The Truth About Lymphatic Drainage

Episode Summary

This episode explores the role of the lymphatic system during perimenopause and menopause, its support in managing symptoms like water retention and inflammation, and how lymphatic drainage therapy can aid recovery post-surgery and in long-term health management. Marine Niel shares insights on treatment techniques, frequency, and tips for choosing qualified practitioners.

Key Topics

- Lymphatic system function and importance

- Differences between manual lymphatic drainage and traditional massage

- Myths and misconceptions about lymphatic drainage

- Health benefits beyond aesthetics, including detox and immune support

- Renata Franca method and its unique approach

- Impact of hormonal fluctuations on the lymphatic system

- Supportive role of lymphatic drainage in menopause symptoms

- Post-surgery recovery and long-term management of lipedema

- Frequency and techniques of lymphatic drainage treatments

- How to choose qualified lymphatic therapy practitioners

Chapters

Introduction to Lymphatic Drainage Massage

Understanding the Lymphatic System

The Rise of Manual Lymphatic Drainage

Common Misconceptions About Lymphatic Drainage

Health Benefits Beyond Aesthetics

The Renata Franca Method Explained

Who Should Consider Lymphatic Drainage?

Understanding the Lymphatic System in Women

MLD and Lipedema: Support and Recovery

Post-Surgery Care and Lymphatic Drainage

Maintaining Lymphatic Health: Tips and Techniques

Post-Treatment Care: What to Avoid

The Importance of Self-Care and Lymphatic Awareness

Choosing the Right Practitioner for Lymphatic Drainage

Resources

Renata Franca Method - https://renatafranca.com
Glow With The Flow Website - https://glow-with-the-flow.net
Brazilian Lymphatic Training by Renata Franca - https://renatafranca.com/training

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

With giving more flow, you have immediate results with the her technique. She always compares her technique, like you have a room flo floated of water and one drain, and the previous technique will have to bring everything to the drain and let the water like drip to the drain slowly. Her she's like, does that make sense? When you have a room floated, the first thing you're gonna do is like keep the drain moving to make it to make it flow and then everything just go straight to the drain. So that's why with her, with this different apport, that's why you have like such an immediate result because it's activate the natural system of detoxification.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Welcome to Breast Intentions, the podcast where we take off the bra of expectations and dive into honest, empowering conversations. We're your hosts, Snedine and Cynthia, two Canadian girls who swapped snow boots for Flipflups in the Cayman Islands. This is your space to feel seen, supported, and a little less alone. So grab a cup of coffee or a glass of champagne and get ready for your weekly handful of truth, wellness, and empowerment. Welcome back to Breast Intentions. If you've been hearing about lymphatic drainage massage all over social media and wondering what the hype is all about, this episode is for you. Today we're joined by Maureen Neal, an expert in manual lymphatic drainage and the Renata Franca method, to explore how your lymphatic system affects your health, hormones, swelling, recovery, and so much more. Today on the podcast, we have Maureen Neal, who is a massage therapist here in Grand Cayman and owner of Glow with the Flow. Thank you for joining us. We wanted to have you on today because we want to talk about lymphatic drainage massage. It has become super popular with social media and with people talking about it. So we wanted to have you on today to talk about it and talk about myths, misconceptions, and learn a little bit more about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:53

Thank you for having me. So, yeah, indeed, a lot of uh right now, all the social media and everything speak a lot about um lymphatic drainage and it's a lot of like misconceptions. So I'm really happy to be here and talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

Let's start by just having you tell us a little bit about yourself, your background, and how you got into lymphatic.

SPEAKER_04 2:14

Yeah. So I'm from France. Uh, I'm in the Cayman Island for like almost eight years now. Uh, I have a background of beauty therapist and massage practitioner. Uh, because in France you learn both in the same time. I have three different certifications, and I've always been uh very intrigued by the lymphatic uh massage and all the lymphatic system in the body. Um, and then I always wanted to push more, and that's how and why I create uh glow with a flow, because I went to get specific training and having more knowledge to be able to offer to people uh the benefit of lymphatic on island.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Yeah, so great. Um, what is the lymphatic system? Like what does it do?

