(over)analyzing SHRINKING

2 therapists get together to discuss the hit Apple TV show "Shrinking" ❤️‍🔥 did somebody say "spinoff potential?"

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Transcript

Summer Catch-Up And Weekend Wins

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Welcome to the Wise Mind Happy Hour. I'm Kelly.

SPEAKER_02 0:08

And I'm John. Welcome back.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

Welcome back. Back in studio. Back in studio. Today we're going to talk a bit about the TV show shrinking. We watched John and I watched the first three episodes, so we're going to get into the thoughts on us. Yeah, we watched it separately. We didn't have a viewing party, but that would have been fun. No. Speaking of it. I'll think about that. But let's check in first. Let's check in with you.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Well, was the official, or um is it the official or the not official kickoff of summer? Because it was just Memorial Day.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Oh, is Memorial Day considered that? I guess that makes sense. Yeah, the beginning of summer. The beginning of summer.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

So this was a long weekend. So I was with the fam. Nice. Uh I did a lot of things that I love to do. I went to the farmer's market, which was actually a little disappointing. You know, I went to the Nettlehorst one. I walked over there. That's a school in Lake View. And I found though, maybe it's too early in the season. It was mostly focused on pastries and baked goods and bread right now versus so many are like that now. There isn't not as much produce. Yeah. And I really wanted to get some fresh produce. And it was and it was obviously my bread issues with celiac. I was I really was kind of disappointed.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

That is disappointing.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

So I mean they had beautiful bouquets and flowers, and that's just not what I was looking for. So I'm hoping as the season goes on, maybe it'll change a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

I okay. This is a good thing for us to think about because I obviously the once upon a time the farmer's market was like produce. It was like fresh farm.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

And that one usually is. And they have a great cheesemonger there who's great. Cheesemonger is just a funny word. Is that right? Or is it only a fishmonger?

SPEAKER_00 2:01

No, cheesemonger is a thing. What's a monger though?

SPEAKER_02 2:04

It is a weird word.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

It's like slam. Let me look it up.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

Monger. And then yesterday was pool day. We were at Lincoln Wood. Oh, you know it. And it was slammed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Because you have Monday off. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

Yeah, Monday off. So yesterday we were in the sun all day. I was just wiped out, but it was great.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Yeah. Swimming is so tiring. And just yawning. You're yawning thinking of it. I can't. I today I cannot stop yawning. My morning client, when I was yawning, they were like laughing. I was like, what are you doing? Like, I have a yawning disorder.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

It's like so that was kind of my weekend.

The Registration Sticker Panic

SPEAKER_02 2:38

But one thing interesting that happened, I must be going crazy because when I got up this morning, I went to my car and there was a ticket on it. I know. And I was like, that's weird. So I looked at the ticket and it said uh vehicle registration expired. And I was like, that what? So I looked at my license plate, and sure enough, it says 326. And I was like, what? So I looked in my glove compartment, don't have my vehicle registration for this new year. And I was like, that can't possibly be. That is, I make a lot of mistakes in my life. I'm pretty organized when it comes to that sort of stuff. So I get to work and I look through my emails and I have a receipt that I paid for the new registration. So for 26. Yeah, for 27.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

For 27.

SPEAKER_02 3:26

Yeah. So I must have misplaced it. I must have.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Oh, like you forgot to put the stick on it.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

I forgot to put it on or something. I know, so annoying. So I called the Secretary of State's office. They're like, you're gonna have to go to the DMV.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

I'm like, ugh, no. Wait, you have to go to the DMV, not the office of the city clerk.

SPEAKER_02 3:46

No, they were like, you have to go to DMV. Oh, I know it's so annoying. I I said, Can't you just mail me another one? You can see you she she checked. Obviously, I paid. I was like, it either got lost in the mail or maybe I misplaced it or threw it out. This sucks. I don't want to go. She's like, you gotta go. Don't make me don't make me go. So now I get it.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

Isn't that annoying? That's really annoying. Wait, I was there recently. What was it for?

SPEAKER_02 4:14

And obviously, as usual, I've sold the rights to this story. Yeah. We're gonna make it into a mini-series. It's hugely entertaining and popular.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Like a really blow-up mini-series on Apple TV.

SPEAKER_02 4:25

Now I understand why Josh is falling asleep while I'm talking. I was like, Was I telling stories about no, you weren't.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

I I love minutia like this.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Well, uh so now I gotta figure out a time to go there.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Did we get our license sticker?

SPEAKER_02 4:40

No.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

We never got it?

SPEAKER_01 4:42

No, we're about to get towed.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

What does it do?

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Didn't we never get it?

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Doesn't the dealership give it to you? Let's get a new car. You're parked in a garage, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:55

Well, that's what happened to me last year. I never got a ticket, so then I never ever got it, and then I got in trouble.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

What would the envelope say? Like DMV.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

Yep. It would say like City of Chicago vehicle, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Like the way you said it though, with the accent DMV.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Wait, are you sure we never got it?

SPEAKER_01 5:13

Well, I just recycled two things last night without opening them, but one was Chase Sapphire.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

Statement enclosed. Boring.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

What was the other one?

SPEAKER_01 5:21

We get our online, they won't let us sign up for paperless. They won't let us.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

The other one, hmm, let's see. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Was it Faraday?

SPEAKER_01 5:33

It was it might have been Faraday. No, it was um some other thing that was like a bill I had already paid for online.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

Wait, are you sure we never put the sticker on?

SPEAKER_02 5:44

See, now I've done what this did to me, which all day I was thinking about if my other car was registered, which it was. I paid for that one, I put the sticker on, and it's fine. It's for some reason I just forgot to do this one. I don't I but I paid for it, I just don't know where it went. I think you're okay. I'm inducing fear in your life.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

I now I can't remember us putting it on.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

We because we haven't.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

But I ordered it.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

Yeah, you did order it. Maybe they're not mailing them to people.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

What is it? Is it at my mom's?

SPEAKER_01 6:14

This seems like some kind of mass error. Let me Google this. By the way, a monger is a by the way, monger. A monger is a dealer trader or vendor of a specific commodity.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Will you text my mom and ask her?

SPEAKER_01 6:27

If she got it.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

I also accidentally ordered something to her house.

unknown 6:33

What's going on? Whoops.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

I was like, it said it was delivered, and then I look at the picture because you know they send you a picture of it delivered. The front door, I'm like, that's my mom's door.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

So there must be something in the air because now that you mention the Chase Sapphire, here's the other thing that's been happening.

Weird Charges And Admin Overload

SPEAKER_02 6:48

Last week I noticed three charges from Facebook advertising on my credit card. Very, very small charges. $3.60, $2.08. It was like two charges a day for a couple days.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

And I'm not on Facebook, Sarah's not on Facebook. So it's like, what's happening here? So of course I call Chase and they have to issue us new cards, and now we have to wait for our cards, and then we have to change our auto pay on every single thing we do. So it's been one of those weeks of these uh life administrative tasks that have gotten out of hand for me.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Totally.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

And now I'm just creating fear for both of you. Or maybe just for you.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

I feel like you went down to the garage and put it on there.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

That was um another time.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

The city sticker.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

I thought we ordered the city sticker.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

The license sticker.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

What wouldn't would we know if we went down to the car? Well, yeah, it'd be on there.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

It's on there.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

So let's just check later. It'd be on the license plate.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Will you remember?

