Why Modern Life Feels So Fake

At some point in life, you stop caring about looking successful…

and start caring about what actually feels meaningful.

In this episode, Greg sits down with entrepreneur Mary Davis for a conversation about ambition, fitness, parenting, entrepreneurship, social media, comparison culture, and the quiet pressure so many people carry trying to “keep up.”

They discuss:

• Why entrepreneurship feels lonely
• The obsession required to build something real
• Raising kids in a world addicted to validation
• Fitness, discipline, and suffering
• The danger of comparing your life to filtered versions of everyone else’s
• Why modern culture feels increasingly disconnected
• And how priorities radically change once you become a parent

Greg also talks about:

• Why your children’s love matters more than status
• The hidden cost of constantly chasing “more”
• Why simplicity becomes attractive as you grow older
• And how peace often comes from letting go of what impresses other people

Because eventually you realize:

The life everybody’s trying to sell online usually isn’t real.

And the people who seem the happiest are often the ones living the simplest lives.

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Transcript

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This epidemic of comparison. Everyone's well, this guy's got more credit than me, and this guy's wealthier than me, and this girl's prettier than me, and this woman's got a better life than mine, and it's like none of that fucking feel. Comparison is the enemy of joy. Keeping up with the Joneses. It's so easy to just get caught up in that shit. I'm not participating in this shit. I don't want this. And it's funny because the the more levels you break through, it's like the simpler your life gets. Guest here, Mary Davis in the house. Mo is in the back, back where he's the most comfortable. I've been forcing him under the uh bright lights and microphone to talk to me about random shit. I think he's most comfortable back there. Glad to be here. So, funny story, Mo and I were literally talking. We had Ryan Kerrigan from the Commanders here uh yesterday, and we're like, we need to get some other people, because I don't really bring a lot of guests out here. I'm gonna start doing more of it because it's fun. Yeah. And you actually texted me while I was talking to him, and I'm like, yes, how about Wednesday? Here we are. Worked out great, yes. So we have run on the outer circles of each other for years and years and years and years, yes, um, and now inner circles because of daughters and friends and all that wonderful stuff. So I primarily know you as a fitness entrepreneur in in that realm. That's how I think of you. How would you describe yourself at this stage today? Because I think you just launched something new, but like t tell me about yourself. Um, yeah, the never-ending entrepreneur. I mean, I think I started my journey at like eight, selling seashells like door to door. Like my all I've always been thinking of like what's next. How can I work for myself? How can um what can I build? What can I build while I'm working full-time? Um, so that's really very much me. Um in a nutshell. So I've evolved over the years. Fitness, it started with fitness. Fitness was kind of my first side hustle. Um, love group fitness and out started with like outdoor boot camps. And I still teach like one day a week at a gym in Annapolis, but um I kind of evolved a little bit into I really love that, but you know, kind of what's next. So um yeah. It is interesting when you take something that you're good at and that you love, and that other people ask you to help them with, right? Mine was lacrosse initially. I thought I wanted to get into like the lacrosse business or something. And then you make it a business, and then you immediately figure out, wow, I fucking hate this. Like these people are making this thing that I love horrible. Yeah. Just do what I tell you to do, right? And you will be super successful. Right. Why aren't you listening? You're paying me to help you. Yeah, please just do it. And they don't do it. Yeah. And you know, I guess it's the human disposition, I guess, where it's like, you know, everybody has some strategy, there's some new strategy to do something. And it's like, there aren't any. There aren't any new strategies. Get your ass up, fucking go work out to get your mind right. Yeah, write your shit down, check it off. Yeah, do that every day, and you'll get somewhere. Yes. That's it. Yep. I that's probably why I was never a personal trainer. I got my personal trainer certification, but I was like, but I don't really want to be a personal trainer. Cause it's like, and were you like were you like consulting with people, helping them like because you were were you in like fitness modeling and bodybuilding type stuff for all for a while? Yeah, that wasn't didn't pay the bills. That was just like a fun hobby. Yeah. Um, because I really wanted to like feel what it was like to get really uncomfortable, yeah. And that scared me. So I was like, let's do a bodybuilding competition. Yeah. Back when there was no quick fix for losing weight, it was just like you know, fish and you know, green beans. I mean, so it was like macro counting to the fucking max. Yes, yes. So that was um that how times have changed. Yeah, a lot motherfuckers are losing like 80 pounds. You turn your head, somebody comes back. I know. You know what's funny is I was telling my daughter, she's basically the female clone of myself. Uh-huh. And 5'10, thick, has my thick in a great way, like muscular, tall, beautiful. And she was talking to me when she was in middle school and was like, Dad, like everyone's so skinny and little. Yeah. And I was like, God blessed you with power. Like, you've got a posterior chain that is gonna take you places. Right, right. This is a gift, right? And I was like, and there's been no better time in the history of women to just be strong. Like, no one's trying to be when we were growing up, it was the heroine chic was the phrase