SPEAKER_04 3:01

So the lymphatic circulation, it's really all over our body. It's a network of vessel nodes and organs that collect uh excess fluid and toxin in the tissue and also from the blood. It really works in synergy with the blood. The blood is gonna discharge all the toxin in the lymph. And to be very simple, imagine the lymph, it's your Gadbert truck of the body, gonna collect all the toxin, get rid of it through the lymph node, and redistribute the all the nutrients back to the blood, and the blood is gonna be able to distribute the all the nutrients in the organs. So it's really helped to like having a good um you know health, but also help to like your body to process and detox. So it's gonna help to fight to against invaders but also infection and uh a lot of um inflammation. Uh but the difference with the blood circulation and the lymphatic is the blood has a pump to make it flow, but the lymphatic circulation doesn't have a pump. That's why the lymphatic drainage is becoming uh an essential for your cell.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

It's basically acting as the pump.

SPEAKER_04 4:16

Yes for it.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

So for anybody hearing about this for the first time, what exactly is manual lymphatic drainage and what does it do in the body?

SPEAKER_04 4:27

So, first it's manual, it's no machine involved because you have different types of uh uh of lymphatic drainage, but the manual one is the first technique that's been created. Uh, it had first been created in the 1930s by a French uh doctor, the Dr. Vauder, but it was like therapeutic only. It was for people who had like medical, specific medical conditions like post cancer or different uh medical conditions we require to have the lymphatic drainage. But then we realized that the body cannot detox anymore like we it used to, due to all our lifestyle and different environment. So now it's becoming more holistic. And basically, the massage is gonna do the work of the pump. We're gonna work and activate the lymph node, we are like the main drain of the body, and then push everything flowing to the lymph node to activate the natural system of detox.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

So, like if somebody says, Well, this wasn't why is this such a big deal now? And it wasn't a big deal 10 years ago. I didn't even hear about this.

SPEAKER_04 5:35

It's because of environment and because before when uh like it has been created, we didn't suffer that much from inflammation.

SPEAKER_03 5:45

Right.

SPEAKER_04 5:45

Uh all the hormones and uh fluctuation, we don't we didn't have it, or we we weren't aware that much about it. We were just like, oh yeah, you feel inflamed, carry on.

SPEAKER_05 5:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:57

And but now with the lifestyle we have, the all the you know, the contraceptive, the hormones we have been put on and at the early age uh are just like disrupt everything. And the food too, like the even the soil right now, it's all contaminated compared to like years and years ago. So we just like um suffer more from um inflammation, so it's becoming more a complaint from people about like people complain more about inflammation, then the link has been made to show that the lymphatic circulation could really support people to go through all of this.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

Um is MLD or manual lymphatic drainage massage different than a typical massage?

SPEAKER_04 6:46

So it's very different because we really work on the circulation. We it's only ascendant movement, it's a lot of pumping into on the lymph node, and it's a specific technique, like you have to learn uh you have to start with the specific legs, you have to, and it's kind of the same protocol from for everyone because we all have the same uh lymphatic circulation and system, and we don't work on at all on like tension, muscle, or facial, like it will be obviously stimulated, but it's not the main focus. The main focus is to really follow the blood and the lymphatic circulation.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

Right. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:25

So I'm not gonna come for a manual lymphatic drainage massage if I have like a sore muscle, like you could because it will help to like also because soreness and tension will bring inflammation, so it would be nice. It you will have like a release of inflammation, but you won't have the deep uh release in the muscle and the tension.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

So we are hearing a lot about lymphatic drainage on social media. What are people getting right and what are they getting completely wrong?

