Finding Your Way Back to Yourself with Dr. Kate Steiner | The Return

Most people don’t realize they’re burned out…because it doesn’t always look like burnout.

It looks like showing up.  Getting things done.  Checking all the boxes.

But underneath…something feels off.

In this episode of the Delay the Binge™ Podcast, Pam Dwyer sits down with Dr. Kate Steiner to explore the concept of quiet burnout, the slow, subtle disconnection that builds over time.

This conversation isn’t about dramatic breakdowns.

It’s about the small, everyday moments that quietly drain you…and how to find your way back.

What You’ll Learn:

•  the difference between burnout and quiet depletion
•  what “burn events” are and how they impact your day 
•  why pushing through actually makes things worse 
•  how micro-recovery moments change everything 
•  the connection between the pause and nervous system regulation 
•  why motivation isn’t something you wait for, it’s something you create 
•  how small, daily steps rebuild momentum 
•  what it really means to “become” yourself again 

Key Takeaway

You’re not broken.

You may just be disconnected.

And the way back isn’t fixing everything all at once—
 it’s learning how to pause, reconnect, and choose differently…
 one moment at a time. 

Connect with Dr. Kate Steiner

Website: https://drkatesteiner.com

Instagram: @drkatesteiner
Podcast: Feeling Crispy: From Burnout to Recovery

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And remember, You don’t have to fix everything.

You just have to pause long enough to choose differently.

Transcript

When Life Looks Fine Outside

SPEAKER_00 0:00

You ever have one of those moments where everything looks fine on the outside? You're showing up, getting things done, but something just feels a little off. Not broken, not falling apart, just not quite yourself. That's what we're talking about today. Not burnout in the big dramatic sense, but the quiet, everyday version that builds over time. And how you actually find your way back from it. Welcome back to the Delay the Binge podcast, where we learn how to pause long enough to break patterns, reconnect with ourselves, and choose differently. One moment at a time. Today I'm joined by Dr. Kate Steiner, mental health therapist, consultant, speaker, author, and CEO of Lyft Wellness Consulting. She supports professionals in overcoming burnout through a proven reflection and developmental process, holding a master's of counseling and a PhD in counselor education and supervision. Her work is grounded in the research-based Steiner Self-Reflective Sustainability and Wellness Model, published in the Journal of Sorority and Fraternity Life Research and Practice. As a lifetime researcher in wellness and burnout, she

Meet Dr. Kate Steiner

SPEAKER_00 1:20

is the author of Feeling Crispy, a guide to burnout recovery, and hosts the Feeling Crispy from Burnout to Recovery podcast. Her mission is to end the burnout cycle for professionals so they can live happier, healthier lives. She spent years studying burnout and helping professionals recover from it. But what makes this conversation so powerful is that she's lived it, not just studied it, but walked through a season where she didn't quite feel like herself and found her way back. Kate, I'm so glad you're here. Welcome. Thank you for having me, Pam. I'm so delighted to be here with you today. Gosh, I am too. I'm so excited. So I always love to start here because it I find it so interesting to see what you're doing right now. Like what are you most passionate about right now?

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah. Right now it's really, I think a good portion of my life is is still about helping others and walking along the path of others who are having just difficult times in their life. So, you know, a lot of my work right now is in the mental health space as a therapist. And so walking alongside individuals who are maybe experiencing how childhood trauma is impacting them as an adult in their relationships, or maybe they've had an incident where they've kind of always felt pretty good, but something's happened in their life and now things just aren't clicking. They're, you know, maybe they're experiencing some depression, some of those burnout pieces. And so I think that that's really where a lot of my like current passion has has lied. And then of course, just the general and continued focus on my own mental health and well-being and overall ways of showing up in the world and how my own world impacts me.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

So I love that so much because I grew up in a very dysfunctional childhood, abusive. And I, gosh, probably about eight years of counseling I've been into, but mental health professionals are my heroes. I mean, I would not be where I'm at today if I had not talked with someone that could help me. And so I just really admire what you do. It's also interesting to me because so often the work we're passionate about comes from something we've talked through ourselves. You know, we've we've been through it, we've done it, and it has led us to a place of where we want to help others that are going through the same thing. So I know burnout is a big part of your work. Was

The Day Burnout Showed Up

SPEAKER_00 4:05

there a season where you realized something's not quite right?

