Following Your Gut Podcast #19, Health through Enzyme Therapy with Dr. Jeff Marrongelle

Summary

Roland Pankewich welcomes Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle to explore the shortcomings of modern medicine and the promise of biological approaches. Drawing on Dr. Marrongelle’s pioneering work in homotoxicology and biological medicine, they unravel enzyme therapy, electromagnetic stress, and the crucial role of foundational physiology. The discussion delves into systemic enzymes’ impact on health, the interplay of minerals and enzymes, and tackling modern toxins. Discover how Dr. Marrongelle’s realignment towards fundamental physiology and personalized health monitoring promises new pathways for health restoration and chronic condition management.

Key Takeaways:

Biological Medicine Focus: Dr. Marrongelle emphasizes an approach that steps away from traditional medicine to find the root causes of illnesses and restore the body’s natural healing mechanisms.

Role of Enzymes: Systemic and digestive enzymes play a crucial role in maintaining health and balancing the body, especially as we age.

Environmental Impacts on Health: Persistent organic pollutants and electromagnetic stress significantly impact biological systems, requiring innovative management techniques.

Comprehensive Patient Care: Dr. Marrongelle’s practice is grounded in understanding foundational physiology rather than adhering to a disease-centered model.

Lifetime Commitment: Highlighting his lifelong dedication, Dr. Marrongelle aims to preserve and share extensive medical knowledge for future generations, promoting healthier living through the American Institute of Biophysics.

About the Guest: Dr. Jeffrey L. Marrongelle, D.C., CCN

Dr. Jeffrey L. Marrongelle is a Doctor of Chiropractic, a Certified Clinical Nutritionist, and a graduate of the inaugural class in Integrative Medicine at Capitol University. For more than three decades, he has integrated chiropractic care with advanced nutritional and homotoxicology-based therapies to support whole-body health and recovery.

As the founder and director of the BioEnergiMed Metabolic Institute, Dr. Marrongelle specializes in assessing autonomic function using state-of-the-art diagnostic technologies. His approach combines Heart Rate Variability (HRV), plethysmography, and bioimpedance body composition analysis with conventional medical evaluation. Over the past 15 years, he has built one of the world’s largest clinical HRV databases, with more than 40,000 test results.

A significant focus of Dr. Marrongelle’s work is non-narcotic pain management, inflammation reduction, and enhanced wound healing. His clinical toolbox includes Low-Level Laser Therapy, PEMF, biofeedback-driven electrical stimulation, and targeted nutrition strategies—offering patients effective, science-based solutions to support healing and long-term wellness.

“The microbiome of our digestive tract is like the soil of our body."

Chapters

• 0:00 Exploring Alternative Health Solutions with Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle
• 5:50 Challenging Conventional Medicine Through Foundational Physiology and Bioenergetics
• 16:33 Foundational Physiology and the Impact of Modern Life
• 22:07 The Underappreciated Role of Enzymes in Healthcare
• 37:01 Revolutionary Impact of US Enzymes on Patient Care
• 46:15 Challenging Conventional Medicine with Home-Based Health Monitoring
• 53:12 The Vagus Nerve’s Role in Stress and Inflammation Management
• 56:28 Detoxification and Nutrient Strategies for Optimal Health
• 1:00:49 The Role of Enzymes and Microbiome in Health Management
• 1:07:32 Biophysics and Its Role in Health and Medicine

Transcript

0:00:02 Roland Pankewich: Welcome back to the Following Your Gut podcast, where health science meets clinical wisdom. I know someone out there, be it yourself or someone that you know, has been at the mercy of the medical system’s inability to elucidate a causative factor for one’s illness, disease, presentation, condition, what have you. And it can be a very, very challenging thing because once you’ve gone through the gamut of practitioners and you have no answers, where do you go to?

0:00:31 Roland Pankewich: Well, the guy I’m interviewing today, I have the pleasure of calling a mentor, a friend, substitute dad, figure, compadre, whatever else you want to call him. And he’s known as the guy that people see last on their journey because he’s made a career of fixing what he calls failures of the medical system. So with pleasure, I want to introduce Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle to the podcast today. Homotoxicologist, biological medicine practitioner is a better way of putting it.

0:01:06 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Chiropractor and more.

0:01:08 Roland Pankewich: So, Dr. Jeff. How you doing?

0:01:11 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Roland? It’s a pleasure to be with you on your podcast today to address some of the issues that are facing all of us in America and around the world, but primarily here because we have, we spend more money on health care than any nation on the world. It is over 10% of our gross national products. Somebody should do the math because we will be later talking about math. And we are not even close to being the healthiest nation.

0:01:53 Dr. Jeffrey Marangel: We. We’re not even close to being the healthiest nation on. On earth as we should be. Okay? And so I’ve been in practice. I started as a chiropractor in 1987 when I graduated. And within a year, a friend of mine from Lecter told me about a doctor in Ohio who was doing some work. And, you know, people were going out to see him by the busload, literally. And he said, let’s go see what this guy’s doing.

0:02:32 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And so, you know, I was just a straight up garden variety chiropractor at that point, doing some advanced work in biomechanics. And, and we went to see this clinic and they were. The head of the clinic was also a chiropractor, but he had studied electroacupuncture according to Vol. In biological medicine and homotoxicology in Germany. And this was the majority of his practice. He had at a physician’s assistant working for him. He had a nurse practitioner working for him. He had a renowned, now renowned pharmacist working for him who was into homeopathy and complex homeopathy formulation, et cetera, et cetera.

0:03:36 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: We became and still are lifelong friends. And he, you know, both of us, our careers and our stature in this space has grown. And frankly, it’s because we were early adopters. And when there’s Only less than 20 people in the entire country doing what you’re doing, it’s not very hard to go to the head of the class. And we went to and organized many of the early conferences in electroacupuncture, homotoxicology, biological medicine, nutritional intervention, et cetera.

0:04:22 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And I came back from that trip and I told my wife, I saw something out here. I’m going to buy a piece of equipment. At that time, in 1988, the first EAV device I bought was an interrogation. It cost $11,000. That’s probably about 50 in today’s, you know, dollars. I bought a piece of equipment I didn’t know anything about to begin understanding the practice of a whole area of knowledge that I knew even less about.

