through. It took maybe a nanosecond to think of to ponder what you were saying in my reaction. A manosecond.

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Well, this happens to me almost every time we're talking.

The Manosphere And Media Influence;

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They're called manoseconds.

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So, what is the manosphere? You've mentioned it twice on the pod now.

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And I've kind of pretended to know it. I mean, I believe it's very relevant to podcasts. I mean, those are this be our subject? The manosphere? I don't know enough about it. But I would I can say what I think I know about it, my impression of it is it's like right-leaning or very right um, like very masculine, very hetero um male podcasters who basically kind of got Trump elected. Some people would already Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is he would be the man of the man of the sphere.

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Yeah, he's like their god. Man of sphere.

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Yeah, like Theo Vaughn, I think counts. There's a guy, um Andrew left. Andrew left?

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Uh he was in the GameStop talk that I no no Andrew big uh hedge fund uh oh short seller.

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Oh, got it. Okay, no, Andrew um Schultz. Oh yeah. I think he's one. I don't know, maybe. I doubt it. But um, yeah, like very, very like I mean it's in some ways I feel like related to incel culture too.

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Is Joe Rogan an incel? No, but I think incels really like him. Okay. Yeah. Would like the Come Town podcast have been um Nanosphere?

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No.

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Because they're kind of left. They just Yeah. So who got cancelled on that?

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They're a little bit anti-woke, but they're left.

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But they're like like unabashedly anti-woke.

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Yeah.

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Like, are they actually anti-woke or is it kind of a bit that's what's hard to tell. Yeah. Yeah. But we just saw one of them in this movie.

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Yeah, Savros Haleikis was in um this movie Begonia, which maybe we should talk about it a little bit.

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Stunning turn.

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A stunning segue.

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I'm liking it more and more by the second.

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The movie?

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It's like infested my brain.

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Oh, I'm like thinking about it less and less.

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Oh. Did I like just want to say that or do I actually feel that way?

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Well, maybe I do.

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I feel like I well, I don't how much do we want to spoil this one? I feel like I kind of don't like it.

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I know, not a lot of people have seen it.

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Should we just like skip begonia?

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We could. I mean, what we were left feeling, I'd be so curious what other people think, but we were left feeling kind of like in definitely really interesting questions raised, and like the acting was great. Emma Stone and Jesse Plemens, um, the third lead. I don't know that actor, but he was great. Uh thickest head of hair I've ever seen on a person. Well, was it Donnie? Yeah, he was great.

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And he's like dressed in a suit for most of the movie, which is great. Yeah, very pulp fiction.

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Yeah. Um, but yeah, it's good. It's it's wild. The premise, I I think this is kind of in the trailer, but the premise is Emma Stone is like this female tech CEO, and she's kidnapped by these two men who believe she's an alien who's like ruined the Was it tech or was it pharmaceuticals?

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I don't it's almost like pretty vague.

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Oh, yeah, it's kind of vague.

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Maybe it was like it's it felt like it was just like everything. Some huge like conglomerate. Yeah.

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Like a monitor.

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It almost doesn't matter. It's like capitalism. Yeah, but like woke capitalism. I'm doing air quotes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And maybe capitalism doesn't work.

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Right.

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Like maybe the human race doesn't work.

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Some of the questions they're raising.

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I thought it was a pretty pessimistic movie.

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Yeah, it's definitely a donor. It's I mean, you can't possibly see the end of it and be feel positive.

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No, because his movies I wouldn't say they're no fun. But what I was saying when we walked out of the theater, I was like, I feel like he's having fun at our expense.

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Yeah.

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Because the movies have this sense of like playfulness, like really kind of a lot. Like they're why they're not very serious.

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Yeah, they're like the themes are serious, the themes are very serious.

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And Ariaster produced it, but I almost feel like by comparison, his movies like are more fun. But Poor Things is like the most fun.

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Yeah.

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Lobster made me feel like shit. You haven't seen that. No. I walked out of that feeling pretty bad and being like, maybe that was a masterpiece. I don't know. I like have a headache. Yeah.

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I saw the favorite and I really didn't get it. I'm like every other of his movies, I like love.

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Yeah. And the and then was amazing. This one's like I like it.

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Yeah. I think it's wise to go see it.

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If you like weird movies at all.