where like everyone was anorexic, everyone was skinny as fuck, no one had a butt, nobody had any boobs, right? And it was like that was the kind of visual definition of beauty. Right. And now we're like, how many walking lunges can you do? Yes, 100%. And that's something you can't buy, and there's no quick fix for it. Fucking right. It just takes forever. I mean, forever, but again, nobody wants to do it. Right. I mean, I I can I can't count the amount of people that go, I was actually giving a speech to a um high school athletic program, and it was women lacrosse players, and this girl goes, How can I get like really strong legs and butt? Yeah, and I'm like, are we talking like visual or are we talking real strength? Right, and she's like, real strength, and I'm like, walking lunges, and she was like, Fuck, I don't want to do those. Oh, they're the worst, or Bulgarian split squats. I was like, Yeah, you do those two, yeah, you are gonna have something going on, right? Um, but anyway, getting back to people losing unbelievable amounts of weight in like four fucking seconds. Uh crazy time to be alive. Yeah, all that body positivity stuff apparently was all bullshit. Right, it was just lazy people, right? Exactly fucking going, no, I'm beautiful the way I am. Maybe you are, yeah, right? Because I think all shapes and sizes love it all. Yep. And if you love it, great. Doesn't mean it's healthy. Yeah. So let's not let's call spade a spade. Yeah. Like you can love how you're looking, don't tell me it's healthy. Yeah. And now all those people, because they can take a shot, none of them are staying that way. Yeah, right. So what fucking happened to the body positivity stuff? Right. Oh, for sure. That's out the window. Yep. Putting on muscle, maintaining fitness in your 40s, though. Yeah, that's a different level of elite status, I feel it is. And I feel like the over the past like two years, like I've actually not in the place where I want to be. And I feel like it's really just entrepreneurship is just like, I am so hardwired to be like, when my kids are at school, all I'm doing is working. Yeah. Because when they get home, I don't want to be like, oh, wait, I have to do this thing. And then so I'm like, well, unless I'm getting up at four, which is what I used to do when I really had like a lot of desire. Um I there was no there's no working out. Like I haven't earned it, which is kind of like my own struggle sometimes. I haven't earned the right to like take care of myself during the work hours. Right. But when I was a full-time employee, I would do that no problem. But now I'm working for myself. Right. Um, so it's just like the the best time to do it is, you know, early. Yeah. Early. That's why I still wake up so early. Yeah. I mean, if I don't get all that stuff done, yeah, your day's just fucked. Yeah. It's a it's much different. So when I did do it consistently, I mean, I felt amazing. And I felt so much more productive because I was up like two hours before the rest of the world. Yeah. And I am sharpest in the morning. Yep, like by two, three in the afternoon, like, forget it. Yep. Um so I just need to get back to that. Have you ever read that book when? I have not. So I think the author was Daniel Pink. Okay. And he analyzed the best times to do everything. And he came up with all these efficiencies with with time and when you should be doing stuff and when you shouldn't be doing stuff. And basically, long story short, it turned out that he analyzed all the parole hearings. Oh. And if you had a parole hearing before like 11:30 in the morning, yeah, you had a 90% chance of getting parole. Oh my gosh. Interesting. If you had a parole hearing after two o'clock in the afternoon, it was like a five percent chance. Oh, interesting. I don't know if the data points are totally correct, sure. But it was so dramatic that it was like you're you get angrier, yeah, you get less focused, you get more annoyed. Yep. And so all these times it's like, hey, let's have a 3 p.m. meeting. You're like, yeah, no, not if it's important. Someone just asked me for a 3 p.m. 3 p.m. Friday meeting. And I'm like, no. No, no. Because as an entrepreneur, I set my schedule. And I actually have a rule that I don't typically have any meetings Friday. Um, just it's just my day to catch up and like do those extra sort of things. But I do have one this Friday. What's the new thing you're doing? Uh, so the new thing I'm doing is something called Team Huddle Social. Yep. Um, it is social media systems for club sports teams. Okay. Like and the way that I kind of developed it is because I'm the team manager for my daughter's team. And so many people come to me asking, hey, can I have that template? Or you're so organized, or how do I do this? And when I look at all these club sports, each, especially lacrosse in this area. I mean, there are other teams too, but it's mainly lacrosse. Every team has its own team page for each age group and team. And the social media looks vastly different across all the pages. So, you know, um, it's something that would really help club owners and directors. A, I would train all of their team managers or them or whoever's doing the social media on like how to use the social media and um have consistency across the club. And then I would provide them with branded templates that match the the club so that each team is doing things cohesively and consistently. That's good. Yeah, I think that whole situation's a shit show. Oh, it is. Every every sport has a different organizational app. Every club has a different um app that you're forced to use, and you got to communicate through them, and some are good and some suck. And maybe they sync well, maybe they don't. It's just it is so annoying. And literally, we're living in an AI revolution where there's like robots walking around, and it's like we can't properly like just send out the notifications, you know. Like, what what are we doing here? Yeah, like why is this happening? Yeah, I think that about a lot of random shit, but it's it's annoying. Yeah, I mean, I have four