Fuel, Function, and Fitness | Metabolic Health with Sally Macklin

In this powerful episode of Dual Coast Podcast, we sit down with metabolic health coach Sally Macklin to break down the truth about weight loss, metabolism, and sustainable health.

If you’ve been struggling with losing weight, staying consistent, or understanding what actually works this episode cuts through the noise. Sally dives deep into how caloric intake, metabolic health, discipline, and daily habits all play a role in achieving real, lasting results.

This isn’t about quick fixes or fad diets… it’s about building a body and lifestyle that performs at a high level.

🔥 What We Cover:
•The truth about weight loss and caloric intake
•Why metabolic health is the foundation of everything
•The role of discipline vs. motivation
•How to build sustainable fitness and nutrition habits
•Common mistakes people make when trying to lose weight
•How to create a lifestyle that actually works long-term

Your results are a reflection of your habits and your habits are built through discipline.
This episode will challenge you to take control of your health and raise your standards.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Good morning, Dual Coast family. Hope everybody's doing well this morning. We have a very special episode this morning joined by our special guest right there, Sally Macklin, metabolic health coach, as well as my co-host over there on the West Coast as well, Ross Rogers. How are you guys doing this morning? Good. Sally, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:20

I'm great, Russ. It's awesome to be up and out here on my back porch here at 6:30 in the morning. The sun is coming up, um, light rain falling, but you know, it'll be fine.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

I noticed when Dan asked the question that your rooster responded as well in the background. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Yes, we were we were talking about that. That um that's one thing uh your listeners may be hearing in the background. If you're wondering, what is that really weird noise? It's my rooster. He's up, he's doing his job. So um hopefully he won't be too there.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

He is there he is.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

So yeah, so maybe if if people are listening live, it's gonna help them wake up to the rooster crowing, you know. I love it, very organic, very natural.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

Yeah. Well, welcome to Dual Coast. We're excited to have you. It's great, you know, being here together. We know that it's a little bit later than our normal time. Yes, it's 6 30 instead of 5 30. You know, we aim to please on this show, you know. We uh, you know, we we're flexible, you know. I mean, we did a noon podcast at one time, we just did an eight last week, so you know, we're all over the place. So, but we try to be you know as consistent we possibly can at 5 30 so we can have consistency for our listeners. So, did you tell people about listening? Did you tell them you're gonna be on the show and make sure and you know, check in, be up at 6 30 and ready to go? Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

I I told a few people, I also told some people, hey, you know, you can catch it afterwards too.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

So yes, that's they're like, Oh, good, I can still sleep.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

And you know, I got I do, I've got plenty of East Coast friends, so maybe they can listen live.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

There you go. Right on. Well, we're we're happy to have you, Sally. You know, we we haven't known each other that long. We've just been, you know, recently connected, and we'll get into some future stuff that we're gonna be joining together in just uh less than three weeks on. But um, tell us a little bit about who Sally Macklin is and how you got into personal coaching.

unknown 2:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Yeah, well, thanks. And um, yeah, thanks for having me on here. It's really um pretty cool that I get to reach out to your listeners and your watchers. Um, so Sally Macklin, um, I'm, you know, I'm just a regular mom, honestly. That's my first job. I have two boys, adult boys. Um, but about uh, you know, to help me with my sanity, to be honest. Um, about 21 years ago, I I was uh did a yoga and Pilates class. I loved it so much, and I just felt like it was the one time of my um week that I could just like feel calm and serene instead of putting out fires with my two little boys running around. And so I decided, hey, I I want to do this. So I became a fitness instructor. So all these years, it's and it's been such a blessing for me. Um, I feel like it's made me a better mom for sure, um, that I get to go do yoga. And and I just love being able to encourage people. Um, so I I have I don't think I've ever had a bad class. I mean, no matter what. Um, so so that's really cool. I I found that that's really my wheelhouse is encouraging people. But then about 11 years ago, I got invited to do something else that really um gave me so much more ability and power to help people. And that is that I've I'm now am a personal health coach and yes, a metabolic coach. I also wanted to say I I kind of like this uh title too, an empowerment coach. Because that's what I do. And really what I do is I help people reinvent their health just by changing their daily habits that drive metabolic health. Um, because you know, at the end of the day, it's you know, it's it's not what you do um, you know, once or for six weeks, it's what you learn to do every day in and out, and what what becomes like your you know second nature in your life? So that's what I do.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

So 20 so 21 years ago, you attended a class and you got hooked. Is that right? You got hooked. How long did it take for you going through the process of being a student to turning into coaching? How long did that take?

SPEAKER_00 4:52

Well, what happened is the gal that um it's funny you said, I mean, like I haven't thought about this for so long, but um, the gal that taught the class, I actually asked her um if she would come and teach a class for me. This is so funny. I haven't thought about this forever. Um, I was um I was also um, I don't know if you've heard of Mops, mothers of preschoolers, Mops, it's a Christian um preschool support group. So I was an organizer in that, and I asked my friend Tara, would you come and teach yoga to um my ladies in my class? And so because of that, we became friends. Okay, and because we became friends, she's like, hey, you should take training and do this. So the way it worked, um, you know, it's a a program, it's it's called MOSA now, it was called something else back then. But I did a three-day training course, and then, you know, I had to, of course, practice, practice, practice. Um, and then I became I so I teach at a club here in Gresham, Oregon, um, and and also at Portland. Portland's uh a little way over there. Um, and that's uh so it's a it's Cascade Athletic Club, and that's where I've taught this whole time.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