SPEAKER_01 8:02

I'll just like make a note. I'll remind you of the city sticker.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Yeah, make a note right now.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

City sticker?

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Whatever.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

We also have to call Golens.

unknown 8:12

Whatever.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

I don't have time for this. I can do it. No, I'll do it.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

This is a public service announcement for people. Check your vehicle registration.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:21

And call Golens.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

And your city didn't used to be like this. I would order it and it would come and I would put it on my car. Like, what is the deal?

SPEAKER_02 8:30

It's easy for me to blame the city or the post office on this one. I literally go into my glove compartment to look for the registration. I'm thinking I probably just didn't put the sticker on. I have the registration. And sure enough, in my car, I have 2021, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26. I don't even need those, and I keep them in my car. Yeah. So that was proof. I'm like, oh, it's totally the city. But maybe I made a mistake. I don't know. I mean, I've made a mistake with it for sure, but I'm lucky I only got one ticket so far. Because they've been expired since March.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Yeah, I had one for a whole year.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

I usually park in a garage, though. That's probably how I got away with it. Yeah. But still, I park in the street a lot of times.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

Anyway, so the start of summer is a lot of admin for John.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yeah. God, I know. That's so good. Admin is like so. I think I suffer over admin. I need to just like put things on a to-do list and do it.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

Well apply for a job. Good point. I just apply for a job and get it. Just apply for a vehicle registration and it's on your car. I the the annoying part is going to the DMV. It's also finding the time to go to the DMV for when am I going to do that? So hard with a regular job. I don't want to do a regular hours job.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

And the woman was very nice on the phone with me at the Secretary of State. She made it sound so simple. I know it's not going to be that simple. I'm going to go there and they're going to give me a hard time about it. They'll send you home before you. They're going to be like, what do you mean you didn't get it?

unknown 10:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

I'm like, well, either if whether I did or I didn't, I need another one. So just give it to me.

unknown 10:14

Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

We did this back and forth about like the registration on or the title on my mom's car because it was our car and they're just transfers. Yeah. I mean, that was an absolute disaster. But that's over now.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

I've never done that, and I never want to do that.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Oi. Oi. Oi. God, I hope we um find that. Maybe I put it on the car.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

Yeah. It's possible. It's such an unremarkable thing. I thought it was on my car.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Because they do it all the time. One centimeter. Yeah, right. And it never comes off. Yeah. It's and that's technology that's very sticky. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:55

And if it comes off, it's ruined. If somebody tries to steal it, it's you can't. Oh. The sticker ruins itself. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Self-destructive.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

Right, that's what I meant. Not ruining it.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

The sticker will self-destruct in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

Well, what about you guys? Let's move on so that you because you're already ruminating. I can tell right now.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

I I really am.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

You need to pause this episode so you can do that.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

I thought about it briefly, but I think I'll be able to put it out of my head.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Really? I think so. This would be a mental exercise.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

I'll get distracted with you.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Do you want me to go down and check?

SPEAKER_02 11:26

I mean, that would be wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

And you can just keep it.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Do you know what you're looking for? A city sticker. No, you're looking for the registration sticker. So you're going to go to the license plate. That one's on the back of the license plate. Yep. And it'll be a month and a year.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Why don't I just take a few pictures?

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Take a picture of both the front and the back license plate. It should be on the back license plate, your vehicle registration sticker.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

I'm going on Safari.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

All right. We're going to not pause.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

We're going to not pause. We're going to power through.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

Power through manger.

Moving Stress And A 1969 Therapy Satire

SPEAKER_00 11:55

So our our weekend was a lot of packing and like getting stuff together. Yes. And I like purged a lot, which is nice. That feels really good to purge. I do like the purge. And then we um we watched this movie. I wonder if you've ever seen it. Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice. No. It's I think it's maybe from the 60s. It's Elliot Gould, isn't it? I love Elliot Gould. He's so good. And um Natalie Wood.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Oh, Natalie Wood. She drowned. Yeah, died a tragic death. Who was implicated in that, though never convicted? Robert Wagner?

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Yes, and Christopher Walken was also on the boat.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Oh, he was on the boat too. I feel like he got away scot-free, though.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Nobody ever talks about him. They always talk about Robert Wagner.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Right. Okay, it was in 1969, this movie. It's a satirical comedy film about two couples in Southern California exploring the sexual revolution and free love movement with a focus on an open marriage and swinging.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

So basically it's like the the movie starts with they go to this like retreat center, you know, kind of like the Don Draper retreat center. And it's like they spend 24 straight hours in this like group therapy session where they're supposed to like be like radically honest about their feelings. And it's pretty funny. Like they do the whole thing in a pretty funny way. And so the couple is like really into this, like being really honest and feeling like free from that. And they have two friends, um, Ted and Alice, that are like less like that, and they're trying to kind of convince them. And it's like Bob and Carol I'll I'll spoil a part of it. But but basically, Bob is a he's a documentary filmmaker like our Joshi. And he is filming a movie and in San Francisco, and he comes home to Carol and like their son, and he's on this whole thing of like being honest. So like he and Carol are like when he when he sees her and he's like getting into bed, he's like, I had an affair in San Francisco. And she's kind of like, Wait, I don't really understand what you're saying to me. And he's like, I had an affair in San Francisco. Tell me how you feel about that. Like, because they're always talking about feelings, like now that they've been and she really what you could tell she's really like trying to see what she feels, and she's like, I feel nothing, and she's like, Did you love this person? He's like, No, it was meaningless, it was just physical, and she's like, and do you love me still? And he's like, Yeah, and she's like, Okay, I I really feel okay. And he was like, You can't feel okay, like he couldn't believe it. And that's kind of how they get to this place where like they really dial into their real feelings, and like everyone around them kind of can't believe it. And it's like the ins and outs of them like exploring this in their community, and it's really funny and insightful, and uh, you know what happens and who like has no reaction and then who ends up having a big reaction is like right, it's great, and there's a therapy scene in other than the group therapy scene, there's like a psychoanalysis scene that is great. I mean, I honestly think people should just like Google or YouTube this scene in that movie. Um, and I almost was in my mind comparing it a little bit to shrinking, which is obviously very different. But the way I'm like, whoever directed this movie has been to analysis because, like, really they had such a and the actor was so good doing it. I was like, oh wow, he's like I wondered if he was an analyst because he had a very good way of of handling the space, but it's a great movie. I highly recommend it. Interesting. I've never heard of it. Oh, here's Josh.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

We don't have it. 426 expired. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

Well, you're doing better than me. Mine was 326.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

But I got the avocado oil.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Oh great.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

Did you text my mom?