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Yeah. And it really talks about a lot of it covers a lot of interesting stuff about like being obsessively online and all the different movements you can come across and possibly stumble into like obsession with. Uh-huh. And, you know, kind of like, you know, the 0.01% and yeah, like a lot going on.

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It's yeah, but it's also a pretty contained script. Like they're in one location for a good amount of time.

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I kept thinking to myself, how long did it take them to shoot this?

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Really fast.

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It must have.

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Well, there's some pretty elaborate set pieces, but I mean, yeah. Yeah, definitely compared to poor things, I feel like it was um probably cheaper, quicker, cheaper.

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Yeah. But great. I mean, uh not great.

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It might be great.

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Yeah, it might be great. I it's funny, can a movie be like great and you also don't like it? Yeah. Yeah, because you don't usually know the night of. And I kept thinking, I'm like, I know I'm not supposed to like being in this world.

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No, I almost like I feel like you're indicted if you like it.

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Right.

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Which is kind of how I feel when I watch um like Michael Haneke's funny games.

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Yes.

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Have you seen that?

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Well, I've seen Cachet, and I wrote a paper on it in Cash. I love Cachet. Yeah.

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Um I guess like some feel that movie's really pretentious. I know the premise. I feel like it's it's well, there's this moment, basically, it's a family being like hunted by these two killers who like break into their house.

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Yeah.

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And that's the movie. But there's a moment, and maybe this was like I was all in my head about this, but it felt intentional, where the killers are like off screen for like 10 minutes, and it's this like long shot of the family just like struggling, like trying to get like out of like whatever, like they're like tied up. Oh my god. And it's like so boring. And then the killers come back on screen, and it's impossible not to be like, oh fuck yeah, like some action. Oh wow. So it's and then I've had that thought, and then I like felt like shit for having thought it. And I was like, I bet he wanted me to like advice, yeah. I was like, I bet he wanted me to feel exactly that.

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Because there's entertainment, there's action, there's drama.

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You're kind of like at that point begging for them to come back.

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Whoa. Well, that is so interesting. Yeah, I respect it.

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So that movie, but I I think I liked begonia more than funny games. And I like Michael Hanneke, and I like Yorgos, so yeah. It's like difficult directors doing difficult things.

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Really like difficult subjects, but I do think it's worth seeing. It's probably gonna be like a repeat watch, but I'll watch it a few more times. Interesting, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, so like that's one thing we've been consuming. Also, definitely the tame Impala album, the new one, which pitchfork.

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What do they give it a four point like four six or seven or not?

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You would know better than me.

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It's below a five, it's a four, it's in the fours. Wow, which is below like most scores they give.

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Really seems crazy to me. Cause I am bumping that thing.

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We've probably listened to it about 20 times in the last two weeks.

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Yeah, it's so fun. It's like it's like fun, kind of party. It almost has a little bit of like Halloween vibes.

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Well, that yeah, one like one or two of the songs basically are like thriller by Michael Jackson, yeah.

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Which is not a bad thing, and almost there's a little bit of like housey game going on, which isn't even normally my thing, but like the Kevin Parker version of that I like.

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It's kind of like Jamie XX meets Michael Jackson.

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It's great.

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In a real meets like Tam and Paula. Yeah. I mean, I'm obsessed with it.

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I've always really, really liked Tame and Paula. There was a time where like I thought maybe that was my favorite musical artist. But yeah, people are it's like people almost I was saying it's like almost his life of a showgirl. Like people aren't liking it, and I'm like, it's a more fun album, it seems, than other ones he've he's done, and maybe people are reacting to it.

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Could be my second favorite album of his. Sorry, Lonerism. I love Lonerism.

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I think, yeah. I think Currents is number one for me, and this one.

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And I'm maybe I'm a little bit being contrarian, but but not too much.

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No.

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I feel like it's an underdog album.

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It's like every song comes on and you're like, you can't stop moving.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's a sign to me of a great album. I felt that about Life of a Showgirl. Like I like when I was like moving my movement.

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I haven't listened to that nearly as much. Yeah. And neither have you. But that's probably because I've a show girl. Oh, you haven't listened to it nonstop?

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I mean, I listen to it like over and over on the plane.

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Oh, that's true. Oh, yeah, you were playing.

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And I listened to it in my car.

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Okay. I maybe I need to listen to it more.

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Yeah.