That's amazing. Awesome. Yeah, so did is it a certification you you go through and you get okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Exactly, Russ. It's a certification, and you know, from time to time you have to like recertify or do continuing education.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, it's like uh it's like driving a Tesla car, which I don't, but it driving a Tesla car, whenever you're hands-free, like your eye they check on your eyes to make sure that you're alert, your hands, you gotta, you know, you gotta be in touch every once in a while so that it the car will tell you put your hands on the wheel, just so it knows that you're awake. So it's kind of the same thing, right? You gotta get recertified, you gotta get in there, they gotta make sure that you are still in alignment with you know what you're teaching, what they're teaching you, you know, so to help you. So gotta stay connected, Sally.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

That's a good thing because they might have a lot of drivers asleep in their Teslas if that was the case.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

I have seen that before, actually, on the road.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

That is that scares me. I know down there, you you have a lot of self-driving cars, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:22

Yeah, San Francisco, everywhere. I'm sure New York City. We have Waymo in San Francisco.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

I think New York is a little bit behind on the self-driving. I think San Fran and Northern Cal is a little bit more advanced, but Waymo, I've when I was out by you, I saw Waymo and it's it's on.

SPEAKER_02 7:37

They're everywhere, yeah, they're everywhere. Like literally, literally, you can stand on a corner and wait probably two minutes, every two minutes there's a car driving by. That's wild. Wow, they're everywhere. Yeah. Wild. So, you know, my one and only Tesla story. A little side note is I rented a Tesla one time when I went to Pittsburgh last January. It was minus seven degrees. So I got to the hotel, which is where the car was waiting for me, and they had put the defrost on, and it was dusk. Okay, sun had already set. So I go to the car and I can't get into the car because the doors were frozen shut. Yeah, I couldn't get in. So I'm going in and out of the hotel because it's it's minus seven. I mean, it is cold, right? So I I can't get this car unlocked, even though they had defrosted it for some time. And so I'm in contact with them. It took about 30 minutes, and you know what door opened finally? The trunk. So I put my stuff in the trunk, and now I'm climbing through somebody's car to get to the driver's seat so that I could get in, turn the car on, and then wait for the heater to kind of warm things up, right? So that's my that's my real quick cleft note Tesla story. Oh man. Don't leave a Tesla in minus seven degrees eight. Uh wow, man.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

Elon Musk in the chat, actually, for dual.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

Yeah, you send rockets to space, you can't warm up your car. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

They gotta um they gotta create a special door edge or lock eater. I I hear you, Russ, because you know, uh up here uh we're we're big skiers. Um, and so yeah, like you know, you skied all day, it's it's freezing, the snow is you know pelting down, and you go out to your truck and you try to open it and it won't open. And then like you're hoping you have like a little lighter and you're trying to like and the thing is you gotta put like that grease or Vaseline on your door, but then that's kind of yeah, then you got grease on your hands.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Yeah, yeah, that's not you know, all kinds of problems.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

Can't wait out here.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

Yeah, I love this. We're getting so far off topic.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

Yeah, the the key is is live in Scottsdale, Arizona. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Yes, that's right. Well, yeah, not really.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Sally, let's say uh, you know, somebody you teach comes up to you in class and they want to make this change, they want you to coach them, they want to, you know, make a big change to themselves. What's some of the first practical steps you would have them take in making that change?

SPEAKER_00 10:13

Well, sure, absolutely. And you know, that happens a lot. I mean, I'm you know, when I'm teaching my class, I'm on stage, but I'm usually hanging out, I'm talking to people after class, and I've had a lot of people that are like, you know, um, I'm first of all, they just don't feel comfortable in their own skin.

SPEAKER_03 10:30

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

You know, and um, you know, a lot of people would don't even want to set foot in the gym because they don't like how they look, they don't like how they feel. Um, so you know, honestly, um the first thing is, you know, I I really want to find out where they're at, you know, what is um, you know, kind of their pain points really. Um, and and then what I really want to do is give them hope. Um, because a lot of people, you know, especially if they have it, this isn't like the first time they've, you know, tried to work on their health, tried to lose some weight, and they've done stuff and maybe they had some success, but then, you know, we all have obstacles in our life, right? Um, you know, somebody uh in the hospital, somebody dying, um, financial issues. So, anyways, I want to give people hope. It's like, you know what, you're not broken, you know, you you can we can fix this. And um so that you know, I just want them to imagine or you know, really visualize what they want. You know, what if you I often say this, it's like, you know, gosh, if you could wake up tomorrow and you could have like the the lifestyle and the body and the health that you want, what would that look like? Yeah, and I just get people to dream, you know. And um, I I told Russ this, um, I love they got it right here. Um Tom and Cabots. Uh have you guys heard this, read this book?

SPEAKER_02 12:09

Sure, never read it, but I've heard about it. Heard of it. Nope.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

It's awesome. I will tell you, I was reading it yesterday um at the coffee shop to prepare it for our talk. And uh Barista, she's like, Oh, I love this book, it's so good. And you know what? Uh, we had a conversation and I invited her to our little thing in April. Oh no, anyways, um, so but actually, this my first quote is not um uh damn sclare, it's Henry Ford, and that is whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right. Yeah, you guys know that one, right? So um, and that's the thing is the first thing I would say is I want to give people belief.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

And a lot of times they're they're not there, they don't they can't believe in it. And so as a personal health coach, I'm gonna believe for them. And um, you know, so we talk, I I let them know what I do as a coach and how I might be able to help them and what our program is. And then um, you know, it's always if if they would like to for me to coach them, they're in the driver's seat because I can't want it for them. But what I do, um, kind of answer to your question, Dan, is I try to awaken their own intrinsic motivation to make a change.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Sure. That's good. So, okay, so right now you're speaking to the ones who are in your class, Sally. Okay. You have an audience right now that is all over the place, right? And you're going to have a future audience.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

So you're gonna have a future audience who's gonna hear this platform, they're gonna hear this podcast. So for those who are not going and attending a class, okay, to get help, they're struggling with that decision. What can you help them with right here, right now, in this podcast to get them out of the house, to get them off of the couch, to get them into a class like yours or any class in their community to get them jumpstarted? What would you what would you encourage and say to them today?

