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Re-premiere - Casi Come Home (Pt. 1)
In this Part 1, re-premiere episode, we revisit the haunting and unresolved case of Casi Ann Pogue, the cousin of Trina, who went missing from Greenville, South Carolina. Casi was last seen under mysterious circumstances, and since that day, her family has been living in the limbo of unanswered questions and faint hopes.
As we approach the 5-year anniversary, we re-examine the details surrounding her disappearance. Why did Casi vanish? What leads were followed—and which were left cold? And most importantly, how can you help bring attention to her case today?
Join us as we bring Casi’s name and story back into the light, in hopes that someone, somewhere, still remembers something.
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Hey, big friend. ongoing for my family and that is that my cousin Casey Ann Pogue went missing from Greenville, South Carolina on July 5th of 2020 and she has not been seen or heard from since. And so we're coming up in July on five years and the really hard part about that is because she would be able to be declared legally dead. Yeah. So we are having to kind of come to terms with that. And also the fact that we still don't have any answers. And so on July 5th, she went to Greenville Memorial Hospital in Greenville, South Carolina, and she left on foot and surveillance caught her walking down West Ferris Road before she went out of sight. So there's no other surveillance. We don't know what happened other than, you know, we know that people don't just disappear. They don't just vanish into thin air. No. So, and I know, you know, Casey as well, Crystal, and she has been a big part of not just my family, but your family as well. And that's one of the things, the first question that people had always asked was, well, was she on something or did she have a mental breakdown? And the answer is going to be very clearly. Yes. Okay. Column A and column B. As well. We're just going to put it out there because, you know, we know that she had demons that she struggled with. You know, she had alcohol dependency that she had overcome. She had drug dependencies that she had overcome. And she had mental health things that she was struggling with and had overcome too. But just like with any of those things, you know, there's always that risk factor. of falling back into those cycles. And that just happened to be what happened at this particular time. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Casey was one that she would carry blankets and extra dog food and extra human food in her car for anybody that she ever ran across or a stray animal. She would give you the shirt off of her back. You know, her laugh. Oh my God, her laugh was contagious. And then Casey, one of my biggest memories and is the Sunday dinners that we always did at her house and her country fried steak. And she would, I love her. What was that? Stuffed shells was my favorite. Yeah. And she would always make the stuffed shells. Those were my favorite. I love those. Yeah. I loved them. Like she hit it every time. Every time nailed it on the head. And yeah, it was always something, you know, every Sunday it was something different and we would bring something, but she would always just want us to bring a dessert or a drink or something like that to have for everybody. And she loved being in the kitchen and cooking for people was like her comfort. She always wanted to be serving somebody. And by that, I mean, doing something for somebody. It very much was, typical, like, I don't know, to me, like, remembering her doing that, hosting those events, it was like a 50s housewife entertaining a dinner party, but it was so laid back and fun, you know, it wasn't, like, stiff or anything like that, everybody was comfortable, but that's how she was, she flittered around, making sure everybody was good, and then, you know, by the time the first or second wave of people start to leave,
SPEAKER_01:When
SPEAKER_00:there's just a few left, you could just see her, like, sit down and, like, you know, like, yeah, I'm pooped. I'm tired. I'm ready to, yeah. And that's how she was. And I think that was always my favorite part about those Sunday dinners is when that second baby came. She performed. You know what I mean? Not that she was faking, but she put on a, you know. She was the most gracious hostess. Yes. That's right. Yeah, that's the more eloquent way of speaking. saying that. Right. She was the greatest host. Definitely. Back around 2013, she had gone into mental health because of, you know, some issues that she was having, which she and I both went through the same type of program. We did the intensive outpatient treatment. So that was a really big thing. We weren't there at the same time, but the program that she went through, I know Yeah. Yeah. things would go good for a little bit and then, we would definitely see Casey go on and decline again. There were a lot of different erratic things that she had done in a lot of different episodes where Nathan was involved or Nathan had been in the picture around that time and Casey went off the deep end. And that seemed to be when Nathan would disappear again. He would tell him to stir the pot and leave. Yeah, that's exactly what he did. He was happy to get it going and get it turning, but he wasn't going to be there when everything came down to it. Right. He was not one of those, I'm going to be there for you when shit hits the fan. He's like, it's been cool. See you later. Everything's falling apart right now. So this is my chance to exit. I'm just gonna, yeah. Yeah. And I'll get back with you when things are more on the up and up. But meanwhile, Nathan was a mess himself. So to the point, like his parents had bought him a condo in a really well, established area of Greenville. And he had his own condo there, but he was such a mess that he would stay at his parents' house. Now, his parents also had another home on their property. And when Casey fell on hard times, I will say that they did allow Casey to move in to this rental property with her and her son. And that's where they were living. However, that also gave Nathan access to her more frequently and because of that but hold on like question though do you feel that they did that in benefit of Casey or to appease Nathan I think it could have been a little bit of both to be honest with you I really do you know it seemed to me like he just kind of dominated them and he did he was coddled you know I didn't even know that he had a brother until like a couple of years later, because the focus was always so much older or younger. I want to say an older brother. And I never knew that he had a brother or siblings at all, because the focus was always on Nathan. And even when Casey would tell me things about him, like I knew about him, I knew about his mom and dad and that his mom and dad were ministers and things like that. No idea. Yeah. That he had any kind of siblings. Because. That's wild though. That they were both preacher's children. That's correct. They met in therapy. And they met in therapy. And you know. They would have good runs. And then when it wasn't good. It wasn't good. So Casey had moved in. To this house. Around Christmas time. Of 2019. So that's about six months? Seven? About seven months before she went missing. Before she went missing. Okay. Now, the thing is, is that it has been said, too, that there were some arguments, I guess, or some disagreements that had happened between Casey and Nathan during that period of time as well. But they were on speaking terms, right? when she had gone missing and so how that came about is well hold on like just for context for the the listeners and a little bit for me too like what kind of things did they argue about like what were the i mean they were friends they