0:04:58 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: But I was determined when I’d seen it that this was the future of human health care. I won’t even call it medicine, because it’s not medicine. What we do is not medicine. It’s as far from removed from medicine as is possible. We find causes, we support the biology to recover from either a toxic burden, whether it’s microbial, like bacterial, viral, fungal, etc. Whether it’s chemical or heavy metal, whatever the toxic burden is, we try to isolate it and see how deep it’s gotten into the body and how many organs it’s affected and how severely.

0:05:50 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And the principles of homotoxicology lay that out in a very elegant manner, tracing the first reaction, left untreated over time, down a down a continually descending sequence of signs and symptoms until they become what we then diagnose as a disease because the body has failed to adapt, failed to adapt, failed to adapt over time. And no one has intervened to restore the adaptating mechanisms of healing, repairing, and cleaning.

0:06:37 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: We find people where we find them. Managing symptoms with drugs that do what they’re supposed to do to the target organ and the rest of the biology. Good luck with. There are no side effects from drugs. I first want to say that there are only effects. Okay, the effects that are unwanted are listed as side effects, but they are direct effects. They are an attempt by the biological system to deal with a noxious chemical or an overdose of some sort of milieu of chemicals that have entered the system.

0:07:20 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And. And the biology has never seen them in nature or in food or in anything else. And so it has to act in a Certain way. And so here we are 40 years later, intense advancements in technology, in pharmacology of complex homeopathy, molecular nutrition, and high quality, high delivery phytonutrients. And, you know, well researched. I don’t even, I don’t like the word nutraceuticals because it ties one thing to another that don’t belong together.

0:08:07 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Okay. Nutrition isn’t suitable in any way. It is a molecular insert to a metabolic pathway that’s been overwhelmed or is deficient or whatever. And so of course my way of thinking is certainly not mainstream because we work from a foundation of pure physiology, pure science, okay? And bioenergetics and biophysics. And so we work with the foundational physiology of human beings, knowing that the biological imperative of life is to survive and to recover, to heal and repair.

0:08:56 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: All those biological systems are in place within us and the greatest drugstore in the world is inside our bodies.

0:09:06 Roland Pankewich: That’s, that’s actually very profound. I think people need to realize the things we take aren’t what help fix or cure us. They allow the body to fix or cure itself, providing the inputs are correct and the body has enough energy to adapt and heal.

0:09:23 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Absolutely. And what I’ve been seeing lately in, let’s say a lot of LinkedIn posts, because it’s mostly from professionals and so forth, a turnaround from the pendulum that swung to, you need to take this supplement and that supplement and this works on that and that works on this. And you, I, I see people coming here with a basket full of supplements and they, they, I, I call them Prevention magazine patients.

0:10:05 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Anything they read in the original, you know, health nut publication was Prevention magazine. And, and amazingly, they’re only about three miles from my office here at the Rodale Institute. Okay. They still publish a lot of health work. And they were, they pioneered the idea that, that supplements and nutrition was a, a natural way to live and a good thing to do. But that devolved rapidly into people using the medical model of this for that and saying, here, don’t take that drug, take this supplement, don’t take that medication, take this herb.

0:10:48 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Okay? I call those folks green MDs. They switch something that’s pharmaceutical for something that very often contains the same molecule as what is in, in the pharmaceutical. Because almost all pharmaceuticals are derived from nature and are poor imitations or isolates out of plants and herbs and minerals and so forth that were found in nature. And so, you know, being a green MD is really not, is not an evolution in, or a revolution in health care.

0:11:34 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Health and well being requires Personal responsibility and an understanding of what did I fail to adapt to originally and how can I recover back to where I was before I had this overwhelming infection, exposure, mental, emotional trauma, physical trauma. And we are seeing now with the burden of what are called POPs, persistent organic pollutants in our environment and in our food chain that everyone has a burden, a biological burden of toxicity coupled with electromagnetic fields and electro hypersensitivity and being bombarded by waveforms that if you could see them flying through the air would look like smog, thicker than the heaviest fog you’ve ever been in.

0:12:34 Dr. Marrongelle: Because all the waveforms, when you pick up your phone and you can find 20 Wi Fi signals, yeah, maybe you can block, you know, one and deal with one in your living space, but the other 19 that are flying through your space that you can’t control from other people’s equipment and so forth are increasing Your exposure times 20, 30, 40, 50 times depending where you live. Scary for people calculated into the equation of health and well being anymore, because it is the asbestos of the modern world is electromagnetic stress.

0:13:17 Dr. Marrongelle: And so how do we deal with these things and what does it damage in our bodies and, and what does it deplete us of? And those are some of the things we’re going to address today. And so you know, when I tell you I’ve made a living on medical failures for my entire career, it’s a fact. In 1991 I filled out my last insurance form and I’ve been 100% cash, 100% referral since 1991.

0:13:52 Roland Pankewich: I have a question for you. How do you define a medical failure?

0:13:56 Dr. Marrongelle: Personally, there are people that have tried numerous diagnostics and therapeutic interventions, both medically and alternatively, sometimes with functional medicine doctors, sometimes with acupuncture, sometimes with naturopaths, sometimes with chiropractors, sometimes with holistic health coaches, whatever it comes down the road. They’ve been grasping at straws very often for years. And I have a prime example of one that walked in, that’s a gal who’s been sick for 40 years and no one even deduced the obvious. And we’ll, I’ll tell you that story in a little bit, but.

0:14:46 Dr. Marrongelle: And so they, they wind up hearing about me and again, well, what does this guy do different? Well, I’m going to look at all your medical imaging, I’m going to look at your blood, I’m going to look at what was done to you. I’m going to see what treatment protocols and blood tests and stool tests and all kinds of other alternative and or not mainstream examinations have been made and say, okay, that’s all nice.

