how do you know when you're READY (for big life transitions?)

Getting married, having a baby, moving to another city (or country)...sometimes it can be hard (or close to impossible) to know when the timing is "right" to take the plunge into uncertainty. But can we still find meaning (and excitement) in the unknown?

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Transcript

Welcome Back And Health Updates

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Welcome to the Wisemind Happy Hour. I'm Kelly.

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And I'm John. That's it.

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And then thank you so much for watching.

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Thank you so much for coming.

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Yeah, thank you for listening to this micro vocal fry moment. Vocal fry.

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I didn't know what that was.

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As we've learned that some people think we have too much vocal fry, some of our commenters. But I don't even know what to do. We're gonna live with those comments.

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I like the comments. You know, I like to know what people are saying about us.

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Yeah, I mean, sure.

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It's been a while.

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It's been a while, yeah.

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You all released an episode.

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We released two episodes.

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Really? Yeah, Josh and I did one of them, me and my friends. I didn't hear the one with you and your friends. Wait, what was the adulting?

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The adulting was me and Josh.

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Okay.

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And then we did how to take care, how to as a therapist deal with your clients and being a therapist when you're kind of going through it yourself and your personality.

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I gotta listen to that one.

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Yeah. Yeah, we we put that one out, right? Yeah.

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Two ups. Two ups. I only did the adulting one. Well, that's how long it's been.

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Yeah, two, I mean three weeks, right?

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Yeah, because we had Tommy.

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Yeah, because we had Tommy. Yeah, yeah. Three weeks since we had just like a regular regular one.

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Right before your birthday. Yeah. It was right before St. Patty's Day.

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I was right before the appendicitis. I saw you.

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Right before your appendicitis.

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Chowing down on some cakes.

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Is this a huge reveal?

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No, we did mention it in the adulting episode. Yeah. I was like, I of course affirmed, like, or like I insisted I'm not gonna talk about this and then completely talked about it, which is so me. But you feel better. But yeah, I feel much better now. Really, it's just like kind of itchy scars, like a tiny bit of soreness. You know, that's really it. So luckily. So get them, they're going fast.

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Yeah, not that bad. Get an idea. We have to look up though.

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The first thing I thought of when I heard about the appendicitis was because whenever I hear about it, I always think of Harry Houdini. We have to look up if that's a real thing.

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Uh yeah.

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My understanding was that Harry Houdini said he could take a punch from any person.

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I feel like I've heard that.

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And somebody like surprised him backstage at one of his acts and punched him. And then he ended up developing appendicitis or something.

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Well, okay. It's basically it. Harry Houdini died on October 31st.

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Of course he did. Spooky.

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At age 52 from peritonitis caused by a ruptured appendix.

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Okay.

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So he didn't have appendicitis because I think I guess he didn't have an infection of the appendix.

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It just burst.

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What is peritonitis? The rupture was likely caused by unexpected punches to his abdomen from a student. Unexpected Oh, which worsened a pre-existing appendicitis. Oh, you're right. He developed okay, never mind. He developed severe infection and passed away in a Detroit hospital. There we go. Following surgery. Wow. Rest in peace, Harry Houdini.

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I can't not think of him when I hear appendicitis. Wow. But you weren't asking people to punch you.

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Never. No, I was like basically like asking people to do everything under the sun for me so I didn't have to move. So I'm on the other end of the spectrum from Harry.

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Horrible experience.

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Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like it was just like jarring, but it's really okay.

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Health stuff. A lot of people got health stuff.

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Yeah, I I definitely like those health situations, situations with my body really like rattle me. Actually, it's funny. Like, I have this recurring back pain and it flares up every so often. It's like when it flares up for me, I sometimes become like really like almost like hopeless about life. Like there's this weird, like it makes me feel so like despondent in a way that's like you can't focus on anything else. Yeah, it's like really, really bothersome, and it really like limits my motion and my like presence in a room, and it's so depressing.

Houdini And The Appendix Myth

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It is well, chronic pain is awful. It's awful, it's a huge issue.

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I mean, this is honestly a big topic on the pit, really. Pain and like shoehorn it in.

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We barely got what look at the timer. We're like two minutes in, and you're already talking about the pit.

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My mind is glued to the pit, and we only have one more episode left.

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I mean, the thought is unbearable, but now he won Noah Wiley. This is a show for those listeners out there.

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On HBO, yeah.

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Which you probably have to be living under a rock. Even I know what the pit is. Yeah, totally. So Noah Wiley is doing another hospital show.

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Yes, another ED hospital show. ER. Yeah. He's incredible on it.

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He did ER.

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Yeah, he was on ER.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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He acted on ER. Wait, Noah Wiley is a star. He was like one of the stars. Noah Wiley's the actor.

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Noah Wiley. Yeah, Dr. Robbie. The actor's name is Noah Wiley.

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Is he the showrunner too?

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No, the showrunner is a former ER dog. Isn't that cool?

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Not ER the show dog.

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No, a real ER medicine physician. Yeah. Which is why it is so hyper-realistic.

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I just think it's so weird that he's on a in another one and it's so good.

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It's so I haven't seen it, but it you will like the rest of your life will be sucked away until you're done with it.

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It's so good.

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Okay.

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But you say that about everything you love.

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I know, but this is true.

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And it was heated rivalry before. Are we have we cooled that one down a little?

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I wish there was more of that to consume, but I can't really watch it a third time.

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So you're consumed by the pit right now.

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Oh, it's well, it's all one day. The whole season is one shift. So it's like hour by hour. Oh, okay. And you know, it's really intense. Each case is like a it's a trauma center. It's not just an ER, it's like a level one trauma center. So it's like people with like gunshot wounds and like all that crazy stuff come in. And they're just like running around and they show it's HBO, so they like show everything. They show everything.

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It's gory.

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We watched a baby like crowning. It was crazy.

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Ben there done that. Yeah, it's very, very gory. I my thought is always when you say this takes place in a day, uh, how long did it take to film it?

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So that's a great question.

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Because I'm always wondering how do you make sure his hair looks the same?

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They do a lot of things.

Medical TV Obsession With The Pit

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Not that your hair looks exactly the same all day, but well, that's probably especially if you're in like a busy ER, it probably does change a little. Or how do you make sure that you look a little bit more haggard? Well, they do it in the later seasons. That's the magic of show making.

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Yeah, but it doesn't even have to be like it's just a different day. So it could be a day two months from the other day. You know, like one's Christmas, one's fourth of July, one's in the same year. You don't have to look that different.

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Yeah.

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And it's funny.

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I'm sure, you know, I'm gonna write this down right next to Arrival, which I didn't watch.

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Oh, we re-watched it.

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I'll keep all of these recommendations. Yeah. Somebody was watching the pit on a plane, it's been out for a while, right? Yeah, yeah. The person was just watching episode after episode. Yeah. You I mean, you cannot terriorize away. You can't stop it.

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And you're like, you know, you're in that hospital with those patients. You're like, I gotta figure out what happens to them.

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It's amazing how many shows are based within the medical field.

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I know. Everyone wants to kind of like be in there. Yeah. I mean, even when we were at the hospital, we were kind of like, Do you watch the pit? And they were like, No. Or like, I think this is what it's like. Because we hadn't started it yet, but we were like thinking about it. And then one of the nurses was like, I don't watch it, I love the pit. And we're like, Yeah, that's true, you love it.

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That's right. Now that just made me think of I have to write down shrinking.

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Oh, yes. You definitely need to watch the link.

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You don't have to watch it, you just have to write it down. Does that count? Yeah, it counts for something.

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We honestly should like watch some episode, all of us. We should. And talk about it. We love shrinking, but shrinking is such a different flavor. It's a comedy, it's like a straight across the plate comedy. It's like scrubs, where the pit feels like a documentary. Sometimes in the pit, like I want there to be a little more romance. There really is very little. But come on, it's kind of fun. So different than like Grace Anatomy. It's kind of fun. It's like you want to know. People are dying.

