Generational Tea

Stability vs. Hustle Culture | How Generations View Career Fulfillment and the Workforce Differently

• Kaina | Ronnie • Season 1 • Episode 28

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This time, we are diving into the cultural clash between hustle and stability. In this episode, we unpack the mindset shift from “follow your passion no matter what” to “find a job with benefits and a retirement plan.” Why do older generations often value security while younger ones chase fulfillment? What happens when you realize your dream job… doesn’t pay the bills? Or when your stable career leaves you feeling stuck? Join us as we explore how our upbringing, economic realities, and societal values shaped our views on work, worth, and what success really looks like. Whether you’re burned out from the grind or feeling guilty for not chasing a ‘big dream,’ this one’s for you. It’s a candid conversation about ambition, burnout, survival, and redefining what it means to build a meaningful career — no matter what generation you’re in.

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Kaina G:

Well, I have a question for you. Go

Ronnie G:

ahead.

Kaina G:

Did you feel any kind of pressure to follow a certain path or certain steps after you graduated high school?

Ronnie G:

Well, yeah, I think more of when we were getting ready to graduate high school, a lot of my friends, including myself, were first generation college students. There was this push for college, not necessarily from my parents, but just in general, and it wasn't just that you were going away to school. God forbid you want to do your basic studies at the local technical college and then go somewhere else. But seeing is how I was not, the best student. I had to go to the local technical college to take some classes, to get me up to speed and then that ended up keeping me there. The push was also not just where are you going, but what do you wanna do when you grow up it. Mm-hmm. It, it just didn't seem like there, there were not a lot of options. Like it wasn't presented in a way, like a menu. It was just kind of like, grab something, you know?

Kaina G:

Do you feel like that was because you're a woman? Like you're being pushed into certain career fields'cause you're a woman? Or do you feel like that was in general for everybody?

Ronnie G:

I, you know, I think it also could be some of the women thing because, not, well a lot of my friends in the Bible

Kaina G:

belt, so. Right, right. That's why I wanted to ask that.

Ronnie G:

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because I feel like the guys were doing more architect engineering that field, and then. My close knit group of friends that we had all lived in the same neighborhood and had been going to school from kindergarten all the way through out of, I think there were probably seven of us all, but two of us became teachers.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm.

Ronnie G:

So that was a big thing, you know, teachers was big for women. And, and not to say that guys didn't do it, obviously they make great teachers, but I don't feel like it was presented. And, and in nursing school, which is the route I took, was pretty much all women. Mm-hmm. And because I was at the local technical college, a lot of the women were, um, it was a second career for them, nursing.

Kaina G:

Oh,

Ronnie G:

that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I was like 20. And most of the people that were with me in my class, at least half or more were like 35 and up. Like, some of them, you know, They took care of their kids till they went to school or they, maybe tried something else in nursing, was the second career, so. Oh, okay. Yeah. But I do think very much so there were certain, career fields folks pushed

Kaina G:

you towards. Yeah,

Ronnie G:

yeah, yeah. And I'm not saying anybody pushed me. I think probably,

Kaina G:

um, like a societal level push.

Ronnie G:

Yeah, yeah. I don't, I never had anybody like back me in a corner or anything. And my parents were very, um, very easygoing as far as school and what I wanted to do. But I think the biggest difference between now and then I would say, or when you guys were in college is there's so many more options and you don't have to know I. What you want to do for the rest of your life. See, we thought, I go to college, I learn a trade, or I get a degree and then I need to, at 18 to 19 years old, know what I want to do when I grow up. Yeah. So it just sounds really nice now you guys have all these options and the confidence that it takes. And I do think first generation college students was very different as well because most of our parents didn't have anything to go off of. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. And I think that they had come through such a generation of scarcity where their parents were raised that they, they wanted a lot more for their kids.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm. Yeah. That makes sense. Mm-hmm. I get that.

Ronnie G:

Yeah.

Kaina G:

How about you? I don't know, like yes and no.'cause obviously my parents are from an older generation and both of them went through like the sports to college to marriage pipeline. And so I feel like they knew that that worked for them. And that's kind of what happened with me and my older sisters. Like we also played sports a lot and then that got us to college and then we got married. So I feel like yes, they kind of like wanted that to happen, but they never like, you have to go to college, you have to do this. Right. But I do feel like for my siblings, I didn't play sports. They were disappointed in not disappointed in them for not like playing sports and getting a scholarship and all that stuff. But like I think my, from my parents' frame of view like that was how to have a successful life is to like, get a degree, get a job. Yeah. Yeah. Stay in that job. Yeah. Because I mean, that's the essence of what we're talking about today. Exactly. And that is how things are shifting between generations because older generations tend to value job security. And there's a shift happening in my generation where that's not necessarily the case that I think we're kind of in the middle of a big transition right now. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. How we're viewing work and what we're willing to accept or not accept, and different career fields opening up and things being more open than they ever were before. Right. We're gonna talk about that. But first of all, welcome to Generational Tea. This is your first time here. We're so happy to have you. If you do love this episode, recommend it to a friend.'cause word of mouth is huge for us. And every little thing you guys do to get the word out about our show just makes our day. So thank you guys. If you've done any of that,

Ronnie G:

and I'm Ronnie, we're so glad you guys are here and we've got one for you today. Yeah.

Kaina G:

If I introduce myself.

Ronnie G:

I don't think you did.

Kaina G:

Well, I'm can,

Ronnie G:

we're a little rough, a little rustic right now. No,

Kaina G:

no. It makes us 5:00 AM What's the girl gonna do?

Ronnie G:

Barista girl.

Kaina G:

I know, dude. I'm obsessed with Blackberry Lemonade right now. I'm just quit coffee entirely.

Ronnie G:

Really? Does it have caffeine

Kaina G:

now? I mean, no. No. Okay. I'm just, well, I only allow myself one drink a day.

Ronnie G:

Yeah.

Kaina G:

And I use my tip money, so I'm basically earning nothing. I'll just use my cash tips for drinks.'cause I gotta have it. Yes, yes, yes. Alright, well to kick off this episode, now that you kinda know the direction we're heading in, Ronnie, you wanna lead us through the era of the nine to five So older generations. Just talk to us about that stability culture.