SPEAKER_04 7:59

So what they get right, it's really help with um water retention, really helps to uh detox the body, helps to fight against inflammation. They get this part. While they get it wrong, yeah, it's gonna be sculpting, yeah, it's gonna give you uh like a different silhouette after the massage, but it's because it really depends on how many water retention you have, but also uh how your body is gonna react to the lymphatic because we are all different. Uh so and also it's not a slimming massage. That's not the goal, right? That's not the goal at all. If you're consistent with it, yeah, you can have some result about the cellular aspect because it's also lead to inflammation, but it's not the goal. We don't work on the fat. But the lymphatic system supports the metabolism and the and the if you're not clocked and your body goes well, then your metabolism is not running down. So it's kind of a support, but it's not the goal of uh of the massage, it's not the purpose. And the problem is like because it's trendy and we are more focused on the way we look than or we feel, that people get clientele through like sculpting and silhouette, but it's it's not the goal, and that's the misconception that people have. So if you really want to target the fat you have, then have a slimming massage. And that's why some people think that lymphatic is painful, but it's not. It's not supposed to be painful. If it's painful, it's because you have discomfort, and we need to focus more on certain areas. But a lymphatic itself is not supposed to be painful because we don't touch the fat. If we touch, if you if it's painful, it's because you target the self, like the fat, and it's then a slimming massage. A slimming massage. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

I was just gonna say I've never heard of it. I've never heard of it.

SPEAKER_04 9:59

Because they don't say it's like when you do slimming massage, it's like it's like the like it's very it used to be like very popular in the I don't know, I would say like 15 years ago. It's really like um I don't know what you say in English, but like you know, you really like target on the fat, you pinch you like it's very, very painful to like break down the cell like the fat to help like the body to like detox about and like get rid of the fat and the toxin. So it's it's really like it's torture.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

It's very painful. Okay, so very, very different than lymphatic change.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

Okay. I've never heard of that, but I have I have seen the social media side of it, of you know, it'll get rid of cellulite and all of that kind of stuff. And so it's good that we have you on just to talk about you know those misconceptions and what it can do and what it can't do.

SPEAKER_04 10:53

It will support if you are in a journey of losing weight and you work out and you want your like to kick all your metabolism, it will help and support you in the journey, but don't expect to like lost inches of uh like I'm not gonna go to the gym, I'm gonna eat whatever I want, and then I'm gonna go get a LTR. It's like it's like everything. You don't go to the gym and do one session and you have apps, like you need to have everything following with it.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

So is that why you think it's so trendy right now? Is because people sort of see the sculpting videos or see and go, Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:30

That's what it's which is not bad if it's trendy because it give it, you know, people get more curious and educate. Yeah. So it's not bad, but it's you know, it's missing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Alright, so for MLD, is it just about reducing bloating and looking less puffy, or are there deeper health benefits?

SPEAKER_04 11:53

So it's not just about like uh debloating and feeling less puffy. It's one of the first feelings you will have as soon as you step out of the room. You will feel straight away lighter and feel like your bloating is going down. Um, but long term it will help to like support your metabolism, support the detoxification of the body, help your digestion because it's a lot of work on the stomach too, so it's help. Um and the stomach is and liver are full of lymph too, so it really helps to like the body to just drain and be more clear and healthy, like because it's like it's no, like I say, it's no pump. So if you don't you like build up, build up, build up toxin, you just like blow up like a balloon and you just it's so stagnant. So the the lymphatic will help with it. And then it's gonna lead to have a better immune system because if you have a good lymphatic circulation, then your body is more able to fight against invader, and that's bacteria and virus and ever and all other um yeah, but yeah, like that if you're just sitting with the toxins in your body, I would imagine that's not healthy No. And it also, yeah, we have a lot of length in the brain too. So that's also related to like brain frog or um like focusing, so it's it's it really has like a lot of a lot of benefit just on top of like feeling lighter and less buffy.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

Right. Okay, you are trained, you have special training in the Renata Franca method. What makes this technique different from say it a differ a more traditional manual lymphatic drainage?

SPEAKER_04 13:40

Uh it's different because uh Renata, she's Brazilian and she creates, she kind of did a revolution in the lymphatic massage world because, like I mentioned earlier, the first massage has been created like almost 100 years ago, and it was very just therapeutic only, but her, she realized that people suffer from more inflammation and the bloating and like your when we used to like decades ago, women were getting her period with like a little bit of SPM. SPM wasn't a thing, we just feel like a little bit bloated two days before you have your period and you keep going. Now we are like our hormones fluctuate way more than before, that we have inflammation sometimes, like 10 days before our cycle or during the cycle, ovulation becomes like people are more or feel more their ovulation right now. Like so because of that, she realized that the it was very recurring that people come and be like, I feel inflamed. And she starts on her own to study more about lymphatic circulation and be like, this is not making sense now, like it needs to be more active and with more immediate results. So she she really did um like a revolution in that.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

Not modified, but like brought it into like more of the modern.