weren't in a romantic relationship just to clarify because you know nathan is gay he is and they were best friends you know or so-called It was truly a platonic relationship, but they were very codependent on each other. Right. A lot of times Nathan would have jealousy if Casey wanted to spend her time with anybody else. He wanted to always have Casey alone time. So if I were over at her house or if... You know, she were coming over to my house or something like that. Nathan didn't want any part of that. So I had actually only met Nathan two, maybe three times during their whole friendship. And it was very short. It was more like a we're meeting up kind of situation. One time I went and I had drove Casey's car and she was meeting with him at a Starbucks. We were out and about. And Nathan basically called and said, hey, do you want to go grab a coffee? I'm over at the Starbucks. And Casey was like, yeah, that's great. So what ended up happening is I dropped her off with Nathan. That was the first time that I had ever met him. And then I drove her car back home and my car was there. So I was able to go on home from there, which was absolutely fine because I wanted Casey to be able to go have coffee with her friend. I didn't know any better at that time.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:So it's just little things like that. Now, exactly what they fought about, I don't know. But there were times where it would get aggressive to where Nathan has put hands on Casey before. So like restraining hands? No, like I'm going to push you into this brick wall.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00:And for those that don't know Casey, she was only about... 5'2", 5'3", and maybe 100 pounds soaking wet. I don't even think she was. She was probably mostly around 90 pounds, which I know that sounds like I'm splitting hairs, but when you're that small, that's a big difference, 10 pounds. She was very petite. She was fairy-like. Right. She was very petite. I used to tell her I could put her in my purse. Yeah. Just climb in my purse and I'll carry you around. But she just, that's compared to Nathan, who was six foot and probably at least 200 pounds. I would say more. The time I've seen him, I think once or twice. Right. Somewhere at some point, maybe it's online. I don't even remember to be honest, but he's more like 250 probably. He's pudgy, but he's big. He's kind of a looming guy. He is. And he never was that large size when they first got together. So I don't know what happened in Nathan's path that caused him to gain the weight and to look disheveled the way he does. Depression. I mean, it can. It can. I definitely understand that part. You know, I've been there. You've been there. Oh,
SPEAKER_01:God, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So, that's what I don't understand is what they actually argued about. They weren't in a romantic relationship together. You know, it was strictly platonic. Casey had moved in around Christmas time in 2019 to this rental home with her and her son. She was still friends with Nathan. She was kind of going downhill at that time and to be completely transparent I had kind of backed off with talking to her at that point in time too because I was telling her that this is not good Nathan is not good for you you know you're you're different you're changing it was all of those same patterns that I had seen before so um then what comes up to you know July 4th the day before she goes missing is that evening she had walked across the street and she illegally enters the neighbor's house. And she goes in there and she starts going through their groceries, their cabinets, and she's trying to put it in bags and take it out to the carport to where their car is parked. And she's asking the neighbors for their keys. She wanted the keys to the car. She said she had to make this delivery. This is what the neighbors had told Debbie and Wyatt. who are Nathan's parents. They basically, they knew the Browns. They walked Casey back over there, let him know what's going on. So Nathan and his mother, Debbie, take Casey to the Greer Hospital. And basically, they look her over. She is later on released from the hospital. Now, while she is in the hospital, she posts on Facebook that she and her ex-husband are re-engaged. And that's not true. Not at all. Yeah. And to the point, she even called her dad to tell him about this engagement. And he basically said, or she said, Greg's coming to get his girl. And this was not true. And Greg had even posted on Facebook under that post. I mean, you know, he came from a place of love. He really did. He did. And it's not that he didn't love Casey. It's just that that was not true. They had not even really talked about that or considered that. Not to mention they live across country practically from each other. Right. So Greg had moved back to Michigan where he's from. Casey still lived in South Carolina. So they were divorced at this time. No plans of re-engagement at all. But this is just... what Casey believes. And I've been with her before when she is having these kind of hallucinations that she will be lucid for certain periods of time. And then other things, you know, she will talk about past things that happened. So I've experienced that firsthand. I know that she can be that way. But that was kind of the prequel to July 5th. So the timeline that we have, so she's discharged from the Greer Hospital on July 4th. Okay, I'm not sure what time that was. But on July 5th, around 757 in the morning, Casey made a call to 911 where she stated that her and her quote unquote sister have been held hostage for three days. Now, you know, as well as I do. He doesn't have a sister. He doesn't have a sister. And she has, you know, three stepbrothers, but they don't live together. anywhere near here they're in florida and texas and stuff like that so nothing came of that and the only thing that we could think about as far as the sister that she could have been referring to was either myself or my sister
SPEAKER_01:right
SPEAKER_00:because that's how we grew up is we grew up very close very while we're cousins we grew up very sister-like right so then after that 9-1-1 call And nothing happened. Around 1030 that morning, Casey went to that same neighbor's house that she had been in the night before getting their groceries. She went to that neighbor's house claiming that her dog had been hit by a car and her dog was fine. Now, Casey was dressed. Casey was. I'm sorry. I don't mean to let her. Casey thought Olive was missing. thought that olive had been hit by a car oh have been okay okay okay but olive was walking along with her and was absolutely fine oh okay so she like has so yeah she ended up going back to that neighbor's house and now casey was dressed in nothing but a bra and black leggings and as she was approaching over to the neighbor's house dressed like this she was out of breath The neighbor decided that she was going to record Casey's behavior. And so she did do a video and Casey made mention of two men trying to break into her house. And another call was actually placed from a neighbor to 911 as well about the same residence. And there was nothing... that was stated it was just it was kind of like dismissed so Casey went back home and everything like that then around one o'clock or so the neighbor had recorded Casey going out of her bedroom window and so basically the neighbor called 9-1-1 and they were dispatched out and basically Casey said the same thing that her and her sister had been held hostage for three days and They were trying to look for a potential suspect, and so she was saying then that while she was there, her sister had run into the garden. Okay, Casey didn't have a garden. Now, we do know that she had her phone with her at 109 p.m. because she had also tried to call 911 herself, but