Ep 33 - How to Get the Most Value Out of Your Ayurveda Sessions

Episode 33: How to Get the Most Value Out of Your Ayurveda Sessions

How do you actually benefit from Ayurveda sessions—or any kind of coaching, mentoring, or guidance?

In this episode, I explore what truly makes a difference in how much value you receive from this kind of work. Drawing from the classical Ayurvedic text Ashtanga Hridayam, I share the key qualities that make someone more receptive to healing, learning, and lasting change.

We talk about what it means to be resourced (beyond just finances), why discomfort is often part of the process, and how trust in your practitioner can completely shift your experience. I also speak about the importance of having a beginner’s mind—and why the “basic” practices we tend to dismiss are often the ones that create the deepest transformation.

This is an episode about how you show up—and how that shapes what you take away.

Whether you’re working with Ayurveda, yoga, or any kind of personal support, this conversation will help you deepen your capacity to receive and integrate what’s offered.

In this episode:

• What “being resourced” really means in Ayurveda
• Why discomfort can be necessary for change
• The role of trust in a client–practitioner relationship
• How “I already know this” can block transformation
• Why repetition is essential for embodiment
• The importance of communication in your healing process
• How to recognize the value of subtle, intangible shifts

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Transcript

Welcome And Why This Matters

Speaker 0:02

Hi and welcome to the Lean on Ayurveda Podcast. Here we explore how the ancient wisdom of Ayurveda can help us gain a deeper understanding of our body and open the gateway to finally feeling better.

