The Wise Mind Happy Hour
Two therapists musing about the idea of an inner wise mind and how to connect with this psychic space in different contexts.
The Wise Mind Happy Hour
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Love doesn’t fail loudly most of the time. It fails quietly, in the space between what we meant and what our partner actually felt. Where do you land on love languages and top sheets?
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Welcome And Quick Life Updates
SPEAKER_02Welcome to the Wise Mike Happy Hour. I'm Kelly.
SPEAKER_04And I'm John.
SPEAKER_02Welcome everyone to this. To this To this five.
SPEAKER_04To this episode. Episode number 1000. No. Where are we at?
SPEAKER_02Wouldn't that be cool? We're in the 80s, right?
SPEAKER_0490s? We're like 86. That's pretty incredible.
SPEAKER_02That's pretty incredible. Wow.
SPEAKER_0486.
SPEAKER_02Can't wait till we get to 100.
SPEAKER_04And you and I can't even claim all those because you and Josh have been around. Yeah, you've done a few on your own. Totally. Wow. But really you've put some of them.
SPEAKER_02I know that is huge.
A 1920s Murder Mystery Night
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well, what's what's new with you on this 80s something?
SPEAKER_04A lot is new.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, tell us.
SPEAKER_04Well, Friday I went to a murder mystery.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's right. I forgot you mentioned that.
SPEAKER_04I think I mentioned to you both off camera. Never been to one before, and I had an absolute blast.
SPEAKER_00Oh.
SPEAKER_04It was so fun.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_04Theme was 1920s. Okay. You are emailed your character. Wow, ahead of time. Ahead of time. So you read the backstory, which I did weeks before the party, and then I didn't do it until we were in the elevator about to go into the party. So wasn't that prepared. But our hosts, Andy and Maris, their whole place was decked out in 1920 stuff. They replaced their kids' pictures with mugshots of gangsters and Al Capone. And so you get there and we were all mingling, everybody dressed up. It was so awesome. People in flapper dresses and whatnot. So everybody comes in, you get your name tag with your character on it. And then after everybody mingles a little bit, you get another envelope with information in it, and it coaches you through how to interact with people. So if people ask you certain questions about looking for information about uh another character, or it kind of tells you don't give them information. You're also given money, you can bribe people for information. So there's different ways to quote unquote win. You can figure out who the murderer is, you can also have the most money at the end. Real money. There was no not real money. Oh it would be cool if it was, though. Um so it was all fake. And then the murder happens, um, and the body's found. And our host Andy, who was the owner of the gin joint, quote unquote, he mur was murdered. So then he turned into the investigator. Okay. And it was just, yeah, not to bore people with details, but it was just so much fun. And so you get like more information, you try to figure it out, and everybody's just talking to people and getting into character. Just it was a riot. It was so funny.
SPEAKER_02How do you learn that the guy got murdered? Like, how does the room learn that?
SPEAKER_04So the room is just kind of mingling at the beginning, and then they brought out a Bluetooth speaker, and all of a sudden you hear gunshots, and they throw this plastic sheet on the floor that has a chalk outline, and you know, it's it's really hilarious.
SPEAKER_02And then how does the person who gets murdered know they're gonna be murdered?
SPEAKER_04So do they we did not know who was gonna be murdered, but because Andy was hosting the party with Maris, I think they knew. Okay, and then Andy could switch characters and be the investigator. Yes, and then the person who is the murderer finds that out when they arrive, but you can't like tell anybody. Um but it still gives you instructions on how to interact with people.
SPEAKER_02So wow, I love that. That's so fun. People got into it.
SPEAKER_04Oh, people got into it. Wow, it was great. People had facial hair, wigs.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it'd be cool to do like an 80s version. I know, I was thinking the same thing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, everybody comes in with acid washed jeans and yeah, crazy tall hair.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and you put in like a cassette tape and like it's hip to be sort of or yeah, people come in with shoulder pads and Sally, Jesse, Raphael, like oh my god, that'd be so cool.
SPEAKER_04Any time period. I think it's fun to dress up in a time period, yeah. It is, is what I'm realizing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, in college we did a lot of 70s parties, which is fun too, which is really
School Starts And Homework Philosophy
SPEAKER_02fun, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that is a and then school started Wow on Thursday, Monday, Monday.
SPEAKER_02Oh, they started on a Monday, yeah. That's kind of rough, rough. I would want to start like half week.
SPEAKER_04Rough.
SPEAKER_02They are I know they had like there was talk about like some radical changes to the homework of it all globally.
SPEAKER_04I don't know if that's coming down the pipeline for my kids. I know.
SPEAKER_02I I don't know what's coming down the pipeline for anyone. I think it's just been like discourse about like kids get too much homework these days and they should just kind of be able to leave school and be done.
SPEAKER_04I mean, when my kids were in kindergarten, they had some homework to do. Not that it was that difficult. I remember talking to a family that was at a different school, and their kindergartner, the homework was every day go home and be with your family.
SPEAKER_00Oh, cute.
SPEAKER_04So there wasn't, you know, which I kind of appreciated that idea. Yeah. Really making an emphasis early on that when you're at school, focus and everything, go home. You should have a home life. Yeah, you know. So I like that foundation. What about
New Chairs And Surviving IKEA
SPEAKER_04you all? What have you all been doing?
SPEAKER_02I know. I'm like, I was like trying to think of what we've been doing.
SPEAKER_04A lot of cool stuff without me.
SPEAKER_02Well, we put together these chairs behind me.
SPEAKER_04These are nice chairs. This is the first thing I noticed when I walked in.
SPEAKER_02I know, aren't they fun?
SPEAKER_04They're fun and they are Kelly Green.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, literally.
SPEAKER_04Now, would that have swayed you in a different direction if they weren't Kelly Green? Like, did Kelly Green you really wanted that because you're Irish?