0:15:18 Dr. Marrongelle: Why are you here? If any of this stuff worked, why are you here in front of me? If your physician and the medical model work for you, you shouldn’t be here. If, if all of your alternative practitioners and the medical model didn’t work for you, why are you here? Well, I heard you do stuff differently and yeah, I do because I work on foundational physiology. I don’t care about the disease model, I don’t care about the notions and potions that a lot of people in alternatives market have.

0:15:56 Dr. Marrongelle: And I may offend people because I’m neither fish nor foul. I don’t have one foot in one side and one side foot in the other side of the fence. I have my own pasture that I live in. Okay? It’s a whole different paradigm of thinking. It’s a way of thinking. And foundational physiology relies on foundational materials. So let’s. What are they? Well, what, what is the most essential nutrient for life? What can’t you live without?

0:16:33 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Everyone can’t live without what one thing.

0:16:37 Roland Pankewich: Oxygen.

0:16:38 Dr. Marrongelle: I’m going to say oxygen is. You get about three or four minutes of oxygen deprivation and you’re out five minutes, you’re comatose six minutes. There’s a lot of loud singing and slow walking and they’re calling the corner. Okay, so hypoxia is what everyone dies of eventually, regardless of what causes hypoxia. But breathing oxygen is a foundational life and second to that, because it makes up 75% of our water of our body and 80% of our lungs is water.

0:17:18 Roland Pankewich: You gave it away there by mistake.

0:17:19 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: I know I did. I gave it away.

0:17:22 Roland Pankewich: 75 of our water is. Oh, nope, that’s not it.

0:17:26 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: 75 of our body.

0:17:27 Roland Pankewich: You need a glass of water, maybe you’re dehydrated.

0:17:29 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: 75 of the planet is water, okay? We reflect our environment and, and so we do foundational physiological measurements now that when put together in the correct formula can give people much more power over their own destiny at home for low cost. And so I basically semi retired from my private practice at this point and accumulating and training my private AI assistant and feeding it our own information that we’ve garnered over 40 years, refining it with the large language model AI and creating a space where people can get valid scientific information that is referenced and repeatable regarding their physiology and their, and their wellness.

0:18:47 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And I am motivated in great part by the loss of my long term friend and colleague, Dr. Dr. Gregory Ellis, Ph.D. in physiology and Exercise physiology. We worked together for a lot, a lot of years, and he passed suddenly. And through his executrix, his daughter, I acquired his entire physical library and am housing it. And we are now scanning and putting that into a searchable database. It’s incredible body of knowledge going back to the 1900s.

0:19:32 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Okay. He was a voracious researcher and hunter of information and any type of exercise physiology, body work, how to, you know, he’s, he’s written multiple books which we will be putting up on our AI biophysics website for, you know, to, to support his memory and his family. But this body of knowledge and what Greg taught me as we work together was a blend of physiology and how the body works at the cellular level and at the subcellular level, combined with homotoxicology and biological medicine.

0:20:29 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And just for fun, we got to work with multiple world class waveform physicists and learn about the physics of our biology. And so long before people were doing photobiomodulation and subtle energy work and so forth and so on, we were doing it with people who could measure it at the level of a physicist. And that goes back into the 90s. So, you know, we’ve come to a point where my practice today is to deal with the foundational issues of our physiology that are being decimated by our modern life and by our exposure to multiple things.

0:21:18 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And so after oxygen and water, the next most critical level of depletion and deficiency that I see that impacts our biology the most is enzymatic insufficiencies and management of the microbiome. We have in and on our body about 3 and a half to 5 pounds a microbe. Yeast molds, bacterias, viruses, cell wall deficient things that look like dust bunnies in your blood. They’re on our skin, they’re in our throat, they’re in our mouth, they’re everywhere.

0:22:07 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And they outnumber the cells of our body. Various folks, you can look it up and that’s what some people say 10.

0:22:16 Roland Pankewich: To 1, some people say 1.3 to 1.1.

0:22:19 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: It’s some say 9 to anywhere, somewhere between 8 to 1 and 10 to 1. But they sure outnumbers by a bunch.

0:22:26 Roland Pankewich: Yeah, especially their genetics.

0:22:28 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Yes. And our, and our reality is, the reality of our biology is we are in great part a slave as a host to these microbes. And their relative levels in our microbiome dictates very many of our activities. They are energy, our neurology, our digestion, our psychology. Okay. We are seeing that changing nutrition alone can affect psychiatric disorders and Psychological disorders, okay, behavior disorders, we see that changing, adding in depleted nutrients like magnesium or B12.

0:23:27 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: We, we knew in the middle 90s that people with senile dementia, Alzheimer’s, whatever you want to call it, that if they were replenished with B12, and I’m talking injectable B12 for about 30 days, about 60% of them would improve significantly. The problem is we did no definitive way to measure out of the hundred people who were the 60 that would benefit. So it’s a cheap intervention. You know, one of the first lines of defense for older folks when they’re starting to have a little bit of a backslide would be to do some supraphysiological B12.

0:24:19 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Well, you can’t get B12 injections unless you have pernicious anemia or some other medically diagnosed condition. And so without third party pay, the vast majority of people will go without because they’d rather pay $90,000 for an automobile than a hundred dollars a month for B12 shots. It’s the priorities of people that make them sick and keep them sick. And so personal self care is a huge part of our messaging to people.

0:25:00 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: So, you know, so let’s come around to how we wound up doing this particular podcast. And.

0:25:08 Roland Pankewich: Well, you mentioned something I wanted to quickly touch on, if you don’t mind. You mentioned enzymatic deficiencies. And, and I’m gonna go ahead and assume that if you’re listening to this podcast, you understand that we, we’re big into enzymes being master supplements in US Enzymes number one. And the second thing is from going through a variety of different lectures and whatnot over the last few years, we’ve learned that enzymes are the workhorses of the body.

0:25:34 Roland Pankewich: And I’m really excited to ask you about this because you mentioned homotoxicology and biological medicine.

0:25:41 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Yes.

0:25:41 Roland Pankewich: In the western world, the North American Western world. Those really aren’t things that people know. They know functional medicine, they know naturopathy or naturopathic medicine. But most of your training came out of Germany, some stuff out of Eastern Europe, Central Europe, and they’re big in enzyme therapy over there. Been slower in North America. Now people because of long Covid are starting to catch on to nattokinase.