Ancient Text On Being A Patient

Wealth As Being Resourced

Discomfort Triggers And Staying Present

Trusting Your Teacher Is On Your Team

Beginner Mind And Humility

Repetition That Finally Lands

Communication That Deepens Results

Tangible Versus Intangible Value

Your Next Step And Closing

Speaker 1 0:21

Hi! Thank you for tuning into episode 33. My name is Vytaute, I'm your host, and today's episode has been on my mind for a while now, and I had originally planned to only share it with my clients because this episode is about how to get the most value out of your sessions. So of course I planned it with my clients in mind. However, I personally think this episode is incredibly valuable for everyone. And no matter if you um are working with a different Ayurvedic practitioner or even with it, you know, with um a teacher, a mentor, or a guide in another area of your life, you will still get lots of value from this episode. So since I think it's gonna serve quite a lot of people in my audience, I am making it public. So I hope you enjoy it. And if you do end up um implementing something from it, or if you find that today's conversation shifts something in you, let me know. So, how to get the most value out of your Ayurveda sessions? As always, I love to use the original source of Ayurvedic knowledge, right? So the collection of scriptures that we have available as a foundation for um any discussion that we can be having about Ayurveda. And I'm not saying that you know we only rely on what is written on the written word, right? Because written word needs to be interpreted, it needs to be adapted to our times, and there's also modern nuance, right, that needs to be taken into account. But I um also think it's incredibly helpful to have like a starting point in any topic that we might be unpacking in Ayurveda. So when we're thinking how can we use our Ayurvedic sessions for the best result possible, we can actually start looking at what are the recommendations that have been written down thousands of years ago. Okay, so here I will be um quoting a text that is called Ashtanga Hridayam, and there is um a sutra there that is dedicated to the patient and what it takes to be a good patient. So this particular sutra describes different qualities of a patient that if one has them, it makes them more likely to benefit from the treatment. One more thing to take into consideration is that of course, this particular sutra has been written in in the context of this like medical and clinical relationship, right, between the practitioner, between a Vaidya, and between the patient. But we can take the wisdom that is held in the sutra that we will unpack together to also apply to any relationship that we might have with a teacher, with a coach, with a mentor. At least that is what I am doing in my personal life, and I want to share it with you in case you also find it helpful. All right, so the very first quality that is mentioned in this sutra is the word adio, and adio in Sanskrit refers to wealth. Okay, so we could take it in the literal sense that you know the first quality of a patient must be that um they basically have enough money to finance their treatment. But what I am taking from this, and this is what um you know the many commentaries of this ancient text are actually pointing to as well, is that the word wealth needs to be taken in a wider sense of the word. So, for example, one commentary um that I have refers to a patient not being of a poor mind, right? In a sense that um there is a certain contentment or capacity to have contentment in the mind. Because if we are poor in the mind, meaning that we always feel lack, there is never enough, there's never, you know, things are always not good enough, and um, you know, these are the patterns that will make it really difficult for us to progress on our health journey, right? So having this wealth of mind in a sense that we're able to hold contentment, right? Um, at least sometimes. And one word that is coming um to my mind when I'm thinking about the sutra, especially, is the word resourced. In my opinion, the word resourced reflects that Sanskrit term for wealth beautifully because it encompasses, of course, the you know the the financial basis, right? That we need to when we seek help, we need to be able to mobilize our resources, right? It's just simply uh the nature of things. So um to bring in a personal example, right now I am in I'm working with two different teachers in a group format where I am part of group programs, but there is another teacher of mine with whom I've worked with many times before, um, who's kind of changed her format the way she works with students, and so now I am saving up for um a one-on-one journey with her that is gonna be a lot longer in nature, and it's a very considerable investment, right? But since it's a teacher that I appreciate enormously, I have already developed a lot of trust. Um, and I am actually really excited about this process of you know mobilizing my resources and like thinking about it in a creative way, and it's gonna take me a while to build that up, but like I have every intention of making that happen, right? And I don't know yet how I'm gonna make it happen, like I don't have that money sitting in my bank account to be used freely for it, you know. But I am actually enjoying this process of brainstorming, of creating it, it makes me feel alive, right? Because it's something that um I know is going to be incredibly valuable for me, and um, I can't wait to be in that space with her, yeah. So um this for me is an example of how being resourceful is showing up in my life, and this wasn't always the case, um, you know, because I have been um at the beginning of my journey, especially in this place of like this would be too much effort, this would this is not for me, uh I don't have time, I don't have the money, um, you know, and kind of like always using the circumstances to um justify staying in the same place as I was, and I think that had a lot to do with um you know my desire not being strong enough and giving the circumstances more weight than you know actually giving weight to the inner resources that we have, right? Because being