The Wise Mind Happy Hour
Two therapists musing about the idea of an inner wise mind and how to connect with this psychic space in different contexts.
The Wise Mind Happy Hour
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A tenured professor, an open marriage with rules that suddenly don’t work, and a campus Title IX scandal that makes everyone pick a side. We just watched Netflix’s Vladimir (starring Rachel Weisz, Leo Woodall and John Slattery) and we couldn’t stop talking about it. Beneath the darkly playful humor is a surprisingly sharp look at what desire does to your mind, your body, and your sense of self.
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Meet The Hosts And The Plan
SPEAKER_00Welcome to Wise Mind Happy Hour. I'm Kelly.
SPEAKER_01And I'm Josh.
SPEAKER_00Josh. We have Josh here today with us filling in. Well, really, like not filling in for John because I had to switch around our recording a little bit. So it's my fault John isn't here, sadly. Um kind of everything's your fault. This week, yes. This week I think.
SPEAKER_01Some weeks it's all my fault. Mostly it's my fault, but this time it's your fault.
SPEAKER_00This time it's my fault. But that's okay. We're forging on. I don't think it's okay. It is okay. We're forging on. We're gonna do an episode, me and Josh, and we decided we wanted to do an episode today on a TV show we just watched that we thought was really interesting. Josh and I like to do this.
SPEAKER_01We did this once before.
SPEAKER_00We did this once before, and you're a filmmaker, so it's kind of fun.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I love to talk about film because I make films.
Why Netflix's Vladimir Stands Out
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but this is actually a TV show.
SPEAKER_01Oh, whoops. Yeah, you want to say the name?
SPEAKER_00It's on Netflix, it's called Vladimir. Not to be confused with Vladimir Putin. Exactly. Vladimir Vladinsky is the character's name that it's based on.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it's based on a real person?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, his name's Vladimir in the show.
SPEAKER_01But this is a real story?
SPEAKER_00No, it's based the name is named after the character in the show Vladimir.
SPEAKER_01The fake character. Yeah. Okay, but it's based on a book.
SPEAKER_00Yes, a book called Vladimir, and I think there's a character named Vladimir in the book.
SPEAKER_01And is there any like Nabakov?
SPEAKER_00The show references classical literature like throughout. Like each episode title is a famous work of literature. Yeah, I think I didn't know any of them. And you knew all of them? No, I didn't know all of them. I knew some of them. Yeah, okay. I've never seen a show with this tone before. I don't think no. No.
SPEAKER_01Because it's sexual. Yeah. I'd say it's not trashy. No. And it's funny.
SPEAKER_00Very funny, very like whimsical.
SPEAKER_01It's pretty comedic throughout. It never really gets too dark or serious.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_01It's weird.
SPEAKER_00Very weird.
SPEAKER_01But not Twin Peaks weird.
SPEAKER_00No, no, no. Yeah, I wouldn't compare it to Fleabag. Well, there is talking to the camera of the main character. Maybe that's why I said that.
Spoilers Plot And Open Marriage
SPEAKER_00And we can give a little plot synopsis. So there's gonna be some spoilers. If you haven't seen it and you're interested, we're gonna spoil the whole show. We're gonna spoil it. It's um it stars Rachel Vice. Stunning. John Slattery of Mad Men fame. He plays Roger Sterling. Stunning. The other main actor, he was from White Lotus, I think. Oh, he's in White Lotus. What is his? Who does he play?
SPEAKER_01A guy?
SPEAKER_00He plays Vladimir.
SPEAKER_01I know. Who does he play in White Lotus? Um kind of guy? Leo Woodall. Okay.
SPEAKER_00His name is Oh, he's not Russian? I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I totally bought that.
SPEAKER_00The actor may not be.
SPEAKER_01He got really Russian to me on this show.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he plays a Russian character, his name's Vladimir. And basically the plot is Rachel Weiss is a prof a tenured professor at like an elite university, as is her husband, John Slattery. And he's in the middle of a Title IX fiasco where he has had some kind of sexual contact with like up to nine different students. And so she's kind of getting a lot of like judgment and blowback from his actions. And one complex piece of things is that they've always had an open marriage, pretty much. Right. So she knew he dated other women and they kind of had a don't ask, don't tell kind of policy about who they were actually dating.