0:26:11 Roland Pankewich: But most people think digestive enzyme when they think enzymes or enzyme therapy. You were mentioning that you see issues with health because of enzymatic deficiencies, which are intracellular enzymes. But you have had a huge amount of success using systemic proteolytic enzymes in your practice for various interventions, correct?

0:26:34 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Absolutely.

0:26:35 Roland Pankewich: So the first Question I have, first question I have is why has enzyme therapy been so big in Europe and been so slow to catch up in North America? And the second question is what do you find the most effective targeted use of enzyme therapy is clinically?

0:26:52 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Okay. Now I know you guys are hosting this, but a history, a little bit of a history. Yeah, let’s do it. Long before this company existed of enzymatic therapy bears you know, if we don’t know the, the origins of things. And when there was only a thing. There was only one premier enzyme when I began doing this work was that Wobenzyme. It was Wobenzyme.

0:27:26 Roland Pankewich: That’s when the horses and carriages pulled people around roads.

0:27:29 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Right? Yes, it was. Let’s not, let’s think of, let’s be kind over there. Okay. But yes, okay. And when, when I began doing, doing biological medicine. Now I have to tell you that Greg and I were huge proponents of solving a particular problem that had to do with mineral metabolism. It had to do with magnesium, potassium metabolism. And we actually did solve laboratory’s problem. And that’s a discussion for another time however of the 300 plus known enzyme pathways in our metabolism and our energy producing pathways with mind numbing long.

0:28:25 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: This makes, that, makes that the acetyl Coa and the Krebs cycle.

0:28:30 Roland Pankewich: All the stuff people forget when they leave medical school.

0:28:32 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: They didn’t even know it when they didn’t forget it because they never knew it. Never learned it. Never learned it. Okay. But I live there. Okay. And activating energy systems, mitochondria, electron transport, proton generation which feeds into this. And I’ll get to the reason that proton pump inhibitors are so negative to the biology is that they are not targeted just to the organ that they’re, that they’re supposed to work on which would be, you know, gastric epigastric dysfunction.

0:29:17 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: All right. Proton pump inhibitors inhibit the protons movement all over the body. And that affects energy. It affects so many things that are a little heady to get into. But let’s get back to magnesium and its influence on enzyme systems, the metalloenzymes. There’s an entire body of work called oligotherapy where one employs the free ionic forms of elements off the elemental chart. I am going to spin around real quick because I have in my office.

0:30:02 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And within three steps.

0:30:07 Roland Pankewich: I’m gonna have to describe it to everyone because this is audio only. So you’re holding up the periodic table.

0:30:12 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: So we have, we have periodic clinic.

0:30:15 Roland Pankewich: Before and said figure it out. Might I remind you.

0:30:18 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Yeah, exactly. Here you Go different. So, yeah, so anyway, Mendela figured it out, you could too. So the, the metalloenzymes require pre ionic minerals to be in a certain place for the enzyme system to work. So zinc, cobalt, nickel, magnesium, calcium, iodine, all of these foundational physiological minerals and need to be in a certain place. Well, the chemicals and the pesticides and the so forth and so on that we have in our food and in the air and you know, the aluminum we’re being inundated with and the barium and so forth displace good minerals and so they disturb enzyme systems.

0:31:15 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: I’m of the opinion right now that that after oxygen and water, clean water and highly energized stable water clusters in the body, we need foundational minerals and we need enzymes. And I think almost every single person over 35 to 40 years old and we’re hitting into your zone. I know in my zone, the pickleball generation, the boomers, we all need enzymes because what are we finding now? All the functional medicine guys who kind of moved a little to the right or the left, depending how you look at it, they moved away from the straight school medicine. In German we call it Schuler medicine.

0:32:13 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: School medicine, what you learned in school, okay? They moved away from that into more functional metabolic type medicine. And what are they finding? Sentient cells are a big problem. Cells that don’t want to die, cells that aren’t, they’re just kind of lingering around and they’re not getting. Their cell walls are thin and they’re creeping around her body, but they just don’t want to quit. Okay, well, when you get, when you get robust systemic enzymes, they help them out the door, okay? They help them break down.

0:32:49 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: They get rid of cellular debris just from living. Every day we break down millions and millions of cells. They need to be recycled. Red blood cells live 120 days, which means every day 7% of your red blood cells die. They die. What do you do with them? What do you do with their cell walls? What do you do with their bilirubin? What do you do with their ferritin that’s inside there? What do you do with the hemoglobin?

0:33:20 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Okay, where does it go? Well, it goes through the spleen and it goes to the liver and parts pieces go out through the kidney and parts pieces of the DNA and RNA actually may fit into a whole nother model of what a virus really is. Okay, in our, in our way of thinking, coarse pieces of old DNA and RNA that bioaccumulate can act as a Toxin and they need to be eliminated. Can we pause for a second? Right. And so when we look at the metalloenzyme systems and how they’re disturbed by our environmental influences today, what gets them?

0:34:15 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Persistent organic pollutants in our food, persistent organic pollutants in the air, the influence of electromagnetic stress, 5G, all sorts of cell phones and so forth and so on. The things that never existed before, basically microwave radiation that never existed on the planet before. And it disturbs the ionic exchange more especially of calcium and magnesium and at the cellular level. And it’s well documented in the literature.

0:34:54 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: But even more so, the way to neutralize it can be done passively and over a long period of time using appropriate interventions. And I’d like to discuss that with you.

0:35:11 Roland Pankewich: So just to round this out, Jeff, you’re saying that there’s an incredibly underappreciated role in all forms of healthcare in regards to the importance of enzymes and the like, the functional aspects.

0:35:26 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: That’s.

0:35:26 Roland Pankewich: That should be common knowledge for practitioners to understand the interconnection between mineral dependency and enzyme function, because we talk about that all along. It’s one of the reasons why our products contain. Contain astrazyme, which is a mineral, rich trace mineral, specifically because you mentioned micro and macro minerals. But it’s the trace minerals that seem to be the co factors for enzyme function.