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Can we love?

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Yeah. Can we have a little spice? Yeah. But I mean, I love it. I have no notes. It's so good. And they, you know what's something they address that is like a therapy topic? The idea of like, do you and how do you negotiate your personal life with this work? And like, there's very hard opinions on it because it's like if your mom's calling you in the middle, one of the characters her mom is constantly calling her in the middle of the shift, and it's like she's got people in various states of trauma bleeding out, and you've got it's like true emergencies everywhere. And some doctors are very like, push it out of these four walls. When you're here, you're here. Which I think might be necessary a little bit necessary, but actually impossible to be perfect at. And I think it's like unfair sometimes to be a manager and expect people to perfectly do that. And as therapists, it's sort of like, I think the more I deal with my stuff, the less it interrupts me. And I think some characters in the show are like just kind of bottle it a bit. That wouldn't be the obviously the approach I would take, but I'm also a therapist. I'm not a like ER doctor. Right. You kind of want to be unfeeling a bit when you're like operating on someone or whatever. But also, like, I do think sometimes it would really focus you to have someone like dying on the table in front of you. You know? Right. Like how focused I get if a client becomes really emotional all of a sudden.

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Yeah, well, how can you focus on anything else? Yeah. What do you think has more? Do you think there's more courtroom dramas or medical dramas?

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Oh, that's such a good question. I almost maybe courtroom. I mean, people are obsessed with like lobbying.

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What's that show I'm obsessed with? Your Honor. Your Honor? Your Honor.

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I just never watched a single frame, but you think it's so funny that it exists.

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I don't know why I laugh every time the name comes up.

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Well, you know what's funny about Your Honor? It stars Brian Cranston, whose daughter is in the pit.

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Oh.

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And she's our favorite character.

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I didn't know she was an actress.

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She's incredible.

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I don't know why she's like the one. I didn't know he had a daughter.

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I don't know anything about his personal life, actually. I mean, I she's like the one Nepo baby that can stay. I'm like, she's great. Is your last name Branston? I actually haven't looked at the credits.

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Taylor Dearden. Okay.

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So maybe she has a different last name. Yeah.

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She has publicly shared that she is neurodivergent, specifically identifying as having ADHD.

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Oh, the actresses. Yes. Okay, because the character is.

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The character can't publicly announce anything. They're a character.

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Yeah, they don't make public announcements. They're just working in the code.

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Mickey Mouse just made a public announcement that he wants to be on our pod.

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Mickey.

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Oh my god. So yeah, I mean that's what we've been doing a lot of the pit.

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The pit.

Work Life Boundaries Under Pressure

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Yeah. But tell us about your trip.

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Yeah. The well, spring break happened. So we have a tradition of meeting my sister-in-law and brother-in-law and their two kids who are the same age as my two kids. They have two daughters, and we have two sons. So it's very cute. Um, so we've done Arizona a few years. We did Mexico last year. This year we went down to Florida. I was thinking about this when I was down there. There's something about cousins. They're not in the same school, they don't know each other's friends. Yeah. That everything they talk about, they're all so interested in what each other's talking about. Yeah. And there's no real like competition about it. It's just, yeah. They're like excited to just be around each other and hear what the other person's saying. Totally. Whenever I saw my cousins growing up, it felt like picking up where you left off.

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Yeah.

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It never felt not fun.

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You're so right about the cousins thing. Like that should be like studied, you know, just how like euphoric it is to spend time with your cousins.

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And it even takes the pressure off the siblings.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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I I feel like my boys get along better when they're they have their cousins alone. Absolutely. That's not like rocket science, right? If there's other people around, they're not at each other so much.

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Yeah, it's like there's this intimacy, but like not too much that you're like fighting. It's really not.

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Yeah. And it's also cool that it's like we get to have a little bit more closeness of what it would be like to maybe have a daughter.

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And yeah, how is it different or the same?

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Just like the getting ready is different. The hair. The hair.

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Oh, the hair.

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Doing it. And even it's really cute because they'll do Sarah's hair, they'll put like a braid in her hair, you know, and just those little moments that um, which my boys could totally do that if they wanted. It just doesn't organically always happen.

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Yeah, totally.

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But it was so cute. We went out to dinner one night, and my youngest son, Shane, who you guys obviously know, he was like, Can I order for Phoebe? Uh and I was like, Yeah, of course. I was sitting right across from him. And so the waiter came over and he like ordered their dinner together. So it was really funny. We were joking, like, and for the lady, um, she'll have the cheeseburger as well.

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Was she cool with that?

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Oh, she was totally cool with it.

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Yeah, I love that.

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He was like, Phoebe, can I order for you?

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She's like, Yeah, sure. You know, like that's so cute.

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You're at such a great age, too, because it's you know, eight and ten, eleven. They're not, you know, teenagers yet, and just still want to be around their parents.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Are you mentally preparing for those like teenage years?

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Yeah. I mean, the attitude, my kids can give me attitude. I think I'm already ahead of the curve probably on that one, but um I I think I'm a little bit more concerned about the technology.

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It feels almost these days like technology really feels like exposing your kids to like drugs.

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Yeah.

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Like like people, I think are afraid, rightly so, of like losing their kids to it.

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You know, there's so much stuff that's that can be literally dangerous out there, right? So I think the you know, approaching teen years, preteen years, it's you know, exciting. I want them to be, I'm excited for like the independence. I the other day I picked them up at school. This was before we went on the trip. I we live like three blocks from their school, and one of them forgot something. Like I was like, here's a test. I was like, I'm gonna give you my keys. I was like, so you guys go walk home. I'm gonna go get the thing, and I'll be, you know, a couple blocks behind you, whatever.

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Right.

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So I walk and I was kind of taking my time. I was like, I want to give them enough time, the two of them to do it. And I'm like, okay, well, they got inside. Well, sure enough, if you've ever been to my home, there's the first door that gets you into the building, yeah, and then there's our front door, and it's like a petri dish. They're just stuck in there and they're like looking at the keys. So I buzz myself in and I'm like, what happened? And they're like, these keys don't work. And I'm like, what do you mean the keys don't work?

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I was like, how could they not work? They couldn't like twist it.

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They couldn't twist it. I as a kid, I could never twist it. Left or right, and then they did the deadbolt probably one way, but they didn't do the knob the other way. 100%. So then I like showed them, I was like, listen, you got pretty much here. That was fine. But then that was we got inside and I was like, Well, what would you have done? Let's say I gave you the keys and I wasn't gonna be home for 20 minutes. Yeah, what would you have done? So then we kind of like talked through like the options there, but it was like with the keys, they don't work.

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So it's like little kid hands, it's actually hard to like. Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Yeah, those have the like kind of fine motor skills, yeah. Definitely. So I try to give them every once in a while these little missions, and sometimes I even talk to them about uh what do we call it, survivor. Yeah. I'm like, let's say you start smelling smoke, mom and dad aren't home. What you know, we try to give them these little scenarios to see. So I'm trying to like so what did they say about the smoke? Uh just sit there, don't do anything. No, I mean you know get out of the house, have the tin can, right? If it's in danger, I mean, get out of the house first for sure. But if something doesn't seem right and we're not around, there's also the neighbors. You go to the neighbors. Oh neighbors, or we talk to them about survivor, you get lost at the airport, or you can't find us at the airport. What do you do? You know, so what do they do then? Find somebody who is at a desk in a uniform. Yes. Sarah's thing is I'm like writing this down. Well, Sarah's thing, and this is great advice too. She always says, find someone who looks like a mom who's with kids your age. She was like, I would trust probably a mom.

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Yeah.

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So if you can't find somebody with it, if you're panicking and there's no uniform around, look for somebody who's got kids that looks like they're traveling kind of like you know, like we are.

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Yeah.

Cousins And The Magic Of Trips

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And say, I'm lost. I can't find my mom, you know. Right. Right. It's not the dad. She never says find the dad.