kids in club sports. Yeah, I'm like, okay, what team okay, where are they gonna? All right, like how long is it gonna take for me to get there? Right now, let me check the chat function and see if there's an update there. Yeah, just like guys, yeah, it's a lot. Come on, it's a lot. Let's let's lock this in here, yeah. And I think that like club directors are just doing so much like to manage the club, or maybe they have a full-time job, or they coach other teams, and it's like they need support. Yep. So it's like a dashboard collection, branded, kind of cohesive unit, yes, where everything goes in and then everything can go out, plus trainings for all of the people that are gonna be handling the social media across the teams, the other team moms, team managers, whatever, so that it doesn't fall back on like the club director again. Yeah. So that's cool. That's the plan. That's cool. And then what were you doing before that? Uh, I still have my own social media business. So um, Mary Davis Digital, uh, almost two years now. So I have a number of small local small businesses in Annapolis that I support from interior designers, medical practitioners, a couple, a shopping center. Um, so just all social media, just out there getting it, getting it, creating video and creating posts for them and all that. Nice, it's fun. And is this exactly like if you had, you know, I'm currently on Substack and I'm like writing articles and I'm writing an article right now to my 25-year-old self. I love that. And I'm kind of going through I'm looking at my journey from a totally different perspective because I obviously wrote the first book on the journey, but that wasn't really advice to myself, that was like a fucking action film. Um it was real, it was real life, but it it was my life. And so I'm like going back and I'm looking at all the stuff and the decisions that I made. Like if you had to almost like write a letter to yourself or give yourself some some advice today when you're whenever you decided to embark on the journey that you're on now, what would you give yourself or what would you tell yourself? Like uh I think I would tell myself it'll all work out. Oh, nice. Um, because at 25 I was a complete mess. So I was on a spiral of downward slope, which is why I don't drink anymore. Yeah. Um, so my 25-year-old self probably wouldn't have even read the letter. Yeah. Um but I I'm very much I don't believe in coincidences. I make every decision based on my heart and my go, my gut. And I truly feel like everything that has transpired in my life getting to this point was completely um like I I just trusted my intuition, and that's where I am today. Nice. Which um it's not perfect. I'm still grinding, I'm still trying to figure out how to scale, I'm trying to figure out all the things, but I have, you know, income for our family that I'm producing myself. I'm not gonna get laid off from myself, um, which happened a couple of times leading up to this, and I'm there for my kids and present for them when I need to be. So um, yeah, it's like all worked out. Yeah. And I don't I don't know if there's anything more important, and I don't know why I feel obviously I do know why, but it's you don't realize it when the kids are younger, yeah. But now my youngest is in fourth grade. Yeah. And you're watching these precious elementary school years, which are just so magnificent, yeah, get a little bit shorter, right? Because the behaviors are starting to change a little bit. Yeah. And I can look at the middle school years with my son, and I can look at the early high school years with my daughter. Still wonderful. They're still amazing. I still love spending time with them. Yeah. But it is this thing of like, I there there is nothing else. Yeah. Like, you don't get this shit back. Right. There is nothing else. Right. So all of this sacrifice, and you said it earlier of when my kids are at school, I am fucking locked in. And when they're when they get home, it's like I'm spending time with them because I'm not gonna be like, hey, I'll get to it. Right. I'm the I'm the same way. I have a rule. If they ask me to go play a sport, the answer's yes. Yeah. If they want me to sit down and watch a show, the answer's yes. Yeah. Because we're not getting those those moments back. No, not at all. And we think we are. Yeah. Right? We're like, I'm fucking who cares about a show. Yeah. Or who cares about shooting hoops in the middle of the winter, you know? And it's like, no, that is what needs to be done right now. Yeah. And I do, I mean, there just is nothing else in it's the most important. It's the most important thing. The four things money cannot buy your time, your health, your soul, and your children's love. Yeah. Can't buy it. True. I was at a hotel, a very swanky hotel in a swanky part of Florida. And Genevieve and I were like, everyone said, Oh, you got to go to this place. It's so awesome. It's okay. Yeah. Right? I feel like people like going there because they like to say they went there. So we get woken up in the middle of the night, it's like two o'clock in the morning. And it was something out of like a bad scripted movie where this kid is screaming at his dad. They're both drunk. I fucking hate you. You were never there. And he's like, get back in the room. And he's like, all you care about is money. And it's going on. And I'm like, they're about to like kill each other. Yeah. We had to call security, whatever, it got broken up. But that is the alternative. That's what those little I'll get to you in a minute turn into. Oh, sure. Because it's a habit. Because how you do something is how you do everything. Yep, I agree. And then these kids, especially in their earlier years, like they just want love. Yeah. They just want to hang out with you. They don't know how much money you have. Right. They don't give a shit about your business. Right. They don't care how fucking fit you are. Except for my sons, they do. One winter, I was like, not in beach body shape. And my youngest son, Forrest, goes, So, no six pack, huh? I go, it's it's December. I'll