SPEAKER_04 15:06

And she also fought because everyone was like blaming her for not knowing like what she's talking about, and and she was like, I don't care, like it will at one point it will help. And um, so she just created her technique on her own and had ended up like being six months with waiting list and decided to like teach her method, and now she created an empire all around the world because with her it's an immediate uh results and it's an approach of the whole body. You cannot just do like a Renata Frenza on your stomach, and that's it. It's one hour treatment and it's taking care of the whole body compared to the other one. Yeah, you you can do one hour, but also some people when they are just had a surgery or different um condition, they're gonna be just focused on one area, which is not wrong, but it's not also something that's because like I said, the lymphatic is everywhere, so it's not because you had the a surgery in your arm that not all the lymphatic is affected. Obviously, you will spend more time in the area, but you have to have an overhaul approach. So that's what is the difference too with air technique.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 16:20

Yeah, it's like she had to believe in herself until others sort of saw the results and saw it was working, and then and and everyone was like, Oh, but it's therapeutic, and and she's like, No, it's a new method and it's holistic, and it's not only for people with under medical condition. Everyone needs to get lymphatic in their in their lifestyle and routine now.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

So you just had said that it's more immediate, like this this method is more immediate results and more obviously visible right away. What's actually happening in those sessions?

SPEAKER_04 16:59

So with air technique, she's more like um because the traditional one will be like very slow and like surface. Her, she's going a little bit deeper, but once again, it's not painful, and she's like more giving like more um a dynamic of the massage. So that's why with giving more flow, the you have an immediate result with the with her technique. And um it's uh it's just she always compares air technique, like you have a room floated of water and one drain, and the previous technique will have to bring everything to the drain and let the water like drip to the drain slowly. Her, she's like, does that make sense? When you have a room floated, the first thing you're gonna do is like keep the drain moving to make it to make it flow, and then everything just go straight to the drain. So that's why with her, with this different approach, that's why you have like such an immediate result because it's activate the natural system of detoxify detoxification. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Who is this method best suited for? And are there people that should avoid it?

SPEAKER_04 18:08

So this it's for everyone. It's not something that it's not a massage that you need to be a certain profile to calm, but it's like every massage you have like an indication. And all the lymphatic is not just rhinata. Lymphatic in general, you cannot calm if you are having ongoing fever, ongoing infection, because it's also if it's detoxed that quickly, it's also spread infection that quickly. And it won't help to some people say, Oh, I need to detox, I have this fever. No, let the fever go down and then come to detox because it will spread like bacteria and virus way more often, more quicker. And um, it's also um if you have a past off DVT and blood clock, you cannot uh come for drainage, um, or you have to wait and having an approval from your um doctor for that because same it activate the blood circulation, so it's it can be very dangerous if you don't take like the like if you don't take seriously the contraindication.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

So, how does the lymphatic system change as women enter perimenopause and menopause?

SPEAKER_04 19:25

Um so the lymphatic system doesn't really change. It's more like the uh impact of like all the hormonal uh change that you will occur during the perimenopause and menopause. Like the drop of oestrogen can lead to inflammation, then um bloating and swelling. So obviously it will impact the uh like the detox, the natural detoxification of the body. So the lymphatic will system will be impacted, but it's not one of the same time, it's more like a um consequence, like it's it's because of the drop of um of oestrogen.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Okay. So then that would be the reason for why women might feel a lot more swollen or inflammate uh inflamed or puffy if nothing else has changed, then basically so it's just the change of the hormones.

SPEAKER_04 20:18

Yeah, it's the hormonal fluctuation uh can alter like blood vessel tone, sodium balance, and uh sodium it's uh like a big part of also water retention. So that's uh that's why the lem you will feel more um bloated.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

Okay. And can uh MLD support symptoms like water retention, hormonal fluctuations, fatigue?