Ronnie G:

Yeah, so it was kind of like the stability culture of college career, retirement. Rinse, repeat respect. well, it was college, get married, well, college, get a job, get married, keep the job, have a couple kids. And most of my friends, were two income families. So what I'm saying is when they finished, most of folks my age that I knew did not have the privilege of being able to stay at home with the child. Mm-hmm. Because it was just, we didn't see it as a possibility, I guess. Yeah. And plus there was more of a, a little bit more of a push to some more stability. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So as women, it, it was really important for us to find out what we were gonna do.

Kaina G:

Do you feel like dream jobs were luxuries in this era and like not everyone got to have necessarily a dream job?

Ronnie G:

I do. Yeah, I do. For real. I mean, I think there's so many, folks that probably in the back of their mind wanted to be a physician or an attorney, especially females during that time. But it just wasn't, pushed as much as it was Typically. Doctors were the boys and nurses were the girls, and teachers were the women and administrative school stuff was the men and the engineering, all the math and science fields were very much, predominantly male dominated at that time. That's just what I was perceiving in, in my, yeah, well,

Kaina G:

I'm sure in the south that was probably more true. But yeah. Yeah. As far as like the dream jobs, I mean, I know from my dad, like he would've loved to be a teacher his whole entire life, but like having five children and a wife and living life, like Yeah. I feel like that he ended up going into it support'cause he had to support his family, which, yeah. Which, which sucks. I know, because I wish, I'm like, I wish you could have just had any job you wanted and that would've been enough to support your family, but Yep. Fortunately that wasn't, I mean, that still is, is true today, I feel like. Right. I think people are, know their options more nowadays. Like maybe they can be a teacher and they can also have a side hustle that'll make up the rest of the income and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Which is especially true now because social media in itself is a side hustle for a lot of people.

Ronnie G:

Right, right, right. Or just like, just a, internet based business, whether that's training or. Life coaching, some, some different things like that. yeah, it was kind of the mindset of you're lucky to even have a job, like mm-hmm. You know, like, be grateful for that. I do know that a lot of the fun or the happy parts were at home.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Ronnie G:

Or on the weekends. And then, I mean, I, I, I've never really heard my parents say that they dreaded going to work. But I'm sure they did. I mean, it was just, I'm sure they did. Yes. Yes. It was just so different back then. Yeah. And I know it sounds like it's a hundred years ago, but a whole lot has changed in just a couple generations.

Kaina G:

It's interesting because I feel like I'm already seeing. Parallels like in the fact that like you're lucky you to even have a job, which like the state of the job market right now, it kind of feels like that. Yes, yes. So it's interesting. We're seeing all the differences in the parallels already and we're just getting Oh yeah,

Ronnie G:

exactly. Exactly. So I was kind of looking this up, like this mindset of, lucky to even have a job and, I know that I, we kind of talked, when we were doing the outline about possibly the Great Depression. So I went in and I looked up more of that and the, um, the biggest generational change from the Great Depression to our parents was resilience, patriotism, and FR fragility. Mm-hmm. So they were very frugal. Um, this. Was, um, more so, well, my mom's 83. Jim's mom's 89. I see it more in her, but she also grew up on a farm, so I'm thinking that, uh, Nana, Mrs. Gillespie, she, grew up on a farm. So very much still the scarcity mindset. You know, uh, we were, we were talking this weekend with some friends that are my age and they were talking about their mothers who refused to use anything that was off brand, like, and Nan and that still happens. Like you don't just get sugar, you get Dixie Crystals sugar, and you don't, you don't buy off brand ketchup, mustard, those kind of things. It's got to be the brand.

Kaina G:

Yeah.

Ronnie G:

Um, and that was because there were no off brand stuff. When they were, when they were growing up. I never brand. No, no. Outta spite. Out of spite. That's right. Hey, if it's got the same shape bottle, but just a different label, it was manufactured in the same place basically. Yes. Yeah. I think the biggest, brand that came out with off-brand, uh, one of the big ones was Ingles came out with Laura Lynn. And so that became more attainable and, more well received, but now it's way better received. Yeah. Yeah. So, so that patriotism and the fragility and, and it really did shape who they are and it shaped, who we are.

Kaina G:

I was just thinking of the Great Depression as in, because I mean, that was a terrible, terrible time for anyone. And yes, it was a long time ago, but also like people are still around that are from that, that lived in great depression or very close to it. Mm-hmm. And I think that the reason it was all the, like, you have to stick with one job and you have to like do a career even though you don't love it is because maybe that fear of financial insecurity and you're lucky to even have a job and all that. I think that just made me stayed around in people's minds because. I feel like if you go through that massive event of an event that changes who you are, and then it probably changes how you parent your kids and what you tell them to do and Yeah. Yeah. How you tell them to be careful or make sure this doesn't happen or make sure you always have a job or whatever. But yeah, it's interesting.

Ronnie G:

Yeah, it is. Like my parents, their parents worked in the mill, a local mill. When you worked on the Mill Hill, you lived on the Mill Hill, you know, were basically the same types of houses, just a little different. You played basketball and softball for the mill team, so the mill was big time, integrated into them. So then as my parents got a little bit older, the, the mill jo, the meals closed.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm.

Ronnie G:

Yeah. And so that was a big push too, because we, we were no longer being mentored by people that were in the job that we wanted to pursue.

Kaina G:

Yeah.

Ronnie G:

Because they only knew like industrial work millwork, and then we didn't have that option. There were no meals. You

Kaina G:

had to carve out your own.

Ronnie G:

Yes, yes, yes. So I think that also was limiting, if you didn't have like a mom or dad that mm-hmm. Was an attorney or, a doctor or something like that. So. Yeah.

Kaina G:

Yeah.

Ronnie G:

I love this. You know, another big thing was like sticking with the same company that used to be Mm. Yeah. Yes. And it used to be like you stuck with the same company. You got a retirement and you would get pensions, which were in addition to retirement. I think back probably my grandparents' age. That was the retirement was the pension. Yeah. So those were things that were really well respected. It meant a lot. It meant a lot. And, and as you know, and our listeners know, probably that was not the way Jim was really respected and paid.'Cause he worked at the same place for 34 years. And we want goodbye the face now. Yeah. Yeah. So we, he did, it's good, but the people that Yes, yes.