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I mean, never never.

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You never find the dad.

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Never find a dad. Even if he's a nice guy, he won't know what's going on.

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Right. Yeah, yeah.

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I'll be confused. Yeah, but I like that find a uniformed person.

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Yeah, I don't know how we got on this, but the independence of it all.

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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, something Josh and I noticed. We went this weekend to Spockanopoly.

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Oh, yeah. The little pizza place. Um, that we love. No, it's not on Montrose. Why did I say that? What's it on? Sunnyside?

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Yeah, maybe it's like Ravenswood and Yeah, I think it's Sunnyside. Maybe Sunnyside. Okay. Josh was saying, he's like, Do you ever notice like when you're in a public place? There are certain people that like when they move in your periphery, you just kind of like notice them for one reason or another. Like your eye is very like drawn to them. And he's that he come noticing like the host at the restaurant. And then when I looked at the host, I was like, he's carrying his body in kind of an awkward way. There's like a tension there. So I almost think like that was noticeable, but he seemed like so uncomfortable. Which, like, I just thought it was. Do you ever notice that? Does that happen to you where it's like your eye just goes to a certain person? Yeah, sure. I mean, sometimes it's like a hot person or like whatever.

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But I feel like that sometimes happens in the group space when you're leading glow. Yeah, yes. Oh, totally.

SPEAKER_03 19:05

Yeah, some people have very like you notice them more. Yeah. Maybe it's like if they're in distress, there's something primal there and noticing.

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My eyes typically will land on people who make very what I feel is socially appropriate eye contact.

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Yeah.

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And I guess this is probably vain, but looking interested in what we're like talking about.

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Yeah, because it's uncomfortable to like stare at the person who's like on their phone.

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Yeah.

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Sort of like facing your own irrelevance to the person.

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Or somebody who's playing with a fidget a lot, or which can I can just be distracting. Yeah. It's a weird body carrying tension. Yeah. Did you call that out to that person? Yeah, we're like, what? Why are we noticing you?

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Yeah, it was like here's some notes. Be a little less office.

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You're ruining my dinner because you're in my periphery.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

I keep I keep looking up at you, and then you look at me and make a face like I'm bothering you. He was also wearing bright beige. Bright bright? Is that an oxymoron? It was electrifying. Bright beige.

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Bright beige is definitely your band name. Bright beige.

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That is your band name. Is that also a color that your neighbor invented along with neon?

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Totally.

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They're almost polar opposite. Bright beige.

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So thus he invented it.

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It wasn't a dull beige.

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He was wearing bright beige. That's incredible.

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It was like linen. He was wearing like linen.

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Oh, linen.

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Yeah.

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Like a suit?

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Yeah, it was like he was the host, so he was kind of dressed up.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Okay, but summer wear.

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Summerweight suit.

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Yeah. Formal wear. Where's the linen?

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I guess it was like it was probably 60. It breathes. Yeah, it breathes.

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Bright beige.

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Bright beige.

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That's great.

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But yeah, it's like BB. It is interesting. I argued in this, there's no like you know, research to back what I'm saying, but like maybe it is like you're primed to notice people that seem uncomfortable as potential like threats. Probably. Someone at ease probably just feels less threatening.

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More safe.

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Yeah.

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That makes sense.

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And then, yeah, of course, noticing someone wearing like bright colors. Beige even.

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He was also alarmingly hot. Alarming.

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He wasn't.

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I don't know. I couldn't meet him face to face because I was in so much agony.

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Totally like reasonably attractive, but okay. Reasonable. Yeah.

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Like Josh Hartnett.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

He was no Josh Hartnett, I'll tell you that much. Josh Hartnett. Is there a person alive who is immune to the charms of Josh Hartnett? What has he been in recently? I mean, actually recently he's been working.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Is he in the pit?

SPEAKER_03 21:48

No. If he was in the pit. If he was in the pit, I'd be watching the world. But he's a terrible actor, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:54

We can all agree on that.

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What do you think he was terrible in?

SPEAKER_01 21:56

Pearl Harbor.

SPEAKER_03 21:57

I don't think you can judge someone on a movie that poorly. Like written. Well, don't take the role then. I mean, I doubt either of us would have turned down that paycheck.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

Ben Affleck?

SPEAKER_02 22:06

I truly loathe Ben Affleck.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

See, you asked the question, I gave you an answer, and now you're an apologist for Josh Hardett.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

I will die on that.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Wicker Park?

SPEAKER_02 22:17

I thought he was good in that.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Uh he was in one of the Halloween movies.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Really?

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Yeah, I saw it at a drive-in in high school, I think.

SPEAKER_02 22:25

In the early 70s.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Definitely the early 70s.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

I love that.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

It was a double feature.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

He was in The Virgin Suicides. Okay. He was in Trap, the new M. Night Shyamlan recently. Oh, right. Yeah, which that movie, it's like was kind of insane. He's delicious in Trap. How old is he? He plays like a nerdy dad who's also like a murderer. Is he like my age? Yeah, I think he's about mid-40s. Like he's like mid-40s. Yeah, I think he has four kids.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

I remember in high school when he was very, you know, getting very popular. His hair situation was always like front, fine, but then he always had like a stuck up kind of like back situation. Yeah, at the time. Yeah, high school. It was like a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 23:08

Yeah, kind of like the like sticking up hair. Yeah, kind of sticking up.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Which is so but not so messy.

SPEAKER_03 23:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

It was like styled messy. Oh, totally. Beige. Perfectly unbearable. Brightly.

SPEAKER_02 23:19

Yeah. Dressed bait in a bright beige.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Josh Hartnett. I need to really do some research on Josh Hartnett. I guess I'm giving him a I know he's a listener, so I'm sorry. We'll have you on though.

SPEAKER_03 23:29

Yeah, we'll definitely get him on. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Will you even be able to speak?

SPEAKER_03 23:34

No, I mean I would pass away. Absolutely. I would never be no. I mean, would I be it's like that's a good question. Would I genuinely be nervous? It's like if I met him in real life, he'd probably just feel like a dad. You know, so I probably would be fine. Don't meet your heroes, though. Yeah. Or your crushes. Because then what if he's like super dull? I know. I know. I think that can really be the case. You can meet celebrities and be so let down. Yeah. I mean, Deepak Chopra. I didn't meet him, but like he's on the Epstein in the Epstein files. Yikes. I mean, I was like modeling my life after his words at times. Which, like, you know, sometimes the words like transcend the person, I think. But it was disappointing to say that. And the words are meaningful. The words are meaningful to me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

And he might have other things going on that we don't know.

SPEAKER_03 24:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Appreciate or not. Oh my god, yeah. Hashtag Michael Jackson.

SPEAKER_03 24:29

How did we get on Josh Hartnett?

unknown 24:31

No.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

How did we get on Josh Hartnett?

SPEAKER_03 24:33

Would he be noticeable at Spock and Oppoly?

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Oh, right.

Teaching Kids Safety And Independence

SPEAKER_03 24:38

But anyway, I mean, maybe it's time to move into our club. I mean, maybe we oh we didn't talk about Tiger Woods.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Oh, we didn't, we didn't know. I mean, what's there to say about Tiger Woods? There was another story. Uh this has happened to him before, where he has rolled over his vehicle.

SPEAKER_03 24:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Well, the first thing we found him. Yeah. He refused to do a urine sample. His breathalyzer was zero. It was all zeros. Okay. But there was something not okay. And so they wanted to do a urine sample, right? He refused. And so they had to charge him with a D UI. Oh, if you refuse, that's true. Something like that. And so he ended up spending, you know, like I don't know, eight out of 12 hours in in jail. Okay. But this is not the first instance where he he's actually rolled a car over before. So yeah. And I I think there might be some uh maybe a history of pain meds because of his injuries and multiple surgeries. And again, I'm not saying this as facts, but that was just a story that was circulating this past week. And I hadn't been paying attention too much to the news because I was on vacation, but it was just like what's going on with him? Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

I think he has real substance use disorder, obviously. Um and can't really shake it.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

But but also just that it's so like he's driving, like he's putting people in danger.