she disconnected the call. And so EMS had responded to the scene. She goes to the hospital. And both the EMS notes and the doctor's notes say that Casey was actively experiencing auditory and visual hallucinations. So that's what we know with her going to the hospital. Now on July 5th, that evening, like we knew we were made aware that Casey had gone to the hospital. My mom had told me that Casey was there. So around 10 o'clock, that night, we still had not heard any update about Casey, if she was okay, if anybody needed to go get her from the hospital, if anybody needed to be at the house with her. So my mom got in touch with Nathan's mom, Debbie, and had asked her, hey, have you heard anything about Casey? Do you know what's going on? So Debbie said that she would call the hospital and try to find out. She called my mom back and then they said that Casey was basically released from the hospital around 8 o'clock that night. But nobody had been contacted. Now, Debbie did say... At what time did she arrive at the hospital again having auditory and visual hallucinations? It probably would have been around 1.30, 2 o'clock that afternoon. Okay, so I just don't understand, like, if she was having them then, she was probably still having them when she left, or I don't know, maybe she had calmed down enough to where she could kind of, I don't know, that's just wild to me, like, you arrive at the hospital, like, full-on hallucinating, and I don't know, I know people show up like that on, you know, whatever drugs kind of, you know, make you do that kind of stuff, but at the same time, like, you know, yeah, it does that. But then you do have people that also have these mental health issues and these diagnoses and these medications and stuff that they probably, you know, and they're not or taking with or doing, you know, it's a dangerous combination. Exactly. It really is. And so it should be monitored so much better. It should. And instead, it just gets dismissed that, you know, oh, she's tweaking on something or oh she's a drug addict or oh she's having a mental break or something like that you know and especially when it comes to the drugs so many people just get disregarded yeah it's like people don't have sympathy for the situation anymore like they don't have like i don't know most people i think look down on you know or like oh there are this or there that you know And I'm not going to sit here and say I haven't said similar shit in the past, but these last several years for me have taught me a lot about life. And what I think now when I see somebody on drugs visibly in public and Casey's situation was probably very typical. I'm sure most people don't start doing drugs because they're just perfectly well-balanced, happy, mentally healthy people. Right. I don't know anybody who just wakes up one day and says, Hey, you know what? I think I'll try meth. Yeah. Like it's not, it's not on a, like I said, emotionally well-rounded person. It's, it's not going to make sense, you know? So obviously you have something that guides you in that direction, but I don't know anymore. I just find myself like, I really, I have a lot more compassion in my heart. Like, am I going to give you a ride? Um, let me be clear. Fuck no. You cannot ride in my car. Right. But I feel for you. And I'll help you out my best ability. I'll give you what I can, but I'm not going to put my safety or, you know what I mean? Like I'm willing to help to an extent. And that's what I said about before is just like how Casey was. Like she probably would have given that person a ride or a blanket or food or taken them to a shelter or taken them to wherever they needed to go. Or, you know, if they needed the shirt off of her back, right? Practically, you know, whatever she had, she probably would have given them a place to stay if they needed that too. Like that's just the type of person she was, but she did get disregarded because of the fact that she was going through a season. You know, she had bounced back from addiction before and had done very well. She had stayed sober for, I think, five or six years before she ever relapsed. And she felt terrible about that because of all the time that she had put in before. But she knew that she could overcome it again. And she worked every day to be better at that. But it was like when she fell into this pattern with Nathan, it was a codependency that she just could not get herself out of. Yeah, but you gotta also, too, like, did she have these issues prior? Yes, she did. You know, the alcoholism was really, you know, an issue for a while. But my thing is, you know, yes, she has all this, like, predisposition for, you know, something... To maybe go amiss, you know, and then you think about what happened before her and him got intertwined this last time, you know, like before that. I mean, she had just had another broken marriage, another broken marriage after, you know, a long term, very good marriage that just somehow just fell apart. It was so sad because they were so, you know, that's when Casey had gotten back on drugs and alcohol again, too. And she was around Nathan. And that's when she decided that she was going to end her marriage with Greg, packed up herself and the kids went out to Oklahoma where, you know, she just couldn't do it because she was messed up herself. She was still messed up there. Her parents actually drove to Oklahoma from Florida together. And got the kids. Casey had gone to rehab. She had got herself cleaned up again. She went to Florida. Where she had built such a good life. She was doing so well. So sober. Rebuilt. Like the Casey that we know. The Casey that we know. It was her again. And then she came back up to South Carolina. And lo and behold. There it goes again. She's got Nathan in the picture again. She's got this other failed marriage. She's trying to... That was just a freaking whirlwind, by the way. It was. Yeah, she had been friends with a guy for, gosh, I know at least a little bit over a decade. Yeah, a long time. And they had been friends for a really long time. When she married Greg, she actually cut contact because of the fact that the guy had told her that he had feelings for her and Casey was just like, yeah, I can't do that, man. So she cut ties. Now after her and Greg had divorced and Casey was doing better and she had built herself up, you know, in Florida, the guy also lived in Florida. And so they were able to finally get together, have something really romantic. They did so well together. they were together for probably about six to eight months prior to them deciding that they were going to get married then they decided that they're going to have this las vegas wedding and so it was beautiful like her dress was just custom everything she had it just to her and it was done in true casey style like it was just flamboyant extra yeah but classy it was very classy and that's what she wanted and so that's what she got and then a month later it just all falls to hell Casey is going off the deep end and once again Nathan is back in the picture to provide you know comfort and You'll come for somebody else, Nathan. Right. And it just goes downhill. Well, she got away from him for a little bit there. And then she got into her own place after this other marriage of a month went to hell. And she had an episode where she was actually hallucinating. And she was screaming her social at a tree. And cops were able to get her back. I had actually gone to try to find her. And they came up to the house and said, hey, are you guys looking for a lady that lives here? And we were like, yes. And we go outside and she's across the street where they're doing some kind of construction. And she's just shouting her social at this tree over and over again. But when I said her name, it's like she snapped out of it. She had that period of lucidity again.