SPEAKER_02No, it didn't have to do with me being being Irish. And your name's Kelly? Didn't have to do with me being Irish. I think green is a nice compliment to the other colors in this apartment. So I think that swayed me more. But if those were like red, I mean honestly, I might like them even more.
SPEAKER_04Are you an Irish person that really gravitates towards green?
SPEAKER_02No. I mean, although sometimes I do say green is my favorite color, but I think of that a little more like the earth. Like I like earthy tones, earth tones. And I feel like green is like earth. Green and brown and tan, I like. Definitely. Yeah. I don't associate it with being Irish. Well, I do. But I I kind of feel like a lot of people in this country that are like really obsessed with being Irish are like I have actual like Irish relatives like in Ireland that I'm in contact with, so I don't feel this need to like be Irish American. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04You don't feel a need to constantly be telling people you're Irish. No, people really put on the Irishness when they're not that Irish.
SPEAKER_02I kind of think it's it's an overcompensation.
SPEAKER_04Totally, totally. Whereas you're the true blue, so you're like, why would I flaunt that? Yeah, I just know that I'm Irish.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Interesting.
SPEAKER_02I don't feel that. What do you think, Josh?
SPEAKER_03It doesn't get more Irish than you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I guess not.
SPEAKER_03Slam and Guinness every night. Slam and Guinness every night. You're dancing with the leprechauns.
SPEAKER_04I mean, I've known some Irish people in my day, and you're pretty Irish.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm like, yeah.
SPEAKER_04But I do like these chairs. Back to the chairs.
SPEAKER_02Back to the chairs, we love the chairs. But honestly.
SPEAKER_04I thought you got them in an antique shop.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's meaningful.
SPEAKER_04That is meaningful. So remember the episode a couple of times ago where you said you wanted somebody to walk into your space and just think it was cool. Yeah, yeah. I had that reaction. You just weren't here for it. That was the first thing I said. I was like, do you guys go get these at an antique?
SPEAKER_02Oh, actually from IKEA. That's what I heard. It's cool. We we actually were in IKEA and we were looking at all the chairs, and there were these little kids like playing around in the chairs, and a little girl was like setting her brother down in the chair and like pushing his back into it. And I was like, And then pushing his face into a pillow. But we were like looking because we were watching these kids, and then we're like looking at the chairs, and like this, we've gotta get this damn chair.
SPEAKER_04Well, I think it's the metal.
SPEAKER_02The metal is cool.
SPEAKER_04I mean, certainly the way the cushions are designed, it makes me think that. But yeah, chairs that have that, you know, the metal, the metallic make me think of more of an antique thing. And also, I haven't been in an IKEA. I thought everything was wood.
unknownNo.
SPEAKER_04I mean, I haven't been in one in a long time.
SPEAKER_02I will say, like, it's stressful going in there because they have their whole system of checkout that like I is foreign to me.
SPEAKER_04I, you know, I remember it being stressful.
SPEAKER_02It's like this one you check out at this desk, this one you just take home and you click the button on your phone or something. And then this one, I'm like, three different items and three different ways to check out. That's and then we had carried this shoe rack to the front. And the woman's like, kind of like, what are you doing with that shoe rack? And I was like, Oh, we're buying this. And they're like, No, no, no. Like, that was like the display, apparently. And we were supposed to like remember the code and bring it down. But then other things you can take.
SPEAKER_04Like, was there a little slip of paper that had a order code? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean, there was no one really telling us what to do. So, did you get any meatballs? We did, yeah. We actually did. They're fine. Okay. I mean, I think Swedish meatballs are good, but I think they're kind of like churning them out there.
SPEAKER_03They were also really speaking the orders quietly.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, yeah, there was like a hundred people in the guy was like, number 32, you know, where you're like, who's gonna hear that? Like, this is like Kia, you gotta project. Speak up, buddy.
SPEAKER_04They've been eating a little bit too much Lingonberry Jam. Have you all seen that movie 500 Days of Summer? I love that movie, yeah. Totally. Isn't there a scene where they're in an IKEA together?
SPEAKER_02It's like something like it must be IKEA or like a home goods store. Yeah. That was like Joseph Gordon Lovitt's like comeback.
SPEAKER_04Soon after that, he was in Inception. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02He was in that one with Bruce Willis that I was in.
SPEAKER_04That one. He was in the one where he had cancer too.
SPEAKER_02Yes, 50-50.
SPEAKER_0450-50 with Seth Rogan.
SPEAKER_02That movie, even hearing about that movie makes me think I have cancer. Because it's like he just had like back pain.
SPEAKER_04I don't it definitely a movie I didn't need to see again.
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_04One time. Who's the therapist or the doctor in that movie? Is that anybody famous?
SPEAKER_02I cannot remember.
SPEAKER_04She was someone I think it dissociated from them, but we could look it up. No, we don't have to look that up. Let's not talk about it more. Well, I love I love the chairs.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, putting them together was we messed it up so bad. You know, putting furniture together, it's like a real test of your relationship a bit. Wait, are we getting back to that complex task question? Yeah, I mean, basically. Josh was like, I'll put these together, like, I'm gonna go upstairs, put some music on, put these together. And then he came down like extremely frustrated. Right.
SPEAKER_04Sweating.
SPEAKER_02Is it because literally sweat, glistening sweat?
SPEAKER_04Because IKEA is only picture instructions, right? There's no words.
SPEAKER_02They're crazy. Yeah, there's no words.
SPEAKER_04There's no words.
SPEAKER_02And the gestures are like, what is this gesture?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's a gestured hero type.
SPEAKER_02This guy's like pushing down the thing. You're like, what is he even holding?
SPEAKER_04He's doing chest compressions on the person he was building the furniture with.
SPEAKER_02I mean, yeah, it was crazy.