SPEAKER_04 20:45

It will support, so it won't uh it won't cure. It won't cure, obviously, but it will support you to go through all this fluctuation and help with all the like symptoms you have because of the hormone fluctuation. So it won't impact the hormonal system because that's something completely different, but it will help to uh feel uh make you feel like better and be less uh bloated. It's also the inflammation can bring a lot of um pain in the joint, so it will help to go through that.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Okay, so it is something that's very good for women who are feeling those really big shifts through um perimenopause and menopause that are quote unquote doing everything right, but they just need something else to add to their little toolbox. Yes. Okay. For someone who does have lipodema, so we're just gonna talk a little bit more about that. How does MLD support both recovery after surgery and long term management?

SPEAKER_04 21:50

So, um, like uh Cynthia said in our previous podcast, like you have different degrees in uh lipodema, um and same. Like the lymphatic won't cure it, cure it because it's something that cannot really be cured. And to really depend on what stage you are in, you will need to go through surgery because nothing can help except the surgery. But it will help the same to give you comfort because the lipodema brings a lot of inflammation. It's also so much fluctuation with your weight, so that can impact your joints, that can impact the you can have like pain in your joint, and the lymphatic will help to feel uh lighter and reduce the inflammation.

SPEAKER_03 22:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 22:38

So it really is a support system. And then after the surgery, but it's not just for lipolema, like life, because the the main surgery for lipolema, it's clearly a liposuction. And then the liposuction gets rid of all the fat, but it's such a and it's an invasive technique, so it really makes your body very inflamed and react. And it's so it's a lot of fruit being built up after the surgery. It's a natural reaction to for your body to heal. But because it's a buildup, like the swelling part after um a lipo give a lot of a lot of discomfort and to help to heal quicker, the lymphatic is really a game changer because it will push the fruit out of your system.

SPEAKER_02 23:23

So then is it the same as some of the other ones that you were talking about where you do need to wait for a certain period of time before you can get the treatment?

SPEAKER_04 23:32

After surgery, you mean? It really depends on the surgeon. Yeah. On the person or the surgery? Because uh some doctor will be like the next day, straight away, get your lymphatic. And some people some other will be like, wait a bit, because the first uh days after surgery are very, very painful, and some women cannot handle to be touched. Yeah, but depends some country. It's like as soon as you wake up after surgery, you go straight to uh to your massage therapist comes straight and do like all the of the flushing because it's uh when you get a lipo, they don't stitch the hole in the skin, and the first few massages you have, it's really to push the fruit out of your skin. So you basically leak like a strainer, but it's just it's just the way it is. But more you get fruit out, more you will recover quick quicker. Like it will be like a it really have an impact on your recovery after surgery.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Is it the same for any surgery or just a liposuction surgery?

SPEAKER_04 24:42

Uh it's kind of the it's the same, but you have different techniques. But the Renata Franza, the one I'm doing, uh, can be done for everyone post-surgery. It's the same. It's uh like I said, it's over like all body approach. Uh some lymphatic are just gonna be targeted on the area you got the surgery. Uh same. It really depends on the doctor and what he wants you to get after, because they also have their own technique, so it really depends. Right. And some can be more um deeper than um but it really also depends on the country you go, and they all have different techniques.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Okay. And then when it comes to consistency and getting that done as well for like general or post-surgery, let's do both.

SPEAKER_04 25:32

Post surgery, once again, it really depends on what the doctor advised. But some doctors will be like every day, straight away after your surgery for like five, six days to make sure like you get all the fit out. And some people will be uh wait and it's like three times a week. But you have to at least, in my opinion, the first few weeks you have to do it like three times a week and then space it and trust, like listen to your body too, because your body will crave it at one at one point. Like you will need, you will feel the need to get a lymphatic.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

Yeah. I started with I didn't start right away because I was feeling very, very sensitive and sore. So I waited, I think, a couple weeks. Um, but then as soon as I was ready, my surgeon approved me to get um lymphatic drainage quite early. But it was more me, I wasn't quite ready. And then when I started, I think I I sort of gone with the same when I had my legs done and when I had my arms done, the same kind of trajectory. Like I started with uh like every three or four days, and then when I was we when I was feeling ready, then moved to maybe once a week, and then to once every two weeks.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

Well, and I think the other thing too is you have to get yourself there.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

You have to get yourself there, and I mean it it costs money, like insurance is not covering this for us. So I it like I would I think have gone more because it is so beneficial. Um I would have gone more if I could have financially. Um but and getting myself there. But after two weeks, I was pretty I was pretty good to do that. But I mean some people might not be, but yeah. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:12

But uh for a mobile too, so I can go to people.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

So yeah, so that's nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh, how often should someone be getting lymphatic drainage for maintenance versus specific concerns? Well, I guess we just covered part of the specific concerns, but what about just for for maintenance? For someone who is just like, oh, this kind of seems neat, like maybe I'll go and get it, and then they go and get it and they're like, oh, I like this.