get it. And he goes, Yeah, I don't know, Dad. You're getting old. And I'm like, my gosh. Okay. Well, I know the standard now for these boys. Yeah. So I've locked it in. I'm like, I'm not having that ever again. I had that traumatizing event. Oh my gosh. Um but yeah, they just want you to be there. They do. And when I think back to my childhood, I had a wonderful childhood. All I remember that's really important is that I felt loved. Yeah. Like we didn't go spring break in Europe and like travel all over the we went to Ocean City once a year for one week. Yeah. And that was like our big trip. And I my parents took me to California like once. And it was like that, but that didn't like none of that matter. Christmas, I got like one gift. We went nowhere. Yeah. We drove in a van to Florida to visit my grandparents. So we would leave at like 10 at night. We had a Mark III Econo live. And the back turned into a bed. Oh my gosh. Oh. And so they'd put us in sleeping bags and pillows. Uh-huh. My dad would drink Coca-Cola and fucking Hershey's chocolate and chew gum. And he had headphones on, like a walk man. Oh my. And he would power through until like Georgia. Oh wow. And then we would stop at a waffle house. My mom would take over and then drive because the sun came up. So then my mom would then drive from wherever we were to Orlando to it was like um where was it? It's like outside of Cocoa Beach. They were in like Rockledge. Um, and like that was our vacation, not on the beach, just a community in Florida with a pool with better weather than we had. Right, right. And yeah, I mean, it was my yeah, my parents just loved us. They were great. Yep. And did we get disciplined? Yes. Did we deserve it? Yeah. Yeah. We did. We probably needed more than we got, to be honest with you. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, I mean, going back, I guess, to social media, I think that is one of the massive downfalls of today's society, which is just this epidemic of comparison. Yep. Like everyone's, well, this guy's more shredded than me, and this guy's wealthier than me, and this girl's prettier than me, and this woman's got a better life than mine. And it's like, none of that's fucking real. Right. That's a filter. A hundred percent. Well, now it's AI, so now you can get real weird. Right. You get real weird with it now. Yeah. Um, but yeah, comparison is the enemy of joy, for sure. And that's true with anything. Yeah. And you can, but it's also so easy to just get caught up in that shit. Yeah. It is. You know, like keeping up with the Joneses, it's like, well, they just got something. Right. We could pull that off too. Right. That's why we moved out to this farm. Yeah. Like we were looking at all these different spots, and I was just like, I'm not participating in this shit. Yeah. I don't want this. Yeah. I don't like that. I don't know if I like people in general, to be honest with you. The older I get, the less friends I have, I feel like. My husband's even more antisocial than me. I'm not antisocial, but he's even more like, I really don't like people. I'm like, that's fine. We like each other. That's what it's important. But like, that's about it. And I'm like, the older I get, I'm like, well, this friend is a little wishy-washy. I don't know if I, you know, so you just kind of like evolve and you grow through the you do. Right? Like they helped you to get to this point. Yeah. And this is the level. And now you not only did they help you, so you grew with and through them. But then you also have to break through to get to the next level of that, which is like, you know, everyone's looking for some version of transcendence or enlightenment of just like their own version of it. And it's funny because the the more levels you break through, it's like the simpler your life gets. Yep. Or at least mine. Whereas I thought it would get more elaborate and the opposite has happened. Yeah. It's like I care about smaller and smaller things that like, oh my God, look at that bird. What a magnificent bird I saw today. You know? And when you're 25, you're like, I'm getting a fucking yacht. No, it's like I look back, I'm like, you dumb asshole. Oh, I know. You know? None of that even matters. None of it matters. I do like to travel. I would say if I like had lots of extra money, we'd be on a lot more trips. But beside that, I'm like, I'm not I'm not even a travel guy. I just like going to a new place. I hate airports. So if you want to, I'll travel on a jet. You find me like we're going on a jet, I'll go. Yeah. I hate airports. I don't like being on a plane next to people I don't like or know. Yeah. All of the chaos. Yeah. It is. TSA is a joke. Yep. Do you know how many terrorists they've caught since they've implemented TSA in whatever it was, 2001 or 2002? No. Guess the number. None. Zero. Zero. Yeah. Now, okay, we got to get people through the line, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. What about trains? Right. I ain't no TSA on a train. Right. Everybody seems to be getting around just fine. It's very true. Right? Like, what are we doing? Why do we have to make everything so difficult? Yeah. And it's, you know, it's control. It's like these little control mechanisms. Yeah. Let's make them take their shoes off. Let's make this 90-year-old woman take her fucking slides off. It's like, yeah. Really? Yeah. Just let me fly to Orlando for a lacrosse tournament and shut the fuck up. Yeah. You know, we're gonna check your lacrosse stick. That could be a weapon. You're like, these are weapons right here. Yeah. Yeah. So from a fitness perspective and a morning routine perspective, when you were locked in 4 a.m., unleashing hell, macro counting, fishing green beans. Yes. Um, what was the most disciplined routine? Like when you were your most I would bring my food everywhere. Yeah. So tell me about it. Tell me about like your morning, your prep. What did your week look like? I would usually wake up at 4 40. Um, I live behind a gym. So at that time I was going to that gym. So it's super easy to get to. Like that's