SPEAKER_03 26:06

I know.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

He's putting himself in danger, but he's putting other people in danger.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

This can be sometimes an issue with like pill addiction and people sometimes relate to it differently than like having drinks and getting behind the wheel.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Well, and I'm always curious about, and this is a broad generalization about people who appear to have a lot of money who still want to drive. Just hire a driver.

unknown 26:29

I know.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Like if you have if you're using stuff, that's your what you're doing.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 26:36

But like Or get a freaking Uber.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Just get a driver or anybody. Right. Like, don't. I know.

SPEAKER_03 26:41

It's like if we can Uber places and like make it work in our budget, like definitely they should be doing that.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Yeah. So man, it's like I know.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

It's probably like having everything at your fingertips, you know. Oh, well, I want to leave this place I think now in my car.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

And and this was another, so he had another instance where he rolled over a car, but then there was also, and I still remember this, I think it was the Thanksgiving weekend. He was in his car, his SUV or whatever. And um, that's when his at the time wife, I believe, had found out about his infidelity. Yes. And then she ended up like taking a club to like one of his windows and shattered his window.

SPEAKER_03 27:20

Yeah, they had a very violent fight.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:24

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

A lot of car issues.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

Yeah. Yeah, maybe he like feels safe in the car.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

As he's rolling them over. I mean, so crazy. I know. So that was another thing that was in the news.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

I really am that person, like, and have been since I was young and like first really had alcohol. Like, I really for a long, long time, like wouldn't have like a sip of anything and drive. And I feel like the response I got from the people around me was like, oh my God, chill out. You know, like I'm sure it's much more common. Yeah. And I I am very I I at times can be overly cautious about things, like even beyond like drinking and driving or whatever. But it's like, I really my mind really does go to like, well, what if heaven forbid something happens?

SPEAKER_01 28:13

What if something happens?

SPEAKER_03 28:14

Like it's just not worth it. I'd rather kind of inconvenience myself or spend a little extra money and not risk that. Like, I really do feel that. And I have plenty of people in my life that are like, oh my God, loser. And it's like, wow, okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

It's easy to say that until something happens.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

I know.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

Which I don't want something to happen to people, but it's like if nothing's ever happened, you probably think it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

I know there's areas in my life where it's like, I really do need to tone that down. Like, I can be a little over the top with that. But to me, like drinking and driving and yeah. Or it's like I'll think it's like if I turn the stove on and I need to get something from a high shelf, I'll turn it off to stand on the thing. Cause I'm like, if I fell on a hot stove, you know, it's like I'll be really like, I'll think about the accident.

When Accidents Happen At Home

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Yeah. A lot. Oh my God. Speaking of accident, I completely forgot that this happened. What? And it just happened yesterday. My brother came down uh to visit with his wife and two kids. And his kids are, you know, as old as is in high school. Um, all the boys went downstairs. He has two boys, and they went downstairs in our basement, and we have like a small basketball hoop down there, you know. So they're playing.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

We've hooped it up. You've hooped it up, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

And you're gonna hoop it up this weekend too. But yeah, um, so they're down there playing, the adults are upstairs, and all of a sudden we just hear something completely shatter. And I right away in my mind, I'm thinking it's our TV down there. Oh my God, no. And it wasn't, it was one of our windows. Shane had taken a full-size basketball and tried to throw it at one of his cousins, but his cousin moved and it hit the window and it just completely shattered all over the place.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

My god.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

I know. So luckily, it's not just like window and then screen, it's window and then another window. Oh, okay. Another thing was a window. So it didn't completely go through, but it was like just all over the place. So my brother and I went down there. Sarah went down there too, and uh, we were cleaning up glass last night, shards of glass. Oh, anyway.

SPEAKER_04 30:20

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

I know you'll see it when you come over.

SPEAKER_04 30:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

Maybe we'll get it replaced before then. I doubt it, though. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

But yeah. Oh my god. Shattered four boys. Something's about to happen.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

Four boys. And we don't live in that big of a place. Well, Killian, my oldest nephew, is like as tall as me.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Whoa. I know really, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:40

So you can imagine the bodies. Yeah. The heat, the the whipping of full basketballs.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

Yeah, whipping. That's like little boys love to like whip stuff.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

Oh, all over the place.

SPEAKER_03 30:53

Whip the remote at me and my brothers are like, you know, whip it. Yeah. And whip it good. Cercha will whip stuff, like she likes that a bit.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

But they don't sit down and read together.

SPEAKER_04 31:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

Which who does that? But it's got to be the most physical thing.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

You gotta feel that torque in your body.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

It's just funny too, in my mind, I wasn't down there, but the smallest person took the biggest ball and just shattered. Don't underestimate Shane. Don't underestimate the strength of that one. Um, but he felt bad about it. We went down there and he was not to be found. So he had like run to his room right away.

SPEAKER_03 31:31

So yeah. Well, I remember how bad he felt when he spilled just chocolate milk.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Yeah. And I had told him even today, I was like, you know, it reminded me of this time that I broke a window of my neighbor's window, and it's just that feels shitty as a kid.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

So yeah, my little cousin broke our neighbor's window when he was visiting.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

I broke my neighbor's window, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

And he literally said to my mom, he just like comes in the house, he's like, Auntie, and she's like, What? He's like, I didn't do it. And she's like, Do what?

SPEAKER_01 31:57

You obviously did it. What is it?

SPEAKER_02 32:00

It's so cute. I didn't do it. Like before you've even shared what it is.

Readiness For Marriage Kids And Moves

SPEAKER_03 32:07

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 32:08

Well, this is really the perfect transition to what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_03 32:13

So today we're talking about knowing, or like kind of like how you assess your readiness for certain like life milestones, or let's even say like transitions in life. Like, how do you really know you're ready or like form that decision making to get married, to have kids, to buy a house, to pick a college, move across the country, to move away, yeah, move to another country, move to another country.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

How do you know?

SPEAKER_03 32:48

How do you know? And how do you really like process a decision like that? So, yeah, when I say that, what does that bring up for you?

SPEAKER_01 32:58

It makes me think that you just you don't.

SPEAKER_03 33:01

You don't know, yeah. Tell us.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

I feel well, that was it. I just told you.

SPEAKER_03 33:05

Done. Done.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

No, I just that makes me think when we lean too heavily into wanting to know.

SPEAKER_04 33:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

I think it takes us away from the doing.

SPEAKER_04 33:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:15

Or we're waiting for some sort of needle to thread that's gonna be my feelings are gonna match up with my thoughts, with the perfect scenario, and that's when I'll know. Or that'll be like a light bulb moment, or just internally there'll be something. Yeah. And very rarely do those stars align. Yeah. Now, certainly there's times I feel in my life, probably you the same, where you're like, Yeah, I'm ready for this.

SPEAKER_04 33:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

But I wonder if that's even different than knowing. There's the same thing. Like if you're ready for something, or if you know.

SPEAKER_03 33:51

Well, you're bringing up a good point. It's like there's an exploring of that that is really like healthy and effective. And I think there's an exploring of it that can be like really seeking a certainty you're never gonna get. That can be kind of suffering and like at worst, kind of damaging. But there's the question of like, you know, one day I want to get married, right? Let's say someone has this like real sense. Like, I I definitely had that sense of like, oh yeah, I want a long-term partner committed in marriage. If I'm gonna have kids with someone, I want to be married to them if I can help it. And when do you do it? Who do you marry? How do you go about it? How do you know it's right to like take that plunge? And you know, in 2026, I I think I I don't know if I should say most couples, but a lot of couples, at least in my circle and my clients, you know, that's a conversation between two people. It's not, you know, some like patriarchal man just buys a ring, tells you, like asks you without a previous discussion. You know, it's a decision between two people, like, do we want to get married? And I talk about this a lot with clients. Like, there is no certainty with that. And I I feel like I will talk to friends or clients or people all in of all different in all different places in my life, that whether they're about to do something like that, it's far off, or they've already done it. There can be still that question of like, did I make the right choice? Is this right? How do I know I didn't do the wrong thing? Yeah, and that can be so painful. And I think like as a therapist, I try to deal with that present moment suffering happening right there, right? Of like you're on the precipice of getting married, and you don't know if it's right, and you want to be like certain before you do this.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

If you don't what is right? Getting married, not the right person, you're just saying right in general.