SPEAKER_01But it seems like as of late, when the show is taking place, he's taking a little more advantage of the situation than she is.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, she says that at one point, like it's been a while since I've taken advantage of the open marriage.
SPEAKER_01She's become frigid.
SPEAKER_00She isn't like sleeping around as much. No, definitely not as much as him.
SPEAKER_01Even though she's glowing.
SPEAKER_00The show is interesting because it's covering professor dating students, like this power dynamic relationship. And open relationships. And open relationships like polyamory. And aging. Also, like balancing your sex life, romantic life with your creative life. You know, how do you wow? The show has a lot thematically. Yeah, it has a lot going on. It's really interesting in depicting how one woman is trying to deal with this. And she begins to deal with it by becoming infatuated with her younger colleague in the English department. She's an English professor. Her husband's an English professor too. He teaches poetry one or something. He's a poetry professor. And she teaches her big class that everyone takes is women in American fiction. Edith Wharton. Oh Edith Piaff.
SPEAKER_01A bunch of different Edith Pelof.
SPEAKER_00Edith, I think is a musical artist.
SPEAKER_01I know. Yeah. I just really like her name.
SPEAKER_00Um, I forget who else she teaches in that class, but they show it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01They show a little bit of teaching. Yeah. I know we like to call it when shows show school. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00There's a little bit of school. But yeah, so she becomes infatuated with her younger colleague and kind of like imagines him having sex with her, desiring her.
SPEAKER_01There's a lot of cutaways to that. Yeah. If I were to have one critique of a show. Well, you had said it was repetitive because you had watched it before. And I don't know if I felt that, but when I was trying to think of how it could be repetitive, it was just the amount of times it would go into her fantasies.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But I think there was almost like a jokiness to that too. Yeah. And I do think like there is something repetitive about having like a crush.
SPEAKER_01It felt intrusive. Yeah. It was literally intruding on my watching of the show.
SPEAKER_00And I think that is the experience of having a crush.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It kind of intrudes on your ability to like be a person in environments that the person is in. And sometimes not even environments they're in when you're just thinking about them. Because the fantasies weren't distinct.
SPEAKER_01There wasn't really an escalation to them. And they weren't dream sequency. They were all kind of the same.
SPEAKER_00Well, they were all like the very beginning of like a new sexual encounter.
SPEAKER_01Like the music would get everything would slow down and it'd be like, You mind if I just take off your pants? Yeah. Let's do sex. They were kind of all like that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they were right. Yeah. But yeah, I I mean, what did you think of the show overall? Well, I really enjoyed it.
SPEAKER_01I could it's addictive. I sensed that I kept wanting to watch it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, what did you like most about it?
SPEAKER_01Rachel Vise.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, she's incredible.
SPEAKER_01Well, no, I think I genuinely didn't know where it was going. And I think I like that in a show. I think I was invested in the characters. It's a character show. Totally. Yeah, it checks a lot of my boxes. A care a funny character show that's weird and kind of a comedy, but not sitcom comedy. Yeah. But funny throughout. Emotional nuance. It wasn't creepy. Was it creepy at all? Usually my favorite favorite shows are a little bit creepy.
SPEAKER_00There was like she was creepy at tiny moments.
Crush Fantasies Desire And Aging
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I guess. Well, she the way it opens, you almost think it's gonna be a fatal attraction kind of a thing.
SPEAKER_00She's like woman on the verge.
SPEAKER_01Well, it opens with Vladimir chained to a chair. Yeah. In a cottage. This is literally the first five seconds. I'm not spoiling anything. Yeah. In a in a cottage, and he wakes up and he's chained to the chair.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And he's like, What?
SPEAKER_00What's going on?
SPEAKER_01And then Rachel Vise is there.
SPEAKER_00And they go backwards.