0:35:50 Roland Pankewich: And you’re saying that there’s a whole bunch of environmental insult, be it pops, as you call them. Persistent organic compounds.

0:35:59 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Pollutants.

0:35:59 Roland Pankewich: Pollutants. Thank you. Electromagnetic stress. And then obviously, who has a healthy gut nowadays? You know, most people have a toxic influx into their bloodstream every time they eat food, regardless of what kind of food they’re eating. So this is all perfectly overlaying a lot of the messaging that we’ve been talking about for the last five years. The hard part is the practical intervention piece, meaning, okay, we can talk about this stuff and how it happens and why it happens and the process.

0:36:30 Roland Pankewich: People want to know what the heck to do about it. So why don’t we go there next, because you have a very unique approach to, for deciding how products are used for people. But even also looking at things that you see successfully that products do for people that they might not associate with. You have some enzyme formulas that you really love and some other master supplements. Actually, you’ll have our biggest accounts ever. Why don’t you start with that story the first time you ever came across the products?

0:37:01 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: I will, because I was introduced to master supplements in US Enzymes by Larry Stout, your regional sales Manager for the east coast here, who I’ve known for well over 30 years. I knew his mother and dad and his sister. I taught his sister how to do EAV and homotoxicology at their little health clinic that served primarily the plain community of Amish and Mennonite folks in Lancaster County. And they were very, very successful with that for a long period of time.

0:37:38 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And Larry got involved with doing. He was a great salesman. And so he was doing sales and service for another company before he came to US Enzyme. And we had always worked well together. And so he brought me US Enzymes. And as this is late in my career, this is probably four or five years that I’ve only been working with US Enzymes as a product line. And I’m like, yeah, you know, okay, I’ll give them a try.

0:38:16 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And he gave me a test kit. And it was very interesting the way he did it. He knew me for, for so long. He gave me small jars, they all look the same. And he put the name of the, of the compound or the supplement on the inside of the lid. So I had to unscrew the lid to see what it was. And he knew that as an EAB practitioner doing electroacupuncture and testing things across a test plate according to Vol’s procedures, that I would blind test these supplements that he gave me.

0:39:08 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And then I would find out which one the person wanted. I would take two at a time, put them up and see if they resonated to the person. And then I take them off and I’d open the lid and go, oh, look, it’s this. Oh look, it’s that. So within a very short period of time. And then I had enough. There were enough maybe like 15, 20 of each supplement in these little jars that he gave me as my personal test kits.

0:39:41 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: To be able to give somebody one or two, have them take them, let them get into their biological system, and then go use a biometric to see what happened to them. And my major biometric is ECG based RR interval heart rate variability, which you’re well aware of and have talked about. And so I would do a nerve express before I’d see somebody if they were breathing. So for years, the reason I have the largest database in the country, a clinical hrv, is because if you walked and breathed and came into my clinic every single time, the first thing that was done was a heart rate variability assessment.

0:40:27 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Lying down, standing up, Valsalva maneuver, deep breathing. We had data. We saw what your autonomic nervous system was doing and how it was Controlling your heart and how much vitality you had. This examination is a predictor of physical fitness and risk of sudden cardiac death. So it’s a serious predictor. And that’s not me saying that. That’s Columbia Presbyterian Halter Research center saying that and Dr. Thomas Bigger, MD, saying that.

0:41:01 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Okay? So I embrace and use this for years and years and years. And I started to see radical improvements in my patient using an intervention that was previously unavailable to me. And you measure the astrazyme and the very first thing that I said to him is like, you know, this base is anti radiation. The foundation of every one of your nutrients blocks or helps minimize the impact of radiation on human physiology.

0:41:44 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: So I want that. And so I used them for about a month and I was on vacay and it was getting near the end of the year and I decided I’m gonna, I’m going to be like the pig at breakfast. Okay. You know, you’re having ham and eggs. The chicken’s involved, but the pig’s committed. Okay. And I decided to get committed. And so I, I remember this because I was on a golf course in Arizona with my, with my son and a couple other guys and Larry called me and said he had a great introductory offer for me.

0:42:24 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And my very first order was over $14,000 worth of product.

0:42:32 Roland Pankewich: You ordered the entire product suite?

0:42:34 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Basically, I did. I ordered the entire product suite in huge volume. Okay. Knowing that becoming the first quarter of the year, I would go through that stuff because I was already had used it for a month or two and was ordering every week and couldn’t keep it in stock. Why in an established practice like mine, to find that the missing link to my biological medicine was high quality enzymes and biologicals that dealt with the entire system was revolutionary.

0:43:15 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Because over at that point, you’re talking about a 35 year career. I’d seen every product from every MLM and every, you name it, come across my test tray. Oh, there’s a new panacea. And here’s a new best thing. Here’s the flavor of the month, the flavor of the year, whatever it was. And so my, my, my mantra is, you know, when you’re jaded and faded from seeing every kind of notion and potion over 35 years, you don’t embrace things easily unless they really move the needle.

0:43:56 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And when they started moving the needle significantly on patients who were already under my care, well, I’ll tell you what, I sat up and I noticed because it filled in a huge missing link in my biological care that no other previous product line or product itself had done. And trust me, I had tried them all and seen them all from Wobenzyme to you name it, every major producer of enzymes, every claim made by other enzymatic companies, etc. Etc.

0:44:40 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: I tried them and there were some good ones out there, but there were never any great ones. And when I started using US enzymes and began to see the results on the physiology of my patients, it was a huge wake up call. I am not 100% certain about what created the influence, but it is measurable and reproducible. And I believe it is a combination of the perfect storm of micro minerals to activate enzyme systems, enzymes to fill in the blank for what has been depleted from the body or is the body as insufficiency of production of certain enzymes and metalloenzymes coupled with several parts pieces in the product line that passively remove persistent organic pollutants and toxins from the body when utilized slowly over a long period of time.

0:45:56 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: What always was a mystery to me in the application of medical pharmaceuticals was that they were often used as a band aid like to control and monitor, or not monitor, but to manage symptoms.

0:46:15 Roland Pankewich: Like a cholesterol medication, for example.