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So newsflash. I think Life of a Showgirl is like number 53 on my year-end list, which if I hit publish it today, it wouldn't make the list. It's top 50. Right. Good albid album. I always have like 50 to like 100. I'm like, man, I feel bad for those. Or 51 to 100. Yeah. It's like I love all these.

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You could make that a later post. Like halfway through the year.

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No one wants that. People are like 50, that's too much.

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Okay.

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Well, I don't even know if that's true. Listeners, write in.

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You want my like honorable mention?

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Yeah, that's actually really fun.

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Yeah. Thanks, Kelly.

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Or even like 51 through like 75.

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Yeah.

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Those are like all honorable mentions. Basically should be on the list, but yeah. Trying to like edit here.

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Difference between a couple seconds.

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Yeah. There's just two bad seconds on the album. Yeah. It's just like showgirl bang.

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What did that? I heard someone say this as talking about seconds on an album. Someone was saying once, maybe I've said this on the pod, that a good movie is the ingredients of a or like the bare threshold of a good movie.

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The bare threshold.

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Yeah. Of a good movie is three great scenes and no bad ones.

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Who told who said that? Doug Blush? Shout out Doug Blush.

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I don't know. We should look up that quote because somebody said it. Three great scenes and no bad ones.

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I like that.

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I know, I like that too.

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Because then you're thinking about those three scenes and you never like are like, oh, I want to go like turn my watch off. Or I never want to like go.

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I always say that too, like with my therapists or even in my sessions with my clients, like often it's just like we really settle in and do a lot of talking and understanding of the issue, and then there's like one moment where what's needed comes to the surface. Yes. And it's like you need the whole time to get to that.

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But if you tell your client like one salient thing per session, it's worth it. You're a great therapist.

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It's worth every penny.

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I know that because I've had therapy.

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Yeah, totally.

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And I would glean like maybe like one thing from every session that I'd be like thinking about all week. Sometimes I feel like that with this podcast, just listening to you and John talk.

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Yeah.

Funny Games, Favoritism, And Pessimism;

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Like I'll like have some epiphany and then all week I'm like, oh yeah, like humor. It's like humor's bad. No. No, I'm just kidding. It's like it's like I've been really into breathing lately.

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Nice.

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And it's funny because John's comment, shout out John Butts, when he was like, if you are about to say something funny, maybe don't say it.

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Yeah, wait till like the third thing.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

And then wait till the second thing, and then wait till the third thing. And like in my mind, I feel like I'm very like first thought, best thought.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

But it's not how a comedy room works.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

What?

SPEAKER_03 22:20

It's not how a comedy room works. They always say, even if it's funny, they're like, can we beat this?

SPEAKER_02 22:25

Yeah. You know. Well, say the first thought.

SPEAKER_03 22:27

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

But then keep going. Keep going. I've been doing a lot with my texting.

unknown 22:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

I'll be about to text something and then I'll be like, let's workshop this. I'll think of like a second thing and then a third thing.

SPEAKER_03 22:38

Josh is a very funny texter.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

I got a bunch of haha's today on some group thread I was on.

SPEAKER_03 22:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

But I was texting.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

Those are laughs in the world.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

In the texting world. In the texting world, yeah. If you've ever texted before, just like forget about it.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

Yeah. Well, okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:57

So Tampa, long story long, quote Kelly Kilgallen. It's number 17 on my URL list right now. I forget. Which is higher than like.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

It's so funny hosting this with you. Wow instead of John because your brain is so different than his.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

I'm like manic and kind of ADD.

SPEAKER_03 23:14

But I love it. Like you have so many different things that you go to, but it's funny. It's different because I'm used to this role with John's a better therapist. No, you're you're not a therapist. Oh. No, I think you're great. It's a different flavor when you're on.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

You're different with me.

SPEAKER_03 23:29

Yeah. Oh, totally.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:31

Yeah, you're my husband.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

You're initially more annoyed and then you get real loose.

SPEAKER_03 23:35

I'm not annoyed.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

I'm not annoyed. I think I'm less like less, you know, because it's like we're together all.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

You're less in podcast mode.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

Yeah. I'm more.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

You're being a little more like how you just are.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

But I'm like that with John too. It's just like, you're my husband.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

And you're also kind of kind of always in podcast mode. Like I'll wake up in the morning and I'll be like, okay, welcome to Wise Mind Happy Hour. I'm Kelly. And then John will like pop up from under our bed and he'll be like, I'm John. Because he lives under our bed. He's asleep right now, but he's just really tired.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

Oh my god, he's such a goof. It is funny. John's such a goof, too. He's such a goof.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

He was being, I loved like those little things he would do when we were with his kids in the park, and like he said, when his kids get upset, sometimes he'll he'll do like a little wacky thing. Some wacky thing to like defuse the moment. Yeah. What was the thing he did?