SPEAKER_02 16:11

Yeah. So you should have 30 days upon you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

It's not May 26th yet? Is it?

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Tomorrow is, I think. So you're right on the cusp there.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Oh dear.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

It's no, today's the 26th, actually.

unknown 16:24

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 16:25

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

So I literally ordered it like two months ago.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

Yeah. That I ordered mine in February. Did I there's some issue.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Did I throw it away?

SPEAKER_02 16:36

Stuff like this stresses me out so bad. Well, that would have been two of us then. That did the exact same thing. We ordered it really early, got it, and then threw it away. Maybe there was some sort of mailing issue. I mean, she checked and said, Yeah, no, it was mailed on this date. She gave me a date. That doesn't mean it arrived. Um, and that doesn't mean it's true. So maybe there's some issue with the Secretary of State.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

What are you finding out over there, Jashi?

SPEAKER_01 17:04

I mean, nothing.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

And the city sticker was okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

The city sticker's 1026. So you're good until October. Gonna be gonna be golden.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

I feel like every time I'm at the DMB, you know, they act like, oh, you don't have the blood of a virgin, you know. Right. Like, whatever, like something that you're like, oh, I'm supposed to know to have that.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

Everyone is an inconvenience to them.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

I mean, talk about some sort of a case study that needs to be done on what is it about that environment that just makes it so toxic, where people think we're the ones in the wrong. We're just looking for help.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Totally.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

This is a monument built for people to get help.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Right. Oh boy. A lot to do. I'm like having one of those days where I am overwhelmed by like all the things to do, but we're moving, and that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

You know, this might be our most stressful catch-up. Yeah. Oh, I feel bad. An intro. We could have. Do you think people listening right now are thinking about their own to-do list?

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

And panicked? I bet people shut us off a long time ago and have gotten into the.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

And now we have a free space to talk about whatever we want. And right. Because everybody has gone. So much admin. Do you I was wondering, do you have like packing strategy when you're moving?

SPEAKER_02 18:30

No.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

No, you kind of just do it. Um, okay, maybe we should just get into our topic. We're like, we're meandering. We're just bombing.

SPEAKER_02 18:37

We're bombing right now. Yeah. Yeah, let's let's talk about

Shrinking First Impressions As Therapists

SPEAKER_02 18:41

shrinking.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Yes. Okay. So we were So the task.

SPEAKER_02 18:44

Yeah, what was the task?

SPEAKER_00 18:45

We watched the first three episodes of season one of shrinking. And I am already, Josh and I are already into season two, so I went back to re-watch them. This was my first go over. Yeah, so as your first time, what'd you think?

SPEAKER_02 19:02

I feel like I've been practicing my Harrison Ford now.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Yeah. Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_02 19:13

Like that type of thing. I like it. I it's I think it's a difficult. It's not difficult. I think it's a very enjoyable watch. I think you have to suspend disbelief of just how insane the boundary violations are in it. And it is enjoyable to think about maybe for people in our line of work, what would it be like? How freeing would it be to just be your most honest with the people you work with or follow them around to actual contexts where they're engaging in behaviors where you could tell them to like cut that shit out or right on the date. Yeah, exactly. You know, or just do something very radical with somebody that's not bound by the conf confines of ethics or yeah. So I think it's it's very enjoyable for a lot of reasons. One of them is maybe it's a a little bit of a a dream of oh man, what would that be like? Like living out a kind of fantasy therapy type of thing. And the reason I said difficult is sometimes my mind keeps going back to, oh my god, like what are they doing? Which I think there's a little bit of that with Harrison Ford's character, yeah, who's you know, almost a rock. He's so rigid in a lot of ways.

Everyone Is Grieving Something

SPEAKER_02 20:40

So those are those are just kind of my initial thoughts of it. But I mean, it's it's certainly a show about loss, right? And grieving. At least the first three episodes are everybody's grieving something.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Everybody's lost or is losing or in you know anticipatory stages of grief.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Oh, yeah. I hadn't even thought of that, but you're so right.

SPEAKER_02 21:01

You know, Jimmy, who is Jason Siegel's character, I mean, he's the main character, and so his wife, we learn, died in a car accident, and he's been not really grieving, but he it's been a year. Yeah. And and then Harrison Ford is grieving the fact that he has been diagnosed with Parkinson's. Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Yeah, his kind of mobility.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

And then their coworker, Gabby, is it?

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Uh yeah, Gabby, right? Yeah, Gabby. She's you know Jessica Williams, she's getting a divorce.

SPEAKER_02 21:31

Getting a divorce, yeah. Um, the daughter, certainly, grieving the mom.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Um and the neighbor grieving her son.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

Her son's leaving, so she's an empty nester now.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

God, I didn't you're so right. I did not cock that.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

You know, and and then we have one of Jason Siegel's patients leaving her husband and um an abusive relationship, and then and then even the veteran who comes back. Um You know, and and has obviously trauma, but yeah. So I I that was what struck me is wow, like this is really about grief. This is very much a show. At least the first three episodes, this is everybody's grieving sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

Did you find it funny?

SPEAKER_02 22:17

I think there were definitely parts that were funny.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

I don't know if Jimmy, the main character. I think sometimes it's almost so goofball a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Sure. Like a Jimmy.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

I think that's just the way Jason Siegel acts, though. I think he's whether he's typecast or he's just so good at that, he's so ridiculous in moments. Yeah. You know, and he can be very dramatic and authentic. And I just don't think he's the funniest. I think there were some some very funny moments. And do you think it's funny?

SPEAKER_00 22:46

I now that I've seen more of it, I think it's super funny. I think it like finds its stride more. I actually think Jimmy becomes less annoying, and Harrison becomes a little more annoying. To me, to me, like there are moments where every single word out of his mouth is a joke. And I'm like, this is getting annoying.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Sometimes you're like, chill.

SPEAKER_02 23:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

I think Jessica Williams is always like perfect picture. She's funny. She's really funny. So funny. And she's a comedian, and like you believe her. I feel like it's like that's someone I know. Yeah. You know, and they would be a good therapist. And but yeah, you're right. It's like it's funny as a therapist to watch it because it's like it's a comedy. It's like I don't watch Scrubs and think like, well, this is unrealistic.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

I'm like, this is a ridiculous show that's meant to be ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

You have to suspend the right. Yeah. Which sometimes is hard.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

Totally, because they're also trying to go for some meaningful, some realistic element. So it's funny to watch it as a therapist and like kind of go back and forth. Like when he tells that client to leave her husband.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

What did you think of that?