awesome. Wake up, get dressed, drive one minute. I didn't catch road, work out, whatever my routine was, whether it's lifting in the morning or cardio, go home. Everything is pre-portioned out. Like I knew exactly I was having 40 grams of oatmeal with like, you know, 16 grams of peanut butter and all that. And then um, you know, just if there was a social event, I came to the point where I just didn't give a f. I didn't care what anybody thought of me. So I was bringing my fish and my green beans, and I'm like, sorry, this is what I have to eat. Like, I I that was a really good growth. I ended up doing 10 shows, and each show I was like, I'm just getting like more, I care less what you think of me. Because I'm like, this is what I'm doing. People probably thought I was a total weirdo. Right. This is what's required. This is what's required if I want to have a chance to win, and I always wanted to win, and I always wanted to beat everybody, which didn't happen often, but I trained like I was going to win. Yeah. And um it just um, and then there was cardio in the afternoon. Um, I did my first show when my daughter was one. So she didn't really know that like mom was going to the gym again, or like, you know, she was kind of like, you know, when you're that little, you're kind of oblivious. But I don't know that I would ever do that. I I would not do that again at these ages of because it's too much time. I have no desire. I'm kind of like done. But then it's kind of like you have to become so obsessed with it that you cannot think of anything else when you're in that like period. Like it's just complete obsession. And um I don't have a desire to be that obsessed with that. Because then you'd go to the show and we would like fly to on my 40th birthday. I did a show in Maine. It was like on my birthday, and then I ended up getting like fifth. Like, why what are we doing? What are we doing? I look the best I can ever look, but I don't have the uh actual ass and hamstrings that the girls next to me do, so they win. Yeah, you know, it's kind of like um you you put a lot into it, and it's just a such a subjective sport. Yeah. So that was good. That part's crazy. Yeah. The and I I talk about this in the when the Olympics are on. Yep. Anytime there's a judge and you can't just knock a dude out or win by goals, yeah, there's just so much drama. Yeah. You know, like unless there's an AI robot judge, yeah, right, which probably needs to happen because, like, you're just trusting some six people from different countries that just happen to have corruption charges every other Olympics where they're getting paid off for some reason, or someone gets a 10 and this person gives them an eight because of some weird, you know, situation. That part is crazy. But I also think I've not that I don't care about winning because I I do, I actually probably hate losing more than I like winning. Uh but in my later years, younger years, we fucking win at all costs. Like all costs we win. Yeah. Now I do think the process of achieving something elite to the max capacity of what you can do. And this I'm gonna sound like a loser. It's like that's a win. Yeah, yeah. But it is, yeah. It is like there's nothing that you're gonna do. I don't know, I've never been a bodybuilder, but it's like there's nothing you're gonna do to get the ass in the hamstrings of the person that won. Right, right. Like that's genetic plus diet, plus like you know, capacity to put on muscle, which I do have capacity to put on muscle pretty easily, but I don't know that I have like at the genetic piece. Like you're was it a genetic thing, or does that haunt your dreams? It it was pretty much a genetic thing, yes. I mean, but I mean I'm sure if I just kept training and for like another four years, you said put on more muscle, then diet it even harder. Yeah, sure, but I don't care to do that. That's right. Well, and then it comes back to like, do you even should you even be doing it? Right. No, because after 10, you're like, you know, you like there once again, no shots, weight loss, like things that can help you at all that were legal in the divisions that I competed in because I did all natural bodybuilding. So there was no like whatever things you can take that aren't natural. Um every time my show would end, I would like balloon up 15 pounds fast because I wouldn't like reverse diet properly. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't want to keep doing this. No, 10 shows is good. I'm good. That's also it is this, it is this other thing of like if it's not fun, what the fuck are you doing it for? Yeah. You know, we did this is nothing to do with the complete opposite of bodybuilding, but we used to do these like cycling races where it was like 350-mile bike races, uh-huh. And we did them for like three or four years, and Tessie May sponsored it. It was for salad bars and schools, and it was like a nonprofit, and it was it was cool. And then it was just like I hate this. I fucking hate sitting on this bike, but that's a full race, right? But like the training was like, all right, man, like three hours today maintaining this wattage. Yeah, that's a lot. So you'd go to the gym with an iPad and like watch a movie and a half, yeah, just sitting there grinding, you're like, this sucks. Yeah, but it is crazy how every different sport, every different business, like the capacity for suffering is so important. Yep. And you really do find yourself in those pain caves, and you have you're so relatable with so many different people that have suffered in some other way. Oh, sure. Right? Like the capacity to suffer together is a really interesting thing. Yeah. And I remember that was probably the coolest part of getting into that like road bike stuff. Everybody was nice, yeah, for the most part. Because it was just everyone's suffering together. Yeah. And like when the day ends, like everyone's the happiest, maybe because they're on a fucking dopamine overload. And then you have like one beer or something afterwards, and you are lit. Yeah. Uh, but I also I just thought it