SPEAKER_03 24:30

He was like, how something like that was great. We'll have to have him do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

And then the other thing was like Power Ranger Ninja.

unknown 24:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:40

He was making us crack. Yeah. But yes, I love doing. I do love doing the pod with you. But I think I'm less filtered. Like you're literally my husband. Sometimes it feels like you're my right arm growing out of my own body. It's disgusting. It's Kafka-esque.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

So speaking of Kafka, um, we've been watching the new It show.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

What is it? Escape from or Welcome to Dairy.

SPEAKER_03 25:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

And you were like, oh, it must be some kind of Dairy Girls.

SPEAKER_03 25:07

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

I was like, actually, I think it's some kind of clowns.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

I think it has nothing to do with that.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

No, it's it's an It. It's the It franchise.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

Yeah, it only has two episodes out. I'm curious if anyone out there is watching it because it's pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 25:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

And I like a lot of crazy horror.

SPEAKER_03 25:25

It's like sick.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

It's like on another level. I mean, like, I'm always comparing everything to Ari Aster.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

I don't know that it's crazier than his stuff, but it's less subtle.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

There's no subtlety in this show at all.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

I mean, it hits you over the head. But it's weird. Very weird. Like if you've seen the it movies, it's following that kind of vibe. But this is almost like more wacky. Yeah. Yeah. It's probably more wacky.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

And less like, I feel like the it movies have more of a maybe like dark tone. This is a little more like twisted.

SPEAKER_03 26:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

Like it almost has like an American horror story vibe. Yeah. But I think it's better. Or I like it more.

SPEAKER_03 26:12

I remember the it movies kind of having that.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

I don't know. It's been a while. Yeah. I liked the first one. Yeah. I never saw the second of the new one.

SPEAKER_03 26:20

Actually, I should say I only saw the first one. Little coming of age tale. Yeah. Mixed with horror.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

Wholesome little kids.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

Yeah, totally. Um, but yeah, I mean, I'm liking it. I'm compelled by it.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

I'm very I I was like a little bit annoyed that there wasn't an episode for us to watch after we finish recording this.

SPEAKER_03 26:40

Oh, yeah, like maybe maybe it comes out on Sundays or something.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

Um, and we don't have a new chair company. Oh, that I guess we've been watching too.

Tame Impala Versus The Critics;

SPEAKER_03 26:47

Oh my god, the chair company.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

The chair company. The new Tim Robinson show. I think we should leave.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

Uh as as is everything Tim Robinson touches, it's gold.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Do you like it more or less than English Teacher?

SPEAKER_03 27:02

Oh, great question, because English Teacher is great.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

We've been watching that. I said we weren't gonna talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

They have very different speeds in terms of comedy.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

I love Tim Robinson.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

I'm definitely looking forward to the next.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

Yeah, but I really like English Teacher. It is very funny.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

It's like I feel like sometimes with the chair company, I'm I like can't tell if it's working or not. Oh is that or do you feel like it's always working?

SPEAKER_03 27:29

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

Like, whereas with his movie friendship, I was like, wow, I'm surprised. Like, I feel like that worked.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Like it feels like a self-contained unit. Either you're on board or you're not.

SPEAKER_03 27:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

Well, I think you ever feel like it's like stretched a little thin. I don't know. It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

It's a good question. I mean, I think that's his whole thing. Well, yeah. His whole thing is to like take something way beyond what it actually is. Comedically and literally. Should we explain the show at all? The show is this guy. If uh Tim Robinson is a comedian, he did the show, the series on Netflix, I think you should leave. Which is Kelly's celebrity crush. No, no, I did see him in it when back in the day when he was at Second City, I saw him in a Second City show. And I did say to myself, like, this guy's like attractive in a really interesting way. Um I think it's he's really magnetic. Like he he's so unbelievably himself, and he also seems to like not care if anyone is like watching. Yeah. You know, like he seems like the kind of guy who's like, I'm just gonna do the comedy I like, and if people like it, fine, whatever. You know, like maybe that's not true, but like it really feels like that, and there's something really fun about that because it's very different than other comedians.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Yeah, it's he's my favorite.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

Yeah, he's got a little bit of a Tim and Eric vibe, a little bit in that they were doing their own stuff.