SPEAKER_01 4:09

I've actually had multiple like seasons, I would say, where I didn't feel quite like myself, or I just things weren't going, you know, quite as quite in the way I hoped they would, or I was feeling overwhelmed or stressed, or, you know, had times in my life where it's the kind of I was stuck in a like a push-through uh cycle. But the one that is most prominent for me, and I think that I base a lot of my work on now is happened in 2013, uh December 2013. And it was a moment where I just really truly realized that I had over probably the course of the last the year prior to that, had become like the worst version of myself. And so I was having, I was actually having a great day. I had um defended the written comps for um my PhD program and had been given like the green light to move ahead and start my dissertation research and all of those kinds of things. So really all I wanted to do that day was celebrate. And it was a really bitterly cold day. This was in Wyoming, so super cold day at the end of the day. I had gone outside to um meet my partner at the time, um, had asked him to come pick me up, and stood outside in the frigid cold for probably close to 20, 25 minutes before he finally showed up. And in that time frame, like with every moment that passed, like that elation and the celebration and the joy that I felt was just gone. It just shifted right into anger. And so I was pretty pissed off by the time he pulled up and cold. I was pissed and cold. And so I got in the car and he doesn't even say anything to me. He's on the phone with someone else. We started to kind of head out of the parking lot, and I I lost it. Like I completely lost all sense of just everything around me, and I lashed out, not a tenth, but I did hit the dashboard um with my hand, and then I hit it with my other hand. He then looked at me and was like, I think he said something to the effect of why don't you just calm down or why are you acting this way? Which didn't help me feel any better or calm down at all.

unknown 6:32

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Not the most helpful phrase. And in that moment, that's when I was like, oh my gosh, like I don't I don't want to be this person. Um this is this is like a terrible version of myself, and I don't like this version of myself, and I don't like the way I'm feeling right now. And so the next day, um, you know, I did what you're supposed to do when you're in a counseling program. I scheduled a counseling appointment and was like, I've gotta start working through this because yes, work was super taxing at the time, and that relationship was very taxing at the time, and my PhD program was very taxing at the time, but there was also like something else, and it was the buildup of I think all of those things and the overwhelm and the stress and the fact that I had been pushing myself through all these things for at least a year, if not.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

And it builds up over time, correct? That's been my experience too. It just I just keep pushing it down, ignoring it, and it just keeps building.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

So next, like next was was I started counseling and so started doing the work to kind of find and regain my joy to figure out what daily recovery looked like. That was a really big piece in that I was it was no longer waiting for the when I had time to rest. It was creating those spaces throughout the day, creating spaces um in my day that I could rest and recover, recreating spaces within my, within my week, within, and sometimes it was like, when's a bigger recovery time to do? And that meant, you know, maybe I got away, maybe I had a vacation, but it really became about kind of like the daily things that I did so that I wasn't continuing to like just pile on and pile on and pile on to stuff that and leaving the that relationship what also ended up being a pretty big factor, but okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Relationships. I look back at all of mine and I'm like, man, what did I learn from that?

SPEAKER_01 8:43

It was it's definitely a learning experience.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

Well, and it's interesting because I think a lot of people don't even call that burnout at first. They they just think they're tired or off or they just need to take a vacation.

Early Signs We Miss

SPEAKER_00 9:00

The early signs are there, but we don't tend we don't recognize them at the time. Did you I mean, what were some of the early signs you didn't recognize at the time?