SPEAKER_01Seemingly like she had done that to him. Yeah. And she kind of says, How did we get here? Yeah. And then you go back in time. And then that ends up being the beginning of the last episode.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I think it's like maybe a dramedy. Yeah. It's really making fun of like woke culture and modern culture and college culture. But it's not making fun of them like it's anti-woke. It's almost like a woke thing being self-aware. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's not taking sides. Right. It's almost like Desperate Housewives meets Jane Eyre. In what way? I've never read Jane Eyre. It's like Desperate Housewives meets something that is more like.
SPEAKER_00I never watched Desperate Housewives.
SPEAKER_01Then we can't have this conversation.
SPEAKER_00Well, too, it's like in a lot of ways, they have kind of like to me at least a pretty idyllic life. Like they're both like tenured professors, making good money, writing interesting books, and they're at a point, both of them, where they're not. Well, especially the main character. It she's not feeling, especially in light of the Title IX stuff and her husband's actions, feeling like alive. Alive and herself and like embodied in the way that she wants to. And she they cover a lot with aging and her feeling like she doesn't like turn a man's head the way she wants to. But then she also later talks about how like when she does it doesn't feel the same. At the end? Yeah, where it's like, oh, if a man tells me I inspire him, that used to be the most meaningful thing to be like. Well, that's interesting.
SPEAKER_01Because that's not even just about someone being physically attracted to her. He was Vladimir. We're spoiling everything. He by the end reveals that he's physically attracted to her and intellectually kind of idolizing her.
SPEAKER_00She thought that's what she wanted, and in the experience of it, I think she realized like I want to be inspired. I don't want to be the catalyst for someone else's inspiration only.
SPEAKER_01She doesn't want to be a muse.
SPEAKER_00And she says, like, I'm a character in both my husband's and Vladimir's stories. I can I can feel them making me one. And I think it's not the male gaze. It doesn't feel quite right. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And and I like that in the show she's kind of courting the male gaze from this younger colleague the whole time and hoping to be validated in her aging and her beauty and her objectivity. And when she gets it, she doesn't really find it invigorating to use her words. She wants to write a book. Yeah. And she ends up using the experience to write a book.
SPEAKER_01And then he writes a book about the same thing. Yeah. But it sells less. Yeah, and she says hers does much better. This is the last 10 seconds of the show.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. Which is interesting. He writes, she said, like a tender a story about like a young, a young professor, you know, having a tender affair with his older colleague. Yeah. And hers is like a passionate, steamy, like, you know, older woman. Older woman seduces young men. Finding this new outlet for desire. And they, you know, I Josh and I were saying this that in a lot of Netflix shows, like they almost let you come to your own conclusion and then they often hand it to you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, on a sulfur platter.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's a very Netflix show.
SPEAKER_01I kind of had things percolating, and then they're just like, I knew in the last episode, I'm like, they're gonna give it a shot. Go make a pod about it and say what we told you.
SPEAKER_00Right. So John Slattery, the husband, says to her Dreamboat. Total dream boat. She's he says to her, um, desire, isn't it? The greatest thing. And she's like, I thought it was, but it's really more what desire does to me, which is like it invigorates me. It makes me feel alive.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I almost for a second was thinking, is this show about emptiness? Is this a really sad show? And I don't think it ended on such a cynical note.
SPEAKER_00It's like addressing this idea of like how do you feel alive in different ways, like throughout the ages.
SPEAKER_01Is this show like the graduate flipped upside down? If you took the graduate and inverted it, I I know. I I think I haven't seen the graduate in a while.
SPEAKER_00I think it's like the graduate, it's like I I would need to rewatch it to like form a real thesis of it. At the coming of age. But I don't think they went inside Ann Bancroft's like head. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, so maybe it is.
SPEAKER_01This would be like if you if it was from Anne Bancroft's perspective.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and like him being with her was like him being lost, and I think I don't think they're communicating that she's lost by desiring this colleague. I think it's sort of like she lost. The colleague is like a means to an end that's more pure, which is like feeling aliveness.
SPEAKER_01Anne Bancroft probably felt alive, but they don't cover any of that.