0:46:17 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: What they claim, right. And so you would think they would have a limited span of use. The reality of prescribing pharmaceuticals is that once you’re prescribed a pharmaceutical, you’re expected to take that pharmaceutical for the rest of your life. And it is expected by some sort of weird mystery of the universe to always work the same way over an extended period of time. Now the biochemists and the pharmacist and everyone knows that that is not the case.

0:47:01 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: That eventually you burn out pathways metabolically, you bioaccumulate unnecessary quantities of material that you can’t use and no longer use. They never take a break, they never change dosage. It’s. It’s a ludicrous model that flies in the face of how our biology and how our physiology works. And for that reason I rejected wholesale. It is wrong headed. It is wrong according to physiology. I don’t care whether you went to Harvard or Stanford or Yale or you are from Columbia Presbyterian or Johns Hopkins or Scripps or the Mayo Clinic. It doesn’t matter to me.

0:47:59 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: I don’t care. You’re all singing out of the same hymn book and it’s the wrong hymns. Okay, So I will stand on human physiology and human biology as the foundation of health and well being and symptom management and care and treatment. Yes, this is medicine. Valuable thing for, for acute Care for traumatic care. There are huge benefits that no one in integrative or trained medicine can begin to accomplish.

0:48:40 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: The level of trauma care that modern medicine has evolved to. It’s incredible. But when it comes to chronic disease and chronic health management, huge failure. No one wants to hear that. The functional medicine guys don’t want to hear it. Certainly the medical establishment doesn’t want to hear it. I don’t care. Right. I’m not a rebel because I’m not out there preaching it to everybody else. You want to get with the program, Fine. You want to take care of yourself, Fine.

0:49:14 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: You want to be responsible for your own actions, Fine. We’ll teach you how you can take a blood pressure cleft, a pulse oximeter, a couple hundred dollar body composition scale. Plug in those biometrics into a formula that we’ve evolved into and you can get your risk assessments across the board over time. Much better than any wearable goofy biometric thing you know, is, is an apple watch. Are they practicing medicine without a license?

0:49:52 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Is a whoop or an aura ring or any other evaluation of physiology that’s out there, whether it’s accurate or not? Practicing medicine? I don’t think so. They’re monitoring to a degree that they believe in the physiology of the body. You know. Are you not allowed to use a blood pressure cuff at home and assess yourself every day? I have an 80 year old guy doing his blood pressure, pulse, oxygen perfusion index and respiratory rate four times a day for the last four months as we slowly had him wean off of a very negative impact pharmaceutical for him.

0:50:43 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: That wasn’t working in the first place because it was not affecting the appropriate thing. I don’t know if you know, but I’m going to tell you right now. If you multiply your pulse times your systolic blood pressure, it’s a thing, it’s called RPP rate pulse pressure. It tells you about the oxygen consumption of the left ventricle of the heart. I’ve taken these metrics and evolve them. What I think is a very elegant way to monitor your own physiology at home. And then couple them with my partner’s body composition assessments so we can take your lean muscle mass and see how much oxygen that consumes.

0:51:33 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And we now have a metric that you can do at home that is far better over the long haul for predictability of your physiology and your risks of having morbidity and mortality than any exams that you’re going to get the local hospital because they take a snapshot and you’re at home making A movie of your biology and we’re going to be rolling that out this fall. We’re very close to, you know, to doing that. But let’s get back to where we started moving into using so many of the different products from US enzymes and master supplements, began by observing their impact on physiology. That was measurable, hugely measurable.

0:52:37 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And why? Well, the vagus nerve, which controls all of our organs and systems and it’s getting a lot of play today. People are starting to understand what the vagus nerve does. It is the parasympathetic regulator of the human body. It is the relaxing, it’s the brake pedal for your physiology and for your heart. The adrenal glands, epinephrine, norepinephrine, cortisol, and the brain can stimulate the heart rate upward.

0:53:12 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle can relax the heart. And so the vagus nerve is obligatory to be a brake pedal. And the adrenal glands are obligatory to be the gas pedal. And the brain, the neurology modulates between the two. And it is a constant flow, literally on a beat to beat basis in our heart. Now our heart begins beating at 21 days in utero, is the first functional organ of the biology and it stops beating when we stop.

0:54:07 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And so the rhythm of life is the heart rate and then the second rhythm of life is the respiration rate. And the third rhythm of life is our brain waves. Delta, theta, alpha, beta, gamma, the five brain waves from 0 to 5, 5 to 10, 10 to 15, 15 to 20, 20 to 25 Hertz cycles per second or the five major brain waves. And what we’re seeing today is a blunting of the nervous system by environmental stress and by television and so forth and so on to put people into a high delta state most of the time.

0:54:56 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And so people are walking around in chronic inflammation and the brain is trying to reduce that inflammation and help counter regulate the adrenal glands. And it is making us dull, sleepwalk, somnambulant, half asleep, okay? Not because we’re getting Alzheimer’s, not because we’re have chronic fatigue syndrome, but because we have silent and active inflammation going on in our body because of the stress of life, it’s not being dealt with.

0:55:37 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And reduction of persistent organic pollutants and increase of enzymatic activity and the decrease of sentient cells in gelatinous lymph and you know, getting a free flow of the fluid within our bodies, that’s a whole part of the enzymatic activity system, both in the digestive system and in the blood system. And so when I use a combination of things to passively remove persistent organic pollutants like chlorozine, which is a chlorophyll, it binds heavy metals, or sulfurazine, which is a sulfur donor, which feeds the primary pathway for detoxification of the liver.

0:56:28 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: But it also provides ample amount of sulfur, which anyone who’s taken any kind of chemistry knows that almost every mineral will bind to sulfur. And sulfur is used to remove toxins and poisons from the body through the liver, through the cytochrome P450 pathway, and is also, you know, just required for robust function of our elimination system. And so I use low dose chlorzyme, especially since COVID with almost every client that comes in, and they may just take.

0:57:12 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And both of these, by the way, are important to be dosed in the pm, because the activity of the liver and the elimination systems works overnight. And so the strongest time of the liver is from 3 o’ clock to 5 o’ clock in the morning. And so we put in things that get utilized in the PM. At night we put in sulforzide 1, sulforzide 1, chlorzyme. But do them for six months and see how you’re doing one a day.