SPEAKER_02 29:03

But I feel like he rely, and I'm such a big Tim and Eric fan, so I'm like not wanting to drag them. Yeah, and I feel like they've probably influenced him, so that's its own thing. They're a bowl now, yeah, like 50 or something. I don't know. Uh but like I feel like Tim Robinson doesn't rely on gross out as much.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

Like Tim and Eric, I feel like I'm like like kind of cringing. Well, I guess you're cringing a lot with Tim Robinson, but like I don't think his show's as scary. But it can be.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

Yeah. It's like it's hard to explain. It's like a little more wholesale. Although basically, yeah, it's almost like he likes to take like a Midwest family and like you know, set up the story there. Or like this guy who just like Like works at a mall company. That's it. He's this guy who's like opening a new mall. He goes to give a speech about the mall and he kills the speech. He's been so nervous about the speech. He kills the speech. He goes to sit down at a chair after the speech on the stage and it busts apart and he likes to slams his head on the ground and is really embarrassed. So the rest of the show, he's trying to find the chair company to get like an apology from the chair company. Yeah. And just like all these insane things ensue. And it's funny.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

And when the chair breaks and he falls in it, it cuts to his POV and he like opens his eyes after falling on the ground. He's like looking up someone, one of his coworkers script.

SPEAKER_03 30:39

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

And then she's like follow filing like a sexual harassment complaint.

SPEAKER_03 30:43

Right, right. I mean, it's like all these crazy things happen then. But it is funny. And if you like him, I mean, I'm sure there's a ton of people who don't like his comedy, but I love it.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Yeah. I'm going to do that too.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

Yeah, whenever sauce he has, like, it's hits on all cylinders for me.

SPEAKER_02 31:01

Better than ketchup.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

Yeah. But English teacher is a little more of like a classic just funny jokes, galore.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

I almost feel like we laugh more consistently at that.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

Yeah. Yeah, that's probably true.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

But it makes you think a little less. We've got a lot of we've got a good rotation on right now.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Shows we're looking forward to the next episode, which is a nice feeling. Yeah. In the cozy months of fall.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Yeah, we're watching a lot more stuff because we're home a lot more.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Or the last two weekends we've been home. I guess. Yeah. And then I'm about I'm and I'm leaving.

SPEAKER_03 31:35

Yeah, Josh is leaving. I'm leaving Kelly. No.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

For a week. I'm going to film. So I think I came up with a name for my short talk.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

What is it?

SPEAKER_02 31:44

Costco Grandpa.

SPEAKER_03 31:46

Costco Grandpa. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

That's and that's what it's about. Yeah. I've I've talked about this on the pod at least two or three times now. So maybe I won't talk about it now. I'm just making a short talk about my grandpa's obsession with Costco.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

Um, and I'm going next week to Michigan to film because I filmed them a bunch during COVID, and he did talk a good amount about a Costco then. And then I was kind of like, no one's gonna want to watch a doc about my grandparents. I'm gonna make one about pet psychics, but then that got overwhelming. So, and and we've been going to all these film festivals, and I'm like, you know, people really seem to love films about older people.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

Yeah. So I don't think it's just like films about old people. I think it's like the concept of aging. The concept of aging. Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_02 32:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

Yeah. Yeah. And like that ex human experience.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Well, yeah, I think people, you know, in their 90s have a lot of wisdom.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

Of course. Totally. Yeah. And even like just witnessing someone's like experience of their own aging is so interesting. Totally. Through the lens of Costco. Through the lens of Costco. Through the lens of their like consumer behavior is so interesting. I know. So much, like, especially in 2025. So much of like our world is like experienced through the prism of consumption. Like I'm realizing it so much. Like everything is about buying shit.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Yeah, I guess the movie we just saw was about that. Totally. The chair company.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

The chair company. Yeah, it's like wild.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Tame and Paula. It's not I can't figure out a way to tie that in. Yeah. To our theme.