SPEAKER_01:So
SPEAKER_00:after that incident. She had moved to another place. She was doing phenomenal. She was doing home health care, which she absolutely loved. And she was working two jobs and she was doing it on her own. And that was one of the things that she was so proud of is that she was doing it on her own. It was hard. But she was keeping herself sober. She was being the parent she needed to be. And she was doing it on her own. So... And let's be... I mean, otherwise of just things that tend to happen. But even when she was abusing alcohol or using or what, you know, she never was a bad mom. Never. I mean, she always... I mean, I'm sure some of the things... I mean, come along with that, but, like, she always, her kids were took care of. You know, it wasn't like, yeah, I don't know. Like, she says she was off the deep end, but. Right. But her kids were took care of. They were. Like, she made allowances and, you know, and did things and probably made decisions that no mama would want to have to make. Exactly. To ensure their safety, you know. Absolutely. My only thing about all of that is, is that I just wish that her kids didn't have to ever see her that way. I know. That's the only part that really just kind of breaks my heart. But, you know, she was doing everything that she could and she was doing it, you know, on her own. Very little help from people. Now, every now and then she might. text and say that she needed some groceries or could she you know get 10 or 20 bucks for gas or something like that which hey you know what your bills are paid and you are hustling and you're doing what you need to do yeah we can do some groceries we can do some gas money i got you you know but then once again enter nathan and then casey's going downhill again she starts struggling with her bills she is struggling she's fighting with the landlord about having some things taken care of until finally that's when nathan's parents had offered the rental house and they would work with casey and that's when she moved in and i hated that because that gave nathan like a hundred percent access to her at all times and then fast forward. It's like moving the box into the hen house, you know? Exactly. Exactly. So when she went across the street, she was talking about the two guys that were breaking in her house. I truly believe she was talking about Nathan and his friend, Jonathan, because they, at that time, that was who was always going over and hanging out at Casey's house was Nathan and Jonathan. So it makes sense that Casey thought that There were two guys trying to break into her back door. That's how Nathan entered the house. Anyway, there was a front door and then there was, you know, the side door in the carport. And that was where everybody usually went. So you've got all of this. And then you fast forward to July 5th at 1030 at night. Nobody's heard from Casey. We find out that she's discharged around eight o'clock from the ER and Which they were supposed to call and have someone come. Like, I mean, when you're being discharged from the hospital, like, anytime I've been discharged from the hospital, they wheel you out. They do. And so, like, they wheeled her out to the curb and just said, get out and, like, peace. I mean, there was nobody there. They didn't ask her. No, there was nobody on television, on the closed circuit television that they have. They showed her walking out of the hospital at 8.03 p.m. and she's on foot. She goes to this van that's parked there, talks to the driver for a second, goes around, gets in the van. She's only in the van for about 30 seconds. She jumps out of the van and then proceeds walking. They were able to determine that that man was there with another person. He had dropped him off, went inside, was there and left with that same person. This was at a gas station, right? No, this was at the hospital. Oh, it was at the hospital. It was at the hospital, you know, where cars line up for discharge patients or for drop off and stuff. So when he was coming out, like this guy was just waiting in line to get over to the parking spaces and everything. He had already let out a female.
SPEAKER_01:that
SPEAKER_00:went into the ER. Casey came out, talked to the driver, and then got in. And I don't know what transpired. Or she maybe thought a shuttle or a taxi or something. I mean, because this is a hospital. I thought the same thing. I thought the same thing that she most likely she might have thought that she had gotten herself an Uber because she went to that at that time. Her car wasn't working. So she had been using Uber. The only thing is that she didn't have her phone with her at that time. So she wouldn't have been able to do that. So why the hospital didn't call anybody if Debbie had given her number for somebody to call, you know, when Casey was being released or which is what she reported. Correct. Right. That's what she told my mom. She said. She said that she had given her number and information to the EMS driver to keep contact. Now, why Casey didn't call somebody from the hospital, I don't know. Maybe she did. I don't know. They don't have her on surveillance doing that. They just have the surveillance of her leaving the hospital at 8.03 p.m., leaving on foot from the ER. She goes... to that van. Once she gets out of that van, she proceeds walking down the drive to the ER, going back towards the main road. It's like a little bus terminal there. I know exactly what you're talking about. They show her. She sits down on the bench there. This was on a Sunday at that time. None of the buses were running. They show that she sits there probably maybe 20 minutes. Then she gets up and she walks Down to the main road, she makes a left, which is West Ferris, and they see her continue walking until she's out of sight of all of their cameras. And then from there, we don't know what happened to her. So my mom texts me around 1030 saying, hey, have you heard from Casey? She's not at the hospital. We don't know where she's at. So the next morning, July 6th, Casey still has not shown up. She hasn't made any contact with anybody. I mean, not even her own parents, not her own kids, nothing. So my mom actually went and filed a missing persons report and I started a social media campaign. It was to the point that by the time my mom had gone to file the missing persons report, the investigator that took the case had already seen the post circulating on social media. So he was already familiar with the fact that Casey was gone.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Which was good. That meant that the posts were getting out there. So that was a plus.