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Well, I mean, I think that's the context of that was he's just completely lost it. Yeah. He was at the breaking point. Breaking point. And that that I feel like that was what started the cascade of she actually followed through with that. And he was like, Oh, okay, maybe if I'm just really truly dishonest with people, that might have an impact.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

I don't think it came from an intentional place. I think it was just he was at his wit's end with it. Right. You know, yeah. I it's an interesting show because so many of the interventions don't happen in the therapy space.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

Like, how many minutes would you say are even in those three episodes dedicated to people in an actual therapy session? Yeah, so five.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

If that. They don't even show Harrison Ford with a patient. I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

They don't show Gabby with a patient either. They show her in the hallway with one that she's like transferring to Jimmy. Yeah. And then Jimmy's in not even five minutes, maybe. Right. So all of the interventions are really happening. It's almost like they're therapists, and the show is about therapists' lives outside of therapy. And but the therapy, but the therapy colors how they approach life. Yeah. Unless you consider Harrison Ford's meeting with the daughters there, daughter therapy, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Yeah, but even that, you're like, well, that's this is the other thing. It's hilarious, all these therapists like schedules. I'm like, they'll have all this time to like well, their office is amazing. Their office is I their office is fantasy. Like, I want that office.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Their offices are the size of a football field.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

They're huge, they're beautiful. I always love a ground and there's only three therapists in that whole paranormal.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

There's only three therapists in the practice.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

Well, that's the other thing. I'm like, Jimmy lives in a two and a half million dollar home. If it's in California.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

With a pool.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

With a beautiful pool. I'm like, but of course, like that's just Hollywood. And that's like we we probably want to watch him in a luxurious environment, like before we watch anyone. But you're right. It is really about their personal lives.

SPEAKER_02 25:53

And here's they just struggle as humans.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

Which I like. I do like that. I I like the idea of no matter the ridiculous nature of some of it, these people are people and they're struggling in their lives just as anybody else, which is hopefully something we try to bring into the podcast, is that we struggle just as much as anybody else with certain things.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:15

How do you what do you think about the coworkers and them? Like they're all best friends. They're not all best friends, but he's calling Harrison Ford. Yeah. They're calling each other outside of work. And I mean, that's part of the show anyway, which is fine. It's a show.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

I feel like there are therapy practices like that. Okay. It's like the therapists I'm calling are like people that were friends of mine before work.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

Yeah. You know, like. But does it feel like they're, and maybe I'm just looking into it too much. Does it feel like they're reaching out to them as real friends or as they want therapy from their friends?

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Yeah, they kind of want therapy from their friends. And I wish they would show them in their own therapy. Wouldn't that be cool? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

It's hard not to look at it through that lens when it's called shrinking and they're all totally.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

And they're therapists and they're saying it's cognitive behavioral therapy. And yeah. Well, okay, I talk about over-dissecting. Like, I'm just gonna over-dissect it because we're talking about it.

Boundary Violations And Therapy Reality

SPEAKER_00 27:08

But like, you know, the scene where he like breaks down and tells the woman to leave her husband, it's interesting, like even like the desire to like shake a client, like that is that totally comes up. It's a weird like urge almost rather than like an actual, real grounded desire. Because I'm thinking, like, if you tell a client to do things, it does nothing. Like, if that woman were my client, it's like you're noticing she's in an abusive relationship. And first of all, if she's not seeing it as abusive, like that's a piece you have to reckon with too. Like your own kind of agenda and like judgment versus like what are you sensing both verbally and non-verbally is the experience of the client. Yeah. Really, what you hope for in therapy, I honestly think this can be a big difference between like coaching and therapy, is that sense of like, so you're staying in a in an abusive relationship. Let's learn about what part of the part of you that believes you have to stay here, you deserve to stay here, you can't leave. Develop deep like understanding and awareness of that part of you and learn like what do you need to see things as they are and take action to step out of it. And that's a long process. I think it's like if you tell someone to leave their partner, they'll boomerang right back, probably. Or meet another partner who's the exact same thing. You want actual shift that does result in different relationships and different dynamics, but that's a long road. And I think to just be like, you gotta leave him is like you could do so much more damage than help. So do you think that was the most egregious or it was so re-close to real that I was like judging it maybe a little more harshly than like him taking the guy to the boxing gym?

SPEAKER_02 29:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

I was like, oh, we're out of the realm of anything I would even come close to doing.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see if what's the goal of all of this? Yeah, these radical interventions. Is it that he is gonna learn so much about the people he works with and himself? Is he is it all gonna blow up in his face and he's just gonna learn more about himself? Is he gonna is it gonna be what's the end? I guess I'm curious about all I'm already curious about where does this go?

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Right.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

Is that your brand of therapy now? You're this radical loose canon therapist who this is I do things a little differently. This is how you do it, yeah, and you're the shit now because you are able to shake people, you know.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

Yeah, and those people in the field always wind up being like a snake oil. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And then the people who are like have long, long-lasting, extremely successful careers are like the guy with the elbow patches who's patient and does this the you know classic stuff, but really well.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Which I guess is Harrison Ford's character a little bit. Yeah, he owns the practice, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

Yeah, in a way, he's that archetype.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Maybe just drive me to work.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

I do think it's cute, and I they probably have to do it like this on a show like that, but like they'll use little therapy like buzzwords. He's like, well, that's what we call magical thinking. Oh, right, man. They'll kind of like spell it out. And like now, like the internet has gotten hold of like way too many of those words. Like, I'm anxiously attached, I'm you know, and like run rampant with that stuff. But this makes me think of the therapy scene in Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice.

A Movie Therapy Scene Done Right

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Basically, like how it I'm I'm kind of spoiling this movie, but it's from 1969.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

Yeah, I think people are they'd either they were they had enough time for this one.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Yeah, I would say still watch it because it's like got like 70s, late 60s, 70s, like hippie disco, not disco, like um swinging sixties. Swing, free love, yeah. The clothes are amazing, the scenes are amazing, like the coats, the one guy, the documentary filmmaker, he has all these like fur coats he wears. Like, you know, a straight guy, it's so great, incredible. Straight guy in the 60s, you know, kind of like embracing some femme clothes. But the one um Alice, who's part of like the more conservative couple, she and her husband, Ted and Alice, find out that Bob had an affair because Carol tells them and she goes, Isn't it wonderful? Like she's having this revolution of like, I'm okay with being in an ethically non-monogamous relationship where we're open, and isn't that great? And they're like, they're feeling so bad for her, even though she feels really liberated. And they have so much turmoil. The wife, like, is I'm sick about it. I can't think, you know, I feel so bad for her, and I hate Bob and like this and that. And it causes all this conflict, this very kind of funny scene of conflict between her and her husband. And she like cannot get over it. So she goes to therapy about like Carol and Bob's relationship, essentially, and what it's bringing up for her. And the therapist is like really listening. Like, I was so impressed with like the really intent listening and like the constant reflecting back. He asks something where he's like, Are you happy in your life? And she's like, Happy, yeah, I'm happy in my life. You know, I like my husband, I love my child, you know, whatever. And he says, like, do you realize you just said I like my husband and I love my child? And she's like, No, I didn't. And he's like, You did. And I was like, I love that like patient, just like ref like listening, because I didn't catch that. And Josh is like, I didn't catch that either. You know, that really patient, like showing someone their own beliefs with without really like feeding it to them or saying, like, you gotta people please less, kind of like they're doing like that very observant. I I mean, I'm always telling myself, like, and I think it's the hardest practice in the world to like deeply listen with presence and like catch things like that. It can it can shift so much to say that and really have someone notice. And then at the end of the session, she's like, Do you think you can help me? He's like, I don't know. Do you think you can help yourself? And and then she keeps trying to get the session going, and he's just like, Sounds like a good thing for us to talk about next week. Well, we'll have to wrap up now, but I think that's something we should come back to next week. And I'm like, Man, I really should be like that. Like sometimes I feel like I'll be talking as we walk toward the door for myself, and my own weird wrapping up, you know, like OCD a little bit. And I do like when therapy scenes, like I actually learn something from them in a movie, but you know, I do totally forgive shrinking, it's like more top-level version because it is a comedy, it is, no, and I don't I think we're I think we both like the show. Yeah, yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

I've grown to sometimes pick it apart because we like it, yeah. Not because we're picking it apart.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

Yeah. Why do you think they don't have Jimmy in his own therapy?