Kaina G:

Let him go and didn't give him a fat pension. Mm-hmm.

Ronnie G:

I mean, he got his retirement and, and stuff, but, um, yes, definitely not that loyalty is not really, yeah. I, it's not really needed, I guess in, business owner's mind or they would really, reward people who do it.

Kaina G:

Yeah. Well, on that longevity though, like to contrast now, we found some research, research that says only one in 10 millennials believe they'll stay with the same company for 10 plus years. So, wow. And that's only 10 years versus a lifetime career. Yeah. It shows you how much things are changing, and obviously a lot goes into why people aren't staying with one company, but. Definitely it's, it's not the same prestige and also not the same benefits at the end of the

Ronnie G:

Right. Right at the end of your tenure mm-hmm. Of whatever that is. Yeah. Yeah. It's not the same benefits as it was in one time.

Kaina G:

well, how did your family view work ethic and success?

Ronnie G:

Work ethic was everything. Yeah. My dad was a retired, fireman and firemen are known to be very clean'cause they have to clean their firehouse. They take good care of their lawn lawns. And so for us on Saturdays it was clean. The house, if you were the girls, cut the grass and clean the yard. If you were the guys. And wash the cars every Saturday. And you, you know, you had a whole list of stuff and you did it every Saturday the same, the same way, the same time.

Kaina G:

Yeah. So

Ronnie G:

that was, and then, you know, obviously, doing things to the best when no one's watching, that was really, uh, instilled in us too. You are, if you do it, you're gonna do it right and you're gonna finish it all the way through and finish strong.

Kaina G:

Yeah.

Ronnie G:

Um, and evidently that didn't stick too well for me'cause I have a hard time staying on task, but Yeah.

Kaina G:

Yeah. I feel like mine probably were very similar really in a lot of ways. Yeah. I mean, they're a little bit older than you, so, yeah. I mean, they've definitely raised me in the same, well, not the same way as, and we're doing that whole Saturday SHA business, but. Right. Like all work is paramount in all of that stuff. Yeah. Yes, yes, for sure. I know we already kind of talked about the southern experience in relation to this, but how did religion and just like traditional southern values, class, gender, race, anything like that, influence career paths? I know you already said a good bit about that, so Yeah. Do you have any other thoughts?

Ronnie G:

When I think about the religion and the gender, the fact that women have so many options in ministry in general, whatever, whatever religion you're in, there are a lot more options for women now. And not every religion, but definitely, in the Christian world. So that I never even thought that I could possibly. Do anything like that.

Kaina G:

Um

Ronnie G:

mm-hmm. Because it was, it was men period. Male dominated a hundred percent. So it's definitely

Kaina G:

more accepted now, but yes. Do you feel like Southern Baptist, I mean,

Ronnie G:

don't we're going there very

Kaina G:

many women pastors.

Ronnie G:

No, I mean, time. Well, that, and that's not, I mean, we, we belong to a church that's non-denominational. And there have been some big churches even still recently, that have pulled out of the Southern Baptist Convention because of, of their view on women Good in ministry. Good. Yeah. Yeah. That's, they're

Kaina G:

the worst.

Ronnie G:

That is not, that is not going over well with them. No, we're not doing So yeah, that part. Yeah.

Kaina G:

Yeah. Well, another fun research fact, and this just goes to show you and like I said earlier, we're kind of in between a huge cultural shift about our attitudes about work and all stuff like that, but as it stands now, boomers still make up over 30% of the workforce. So maybe that's why we're still in a transitional period, and we're seeing all these kinds of parallels and things that are still huge from different generations. And then you see younger generations starting to pull in different directions. So it's good we're having this conversation. Yeah. We're right in the middle of a huge shift and huge shift knows what it's gonna look like in 10, 20 years.

Ronnie G:

Exactly. Yeah. Hopefully it'll be, more, like trades. Mm-hmm. Like trades are huge. I mean, if you're, if you're a welder, you can name your price. I mean, small engine repair. There's just a lot in the trade industry that I definitely think our generation, my generation abandoned

Kaina G:

Yeah.

Ronnie G:

For a different, like a career. But that is a career. It's going to trade school or, you know, and, and guess what? They're not in debt. Mm-hmm.

Kaina G:

Yeah.

Ronnie G:

But yeah. Yeah. I know.

Kaina G:

Yeah. I mean, I'm certainly hoping for like, I mean, I do think like, trades are obviously huge right now because that's probably the easiest way you're gonna get a job right now.'cause everything else is so highly competitive and Yes. You have to get like seven degrees to be able to do something. Yes, yes. So, I mean, I hope we, I hope we move towards that. But I hope, I mean, I think in general, I want people to be able to follow their dreams and be able to financially survive at the bare minimum. I don't really feel like that's. Accessible to everyone right now. So I would love to see that. But I would also honestly love to just see a shift towards like more worker unions and more work life balance. Like I think we should go to a four day work week because that has been proven successfully to massively impact people positively in different countries. Mm-hmm. And I think we're just overstressed and overworked and we could probably do with a little bit more free time.

Ronnie G:

Yes, yes, yes. The grind, the grinding it out every day, day in, day out.

Kaina G:

Well, speaking of, yes, I guess I am from, well, my generation as far as this goes, I feel like there's a lot of different aspects. Y'all had a hustle culture in terms of like, you're doing it, you're working hard, you're getting it done. Mm-hmm. I feel like we have a hustle culture that's glorified of like, I'm gonna get as much money as possible so I can have the most perfect life possible. Yeah. And all this stuff, and like it turning into a competition because social media exists. Yeah. And honestly, it's the worst. Yeah. Yeah. So there is a large hustle culture in my generation now. Everyone has a side hustle. Everyone's burned out, and they're, they're booked and they're busy, but it's all romanticized because you're doing way more than anyone else. Yeah. So, like, yeah. I think social media and always having access to other people's intimate lives, the highlights of'em, not the list. Yes. Yes. Is just fueling this up like crazy. Yes. And I think there's a mantra that a lot of, like Gen Z and millennials, it's like, if you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life, but you're gonna work every night and every weekend for the rest of your life.

Ronnie G:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that you can do what you love.