UNKNOWN:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Um, so that's reported. Then, you know, you go to the seventh and still haven't heard anything. Now, what was really kind of strange is that Nathan sent a Facebook message to Casey's ex-husband, Greg, stating that he has no idea where Casey is, doesn't know where she may have gone. Unsolicited, right? Unsolicited. Yeah. And there wasn't like Greg messaging, like, where is Casey? Have you heard from Casey or anything? Nathan sends this message to Greg. And then what really kind of stood out is that he made mention in there that he doesn't know if Casey had her phone or not. He doesn't know where Casey's phone is. He's looked everywhere for it. And even went on to say that he's looked out in the woods and stuff when he takes Olive, the dog, out to go potty. Because they were taking care of Casey's dog at this time too. On his Facebook page. Over the next couple of days, he made several statements saying that, you know, he even helped load Casey into the ambulance and described that she wasn't wearing any shoes. He had even made comments about, oh, they saw her just on the CCTV saying that she was walking in just socks. Okay, first of all, they never downloaded the surveillance video. like they were supposed to from the hospital. So after seven days, it was deleted off of their server. Nobody saw that video. So how did Nathan know that Casey left in just socks and hospital socks at that? How did he know that? His condo is 1.1 mile away from the hospital. And it was in the direction that Casey was walking. Did she ever make it there? We don't know. Is that where she was going? We don't know. So come to find out four days later, when the investigator says that he's going to try to ping Casey's phone, that's when Nathan finally comes forward and says, oh, I've got the phone. I didn't hand it over because I was scared of getting in trouble because there being pictures on it of me smoking weed. Okay, first of all, he lied. He gave false statements to the police. And then, okay, yeah, he told the truth, or whatever the hell that version is, but told supposedly the truth. And it's okay. And they don't, nothing happens. Nothing happens. They don't even interrogate him. No. For that, like, they don't. He lied to the police. He gave false information to the police. The investigator told me it's not a crime to lie. Well, yes, the hell it is. In some cases it can be. Well, then why is it a crime to give false information? What's the difference between false information and lying? Good question. I don't know. I mean, I guess I'm going to need like a legal reference book or something because I don't understand. I don't understand the difference. I mean, to my knowledge, they mean the same thing. You would think. So nothing happens. That ticks me off because, I mean, that kind of stuff is the thing that gets overlooked. Like if you watch TV shows, you know, where they, that kind of stuff gets overlooked constantly. And if people would do their due diligence, do the work, do the job the correct way, a lot of these cases will be solved. And I understand everybody's short-staffed. But then, I'm sorry, you're going to be slow getting to whatever it is you got to get to. You might as well take another, what, however many minutes, collect something properly or save something properly or make sure you have it on, you know, downloaded before you leave if you're an investigator. Right. Right. You would think. Now, one of the things that I was glad that we had is that I had started the Casey Come Home page so that we could try to keep this present, circulate those flyers out to people you know have friends and family join and have them sharing it everywhere too because at this point we don't know what happened and we were going to i mean we went to some really really rotten places we went to some homeless encampments to pass out flyers we went to shelters and missions We went and looked under bridges and I even went to a known drug dealer's house and knocked on his door. I had a pistol with me at that time, but I just knocked on the door and I basically, look, I'm not here about your business. You know, I know what you do. Let's just put it like that. I'm not here to try to mess up your business. This is what I'm here for. Because it was a known place for, you know, people to go to get what they needed.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:So we were going at that point off of any lead that they had. Meanwhile, Nathan's sitting over there with Casey's phone for four days. And I'm just, you know, I know they can, I know that they can go back and pull it out, but I mean, it just, it makes me wonder what he's trying. Why would he keep it for four days? Okay. Why, why would he have it for four days and not a day? Right. Or not three days or not two days. You know what I mean? He was trying to figure out how to wipe it, how to get shit off of it. That's what he was trying to do. He was going through it, making sure there was nothing that would incriminate him in any type of way. Well, and here's the thing is that Casey had an iPhone. Nathan used to work at the Apple store. Okay. Well, there you go. So that made me very suspect of him in the beginning because of that, because I wanted to know the same thing. Was anything added, removed from her phone? Because you can still go in there and find that history. OK, well, his his his statement to police, you know, and asked, why did you lie? Was it? oh, I was scared because there was pictures on the phone of me smoking weed. Did they find the pictures on the phone of him smoking weed? No, he had deleted those. Okay, well then that tells them the answer. That's the answer to the question. If he went in and deleted the photos, you know he went through messages. You know he went through emails. You know he went through whatever. He probably deleted... damn brick breaker or something if her level was higher than his you know what I'm saying like something dumb like he's just fucking crazy he is of course somebody that has that kind of background and knows that much about iPhones knows that much about that product he had it for four days right I'm sorry. That's, like, that's hiding. I mean, I'm sorry, like, missing person case. That's evidence in a missing person's case. And you're hiding evidence. You're haltering evidence. Right. And nothing happens. Nothing. Nothing