SPEAKER_01 9:10

Yeah, so and I will be honest, like uh I had already been studying burnout, wellness, longevity, all of these things. I was very much in the research of that because that was a big part of my PhD program, and I was interested in it um for a long time prior to that. I didn't call it burnout. Um, I was I was overwhelmed, I was stressed, I was in a bad relationship, um, or at least an unhealthy relationship. We just brought out the worst in each other. But so I think some of the things looking back that I had missed were um I really noticed this when I look at pictures of myself from the time, and that uh and it was my smile, right? So I would smile, but it wouldn't go all the way up to my eyes. So it was just it was kind of very much going through the motions of life, but not actually participating in life. And so looking back, I think I realized that I wasn't feeling present a lot of the times. I was either thinking of what had happened before kind of past stuff, or I was worrying about future stuff, so kind of that future anxiety, thinking those kinds of things. Um like sleep wasn't great. So definitely either feeling super fatigued, not being able to sleep, or wanting to just sleep all the time was a piece of that, um, just some general anxiety of feeling like I wasn't doing enough or I should be doing. There was a lot of shoulds in my life. You should be this, you should be that, you should. So a lot of shoulding on myself are some of the things that I now kind of utilize and like, okay, when I notice them now, it's like, okay, I need to regroup and kind of think about like what is my day-to-day recovery looking like? And I am I missing some things. Um, the other thing is just a very physical response, and that was like extreme tension in my shoulders. And that's a big one for me now. If I notice that I'm going through the day and my shoulders are up by my ears all the time or like the entire day, and I have to like consciously relax, I know that it's it's a time that I need to probably reassess and kind of regroup on what my own recovery plan looks like.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

Right. And I can so relate to that. You you talk about something I love

Burn Events Expected And Unexpected

SPEAKER_00 11:35

and they're burn events, the small everyday moments that slowly drain you. And it's so similar to what we discuss on this podcast, which is quiet depletion, which it affects mostly women, and it is because we're checking off all the boxes, we're doing all the things with our career, with our family, with all of it, and we're just slowly depleting or mentally exhausted. What's an example of a burn event that people might completely overlook?

SPEAKER_01 12:05

Yeah. So I actually refer to burn events as like two, like we have two types of burn events. So we have those expected burn events. So these are the things that are all like they're on your calendar. You could look at your calendar and you're like, oh, I know that's gonna be a tough day.

unknown 12:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Because maybe you have a meeting with an individual that you just don't get along with and you still have to go through the meeting, or maybe you have a project due. Um, or when I'm talking with college students, it's like that heavy, that heavy test week or kind of finals, those kinds of things. Um, but you can look at your calendar and just it's like it's that moment you look at your calendar and you're like, today is gonna be a day, or that's gonna like that meeting is gonna, that's gonna drain me. So we all have those expected burn events. And then there's the unexpected things, right? These are the things that kind of catch us off guard. So one thing that um for me that can occur is like I know that travel is something that is very draining for me, even though I really enjoy it and I have a lot of fun, and I'm often going someplace to either uh speak with an audience or work with folks, or I'm going someplace to like visit family or enjoy time with friends. Like I'm looking forward to it, but I also know it's draining. And so I do there is a little bit of an expected burn event with that. An unexpected burn event that comes along with travel are things like a travel delay or a weather issue. Um, I once got stuck in Miami because of a hurricane. So it's just like things like it came up and you just have to manage it. And or how you react to it. So those unexpected things are things that just kind of pop up that sometimes you can you know, I call it the expected, unexpected burn event. You know it's gonna happen, but you don't know exactly when. Right. Or there are the ones that just completely catch you off. So I really encourage folks to kind of like look at both. Like look at the calendar, look at the ones you know are coming because we can kind of prep for those, and then we can plan our recovery immediately following them. And then the unexpected events, that's when we want to kind of think about what does our day-to-day recovery look like so that we're building some resilience for ourselves so that when they come up, we know how to react to them.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Yes. I would always say, my daughter, she's she's 30 now, but when she was a teenager, she's she's very much like a perfectionist. So when things would come would surprise, you know, things that she hadn't planned would happen. I would always just tell her, okay, just lean into it. Like you're whole, like you're leaning into the door to open, you know, keep to keep it from opening. And that became our little signal, you know, for her to, you know, have less anxiety about the whole thing. And also my son is this is where I I so related to this because I I read somewhere when I was researching your work, um, that when you are tired or hungry, you can turn into a bit of a grumpy toddler.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

Yes, I absolutely am a grumpy toddler. I need a snack or a nap. And people who Well, my son is the same way.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

We always look, you're hangry, Kyle.