SPEAKER_03 33:28

But it's like if you're if you're you know on any of these social media platforms, it's like everyone's kind of sellings. Yeah. I mean, all these all this trend of getting everyone to tell you their skincare routine, it's like such a clever way to get like all these celebrities to just sell products. I know that's so true. Or regular people to sell products.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

We had a skincare person who wanted to come on the pod.

SPEAKER_03 33:47

Right, which was so interesting. Yeah. We didn't end up going with that at the moment because it didn't feel so aligned.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

But things might change.

SPEAKER_03 33:55

But things may change, yeah. It was at least an interesting keep reaching out request. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

And we're happy for you to promote yourself.

SPEAKER_03 34:03

Totally.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

Let's just sit down and have an interesting conversation.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Because I'm promoting myself.

SPEAKER_03 34:09

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:12

Totally. Yeah. Um, but that's so great. I I I'm so excited for you to film that.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Oh, me too. And but I'll miss you.

SPEAKER_03 34:20

Such a great time, and I'll miss you too. I'll miss you so much.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

This might be boring for the pod, though.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

Uh just being like, I miss you. I think it's better when we have conflict. Yeah. That's why I almost think you like thought I was rolling that is because you like when we have conflict on the pod. Totally.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

And you've gotten on to this by now.

SPEAKER_03 34:38

Yeah.

Comedy Run: Chair Company And English Teacher;

SPEAKER_02 34:39

But depending on your mood and like what else has happened that day, I think you'll think it's like more measured than it is.

SPEAKER_03 34:47

What's more measured?

SPEAKER_02 34:48

Like my crotchetiness. Oh. I think I just like think it's funny.

SPEAKER_03 34:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:54

It's entertaining. Drama. You want drama.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

Drama.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

Drama. We're we're a not we're not a high conflict couple. We're um not a low conflict couple. Right.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

So we just conflict couple, but we're definitely not a low conflict couple.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

We branded our conflict.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

But I do think we talked about this earlier today when we were like gossiping about someone else. We did we do think like couples, and you know, a lot of couples therapists say this. Like the most terrified they are are couples who don't fight. Terrified of are couples who don't fight because you're not. I think Orna Goralnik says this. Like, you're are you not revealing yourself to the other person? Right. Because their their otherness is going to bump into yours. It should. And you should address that.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

And it is consistently at war.

SPEAKER_03 35:45

What'd you say?

SPEAKER_02 35:46

Our otherness is consistently at war.

SPEAKER_03 35:49

Our otherness, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

But we've grown so much from it both.

SPEAKER_03 35:52

Right. Well, because we're two different people.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Well, yeah, who isn't, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:56

Right. So it's like, unless you're in a thruple.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Right.

SPEAKER_03 36:00

Which we also are in with John.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

Three Jishis. I'm in a thruple with myself and also myself.

SPEAKER_03 36:08

But it is true, like, I think you have to like step through a lot of conflict as two separate people. And it's a constant negotiating, renegotiating your togetherness and your separateness.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

But we've been in the game long enough, Kelly, that I gotta say we can get through anything.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

Totally. I think so too. We've been through hell and five minutes into marriage. We're saying this, but it's true. I really believe that.

SPEAKER_02 36:35

Well, we've really seen each other.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

We've spent a lot of time together.

SPEAKER_03 36:40

Yeah, it's true. Josh and I both work from home, live together like a lot of hours.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

Launched a small business together.

SPEAKER_03 36:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

Both like say everything we're thinking all the time. Right. Right. You know. It was a quick to know, quick to know. Yeah. And I knew. So good.

unknown 37:02

Me too.

SPEAKER_02 37:03

Me too. Nothing better.

SPEAKER_03 37:05

Yeah. This has turned into like a sappy. Is this sappy? No, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

I'm gonna cut all this. Yeah. I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

I'm cutting everything.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

I'm cutting all the times you've tried.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

No. Well, what else? What else in terms of pop culture? If this is our pop culture app. We mentioned Tame and Paula, we mentioned the movie English Teacher Chair Company. Maybe that's it. Maybe we move into our how eyes is it. To how wise is it to play games. Or like kind of suggest playing a game at a party. I'm curious your thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 37:47

I love a game and I know you don't. Here's my feeling. They can be fun.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

In the way that you've turned me off catch up, which I used to consistently eat my french fries with, and now I never do. Yeah. Because I'm whooped. I sometimes now, when a game is suggested at a party, especially when I'm with people that I don't get to see very often.