has happened at this. Because, in their opinion, no crime has happened. But, like, generally, when this stuff happens, I know I hear stories of people just taking off and never... But I mean, to me, it's so much more realistic that something nefarious happened than somebody just saying, fuck my life and grabbing, you know, and just hitting the highway. Yeah, exactly. Well, and we both know how Casey is, too. Like she was she had her creature comforts. She did. And she she's I'm sorry. She was so incredibly close to her family, her kids, her parents. There's just no you. There's no way. No. I don't think that she ever would have just walked away. No way possible. No. So, one of the other things that we did get is that, you know, like a few days after that, that neighbor that had recorded Casey, I had spoke with them and they told me, you know, a little bit about what had gone on over that couple of days and also sent me those videos of Casey's demeanor when she went over just in her bra and leggings and then later on that day when she went out of her window. And, then went by EMS that way. She felt like somebody was after her, that she couldn't get out of her house, and she went out of her room. Here's the question, though. Was somebody after her? Well, the neighbor did confirm that Nathan was already there when his mother pulled up. So Nathan was at the house. Nathan was at the house. When they arrived back from the hospital. Right. The first time. Yes. So the one thing that I haven't been able to get an answer to. And the one thing that I would like to know is what was it that caused the neighbor to immediately start recording at night? casey's window because that's how the video starts is it's like like he heard noise running like rumbling through the house or something or screaming or some kind of disturbance at that room something and then you see casey's window opening and her going out of it and the video that's where it starts is casey opening this window and her coming out of it so what i want to know is what was it that they saw or heard at that point in time when they're sitting outside that made them want to do that. Yeah. And another question, like another question I have, like, okay, so let's say she's in a drug induced psychosis. Okay. You know, that window I've seen the video is not a like low window. I would say it's probably what? Four foot, three and a half, four foot from the ground. Right. You know, it's average. It's like a brick branch kind of style. But the windows, I mean, they don't look that high, but when you're standing right in front of them, most of us probably would come, our head would probably just look into the window. So, I mean, that's, and there was like no, I mean, it was like a rough break. Right. When she hit the ground.
SPEAKER_01:She had already had cracked ribs, too, from where she fell over her dog.
SPEAKER_00:Right. like a week prior and had cracked her ribs falling on the floor. Okay. So then she, on top of that, she falls out of this window. Right. And I mean, you can tell she's breath. She's, I mean, she's laying there for a good second or two, you know, but it's almost like you can see her coming to and realizing, oh shit, I got to run. And I understand that can be something, but to me that had to have been actual fear that made her get up in pain like that and run. Right. For her to be in that condition and out of breath, there was something, whether real or not, at that point in time, caused her to want to try to run away or get away. I mean, she threw a bag out the window, too. Like, she was ready to leave.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And the last picture that was ever taken of her is her sitting in the driveway with scratches and, you know, blood on her arms and her looking terrified. I can genuinely say I've seen Casey's emotions and that is terror on her face. It looks like just dismay to me. You know what I mean? Just complete offendedness. I hate looking at that picture. I do too. It's a very real picture. When you think about the events and things, it's a very eerie emotional hard to get pictures for me it is now another strange thing that happened is that we had her news story it was on you know local media it was you know still going on around social media we had started gaining a following with Casey come home from friends family and you know friends of friends and Then I get a message is this was on July 24th. So it was only 19 days after Casey was reported missing. And I get a message saying that there is a utility dumpster on Casey's property. And so when. I let my mom know, hey, there's... So you mean like a construction dumpster? A construction dumpster. Not even a small one. It's like one like they're about to do some major... Renovations. Right. So it's one of those big square utility dumpsters out there. And they said that they were using it to get all of the trash out of the house. Now, Casey, I ain't never been to Casey's house. And it'd been like... So much trash. Casey liked things. She liked stuff. She liked a knickknack. You know what I mean? Like... She loved, I mean, she loved things. She didn't, she had a lot of stuff, but like she was very clean. I just can't see her. Well, I went back and I even looked on Casey's Facebook where she had pictures of herself and stuff inside the house. And, um, even when she had moved in and then when she had got new little things she had posted on Facebook because you know she was a yard sale queen and she would post all of her finds and everything on Facebook you know to her page so I had gone back and I had looked through some of those pictures that were more recent for like April and May and even some that were in June there is no way in that amount of time from that last picture in June to let's just say July 5th when she went missing, that there would be that much accumulated trash that they would need a utility dumpster to clean it out. And why are they cleaning this out right now? It's not even a full 30 days. We don't even know where Casey is. It was 19 days. I mean, that's pitiful. I mean, that tells me they know something. Well, that's when my mom decided to coordinate with them and they got everything out of Casey's house. I was actually not allowed to go. because I had basically told Nathan that if I found out that he had anything to do with Casey's disappearance and the fact that he held