0:57:46 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: What do we take in the morning? We take our D3 in the morning and we take nitric oxide promoters in the morning. One of the things that I found incredibly helpful was that the master supplements D3zyme, with its Astrazyme and its cofactor digestive enzymes, is one of the only D3s that I’ve ever given. People that will move the blood level of d3 will move that needle in 30 to 60 days. All the other d3s, maybe not, maybe so, but d3zyme, incredible.

0:58:33 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: People who were not absorbing or getting a benefit from their nitric oxide precursors. In the main, a lot of them were Irish American, Irish heritage, English heritage, Scottish heritage, Northern Europeans. For whatever reason, I kept seeing this. So I asked one of my friends who was a pharmacist, an RPH and an expert in nitric oxide and its physiology and written extensively on it. I asked two of the top people in the world about nitric oxide.

0:59:14 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Why do they need D3 and calcium metabolism? It turns out that there is a pathway called calmodulin. Calmodulin modulates calcium to the liver and regulates the capability of the liver to produce nitric oxide. And it’s a whole big fancy metabolic pathway. But if you are a strong Irish heritage, And you have different health challenges. And you want to measure your nitric oxide capability and you want to see what happens when you start using D3ZYME with an appropriate nitric oxide supplement. Now, you guys don’t have one in your line.

1:00:07 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: I’m not going to mention another company. You know, people can come to my website, they can go to, you know, just, they can find out about it. But the d3zyme very often minimizes the need for high doses of nitric oxide precursors, which in my estimation is a foundational molecule that should be robust in every human being. And it is hugely depleted in our population right now. And it is at the root of circulatory dysfunction, oral microbiome, digestive microbiome dysfunction, gastrointestinal microbiome, et cetera.

1:00:49 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And so in the amount, what I utilize are my systemic enzymes, because by just the activities of daily living, including exercise, we break down tissue actively throughout the day. And so the inflammation created by eliminating broken down tissue is best served by such things as serizyme, serrapeptase, serrapeptidase, the therazine, which is another spectrum of systemic enzymes. You know, you know them, and I’ve taught people about them far better than I.

1:01:40 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: My contribution is when should I take these things? And there’s the fact that we do things in harmony with our biology and the way our biology works is a great reason why we get the success that we do. So if I’m going to supplement a probiotic, I pick the one that’s appropriate to the biology of that person and I give it to them in the pm and we do it empty. Well, why do we do that? We find, we find beneficial bacteria all throughout the body, not just in the gut.

1:02:19 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Okay. And this whole notion of leaky gut syndrome and all these other things. Yeah. Is there a reality? There is, but the microbiome is everywhere in the body. And when I see tissue healing, we find beneficial bacteria in the lungs, in the blood, in the tissue, in an organ. What are they doing there? Well, they’re your cleanup crew. They have permission to go anywhere. They’ve got a hall pass. Nobody talks about the migration of these, of the micros, anywhere they want to go, because they just hop on the bloodstream bus and ride it to wherever they’re needed.

1:03:14 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Beneficial bacteria and not beneficial bacteria are in a constant battle throughout our body.

1:03:24 Roland Pankewich: There’s an interesting premise too, that I’ve heard, that when someone creates a dysbiotic environment, it’s not actually that the microbes are the problem. The strains and species, if you will, of microbes are attracted to an area of the body that doesn’t have enough energy to do its job. So they’re actually coming to help. But we’re looking at it in the wrong, through the wrong lens of there being the problem.

1:03:54 Roland Pankewich: But the reality is they’re consciously put there because something ain’t right.

1:03:59 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: You are absolutely correct. They are there by permission. Yeah. And that’s why I said they get a hall pass. They get invited. It’s like, would you please come over here and clean this mess up for me? Because I’m out of enzymes. And the passive system is the enzymatic system. The active system is the microbial helper, guys. Okay, so in great part, dysbiosis is reduced by systemic and digestive enzymes.

1:04:41 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Yeah. Why digestive enzymes? Well, let’s take an A blood type, for example. They are not good meat digesters. Okay, I. I don’t try to make people nutritional neurotics by following strict adhesion to eating protocols. However, if you eat something and it doesn’t sit well with you, don’t do it again. All right? What are you doing it again for? Oh, every time I eat. Fill in the blank. I get gas, I get bloated, I get sick, I feel tired.

1:05:28 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: So don’t do it again. Well, you think the next time it’s going to be wonderful for you? Just stop eating that or find out if I take an enzylase or Enzalase plus or whatever enzyme bandwidth. That doesn’t bother me at all. I mean, you and I have gone out to dinner often enough to Brazilian steakhouses and other places that were where lions would have gone and laid down.

1:06:05 Roland Pankewich: You know, we put these things to.

1:06:07 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: The test and we, we get there and set the jar of enzymes in the middle of the table. And as we’re feasting on. It’s part of the appetizer stuff, okay? Everybody takes an enzyme and then we turn it from red to green again. Okay? Yeah, and it’s. It sounds humorous, but, you know, the reality is we all need enzyme help. And at my age, almost 70, I’ll be 70 in October. I take enzymes every night, every day.

1:06:43 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: I finish my day with enzymes. I start my day with enzymes. Okay? My friend, Dr. Marks, who was a great influence on me in biological medicine, he learned EAB directly from Dr. Vol and worked with him. He was huge with Wobenzyme. And we did enzymes for years and years and years. But now that we’ve gotten more sophisticated and have better delivery systems, I’ve long transitioned into US enzymes and master supplements as a, you know, as a my go to line.

1:07:32 Roland Pankewich: Well Jeff, that was a master class in a variety of different things. Not only practical actions when it comes to supplement use guidelines perspectives. I love how you also link to the use of products with honoring the timing of the circadian rhythm but also elucidating things that I think a lot of people skip over because as you said, there’s a lot of the influence of the flavor of the month in the world of health, especially for practitioners who are so busy they don’t have time to learn things.