SPEAKER_03 38:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

And maybe if it's like not the most social game, or if I have to like learn a bunch of new rules, I'll be a little like, oh man. Pre kick. Gotta do this.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

When I kind of just want to like drink and chat.

SPEAKER_03 38:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:38

That's my thought.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

I just want to give Griffin a back rub and sing songs to Brian.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

It's like sometimes it works, but most of the time I'm like, just just trust that we could maybe just kind of socialize. That we can maybe kind of just talk. Yeah. Alcohol talking. Doesn't even have to be alcohol, but like party vibes. Just talk. That can be enough. Music.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

Totally. I think my issue is I just like actually love games. Yeah. Whereas, so you don't have that conflict. No. Like I wouldn't want. Like maybe let's say we're hanging out for like five hours and you play a game for like one hour.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

Or you play a game like at like I here's a games I love. Uh Baldurdash is so fun. Because we'll be laughing our asses off.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Yeah, Baldurdash is fun. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

Shout out Baldurdash.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

No, yeah, you're right. Like I can get talked into a game and then have a blast.

SPEAKER_02 39:41

Because that game is, if if you haven't played it, it's like you have all these obscure. I I like feel like I've explained everything on this pod, and I'm always repeating myself. It's like all these obscure like facts and definitions. Like it'll be like the word is like dingle frat, and then you'll have a card and it's like it is like a foreign type of currency, is the definition. So one person knows the real thing.

SPEAKER_03 40:06

Yeah, and everybody else has to be a good one.

SPEAKER_02 40:07

And everybody else basically makes something up. Yeah. And then and then the person who knows the real one will read the real definition along with all the fake definitions, and everyone votes on what they think is the real one. And you get points if someone guesses your fake one, and you get points for guessing the real one.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Right.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

So, and like a lot of the time, I feel like you play with a big group, there's like and it's a lot of the time the actual answers are pretty wacky, so it's a fine line between like trying and not trying. Sometimes like people write stuff that just could like never be the thing. Yeah. But then sometimes it could be. Yeah. But I think it there tends to be a lot of laughter.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

Yeah, it's like you're you're kind of trying to like write something convincing or write something funny. And sometimes both. And which means part of your intention can be to just like enjoy each other and make each other laugh at the party, which is like what normal socializing is. Yeah. Like I don't like the games that kind of remove all the normal socializing elements. Like I I I Catan. Yeah, definitely settlers have Catan.

SPEAKER_02 41:14

My favorite game. Well, I don't know if it's my favorite game. I love Catan. I love Catan and Ballardash.

SPEAKER_03 41:20

Yeah. But like, even a game, you know, like I'm gonna get so much shit for this, but Cards Against Humanity, I absolutely hate that game. It's like it removes all natural like humor and socializing. It's like feeding you jokes.

SPEAKER_02 41:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

I think it's so dumb.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

Well, that game has less creativity.

SPEAKER_03 41:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Because what? You're just like voting on like what's the funniest thing.

SPEAKER_03 41:44

Yeah, you're just like reading a card with a joke on it. It's like, I don't know. I mean, maybe what's funnier? Maybe it's like watching a shit. You could argue watching a comedy is the same thing. I I guess I could hear that argument, but I don't know. I just every time someone pulls it out, I'm like, everyone's like, this is the best game. And I'm like, I don't agree. I disagree.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

If you don't like cards against humanity, you have no personality.

SPEAKER_03 42:08

I heard that like apples to apples is like the non-dirty version of it.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

And it's like more fun.

SPEAKER_03 42:13

And like some people are like, you have said to me, you might like that one more. Because it's not like you could have your own jokes aside from it. It's not trying to be like a joke machine.

SPEAKER_02 42:24

We just played uh that trivia game with your mom and uh Peter the other night, Peter, her partner Peter.

SPEAKER_03 42:30

Yeah, yeah, trivia's fun. What'd you think about that? I thought that was fun.

Aging, Costco, And A Short Doc;

SPEAKER_02 42:34

How many bones are in the human body?

SPEAKER_03 42:38

I forget.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

Is it 231? Write in if you know.

SPEAKER_03 42:42

Yeah, we I forget.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

You can Google it.

SPEAKER_03 42:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

Just text us the answer.

SPEAKER_03 42:47

Yeah. But yeah, that was a fun game. Yeah, so sometimes they're fun. I think like if there's not a lot of rules, if like you could basically like start playing within five seconds.