Kaina G:

Yeah. Because I, I feel like my generation has rejected a lot of, like corporate jobs or trades or like. Lifetime careers, and we're trying to find ways around that, but we end up being more stressed and more overworked because we're trying to like build our own business or do a side hustle or whatever it is. So there's definitely pros and cons.

Ronnie G:

Yeah.

Kaina G:

Cons.

Ronnie G:

Well, yeah, it's, it is like I, I'm always the person, like I want to limit my choices. So, you know, I was the mom that served the plain chips and the Sierra Mist at the birthday parties.

Kaina G:

Yeah. Because

Ronnie G:

I just wanted it so simple. But now, I mean, there's just, I can't imagine how overwhelming it has to feel you know, with you guys like a blank canvas out there and how do you even, I mean, it's almost like, do you just spin around and, you know, or spin the bottle and just pick one, you know, because they're, it's definitely overwhelming. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.'cause you're 26 5. 25, getting ready to be 26 in September. Ha Do you see a difference in kids that are just now graduating high school versus you, you know, when you were graduating high school, I, you, you were the baby. So you had older siblings, which naturally made you mature faster and things like that. Sure. So let's just, uh, let's think back to maybe when, when one of your sisters was graduating high school and maybe you was there. Do you feel like there's a difference?

Kaina G:

I mean, definitely think there is a difference just because like, especially my older sisters they were going through high school right? When like social media was becoming a thing. Really? Yeah. And when I was in high school, it was like full fledged. It's everything. So I feel like it's kind of right there in the cutoff. And granted, like we were raised very strictly and we didn't have phones until we were older and all that stuff. So we might have not had the same experience as other people. But I definitely feel like I am kind of in like the boom of social media, which is not good. But you're right, I did have siblings that made it even sugar faster and I don't know, it's hard to say. I definitely think there is gonna be differences, not maybe with like me and my little cohorts, right? But in general versus the people that are coming out now. Because I feel like we basically had the same experiences, right? Like we were on social media all the time, all that stuff. But like my siblings and just like a little bit older, like the younger millennials, I feel like they probably definitely had a different impact in that, in that case. But as far as it goes with like jobs and like which path to follow and what we think about all that stuff. I don't, I don't know how much how much that varies because we're so close, and I do feel like the workforce was changing even before social media because people were just so frustrated and didn't wanna work the job. A job they hated for Yeah. What, yeah. Yeah. For

Ronnie G:

what? Yeah. Yeah. To make the house payment and the car payment and pay your taxes.

Kaina G:

Yeah. Not very long.

Ronnie G:

Yeah. Yeah. And

Kaina G:

barely have like two days off. Exactly. It's terrible. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's talk about the cons of my generation, and I already talked a lot about social media, but I do think there's a lot of toxic positivity in this culture and the glorification of having, like having your own business and being an entrepreneur and doing all these things when that's not financially viable for mm-hmm. Most people. Mm-hmm. Like, it's just not like you have to have the money to start it. You have to have the time when you're not actually working a job to pay your bills, to build it up, like. It's just not possible. And I think there's a glorification of how accessible it is and all this like toxic positivity of like in our interview with Carissa, you remember how she was saying like, oh, you see these ins Instagram moms that are like, do this, do this on social media. And you can make like$2,000 a month. But it's never that simple. It's never that simple. You have to join like an MLM, you have to buy stuff. You have to do X, Y, and Z. You have to do it for like six to eight months plus. Yeah. Yeah. So there's that. And then also since we talked about longevity, like the constant career switching, which I don't necessarily think is bad in and of itself when it's motivated by ambition and, and not like a lack of resilience and just like general instability.'cause I think there is value in staying somewhere and working your way up if it's possible. But also I do think that it's good that we have a more competitive market and we have more options nowadays. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's that, there's lots of cons. Mm-hmm. But there are also a lot of pros. So I'm really happy about the pros because on the flip side, I do feel like my generation has more freedom and examples to follow. Like I know we talked about how the choices are overwhelming, but like there's so many options we can follow and there's so many examples. And like we just did a, an episode on like digital versus analog and just the massive access of knowledge that we have nowadays has, I feel like revolutionized the workforce and revolutionized like what we feel like we're okay with and mm-hmm. What ideas we can have for our future and all that stuff. So if you want to create a whole life where you don't have to work 40 hours a week and you have conversations with all these people that make you realize like what really matters and what you really want in a career, I feel like that is fantastic. And once you get through the overwhelming stuff, like there's so many good benefits to it.

Ronnie G:

Yeah. Yeah. So

Kaina G:

I'm definitely glad that I grew up in this generation, even though. I hate technology and I hate social media, but unfortunately, if we didn't have those things, I don't think that the workforce would've changed as much as it did.

Ronnie G:

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Kaina G:

Pros and cons. Pros and cons. well, another research study, and this is only 2023, so it's pretty fresh. Mm-hmm. It shows that Gen Z and millennials rank work-life balance, and mental health support above salary, which I thought was interesting because we just talked about how people are always hustling and trying to get the most money, which I do feel like is true, but I do feel like with how many people are communicating across America, across the globe, we're starting to realize like, we want to protect our interests as workers, and this is what really matters. We don't wanna work this job just for, like we were just saying, for what? Like we wanna actually be able to enjoy our job because we have to go to work to pay the bills. Mm-hmm. So I think that is also great that the interests are shifting a little bit more and with that, the alternatives and the freedoms that come with that.

Ronnie G:

Yeah.

Kaina G:

So yeah, the job hopping, like we talked about this, so common in my generation, generally motivated by growth opportunities in personal development. Not always, some people are just a hot mess, but that's the trends we're seeing. Whereas older generations, like we talked about, equated the loyalty of the job mm-hmm. To success. Mm-hmm. And they got a lot more benefits back then.'cause I mean, they were giving me a fat pension, I would probably stay there, you know?

Ronnie G:

Yeah. I mean, that's just all they knew.

Kaina G:

Yeah.

Ronnie G:

And it used to be that the mills like would have the stores and things too.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm.

Ronnie G:

So it was very much, um, it was almost like a military mindset.

Kaina G:

Yeah. In a way. It kind of was. Yeah. Yeah.

Ronnie G:

Like you had your base. Everybody lived close to each other because transportation was buses or my mom's parents. My grandmother never as far as I knew, drove a car, but she had a moped

Kaina G:

that saying, does she ride a horse?