SPEAKER_00Like that's what I'm saying, it's the inverse. And also her character was very like over it. And Bancroft? I I don't think we can, I honestly don't think we can totally make that comparison. I know.
SPEAKER_01As I was saying it, I was like, I know this isn't gonna land.
SPEAKER_00It's falling apart. I think I I don't I almost think that's telling it short. Like, and the graduate's incredible, but I think it's telling a very different story, not about a young person, and I like that. It's something it's you know, Rachel Vice is like in her 50s, 56 in all the shit that happens, like in life in a marriage, like how do you really continue over and over to live your creative life?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's a good point.
SPEAKER_00And I think for women, it's a unique challenge. Have you found that to be a challenge? Well, I think because I'm not yet a mother, I haven't even come close to the real things that challenge it. I I think it's like where I've found this challenging is like even like meeting you. It's funny because the show is like using like having a crush as like this catalyst for creativity and aliveness. I feel that totally, but I think also for me at times it's like navigating a relationship that's really, really meaningful, that kind of hits you out of nowhere, like that the person that becomes your spouse. Sure. Your person. You know, I remember thinking it was hard to really feel totally focused on my professional life, my like creative work in that area. I felt very distracted from it and like split in two a little bit. And it took a long time to really integrate them.
SPEAKER_01Now that our relationship is kind of cooling off, I think you can kind of plug back into work.
SPEAKER_00Cooling off.
SPEAKER_01We're in a cooling phase where I think we're really plugging into our work.
SPEAKER_00No, we're never in a cooling phase, you and me.
SPEAKER_01Things are hot and heavy.
SPEAKER_00Well, no, it's like we're we're always like obsessed with each other and we're always cooling. And I think being a mother is like that on absolute steroids. And I think it's a little different than managing traditionally, and this is this is changing, I think, but it's different than managing fatherhood and a creative life. I do think socially men are given a lot more space for their careers.
SPEAKER_01I'm kind of expected to go off and make my films, yeah, let you raise the babe.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's like it almost like a lot of dads will and I do think this is truly changing, and it may be way different for you, but it tends that identity tends to consume them less. Now, do I think that about like some of the like millennial fathers I know? I actually think the millennial fathers that I know and I'm closest to really do identify with being a dad, like my brother, like John. Yeah, we know some powerful dads. Some dads who absolutely deeply embrace the role. None of them are artists. Right. Yeah. I mean, John does creative work as a therapist, but creativity.
SPEAKER_01I was about to say creativity is really short. Which isn't at all, I think am I having a stroke. I what I was trying to say is that therapy is a really creative field.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean it is because there has to be such like live creation in a moment of therapy. Um when your life starts to feel like settled, right? Which I have yet to experience. Yeah. They're tenured, their daughter is grown and in a relationship, and she's a lawyer, and you know, she seems like fairly secure in her identity as a bisexual woman, you know.
SPEAKER_01They're close. I like the way they handle that too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I feel like you a lot of the time on shows, it's kind of oh, well, maybe less lately. I don't know what I'm like, I disagree with my statement. I was gonna say shows are either, oh, we're so close or everything's so dysfunctional. I feel like things felt dysfunctional in a way where everyone kind of loved each other.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like they weren't afraid of what was gonna happen in the house, even though there actually was quite a bit of turmoil.
SPEAKER_01But everyone kind of is joking about it. Yeah, there's a lot of husband and love, even yeah, yeah, there's this sense that things are chaotic, but there's a deep connection between everyone. Yeah, which isn't empty.
SPEAKER_00If this is a show about emptiness, yeah, it's not, it's not one little funny thread, and I almost like want to think about what the larger meaning of this is, but you and I
Phone Noise And Modern Emptiness
SPEAKER_00kept laughing at Rachel Vase's having the younger colleague over for like a pool party. So she decides to get a bikini wax, and the way the salon engages with her over text is so funny, and so how these businesses operate now.
SPEAKER_01What was you remember it verbado?