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Because he's trying to get his therapy from his co-workers.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Like maybe that'll be a plot line at some point.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

He definitely should be in his own therapy, yeah. Especially for how much they've painted a picture of him hitting quote unquote rock bottom right in that first episode.

SPEAKER_00 34:53

Oh my god. Sounds like the last year was like snorting Adderall.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 34:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

And he's got prostitutes.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

Right.

SPEAKER_02 35:00

You know, or well, we don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, they don't call him that anymore.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

What did you say? Did they ask for money? He's like, not yet.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

Not yet. Um maybe they felt like that would be too chaotic in a half hour.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

Or packed. So it's like, let's have Paul kind of be his therapist.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

The Harrison Ford character. Yeah. Be a paternal, guiding, kind of light, overly rigid.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

Right.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

But even that where it's like, I feel like I've had really good supervisors over the years, not all of them, but a lot of them, who really make it a careful thing to separate, like, this isn't your therapy, this is your supervision. And then a therapist saying this isn't supervision, this is therapy. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like embarrassed if I bring up something with a case in my own therapy because I'm like, just curious. Or even if it contextualized something I'm going through, I'm like, I'm not trying to get supervision out of this. I understand this is my own therapy and I have to be vulnerable. But yeah, it's like maybe I'm over separating those in this in the context of a show. You're getting the same thing from hair support.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

I think hair support's gotta be kind of all of it, maybe for him.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

Yeah. I want one of them to go to therapy and them to show it at some point. That's my note. My other note was like, I was annoyed. I was annoyed that the wife died in a car accident. I think they could have been more nuanced with that. I don't know. I think there could be something more complex. Because so many shows. I and this book bothered me about the pilot. It's like, you know, wife is like so cute, and they're like always tickling each other and laughing, and they have the most charming, cute relationship. And then bam, she's dead. There was one scene. You know, like I wish it was like a relationship that deteriorated or something. Like, I just think that oh really, yeah. I I was wanting that. I was a little like, let me guess, car accident. She was perfect and beautiful to the second she died.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

Like, oh, I see.

SPEAKER_00 36:50

You know, like that. I just was like, that of course that happens, of course. And it's like we've seen it in so many shows.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

I don't well, maybe. I mean, didn't he say something? The last conversation we had was a fight.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

So maybe it was I mean, maybe they're gonna unfold more of what the relationship really was like, and maybe it wasn't so per picture perfect, picture perfect. I mean, I get the idea of like boom, she was just here one day, go on the next. Yeah, maybe they will show more of the struggle that they were having. I don't know. Totally, but I think that would be interesting to be shown in his own therapy because maybe in his grief he's so wrapped up in all of the positives, and not to say that it's you know, the negatives help soothe the grief, but also like let's grieve the whole person and the whole relationship and everything that was encapsulated in it. I don't know, that could be also be a way they could look at it, but they I mean it was cute when they were tickling each other. There's nothing wrong with tickles.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

The song playing over top of it.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

Which was what was it?

SPEAKER_00 37:56

I don't even it was like Randy Newman or something.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

I was like, what's

Notes On Intros Music And Hats

SPEAKER_02 38:01

the opening song? Is it a deathcab song?

SPEAKER_00 38:03

It's Ben Gibbber. It is Ben Gibbs.

SPEAKER_02 38:06

I don't like any um I'm not a big fan of Death Cab post. I think I've mentioned this before. Yeah. Uh Chris Walla when he left.

SPEAKER_00 38:14

Oh, right. You did mention this, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

I just don't really get into it.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Yeah. Yeah, I I thought it was kind of cheesy, the the theme song.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

I skipped the intro right away.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

And also like the maze, like, I don't know, that was like a little cheesy too, the imagery.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

Like it's a brain, but it's like a maze. I guess, yeah. Well, that's what it is. It's not, I guess, but it's yeah, it's a it's a brain, but it looks like a maze.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

We're so complicated.

SPEAKER_00 38:38

Yeah. Is that I don't know. Is that what it is? Like, there were parts like that where I was like, I this is me now in a writer's room just giving notes. Like give notes. I not even as a therapist, just being like, this isn't as entertaining. And I think these days I like shows that go a little further. But I do think the Parkinson's is that because he's living with Parkinson's in management.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

I think that's I'm I hate to say excited. I that's not the right word. I'm definitely intrigued. What do you think of his fedora hat when he's sitting on the benches with the daughter?

SPEAKER_00 39:06

I mean, I was like, who on earth?

SPEAKER_02 39:09

Why did they put him in a hat?

SPEAKER_00 39:10

To like keep a disguise so chicken.

SPEAKER_02 39:12

Now we talk about nitpicky. That's one of the most nitpicky things.

SPEAKER_00 39:15

I mean, isn't it kind of like a tiny little hat?

SPEAKER_02 39:17

Is it a fedora? I don't even know. It's a fedora, I think. It's tough. Because he's wearing the exact same clothing he's wearing in every other scene. Plus hat. Plus a fedora.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

I mean, it's bad, bad, bad. And it's white.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

It's like a light colored one. White. Yeah. I don't really get it. It's it's always when he's on the bench with the daughter.

SPEAKER_00 39:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

Like, does he have to he must?

SPEAKER_00 39:40

Well, maybe that, but I think he's like disguising himself so Jimmy doesn't know he's meeting with her. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

Is that really what it is?

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Well, I know he is keeping those meetings hidden.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Give a note about that then. Yeah. Your disguise is a hat. Nobody's gonna recognize you because you're wearing it.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

And there's also like a tiny fedora that doesn't cover anything.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

Put on a mustache.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Put on sunglasses and a baseball hat.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

This is insane. Totally. Yeah. So I think people should give it a shot if they haven't already.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:05

Let us know what you think. What are we missing out of the first three episodes? Or what are you looking forward to?

SPEAKER_00 40:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:11

Are we overanalyzing it as therapists? I'm sure. Let it go.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

And it's kind of fun to overanalyze, you know. Everyone listening to a podcast. Stop.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

I just he's just that gravely. Like.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Do you think that's affected?