was really cool to push yourself to the extremes that most of the world has never experienced. Obsessional desire is required for anything. And most don't do it, right? Like from as a percentage, what's the percentage of kids that play sports in college? It's like six, right? And that's all divisions division one, two, three. What's the percentage of people that play professionally? It's less than one, I think. Yeah. Those people have the same exact mindset that you do for bodybuilding shows. It's like completely locked in. Like Ryan Kerrigan was talking about. I was asking him about pregame routines for my kids. Yeah. Right? Because like I had a very specific pregame routine and like all of this stuff. And he had an awesome answer. And his was it was never about pregame. It was every minute of every day leading up to the game. Oh, yeah. So he would figure out who he was going against on the opposing team in college or professionally. Yeah. And then everything he did was a competition in his own mind against that guy. So he was like, he would wake up, healthy breakfast. He goes, he would tell himself, Well, I bet fucking Mary's not doing that. Yeah. And then he'd like foam roll and do this. He goes, Bet Mary's not fucking foam rolling right now. Oh, I like that. And like every single thing he did leading up to a game was his obsessional desire to beat that person on game day. And he's like, So, yes, every aspect of my life was regimented. Like, this is what I ate every single day, this is how I did it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But he was like, the best thing I ever did was I didn't wait until the night before I gave. Right? Like every practice was a game. Every uh rehabilitation session was just as important. And then it was just about executing. And I think a lot of kids are probably too young to understand how important that is. Yeah. But from an entrepreneurship perspective, that's what's required. Oh, yeah. That like that is what's required. Yeah. It's a and that's kind of why I wanted to talk to you because I just uh knowing other entrepreneurs, you only understand like what each other goes through because you're in it yourself or whether you have a team or not. And it's um it's rare, like no one gets it. How it's like so much self-pressure. Like, no one puts pressure on me as hard as I put pressure on myself. Same. Like a hundred percent. Um, I'm like constantly thinking about thinking about like, you know, what can I do better? How can I improve? How can I get that deal? You know, so it's like, um, but only entrepreneurs can really understand like that piece. Um, it's funny with the pregame routine. So my daughter is 11. Oh, she'll be 11 soon. And she's like really into lacrosse, and she also does is not a great eater. And like the day she was like every kid. I know the day she's playing like one of her biggest, most tough teams, she's like, oh-da-da. And then I had like three donuts bunched. You're like, what? Flipped out on her. I'm like, are you even? But then I'm like, I have not done a good job because I know so much about food of like educating her on like what she needs to be eating because she wouldn't eat half of it anyway. I don't believe that because I know I do educate my kids, and they don't do it. Yeah, you know, and all you can do is make every failure a learning lesson. Hey, yeah, and I try and make it black and white, so I make up some metrics. Yeah. Okay. What is an elite offensive player doing every day? Let's just say it's 200 shots a day. Okay. 200 times seven days in a week, that's an A plus. Mm-hmm. Oh, that's a good way to do it. Yeah, yeah. So if you're doing, and this is just this one component of a report card of five things or ten things. All right. So, you know, one day one of my kids uh didn't do well and I said, Okay, why are you upset? Uh took these shots, they didn't go in. I'm like, oh how many shots did you take this week? Not a lot. I'm like, like 1400 shots? Like 200 a day? He's like, no. I'm like, so if you were gonna give yourself a report card, what report card did you get this week just from a shooting perspective? Yeah. It's like an F. Yeah. I'm like, okay, so then why are you upset? Because you didn't do anything required to get an A plus. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Right? Because like an A plus in your game would have been two goals and an assist or something, right? Like that's that's a great day. Yep. That requires preparation and focus. Yeah. Because like you're not going to hit that perfect spot and a goal with the pressure of a game, with coaches screaming in your ear, with some dude beating the living shit out of you, right? You're just not gonna do it. Yeah. And so this whole preparation thing and kids, you know, I'm playing the long game because I sucked as a kid. Yeah. Sucked. Sucked. Yeah. The fact that I somehow played in college and then played professionally, like it's a fucking miracle. Yeah. So I I look at my kids, I'm like, guys, we got time. Yeah. But sure, but these habits they're gonna calcify. Yeah. And then they're gonna be who you are. Yep. And the only reason I ended up being successful is I was obsessed with not sucking because I suck so bad. Yeah. And it was embarrassing. Yeah. Like kids making fun of me for sucking, embarrassing. Yeah. Not making the A team, embarrassing. This is before club. Yeah. You know, all this stuff that, you know, you have your own kind of dark motivations. Like I went to this CEO kind of leadership retreat, and they talked about um your false negative beliefs about yourself that you tell yourself that basically structure your personality and your character and like why you go after things and all that shit. And mine, um I'm not good enough and I don't belong. And so it was always I'm going to prove the haters wrong. Yeah. Like I'm going to do this for this reason. And in reality, you just want to be proving yourself right. Right. Because they're going to fucking hate you no matter what. Right. A hundred percent. They're going to hate you that you suck. Yeah. And