unknown 15:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

Yeah. I, you know, it's it's really funny. Like my husband knows this about me. He's spent enough time with me now that he can he like he recognizes like hangry Kate and when she is coming out. And so he, if when we're traveling together, specifically if we're traveling together, he he has snacks. Oh, like just in case. Like I also travel with snacks. I know this about myself. I know I have to eat, I know I need sleep. So I try to prep for that and be okay. But he is he's he's like just like in case of emergency break snickers kind of person. So he kid on hand, right? And and I've I've caught friends off guard um with my grumpy toddler hood because um they're they're like, man, you just sh like that

Snacks, Sleep, And Fast Snaps

SPEAKER_01 16:10

was a complete shift and it was so fast. And I was like, it wasn't fast. I that was a good hour of me leading into that before I like before I snapped, but you just saw the snap.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

Yes, yes. And and he is the exact same way. We we keep snacks all over the place when we travel with him. And it really does calm him down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Yeah. No, it's a it's a very effective recovery strategy for me. It's like and and if I'm having kind of a grumpy toddler moment, it I one of the first things I'll ask myself is, do you need a snack or do you need a nap or do you need both?

SPEAKER_00 16:48

I love that so much because it's not like a big breakdown. It's the small, like it was, like you said, it was happening over an hour. It's the small moments that build over time, which is very similar to what I talk about with the pause, the moment where you can interrupt a pattern before it happens or before it continues. Do you see that connection? Like, do you utilize the pause

Micro Recovery And The Pause

SPEAKER_00 17:15

in your work? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

So I think I I refer to, I would say the pause is what I refer to as recovery moments, and that you have recovery moments like throughout your day. And you do it as far as like I talk about doing a recovery in like micro steps, right? So it's in these small little pockets throughout your day that you're just taking a moment to really be present. So a lot of mindfulness in that and just kind of pause, slow down, and focus on like one thing. So I often will give the example of like brushing my teeth. So I used to be one of those folks that in when brushing my teeth, like I would start, I have an electric brush, so I would start brushing my teeth, and then I would like try to get other stuff done, like running through the house trying to do other things while I'm brushing my teeth, and all I would end up doing is like spitting on my shirt and making a mess or not doing a great job brushing my teeth, and I never really got anything else done. So now I use that as one of like my recovery moments, and I just am present and focused on brushing my teeth, and I think about the smell of the toothpaste, the taste of the toothpaste, the feel of it on my mouth. I really focus on like brushing all four quarters of my mouth. And I have a post-it note on my mirror that I read while I'm doing that. So it's just a very and it's and it's like a two-minute part of my day twice a day that I just focus in on that one thing. And that, even if that's all I can get in in the day, can make a huge difference in just kind of slowing down and reconnecting with myself.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

Using the senses to inspire yourself to act, because I'm a stickler about that. Everyone waits for the motivation to do something that they are struggling with. But really you you you need to act first, and then the motivation happens. I I do a lot of visualization for myself, from from brushing my teeth to eating what's what I know serves me versus what doesn't. You know, and my biggest challenge is just moving my body. I I know why, I know all the reasons why I need to do it. And if I don't, what happens? What's the consequence? But I still struggle with it every day. I just gotta force myself to get out there. But once I start walking or doing working out, then I'm like, I'm so glad I did this.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that you kind of brought up like the feeling of motivation, right? And so I've started thinking about motivation a little bit differently over the years because we used to think about it in terms of like, it's this resource,

Motivation As An Emotion

SPEAKER_01 20:05

right? You either have it or you don't. And now I really think of it more in terms of like it's one of our emotions. And the cool thing about our emotions is that we can actually direct and kind of call in different emotions and have a little more control over what our emotions are. So you talked about like the visualization and how like that can kind of create space for different emotions. And I think we can do a lot of that with motivation. And I have found that when I think about it in that way, it's a lot easier to like grab onto than when I think about it as this resource. And because then it's like, oh, well, I don't have it. So I guess it's just not gonna be here. I'm just waiting, I'm just gonna wait around until it shows up. But you will wait forever. Right. But when I think about it as like, oh, it's an emotion where I have some control and I can actually visualize, or even thinking about the walk or thinking about getting myself going actually gives me that like little like, okay, I can do this.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Well, and you probably you know know so much more about this than I do. I'm just just started looking into the neuroscience of the brain, and it amazes me. I'm so obsessed about it right now because it has really helped me and a lot of my listeners when we think about the lower brain chatter, the caveman, so to speak, that's just trying to temporarily soothe you. And it's not necessarily good for you what it's tempting you to do until you can bring that frontal part of the brain back online. And the pause is so perfect for that, to bring the thinking part of your brain back online. And so I just love that. I love that so much. It's it's helped a lot of us.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