Ronnie G:

No. Um, and so she, she and my grandfather used to write a moped everywhere. But, um, yeah, I'd never really thought about like the whole male culture being a lot like, um, military, but it is. Mm-hmm. It's like this whole family thing and everybody shared in what they had. Mm-hmm. And that lifted the weight off of, you know, you, you might be able to do something really small to make a huge impact, but also you knew your people too.

Kaina G:

Yeah,

Ronnie G:

that's

Kaina G:

true.

Ronnie G:

And now like that most people don't even know their neighbors or. Yeah, don't see'em and and that kind of thing. I haven't

Kaina G:

to one of my neighbors, so it's very accurate. Yeah. I'm like, I wave to'em all the time, but I'm like, I don't.

Ronnie G:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kaina G:

So yeah, to recap with my generation, I do feel like there's less stability, but we have more freedom, but along with more freedom becomes more stress, so, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Especially if you're trying to do the whole unconventional career path thing. Like if you're trying to be a social media influencer, it takes a long time to build that platform up and also maintain it. It's also super time consuming, and then that's how much time you have to spend on social media. It's a lot. And what does a lot of time on social media usually do too? Not get, yeah. And then I do love that there's more remote and flexible work now, so that is freaking awesome. Yes. Once I'm at home, less commute. Amazing. Yes. And then more passion driven roles and more opportunities to start your own business if it's successful to you. So I think that's great. Well, what actually matters? Let's bridge the gap. So yes, I'm gonna give you some more research and see. Okay. Because the research makes this conversation even more interesting. So boomers report higher rates of job stability satisfaction while millennials report higher levels of burnout and disengagement, despite seeking meaning. Gen Z and millennials report the highest level of stress and anxiety related to career and finances, so, mm, yeah. Yeah. So we're starting to see that despite what my generation is doing, we're not exactly seeing positive research on the effects of that. But here's the thing. I do think these trends are gonna take us somewhere better. Well, hopefully there's a lot of factors that have to line It feels to me that things are less affordable than ever. Things are more stressful than ever. Things are more high pressure than ever. So despite all these hallmark shifts that we're seeing in work culture, I mean, we're, we're having a hard time getting to, to what we want. Like at least we're trying gold medal for trying. But I think the shifts we're seeing are reflective of just the warring desires, because there is a lot of boomers in the workforce too, and not just as employees. Like there's, I feel like most people that are running jobs and administrative people and corporations and businesses are probably a little builder. Mm-hmm. Because as, as much as my generation is becoming entrepreneurs, I mean a lot of like the hallmark careers and the big jobs and stuff like that, it's probably gonna be run by like a Gen X or a Boomer. So yeah, we have my generation that's coming into the workforce and bringing all these new ideas and all these new things we wanna do and things that we wanna focus on. And we have, uh, people that are in the workforce and running stuff that don't necessarily see things the way that we do. Yeah. And I feel like we should explore that a little more, have conversations a little more. And I don't know, I mean, a lot of stuff goes into it and I feel like people are just desperate to find a way to live where they feel like they're happy, but they can still afford stuff and it's so hard. So I think people are just getting burned out trying to do that. And like, I mean, people have trouble living right now and affording stuff. Yeah. So like, you're so stressed, you're so anxious about finances and if you're anxious about finances, you're anxious about your job. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So there's a lot going on.

Ronnie G:

There's a lot going on. And I think some of that, lack, like you had said, as far as you don't think it's all job related. The stress, the stress, the anxiety and all that, and mm-hmm. So I think for. From the outside looking in, what I see is humans desire and their lifeline is connection.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm.

Ronnie G:

To other humans, that's what makes humans different. Mm-hmm. Like, we need to connect. So I feel like with your generation and, and those coming up or maybe just a little bit older, we have all the stuff at our fingertips, but it's not connecting us. And so I think, you know, even stuff like scouts and stuff like girl Scouts, boy scouts, you know, any kind of religious type thing, neighborhoods, you know, like we would, we literally would leave out first thing in the morning and. And, you know, a friend of mine said, yeah, we couldn't come back in to all the lights in the house we on, then mom would let us back in. But I think there was more of a connection. There was more face-to-face and more, um, back and forth. Like, it's so hard to get somebody to talk to you on the phone.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm.

Ronnie G:

It's all gotta be text. So then it's, when we do that, we're saying my, you know, we are deciding when we respond to that instead of with a face-to-face conversation. It is the banter of back and forth and that that banter is what makes us great humans because we learn from other people and our ideas are challenged by that face-to-face. Does that make sense?

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Can you explain a little bit more how like that is affecting

Ronnie G:

well, I think people need connection. Basically, just like we are overfed and undernourished.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm.

Ronnie G:

We're over communicating and under connecting.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I can see that in the terms of like generations and people are understanding each other as much anymore because I think there is a generational disconnect between like, just generally in the workforce.

Ronnie G:

Well, yeah. And so I wasn't even talking about different generations. I was talking about your peers, like your people in your, the twenties, the late twenties, thirties. That's, I'm not think, I'm not thinking about, one generation to the other. But when we're looking at this whole thing about the higher levels of burnout and disengagement, despite seeking. Meaning that, that's where I was referring to is,

Kaina G:

yeah. I mean, I think we are more disconnected because of social media than it Well,

Ronnie G:

that, and also remote jobs, um, school, all the options to do online school. I mean, really and truly, you could be in your house and never have another human connection or touch for days. Um, that's what I'm talking about. I can,

Kaina G:

I can see that. I don't know if I necessarily agree that that plays a huge role in Yeah. The reason why we're feeling so burnt out and stressed and anxious all the time. Okay. But I do think that investing in more human connection might help us manage that better.

Ronnie G:

Yeah. I think, also we have to just figure out what, what. What makes us as humans, what, what does fulfill us? Is it a monetary thing or is it a connection? I don't know.

Kaina G:

I mean, it's an interesting conversation. Yes, yes.

Ronnie G:

And this is why we are spilling the tea because very different, you know, for me, I want to talk on the phone and I, but I get that I have two sons that don't like to talk on the phone.