they're going to talk about you because you're doing so well. Then they're going to hate you when you're working hard. Yeah. What's this loser working so hard for? Right. Then they're going to hate you when you're great. Yeah. It's a fucking fluke. Yeah. You know, so it's like all the things. It's never not going to be a thing. But if you're then doing it for the right reasons, which I didn't, I don't think I had any of those right reasons in the beginning. Yeah. I think that's unbelievably powerful because that's actually sustainable. Right. You know, I don't then maybe it's a little more balanced than. Okay, I'm not gonna work all day, every day. I'm gonna take off Friday and just use that to like go to the gym longer or whatever it is. Yeah, we can have like a little more balance. We can say that. I didn't do it. I'm doing it now. Yeah. But I didn't do it for a really, really, really long time. And again, I think everybody has their own, you know, some people are motivated by uh negative motivators, which I'm so upset. Some people are motivated by negative motivators. Um are positive motivators. I was a mix, I think. You know, I'm a Gemini, so maybe that's why. Like I wanted to be great, yeah, but I was motivated because I wanted to like prove the haters wrong. Yeah, and they don't care. Yeah, right. They don't fucking know, they don't care about you. Right. They're just talking shit because they like talking shit. Right. Yeah. So yeah, but uh switching topics to entrepreneurship and then and then building all of that stuff, that's way lonelier than sports. It is. You know, like just on your own. You're on your own. And I feel like people want you to fail more in in entrepreneurship. Yeah. Um because how dare you not do the conventional thing. Right. Right. Like how dare you figure out how to make money by yourself. Right. Especially when so many people don't and it's not that they can, it's just they don't they want to play it safe. Yeah. And that's fine. But that is fine. I don't want to ask for Friday off. No. And I don't want people tracking my sick days. Right, exactly. And I don't, I'm a results-oriented person. I'm not a micromanager at all. I have very strong opinions. You can ask Mo. I'm unbelievably detail-oriented if you ask me to be. But at the same time, if we work together, I make the assumption that you can do the thing. Right. Like you're here, do the thing. I don't need to tell you how to do it. Everybody has their own creative process, everybody has their own way to get shredded and to a show. Yeah, everybody has their own way of closing a deal. Like Brian's great at wheeling and dealing and playing golf and doing this shit. Like that wasn't my thing. Like when I was hustling insurance, I fucking cold called. Yeah. All day, like a crackhead. Oh my God. Just always be closing. All just all day. Yeah. Like a crazy person. What do you think, from an entrepreneurship perspective? Like, what do you think you're lacking in your like if you had a toolkit and you're like, I need to find people, whether it's a mentorship thing or a peer group thing, but like everybody's got their weaknesses. What do you think is your thing where you're like, I fucking need answers on this and I can't find them? Yeah. I think that I get like to a point where I'm like, okay, I need to scale. But then it's like, how much debt are you willing to take on in order to scale? And I my husband is very conservative. Um, so the you know, debt is like, he's the type he's like, well, we pay off the credit card every month, no interest, like, you know, X amount retirement, all this. And I'm like, yeah, but like I'm starting a new business, we might need to take on a little bit of debt for like Google ads and things like that. And it's kind of if I he believes in me, yeah, but at the same time, it's like, and I believe in myself. Like I'm a hundred, I'm just the type of person where like if I'm going in on something, like it's gonna be successful. Yeah. I'm mentally like, I know that I can do it. No one works harder than me. I am like a stickler on my word. If I say I'm gonna have something to you on this day, it'll be there a day early. I'm just I believe in myself, but I think that that like scaling to like the next thing. Like the risk of scale. Yeah, the risk of scale. Yeah. Um, now I do have some people that work with me that are wonderful that I can, you know, take on more work because I know that I've helped with it, but that piece kind of like stops me a little bit here and there. That's probably my fault. Yeah. Um, but yeah, mine's the opposite. I'm like, we're fucking going for it. What is required? And then Genevieve, Genevieve's like, Craig, I mean, we can't do all. I'm like, we're doing it all. Fucking take everything out, yeah, liquidate everything. We're fucking going. Yeah. And I will say, um, God bless that woman because her natural behavioral traits uh do not align to that. Yeah. So we took all these like PRF tests of what's your risk tolerance? And do you like to follow the rules? And like I have extreme risk tolerance, she has none. Do you like to follow rules? Mine is none, hers is yes, you know. So there's like five things that we're complete opposites on, but then the rest were almost exactly the same. Uh-huh. So achievement. So the PRF's cool because it's a percentile, and I talk about this all the time. But um, over a 70, so they put it on like 100%. Over a 70 is an extreme personality trait on the high end. Okay. And then under 30 is an extreme personality trait on the low end. Okay. And um, anything between 30 and 70 is normal. So even if it's 31 or 69, it's it's normal. I only have one personality trait that's normal, and everything else is like extreme high or extreme low. Oh, yeah. And so she actually has a bunch of extreme highs as well. Achievement, aggression, endurance. So we have like a bunch of similar extreme traits, but then she's got more normal traits than I do. And but the funniest one is like, do you follow the rules? She's like, extreme, yes. And I'm like, zero. Yeah. Do you like