SPEAKER_04 27:38

So once a month is good. Once a month, I would say, is a must. Um, but after you have uh some people who really have a purpose or feel like very all the symptoms since a long time, and once a month won't be enough then. So often we advise to do lymphatic uh if you really, really want to target the lymphatic circulation and boost your metabolism. And uh we advise to do it once a week for like four or five weeks in a row and then space it to every three weeks or once a month. But like I always say to my client, is also listen to your body. Because in theory we are all the same, but in real life we are not, like we all experience different shifts and uh we all have different lifestyles too. So it's really also you have to listen to your body.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

Right.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

When I'm not recovering from surgery, um I tend to go once every three weeks. Oh. I find that that's what works for me financially, and it helps me keep up to keep up to feeling the way that I like to feel after I have my MLD.

SPEAKER_04 28:46

Yeah, three every three weeks is good when you go through like all these hormones fluctuation. It's very helps to like maintain and have good results. Like five, six weeks in perimenopause or menopause can be uh a little bit too long uh between the two massages.

SPEAKER_02 29:03

Oh, just because of the fluctuations of okay. And then for people who, let's say, can't get there every three weeks and maybe do have to wait every six just from a budgeting standpoint. What are things that they can do either in between the sessions or do for themselves from a lymphatic drainage? Because I know that there's tons of things out there that you can you can use, right?

SPEAKER_04 29:25

So movement, movement is the first uh key for like boosting your circulation uh because you're gonna give a flow. So move, like go for walks, uh like strength training, boost it's it's known, like the strength training, building your muscle really help for your body to like like support all the circular blood circulation and lymphatic circulation. You can also do like dry brushing. Uh it's a that was the one I was thinking of. Yeah, um, it also depends on uh I'm if I'm gonna I'm not a big fan of it, but some people swear by it. So once again, it's you like you have to try. Uh, but when you have a very sensitive skin, dry brushing can be a little bit too much every day. Um, you can also do like self-uh activation every day on your lymphatic um uh like on your lymph nodes. On your lymph nodes. Uh you have a lot like the good thing about uh the trend right now, it's like you have a bunch of video online to help you to like do that at home. Uh you have the vibration plate like uh coming back in the game, like it's crazy because in Europe we had it like I don't know, I would say like 20 years ago. Uh it was, I don't know if you had it.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Yeah, we had it here.

SPEAKER_04 30:47

It was called and everyone was worried about it, and then it went like every yeah, everyone forgot about it, and then now it's it's back, but it's it's funny because a lot of things that we have like 20 years ago are just coming back. It's like fashion. But the vibe I I find the vibration blade helping a lot. I personally use it every day. Uh, it really helps uh because I stand a lot on my feet all day, and it really helps to give me uh like I feel lighter and I don't have this feeling of heavy legs uh at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

So you do it at the end of the day?

SPEAKER_04 31:23

Depends if I have time in the morning, but like I can I I do sometimes I do boss. Like if I have a very busy day, I do I do boss, and it also helps to like recover from the gym too, because it helps to flush everything. Um and yeah, like stay hydrated. Uh, you can if you suffer a lot from inflammation, try to have the anti-inflammatory diet, like avoid um caffeine, alcohol, sugar, processed food, and um gluten sometimes, but not everyone gets reaction to gluten. So gluten is not bad. It's bad if you cannot tolerate it, but otherwise it's it's not bad. So it also depends on each uh person.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

Uh one of the questions that we didn't have on here, but I did want to ask is as soon as they're done a treatment with you, what are some of like the top things that someone should not do right after they have a treatment with you?