Kaina G:

I don't like to talk on the phone either. Yeah. Well, I force you and who No, you don't force me. Like, I don't mind talking on the phone like my closest friends and family, but anyone else who wants talk me on the phone, I'm like, no. Text me.

Ronnie G:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so I'm just glad I've got great, Daughter-in-law and son-in-law that like to talk to me. I, I don't know. I guess it would just, you know, it would be very interesting and if our listeners out there think about, um, maybe they have a different, um, viewpoint of why maybe still all these choices, all, all of this freedom, but yet still so contained.

Kaina G:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I definitely have some more radicalized ideas about why that is, but uh, okay. I don't think people would want to hear that has to do with politics in late stage corporate greed, but that sounds like a good idea for a podcast or another episode.

Ronnie G:

Yes, yes.

Kaina G:

Well, let's talk about some cross generational reflections. Yes. Is there a happy medium between security and satisfaction? I think so. I feel like it's so elusive, but yes. I mean, I think a lot of it comes with like your expectations and what fulfills you personally. And I mean, there's just so many wild cards. You just don't know how you're gonna, like which job you're gonna have, what that job actually is gonna be like. You know, what'll happen in 10 years personally that'll affect your job life. Like, I don't know, there's so many factors at play, but I mean, I think generally we have more options nowadays. It's just working through all the mud of those options mm-hmm. To figure out what actually works for you. It's a long and grueling process. Mm-hmm. And you're dealing with all these things like social media and outside opinions and maybe your family pressure. Like there's so much stuff, but I think, I think I would probably also say yes, but it's hard to get there.

Ronnie G:

Right, right. It is very hard to get there because things are just so out of touch. Um mm-hmm. And the, the generations before you, but after me, like my generation of parents. S put a lot of emphasis on, they wanted their kids to have it better than they did. Mm-hmm. So there's been a lot of, sacrifices and different things that happened in their parents' lives in order to help them get to that place. And

Kaina G:

yeah, I agree that,

Ronnie G:

yeah. And then just like there's, then you have this whole other level of just respect in general. So and like I said, does fulfillment have to come from work? Uh, what about hobbies, family purposes outside of career? And I would say for me personally, in my whole, uh, working part of my life. It was a, a means to an end. It was, I wanted to be at home, I wanted to be with my kids. I wanted to be with my husband. I wanted to be with my friends, exercising, hobbies, social events, those kind of things. But I do feel like, and, and you tell me when I'm observing you guys, not specifically you and, but you guys, when I'm observing that, what I'm seeing is, that it's not a 40 hour week anymore, like you said. So, so your margin for fun and other things has been deeply closed down. Yeah. And so I think that probably has some, a good bit, not all, but it's a big factor in stress and anxiety.

Kaina G:

Yeah. I mean, like I suggested earlier about the four day work week. Oh yeah. The reason that has done so well in other countries is because then that takes the pressure off you having to have your dream job or most fulfilling job because you now have three full days, hopefully, I mean, depending on what your job is, but in most positions, you would have then three full days. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot because that is a lot. I mean, you have a three day weekend and you're like, oh my God, this is the best. Yeah. Yeah. But I think that takes the pressure off you needing to have a certain career because I mean, I know in the past I've worked a lot of jobs that I've hated and it freaking drains the life outta me. Mm-hmm. Even if I'm working like 40 hours a week or even less than that sometimes. But still, I mean, I think it depends on the person and what else you have going on in your life and whether your fulfillment has to come from work or not, but. I mean, I feel, I feel like it would be great for our workforce if it didn't have to, and we had more work life balance so that we could get fulfillment in other ways. Yeah, it seems like, and I thought that would be so much easier, like if I was able to work a job that I didn't really like, but I only had to do it this many hours a week, but I could still be very financially comfortable. I would totally work whatever job.

Ronnie G:

Yeah. Yeah. I remember there's been like that four day work week has been tossed around different times in the past, and it seems like one of them was when they were trying to figure out what to do because the teacher pool has gotten so low.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm. There aren't

Ronnie G:

a lot of teachers going into that. And I think it was probably on the heels of COVID as well, and they were trying to get back into the classroom.

Kaina G:

I think more people have thrown it out or like thrown it into the mix. Yeah.

Ronnie G:

And they were talking about how much corporate money is saved, how much money can be saved by doing that as well.

Kaina G:

I mean, yeah. Honestly, I don't see that many cons to it at all. Well, let's talk about some other things too.'cause I, I mean, I, I was saying earlier that things are not the same as they were in your generation, like buying a house, going to college, all that stuff. So, how we think financial instability has shaped these generational preferences. And I mean, I feel like I've already kind of said a lot about that. Like, I have ridiculous student loan payments. My husband does too. My sister pays$800 in student loans every month, and it's gonna take her years, years to pay that off. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Uh, I have no idea when we're gonna be able to buy a house. Unless we buy it in like rural Louisiana, which I do not wanna live here. There's a reason why houses are cheap here. I mean, post COVID inflation is higher than ever. And so I feel like these things are really shaping how we feel about work. And it's, it's putting a block and I feel like my generation's path forward to a different kind of work outlook, which sucks. But I hope we're still able to get here and that all of these things we can maybe manage in the future so that it's not overwhelming.

Ronnie G:

Yeah. Y'all, y'all have kind of been in, in the sandwich of, economics

Kaina G:

alright, we're gonna hit some rapid fire questions. Okay. Passion versus paycheck. Would you take your dream job for 40 K or a soul sucking job for 150 K?

Ronnie G:

Dream

Kaina G:

same every time. Like 40 K is not too bad, especially if you're a two income household. So I'll do it. Well,

Ronnie G:

yeah. Yeah. And you can manage your spending.

Kaina G:

Yeah,

Ronnie G:

that's true. You know, I mean, but you do have to, I mean, a one person household. It cannot, it cannot survive. No. Like you guys, one person household, if there's no trust fund involved or like, you know, a windfall that happens, it's really difficult to do it on one on one person.

Kaina G:

Well, to answer that same question, if I wasn't married and was living single income, I think I would take the other option. Okay. And I would budget extremely hard for two years and then Yes. Do what I have left and like go travel the world. Yes. Yes. Or go and invest it into something that I would make me happy. Right. I definitely would not stay in that job. Yes. Second job, even if I was making 150 KA year.