resourced does not mean that you have everything available, but it means that you are willing to have skin in the game. I think that's actually a very good term. Um because what this is pointing to, right, this uh material resourcefulness is basically pointing to us having skin in the game when we engage in a learning relationship in a in a teaching relationship, right? So that we are engaged essentially. The best proof for this is you know, there is so much free information out there, there are so many free offers, but none of them are really changing people, really. I think there needs to be an incredibly strong inner discipline for us to like when we don't give something up, for us to go out and make stuff happen, right? Because when we don't give something up, essentially we're not making more space for that new thing, right? So when we're paying forward with the resources that we have, it's like we're saying there is space for this in my life, right? There is space for me to make effort in that area. I am now engaged with this, right? Because I have voted with my resources to allocate time for this in my life, in my schedule, right? So that's why I feel like this um, you know, this piece of having the necessary material wealth, um, you know, it's it's important, but it's not the whole picture, right? So the other side of the coin of wealth is that resourced mind. And for me, a resourced mind is a mind of somebody who is equipped to stay in discomfort if it arises. Okay, so this is not something that's like specifically named in the text or anything, but this is like what um you know, from the experience that I've had, either you know, me being on the seat of a student or me being in the seat of the counselor, healing work inevitably brings up discomfort, right? Because without discomfort, there can't really be a change, right? Um, one of my teachers um often uses this metaphor, which um uh which really speaks to me. Um, she uses this metaphor of like a kitchen renovation that everyone wants a new kitchen, everyone wants a beautiful, spacious, fresh kitchen, but no one wants to live in the transformation that turns your you know current scrappy kitchen into a beautiful kitchen because it's really uncomfortable to be in, you know, when the works are going on and when everything's this dismantled and everything's on the floor, and um and and you can't use it, you can't cook your meals, and there's dust everywhere, right? No one wants that, but without that, you can't have your beautiful kitchen. So I am borrowing this metaphor here because um, you know, in Ayurvedic sessions, discomfort does arise sometimes because we look at um at our patterns deeply, right? We look at what we repeat every day and why we repeat, we look at what we think every day and why that is, right? And so my job when you are in the seat of the student, of the client, um, you know, my job is help you see what is helpful, and there's also a lot of stuff that is not helpful that you're currently doing, and sometimes it's uncomfortable to see these things. Sometimes we get triggered, sometimes we need to hear something that doesn't land well. This has actually happened to me with um one of the teachers that I worked with, um whom I appreciated very much, and I still appreciate him very, very much. Um and I remember I had a mentoring session with him at a time that was circumstantially very difficult for me. I was going through something um that felt very big, and I sat in a session with him, and um and um I explained what was going on, I explained what was happening in my mind, like the thoughts that I was thinking, and he said something. He said one sentence, it was actually a question, it was actually an open-ended question, and that question floored me because it was the most like it showed a very ugly part of me, you know, um, that I needed to accept, and I wasn't um like I wasn't even aware that it was there, and suddenly he asked me this question, and I was like, No, how could you like my first thoughts were like can't you see I'm sad here? Um but um I think because my mind was resourced enough, I was able to like sit through it, and I was able to stay in that discomfort of the moment, right? Um, and that allowed me to move on in a way that wouldn't have been possible if he had not asked me that question. Because I suddenly saw something that I hadn't seen before in myself, and um this is an example how um when we are resourced in a way that um we're not gonna choose the exit strategy the moment we feel discomfort. It's like imagine if you're if you're going to a dentist, right? You're going to get help, and then the dentist is like, yeah, you're gonna feel some discomfort here, and you're like, Oh no, bye. You're like, get up from the chair with a hole in your tooth or whatever, and you leave. And this actually happens. I literally had um very recently, I had a case um of a client who was not able to move through emotional triggers, right? That was her pattern, and so that is an example um where you know, if if that is your pattern, if you're not able to stay through emotional triggers, um that means you need a different kind of help, you need different therapeutic tools that will help you to hold yourself when a trigger comes up in life, right? Because if the moment you feel triggered, your default is to run, um then you know, you you can't like it, it's very difficult for somebody to guide you through a transformation, right? For somebody who's like, let's say not like trained in trauma work or um, because ayuretic work is not trauma work, it can go hand in hand, it can accompany it, but it will not replace it, right? So that that is you know, if you are in the space that you notice you can't hold triggers, like you're not resourced enough to um stay with a trigger, then you might want to be working on that capacity, right? If you want to engage in like longer containers, you can absolutely do like you know, if if you want to do Ayurvedic work, you can absolutely do like your you know dosha assessment and all these things and like be implementing um implementing stuff along the way, but if you want to be um you know, if you want to be working in a context of a