Oh, yeah. Our brain is amazing, but it is it's it's our lower brain, especially, like it's there to protect us. It wants to keep us alive and safe. So it will do whatever it has to do to do that. So the pause. you talk about that like that creates like the calm in your body that you like

Calm The Body, Think Clearly

SPEAKER_01 22:05

that your brain needs in order to do like the cognitive thinking, the frontal frontal brain thinking, the the critical thinking, those kinds of things. Like you do have to have a fairly calm body in order to do that. So that the back part of your brain is like, okay, we're safe. So we can actually focus on thinking now.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

Yes. It really helps with clarity and um we've been looking a lot into momentum as well. Uh just sustaining, you know, what we are not necessarily changing so much, but learning. You know, one day I may have, you know, a good day and I'm I'm applying all these new things that I've learned, but then tomorrow, you know, a burn event could happen and throw it all off. We're trying to figure out how do you bring it back online and and sustain all the the new things that you were learning how to how to do and just keep that momentum going.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Absolutely. Something that I really that I share with a good portion of my counseling clients and folks that I work with is when it comes to like that change. So it's so easy to get stuck in kind of an all or nothing kind of mindset. And you know you talked about like I've had this really great day and I was doing all the things and I was recovering and I felt good about my recovery and all of this stuff happening. And then the next day I had a burn event and I was like oh well it's just gone it's just it's just the wind of health. Right. And it's like and I always like to remind folks and like it didn't like you may like yes like as humans we're going to take a step back. We're going to have moments where things aren't going quite the way they were before but I really think of like change as like an upward kind of like an upward spiral right and so we're always taking those good days with us. We're creating coping skills we're creating recovery plans.

Sustaining Change Without Starting Over

SPEAKER_01 23:55

We're helping our body learn how to like pause more quickly. And so when we have those off days, when we have those burn events, yeah we might take a little step back, but we're definitely not at the like at the beginning. So we are always continuing that upward momentum.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

I am a firm believer that we don't start over you don't scrap everything that you've learned you know you you start where you left off. We're constantly educating ourselves I mean we know what we need to do but it's sometimes it's just very difficult depending on your circumstances or your just your one moment that you're having a moment or a burn event.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

I love that the burn event yeah it's a moment and I think that's a good reminder for us too right it's a moment it it's not everything. It's not your whole encompassing being and I think sometimes taking even as you said like that pause to just be like okay this is a moment and I've had lots of moments before and I've always moved through them and I've learned from them and I have all of this knowledge with me. And sometimes we just have to remind ourselves I know I have to do that every once in a while I just have to remind myself I'm like you you got all the stuff you need to manage this. You got this.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Someone pointed it out to me I'm a web designer by trade. So someone was like I looked at your website and I thought you said you were a web designer and I said well the shoemaker always has the worst looking shoes. But in mental mental health you know people don't think about that. The professionals have to work on themselves too. Absolutely but for someone listening right now who feels that not completely burned out but just not themselves they're more tired than usual they've been to every doctor to try and figure out what's wrong with them physically but the doctors say you're fine, your labs look perfect. Where do they even begin?