SPEAKER_02 40:28

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

There's so many voices. Oh my god, wait, this is short. I was watching this like a kind of dumb, like early 20s show called Off Campus that's on Amazon. Okay. It was like, it's basically like, you know, dating for people that are in college and like all these like dating dramas, and it's based on a book. That sounds familiar. I think I heard of the book, yeah. Yeah. So I'm watching it. So many of the actors, especially the male actors, but some of the female actors too. Like, I'm like, are these their real voices? Like the men, what the main guy. He's a game. Where you're like, what? It's like he covers his mouth mostly. Oh, weird. And it's like, I wish I could think of something he says. Cause I'm like, it doesn't feel like any of this is natural.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

Like, I actually think that's what Harrison Ford sounds like.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

You do.

SPEAKER_02 41:19

Okay. You think it's real? Kind of.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

Yeah, maybe it is. He just has a gravelly voice.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

And he does a lot of like the like noises. Right. Where it's not really talking, but it's just almost disdain for everyone.

SPEAKER_00 41:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

And everything. Yeah. What do you think? Sorry,

The 15-Minute Grief Timer Debate

SPEAKER_02 41:39

we gotta get back. What do you think of the 15-minute advice for grieving that he gives?

SPEAKER_00 41:44

I mean, it was a little pat for something that that is so unbelievably individual and like almost like mystical. Like, how does one grieve? I thought the show was gonna comment on how silly that was. And then I'm like, oh, the show actually likes this.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Seems like everybody's into it.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

Well, it sounds like it's his gateway into it. Right. A little bit. Yeah. People who are stuck.

SPEAKER_00 42:10

I like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

So the the advice for people who haven't watched was play what, your saddest song. Right. And give your put yours put a 15-minute timer on and just kind of let yourself really get in to the feelings and crying. And it yeah, it ends up kind of being funny, right? Because Jimmy does it and then is crying so much that he hits a car. Yeah. And then she's like, How are you already crying? You know, the accident just happened. He's like, No, I was crying before that happened. So the yeah. Well, okay, so you know what's some people, but don't you think some people need and want that easy? Where do I even start with this? And maybe that's what it was going for was I I don't even think I've started, you haven't started grieving yet. So just play the saddest song you know and just sit with sadness.

SPEAKER_00 43:02

And it's like I have such a different reaction to like if a client came to me and said, like, I tried this thing and it really helped. Or even if it didn't help, I'd be like, that's an amazing, like, creative idea to get yourself into like allowing feeling about this thing. That is to me very different than me being like, oh, you're struggling to grieve. Okay, grab a song and play it for 15 minutes. Like that would be such it's so insulting.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Like it's almost like Harrison Ford waits for that moment to drop. He's a one-trick pony.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

I totally gets his like it felt a little like a trick, and it's like grief. There's no trick for grief. Give yourself 15 minutes. Yeah, the saddest song. And like when is his doctor?

SPEAKER_02 43:46

What's his song that he plays? See, I was watching it on my phone, so it was hard for me. I wish I would have had my uh AirPods in, because I feel like I was missing the songs that were being played. What's his sad song?

SPEAKER_00 43:57

I don't know what his song was.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Probably Love Me Tender. Yeah, something. I gotta look that up. What was his sad song?

SPEAKER_00 44:05

Yeah. And like his doctor was like, How is your mental health? He's like, you know, I'm grieving. You know, I give myself my time. I put on the song and like.

SPEAKER_02 44:15

And then I get on with my life. Or whatever it is. Yeah, it's like a hero. So he kept saying, like a hero.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

Yeah. Yeah. It's sort of like, okay. It was a little bit like I've locked down grief. You know, I was just like, I was really curious where the show was gonna take it. I'm like, well, they're gonna make fun of this. And then they kind of didn't, so I was like, but I hear you. Where I'm like, you know what? Like, I actually would never condemn that practice itself, but the idea that it's gonna capture all of one's grief, yeah, is like so silly. But right, but yeah, and hey, maybe someone will watch that show and like try that and love it.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

Yeah, and God bless. And maybe people their takeaway from it is that therapists are worse than we are, yeah as patients. They're actually which you know I'm not saying that's not true. I it would be a takeaway.

SPEAKER_00 45:08

Totally, they're struggling way more than we are, or like resistant about their own advice and like own kind of like guidance, and yeah, which of course totally okay. Well, that's our shrinking discussion.

SPEAKER_01 45:22

Blues run the game by Simon and Garfunkel. Oh, that was his sandwich. Well, of course, Simon and Garfunkel. It's actually a 1965 studio outtake. Wow. A little pretentious.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

I like that. Yeah, who's the music supervisor?

SPEAKER_01 45:38

Guess it's not me.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

That's a deep cut. Yeah, you're not a big Simon and Garfunkel guy.

SPEAKER_01 45:42

I'm a Simon and Simon guy, too. I mean, I'm not not. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not a bit. I mean, school me.

SPEAKER_02 45:50

Right now. I mean, what? Sing me all the songs.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

In unison.

SPEAKER_02 45:54

I'm a Simon Simon, just Simon guy.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:57

Slip sliding away. Slip sliding away. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

Codachrome.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

I had a dream that I didn't end up watching shrinking, and you guys are really mad at me.

SPEAKER_03 46:07

Oh my.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

It was like one of those dreams where you're like, no, I'm not prepared for the test. And I was like, no, I didn't, I ended up not watching it.

SPEAKER_03 46:16

Oh my god, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 46:17

You guys were like, what the fuck? Take it seriously.

SPEAKER_01 46:21

You're not fucking taking this seriously. And then your teeth fell out. We're fucking gonna make money, but not because of you.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

Asshole. I love it. Alright, so now we're transitioning from shrinking into our how wise

How Wise Is Expensive Home Audio

SPEAKER_02 46:38

is a question. So our how wise is a question is how wise is it to invest a lot of money into your home audio equipment? Yeah. I and the reason I came up with this was I actually glanced over here and I noticed your sound bar. Yes. Which is very affordable, really helps with sound. Yeah. And I think it's a very sound, no pun intended investment.

SPEAKER_00 47:06

Wow. Now that was a gift, that, so I don't know how much they run.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

I mean, as with anything, there's a range, but you could probably get it for a hundred bucks.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:18

Definitely under 200.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 47:20

I remember the reason also too I thought of this is I remember a time in my life where I thought, man, I need to invest a lot of money in my home audio. Like I I need at least 5.1 maybe 7.1. I need to get clip speakers. I need to get for some reason I was really fixated on sound. Yeah for a while.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

Sonos.

SPEAKER_02 47:45

Something. Something. Just anything that was expensive. Yeah. Girwin Vega, like anything.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

Yeah, like I've definitely I I've never had the thought of like I need to do that, but I've definitely, if I've gone to someone's home and they have like a whole system that runs through the house, I'm like, so cool. Dice. Right? And then on the patio too. Yeah. Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 48:04

And it's like, oh, you can have it on upstairs, downstairs. It's like, ooh.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

Yeah. But it's gotta be the kind where you kind of wave your hand and it's on. Yeah. It cannot be the kind where like your dad's like fumbling with it for two hours. Like that I don't like. It's gotta be. I'm I guess I'm realizing as I'm saying this, I'm more into the like sexy, like suddenly music's on, rather than like audio quality. Qual yeah, yeah. I don't notice bad audio quality until it's really bad.