1:08:03 Roland Pankewich: So we what ends up happening is they get their upgraded in education from their product reps and unfortunately that’s not necessarily a complete package nowadays. It’s what we try to do our best not to align ourselves with an absolute, you know, narrow bandwidth of philosophy or perspective. So I love to interview people from all different walks of life because the different perspectives offer different things for people to start looking into because it really is just a starting point.

1:08:32 Roland Pankewich: And I’m definitely going to try to twist your arm to have you come back on in the future to do more of a masterclass clinical presentation because people do really request these kinds of episodes. So to round it out, I want you to tell us a little bit more about where people can find you if someone wants to learn more about what you’re doing. Learn your perspectives on physiology, your algorithms and your frameworks if you will.

1:08:59 Roland Pankewich: You have a non for profit that you’ve got going to the dedication of biophysics. Why don’t you kind of end off there and we’ll just say not goodbye but we’ll wait till the next time you come back on.

1:09:11 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Okay, well, thank you. Look back in 2007 I came back from major conference in Sunnyvale, California and I had just been several months before at the Hohen Clinic at the High Clinic in Braunwald, Germany with Dr. Thomas Rao from the Paracelsus Institute and with Dr. Alexander Riftine who developed the nerve express in tele wave heart rate variability. Both of us, Dr. Rao and I were lecturing to the European Society for Cardio Pacing and Heart rate Variability and we had wonderful three or four day conference there.

1:10:01 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: Came back, I went to another conference and I came home. And after that experience I met some people from the Fritz Pop Institute and from the German Institute for Biophysics and I was talking to colleagues and friends of mine their back portion when I came back from the conference in California. It was a 200 person worldwide invitational and I was invited because I took care of Someone who’s at the highest level of both Microsoft and Apple and had executive burnout. And that individual flew in to see me every month for over a year and a half from Seattle and dedicated to regaining their health.

1:10:52 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And they said, you know you need to, you oughta, you ought to start a not non profit to. Because no one knows about biophysics based medicine. And I came home and we founded the American Institute of Biophysics and we made it a thing and we did all the paperwork and we registered it and so forth and so on and it sat there until about two years ago, just never got legs under it. And as I get near the end of my career and after Greg passed and I decided I’m going to devote the end of my life to putting up the information for the public that they know nothing about, they’ve never heard about and for practitioners.

1:11:44 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And so we secured some funding from some generous clients. We built a website and are building a website for American Institute of Biophysics. We have a scientific integrity committee that includes people from all over the world. Our chairperson is from Canada, a renowned retired professor From Trenton University, Dr. Magda Havas has accepted that role. And between us we know quite a few people around the country and around the world who do biophysics based work.

1:12:29 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And we’re creating a platform for information training and certification of such things as heart rate variability, pemf, how to use lasers, medical lasers, other forms of intervention and assessment and just general information about the world of real biophysics. Where physiology meets biology and where physics meets physiology and biology. The influence of light, sound, photonic stimulation, electrical stimulation, what does it do, how does it do it, why does it work, what is it, what has been documented.

1:13:24 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: This is a realm of biophysics. It’s not looking at CRISPR and seeing how we can restructure other people’s DNA. Biophysics is the interaction of living systems with the physical world. And so that’s what American Institute of Biophysics is. And go to aibiophysics.org and that that website will be up shortly, like really shortly, within the week or two. And my, my personal website is bioenergy doc.com

1:14:04 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: and that links to the information and the companies and the products and the things that we use in our day to day practice and allows access to a lot of the informatics about how, when, why and where to utilize homotoxicology biological medicine. And you know, I’m, I’m looking forward to this transition in my life away from patient care only into education and dissemination of not only my lifetime of information, but Dr. Greg Ellis’s Dr. Yuri Krone who is past incredible waveform physicist, world renowned in subtle energy and understanding the influence of physics to biology and human physiology.

1:15:08 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And a number of Steven Sinatra with grounding and he was an integrated cardiologist who passed just two years ago. Steve was close colleague Stephen Haltawanger from Texas, Maryland, incredible colleague and friend, close associate for many, many years, brilliant man, foundational leader with the certified clinical nutritionist group iaacn. These type of people have left legacies behind and very often their legacies have been taken out of their homes and wheelbarrows and thrown in dumpsters.

1:15:56 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: A lifetime of work, a library of knowledge gone when they were gone. I’m not going to let that happen. And you know, thankfully for you coming into my life as you know, the junior associate, someone with a open mind and even more open heart, you know my heart and you know my desires and should something happen to me, I know that you’ll be one of the people to carry on the torch that I’ve lit, that people like Dan Clark have lit and those have gone before me.

1:16:44 Dr. Marrongelle: And we’re going to build the flame and train and teach a lot of people to change their mind about becoming consciously aware of their vitality and living a robust, healthy life. And I’m hoping that all the things that I practice for all these years will serve me in good stead and then I have 20 or 30 more years to be around on the planet and watch what’s happening because we are living in interesting times.

1:17:19 Dr. Jeffrey Marrongelle: And I thank you for the opportunity to come on and you know, expound upon some of my beliefs and thoughts and thank you very much for being my friend and colleague from the bottom.

1:17:33 Roland Pankewich: Of my pleasure, Jeff.

1:17:34 Dr. Marrongelle: God bless you. Thank you.

1:17:35 Roland Pankewich: Thank you for coming on and sharing stories, wisdom, insights, knowledge and and even more. You’ll be back. It’s inevitable and I think one of the few people who has the ability to twist your arm both directions if that’s that request is going to be fulfilled. But I hope that people have really taken the time to disseminate all of the information in this episode. Once you’ve listened to it, digest it.

1:18:02 Roland Pankewich: I know you do see some people on a special case by case basis. If someone feels compelled to reach out to you, you can do so through the website if you are a practitioner and you want to learn more about Jeff’s processes. You know, put on your seat belt and your propeller hats, get ready to go because it’s a fun time. And thank you all for listening as always. We will be back on the following your gut podcast soon with some more great episodes.

1:18:27 Roland Pankewich: We appreciate your support as always and have a great rest of your week weekend. Whenever it is you listen to this, take care.