SPEAKER_00 14:19

Well, I would say that a large percentage of people just do not know how good they could feel. Um, and we know this, right? That exercise, it's not natural endorphins, um, you know, that saying, right? Um uh I, you know, I had a terrible workout at the gym, said no one ever, right? It's like, you know, it it's it's the the first thing of opening the door and walking in. That's the hardest part, right? Yeah, and especially, gosh, in my in my class that I teach, it's you know, it's a 50-minute um format class. It's like all you have to do is show up and I'm gonna take care of the rest because you know, you're you're not gonna decide, oh, I'm done now. It's like, oh no, the class is not done. Um also, so here's another thing I would tell your viewers is um, and and I hear people say, like, I hate exercise. Well, try to find something that you like, you know. Um, so you know, pickleball is so popular, right? Um, and I feel like one reason it is is because it's a it's doable, right? It's it's easier than tennis. So I guess that's another thing is um pick something that you is is easy enough for you, you know, to feel um confident at. You know, it don't you don't have to have a big challenge. And you know, maybe that looks like you know, just go and find a friend. Oh, that's another thing. Find a friend, or better yet, find a coach, or find a group of people, because we are always better together. That's a big tagline I use a lot. Um, so yeah, that would be another thing, Dan, is that um, you know, don't try to do this by yourself.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

And even uh like the founder of um of my company, which by the way is Optavia. I'm proud to say that. Um, uh Dr. Anderson, he'd say, you know, you're much more likely, like let's say you decide you're gonna start running at 5 a.m. in the morning. Like that would be a tough one for me. But um, you are so much more likely to go if you call your neighbor and say, let's go together.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

Accountability, accountability, absolutely, and that's a really big part of my program, too.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Yeah, that creates drive in a lot of people. And Sally, correct me if I'm wrong here, but kind of what you're saying is you have to correct people's mindset first before you even go to the physical portion of things. You have to kick that fear out of their minds, their judge that judgment out of their minds, where they're gonna come into the gym and feel like it's a safe space, as opposed to them coming in the gym and feeling like they're being judged. So they have to kind of coach their mindset to start. Do you agree with that?

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Absolutely, 100%. And you know, it's sad, right? That um I heard your your uh Chad the other day, Chad Lafever, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 17:23

Yes, yeah. Um, listen to him.

SPEAKER_00 17:27

Pardon?

SPEAKER_03 17:28

Nothing.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

Did I did I misspell it, mispronounce his name?

SPEAKER_02 17:33

It was a conversation that Dan and I had off air going into the talk.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

We didn't know how to say it, so we went.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

Anyways, he was saying about how many. I think he said we have 30,000 negative thoughts. Uh, I don't know if that number is right, but anyways, yeah, I mean, we beat ourselves up, right? Those darn negative voices um that are sitting on your shoulder, um so yeah, you gotta kick fear in the face. And another thing, again, I know I'm at my gym, you know, multiple times a week, and saying up your your listeners out there, if you have this idea that going to, you know, your local fitness club is all gonna be hard bodies and all these, you know, people that are workout addicts, and um, you know, like okay, there might be some there, but by and large, there's lots of people that are very much a work in progress. That's right. Do not be afraid, nobody's judging you. Everybody's just kind of focused on themselves. I do.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

I go there, I judge everybody. No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

You just talk to everybody, Raz. I I bet I bet you have a hard time getting a workout in because you're tough, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Like our buddy Jim.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Yeah, everybody Jim.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

You know, that's how I met him, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:58

Oh, no, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 18:59

At the gym.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

Is that right? Oh, at the gym. Jim at the gym.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Jim at the gym. So um, did I answer your question, Dan?

SPEAKER_01 19:07

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And yeah, I I totally agree with that because I think a lot of people think that that gym is this, like, uh, like you just said, hard-body place where everybody's trained and everybody's experienced, and everybody has these, you know, everybody's been doing this for years type of thing. In all honesty, though, it's kind of the opposite. It's actually more work in progress than it is people who are really experienced. And you know, I've been to a multitude of gyms, all different styles, different, you know, CrossFit, all this stuff. And even so, people are like, oh, you know, they think you've been doing this for years and everything, but it's not the case. There's tons of beginners in every single class I've been to, every single gym I've been into. It's that's absolutely a hundred percent true. Now, when you look at people, Sally, who are coming to you, and in the short term, they're saying, Hey, Sally, I want to get this done, this done, this done, I want to lose weight, I want to get my mindset changed. What would you say allow those people to succeed in a long-term basis as opposed to just that short-term spurt where they're coming to you and saying, I want to make this change quick? What allows those people to succeed in the long term?