one-on-one journey, which is a transformational journey, you need to have that capacity, right? When the the moment something triggers you that you're able to stay and you're able to explain, right? Hey, you know, uh when you said this, this came up, or you know, there needs to be that capacity to navigate a trigger. And um I think it was last week, um, anyway, quite recently, I sent an email to my um newsletter community talking about trust, you know, and trusting that like once we choose our teacher, once we choose our counselor, our mentor, our coach, what whatever you know that figure is, once we choose them wisely, right? So you're sure about your choice, like you you you have like talked to that person, you've experienced some some of their like maybe I don't know, like writing or free lectures or whatever, and like you've chosen them for for this teaching relationship, for this um counseling relationship, right? What has been And incredibly helpful for me is then from that moment on being in the knowing that that person is on my team. That for me is very important. It's a thought that allows me to um get more value out of that relationship. Okay. Because if I go into that relationship trusting that that person is rooting for me, everything they say, first of all, I will be able to um take it from a place of benevolence, even if it's something hard. Like in that example, when I explained, you know, when um one of my mentors said that hard thing for me, like in in in the uh format of an open question, which showed me a very ugly part of me that I did not want to see, right? Um, since it was a relationship of trust, like there was no no part of me that was in that moment busy thinking that you know this person doesn't have my best interest in mind, or this person is judging me, or this person is um, you know, um somewhat evil, trying to show me something ugly when I am already feeling bad, right? Having that trust that this person is on my team allows me to be available to whatever they have to say, and I always take it, you know, whichever teacher um uh I might be listening to, I always take what they say, assuming that they have my best interest in mind. So even if it comes out to be something that's difficult to hear, I'm able to hold it because I know it's coming from love. I know it's coming from a place of them wanting to see me thrive, to see me feel better. And I also want to talk about a different nuance of this idea of having a resourced mind that you know we might not immediately make a connection between the two, but for me, these two are inseparable. Um, I feel when my mind is resourced, I have enough trust in myself to have a beginner's mind. I have enough confidence in myself to have a beginner's mind. And that is so important if you are ever wanting to dive into any of the Vedic disciplines, whether it's yoga, whether it's Ayurveda, whether it's um Vedic astrology or whichever um whichever branch of the Vedic tradition, and I believe in probably any other area really. Um, but I feel this is so important in the context of when we're thinking of how can I get more value out of this work, how can I reap more benefits of this commitment that I made. And I'll explain why. Um, I remember one of the very first um Vedic counseling sessions that I got. I um, and this was like at the very beginning, like just when I started studying Ayurveda, um I had this experience where like I paid for my sessions, and um this counselor, he ended up in in my view, he was very basic, right? And this was me, you know, uh this was me describing my experience from um the place of like I've just studied Ayurveda, right? So I already know all these things. How you know I I'm not paying you like was it like $300 or whatever it was back in the day, I don't know, but like to tell me that I need to breathe, I already know that, I already studied that. This was like a very um, you know, not now that I look back at the version of me back then, um it was very comical. And I think I I I I know he had compassion for me, and um uh you know I'm still working with this person after all these years, and uh he's one of the wisest people I know. But um back in the day, I'm sure he must have had thoughts like, oh this girl, luckily I grew out of it pretty fast. Uh I was humbled very quickly, but my point is sometimes when we go into um you know, um, when we go into um Ayurvedic work, not sometimes, very often, in fact, I would be very concerned if this wasn't the case, but you will be taken back to the very primal things, right? How you breathe, how you eat, right? It's these very basic things that our human mind is so quick to dismiss. It's incredible, and this especially happens with students who are new, with people who are new, and it's almost like they get shocked if you're like, okay, we're gonna spend 10 minutes of our session just breathing, and they're like automatically like calculating, oh, how much is this gonna cost me in money? Like, I could be breathing on my own, I already know how to breathe, I've already like done you know, pranayama via YouTube once. Our human mind is incredible at that, and I I was the same. I thought for some reason um that the very fundamentals where it's almost like I perceived that this was beneath me, and I needed some other advice, I needed some more sophisticated advice, um, you know, because I have completed my Ayurveda studies, and so, you know, now it needs to be something more complicated than breathing. I have such a smile on my face right now because I'm like holding that version of me all these years ago with so much compassion. Um, and um, and I'm so glad that she learned to be humble and she learned to have a beginner's mind again, and she was willing to hear the same stuff repeated to her over and over and over and over, and the version of me now actually has even more appreciation when stuff is repeated, stuff that I've studied and read and heard my teacher say millions of times. Right now, whenever I hear something again, my thoughts are like, Oh, it's so good that I'm being reminded. I clearly needed this reminder, as opposed to I've already heard about this. Um, one of my um teachers once told me um that