Where To Begin With Micro Steps

SPEAKER_01 25:58

I would say begin with a micro step, right? So choose one thing that you might do differently and start doing that every day and kind of creating that little habit. So it could a couple of different things that could micro steps could be it could be um being active so just like moving your body a little bit and when I say like a small thing I mean like you do like you put on one song and you have a dance party and then you're done like that's that was your thing for the day. Or um you make a you you know if you if you want to have some more playfulness with it like grab a stuffed animal and have a dance party with your stuffed animal have the dance party with your kids. I try to have a dance party with my dog but she is not on board with the dance party she like she hops at me and whatnot but she doesn't want to dance with me.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

So gosh what kind of dog do you have? She is a golden doodle oh they're so precious she got a personality all to their own but those small changes are a lot like a theory um that I have which is called the plus one theory and it's not a dating thing people think that but it's it's actually doing your best plus one more in small incremental steps. You don't have to make big changes you just make small everyday things just like you mentioned.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Absolutely yeah and so like there's that like you know some other things that like it could be a grounding practice of some kind so just taking a moment to do some deep breathing maybe you connect with your five senses it could be um implementing something from what I call our comfort list the things that comfort us kind of bring us a sense of peace joy you know it's the it's the things that just help you go you know could be food, a drink, like people around you, um activities, those kinds of things but really just choosing kind of one out of whatever serves the best purpose for you in that moment and just kind of start implementing that at least once in your day and then maybe start doing like a couple times in your day and then maybe you're doing it three times in your day. And that way you're starting to like release and recover throughout your day and you're not waiting for the weekend, the end of the day your next vacation the next holiday whatever it is like whatever that moment was and you're like when I get to that then I'll rest and recover.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

Just pick something small and just start doing it daily I'm a huge advocate for journaling and every time I mention that to anyone they're like oh it's just another thing for me to add to my day. And I always tell them just it doesn't it's like seconds. You don't have to write a book you just need to every day just make a note about how you're feeling or something that happened or something you noticed. I challenge them always two weeks don't miss a day and then I want you to look back because who the heck remembers what they were feeling two weeks ago? I don't I mean if you look two weeks you can actually see a pattern developing I mean you can see what it is and you didn't recognize it for at first you know even journaling can be that little thing you know that we add. Do you feel this is our you're going to be part of our becoming series and so I always like to ask

Becoming More Authentic

SPEAKER_00 29:35

this question of my guests like do you do you feel like you became someone new through these experiences you've had w personally and also you know with other people that you've helped or do you think that you came back to who you were all along?

SPEAKER_01 29:55

I think I became more authentic. I think is is about like kind of what's coming to mind. I don't think I've became someone new because I all the stuff that I had gone through and all the things that have happened in my life and they've all led to like the same place and they've like they've informed who I am today. I don't know that it's necessarily like a newness but it there is definitely it's almost like I'm more at peace with who I am and I feel more connected to who I am. So I feel like there's really an like an authenticity in just being really comfortable in being who I am and not worrying too much about what others think.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

It's beautiful I I can relate to that because that's how I feel too and you know even growing up the way I did, I used to just hate that that happened to me why me, why me, sort of thing. But I know that it brought me to this place, to this person that I am that wants to help people and educate I I'm still curious. And I think my growing up the way I did made me curious just for survival purposes at the time but it's carried on through my work and I do reflect on the past but not I don't stay there. I just look at it to learn. And it's can it's just this process of who I'm becoming but I do reflect on all the things that have happened so that I can grow from it, use it somehow.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 31:33

If someone listening feels like they're lost that them they've lost a little of themselves what would you want them to hear today?

SPEAKER_01 31:44

I want them I want you to know that you can always always always can reconnect to yourself. There is never a time that's too late too early there's always that opportunity for reconnection and I think remember that you probably have a lot more tools in your toolbox to do that than you probably realize in this moment. And sometimes it's just prompting yourself to remember that you you do have a lot of tools.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

It's beautiful I love this conversation because it reminds us of something really important and and that's that we're not broken we're not failing and we might just be a little disconnected from yourself right now. And the way back isn't fixing everything all all at once it's noticing the moment that you're in pausing and choosing something that supports you even in a small way that's how you come back to who you really are.

How To Follow And Share

SPEAKER_01 32:52

That's becoming not all at once but one moment at a time Kate can you tell us how we can find you online what's the best way to follow your work yeah so a couple different ways to follow me um I'm at dr Kate Steiner on all like the social media platforms and you can also find me at dr state drkatesteiner.com perfect and we'll be sure and note that in the uh in the show notes so don't panic if you don't have a pen there y'all if this conversation resonated with you share it share it with someone who might need it too and as always keep showing up keep getting curious and keep choosing what moves you forward thank you Kate