Ronnie G:

Yeah. But, but what you've done differently is you're saying, I can do that for a time period. Yeah. If I know that it's limited, you know, people can do things if they least, so there you go.

Kaina G:

There's the job hopping of my generation that I keep mentioning. Yes, yes, yes. Oh man. Well, let's see, what's the next one? What would you tell your younger self about career expectations? Well, I know I would tell myself, don't go to college. Mm-hmm. Unless I wanna study some specific, but I don't, so I shouldn't have gone, like, hate to say, well, it's like have showed what a hindsight is. 2020. But like, I don't use my degree. I'm paying student loans that I'm, that don't have really any meaning to what I'm doing now, so. Mm-hmm. What the heck? Yeah. I wish I would've just told myself that, like, I don't need a degree. I can do whatever I want. It's, it's like all up to me to carve my own path and there's so options for me to do. So. Yeah. So I wish I would've said don't go to college. Uh, also I wish I would've told myself how to stand up for myself, I wish I knew how to like stand up for my own work life balance and my own rights as an employee. And just like basic human decency. I feel like I've had a lot of bosses that treat you like crap and yell at you and curse at you. And now if someone were to do that to me, I would be like, oh, okay. I don't want to be stuck to that way. Yeah. But two years ago I would've just like taken it. Yeah. So I wish I would've told myself like, and this isn't even like it's about work, but it's not necessarily about what we've been talking about today, but I wish I would've told myself that you can stand up for yourself and you can disagree with your boss and all this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So all that and just to not have the expectation to have an amazing job like very early in life. Yeah. And man, basically just tell myself to manage my expectations. That's because I, I feel like I had the expectations that I was gonna be so easy. Like I would go to college, I get a degree, and then I would be able to get like a great job. Yeah. Everyone would wanna hire me. No, that was not true.

Ronnie G:

Yeah. I mean, you had, it was rough, like in Atlanta where there should be so many jobs and how, how many you looked, you looked for? Well, what I would tell my younger self about career expectations is for sure, if you're married, don't get used to two paychecks.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm.

Ronnie G:

Try your best if you can, live well below your means. But the other thing that we haven't touched on as far as careers are consider a career that has a 24 hour shift. Because, you know, you talk about the four, four day work week, well, as nurses and most medical professions, if, especially if you're in a hospital setting, you work three twelves a week.

Kaina G:

Mm.

Ronnie G:

So I worked three days a week and it was full time. Now they're 12 hour shifts. But going into a path where you have a 24 hour window that you can work to me is key.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't think that works for everybody, but it would definitely work for me. Yeah. Because I feel like in other jobs I was working 12, 13 hour shifts. Yes. And I, I was working like a normal shift. I would have to go to bed and be back, be back there the next day and yeah. Suck. Yeah. That's soul sucking we're talking about. Yes, yes, yes. But yeah, I definitely see what you're saying, like working longer shifts, but less days a week.

Ronnie G:

Well, and then also working alternative times of the day. Yeah. Because in some, you know, usually there's like a little bit more money if you work second, a little bit more money if you work nights. Mm-hmm. Um, and just that might be a way to. Grind it out for a couple years and then be in a place where you can go back and do like a part-time. Yeah. Work.

Kaina G:

Yeah, I mean, I think that's great because I don't think America's gonna incorporate a four day work week any, anytime. Mm-hmm. No. Oh man. Well, do we think hustle culture needs to die or evolve?

Ronnie G:

It needs to evolve.

Kaina G:

Yeah. Same.

Ronnie G:

Uh, why, why would you say that? I, I, I know exactly. Well,

Kaina G:

I think I talked about earlier like the glorification of the hustle culture and having no life being always booked and just, I think everything being about work is so toxic and I don't think it's sustainable. And like, I think we need to focus on like being happy not doing all this stuff. Like it is not about. How many dollar bills you got. Okay. It's just not right. Like you're not fulfilled by money. You might be able to do great things with money, but I don't know, I, I just feel like that's so toxic and dangerous to get in deep into that wholesale culture. And I think there's definitely positives into it, like working as, as hard as you can and providing, but also there needs to be boundaries so that we're not becoming these overstressed, overtired, overworked people because it's just not sustainable and it's not gonna make you happy.

Ronnie G:

Yeah.

Kaina G:

What do you think?

Ronnie G:

I, I, I agree. Those, those, and then I, I actually wrote something down here'cause I was afraid I would forget it, was the hustle culture that I lived in, that I grew up in very much my parents. Your value was in your work, how hard you work, how long you work, the productivity that you have. And that is not good. Your whole identity cannot be wrapped up in that, so that's not gonna work. So what we've kind of done is just went the opposite direction and that's not gonna work, you know? And so it's like, let's re reshape and reform, our own value. Like do things that you're passionate about. Yeah. And make you happy. And, and right now, you know, you might not be able to write that book, but what you can do is you can write articles, you can journal, you can write outlines to for that one day book or you know, what, whatever. And I think if, if having, like I said, the hustle culture in, in grinding it out and saying, I work the hardest. They don't know I stayed late.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm.

Ronnie G:

They don't care. Yeah. Don't stay late. Yeah. Yeah. Don't stay late.

Kaina G:

Your work life balance is so much more important. Yeah.

Ronnie G:

So, so I think the value that we place on our jobs right now is a little bit hefty on the work side. That, but I also get it that it has, some of it has to be that way'cause it's so expensive to live. But if we could evolve in a way where we are touching back into some of those things that really make us happy because Okay, you, you hustle it out, you grind it out. What happens if you lose that job?

Kaina G:

Yeah. Well it's interesting'cause you said like we're like, work is value in your generation and we're kind of going in the opposite direction and we are in a sense that we're like, we're not equating work with value with your own necessarily. Yeah. But, but it is your but also. Kind of are. Mm-hmm. Like in a different sense, because especially when we're talking about the hustle culture of like always being booked, starting your own business, being an influencer and never stopping, always doing something, and how social media glorifies that. Like I feel like it is, but'cause I always struggle with feeling like I'm not doing enough. Like whether that is, it's not, and it's not even just about my job, but like on social media, like I feel like I'm not doing enough because I see all these people that are glorifying the hustle of, I am always doing this, these are my successes, this is what it's got me, I'm always working, blah, blah, blah. And then I always, when I'm just doing life, I'm like, dang, I, I feel like crap. And I feel like I'm worthless because I'm not doing all of that stuff. But then I remind myself that social media is not real. Yeah, yeah. But I do see people like doing all these things and doing the most to be able to afford the expensive vacation and. To be able to say that I own my own business and stuff like that. And then that makes me start to question my own value or my own path in life and I'm like, Nope, I can't go down that road. Right. It's interesting because I do feel like the value is being equated differently, but like it's still kind of revolves around work. It just looks incredibly different than your generation viewed it.