when people say, Oh, I know, oh I know about this already, yeah, what they actually mean is I have zero intention of doing anything about this in my life right now. This is what it means when we say I know, right? So when your um you know I write a counselor or your yoga teacher or whoever tells you um, you know, maybe go back to your breath, and you're like, oh I know. Oh, no. This is what you're really saying. You're saying I have very little intention to do anything about this. I don't have space for this in my mind right now. This is what we mean, and so I I kind of like stopped saying I know when I hear good advice. Because the reason why we're hearing good advice again and again is because we don't know. Right? Just because we have heard something and we're familiar with something doesn't mean that we're embodying it, and if we keep on hearing it over and over, it means that there's work to be done. I remember also, um, just another story, um, the first time I was given a mantra to work with. It was a very short mantra, it was Ganapati mantra. Um, and my um my first question was like, for how long? When can I move on to the like bigger ones, you know, longer ones? And it was that same teacher, and he was like, Oh girl, you're gonna be doing this for a while, and I was doing it for a while, for quite a few years before I moved on to other things, and so like when I go into my sessions, whether it's with the with the teacher in a group setting or whether it's in a one-on-one setting, I kind of like put all my knowing aside, and I um keep my mind open for whatever is going to come to me through the teacher in that you know space of an hour or whatever it is. Um, and I kind of trust that that is the you know the right thing for me to hear in this moment. I once had a client who couldn't stop arguing with me. Like she wasn't arguing with me personally, but she was arguing with Ayurvetic principles. And it was really comical in a way, because you know, we would like um unpack something, like unpack an Ayurvedic principle, um, for example, like something around intuitive eating, right? And she would be like constantly like saying, you know, no, but it actually doesn't work like this. Um and there wasn't space in her mind for anything else but what she understood to be true, you know? So that when when we show up like that, when we don't have that openness, it basically makes us non-receptive. And we when we come into a teaching relationship or like a relationship that is dedicated to a transformation of sorts, when we come into a such a relationship without being receptive, um, it's just not gonna work, right? Because we're gonna be holding on to what like we think is right, and it's not to say that um you know our experience is not valid, that's not what I'm saying, but alongside with our experience, we need to have this opening, right? This opening for suggestion on how to move forward, and the beautiful thing about having a beginner's mind um is that you know it's not like we're leaving everything we know behind, we're just setting it aside, taking in what we can from our session, and then there is integration work, right? And when we do integration work, that is when what we heard will kind of mesh in with our experience so far, right? And that's why being in a longer teaching relationship with a teacher or a mentor is so valuable because then we can bring to them um the fruits of that integration work, and on top of that, having a beginner's mind also means that you'll be willing to hear the same things being repeated to you over and over in different ways. You will be receptive to that, and what will happen inevitably as you receive these reminders said in different ways, sometimes by different people, right? That's why it's sometimes valuable to, you know, work with one teacher, then try another teacher, because it could be that they talk about the same thing from slightly different angles, and they say the same truth in different ways, and one of these ways will land with you in a way that it hasn't landed before, and it's not that it's something that you you know that was new information, sometimes it's information you've heard a million times packaged differently, and that is the value because one of these times you will hear something that you have heard a million times before and it will change your life. It has happened to me. Um, I have heard my teachers repeat repetition is um essential in the yogic tradition. Abyasa, repeating what is auspicious, and we're repeating stuff every day anyway. We're repeating our anxious thoughts, we are repeating, you know, like if you have a pattern of emotional eating, that is what you're repeating. So we are always repeating stuff, right? Um, and it's good if some of the things that we repeat are of auspicious nature, they are rooted in something timeless and they bring us back to our bodies, they bring us back to our essence, right? So repetition is of incredible value. I have signed up to redo programs with my teachers only to repeat what I think I already absorbed, but I wanted to repeat it again. Like I see value in repeating what is good, I see value in coming back to an experience and doing it again, and doing it again, and doing it again, and seeing how that changes how you know um how I show up in it differently, like seasonal cleanses. If you've done one cleanse in your life, you may have had an experience, you know, that was A, B, C, whatever that experience was for you. If you would go back and do cleanses regularly, fall, spring, fall, spring, again and again, year after year, you would notice the value in that repetition because the version of you that is coming back to each cleanse is different. It has learned things and it's approaching the process in a different way. So being willing to hear and to repeat the fundamentals over and over and over again is of monumental value the way that I see it. So when when I started recording this podcast, I thought that we'd be able to unpack the whole sutra um from this ancient scripture about the qualities of the patient, but um it took me 40 minutes to do one word, so we were not we're not gonna be doing that. Um, but there there is an