SPEAKER_04I really panic pretty quickly when I see instruction manuals.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Especially for board games or any type of games. Oh, tell me about it. I regress very quickly into I don't know words.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I don't know what that is, but furniture is kind of the same where I really need to like take a step back and be like, okay, calm down. You haven't even started a thing yet. Yeah, yeah. Because you take out all of the screws and the bolts and the nuts, and you're like, there's no way.
SPEAKER_02I mean, you're literally like, I'm supposed to organize all these together in there. There's no way. Well, Joshua, like, you're it's like a strength, and sometimes it gets in your way that you'll like dive right in and start going.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But then sometimes you have the hot spa. I've got the hut spa you definitely.
SPEAKER_03Everything I build, I do something wrong.
SPEAKER_02Well, and then I'll come up and read the directions.
SPEAKER_03I think that's the human experience. I'm reading the directions, I'm reading them wrong. There's nothing to read, their picture has.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you're just like in separate. I'm viewing pictures of what I should be doing. It's hard. Oh god, yeah. Because they used to put words in them, but maybe that was like hard because I couldn't put them in every language and the universal language of pictures. Yeah. So so like we got there, but like we spent so much more of the weekend putting those together than we had planned. Well, listen, they look great. Okay, good.
SPEAKER_04Did you sit in them right after you put them together?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I did. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, this is a great place to read a book.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Have your morning coffee. It's like if we if we had like a accorded phone, you'd put like maybe a phone right there. A tin can would work really well. You could move that right over here, that little little
Kids Learning To Talk By Phone
SPEAKER_04table.
SPEAKER_02Speaking of the tin can, my niece has got a tin can.
SPEAKER_04Amazing.
SPEAKER_02Which is amazing.
SPEAKER_04What if we just had them give each other my kids and your nieces and just had them start talking to each other?
SPEAKER_02Well, my nieces don't really know how to talk on the phone. Do your boys know how to talk on the phone?
SPEAKER_04They're they've gotten much better. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Because my nieces they just kind of sit there on the phone and they're like, hi.
SPEAKER_04And this is the whole, I think, benefit of having the tin can is that they're learning how to socialize without something in front of their face. Yeah. Like a phone or making like funny pictures on an iPhone. So it takes practice.
SPEAKER_02Totally.
SPEAKER_04And a lot of it is when my boys started on it, a lot of it was them giving one-word answers. Yes. Like people would call my parents or you know, other grandparents, Sarah's parents, and it would just be a lot of you'd hear, you know, I'd be in the kitchen and I'd hear Wes or Shane, and they'd be like, Yep. School. Yeah, yes. Sunny.
SPEAKER_02Like, yeah, they don't know how to yes at the time. They don't, yeah.
SPEAKER_04It's like, how's the weather there? And then it's like just sunny, which that is the answer to the question.
SPEAKER_02But it's not a conversation.
SPEAKER_04It's not really a conversation. And I think it's they've grown into that a lot where they're telling more about just kind of what's going on with them. So it's just a growth edge.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, maybe the girls they'll get more into it. I think they will. My middle niece, she talks in it like she's at the end of like a long tunnel. Like she's like, Kelly, is that you? Like she's like a confused kind of Where are you?
unknownWhere are you?
SPEAKER_04Wait, how old is she? She's four. How do they answer the phone? Okay. Sometimes, because that was the other thing. My kids would pick it up and not say anything. That's I that's what they do. And I was like, What is you have to understand that like somebody is calling you and you can't just pick it up and like the what are you doing? Totally. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02They yeah, they pick it up and it's just silent. And then I'll kind of be like, who goes there? Who goes there?
SPEAKER_04Hoy hoy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um, that so that's also a growth edge, is just knowing how to answer the phone. Yeah. But you gotta figure this is such a foreign, I mean, answering the phone is something you have to learn.
SPEAKER_02And like you have to learn how to have like chit chat. I think I'm I was saying to Josh, I'm like, when did I like stop just calling my friends to be like, Can you come over and play? And start like chat conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe junior high. I don't know. I probably saw it in a movie or something.
SPEAKER_04I think m one of my ins for phone usage was other than when you're growing up and you just answer the phone when it rings, was my parents maybe encouraging me if I didn't know the homework or if I didn't write it down to call a friend. Yeah. Like literally phone a friend and ask them. Because you're trying to empower your kids to be like, well, it's your homework, like figure it out. But and I think that maybe led into, oh, what are you? Did you do the homework yet? What are you doing? You know, it kind of led into a little bit more chit-chat. But the art of conversation, it is an art.
SPEAKER_02It's an art, totally.
SPEAKER_04And it's something that you have to learn.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04And some people never learn.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04Oh, God, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they're getting there. Actually, my littlest niece, we got a video of her like pretending to be a hairstylist, and she was like making conversation the way they make a conversation. That's great. She's like, What are you doing today? And my middle niece was like, uh oh, just getting a bunk bed because they're getting bunk beds.
SPEAKER_04Cool.
SPEAKER_02And she's like, A bunk bed? That's fun. I was like, oh my god, she's three.
SPEAKER_04That's right.
SPEAKER_02I'm like, she must have really studied the hairdresser.
SPEAKER_04That's cute.
SPEAKER_02A bunk bed, that's fun.
SPEAKER_04Tell me more.
SPEAKER_02The way they like taking interest in your life is so cute.
SPEAKER_04Bunk beds are fun.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I know I gotta see these bunk beds. They are they have not stopped talking about them.
SPEAKER_04Top bunk. Yeah. The oldest is on the top, right?
SPEAKER_02Yes. Circia is on the top. Yeah. And the youngest just moved out of her crib. Is that normal? Like at about three? Okay. Yeah. I have no idea. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Are they in like a toddler bed or something? Yeah. Yes. For sure.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. That's part of like it has like three layers, I think. This bunk bed for all three of them. They sleep in the same room.
SPEAKER_04So there's the bottom, the top, and then does one pull out almost like a trendle? Like a trundle?