SPEAKER_00 20:08

Absolutely. That's a great question, Dan. Um, and honestly, that's kind of what my program is all about. Um, because um it's really, you know, I think I said this before. It's not what you do for a week or six weeks or a couple of months. It's what you your body learns to do naturally going forward. And you know, the program um that that I coach, we actually we have some new terminology. We kind of we our our whole company is kind of doing this rebranding thing, and it's really exciting. Um, I have a shirt on, I don't know if you can see it, but it says, Renew, refine. For your for your uh listeners, they can't see this. It says, yes, reset, renew, refine. So reset is okay, I'm trying to get down to a healthy weight. And so we actually the way our program works, and I hope, you know, here I'll just let you know what we're about. Um, first of all, it's the whole you got it, accountability, having a personal health coach to help you, you know, stay the line, right? Um, second is education. Like you gotta learn uh, you know, what how to show up differently and and you know, different habit patterns. I mean, it's all about changing your habit patterns. Um education about what to eat, of course. Nutrition is a big part of it. Um, we get um so my clients um actually I teach them to eat six times a day, small meals.

SPEAKER_04 21:43

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Um, we want to make it really simple. So five of those are actually prepared for them. That's the beauty of our program, it's so simple. Um, community is huge. Um, you know, we have we actually next week, next week is April. Can you believe that?

SPEAKER_04 21:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:59

Um And we're uh a a team of coaches because um we we work we all work together. I have all sorts of coach friends and we are getting together and doing a metabolic reset, it's kind of accountability focus group. So because we're always gonna be better when we're doing this together and we're with like-minded people, and so um, anyways, uh so that's kind of how it how it goes. And I think I forgot your question, Dan. Whoops.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

So, in terms of like somebody coming to you and they want to make this change, Sally. So say they want to succeed long-term basically.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Exactly. Okay, perfect. Yeah, so that's the thing. So we train people, you know, you know, everything, you know, the more you do it, the more you repeat an action, the more your brain uh, you know, gets used to that. And pretty soon it, you know, it becomes second nature. Um, you know, like if I was a coffee drinker and I started drinking tea every morning, um, you know, after a while, I'd be like, oh that's just what I do now. I and actually, thank you. There's a point I wanted to make. Um, and it's a really big one. It's not about like what you want to do, like, oh, I wanna, I want to get up at 5 a.m. every morning. I want to like be productive first thing. I want to um, it's who you become. So it's really, and that's such a James Clare thing. Um, and in fact, okay, I'm gonna read a little James Clare quote here. Um uh he says, identity is the north star of habit change. The most effective way to change your habits is to focus not on what you want to achieve, but who you want to become. So that's the thing, and that's why um when we very first get started, it's like, okay, here you are right here in your current reality. And you know, your current reality is really basically the sum of the habits and your thoughts. We could get into that too. We will get into that. Um, but this new person, your future self, your 3.0 self, um, they have a different set of habits. Okay, so um and a fundamental um truth that we have at Optivia is is this it's lead from the future, act in the now. That's very classic. Uh that um just what that means is okay, look at that future person. How do they act? How do they show up? You know, what do they eat? What what are their activities? And it's like, okay, if I want to be that person in the future, I gotta start acting like that person now. Yeah, I might not, I won't be that person yet, but I need to really um, you know, that that's that's how you get there, Dan. And that's how you and that how you stay there, well, you know, when it comes to your health, your health is like the laundry, right? It's like you can do it, you get all washed and folded, and it's all good, and then you have to do it next week, too. So I would say that staying in a community of people that are all want the same thing as you. Um, you know, like recently, uh, I went, actually, I was in Dallas. We had a convention, we had this, it was awesome. It's called Awaken. Um, and so of course, you know, we have team dinners. We all go out to dinner, and so we go out and um looking around the table, like there's 20 people around the table, and we're all having you know salad proteins and salads and stuff, and like you know dressing. It's not like it was hard. Like if I had like if I had said, Oh yeah, I'm gonna have chicken fried steak and mashed potatoes, I would have been the uh definitely the odd man out, you know, and so it was not hard to make good choices because I mean, you know, again, it's uh accountability, which is you know, you could say, Oh, you better be on your best behavior around these health coaches, but but it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

So you raise a good point though, because if you're not surrounded by like-minded people, it makes this way harder. Absolutely. Because if you're going out to dinner with people who are not like-minded, everybody else is going to judge you for eating that salad or getting a own dish or something like that. And I I mean, I've experienced this so many times in my life where I've gone out to dinner with people who, you know, not to say they don't care, they still work out and they train everything like that, but I want to stay healthy, I want to try to keep on my regimen, everything like that. And everybody else is like, what are you doing? You know, so it kind of works in the opposite effect sometimes where you're trying to stay on goal and they're not. So surrounding yourself with like-minded people helps so much because you don't feel that judgment as much. Like you didn't feel judged by ordering a salad because everybody else is getting a salad or everybody else is getting grilled chicken or something like that. But if you're in a scenario where people don't care, they're gonna judge you for trying to stay on that regimen. It just I've seen that so many times.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

Well, you know what? Last year at my event in Santa Cruz, I took every all the all the team, the speakers, everybody out to dinner to a pasta place. Okay, that's right. About there was like eight or nine of us. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's just say nine. Eight ordered salads, and I ordered pasta.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

That's correct.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

I'm like, we should have gone to a salad bar.