another quality that I wanted to um bring up real quick, um, because I think it's really really useful to keep in mind, and um that quality is in Sanskrit nyapaka. Okay, so it can translate as being communicative. So the way that I see it is um you know being willing to give feedback, being able to receive feedback, but also being able to give feedback, right? Communicating, and especially in you know, in an Ayurveda context, when we're working with your habits, with your routines, with your thought patterns, what is incredibly helpful and like not only for me as somebody who guides you, but also for you, it for you to integrate the change that is happening or the learnings that are happening, right? As you go into your environment and then you try to um apply what we have talked about, and you know, as your awareness deepens and you start noticing things, right? Being able to communicate about that because there's one thing when we notice things in our head, right? And then it stays in our head, and then we like ruminate on it, and and it it's kind of like sitting in the same juice, and um there's a whole other value when we can communicate, articulate whatever it is that we have learned or experienced, and we get it out into the world, right? So, in this particular relationship, if we can communicate what is happening for us, what is it that we're noticing in our body, what is it that we're noticing, you know, in in our mind and how how we move through through the day, how is our body responding to uh the way that we are feeding it as we are like shifting things, right? So that um quality of having the capacity to communicate and to articulate is going to be very important in terms of the results that you can expect, right? So, naturally, the more communicative you can be about what is happening for you, the more like the better positioned I am to guide you, and also the more you will integrate. So, this is something that I see, for example, in In the spring cleanses that um that I guide, which is um a bit of a different setting because there it's a group experience, but when people say out loud what they experienced during a cleanse, so we have these like opening sessions and closing sessions each time where you have the opportunity to do so. Um, you know, we learn from each other's experience, and when we say things out loud, it takes on a different spin. Okay, so sometimes even just repeating your thoughts out loud, not even like to a person. Um, I was actually working with a client just recently on a very specific issue that she was having. She was having like all of these thoughts about a particular situation that was causing her a lot of distress. And I just had her say her thoughts out loud to me without necessarily responding with like you know, feedback, but just saying them out loud. And she said them out loud, and she was like, Oh, okay, they don't seem as scary anymore, right? So this um I find that like out of the whole sutra, this resourcefulness piece and this communication piece are so so important to cultivate and to consider if our aim is to make sure that our Ayurveda sessions are as valuable as possible. And one more thing, just like thinking of value in general, like we will find that you know for for different people different things might feel valuable, right? And here when you're working with um something um more subtle, right? When we're working with a subtle body, with the emotional body, um as well as the physical body, um, what can be interesting is like how do you define value? Because there sometimes value can be more easily defined when it's tangible, right? I think our brain really recognizes value first as tangible. Like I paid and I got a pack of five of whatever, right? That is like very, very tangible, and that's easy for our brains to grasp, but at least you know, from the Ayurvedic perspective, when we're when we are in in the world of Ayurveda and yoga, the tangibles, what what they might look like is like you know, I invest money and I get a certification, right? That's something I can grasp. Like I am doing a yoga teacher training or an Ayurveda certification, like that is tangible. But what the missing piece is the embodiment piece, embodiment piece is more difficult to perceive, right? So, for example, this happens to me sometimes. Sometimes I will have like you know, nutrition coaches, um, or you know, people who work with who are already like coaching in some kind in in the wellness um sphere. Um they might reach out to me and um and and kind of ask like indirectly, like if I do your program, can I teach like can I use it to coach my clients? Right? So this is like wanting to um get a tangible value by bypassing what is intangible first, and the intangible piece is you actually living it, you doing it, right? If you're a yoga teacher, you might like this might feel familiar to you, like when you get your yoga certification, you know it's just the beginning of your yoga learning journey. Just like for me, Ayurveda learning will never be over until the day I die, and then I will be reborn, and probably I will study it again for lifetimes and lifetimes to come. Right? So even though we got the tangible result of like getting a certification or you know, certificate, whatever whatever it is that feels that we can grasp, right? As I said, like I buy and I get a pack of five. If we only focus on what's really concrete, we are going to miss out on a lot, heaps and heaps of intangible value, and I stand firm by the idea that it's in the intangibles where we can find fulfillment, and so when I am, you know, choosing my journeys with my teachers, my mentors, I always look at what's the intangible, and usually it's the intangible value that brings me towards them, right? So, for example, for me right now, one of the intangibles that I value incredibly is the feeling of being supported, right? So that is an example that you know doesn't fit into the category of I buy, I get a pack of five, right? Because it's a feeling. But since I have the awareness of how helpful it feels for me to feel like I'm supported and invest in, you know, structures that support me, right? Whether that's in terms of my