SPEAKER_02Sorry.
SPEAKER_04Let's see.
SPEAKER_02Make sure we get that in the that's what I um asked. And they, you know, the way they explained it, I was extremely confused. Like, that's okay. I was like, is one a trundle bed? And Sears is like, no. They're all like beds. They're all beds. And I was like, Where'd you put the crib? The crib's still in the room. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna have to see it for my own eyes to like understand. Much like the tin can.
SPEAKER_04I think for a majority of my life, I thought and confused and conflated and used them interchangeably, trundle and murphy bed.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, a Murphy bed is so cool.
SPEAKER_04I think I just thought they were the same.
SPEAKER_02They have the same principle.
SPEAKER_04I used them as if they were the same. Yeah. It would be like, oh yeah, Murphy bed. And so it'd be like, that's a trundle bed. And I'd be like, right.
SPEAKER_02Oh, have you ever slept in a Murphy bed?
SPEAKER_04Ipso. I I don't know. I've never been anywhere that had a Murphy bed. Neither.
SPEAKER_02I really want to see one.
SPEAKER_04We should just make a furniture podcast. We talk about furniture. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay, should we get into our
What Are The Five Love Languages
SPEAKER_02topic?
SPEAKER_04Let's open the laptop. Let's do it. You know, love is in the air. I think. Is that what we're talking about?
SPEAKER_02Love is in the air because it's almost September?
SPEAKER_04Because it's the end of summer. No. So we're going to talk about the five love languages.
SPEAKER_02Yes, the love languages, kind of introduced by Gary Chapman.
SPEAKER_04Gary Chapman, 1992. So this was The Five Love Languages: How to Express Heartfelt Commitment to Your Mate. It's a 1992 nonfiction book by Baptist Pastor Gary Chapman. I knew it.
SPEAKER_02He's not a clinician, he's a pastor.
SPEAKER_04Talk about conflating something. Sometimes I think I go back and forth and thinking that this was like a Gottman thing.
SPEAKER_02Totally. Oh my God, absolutely. Chapman Gottman.
SPEAKER_04And it's not. Yeah. And also I think the Gottmans are kind of anti this, which Oh, I'd be curious to know about. Yeah, I think it's fair because, and we'll talk more about what this is. I don't think there's much empirical data and evidence, which I think that Gottmans try, from my understanding, to really observe and get qualitative backing behind what they observe in um relationships. So it doesn't necessarily surprise me if this person's coming up with this and there's not much scientific backing to it.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, yeah, it's more of a model.
SPEAKER_04Yes. So how would you describe the love languages?
SPEAKER_02I would describe the love languages as like there are the whole philosophy behind the love languages is, and there's five of them. At least there's five in the original. There are five, yes. Okay. Um there are these uh different languages that each member of a partnership speaks. Each person like is kind of fluent, you might say, or sometimes like bilingual in a way of speaking their love for the other person.
SPEAKER_04And also how they like to receive.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, how makes them feel loved, the language that makes them feel loved. And the reason to like even care about these, define them, is often people in relationships default to expressing love in the way they feel loved. And they may not always consider like, does my partner share my love language, or do I need to speak to them in a language that resonates more? In the language they speak, right? For them to actually feel loved. And they might have to speak a different language than theirs to me for me to feel loved. And then some couples, of course, kind of speak the same language, but that's like kind of rare.
SPEAKER_04Just because they like to receive it a certain way doesn't mean their partner likes to receive that language the same way, or it doesn't hit as much, maybe, right? Yeah, and it's very rare that uh probably all of us like these in different ways, right? Because who wouldn't want maybe all of these with their romantic partner to some extent?
SPEAKER_02I like the analogy of language, because like let's say two partners like each spoke three different languages, like there's gonna be one language they're gonna have most mastery over. Yeah, hear things best in, you know, like speak to them in their native language, basically. If you want your love to be really known by your partner, right? Yeah. So yeah, I mean, we can define each other.
SPEAKER_04We can define each, and the more I think about whenever love languages comes up, I kind of panic a little bit because I honestly don't know if I really have a firm grasp on what mine is.
SPEAKER_02And did you ever take the test?
SPEAKER_04I didn't take the test.
SPEAKER_02Um test will tell you, but maybe the test might tell you.
SPEAKER_04It'll tell you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm sure there's people that the test is like, you're gonna like all of them or something. When I took it, I was bilingual and it said with quality time and physical touch.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, well, let's start there, right? So um quality time is one of the love languages. So this is defined by showing love by giving undivided attention, engaging in meaningful conversations, and participating in various activities together. That's quality time, which doesn't surprise me about you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_04Um, and then physical touch, certainly showing love through physical gestures such as hugging, kissing, holding hands, and sex. There's words of affirmation, showing love through verbal appreciation, compliments, and encouragement. Gifts or gift giving, showing love through thoughtful and meaningful gifts that symbolize appreciation and affection. And then acts of service is the fifth one. Showing love by performing various tasks that are helpful and ease the partner's burdens. So I like to give that one. Acts of service. I was gonna guess that is something that I really try. And I think if I were maybe to guess now Sarah hasn't taken the test either, but I think probably that along with maybe words of affirmation would probably be maybe her top two. But I really like showing up for her and doing things for her.
SPEAKER_02And when she does that for you, does it feel good?
SPEAKER_04Sure. Yeah. Yeah. When we were at the murder mystery party, Sarah made it a point to sit next to me and be like, hey, we need to get a picture together. And we took like a selfie together. And that just really like lit me up and warmed my heart in that moment. What would that be? Is that like quality time?
SPEAKER_02It's almost quality time.
SPEAKER_04Like giving somebody like undivided attention. Like, I'm gonna take a break in this party.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And I want to savor this moment with you and like capture this moment. Because that was like a moment right there where I was like, Oh, this feels so loving.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I love that. Yeah, yeah. You would think that was quality time.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's what I thought.