onto the phone for those four days and lied about it, then I was, I would hurt him. And I stand by that. I stand on business with that. And you can take that as a threat or you can take that as a promise, or you can take that as a damn bank. I mean, I wasn't allowed on their property and I respected that. I did not go over there to the property when they were moving Casey's things out of the house. But at that point, point in time my mom actually got in Nathan's face because he was just going on about something and he reeked of alcohol and of course this is a time if you think about it he comes in he's wearing a COVID mask and my mom can still smell alcohol and she got up in his face and told him the same thing you better hope you didn't have anything to do with this I can't I mean I know that I mean, things happen to people. For me, I don't see a way that they're not involved more than they say. Right. I mean, this is all just circumstantial. And here's the thing that we also have to understand is it's not about what we personally believe. It's about what we can prove. Well, I mean, it's just, like I said, I'm deducing. If I were just reading this online, like a book or watching it like a true crime documentary or whatever. Right. You start to pick up like, Hey, this is no, maybe not. Of course I, in the beginning. Yeah. All that would have definitely, I would have been an agreement that he definitely was hiding something. Right. You know, but his behavior after that, And since then has done nothing but show that he is, first of all, not wanting to participate in any of the rescue things, you know, any of the handing the flyers out. No, he didn't do anything. He lied about it. Well, yeah, he did do that. When I had created a flyer, I was emailing it to people who were printing them out in their areas. and going and putting them out at different locations. And people were going out in the neighborhoods around the hospital and stuff and passing out flyers to people. Nathan said that he went out with his friend, Lisa, and they went to go put flyers out. And I had emailed a copy of this to Lisa as well. The email, like the interchange between you and him, you said? sent her? Yeah, so he told me that he and Lisa had gone out and put flyers out. Okay. And because neither he nor Lisa had a car at the time, they went as far as they could on foot around the Augusta Road area, which is one of the other main roads that leads to West Ferris that leads to the hospital. So like I said, Nathan only lived... 1.1 mile away so that's a prime area to be putting out flyers except for when i talked to lisa to tell her thank you for going and putting those flyers out She told me, oh, I haven't heard from Nathan since all of this happened. And she said, I wasn't able to get the flyers to print on my printer for some reason. So he just boldface lied. He boldface lied. Lisa had not. For no reason. Like you didn't ask. You didn't say, hey, did you hand flyers out? No. He said, Lisa and I. Went and put flyers out together. And we went on foot since neither of us have a car. Bro, he is something else. Right. Cool. So that kind of raised a red flag with me on that too, because now you've completely lied about even trying to help. So I ended up. He did post that weird ass, my best friend's missing with no information on it. Right. And to contact him. Right. Like he didn't even put her last name. No, he just put her last name. But what was. No, he said like my, my friend Casey is missing. Oh yeah. That's what it was in a picture of her that really didn't even look like she did when she went missing. And it was only from like her nose up. Yeah. It was just like, he didn't, it was strange. It was really like really strange behavior is what it was. It was, it was a half ass post and we looked at it too. And we're like, wait a minute. What? But like, but like you said, with the eyes peeking and not, it's just like a, it was almost like a, like a suggestion. Right. Like, yeah, yeah. maybe keep an eye out or if you hear anything or whatnot. Now I will say a couple of years later, we did another flyer distribution and the local box station was with us and covered us going door to door in that area, putting out flyers. And I made sure that they got me putting one on his front door. And I screenshot that I did. I posted that on Facebook because I thought, you know what? You're going to know that we haven't stopped. You haven't said anything for all of these years. You haven't helped. You haven't checked in on the family. His family has not checked in on our family. Hasn't said anything. Nathan does not want to go in and talk to the cops. He says it's because of his anxiety. Well, baby, I got anxiety, too. But I just be talking all the time. Oh, God. Like, who don't? Right. So basically, those are all of these things. And we had... know a couple other leads i don't want people to think that we just focused on solely nathan because there were a couple of people that had come forward that had leads that they thought um they had seen casey for example there was one there was a a lady that lived in an area not far from there called five forks and she could have sworn that she saw casey over in her subdivision and come to find out it was a girl that actually looked very similar to casey it's the hair it was the hair it was that hairstyle it was and this girl also had a same petite build that casey did it's just that it was another resident that lived in that subdivision that just happened to look like Casey. But what that told us right there is people were looking, people were seeing, they were trying to match these things up. And if it was something that looked like it could be possible or feasible, they weren't holding back to bring forward that information. So even if it was a dud, it was still a lead. Right. And that's what, I mean, that's, I mean, obviously the first lead that came through solved everything. That would be wonderful. Right. You know, but, but leads lead anything anybody knows or thinks they may know. And, you know, I understand why some people might fear telling things, you know, for their own safety. And, you know, I understand that type of, you know, scenario. I don't know if I was in a situation where I feared for my life. I don't know what I would do until I was in that situation to where what I would tell or what I wouldn't tell, you know? Right.
UNKNOWN:Right.