routine, whether that's investing into my marriage, whether that's investing into my mentors and teachers who can hold me in their support, I see that value as one of my top priorities, and I'm willing to be resourceful to make sure that I have more of that in my life, right? Um, and it's something that I noticed. Like when it's not there, when I'm feeling less supported, I notice. And um, it can take a while for us to start noticing the intangibles, but when we once we do, we will find that without these things that we can't grasp, these things that might feel like air, you know, like might feel like fluff at first when like our mind is not used to seeing that as value, uh, such as you know, being the feeling of being supported, uh, the feeling of being guided, or noticing that we have more awareness of our body. That is definitely feels very intangible, right? Um but once we start to notice these things, we will realize that if all these things were to go away, our life quality would dramatically shift to the negative side, right? So it's very often these intangible things that we don't we don't yet see as value, but they are actually very, very valuable. And you know, if they were to disappear, we would take a hit, it would not feel nice. I have um a personal client story to share um in in this context of learning to notice value. So uh I was working, um, one of my clients had um a lot of anxiety. Um, he was a very like anxious person, and I remember in one of the check-ins, um he replied, I asked him how he was doing, and he replied something along the lines of you know, really nothing much is changing. Um, but I am slowing down to breathe multiple times a day. And I was like, wow, for me, this is monumental value to have somebody who's constantly living in a pattern of in a pattern of anxiety to be slowing down to breathe multiple times per day. Okay, so this was this was something that like I saw as valuable, and my client wasn't yet like aware of the value of what was happening to him, right? And in the end, you know, in the end, we see that intangible translates into tangible anyway, because it directs our actions, right? So um I remember a particular example from this case that um he told me that he stopped avoiding eye contact with strangers in elevators, right? So that was a tangible thing that he saw that like something shifted in the way that he was out and about in the world, right? So that is one way to measure something immeasurable like anxiety, right? And of course, when when we do these quote unquote intangible things, um you know, like slowing down to breathe throughout the day, or like in my case with my example, when I invest in supporting myself, I know that translates into tangible results in the end, because I am showing up for my clients differently when I feel supported. I feel much more serene in the household when I feel supported. That is very tangible, right? Serenity in itself might feel like fluff, but when a mother is serene, like more serene with her kids and her husband, that is oh my god, so valuable for everyone's health and everyone's you know mental health as well. I have another example from householder life. So once I was working with a mom of four who had um who had the habit of eating the leftovers, you know, and um the leftovers of the kids, right? So she wouldn't necessarily like she she would cook the food and and serve it to her kids, and then she would just eat whatever the kids have left, right? So like she wouldn't um serve herself, right? She would just eat whatever is left because she was so so busy, right? She she felt like she was running all the time, and so that's a pattern she had. And the first thing, so that's a very tangible thing, right? Um, looking at an action of what it is you're doing that like our brains can grasp. And we worked on her having a subtle shift first. We looked at like how she perceives herself as a mother, we looked at how she would like to perceive herself, we looked at how she would like her kids and especially her daughters to perceive her, right? So it all came from like very intangible, like working without perception. That's not very tangible, but what it translated into is that she started binning the food that was left over instead of eating it, and she would eat her own meal with everyone else, serving herself and sitting down all together, right? So um intangible value will always have material repercussions, it will always translate into the material world that is inevitable. There is so much more that I could say. I literally have noted down quite a few more topics, but we are coming close to an hour, so I will leave it for another episode. Nevertheless, I truly hope that this was helpful for you. And if you're currently working with me, you know, you can take just one aspect of this episode and see how you could apply it. See which of the things that I talked about today um feels like the most compelling or is calling you? Could it be their resort their resourcefulness, you know, and and like mental resourcefulness? Could it be the beginner's mindset? Could it be cultivating your communication and articulation of things that sometimes feel maybe you know difficult to express? Or um or could it be looking for value that sometimes our brains tend to dismiss just because it's not something we can truly grasp at first? This episode turned out to be way more in-depth than I had planned. But truth be told, I had never seen a teacher um or or a counselor talk about this very topic openly. So if this is something that resonates with you, I'm happy to do more um episodes like this in the future. So if you enjoyed it, if it spoke to you, if it um helped you feel a shift of any kind, do let me know. Because it's important to be communicative. As always, if you enjoyed this episode, do click subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any future episodes. And do think about giving this podcast a rating or a review if you find it valuable, because that really helps to support my work. And share it with a friend or share it on social media, and if you do, you can tag me, Linan Airbada. All right, I wish you a beautiful day, and I'll see you in a few weeks.