SPEAKER_01Totally.
SPEAKER_04Because it was almost like in that moment she wasn't seeing anybody else.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like there was the party, and and she just zoned in on me and was like, we gotta get a picture. And it was like, oh, that was that felt really good.
SPEAKER_02Totally. That would make me feel good. So what? It's gotta be quality time.
SPEAKER_04Okay, it's gotta be quality time. Okay, and undivided attention.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, totally. I feel like acts of service is climbing the charts for me. Is it in my life? Yeah. I mean, Josh just acts of service.
SPEAKER_04And you feel loved in that. Totally. I feel like Josh would be really good at that.
SPEAKER_02Oh, he's incredible at it.
SPEAKER_03It's like I'm often servicing. Put it on a T shirt.
SPEAKER_02Wait, what is your love language? What do you sense? I mean, like, what is it?
SPEAKER_03What do you like? Don't you feel like I'm quality time and physical touch? It's hard to tell if I've just like forced you there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_02Well, maybe words of affirmation.
SPEAKER_03Well, what reassurance seeking?
SPEAKER_04Well, no, this is verbal appreciation, compliments, and encouragement. So maybe it's assurance, but not re it doesn't have to be reassurance.
SPEAKER_03Wait, what are the
When Words Of Affirmation Miss
SPEAKER_03words? I mean, I like words of affirmation. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Because that's the one that does very little for me.
SPEAKER_03I don't even know if it does much for me, though. I think I want to hear it and then I hear it and it does nothing.
SPEAKER_02I hear it and sometimes I don't believe it. Which what is that? That's okay. Like trauma related, where I'm like, someone will say something really nice and I'll feel myself being like, I have to make some kind of reaction to this, but it doesn't feel real. Oh. Is that weird?
SPEAKER_04I don't think it's weird. I think it's interesting to note and to clock.
SPEAKER_02I'm like trying to think if I've ever heard people have given me a compliment before, and for some reason it felt believable, and that felt good.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I'd be curious what Sarah thinks on this. I think our words of affirmation have really grown as our kids have grown.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And the task of parenting, making it a point to say thank you a lot, or like, thanks for doing that. Thanks for taking the time. Yeah. Thanks for putting the effort in there. I think that has really grown in our relationship. And I wouldn't say it's my number one. It's really important though, to recognize what each partner is doing. Um, because there's so many things in parenting that's effortful, and you're just doing it all the time. That's to get the recognition at certain points, not for every single thing, but it's really important.
SPEAKER_02So totally, I agree. Yeah, that I do like.
SPEAKER_04But it's not like a compliment, right? It's different. I think the appreciation, I really, for me, the words of affirmation really sticks out the the appreciation. The compliments, I don't, yeah, that doesn't really do much.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But it is nice though when somebody says, like, you look nice, or yeah, you know, who wouldn't want to hear that?
SPEAKER_01No, it's funny. It's like sometimes I don't believe it. It's weird. I don't believe it. I don't believe it.
SPEAKER_02It's like that's why a compliment from a stranger can feel better. That's why a compliment from a stranger can feel better because you're like, they have no motivation to lie to me.
SPEAKER_04Whoa.
SPEAKER_02They shouldn't really have even much motivation to me.
SPEAKER_04So do you feel like people are gonna lie to you or are lying to you?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. Sometimes I think it's like it's used in order to like create a bond. Oh my god, once when we were working together, someone in the office we were working with was like, I like your scarf. And then they like turned to the person next to them and they were like, I like to give people compliments. And I was like, that felt like the craziest interaction I've ever had.
SPEAKER_04I don't remember that. Was I there for that?
SPEAKER_02Uh maybe you weren't there.
SPEAKER_04I don't remember that at all. Maybe we weren't on the same channel. I'm sure we laughed about it.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I was like tearing up laughing. I'm like, what a funny thing. Yeah, I like to give people compliments. Yeah, it's like so you like to do that rather than you actually like my scarf.
SPEAKER_04For sure.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yes, yeah, it's kind of funny. Physical touch, though, is very important. And I think, especially when you have kids, they're all over. They're all over me and Sarah. You don't get any time with your partner, or you don't get as much time with your partner. And so I think the moments where you can, you know, be with them, cuddle, hold hands, you know, that type of thing is so important.
SPEAKER_02Totally. Yeah, me and Josh, well, I really love it, and I maybe force you to love it too. But it's like when we're like next to each other on the couch or we're kind of like hugging each other or something, my nieces often will be like, What are you doing over there? What are you doing? And I wonder if it has to do with like how stressed and tired their parents are, and like they don't get as much time. Who knows? But it's like it's it's funny.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they've never witnessed physical touch.
SPEAKER_02No, no, I they definitely have.
SPEAKER_04We have not talked about gifts at all.
SPEAKER_02Gifts, okay.
SPEAKER_03I keep hearing it as gifts. Oh, we haven't talked about gifts.
SPEAKER_04Maybe I'm saying it. Gifts.
SPEAKER_02Gifts.
SPEAKER_03I like to send a fun gift, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Send your loved one a gift. Meaningful gifts. Yeah, gifts. It's like I I almost like irrationally have the most like judgment of this one if it's your love language. It's like a little bit like, oh come on. Okay.
SPEAKER_04But that's not fair. I don't I think that is kind of fair. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02A little bit. Yeah. So it can feel like maybe superficial. Yeah. But it isn't always maybe.
SPEAKER_04You have to be able probably to call on times where somebody gave you something and it was like, wow, that was really thoughtful.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I think it's hard to maintain that though.
SPEAKER_02I mean, that's the thing. It's like it's hard to maintain like a thoughtful, sentimental, but also useful or chicken.
SPEAKER_04Or creative or, you know. Um, why would we even be talking about this on this podcast? Why is this an important thing to consider, these love languages?