SPEAKER_00:I'd like to think I would do the right thing because I've got myself in trouble, you know, for doing it my whole life. I feel like so. Right. Well, I mean, I feel like I would. It was to the point that around February of March of 2021, Abby and Dave, my husband, went into Walmart in the area where Casey lived. And when they went in there, there was a lady that was leaving and And of course, this was still times of COVID where masking up was still going on. And so this woman had a mask on. She had on long sleeves and she had on like yoga pants and the boots. And it's exactly like what Casey would have worn. And it was to the point that they both did a double take and tried to go right back out the door and find out where this woman went because they wanted to confirm that it was not Casey. or confirm if it was, but it was enough to make them turn around and go back out the door to follow this woman. Right. The investigator went and pulled up the surveillance. All they had was side surveillance and like top surveillance where she was putting money into the machine at self-checkout. But at that time, they didn't have the cameras that was recording your face. So all I had to go off of was trying to look at the hands to see if I could see any tattoos or see if I could, you know, debunk it somehow. It was never confirmed or denied that it was Casey. So that gave us hope right there that maybe she's still in the area. Maybe she did walk away, you know, maybe something happened. So then, and later on that year, Of 2021, what we found out is, no, I'm sorry, of 2020, is later that year around October, November, that rental house that Casey was living in was completely renovated. The one owned by Nathan's parents that was directly next door to their own home. So they own two adjoining properties. Well, the way that it's set up is that the rental property sat close to the road. but it shared a driveway. And when you go past Casey's house up the driveway, Nathan's parents' house sat behind there on a good piece of land. Okay. I got you. Yeah. So that's how that was set up. So you couldn't see Nathan's parents' house from the road. You could only see Casey's house. Right. We were actually driving through there and we passed it and we turned around and went past it again because I couldn't, I could not believe anything. that it had been completely renovated that way it was it wasn't even brick anymore it had like a whole wooden front porch on it wraparound porch everything had been painted white the door was redone everything was done and what i found out is that nathan's brother his wife and their new baby had moved in there but i mean and of course if it's their property you know it is If they're not doing something grimy by trying to... But I'm saying, I remember the house, seeing pictures, and it was not in bad shape. It was a nice house. The finishes weren't very old. No, not at all. I would say it had probably been remodeled within the last... Eight to ten years, it looked... Yeah, it was fairly modern. Yeah, like, I mean, it had... It was a clean slate kind of thing. It wasn't like it needed to be gutted because it had ugly features. It was... No, it was a perfectly fine house. It was cute as could be. And Casey loved that house. She decorated it and made it her own as Casey did. You know, she loved that house. So it was just really odd that from July to... October, maybe the end of October, early November, that this house was completely renovated, redone. It's like, as soon as Casey went missing, okay, we're going to clean out this house. Oh, we're just getting trash out. But then we're going to turn around and we're going to renovate this house and do all of this stuff to it in a matter of a few months. So that just kind of threw up a red flag. Yeah, I mean, people can argue the point maybe that Well, it was their house, and she wasn't answering or responding, and this is me playing devil's advocate. You know, they couldn't get a hold of her, and, you know, they wanted their house and her stuff, and that's fine, but, like, why wouldn't they call one of y'all and say, look, you know, Casey's missing, and You know, we don't really know what's going on, but we just are kind of out. We're kind of out. And when she comes back, we really are just want to kind of wash our hands of the situation. And that would have been absolutely cool. Right. But they didn't do that. They didn't do any of that. They did not keep any of that communication. And like I said, I don't want people to think that we just focus strictly on Nathan because there were people that would send us pictures. They would send us, you know, screenshots of things that they had found. They would send us cases. Anytime something came up on the news, they would send us news articles about it, about a missing person that was found or remains that had been found. I mean, they would send us things constantly. So everything that we got, we forwarded to the investigator because we wanted everything to be looked at. There was even a girl that had come forward and said that she had gone on a date with a guy who was a doctor over at the ER. He was in pediatric ER, but she met him on an app. They went out on a date and he said something to the effect of that he would like to be able to strangle someone just to watch the light leaving or life leaving their eyes to the point that she abruptly ended the date and it skis her out so bad. You're going to get creepozoids anyway on some of these apps, but you're not thinking about a doctor who has taken an oath to, you know, not harm. Right. Well, to shitty people, oath don't mean nothing. You know what I mean? Right. So you got this doctor saying that, yeah, you know, and it would be somebody like a homeless person or something. Now, here's the thing is that this particular one lives near the hospital and lives near a park that is close to the hospital. So we've looked into that, too, to see, you know, has Casey... come in contact with him at the hospital that night was he off work that night could he have seen Casey going because this you think about it it was July 4th weekend people were out and about there was a lot of traffic even though it was times of COVID they had started opening up things and people were masking up and social distancing and things like that but things were more open so even if it wasn't the traffic that it would normally be downtown on a normal 4th of July when there wasn't a pandemic going on, even half of that traffic is still a good bit of traffic. Yeah, I agree. I agree. So we wanted somebody, anybody that had any kind of information to come forward. So I just wanted to say that just to say like Nathan was not our only lead. This is just something that matches up. We've had, uh, you know, private investigators in on this too. We've tried every other lead that we could think of. So that's just something else that we found out. Then I had somebody that came forward and said too, that there is a friend of Nathan's who passed away from an OD. that he and Nathan used to do drugs together. He was actually very artistic. He did photography. He had a lot of things going from before him. He had a bad breakup and then he OD'd by accident. So we didn't know if maybe Nathan had something to do with that because he was always into drugs and things of that nature. Could he have been partying with this guy, you know? But the sister said that they did know each other, but she couldn't confirm if they had ever done anything together. But I do know for a fact that Casey and Nathan have done drugs together. But that was another part in the message that he put to Greg is that he didn't know anything. What she may have been on. What kind of drugs. She was hallucinating. If she was on drugs, he didn't know where she would have gotten them from. That he doesn't do those kind of things. Which was another bold-faced lie. Because I know for a fact that he has. I have seen him high. I know that he would give things to Casey. There were times where I saw Casey exchange Xanax for weed. He would give her Xanax. She would give him weed. So I know that they did... The barter and trade system, I know that they ran with a lot of the same people, the same crowd, knew a lot of the same bad stuff. So that's just when we put everything together, it just doesn't add up. The math ain't mapping. But we'll go into a little bit more about what's been done since and where we are now on our next week's episode. So, best friend, you ready to get on out of here? Let's get on out of here. Alright, well tell your mama and then we'll holler at them next week. We'll holler.