SPEAKER_04 32:19

Alcohol.

unknown 32:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:20

But like, no, that's true. Like the alcohol is the most inflammatory.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

So you're basically moving everything. Yeah. And it's still after that, like it's not like in that treatment, it's removing everything from your body. Like it still needs time to move its way out afterwards. So if alcohol then goes in right after they have a treatment with you, are you all of a sudden just now adding even more toxins?

SPEAKER_04 32:48

Or like you're gonna add more toxin, but it's not like you need to like digest and like so it's not that fast, but it's gonna, it's just, you know, it's like going to have donuts after your workout. It won't make you gain like 20 pounds, but it won't, you know, it's having back the calories you just burn. So it's kind of the same with lymph fatigue. It's like, nope for me, I don't see the point of um going, take an hour for yourself, spend money for yourself, and then straight away go to happy hours and have like two or three glasses of wine uh because it's Friday. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 33:26

It's just undid everything you just did.

SPEAKER_04 33:29

Yeah, it's just gonna add some toxins straight away. And it's the same with caffeine too. Like caffeine is very dehydrating, and it's also because alcohol and caffeine are very dehydrating. So you need to the the things you need to do after the massage is to keep hydrated. You don't need to overdrink, but you you need to keep like your hydration like good to help the body to keep going and detox. So if you straight after the massage, do everything to be dehydrated, it's really no point.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

What about um hopping in a sauna right after?

SPEAKER_04 34:01

So the sauna will gonna make you sweat. But same, if you stay hydrated, it's good. But if you go with to the sauna after a glass of wine, it's like it's the same. Like it's it's not good because.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

But what about the sauna after the treatment for the thing?

SPEAKER_04 34:13

It's good because it will like the sweat is the main uh detox, like it's the main sign because like all our body detox, we talk about detox, detox, but all we get off the toxin, it's sweating, but also the perspiration, like the water you lose through your pore like constantly and going to the bathroom. Right, exactly. But the main thing is the perspiration and sweating. So if you want to um have more like detox, doing uh a sauna after is not bad as long as you stay hydrated because it's gonna make you sweat and detox, but you have to make sure you stay hydrated. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

If someone is curious but hesitant, what would you say to help them decide if this is worth trying?

SPEAKER_04 34:59

I think it's uh also just taking one hour for yourself because we especially women, we tend to forget to take care of ourselves, and getting a massage will also help to calm down your nervous system, which I didn't mention, but the cortisol is the first um trigger for inflammation, and we all run under with cortisol. Like so just taking one hour for yourself cannot harm, it will help just your to feel better. And if you feel hesitant, the lymphatic will not harm you, it will just bring more and it's something different to try. It's very relaxing, it will help with you like make you feel lighter, but also relax. It helps to like also improve your sleep. So it's it's don't like don't be hesitant.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

Yeah, worth a try. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

What's one thing that you wish that every woman understood about the lymphatic system and about her body?

SPEAKER_04 36:00

Like to not neglect it. Like it's very, it has to be, it's not has to be, but like you, it's something to consider if you want to work on your health, if you want to take care of yourself of yourself, it's very something to consider to include in your routine because um it has way more benefit than just um losing some inches of water after a session, or um it really we can really give you a comfort, uh daily comfort, and like support you to go through all the fluctuation we go through.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

Good, good to know. Is there anything that we missed that you thought? I don't think so. Like we've kind of covered everything, I think, right?

SPEAKER_04 36:48

Maybe you could say like how you start during like the before and after surgery. Did you feel a difference?

SPEAKER_01 36:57

Um like my own my own personality.

SPEAKER_04 37:00

Yeah, and also you had the because I've done the two techniques with you. Yeah. So maybe you can say something with what are the two techniques? Because I used to be trained in the traditional one. So before getting uh before I went to Brazil, yeah, I um I was doing the traditional one, and then I jump into the Renata one, and now I'm only doing that because I find it way more effective efficient.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Yeah, nice. And did you find a difference between yes and no? I mean, I so the the traditional manual lymphatic drainage I guess that was before before my surgery. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