Making Love Languages Practical In Real Life
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well, I think because I mean it, I I think that doesn't even necessarily have to like be just strictly like in the romantic relationship realm. Sure. I've even heard like some workplaces have adopted this, but like in any kind of relationship, it's a good practice to consider like, am I speaking to this person in a way I like to be spoken to? Like, or am I considering like what do I notice about them that they need, want, like? Yes, you know, what helps them feel seen and connected. Not only doing that and like forgetting about yourself, but like considering both, I think is like relational health to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_04Because when you don't feel loved, that's a terrible feeling.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04Right? And so and somebody might be coming to that in a very honest way of thinking they're doing something that's helpful or that you like. Yeah. And if you're not communicating about that, it can cause anger or resentment. Why am I not being, you know, in terms of the words of affirmation, right? I'm not being recognized, I'm not given any type of appreciation or compliments. And the other person might be really saying, Yeah, but I'm here all the time, like quality time, I'm always here for you. And yeah, that's great. It doesn't mean they don't like that. It just might not really like make them feel right, right, as loved as they could be. So I think this is like if people that's the thing. It's one thing to know about it, it's another thing to be talking about it. Yeah and visiting this topic.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, and like really incorporating it. Well, I'm realizing like I don't I don't actively think about this that much with you, Joshi. Like what you really need. Like, would you like more acts of service? Nah. Yeah, you actually don't like acts of service.
SPEAKER_03Well, I resist them. I think I could like them if I were to go to a little bit of more therapy.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, the gifts is interesting because I think that's probably gonna be low on my list typically. Yeah, same. You're like, end of story. Same.
SPEAKER_02But it's also like I'm acting all superior about that, and it's like, no, it's almost because I'm even more superficial and I'm like, I no one can get me a gift. I actually like, I like to buy myself gifts.
SPEAKER_04You seemed genuinely touched the one time I got you the tequila you made.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yes, I was touched by that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah because you were like, oh, you actually like listened to me about the type of tequila I was. Yeah. So I feel like that was a win. Yeah. Jish, Casamigos, if you're looking for it.
SPEAKER_02Casamigos, 16 limes.
SPEAKER_04But again, I think that's like the one-offs here and there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's true. Well, and see, that's like kind of what you're saying. If I like get in the most like wise-minded place, any of these, I could let them touch me. And and sometimes I think love language can have to do actually sometimes with like wounds that we have.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And and sometimes when we do more therapy and like heal some of those, we are really we're open, you know, to everything. So it's like, even if something's not your love language, you're more open to like gestures in that vein, like gifts or words of affirmation. I don't know what kind of therapy I need for the words of affirmation. I mean, my therapist, I could bring this up with my therapist and we could have an interesting conversation about it, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_04But but you seem to zone into just the compliments.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, you're right. It's like compliments are tricky for me to feel like they're true. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04What about encouragement? Because that's a part of it too. People offering you encouragement.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You got this.
SPEAKER_02I think I have to feel like the person is genuinely really tuned into like what I'm doing, who I am, and if they're like, you can do this. Like, I remember having a close, close friend kind of coaching me before a job interview. And it was someone who knew me intimately, knew my work. And they said to me, like, you know, I want you to be aware, like when you interview, like you are interviewing them. Like, they would be very lucky to have you. And you need to really think about if you want to work there. And it was like the most helpful encouragement I'd ever gotten. Because I was like, this person, they they know me. They know my work, they work with me. They weren't like puffing me up, it didn't feel like it. Even felt almost a little like stern in a way, and but like true, like value yourself here because you are valuable. And I like that hit. Yeah, it's weird. It's like it almost comes with like someone I can really sense, trusts me, knows me, and is like going out of their way. That's kind of rare. Like being truly seen is like kind of rare. Because you know, like we've all had the experience of someone being like, You're gonna do great at something, and you're like, you wouldn't even know. You wouldn't you would not even know. Like, I'm not comforted by like a platitude, right? You know, and maybe I end up feeling like that can be the case. Whereas, like, if someone more knows me, it feels good and like real. Yeah, there has to be more trust there.
SPEAKER_04Well, I think even what you just did with Josh is something that people that are listening could do with their partners very easily and accessibly. Like, how what how do you feel loved? What is your love language? Just even starting there and have somebody think about it, even if they don't know, yeah, I think engaging in that conversation, because I I don't think a lot of people spend time thinking about it that much. Yeah, I know when we came up, this is going to be the topic today, I was thinking, you know, when this stuff comes up, I never really know how to pinpoint it. And that's fine. I don't have to know exactly.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And it's useful to think about, right? Because if that's something that I feel like I'm not getting, do I need to ask for it, or even show appreciation when I do get it?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04In the way that I like to risk it.
SPEAKER_02That's a huge deal. Yeah, because I will sometimes over the course of my career have clients who are like, My partner doesn't talk to me in my love language. And I do have the urge, and you know, like this can be part of the conversation of like, are you speaking to them in theirs? Right. Are you if and when they in the rare moments they do speak it, do you really acknowledge that?
SPEAKER_04Right. Or are you even pointing out to them that they're not?
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04Like this doesn't hit for me as because they might be again, they might be coming to that in a very honest way that they just don't know what they don't know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04So I think these terms are thrown around a lot. Yeah. If you're not though talking about it in your actual relationship, it's it's good to know what it is. You have to put it out there though, or you have to have conversations with your partner about it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's gotta be in the communication, right? Even if there isn't this like really intense, well-established data on these. I think the general principle is like intuitive. Yes, you know, it's not always like intuitive to do it, but to think like, okay, speak to my partner in the language they speak to make them feel loved totally makes sense. And I will say too, like, everybody needs some modicum of each one.
SPEAKER_04Exactly.
SPEAKER_02Like if you really value quality time and your partner's always hanging with you and they never do anything around the house, like you're gonna come bust.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you know, or like they never ever get you a gift, or if they're love bombing you with gifts, and you're like, this is annoying, right?