SPEAKER_03 35:52

Yeah, is marrying this person now the right choice? The right choice. So it could be a timing thing, it could be a person thing, it could be. And they use that word right. Well, sometimes the person might use the word right, sometimes it might be like, How do I know?

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Yeah, because if they use the word right, I would candle that right away. Yeah, be like, let's talk about what right means to you.

SPEAKER_03 36:14

Yeah, and almost like the fantasy of the right person.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

That's packed in a lot for people, yeah, for all of us when we say something's right versus wrong. Like there are no right decisions, yeah. There's just decisions. And so what does right even mean to you? Like, what would that look like if you felt right about something? You know, I think which is different than knowing. Yeah. I think it's interesting too because as we're talking about it, I'm thinking about how much of my kids' lives is really not considered whether they're ready for things. They're just kind of pushed into things.

SPEAKER_04 36:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

And so it's it's not really asking them. They don't really have the autonomy nor the discussions of like, are you ready for this? Or do you know Are you ready for puberty? Yeah. Do you know, you know, uh, how do I know if I'm ready for six? Well, it doesn't matter if you know if you're ready for sixth grade, you're gonna move from fifth to sixth.

SPEAKER_03 37:07

Like it's not really, you know, so well, you're getting at something like deeper in this, which is we have less autonomy than we think. And less like control.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Because how do you know if you've been told your whole life this is the trajectory, right? Like and this is just what you do. We're not really considering whether you know it or not. Right.

SPEAKER_03 37:25

Whether you feel ready.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

Yeah, or are you ready for something?

SPEAKER_03 37:28

Well, that's sometimes what's so difficult about the milestones that do appear like more of a choice. And I do say appear because I think it's like if we take like marriage, it's like there's choice in that, of course. But it's like no matter who you marry and when, you have no clue the things that will befall the two of you in that relationship, what will test it, what you'll even be like in it at the different phases of it.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

In some ways, it's a little bit silly to really think like, gotta pick the right person, because it's like gotta pick the right life.

SPEAKER_04 38:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

And really, it's like it will pick you and and it will make and shape you.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

And what if you never feel ready? Right. The lack of readiness doesn't mean it can't still be a very meaningful choice, yeah, or milestone to engage with. Yeah. And so let's think about it in terms of you don't feel ready and it's meaningful, like you're saying, the dialectic. So, what would be meaningful about it if you did choose to move across the country or you did choose to get married or start to try to have a family?

SPEAKER_03 38:37

And you know, it's like, what is readiness?

SPEAKER_01 38:40

Yeah, well, that's a whole nother thing. Yeah, what does it mean to be ready for something?

SPEAKER_03 38:44

You know, because funny, like in a qualitative, like emotional sense, I really do feel ready to be a mom. I really do, probably for like the first time ever, really spiritually feel that. But it's also like, when are you ready to give up so much freedom? And like, yeah, you know, like it's like I know I say that, and then when I'm in it, I'll be like, Well, I definitely wasn't ready for this, you know.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

Like I think that's where the commitment comes in. Yeah. Are you still gonna commit to what's important to you when you don't feel ready?

SPEAKER_03 39:16

Yeah, wherever the readiness lies, wherever the readiness lies.

SPEAKER_01 39:19

So you feel ready right now, and then let's say six months into a pregnancy, you have other thoughts. Are you still committed though to it? Right. Because the readiness will come. I hear what you're saying, where it's like, you know, I do feel grounded and I'm ready to start a family.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Yeah, it's like I'm ready for this phase and this being the focus. And in some ways, it's like I'm ready to like decentralize myself as the focus. I I think, but I have not yet done this thing. So it's like I'm sure there will be elements of that that feel like really challenging, and and it's like you may never feel ready for certain things even after you've endured them, you know, like readiness is like the wrong word. Something is challenging, full stop, and you have to just rise to meet it no matter what your readiness is. You know, it's like you're not really gonna know what it's like until you're in it. So I I empathize with the like, how does one really just set forward and make that choice? Right. Dive in.

SPEAKER_05 40:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:24

Cause I feel this sometimes with like financial risks. I can feel kind of paralyzed. Things like with my practice, like I waited a long time.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Listen, I was just thinking that. I I remember you were was like, yeah, I it's never gonna feel the way I want it to feel. I just have to commit to my practice. Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

You're so right. I really was like, oh, I'm waiting for it to feel for me to feel ready. I'm never gonna feel ready.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Yeah. I just have to live. And you did it, and it was such a and has been such a amazing. I mean, I don't even know what what the word is, but that there's so many words to describe it for you. Yeah. Right. And I'm so happy for you. Yeah. But that's a perfect example of you could still be waiting for that. Right.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

I in some ways I could easily still be waiting. Yeah. And and you know, I was in therapy at the time, and that really helped me with with Melissa, my therapist before the one I have now. She was really like, what does this readiness really look like? And she helped me really notice like you're as ready as you're going to be.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:27

You know, and she did say to me too, like, you're saying like you could never, you could never afford your own health insurance. She's like, Have you ever looked into it? And I was like, No. She's like, Well, before we decide that you could never afford it, why don't you crunch some numbers, go to the website? And right when I did, I was like, I could totally afford this. I can do this. I still would make a lot more than I'm making now. And I was like, I could totally do this. And like, I could keep my like doctors, I could keep all this. And I was like, Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

Right. I gotta do this. So that's again where we when we initially started this, we want everything to line up. We want the feeling, we want our thoughts to line up with it, and then that'll be the indicator.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

Or that it'll feel comfortable. I think really, when I really think about it for me, it's like I want it to feel comfortable and safe.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

A hundred percent. I think that's for everybody. I think it's for myself included. I think readiness probably is fused a lot with I don't have fear about it, yeah, or I'm not anxious about it, or there's less doubts about it.

SPEAKER_04 42:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

That's not to say that we should be completely just impulsive.

SPEAKER_04 42:33

Right.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Those things should be considered because that anxiety or that fear could be telling us something that we're not, we we truly aren't ready for something, or that we need to pay more attention. But but those are things that we create our own barriers with that, myself included, right? Because it's like if I if you're not gonna, I'm not gonna do a lot of parenting things. If I want to feel ready for it, you just gotta do it. Yeah, yeah. Because you're not your kids are changing constantly, you're not ready for it. Because once you start feeling comfortable, I've mentioned this before, and something that you're doing as a parent, it changes. Yeah, it immediately changes. You're like, I finally got this thing down, yeah, you know, and then they're still developing, and then you're like, damn it, we had a good thing go with it. Or like, I just got my stride, and then you got another a new thing, yeah, you know, and you're not ready for that. Totally. Because you feel like, yeah, I nailed it, got it, you know, and that's not to poo-poo parenting, yeah, um, because it's it's amazing, it's great, it's there's so many great things about it, but you're never ready for all the changes that come with it, you know. Yeah, yeah, with your kids. But that's what makes it fun, yeah, frustrating.

SPEAKER_03 43:39

Like alive, yeah, totally. Well, yeah, it's like a a lot of the time when this kind of thing comes up in the clinical space for me, we will go to this like dismantling a bit of the narratives around like what you're supposed to do and what certainty is and isn't. And and I do think a lot of clients like will. When these kind of questions come up, kind of want to know, like, well, how did you know? Like, they they a lot of times want disclosure in that yeah space.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

Which is interesting. Yeah. Because how do we know?