Ronnie G:

That's good. That that part Yes, that is exactly right what you're saying. A hundred percent.'cause the value is in is is still in the hustle. It just looks different. And plus it looks different because it's magnified by social media. In thinking about material things and, where you talk about social media, when we were riding around and Jim and I might be in the car, and it's kind of something that I've, I've done probably most of my adult life and maybe even younger than that, is if somebody has more than me, I, I don't look long. If it's something that's attractive, I'm not gonna look at that house. I'm not gonna ride by the house and just stare and think, oh. If I had that house when I get that house, you know, or, or the purse or the extensions or the medical procedure, whatever that is. Like, I just, for me personally, I can't look too hard. And I always, because, huh, I know because I don't want to be jealous. I don't want to want somebody else's life. This is my life and it should be celebrated. And not always, um, you know how people, and I know you, like, oh, what would you do if you won the lottery? And different things like that and it, but, you know, I just, I just feel like we look too hard into other people's windows when we'll never get the opportunity to go through the front door and we feel

Kaina G:

lies to ourself. I do, I was thinking about this the other day, like how many times thoughts have gone through my mind of like. When I have a boyfriend, when I have a husband, when I look prettier, when I'm skinnier mm-hmm. When my mental health goes away mm-hmm. I, I'll have literally told myself I'll be happy. Like, that's when I'll be able to like, move on. Everything will be okay. And literally I'll be happy and feel like I've hit a lot of the marks on that list. Yeah. To change how I felt inside. How I felt about myself. No. Yeah. When I got that, that car, when I got like material stuff, stuff about yourself, like the grass is never greener on the other side. Yeah. It's never, it's never greener.

Ronnie G:

It's not, and you have to think, don't even

Kaina G:

waste your time looking

Ronnie G:

Right. Don't look so girls. Just bounce your eyes. Bounce your eyes, and don't look too hard at what other people have. Just be content as much as possible with what you have. But access, more access will cause more issues as far as staying in on it, looking at it every day, or that person every day, or, you know.

Kaina G:

Yeah. It's definitely, especially true for my generation. Well, that was a little tangent, but. We're gonna get to our closing. But I, I will say, I think there's some powerful takeaways from us having this conversation and spilling the tea. And for me, these takeaways are that there is really, I mean, there is wisdom and stability, but I think the power and the passion is where my generation's breaking apart. But those things go great together. Yeah, they do. I hope that on a societal level that things will change and so we can ac like we can balance those two Yes. And have them work in tandem versus it kind of being like, versus right now. Yeah. So yeah, it's not either or. Career or fulfillment is personal, seasonal and it's allowed to evolve. So everyone's journey is their own and it is what it is. We'll figure it out one step at a time. Alright. You gotta read the, what she said.

Ronnie G:

I just saw it. So our, what she said is from. I'm gonna say her name first'cause I think somebody might listen. This is Dolly Parton.

Kaina G:

Mm-hmm.

Ronnie G:

If you know Dawson Gillespie, he loves some Dolly. My friend Jody loves Dolly. So here's what Dolly says. Never get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.

Kaina G:

Yep.

Ronnie G:

And she did it so well. Like just recently her husband died, but he was, I mean, there are rare pictures like nobody really has a lot of pictures of him gets

Kaina G:

married.

Ronnie G:

Right, right, exactly. Because it was so separate. She was good about keeping that part of her, uh, life intact without so yay. I thought

Kaina G:

it was very fitting to do well that quote is very fitting for the episode, but it's fitting that we feature her because she is an icon, obviously. Yeah. And her career kind of spans both of the hustle and stability culture. Yes. So yes, we can

Ronnie G:

learn a lot from Dolly. Dolly

Kaina G:

girl.

Ronnie G:

Love some Dolly.

Kaina G:

I still gotta go to Dollywood.

Ronnie G:

Yeah, you're going in October.

Kaina G:

Really?

Ronnie G:

When y'all come? Yeah. My

Kaina G:

gosh. Oh

Ronnie G:

yeah. Yes. And they have a little daycare for dogs. Oh my God. If we wanna take Sawyer, but we can also find somebody to come here. Yeah. Yeah. We can find somebody to come here and watch him. Oh yeah. Well, guys, um, it's been a while, but we have a challenge for you. Um, we do, yeah. We're gonna ask these folks to kind of share your growth ideas. Challenges.

Kaina G:

Your challenge is to go leave a comment or How about that

Ronnie G:

please?

Kaina G:

Connection. We did not think of a challenge for you guys, but we would love to get more reviews for our show. Once again, word mouth yes, really does help us. So we challenge you

Ronnie G:

to do that. Our, our bosses are breathing down our necks. Please leave us a boss. I know you are the boss. My boss says, please leave us a ruby. Yes, yes.

Kaina G:

Yeah. I mean, we have a good little base of listeners. We would obviously love to see, to see this show grow because I mean, I feel like we're talking about some good stuff and we're, I mean, we may not know everything, but we're starting the conversation and I would love for us to be able to put a YouTube video up and we just see all kinds of people sharing their experiences and talking to each other in the comments. That's like my dream when I think about this podcast in the future. Yes. Yes. Almost makes that dream a reality.

Ronnie G:

Yes. And, and stay tuned. We've got some, if you've seen a little bit of a shift in what we're doing now is we really, we warmed up for about six months, uh, and started, and then now we are getting into the generational differences. We're gonna be talking about substance abuse is, uh, coming up soon, and we're also gonna be talking about marriage and, and some things like that. So we've got some really exciting things. We've got some great interviews coming up. Um, so let us know, is there something cross generation that you would like for us to talk about?

Kaina G:

Yeah, let us know,

Ronnie G:

let us know that we take all that seriously. And that's the tea.