Um for years, I think a couple years I would go to see Marine probably about once a month at that time. And I kept going back because I did notice that it was helpful. Um and then you were trained, and shortly after, I think you were trained, then I had my first surgery. Um but I do notice a difference. It's it's definitely I don't want to say it's m more aggressive. It's not more aggressive, it's more it's not as light. Yeah. Um so you can feel it a bit more, but um, I think I also see bigger benefits. Um it's it is hard to say though, because apples oranges. Like after the surgery, I noticed huge benefits. Like in in one of the previous podcasts, I talked about how after my first lymphatic drainage massage after surgery, I left and cried because I felt so light and I hadn't realized how heavy my legs felt for years and years and years and years. Like it was just how heavy they were, and then left and I was like floating on air, so light. Um, which was you know eye-opening for me. Um, but that's you know, because of my lipedema, um, but also because um the massage had done so much to help me. Um I look forward to my appointments. I love going. I wish I could go more often because I do find it so beneficial and I do find all like you said, it's relaxing, it is calming for the nervous system, but I also see the benefits um it with the lymphatic drainage because I am dealing with something called headema.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

But so for anyone that does want to get in contact with you and book or find out a little bit more, how can they find you?

SPEAKER_04 39:26

Um through my website, uh on WhatsApp and uh Instagram too.

SPEAKER_02 39:33

What's the website?

SPEAKER_04 39:34

So it's glow dash with dash the dash flow.net and you have all the explanation of Dorinata Franza and you have all my availability. Okay. So I do mobile and also um I'm based in Cayman with um I partner with someone to have a little space.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

Right. Yeah. And if someone is listening that doesn't is not based here, what would you advise them to look for like within their city or something like that if they wanted this specific type of um massage?

SPEAKER_04 40:11

So you can go on the website of Renata Franza and the people who are properly trained with her are um are registered in the website. So you can just put like the country, the town, or the postcode, and you will find the practitioner around.

SPEAKER_02 40:26

Yeah, because I'm sure that there's probably numerous different um people and companies out there that do lymphatic training. Like, and maybe that's the other question that I should ask as well is like what do you want to be looking for?

SPEAKER_04 40:42

What kind of questions should you be asking someone to know that you are getting I I don't want to say like a proper properly trained one, but like where is there like a red flag for me would be ask the person to explain to you how it works because most of people pre preach they do lymphatic, but they don't even know what's the lymphatic circulation and what it really does. If the person just says, Oh yeah, it's gonna sculpt you and you're gonna feel light. Well, yeah, yeah. Maybe maybe this person is trained and is not used to explain, but sh the uh for me as a professional, you should be able to explain properly what it is about and why uh why you should get it. And also if someone says to you, oh no, it's not contraindication, you can come whenever you want. Right, yeah. That's not true. It's a massage where you really have to be careful, right?

SPEAKER_02 41:42

Right.

SPEAKER_04 41:43

Like I refuse client because they came and they're like, Oh yeah, I have a like DBT or something. Oh no, or oh, I'm uh at the beginning of the week, I have UT high, but now I feel better, I'm still on medication. I'm like, well, I'm not touching you. Yeah, like you finish your medication. So I rather say no to money than doing something wrong with uh with my client. Like it's for me being safe, it's the most important thing. And if I have a doubt, I will ref rather refuse a client, go send them to the doctor, having their approval and come back. But I'm not just gonna do that to have my money like not.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

Good for you.

SPEAKER_04 42:23

Yeah, and make sure you can also ask the certification. Yeah, you can you can also like ask. But the fact is, like, uh, it's also a lot of people who preach they do Renata Franza, and they have never got the train the training.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

Uh like you had to go to Brazil to get that.

SPEAKER_04 42:41

Yeah, I I uh I went to Brazil to get and to get the training, and also it was her training me, uh, and her team, obviously. But she she I spent like two days with her, and um and also she has different like centers in all over the world, but she's only trained in Brazil, so that's why I also I wanted to go to Brazil because I wanted to meet her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it was very um, it was a lot of of obviously nuke knowledge and very, very deep training. It was very long, but it's also an inspiration because um yeah, she did uh a lot in her life and it was very like powerful, you know. Give you the I left Brazil, I was like, okay, well I'm I can do it. Very good. So yeah, it was nice.

SPEAKER_02 43:33

That's awesome. This was very enlightening. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for having me. It was great.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

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