SPEAKER_04 27:42

That's correct.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Uh, I'm looking around every salad. Yeah, I'll have one, I'll have that. I'll have a salad. You know, it's like, all right, we're not going to pasta again.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

I do recall that was funny. But it's it's just it's just nature of the beast. Like when you go to dinner, nobody's really ordering a healthy dish unless you're surrounded by those people who are doing that. You know, it's just it's how it is. What more are you gonna say, Sally? I cut you off.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Oh, that's okay. Um, you know, I I definitely as coaching my clients, I mean, we talk about what they're facing that week, you know. So um it might be, oh yeah, I've got this big um, you know, birthday party I'm going to, and um or drinking, that's a big one. Yeah. And I always tell people, you know what? Nobody cares what's in their glass. They really don't. You might think they do, but they don't. Um, but I also what my how I coach people, like when they're, you know, there's they're doing program, which I can talk a little bit about what happens when they do, but um they're you know, they're feeling good, they're in Fab Burn. I can talk more about that. But um, so I tell them, okay, go to this thing and tell the people around you, especially like if they compliment you, hey, you're looking good. Oh, have you lost a little weight? And I tell them, say, hey, say, yeah, you know what? I am I'm really focused on my health right now. I'm working with a coach and I've I've lost 10 pounds, and I um, you know, so I'm just gonna be uh ordering, you know, I I won't be eating the dessert and thank you for supporting me in that. And I tell them that don't ask. Don't don't ask forgiveness or excuse yourself, just be bold and just say, thank you for supporting me. And I mean, okay, you'd you'd really have to be um okay, I don't want to swear on on your thing, but you know, can I say asshole? You have to be a real asshole.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Wait, you're supposed to ask permission first. I'm just I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

You'd have to be a real stinker to um to like challenge that, right?

SPEAKER_01 30:01

Yeah, sure, sure.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

And more likely that person would say, Oh no, that's awesome. That's great, good for you. I'm glad you're doing it. And maybe even what are you doing? And hey, maybe I can join you. So um, I like, you know, again, that's an empowerment, right? It's like I want people to like, hey, you know what, I'm doing this for me, and uh, no apologies, and and you don't need to just like you know, you didn't you don't need to apologize for eating pasta breasts, and solid people didn't need, you know, like you just endeavored.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

I was not apologizing, he's not apologetic.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Okay, yeah, and I'm sure you enjoyed your pasta.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

I enjoyed my meal, I loved it.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

You know what? I don't want lettuce.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

I think I saw I'm gonna get a second dish of pasta, actually.

SPEAKER_00 30:49

I I do want to say this too. I am not the food police. Yeah, I don't I don't ever judge my clients or or anyone. Um, it's just because everything is a choice, right? Yep, it's not it's not cheating. I hate that word, cheating. Um, it's just a choice. And you know, it's a choice that either leads you towards your goal or takes you away from it. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Absolutely. So, you know, people follow a lot of fads. They go with the rage, they go with what's happening. You get in, you dive into the hard work, you you help them, you coach them, you analyze them, you lift them up, you build them up, you actually tear them down and build them back up, right? You want to you wanna you know help them maybe lose weight, you want to help them refine their bodies, you want to help help them in their minds, their thinking. Well, we all know that for the last little bit, the rage is GLP ones and peptides. Yes, exactly. People love a little bit more of the quick fix. It's like going to you know McDonald's, right? We'll just do something quick, and we get in, we get out, we're go, right? Tell tell everybody your take and the difference between what you focus on, the GLP ones, and the rage, and you know what what's your take on? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Sure, that is a great question because everybody, uh you're right, that's the shiny object right now, has been for a few years. Um, so in the beginning, um, when like, oh, you know, we didn't really know even know kind of what that what this was, and it was like the the start, we were like, don't do that shot. No, it's not the right way. But you know, honestly, you can't if you can't be in them, join them. Um, and so I want to say this we uh are not against GLP once, not at all. Um it's a tool. And actually, here's the way uh I like to say it. Um so, and actually I want to explain what my program does to be able to compare that. So, what I help people do is I help people um restrict their calories just enough, just the right calorie deficit, as we say, um, to get them in a mild fat-burn state. And that's something we're like really getting more and more into um about healing your metabolism. Um, so what happens, uh like I'll have a client that starts, they um, you know, they're eating less. Um, and what happens is instead of having the sugars in their their food be their fuel, their body turns to their fat stores. And it really only takes about three days for that to happen. So when you make that shift, I could call it to ketosis, but that's kind of a a lot of times ketosis is pretty harsh. We want it gentle, just a gentle fat bird. So we don't even like use that word. Um people that's the secret sauce of how the weight comes off so fast because people are literally melting the fat off them, and that is a big thing too about our program is that we are targeting just the fat because we um, you know, you want to protect your muscle. Um, that's because it's some wrestle that burns calories, right? So, anyways, so that is the desired effect is that we get people in that fat burn stage, the weight's coming off, plus when um you're when your body's getting that really good fat energy, you feel great. In fact, I after all this time, I feel like I can on the phone, I can hear in people's voices when they're in fat burn or not. I can just tell. Um, I also can tell because they tell me that they just cleaned out their basement or they power wash their front drive. Like they are ready to go, they're feeling energetic, they wake up, they jump out of bed. That's what fat burn looks like.

SPEAKER_03 35:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:01

So um that's awesome. But some people it's just so let's say that that's like a little little garden shovel, right? Um, so but for some people that's just not enough because there's that food noise. Um, they think about food constantly, they have food addictions because that's a real thing, definitely. Yeah, um, you know, also um mental, you know, people definitely eat food, not just to nurse their bodies, but for emotional, you know, numbing with food, all of that. So for some people, you know, it sounds great, but it just doesn't work.