SPEAKER_02It's like, okay, I like gifts, but for God's sake, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Could you give me a compliment? Or could you that would be much more meaningful than another whatever? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Or could you put down like work and like be with me for two hours?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_02Totally.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm not I'm not available, so here's another and there are relationships like that, but I can't put my work down. According to the the book, and I think this is where it runs into a little bit of criticism, is it might have been a little bit heavy-handed in the idea that you have a primary one and then a secondary one.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_04You know, this is soft science, but yeah, it's more like general.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's like if you are only giving love in the way that you feel loved, like be curious about like, is there something I'm leaving on the table that could make my partner feel more loved? Or if you're kind of just accepting the way your partner kind of naturally loves and communicates with you. Maybe there's more there for you too to be curious about. Yeah. But I would say explore it if you haven't. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So many people have, but have a basic conversation.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, share this podcast with your partner.
SPEAKER_04Share it with your partner. Listen to it together.
SPEAKER_03My love language is when people rate our podcast a five.
SPEAKER_04Well, that would be affirmation, wouldn't it? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03It's also an act of service, it's an act of service and it's quality time. They're spending quality time.
SPEAKER_02Quality time, totally.
SPEAKER_03It's also physical touch because they're touching their iPhone. It's just not a gift.
SPEAKER_02Once again, gift's just not a gift unless you gift a subscription.
SPEAKER_04Unless you give the subscription to someone.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Gift them the link. Yeah, definitely. The love languages.
SPEAKER_02Love languages. Okay. Well, we can move now to our how-wise is it
Top Sheets: Comfort, Heat, And Cleanliness
SPEAKER_02question.
SPEAKER_04How wise is it? Okay, what are we doing today? How wise is it to use a top sheet?
SPEAKER_02Oh, oh, yes. Yeah. How wise is it to use a top sheet?
SPEAKER_04Hmm. On the bed.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah. You said you had some strong takes on this. Or a strong take.
SPEAKER_04I just don't like a top sheet.
SPEAKER_02Okay, tell us.
SPEAKER_04It's too constricting. Yeah. It's unnecessary. It does feel a little unnecessary for me. Now, here's the pushback on that. People will always push yourself back. Here's the pushback from myself on this. No, the pushback I get from other people, because this is a hot topic, especially in my family. Sometimes we talk about this. Oh, is how often are you washing your blanket? That's what people will ask me.
SPEAKER_02There to protect the blanket because you.
SPEAKER_04Well, right. Part of the reason the sheet is there is to protect the integrity of the blanket. Yeah. From like your body. From your body. From your gross body.
SPEAKER_02So but the clothes are there too. I sleep with clothes.
SPEAKER_04Speak for yourself.
unknownNo.
SPEAKER_04Huge reveal. No, I sleep with clothes too. It doesn't bother me. We also have duvet covers, so we just take them off and wash them as if they were sheets.
SPEAKER_01We'll see what we're doing.
SPEAKER_04Which is a pain to wash. Which is a pain in the ass, but that's a different story. Maybe how wise it to have a duvet cover, but I just feel like the sheet is unnecessary. It's too constricting. It doesn't really offer me the things I need. And it's just more work. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02It is more work. I don't like it. So I'm pro no top sheet. You're pro-no top sheet, which apparently is like pretty millennial to not want a top sheet. Yeah. Okay. I don't know about Gen Z's, but like I maybe it's like older generations always had them. I, before Josh and I moved in together, I was a no top sheet. Okay. Girly. And what flipped? Josh loves a top sheet. I mean, he was a little like, this can't, this will not hold. Like this will not stand. This aggression will not hold.
SPEAKER_04Will not stand.
SPEAKER_02So and I kind of was like, I mean, we don't really need it. And you were like, well, we absolutely need it. And then I was kind of like, I guess, okay. And we just kind of went with it. So you do you feel strongly?
SPEAKER_03That was an act of service.
SPEAKER_02Of mine.
SPEAKER_03Of yours.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Sacrifice. And very selfless.
SPEAKER_02Oh.
SPEAKER_03Hey, uh, I'm a hot sleeper.
SPEAKER_04You like to throw the blanket off and just have the sheet. I often will sleep with just the top sheet.
SPEAKER_02Just the sheet. Why did I never think of that?
SPEAKER_04So now there's the temperature argument. Yeah. And there are a lot of people in my family that say the exact same thing. There's the two arguments in my family, which are the cleanliness of it all and the temperature of it all. Because they're like, well, what are you just not going to sleep with a blanket? And my soul for that is to always just kick the one foot out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like I have one foot on top of my blanket over my blanket. And that usually serves the purpose.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that can cool you down for sure. I mean, I'm not the kind of person who ever would feel warm enough with just a sheet on me. It's like, or it's not enough pressure.
SPEAKER_04It isn't enough pressure. That is such a good point. I that is also, yeah, I never thought of that. The sheet is not enough. It's blanket or it's gotta be.
SPEAKER_02Or you're awake to do it.
SPEAKER_04Yes, you need the you need the weightiness.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. You don't feel like safe in the blanket. You don't feel safe at all in sheets.
SPEAKER_04You're only proving my point here. I gotta bring these arguments up with my family.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. There's no pressure. But I end up sleeping with the blanket and the top sheet.
SPEAKER_04And then sometimes I'm kind of you know what sleeping with just the top sheet is like? It's when you go to a sleepover and you can't find a blanket at somebody's house that's really cold and you're so uncomfortable the entire night because you were only given this ratty ass, yeah, like thin blanket. Totally. That's what the top sheet is to me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's like those would be just like in high school where like the parents barely even knew we were sleeping over, we just like crash at the person's house and there wasn't enough supplies to go around. Yeah, yeah. So you're like just cold and uncomfortable, and you can't wait to get home, and you're like, everyone is asleep and I'm awake, and yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know, this makes me hearken back to I didn't think it was wise to have a tablecloth. Maybe I'm just not Oh, yeah. Is there any correlation there?