SPEAKER_00It was like it was like she signs up for it because it was like a two for one deal or whatever. It was like, we caught you peeking, two for one deal on a Brazilian wax or whatever, and she ends up doing it, and then they text her like nine million times after that. And they're like, hey Chica, give us a review. You know, thanks for giving us a review. You know, want to book your next appointment? Like they're constantly bothering her.
SPEAKER_01That was really funny. I because I feel like that's almost something. If I were in a writer's room, I could imagine them being like, that's funny, but you need to cut that. Yeah, it doesn't drive the spot forward.
SPEAKER_00But something about it like really captures like what it's like. You're trying to like do something important and you're getting a million texts on your phone from like a fucking salon, right? Asking for their like ninth review and suggested purchase. And it's like, shut up. The modern existence. It's like I'm trying to, she's like trying to have like a tough conversation with someone, and it's like, hey Chica, like constant text. And of course, you're gonna check your phone because it's a text, it could be from your kid, it could be from your partner, it could be from Yeah, there's a lot of phone stuff, and I I thought that was really unique that they put that in there, and it really added something. It was funny and it was like incisive with like what it's like to go through a day. How many of those texts do I get? Every single time you go to a website now. You they're like, sign up for this, sign up for this, sign up, you know, text and email and this. And you're like, I can't even browse the sweaters for two seconds.
SPEAKER_01I know it's crazy. I was just getting upset about all the apps I have on my phone.
SPEAKER_00The like voraciousness of like the consumerist culture, which is in the last 10 years has like exponentially gone up. It does get in the way of like feeling alive. It is emptiness to your point. Like when you're trying to do things that are meaningful, it's another like really empty, distracting thing that's in your face.
SPEAKER_01If I were to really get in touch with myself, I could spend the whole day just doing online things.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01There's always something I could be doing.
SPEAKER_00They just want to keep your eyes on the phone forever, even if that means you're like dead to the world, essentially.
SPEAKER_01I know. And I'm getting so much joy out of posting my clipsies. Yeah. But it's a slippery slope.
SPEAKER_00Well, at least you're not selling anything with those.
SPEAKER_01Not yet.
SPEAKER_00Not yet.
unknownNot yet.
SPEAKER_01I spire two. If you're on a rant and review the pod.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But it's like it's a challenging thing. And I really like that they added that. And like the show, it doesn't really, it's not this like incredibly perfectly cohesive thing the whole way through. It meanders a little bit, but it's great. Like my favorite shows.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Just that little bit of meandering.
SPEAKER_00Now, I could see someone turning it on and being like, the tone of the show is so odd, and the humor is like so weird that they don't like it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Like, do you think my mom would like it? It's out there for sure, but I really liked it. And of course, I'm a sucker. I don't know. But that almost makes it more out there. Yeah. If the closest thing I can think of is Desperate Housewives, it's nothing like that. Right. Like it's pretty grounded.
Title IX Consent And Power Dynamics
SPEAKER_00And one thing that's really interesting that they address in it that I liked is some of the students get really upset with Rachel Vice for defending or for not speaking out against her partner. And I think her stance, she doesn't like always communicate this completely, but she's sort of like, why do I have to speak for his actions? Those are his actions. Right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that was frustrating. Yeah. And then the part where he kind of, I think there's all this hubbub about the allegations and the hearings, and the students are kind of watching her and uh, what is it, John Slattery in the parking lot, and he kind of grabs her ass.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's actually because she had a splinter there, but they don't know that.
SPEAKER_01She had a yeah, well, A, she had a splinter, B, he grabs her ass. And then the students are like, she's making us uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Which she was a total pass. Like she it should be him that's making them uncomfortable. Right. But it's like her role as being, you know, the cuckold, then a Title IX case is making them uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's like And the fact that she's not speaking up, but expecting a woman to to in ways like take responsibility for the man. Right. And she's kind of just Which is kind of like a you know, Scarlet Letter type of thing.