SPEAKER_02 48:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

Because like when when we didn't have that sound bar and we would watch TV here, Josh and like each member of his family that watched TV here would be like, Oh my god, we need that soundbar. You can't hear anything. And I was like, Oh, I feel like I can hear it fine.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:50

But maybe I've also been like slumming it with never having a sound bar. So I think I was used to it. Yeah. Because I don't think my in my family we ever I don't I don't think anyone in my family has a sound bar. Yeah. I don't think.

SPEAKER_02 49:03

My family does. I mean, I just remember, especially when I got to college, being like, ooh, like there was some speaker game going on. And this was pre-Bluetooth, so what is Bluetooth? Your receiver, your CD setup, your speakers, that was like a big deal.

SPEAKER_00 49:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

Um, and I just remember being like, Well, I got out my speaker game here. Yeah. You know, I need it to be louder, more crisp. Yeah. Those types of things. Uh, what do you mean? What is Bluetooth?

SPEAKER_00 49:33

Like it's it's like wireless. Yeah, it's just wireless. Just wireless. Okay. You know, it's like Bluetooth, blue.

SPEAKER_02 49:40

So I think that's actually what changed it for me. How I I actually don't think it's that wise anymore, given you can just be connected anywhere in your home with it, and you can get such quality speakers that are small that really fill a space. Yeah. You don't need the stacks, you know, that are huge and and they just take up room.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

Oh no. Yeah. Those nothing.

SPEAKER_02 50:04

For me, it's not wise. I think it takes up too much space. Yeah. It it and how much are you really gonna sound quality? Is I mean, uh, probably the audiophiles are gonna comment on this now, but they're gonna come for you.

SPEAKER_00 50:16

They'll be in your own.

SPEAKER_02 50:17

Yeah, they're like gonna come for me. Absolutely. But it's like I have a great soundbar, one speaker upstairs, one speaker downstairs that will totally fill the room.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

That it's like it does the trick.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

Absolutely. Yeah, but there was a time when I thought that was really important.

SPEAKER_00 50:31

Yeah. I mean, I'm the person who used to just like play music off my phone, which is like so I I almost have to like recuse myself from this conversation. Like, I'm I've sinned.

SPEAKER_02 50:40

Well, and then there's the are you an AirPod person or somebody who wants the the cans?

SPEAKER_00 50:45

I think the cans look cool.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

The cans are comfortable for me. I don't really like the pods.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

What are they called? Airpods.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

I like AirPods and I have them and I use them, but I would rather have What are they called again?

SPEAKER_00 50:56

Air Pros or Air.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

Oh, I don't have those Apple ones. I have like Sony ones, but Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

What are the Airstream Air?

SPEAKER_02 51:03

I don't know. It's in the AirStream. It's in the Air. They're not AirPods. But you hear about Beats headphones like that as well. I'm not sure what the Apple ones are.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

They they have a name that's so similar to AirPod, but it's like AirWod.

SPEAKER_01 51:16

An iPod? Or is it isn't an iSod something? Banana?

SPEAKER_00 51:22

IZod is like a clothing company.

SPEAKER_01 51:24

So you wouldn't invest a lot of money on it. Wait, they are called AirPods.

SPEAKER_02 51:27

You're moving into a AirPods Max. AirPods Max. That's what they're called.

SPEAKER_00 51:30

Yeah, we're moving into a new home.

SPEAKER_02 51:32

And you're not thinking, I wonder if we're gonna have enough speaker. I mean, Josh will handle all of that for sure.

SPEAKER_00 51:39

He'll take care of it so much better than even at my best day, I could. Right?

SPEAKER_01 51:44

Take care of the speaker?

SPEAKER_00 51:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

We just have our little speaker. What is that? Like a bows. The bows from like eight years old. It's great. A bow, yeah, it's pretty afraid. But it sounds it sounds amazing. But it gets kind of scary.

SPEAKER_00 51:58

Bose are great. Yeah. Bose is great. Sonos is pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

Sonos is good. I really like Clipsh speakers on this one. Yeah. K-L-I-P. S. C-H. C-H-E, maybe. Mm-hmm. Love it. Scandinavian. I really like those. Uh I don't think so. That was a guess.

SPEAKER_00 52:20

Took a stab.

SPEAKER_02 52:21

Took a stab at it. They might be. That might be the origin story. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:25

I think that speaker is a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 52:26

Even Marshall makes home speakers now. Like Marshall Amps.

SPEAKER_00 52:30

Oh wow. That would look kind of cool in your home.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

JBL is another one that will make speakers. So.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

Josh Bear Lawrence.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

Josh Bear Lawrence. Sure, we live on Lawrence. So not wise.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

Not why. To me, no. Not wise. No. I I think, like, yeah, your your baby speakers in 2026 are pretty damn good to my ears. I'm not going to really notice the difference. But I do think there are audiophiles who really do notice. Do you notice?

SPEAKER_01 52:56

To an extent.

SPEAKER_00 52:57

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:58

What if you notice? Like, I'm not listening on my phone. I mean, it's not like I'll never listen on my phone, but if we didn't, like, let's say we didn't have speakers, yeah. I'm not happy.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

There was no.

SPEAKER_01 53:07

And surround sound would be cool. Like, we don't have that now. I see a benefit to that of having it where everyone can hear it in the whole house because instead of like blasting a speaker and then most people can't hear it.

SPEAKER_02 53:18

Would you my parents had this for a while? I don't think they have it anymore because they got the sound bar. They used to have, I think it was 5.1. So they used to have like if you were to look at the end of your couch over here, like a small square like cube one on a stand. So when you were sitting there, you would actually get different, almost like different audio. It would freak me the hell out when you were watching like a scary or a thriller movie.

SPEAKER_00 53:45

So cool.

SPEAKER_02 53:45

Um so that was a cool experience. I don't know if I would invest in that, but yeah, it does kind of heighten it sensory-wise a little bit. Yeah. But but you need the sound bar at least at the very I at least need the sound bar.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

I think I like mid. I agree with that. I like not the cheapest thing and not the most expensive thing. I don't care about the optics. You're right. But yeah, I feel like I feel like all my audio stuff is between like 100 and like 200 or 250.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

And you can get such great audio stuff in that range anyway.

SPEAKER_01 54:17

Yeah, that's not you could get cheaper than that, but you could get more expensive than that.

SPEAKER_02 54:21

Oh, sky's the limit when it comes to audio stuff.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

Yeah, for high and low.

SPEAKER_00 54:25

Yeah, how much is it to get like Sonos like wired in your home?

SPEAKER_02 54:29

Oh, actually in your home? Yeah. But you're talking like you got a speaker like where that is right there. Yeah, and there's like a button on the wall and it's in there. Like I don't know. Thousands upon thousands of dollars. Yeah. To have somebody come in and wire all that for sure.