SPEAKER_02Claw.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, maybe I'm not into that.
SPEAKER_02I've learned that I don't think I need a tablecloth on like on a regular day. Sometimes I like the idea that you can get another pattern in the mix, but I do like a tablecloth for a dinner party because it's nice to just like take it off and wash it. But then you also can stain it more than a table.
SPEAKER_04But that was the argument to have the clothes to get rid of it. So the top sheet is basically the tablecloth of the bed.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So I don't like either.
SPEAKER_02You don't like either, and I get that. Not wise. I get that.
SPEAKER_04For me.
SPEAKER_02But I'm like, I'm almost right in the middle. Yeah. I like I feel like since I've like ex radically accepted having it for your sake, like it's fine. And maybe if we took it off, I'd miss it.
SPEAKER_03It's true. Yeah, because you get so coldy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Don't you like that little extra layer of fluff?
SPEAKER_02Uh it's like, here's my thing. It's like I'm cold half the night, and then I'm boiling half a night. It's like that. I think that's just being a woman having female hormones. It's like I can't, I can't get no respect.
SPEAKER_04You can't regulate the temperature.
SPEAKER_02There's just never a fully comfortable night.
SPEAKER_04I I want to hear more people that think it's wise because I just I don't think it's wise.
SPEAKER_02Well, and I wonder why they say millennials don't like them. Is it because we're spending all our money on avocado toast and like Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_04If you if you can go to Starbucks, you'd be able to afford a top sheet. Yeah, yeah. And your parents saved for the top sheet. Right. Yeah. Maybe all of the beds that our parents were making were too tight, too restrictive.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I like to be free.
SPEAKER_02Or too like by the book and not questioning like the necessity of each piece. Like, let's actually pause here and determine like, is any of this necessary?
SPEAKER_04Let's make a bed comfortable and personalized. Yeah. Yeah. Do you need a time?
SPEAKER_02Someone was probably just like, I'm getting rid of this thing. And then they just started telling prior. Yeah, they're like, listen, you don't need that thing.
SPEAKER_04It's life changing. Yeah. Once you get rid of that top sheet. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I have many of the things that I think.
SPEAKER_04I think there's also a height issue for me. Most beds, my feet are like pushing up against the bottom of that sheet if it's really. Tucked it and tight. And that was always highly uncomfortable for me as like a tall person in the later kind of stages of teenage into young adulthood. And so I feel like that was another reason why I didn't want a top sheet. Yeah. Again, the restriction. Yeah, just the restriction, and my feet would just be like butting up against that, and it just felt uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, maybe you like it more if you're shorter.
SPEAKER_04It's also so much easier to make the bed without a top sheet. Yeah. Just throw that blanket, fluff it once, it already looks made, you're done. Just go. God, I'm convincing myself how great I am right now about how much I'm on the right side of this one. I'm getting really ramped up.
SPEAKER_02Josh, any change of heart?
SPEAKER_04Change of heart.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna sell you on top sheet.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Tell me why I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_03You ever worn a hoodie?
SPEAKER_04I have worn a hoodie in my life a few times.
SPEAKER_03Top sheet's like the hoodie of the bed.
SPEAKER_04I don't agree.
SPEAKER_03Because like ogres, they have layers.
SPEAKER_04But even the material of it, it doesn't feel hoodie-ish. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03This isn't a direct comparison.
SPEAKER_04Okay, we're just we're formulating things here. Listen, as always with these how wise as a question, people have to find their inner wisdom. Yeah, and it's personal, and we're not prescribing people what they should do. I just haven't heard the most and through lived experience, it's not for me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So totally.
SPEAKER_02And I think we valid points on all sides. Like Josh, if you find the sheet to be enough pressure when you throw the blanket off. It's not, and warm enough.
SPEAKER_03I just get so I just get so hot sometimes. Yeah. It's your yeah, it's a temperature. And then I get so cold. I feel like there's times I want top sheet and the comforter, then there's times I want almost literally nothing.
SPEAKER_02The only time I've used just the top sheet is like if I'm spending the night somewhere where they like basically don't have AC and it's like muggy. And then you're like, I'm gonna sleep with only the sheet and still be hot and still not feel safe and still not feel good. And I'm just gonna have a miserable night, but I might as well just do it with the sheet.
SPEAKER_04We used to have an old coworker, I'll I'll tell you who it is I'm thinking of. Maybe you'll remember this, who used to tell us that they used to kind of like wrap the sheet almost around their head a little bit, like almost a mummy situation where it was kind of like there was the blanket, but then there was like this like wrapping around that would make them feel a little bit more secure. Like a straight jacket. Yeah, kind of a little bit. Wrapping around their head is I haven't thought about that in such a long time, but I remember this person telling me that they were like, oh yeah, it's kind of like you know, you put it around and mummify. Yeah. I love it. I was like, no. That was so funny.
SPEAKER_02I
Listener Questions And Closing Contacts
SPEAKER_02love it. Okay, well, that's our episode.
SPEAKER_04That's our episode. Let us know about sheets.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, let us know what you think. Let us know about love languages. Yes. And take good care of your sheets.
SPEAKER_04Of your sheets and your family, your relationships. You can find me at butts.jonathan at gmail.com. What about you?
SPEAKER_02Okay, you can find me at kkpsychsotherapy.com. How about you, Josh?
SPEAKER_03You can find me at joshbearfilms.com or JoshBearfilms on YouTube.
SPEAKER_02Nice. Okay, and thank you to blankets.
SPEAKER_03Thank you to blankets to blankets for making all sorts of music for our audience.
SPEAKER_04All right, so we'll see you all next week. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Bye. Bye. Take good care.
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