SPEAKER_04 35:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

So in that case, it's like, okay, our little garden shovel is not doing the job. Let's get a big old, you know, uh snow shovel. Um, and that's GLP1. It's like, okay, we need a bigger tool. We're gonna shut down your hunger. Yeah, um, we're gonna make it so you know, we're bringing the big guns so that you can get that uh achieve what you want. Yeah, yeah. So, and and so we're like, okay, great. And you know, also GLP ones are getting better and better all the time. They're doing the compounds. Um, so I am not against GLP1s, our company is not. Um, I just feel I would rather that people try it with the little garden shell first and see if that's gonna work.

SPEAKER_03 36:33

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Um, the other big thing about GLP1, and and so again, like I said, can't beat him, join them. Um we, you know, if you just use a GLP1, you turn off your hunger, you just keep eating whatever you want, you haven't changed anything. Right, right. You your habits have not changed. So we actually now have a special GLP1 support plan. It's like, okay, if you're gonna use it, fine. That you know, we'll incorporate that into what you're doing, but you still need to learn about how healthy habits. And it's not just what you eat, too. It's like having good sleep, having good exercise, having good stress relief. The mental part is huge, you know, changing your relationship with food. So we come alongside people that are doing GLP1 and say, hey, we wanna, you know, you're spending all this money and you know, a big investment doing these shots because they're not cheap. You know, we ask this question, how soon do you want to gain that weight back? And um, I definitely I've had clients that they've done my program years ago, they lost their weight, they didn't get this part, they didn't make the mindset shift, um, they didn't change their identity, and then they gained their way back when something hard came along. Um, they went on GLP1, they did that for a while, and then they had to stop. Maybe they got sick from the shot, or it was too expensive, and they stopped and they gained all their way back or and more. Because another thing with GLP1 is that I mentioned to you that our program is very careful about targeting bat and protecting muscle. Well, actually, Optivia has recently done a study um that showed that typically with GLP1 users, about 40% of their weight is actually muscle. So that's kind of bad news because if you're losing your muscle, you know, the fat, as as people have shown, the fat comes on pretty quick. Yes, again. Yeah, muscle, not so much, and then if you you know um have less muscle, you're burning less calories. So it's like you know, if you start off with a certain percentage of muscle, you lose the muscle, you lose lose the fat, then you gain the fat back, but not the muscle, you're behind in the game, right?

SPEAKER_03 39:08

Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

So that's kind of my thoughts about GLP1. You gotta keep working out. Can be good, it can be a good tool, but it requires some management to uh for people to have long-term effects.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

Sure, that's awesome. Very well said. I think there's also a misconception about eating clean, I think, at the same time, too. I I hate to say dieting because people people very very tattooed.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

I hate that word. I do not like diet.

SPEAKER_01 39:35

I usually say eating clean or something along those lines. But people have this misconception that you have to, you know, eat in this regimen all the time. You could still have your meals and everything like that if you want to have this meal and that meal. So long as you're in a caloric deficit, you will still lose weight. People think that, oh, um, you know, I can't have this at night because I, you know, I you know, uh it's bad for you. Yes, it may be not the healthiest food, but so long as you remain in a caloric deficit and you're in this state of as you as you call it somewhat of ketosis, we're not gonna say ketosis, but somewhat of ketosis, you will still lose weight. You know, and that's this misconception that people have. It's like, oh, I can't eat that. Yeah, maybe it's not the best thing for you, but so long as you're still in that calorie range, let's say you're in this, you know, 1800 to 2000 calorie range right now, so long as you're sitting there, you're okay. You know, people think like, oh, I can't touch that. Like that's not always the case, and I think that leniency sometimes allows people to excel more than you know, regress at the same time because they could see that themselves, all right. Listen, I could have this, you know, twice a week, and that may help them actually propel themselves as opposed to regress all the time. You agree with that?

SPEAKER_00 40:46

Kind of okay, tell me. Um, so yeah, um, you know, again, everything's a choice.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Um, and you know, like like people that go on trips, you know, I'm like, well, you know, if you're eating just because you need to fuel your body, because that happens, like with my clients, they're get used to eating six times a day.

SPEAKER_03 41:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

After two to three hours, they're gonna be hungry. So, you know, so it's like, hey, you know what? If if it's just I got I gotta fuel my body, then uh the products we have, the fuelings are great. If it's like, oh, it's a special, you know, it's my my my parents' 50th wedding anniversary, it's like, well, then yeah, you're gonna wanna go and be social and you know, make choices, and you know, so um, but as far as I want to speak to staying in a calorie deficit, that's one thing um, you know, that I coached my clients, it's like, hey, we're gonna make this really simple for you. You have five we actually call them fuelings, not meals, and it's a mindset thing. It's like, hey, you're fueling your body. Um, we make it easy for people. It's it's not we don't want people to feel deprived. We have things like brownies. Okay, we we have like I have cereal, I've got you know, it's it's not like you're gonna be getting cardboard, but um thing is when you get in that calorie deficit, you're feeling good, you're you're like my typical client would be losing depending where they start. Like, let's say I have somebody at 250 pounds, yeah. Like six to eight pounds loss in the first week is typical, right?