SPEAKER_00 54:43

My dad told me a story, like he has a friend who's also a lawyer who is kind of like a whatever, like, spends a lot on stuff like that. And he had like recommended this guy to come and like wire, and my dad has not moved recently, but like his old house, like, wire it for like maybe music and TV and all these things. And the guy like went as far as to come by the house and he said it would be fifteen thousand dollars. My dad was like, I'm not doing that. Wow, and he was like, Can you believe that? And I was like, Whoa, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 55:16

I mean, depending on how many rooms you have, yeah. Right, all the drywall you gotta cut into top. That is a project, right? You've got to be so into that, or just like it is pretty sweet though when you walk into somebody's house. Yeah, Wes has a friend whose parents threw a party one time. I've been over there, but that this was the one time that I went over there and it was like, oh, okay, so the upstairs has like different music than like the downside. It was like cool, you know. Yeah, that was neat. That's very cool. How cool is it?

SPEAKER_00 55:50

Yeah, it's almost like it's wise to like find someone who has that and just like go enjoy it.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

And just revel in it.

SPEAKER_00 55:55

Invite yourself over, revel in it, kind of make a friend, and yeah, like enjoy their investment.

SPEAKER_02 56:01

Totally. It's cool that it can be done.

SPEAKER_00 56:03

It's cool that it can be done.

SPEAKER_02 56:04

It's not for us to do it.

SPEAKER_00 56:05

And if you love it, go off, do it.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

If you love it, do it.

SPEAKER_00 56:08

Yeah, go into debt.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

We'll we'll stick with our sound bars and our small sweepers.

SPEAKER_00 56:14

Exactly. You know what I need? This is another like related thing. Uh this TV feels like it's too dark.

SPEAKER_01 56:20

Um is that a thing? Can't we just turn up the brightness? You could do the settings.

SPEAKER_00 56:25

Yes, okay. I'm doing that afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 56:27

Vivid, sports, movie.

SPEAKER_00 56:29

Vivid. Is sports really bright?

SPEAKER_02 56:32

Well, it is brighter, and I think it's supposed to be a setting that helps if you have like really rapid movements so you don't have any ghosting.

SPEAKER_03 56:39

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

You know, like sometimes if a ball's moving really quickly, like it's almost like there's a little bit of a ghosting effect to it.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

Which in a movie that looks good. Movie's a different setting. Because sometimes I think the sports setting will be on the movies, and then it like they almost look mechanical.

SPEAKER_02 56:53

Sometimes the movie setting makes it almost look a little bit like yellow. There's almost like a different tint to it. Right. Um, and it looks a little washed out sometimes. But yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

I'm gonna play around with it. Play with her. This has been helpful, hugely helpful.

SPEAKER_01 57:08

So we're searching to sports.

SPEAKER_02 57:09

So we're switching to role. I thought there might be some ghosts. Yeah. Definitely ghosts.

Emails Recommendations And Sign-Off

SPEAKER_02 57:13

All right. Well, you can find me, email me about shrinking or audio equipment. I'm open to it all. But sputz.jonathan at gmail.com. What about you?

SPEAKER_00 57:22

Yeah, you can reach me um if you want to work with me, you want to ask questions, or talk about shrinking or anything like that, or recommend stuff for us to watch next. Um, you can find me at kkpsychsotherapy.com. Josh. Josh.

SPEAKER_01 57:36

I'm gonna shout out two albums. Um again, my hair isn't.

SPEAKER_02 57:42

My new band, Believe. Have you listened to that? Have you listened to that, Josh? I have.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

What did you think?

SPEAKER_02 57:46

I liked it.

SPEAKER_01 57:47

It's did you think it was a little like lame musical theater.

SPEAKER_02 57:51

100%. Sarah was like, is this a musical? And I was like, no, but I was kind of into it a little bit. It also had a little Beatles vibe uh to some of the songs. It doesn't everything. And they have a musical vibe sometimes. Isn't it a like the bassist from Black Meat? Meaty. Meaty or something?

SPEAKER_01 58:08

Yeah, Black Midi.

SPEAKER_02 58:09

Black MIDI. Same Midi MIDI, meaty, meaty. Same band as local Jordy Green. Um anyway, so yeah, it is a little bit musical, but I was I was down for it over the weekend. It's in my top four right now. Ooh, top four.

SPEAKER_01 58:21

Number four. Uh so I'm gonna shout out experimental rap by JPEG Mafia. People are hating this.

SPEAKER_02 58:27

So so I love it.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

So I now love it more. Uh I'm rocking a JPEG Mafia shirt, not now, but I own one. And um, yeah, it's like rage rap. Listen, if you don't, if you know him, you're gonna listen to it. Uh he has some like questionable lyrics. He collaborated with Kanye.

SPEAKER_00 58:48

Which he feels empathy.

SPEAKER_01 58:50

He doesn't Kanye was his musical hero. He doesn't support Kanye's politics, but he's he's a he's a war veteran. His first album's called Veteran, JPEG Mafia. JPEG Mach. He has a lot of trauma.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

Mafia.

SPEAKER_01 59:03

And I think he's dealing with it. He's kind of like a little bit MM y, but I don't think we see nuance as much now. So Yeah. I've you saw him live with me. He seems like a sweetheart.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Yeah, I live. I actually loved it.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

Yeah. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

And he's kind of a little bit genderque.

SPEAKER_01 59:19

I don't know that he actually but he is with his persona. His persona.

SPEAKER_00 59:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

Yeah. Literally every song on the album is about how he's gonna steal uh your girl. Right. Among other things.

SPEAKER_00 59:31

But he also does the femme essence that he presents with.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

Anyway, we're splitting time here. Uh I also need to shout out the new um uh Ed O'Brien album, Blue Morpho. And he's is he's in Radiohead. Oh, cool. Is he the guitarist or the bassist? He's just not Tom York. He's not Tom York. He's um a a member.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

It's like, does anyone know the other member?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

He's the he's the guitarist, uh, the other guitarist. They have three guitarists.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:05

But yeah, it's a solo out, and I was kind of like, whatever. Uh and I just couldn't stop listening to it today. It's got a mystical quality. Nice. It honestly sounds a lot like Radiohead. Now I'm gonna play it for your and you're like, this doesn't sound like Radiohead.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:18

Can you grieve to it?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:19

I don't can I grieve to it or can I groove to it?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:21

Grieve.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:22

Both.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:22

Ooh, put it on for 15 minutes and groove. Groovy grieve time. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:27

Check it out. There's one fancy song. And some of it's basically instrumental. It's got sweeping strings.

unknown 1:00:36

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:37

Anyway, Josh Bayerfilms.com, B-A-Y-E-R, Bear is in the ass, friend, and I will edit literally anything you want with everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:45

Okay. Amazing, and thank you to Blank Itforwards.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:48

Thank you to Blank Itforwards, and we will see you all next week.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

Next week.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:53

Bye-bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:56

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