SPEAKER_03 44:12

Well, I usually say, and this is no knock to you, like you don't, you know, and and you don't need to.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

And it's probably also not a moment. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:22

No.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Some of these things you're compiling evidence like over time.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

Yeah. Maybe that's we can call it evidence, but it's like to me, it feels like this like pull that you notice like is there and there and there and there, even if there's a turmoil and conflict, and you know, which we've talked a bunch about on the pod, like having conflict and and being two different people with different backgrounds and different viewpoints.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

And I do feel like in feeling ready to marry Sarah, it's like, well, you have to like gain evidence. You have to be with someone in good and bad, right? And like you have to be with somebody in order to then feel maybe from my experience, I'll just speak my experience, to feel ready to marry this person.

SPEAKER_04 45:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

Whatever ready means, right? But yeah, it was like, oh, I know, because we've been through stuff.

SPEAKER_04 45:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

It hasn't been all happy. It hasn't been all right. And so it's like, yeah, I could I can see how we can grow together and I'm as ready as I'll ever be to make that next step.

SPEAKER_03 45:24

Yeah, like through the thick and thin, do you notice a pull still to this person? And often like it looking at the opposite, then too, you know, it's like, well, let's say you decided not to have kids. Let's imagine that reality. There are people, a lot of people who are like, Well, I'm never doing that. And they're certain that somehow there. And that's always like worth just like noticing. There's the sense within you, without all this evidence of how it's gonna go, that that's what the choice you want. And so, do you need the certainty? There's that knowing of something there. And sometimes it's like, I do think the wise mind in the knowing sense, it's like it gets there before the ego does, you know, like a sense or a pull. I I do believe in that, and you have to kind of trust and like I think it's just the unknown.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

It's the unknown that makes us not feel ready.

SPEAKER_04 46:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:23

We want to plot it out, we want to know what it's gonna look like. Yeah, that's just the way our minds work, yeah. And that benefits us in a lot of different contexts. It can also, though, really limit and also even maybe reframing it like that might be an exciting thing to not know if if you're ready or yes, yeah. Well, that's what that to kind of act more from like a instead of a logical place so much, just kind of trust like the fact that you're even questioning this. Maybe that's an indicator that you're more ready than you think.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

Yeah, that we're even discussing this, that you're curious about this. That you're curious.

SPEAKER_01 46:59

Yeah. Really meaningful.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

That that um like famous French um, I think he's a therapist. He writes books about couples and they're so beautiful. Um, and he wrote one um called The Course of Love, which is more of a love story that happens like after they get married. Okay, and kind of the ups and downs of it. But he really says, like, that's what's so romantic about marrying someone because you do not know. You don't know, you're committing anyway. That's such a declaration of love. If you value love in your life and connectedness, it's like to commit yourself without knowing is is so beautiful and like vital. Yeah, even if it crashes and burns, it's like you put yourself in to something, and if that doesn't light last your lifetime, like you can move through that too. Yeah. So much in therapy when you come in with like a specific question, it's like we really un there's just so much.

SPEAKER_01 47:55

There's so much. What's interesting, I was even thinking about our podcast. We I did we ever have a discussion about whether we were ready to start it?

SPEAKER_03 48:03

No, not really. We kind of just I was like, well, that was another thing like my practice where I was like, I just I want to do this. And you know what's funny? I don't even think I told you that.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Let's just commit to it.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

Well, I said I was like, I would want to do it with John, but I probably wouldn't want to do it. I thought I said that to myself a bunch. And one day I was like, just fucking ask him. Oh, yeah, you were saying, you know, decide for him that he doesn't want to do it. Just ask if he the worst he can say is no, I'm not interested, and that would be fine. And then right away you were like, totally. I was like, oh my god, like why did I wait so long? That's so dumb. You know, but it's like taking myself out of the game because I wasn't certain of your answer before I even asked you.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

Right, right.

Should You Tell Someone A Look Alike

SPEAKER_03 48:46

It's like I was like shielding myself from like a moment you might say no, and maybe the hopelessness of like I'm never gonna have a podcast. So again, we always come back to certainty, uncertainty, embracing it, embracing it, the unknown. Yeah, but yeah, let us know your thoughts on making decisions around milestones. Yeah, even like decisions only when you're ready, though. Yeah, only when you're absolutely 100% ready. Okay, so now we're gonna move into our how wise is it?

SPEAKER_01 49:16

Oh man, psycho. So tell us what a question. So today we're gonna ask the question how wise is it to tell someone that they look like a celebrity or somebody who's known? Because celebrity, I don't even know what that means anymore. Because everybody's everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 49:32

Yeah. A public figure.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Yeah. So something came up for you.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

Well, yeah. I well, what are your initial thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Well, my thought is like, oh, unless you are sure that this person, and I'm talking certainty here, unless you know this person will be flattered by this.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:52

Because I have been told I look like celebrities, and it like ruined my week. Just thinking, like, how could a person think I look like that person? That's terrible.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

It is like a razor thin line, yeah. Margin of error. Oh. And even then, yeah, you might be insulting someone, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:12

Basically, I know anytime someone's like, oh my god, you look just like I'm like a little bit like rigid. Oh, for sure. As they're saying it, like no, oh no, oh no.

SPEAKER_01 50:21

So I was on this trip, yeah. And I kind of the more I thought about it, and I had time on the plane to think about this, uh, because I was thinking about how wise is it questions on the plane, because I typically just bradog it and just like I'm sticking straight forward, just like not doing anything. Unbelievable. So I was like, sir, I was like, What did you? I'm not even gonna ask you what you watched. I know you didn't watch anything, you're just sitting there. Um, just in my thoughts. Yeah but I kind of have a history with this, but where people telling me I look like people and me kind of have interaction. But so I and we have, I don't know, what, five million listeners now? And I know you're all subscribing to us on YouTube, so you can see us.

SPEAKER_02 50:59

20 million. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

All right. You can see us. So maybe some of you have noticed that my hair's a little bit shorter. I got my haircut, yeah. Wearing it a little bit shorter. Yeah, I like him. And so when I was on this trip, somebody told me, you know who you look like now? Adam Levine.

SPEAKER_03 51:16

Oh, Adam Levine from Maroon 5. From Maroon 5. Oh my god, that is a huge compliment.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

I don't like him though.

SPEAKER_03 51:23

Yeah, okay, but you just look like him. Okay. You're not. So is that are we okay with him? Oh, yeah. I remember a friend of mine saying they thought he was the most attractive person alive.

SPEAKER_01 51:32

I guess it just rubbed me the wrong way because I don't like him.

SPEAKER_03 51:35

Yeah, I mean, I think he's definitely got some issues.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

But as we as we all do. I don't like his band. I don't like his music. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:44

But that's a compliment finding.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

But that's the thing where it's like it's not just about the looks.

SPEAKER_03 51:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

For me.

SPEAKER_03 51:52

For you, it's the essence of the person.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

It's a lot more than the other. Well, let me tell you this.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

Like, it was just so Sister, I don't want to look like Adam Levine. Joshua were waiting on the same trip.

SPEAKER_01 52:02

On the same trip, somebody was like, you know what? You have really interesting eyes. And I was like, Oh. And and I, and they were like, Well, what color are they? Because they kind of look blue. And I was like, Yeah, my eyes are kind of like they're I think they're more green, but it depending on what I'm wearing, they kind of like reflect it a little bit. They're lighter.

SPEAKER_04 52:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:24

And they were like, Well, just maybe the eyes, maybe I don't know, but you look like Lev Schreiber.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

Oh, another absolutely gorgeous man. Okay, so maybe I don't, but I was like, really? Yeah, I don't think you look anything like Lee Schreiber, but but still it was weird. It was like just the eyes.

SPEAKER_01 52:42

Just the eyes. Let me look at his eyes.