SPEAKER_03 42:37

Yep, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

But I want my job for them, especially in those first couple weeks, the month, is I want them to get in that fat burn and stay there. We actually call it guarding the burn, right? So um, so and you know, yeah, I mean, if you have a piece of chocolate cream crime, that is gonna throw you out. And I'm sorry, it is. Yeah, yeah. And um, so what I I always tell people when they're doing my program is like um modified plan, modified results.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 43:19

And like again, I don't want to be a food. I will tell you, you know, if you if you eat this, you will be out of fat burn. And what I I hate is when people are like almost but not quite in fat burn. Because to be honest, that like kind of sucks, right? It's like and and and you're almost but not quite feeling that great energy. And right, so you know, I just tell people it's like, you know, you are committing, this is an investment you're doing, you're committing to your health. And again, that question it's like, hey, is this eating this or you know, taking that walk or whatever? Is it Getting me closer to my goal or not? Okay. And it's just a question. I do, you know, when I so I, you know, I meet weekly with my coaches just on or my clients on the phone. We go over, you know, how was your week? What what happened, you know, what was good, what obstacles did you have? And we learn from them, right? You know, um when something when they make a choice that's not getting them towards their goal, it's like, hey, you know what? You got to learn. And um, so yeah. So I don't know. I I guess I'm uh somewhat disagreeing with you. It just depends on what people want. But again, they are in the driver's seat, not me. Um and and that, and you know what actually that gets me to a point I wanted to make, and that is um just personal responsibility is so huge. Um, you know, it's like there is one person, I'm pointing to the viewer here, one person that is in charge of your health, and that is you. You and you you can't make, you know, like can't make excuses, and you know, the the results of your habits you wear on your body.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 45:21

Yep, absolutely. You know, Sally, coming up in just under three weeks, you and I are gonna be on stage together. Dan's gonna be on the big screen above us, looking down as if he's gone. Uh, we're gonna be in Portland, we're gonna be at the Eleanor in downtown Portland in the Pearl District. We're gonna be on stage, we're gonna be talking about some of this stuff in a podcast at Impact Portland today. Part of that, the focus of that event, uh, is go is all about reinventing themselves. People reinventing themselves in health and wellness. Can you just give us a little snippet of ways? And I know that you have over these last 45 minutes, but let's say somebody's gonna attend that event, um, or they're not, you know, they're out of the country or whoever's listening to this, right? But would give them some simple steps of how people can reinvent themselves in 2026 when it comes to health and wellness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

Sure. And I just have to say that I'm really excited about this whole concept. I feel like, I feel like our country's in revival. I feel like we've been like wonker walking around in the desert and it it's coming. People are really waking up and saying, yeah, yeah, it's time to do this. This is not good. We need to do better. And also, I'm excited to be part of this event. And um, again, I'd been trying to listen to some of your other guests, and I feel like we're kind of all singing the same song, but just in a different language or a different dialect. We have um, but it's the theme's all the same. So I'm looking forward to hearing some of your other speakers. And but as far as reinventing your health, you know, that's that's really what I do. I have people come to me, uh, that's what I help them with. The first thing is okay, where are you? You know what? You gotta have brutal self-evaluation. Where are you at right now? And what are the habits that got you there? You know, um, and that's something, you know. I actually have like an assessment that um I send to people when they when we're talking about working together. So it's the first thing it's like you gotta know where you're at, and that's the hard part.

SPEAKER_02 47:33

That's that's not easy for people to answer.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

Yeah, you know, exactly being honest with yourself. I mean, a lot of people honestly, that's the first step, being honest with yourself. Because um, yeah, I got all these other sort of voices going on. Um, and then the second thing, which I did mention before, is know where you want to go. Like what, okay, what's my goal? Um, we have this thing called structural tension. It's like, okay, here's here's where you're at, here's where you want to be. What are the little steps to get there? So um, and then, you know, uh, I think I said this, um the belief. Belief that you can actually do that. And um, again, as a coach, I lend my belief to uh people. Like so many people when they start my program, they're really skeptical. They're like, I don't know, you know, this works for everybody else, but I don't know about you me. So um, and it's just a simple process. And and so that's another thing. Don't try to change everything, you know. It's like we just got a um a James Clear again, like, you know, the one one percent, if you can get one percent better than you were yesterday, that one percent is gonna compound. Yeah, and that's another thing. Big thing is when I when I work with people, like I want to help them find wins. Sure, that's great, and that that's a big thing. So I believe you told me, Russ, um, that at our event you're gonna give everybody a little journal. Oh, yeah, always and that's a big thing too, writing stuff down. Um, even just writing things down is like you're accountable to yourself because you can go back and you can see what you said about yourself. Um and so um yeah, to write down your goals and then where's I going with that? Um, oh yeah, wins. So um even like even if you had a really horrible day and like everything went wrong, like I like okay, let's let's go ahead and find the wins though. There that'd be something that went right. Let's focus on that. Um, and then you know, because when you do that, you build you build confidence and trust with yourself.

SPEAKER_04 50:01

Sure. Makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 50:02

And so a little bit over time, and you know, again, uh with coaching, having somebody or accountability partner, um I would probably have to say that I'm kind of a cheerleader, you know. Um, and you know, I've I have taught people off the cliff, cliff meaning quitting, because that's like you everything there's no such thing as failure, right? It's just all progress and feedback unless you quit. So I I keep people from quitting. Um, and then the other thing I would say, Dan, is um you gotta join people, like-minded people. You gotta don't do it uh by yourself. Yeah, you know, find people that are gonna support you in what you you know what you want to achieve.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

So for more of James Clare quotes, but um you might want to read this book. Um, I don't know if he'll give me credit for like promoting. And I I mean honestly, okay. I heard a podcast the other day. Uh, it was really awesome. A woman, um, I forget her name, Debbie, somebody, um, talking about identity. It was super powerful, but it was it was James Claire. So I'm gonna give him credit. I'm not gonna tell you I thought of it. So did that answer your question, Dan? Yeah, reinventing and just getting excited, getting excited about um, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do this. Um, and and you're worth it. Because so many people have this um subliminal message, maybe from childhood. You know, there's a reason we do the things we do. Yeah, people that are have 400 pounds of excess weight, um, there's a reason that they do what they do, right? Right, and you know, and a lot of times that you know, sometimes that is a deep dive. It's like, okay, what is going on that I feel compelled to do the things that I do. Sometimes they're destructive, and sometimes you gotta just really dig into that.