SPEAKER_01She's like, I want to write my book and fuck this younger guy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I think she doesn't really say anything about what's gone on for him until she has a lecture. Yeah. Which I like that scene. The students are like, you know, she she does say, like, you know, we were like raised in a different time, but this wasn't as like malign to do this. You know, it was actually a different time. And the students are pushing back a lot on that, you know. Like she's like, these are consensual relationships, and they're like, they can't be consensual because he's in a power position as their professor, which is like obviously an incredible point and something I stand by. And then she brings up something interesting, which she says, like, in what sexual relationship is anyone ever on equal footing? Right. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's true. It's like that and also it's like if you remove all the desirous elements of sex, like all the power dynamics, all uh you make it completely, completely, completely safe. Right. Is it even sex? Like what is desire? Like it does involve some it has to somehow feel risky. Totally. There's something at stake. And that's a complex thing for even us to say. Like, I don't know what that means. And I think I think the truth is none of us know the right balance between those perfectly. And there are these like egregious violations, of course. Which ultimately I think his was. But I think she raises a really a great point there of like, yes, you don't want a gross power differential, but who's ever on totally equal footing? It is depicting over and over like this idea of like wise mind with these issues. Oh, way to tie it in. I I really think that. Yeah. That like it's nuanced in all these different ways.
SPEAKER_01Finding your wise mind in an open relationship, finding your wise mind as an older woman whose husband is having a title line here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And how do you regard your husband if you learn in your open relationships? Some of those relationships he's had on the side are with much younger women that he's in a power position over. How are you supposed to feel about that? It's a nuanced issue. How do you feel? You may not feel the way you're prescribed to feel.
SPEAKER_01And is that okay? Right. Can you be okay with that? Can you find the new you?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and and maybe you don't know how to handle it and you don't say anything until you do know what you want to do. And it may not make everyone around you like comfortable or happy. No. And I love stories about women navigating their personhood throughout the years. When they're young and they don't have a family, I think it's so like pure and easy to put that spotlight there. It's hard to like center yourself. I I suspect. I mean watch it for Rachel Vice's like beautiful hair, if nothing else. And her like kind of fun beautiful personality.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Because I sometimes get a little gag reflex of the whole talk into the camera thing.
SPEAKER_00You do.
SPEAKER_01A little bit.
SPEAKER_00But I kind of like it.
SPEAKER_01I know.
SPEAKER_00What's with me that I like it?
SPEAKER_01You're a woman, I'm a man.
SPEAKER_00I guess sometimes it's fun to know someone's inner life in a relationship.
SPEAKER_01A female gaze. I don't want to be gazed at by a female. I want to be the gazer. I don't want it to be flipped back on me.
SPEAKER_00But you get to gaze more when they give you a little more info.
SPEAKER_01Give me that eye contact. Direct eye contact. Makes me uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_00Give me that. It makes me uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_01You sound like one of those students. I'm torn.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I'm trying. I've been triggered by the show. And I need therapy.
SPEAKER_00Triggered, I need to report this show to the Netflix board.
SPEAKER_01I think it was really immature of you to do this pot on me.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, watch the show. It's great.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's uh it's for everyone.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I feel like so many people are gonna watch it and not like it, which I honestly would get to, but I loved it.
SPEAKER_01It's kind of like, who's this for? Yeah. I guess it's for us.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's maybe for us.
SPEAKER_01So good. So good.
SPEAKER_00So
Where To Find Us
SPEAKER_00good. And really that's our little mini episode.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So where can people reach you, Joshie?
SPEAKER_01They can reach me at joshbayerfilms.com or at joshbayerfilms on YouTube and check it out. Hire me. I'm not available, but I will be at some point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And if you want to reach me, you can find me at kkpsychotherapy.com. Um if you want to work with me, you have questions or thoughts about the pod, about Vladimir, about anything at all. I I love hearing from people. So reach out to me at the contact page at kkpsychotherapy.com.
SPEAKER_01Don't be a stranger.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And we'll be back hopefully with John next week.
SPEAKER_01Hopefully with John.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Thanks everyone. Catch you next time.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00Thank you for the music, blanket forts.
SPEAKER_01And we'll catch you next time.
SPEAKER_00We'll catch you next time. The Wisemind Happy Hour podcast is for entertainment purposes only, not to be treated as medical advice. If you are struggling with your mental health, please seek medical attention or counseling.