SPEAKER_03 52:44

What do you think of Lee Shire?

SPEAKER_01 52:45

I don't know. I are people gonna be like John's upset about looking like good-looking people?

SPEAKER_03 52:50

Yeah, John, because someone told me at Pop Belly I looked like Heidi Fleiss. Fleissed?

SPEAKER_05 52:54

No.

SPEAKER_03 52:55

Literally, I truly like fell to my knees crying. I was like, I'm sorry. She looks like she was like run, dragged through the streets. Like that, I mean, this is this isn't a compliment.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

Oh my god. So I have nothing to complain about here.

SPEAKER_01 53:12

What was your question? I have nothing to complain about here. No, no, it's like dabs.

SPEAKER_03 53:17

He's so he's so like handsome and rugged. Actually, I see him.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Maybe it just makes me feel uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_03 53:24

Oh my god, Josh, Google it.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

Wait, let me Schreiber. Is it Schreiber? Schreiber. Shreiber. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 53:33

A handsome Jewish man.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

Maybe I just feel uncomfortable when people tell me I look like somebody. I mean, I think that's a thing. Is that that's a thing? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 53:45

He's so handsome, John.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

You're like a more attractive.

SPEAKER_02 53:49

I'm not going to Google Heidi Vice.

SPEAKER_01 53:50

You all can just imagine what she Well, we all know that Josh is gonna put some great pictures up of these people.

SPEAKER_02 53:56

Oh my god. So if you please be gentle with the Heidi.

SPEAKER_01 54:00

Early in my life, somebody told earlier in my life told me that I look like Wes Borland, the bass player from Limp Bizkit, which try to find a normal picture of that guy.

SPEAKER_03 54:11

Borland. Borland.

SPEAKER_00 54:14

He's wearing a mask.

SPEAKER_03 54:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

Oh you're not wearing a mask.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

He doesn't look anything like you.

SPEAKER_02 54:21

Oh, you look nothing.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

But I used to have like spiky black, you know, darker hair in the front, and I used to have like a goatee kind of go in, and people used to tell me that, and be like, Really?

SPEAKER_03 54:31

I look like that guy? You look nothing like this guy.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

And I didn't like his music.

SPEAKER_03 54:36

He literally.

SPEAKER_01 54:36

And then oddly enough, there's another celebrity at one point in my life that also has the first name of Wes, which my firstborn son's name is Wes, Wes Bentley.

SPEAKER_03 54:45

Oh, well, I I think he is such a looker. But he's kind of weird. You know, he had a heroine addiction.

SPEAKER_01 54:53

Yeah, he was in uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:54

Oh, I I could totally see this.

SPEAKER_01 54:56

American beauty. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:57

They're all handsome, really.

SPEAKER_01 54:59

It just makes me uncomfortable. Yeah. I think is what it is. Yeah. It doesn't even matter, I don't think. Because I think the people I want to look like, I think in my dream scenario, I want people to tell me I look like people that I I don't look anything like. 100%.

SPEAKER_03 55:14

It's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

Like I want people to tell me I look like, I don't know, Idris Ilba or something. Yeah. Like I, you know, it's like such a fantasy of like I don't want to look I don't want to look like a different version of me. Yeah. What I really want to look like is somebody who I think is like, oh my god, look at that person.

SPEAKER_03 55:33

Yeah, I'm trying to think of like someone I think is so unbelievably beautiful that I know I don't look anything like blonde hair.

SPEAKER_01 55:40

I I want I want to be Brad Pitt or something. Yeah. You know, like I want the blonde look.

SPEAKER_03 55:44

Yes, totally.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

The grass is like a younger Robert Redford or something, you know.

SPEAKER_03 55:49

Oh yeah. Yeah. Something like that. A little bit more rugged. Yeah, it's like if I find a beautiful blonde actress, it's like just upsetting, really, because I look nothing like them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:02

Well, this really turned on its head. Yeah. So it's like I almost think it's not wise. I think it's not wise because I just think it's uncomfortable. And you don't know who you're gonna, even if I'm not offended, I don't like their essence, and it just isn't like I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 56:14

Yeah, it's almost you gotta be like feeling like this person is so universally well liked, and like who's that?

SPEAKER_01 56:20

That's what I said. I was like, this person has to be so universally attractive, a good person, uh like all like fit all of these boxes for you to be like it's like if you tell a woman she looks like Margot Robbie, maybe. Yeah, I guess. Or if somebody told me I looked like Michael B. Jordan, I'd be like, great. Yeah, incredible. Like I'm I'm in. Totally. 100%. Totally.

SPEAKER_03 56:44

You know, like well, Josh, you get some slubs.

SPEAKER_00 56:47

Who do you get? Uh Michael B. Jordan. Yeah. And just Michael Jordan. Good for you.

SPEAKER_03 56:53

No, you get um Adam Brody.

SPEAKER_00 56:57

Adrian Brody.

SPEAKER_03 56:58

Who's Adam Brody was in the OC. Adrian Brody. Well, I guess more Adam Brody. Adam Brody is in that new show, Nobody Wants This, and he was in the O.C. Adam? I think he's just so damn handsome. And I do think you look like him in your absurdly handsome.

SPEAKER_00 57:16

I don't hate it.

SPEAKER_03 57:16

It's great. It's stroke. And then sometimes people say he looks like Hugh Dancy.

unknown 57:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:22

Joshy. Like that's you. Adam Brooklyn. Jackman.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

Hugh Jackman.

SPEAKER_03 57:27

Wait, you look like Hugh Jackman? No. No. No, Hugh Dancy. People say he looks like who's who's Claire Danes' husband.

SPEAKER_01 57:34

Oh, okay. I'd be okay with looking like Hugh Jackman. Yeah. Oh, well, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:39

Do you think he looks like that?

SPEAKER_01 57:41

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Especially like that type of picture.

SPEAKER_03 57:44

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

Totally. I'm not looking.

SPEAKER_03 57:47

Yeah, those are good ones.

SPEAKER_01 57:48

I feel like he I feel like Josh even tilts his head like that a little bit, where he gets the eyes forward, a little bit of like a pointer.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

It's like a little pointer look.

unknown 57:56

Totally.

SPEAKER_00 57:57

He's doing it. I'm really good at looking like a poor man's attractive person.

SPEAKER_03 58:01

No, you are so handsome stuff.

SPEAKER_01 58:04

But if somebody tells you that, are you okay with that? Yeah. It doesn't make you uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_03 58:08

Have you been told one you weren't okay with?

SPEAKER_01 58:10

Michael Sarah.

SPEAKER_03 58:12

Oh. But I think he's handsome, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

I don't really think you look like him.

SPEAKER_00 58:18

I think I act like him. Which is almost worse and better. You know who you act like?

SPEAKER_02 58:26

I love him.

SPEAKER_01 58:28

Oh, he's a great. He's I really enjoy seeing him in movies and stuff. He's great. And he was in uh he was actually on uh episode of Top Chef last season, too. And he was great in that episode.

SPEAKER_00 58:39

But um I just don't think you look like him at all.

SPEAKER_03 58:42

Yeah, I really don't think you look like him.

SPEAKER_00 58:44

Yeah, I think it's just that I it can be awkward, which is great. It is great.

SPEAKER_02 58:50

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 58:51

Awkward is so in.

SPEAKER_01 58:53

Well, now I feel now I feel embarrassed because I feel like everybody I mentioned here, I had a reaction to, but you were like, well, they're all handsome, so I mean what's the deal?

SPEAKER_03 59:02

Dangerously handsome. So yeah, and I'm getting heidi flies. I was like trying to do that.

SPEAKER_01 59:07

Wait, I thought you were getting a I thought you were getting a young Terry Shaivo.

unknown 59:13

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

Shout out to my friend Kathleen who definitely says I look like a young Terry Shaivo.