SPEAKER_03 52:11

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 52:12

Um, I am not a psychologist, but um, but definitely uh, you know, uh again, going back to Dr. Anderson, the founder of Optidia, my company, um, you know, he says that 80% of what ails um America is is emotional mismanagement.

SPEAKER_03 52:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:35

So sometimes that's that's a another step, is like, let's look at why again, this is self-evaluation, right?

SPEAKER_02 52:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 52:45

But anyways, I'm really hoping that I will be able to inspire people um to reinvent themselves and you know, say draw that line in the sand. And and and that's the thing too. It's like when you are you're you're not willing to stay where you are, yeah. You you want more in your life. It's like, you know, there's gotta be more than this. Like, I'm and so many people, it's like they're they have could have so much better potential if they weren't restricted by their health. And I also want to say this too, it's not about your health now, and that's a a big shift that we're having actually. It's about what is the last portion of your life gonna look like.

SPEAKER_01 53:33

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

We talk about this term of um health span versus lifespan. Life span is the time from your being born to when you die. Health span is the time between you know when you you're born and when you still can get up and enjoy life and you know, make contributions to society and yeah, and the people around you, you know, a lot of times it's not about just about you, it's like you gotta take you know, so many parents.

SPEAKER_03 54:07

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 54:08

I actually have um, oh I know we're getting a little close to the deadline here, but one little story. I have a client, um, he's a young man in Texas, actually, and um he's 28 years old, and um he came to me, he was 20, 260 pounds, and I have helped him since January. He messaged me, he's like, he was down to 218. Wonderful, and I am so happy for him. Um I'm gonna call him Mark, that's not his name, but anyways, um client's uh uh confidentiality, right? Um, but Mark told me he's he has two little kids, and he's like, I'm not just doing this for me. Uh you know, you know, my I do this for my wife so that you know I'm gonna be around for her and definitely my kids. Plus, and I will say that's something I have seen in my life, it's about the legacy we leave for our kids, right?

SPEAKER_01 55:07

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 55:09

So he's thinking about his little four-year-old and two-year-old, like, you know, he wants to be the best dad for them and teach them healthy habits so that they're not gonna be dealing with obesity and diabetes at age 15, which sadly is happening now.

SPEAKER_02 55:24

Yeah, yep, yep, yep, that's awesome. Amazing. Well, Sally, thank you for coming on to Dual Coast and being a part of our show. Uh, amazing. Yeah, absolutely. Appreciate your insight. The rooster kind of went quiet. Yeah, I was awake at 6 30, and then I don't know what happened. Uh, but you know, he's got 12 hands around him. So um, but we I just want to say thank you. Uh, you're such a blessing, and what you're doing in your community and around the globe is impacting lives. You're helping reinvent people in their walk, you're helping them to identify who they are, where they are, and where they want to go. And I know that the listeners today and in the future who are gonna hear this podcast are gonna learn greatly from all of your insights uh today. So thank you for coming on to Dual Coast and uh sharing your message of hope for us.

SPEAKER_00 56:20

Thank you. Well, I really I do hope that whoever's listening or watching, um, I can just give you hope because there is hope. And even if you know you've got like a lot of issues, you're on medications, you got massive uh metabolic dysfunction, we can reverse that.

SPEAKER_02 56:39

Sure, yeah, absolutely. And where can people find you? Yeah, Sally.

SPEAKER_00 56:43

Oh, I knew you were gonna ask me that. Like, well, I don't have a website of my own. Um, I have um an email address, and also Facebook is kind of like my storefront. Um, so if you're uh Facebook, um I am Sally Thompson Macklin. And um what should I give my um email address?

SPEAKER_02 57:09

Or they can they can just DM you on on there on Facebook and then you can go from there.

SPEAKER_00 57:13

Just gonna send me a message. Um I'm always on there. Um Instagram too. I don't even know what my thing is. Sally Macklin.

SPEAKER_03 57:22

Sally Mac Sally Maclin.

SPEAKER_00 57:24

I kind of like I do Facebook and it and it goes over to Instagram, you know how that works.

SPEAKER_03 57:28

Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:29

So, anyways, but um, or you can I don't know, contact Rest. He knows where to find me. Absolutely I do, but I should say that I do work with people all over uh the country, like you know, it doesn't matter what state you're in, and I'm gonna say this. Uh I think I can say this soon, very soon, we are gonna be going outside the US, we're gonna be international. So that's gonna be a big thing for our company. Big things, big things are happening for Optivia.

SPEAKER_02 58:01

Um that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 58:02

Yes, you're gonna be hearing about us.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

Thank you so much. Dan, tell us about our show. Where is it gonna be at?

SPEAKER_01 58:09

Yes, so Sally, thank you so much again. I hope everybody learned a lot today. We talked about you know determination, dieting, what a metabolic health coach does. I hope everybody got a great lesson today. Please check us out at Dual Coast Podcast on all social media handles. Please listen to us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music. Please check out Sally on Facebook at Sally Thompson. You said Thompson Macklin. And please check her out on Instagram at Sally Macklin. Sally, thank you so much again for being with us. We will see everybody next week.