SPEAKER_02 42:56

That's the rule explaining really kills me. Is when I I don't even know if I'm such an ADD person, but yeah, it's like I'm never like I become ADD when rules are explained. Right.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

You're like, I you're like, I have a glass of wine in my hand. Why are you telling me a list of rules?

SPEAKER_02 43:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

I'm drunk. I'm trying to kill my memory, not it doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

Yeah. Ugh. That's tough. So should we play some katan tonight? Yeah, let's do it. We're gonna wrap up the pod recording. I could get into it.

SPEAKER_03 43:29

Like I remember around the pandemic, I was like, ugh, this would be a time for me to get into games. Because nothing was happening. And my mom and I thought about learning bridge. We were like kind of trying to learn bridge.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

Yeah, Bridgerton.

SPEAKER_03 43:39

But yeah, then we ended up just watching Bridgerton. Did you actually? I mean, I did watch it, but not together. We didn't. Very saucy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:48

It's crazy. Yeah. I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_03 43:51

It's cute. It's very like Shonda Rimes, like kind of silly. What's that? Shonda Rhimes, she she wrote Grayson, or she created Gray's Anatomy. Scandal.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

Shout out Sammy Cannell. My friend Sammy Cannell just directed an episode of Grays Anatomy. Wow. Amazing.

SPEAKER_03 44:09

I mean, that's that's how they've made it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's like 20 years. Wow. Stars. Stars. Superstars. Yeah. Well, shout out. That's great. But yeah, so we I mean, I don't think it's wise.

unknown 44:27

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 44:28

I think you can have a game in your back pocket. Literally. Yeah, literally.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

Like Uno maybe would fit.

SPEAKER_03 44:36

Right, right. A card game. I think you can have a game in your back pocket if like for some reason the group isn't like vibing. Man, that's sad though. Well, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

I don't want to say I've never thought of it as sad.

SPEAKER_03 44:49

I think you can pull it out, or if things kind of a lol, or if like you like you said, it's a weekend together at a cabin and you got a lot of hours, you could throw a couple games in there. Even I am like fine with that. Yeah. But you know, a dinner party, like a chic dinner party, like please don't do that. But I'm being like too prescriptive. If you love games, of course, like go off.

SPEAKER_02 45:13

If we're gonna make it this long together, there's gonna be a couple game, a couple games every now and then.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

Totally, absolutely. No, I I you know I'm like being judgmental, and then like someone convincing could like completely turn me around on this one.

SPEAKER_02 45:26

It's good to have a take, but like at least like play a little parchesy. Yeah, maybe some mousetrap.

SPEAKER_03 45:31

Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

Something for the kids.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

Okay. Well, okay, bye. Thank you for joining us.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

This is so fun. This is fun. It's wise to play games.

SPEAKER_03 45:43

Wise, well, you always do that. You like turn it around, you reverse it. I don't think it's wise to play.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

Oh no, I was saying my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 45:51

Oh, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:52

I don't agree with you. But yeah, no, I think, but you know what's not wise? It's like, hey, come over and then we're just gonna play games all night.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:00

Unless it's like katana, and then we're doing that. But it's like then the next day, let's like get brunch talk nonstop. Get the best of both worlds. But my name's Josh. You can contact me at the website Josh Bearfilms.com, bear like the aspirin. And I'm gonna plug. I don't know, I don't know. Music's slowing down. I'm gonna plug my ear on. No, I'm gonna plug um Kia. That album's pretty cool. K-E-I-Y. Sounds like I'm making this up. K-E-I-Y-A-A. And I can't think of the name of the album, but it's really cool.

SPEAKER_03 46:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:37

Very experimental R B. I've been in that place lately.

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SPEAKER_03 46:41

Okay, amazing. My name is Kelly, and you can reach me if you want to work with me, if you wanna um write in questions for the pod, topics for the pod, anything like that. You can reach me at kkpsychotherapy.com. And if I am your therapist one day, I will not judge you if you like games or if you bring them to parties. But we will talk about how wise it is in your context. Love it. Love it. Okay, thank you so much, everyone. Have a great rest of your week. We'll see you next week. Ta ta. Bye. The WiseMind Happy Hour podcast is for entertainment purposes only, not to be treated as medical advice. If you are struggling with your mental health, please seek medical attention or counseling.