SPEAKER_03 59:19

Oh my god. Uh yeah, I mean it's definitely not wise. I think it's not wise. Like that woman at Popolite, I truly wanted to be like, just don't share that. Just don't share it. Tell your coworker, don't tell me. Crazy.

SPEAKER_01 59:33

Got it.

SPEAKER_03 59:34

You you looked it up and you were you said, just don't look it up.

SPEAKER_00 59:37

She's unwell. Just don't look it up, Kelly.

SPEAKER_01 59:41

It's not wise. It's not wise. I don't think it is wise.

SPEAKER_03 59:44

And maybe I really need like I used to say this like at work. I'd be like, people can talk about me. I just don't want to hear it. People can say I look like a certain celebration.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

I don't want to just don't tell me to my face.

SPEAKER_03 59:55

Yeah, because it's just too devastating.

SPEAKER_01 59:57

It's also a hard compliment to X. Like, I guess, like in those moments when people said this more recently to me, it was like, I guess, thanks. Yeah. I also felt like I didn't know what to say. Am I supposed to say you look like somebody fame famous too? Yeah. I don't know. To me, it just no, that was like forced.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:16

Yeah. It just it's very awkward because then, yeah, what do you say? You're like, oh, thanks. Like, especially if you don't often I won't know who the person is. Like, I've had people say, like, these really niche celebrities, where I'm like, I don't know who that person is. Sure. And then I'm like, I'll have to look it up. And that's kind of like all I'll say. And then I'm like, should I look it up? Actually, uh yeah, someone, a client said that to me recently that it looked like someone, but then I didn't even catch what movie they saw them in. So I'm like, I couldn't even look it up if I tried. So don't worry about it. Yeah. But yeah, it's kind of funny. Yeah, like if someone said a celebrity you're gonna know, like Idris Alba, like what do you say?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:53

Denzel Washington.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:54

Yeah, it's like you just go, like, Great Thanks. Oh, wow, I'll take it, you know, or whatever. But it's awkward. I mean, I think it's awkward when people comment on your physical appearance in general, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

And maybe that's what this is really getting at. Just like don't comment on people's looks.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:12

Yeah, it can be a little bit weird.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

Not like, yeah. Maybe fundamentally just take a pause.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:19

Like nothing wrong with you, you look nice or I like it. You look sharp, you look sharp.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:25

Which I think we've talked about in previous episodes of like complimenting, but yeah, I don't know. It just it made me feel uncomfortable, which whatever it is, I just didn't think it was. I I was like, so I'm gonna take my own advice and not tell people they look like anybody. Yeah. Because it made me feel uncomfortable. You know what we really whether the celebrity is good looking or not.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:48

So don't feel bad for me, listeners.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:51

If they look horrendous or if they look wonderful, it's awkward either way. It's awkward either way. Yeah, I think that's true. And you know what would be funny if we like put up a side by side of Adam Levine and Leave Schreiber. They like look nothing alike, right? It's just kind of funny. Like, it's like they'll catch one. Well, that's why the features and the others are the same. Yeah, that's why the eyes. Yeah. And your facial hair is like the same as his.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:14

You bridge the gap.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:15

You yeah, you're their like a long lost cousin. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:19

The three of us are great.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:21

Is Adam Levine Jewish? I think he is.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:24

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:25

Yeah. You're a Christian boy over here.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:28

Right. But I'm in good company.

Listener Prompts Plugs And Closing

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

Devout, yeah. Okay, well, that is our episode. Josh, do you think it's wise?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:35

I said it's not. You said, okay. Sorry, I missed that. Did you say it says not? Do you think it's wise to not listen to me when I talk about?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

Sorry. Sorry. It says not. You're so far away. I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:46

I'm off in the abyss. But you're looking like Adam Brody from afar. You're looking like a the closer I get, though, I look like Michael Sarah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:56

You know what someone will say, like if someone looks like a discount version of a celebrity, they'll be like the Kroger brand, you know, Adam Brody or whatever. Like I've heard people say that, which I think is funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

The everyday.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:09

Yeah. Yeah. The bizarro. The bobo. Bobo. We say that sometimes, like a bobo. Adam Levine. Or Adam Levine.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:18

Is it Levine? Levine?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:19

No, there's Adam Devine is a comedian. And then Adam Devine.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:23

Adam Devine. You look like a Bobo Bob. Levine. A bright beige.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:31

I'm wearing bright beige.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:33

A bright beige, Bobo. Adam. In that bright beige? Levine.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:37

I can't believe you said you in dead serious. You're like, he's wearing bright beige.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:44

So good. Incredible. So good.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:46

Incredible. Okay, well, thank you, everyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:49

Yeah, thanks for indulging. My life is so hard. I am being told I look like great-looking people all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:56

Totally, totally must be nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:58

Must be nice. So, haters out there, keep commenting the hate.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

Yeah, keep bringing the hate.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

All you bots. But let us know who you look like. Send us a picture, an email if you're willing. And maybe who you were told you look like. We won't post or anything. Just let us know. We'd be curious.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:13

Yeah, same. I'd be curious for sure. And um, if you want to rate and review, if you're enjoying the pod and you want to rate and review it, please do that. It helps people discover it. And helps us keep doing it. Um, and if you want to reach me, you can find me at kkpsychotherapy.com on the inquiry page there. Just shoot me an inquiry.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:32

You can email me at butzb-ut-z dot jonathan at gmail.com. Jish.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:38

I'd like to shout out the underscores album.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:41

I think you did already.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:43

Did I already?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:44

I feel like on our episode we can play it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:46

A double shout out. I thought I shouted out a different one, though.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:49

Did you? Okay, maybe maybe you didn't. Yeah, go for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:52

I thought I shouted out Mitskey last time, just in general.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:54

Yeah, maybe you did.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:55

I think I just keep playing the underscores. Yeah, Mitskey, Martin Wars. Yeah, underscores. John, you might like it. It's poppy. How would you describe it, Kelly? It's good.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:04

It's yeah, it's poppy, indie.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:07

Like, I'm putting it on. I keep saying it's like if Jane Remover. If you're not into Jane Remover, maybe you'll be into this. Oh interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:16

Can't wait for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

It's like if Jane Remover was less evil. Is it you? Their latest release? You. I would call it spastic pop, but it's honestly pretty controlled.

unknown 1:05:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:27

And also It's kind of just, it feels like a modern classic pop album. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:33

Uh and a pre-shout out to Thundercat. You know that, Josh, and I will be listening this Thursday. Right?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:39

Get ready to be disappointed. No, it's gonna be. No, I'm I can't wait for the Thundercat. I don't think he's come out with an album since 2020. Oh it's been a while. It was a Colfit album because I remember during Colfit I'll also fit.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:52

Well also kept banging. The Coven.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

That's always my reference.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:59

Colvin?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

Colvin.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:01

I'm gonna come down with Colvin.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:03

And in the spirit of these plugs, I'm loving the new Robin album. Oh, Robin came out with an album, yeah. Check it out. It's good. Sexistential is called.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:12

Check out the song Sexistential.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:13

Or Sex Essential.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:15

I don't know. How do you pronounce that? I think she'd be fine with either.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:17

Either, yeah. It's great. I I really liked it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:19

Yeah, I'm really enjoying it. I probably listened to it five or six times this week.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:22

Yeah, it's not that long.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:23

It's 29 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:25

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:26

Nobody comes out with a long album anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:28

I know nobody has the attention span for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

That's too bad. Which is too bad. I really like to grind out some of those middle tracks where you kind of like want to lose interest, but then you have to stick with it. Anyway, where do you find it?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:40

You can find me at um joshbayerfilms.com. Bayer is in the aspirin, and I will edit literally anything you want. Also, if you want to be on the pod, you can reach out to any of us or me.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:53

Yeah. Okay, thanks everyone.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:56

We'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:56

Bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:57

Bye.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:57

Thank you, Blake Ford. Thank you, Blake forwards. Thank you, Blanket Fords. Bye.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:01

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