change? I'm like, extreme, yes. She's a fucking zero. Yeah. This is not actually a zero, but yeah, yeah. Uh, but when I looked at that chocolate, she's like, and this is why sometimes I get stressed because you are willing to do anything. Right. And I'm like, I am willing to do anything, and like we're gonna be fine. Yeah. Uh, but she is, you know, she adds some balance to my extreme nature. Um, which is so important, so important, right? Right? Like a great partnership, a great marriage. It's like you fill in the gaps. So I fill in her gap, she fills in mine. We're a full a force multiplier. Yep. As long as you've got a similar value system where we're aligned on that stuff, like you're gonna you're gonna have a wonderful life. Right. I think too many people, they just that shit doesn't align. Yeah. Or they have a different value system where they grow apart and their values change. Right. Um, but I'm still going for it. Yeah. And I'm will, I'm willing to do anything to do it. Mo knows. I'd be like, we're going for it, bud. He's like, well, and Mo's the great. He just goes, All right, baby. He's just like, something to get used to. Okay, something new, just something to get used to. All right, yeah, all right. That's some extreme shit, Greg. Okay. Starting a vodka business. Okay, fuck it. Let's go. Oh yeah. Yeah, the balance is key. Like Justin came home from work on Monday. I'm like, I'm stressed. I gotta go upstairs. I have this. He goes, Mary, you do social media. It's okay. The clients aren't gonna know if this post goes up the exact time. I'm like, okay, I guess you're right, but when I have too many things in my brain, I get like stressed. Yeah, well, that's everybody. Yeah. So from a scale perspective, you you have like you get locked, like analysis paralysis basically, on like, should you do it, or is the risk worth it, or what I'm interested in that. I think um, like, will I be able to handle it all at the level that I like to execute my performance on? Um so, like, you're a perfectionist of the end product. Yeah, I want the end product to be delivered like very well on time. I want my client to be so happy. Um, you know, everyone I've worked with has been thrilled with my work, my reputation is everything. I don't really advertise at all. I haven't paid any Google ads, no Facebook ads, nothing. It's all been like word of mouth. Um, so that that means a lot to me is like what people think of my business and my work. Yep. So is it hard for you to hire people because they can't execute at your level? No, because the people that I have hired that help me are I'm very thrilled with what they do. Yeah. Um they're both just like part-time, yeah, kind of as needed. So what's the scale problem? I don't get it. I don't know, especially with like the second business. It's like, am I gonna be able to grow both because they're so different? Uh-huh. Um but I just feel like I have to go for it. Yeah. Whether it's I go full hard into, you know, team huddle and then not take on as many like small businesses in Annapolis because I'm so focused on like club sports. Like that's something I could pivot later. Um But there's just not enough hours in the day to do everything. No. So just try to take it a day at a time. And I write down, you know, as you do, like my prior top three priorities of the day, like what I need to get done. Um, I'm a big list maker. Um, I, you know, a lot of no distractions during the day. Um, but I'm not willing to be like, okay, from you know, three to five, I'm not gonna go open my room and close the door. I'm gonna be with my kids, help them with homework, help them get ready for lacrosse. So maybe I won't be, you know, as successful as ideally I would like to be because I can't do it all during the hours I'm willing to do it in. It just sounds like you need a creative counterpoint from like a decision-making discussion perspective, not even to actually implement any of the solutions, but almost as like a creative pressure test of well, why not you do it like that? Have you thought about this? Yeah, have you thought about that? Yeah, right? When you can be like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, I already thought about it all. Because I don't talk to anybody about it. Well, like my husband doesn't really care to like he gives me feedback and he does have good ideas, but at the same time, he's exhaustive after a long day of teaching high school students. So I'm not gonna be like, let's talk about all my new clients and what I need help with. That's like not a troll. Yeah, because I think you know, Brian, my brother, we do a good job of pressure testing each other's ideas, not to say it's wrong or it's right, but to sit just ask questions of like, well, why would you do it like that? Yeah. It's like, well, because of this. And it's like, well, why? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it's like, fuck, man, you're right. I didn't even I do need to do it like that. Or, yeah, I've gotten nothing out of this conversation. I'm hanging up. Yeah. But I think that that creative process of and it has to be in a trusted environment with someone that you trust their opinion. Because I think my biggest problem is I'm open to always listening to anybody's insights. But then it's like, do you even know what you're talking about? Right, yeah. Like, okay, right. This is the fourth stupid question in a row. Right, right. Just shut the fuck up. Yeah, yeah. But uh, anytime we were developing new products, I made that a part of my decision-making matrix where I had all these different people that represented different perspectives. You know, like my dad doesn't care about health at all. He says he does, but like he's just gonna taste something and go, mmm, you know, sure. My mom does have an opinion and an aggressive opinion, so she's gonna be overly opinionated. Yeah. Genevieve is gonna ask a million questions that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Uh, you know, and so like I would have all of these people, like Brian, we used to say is the trucker's palette. He's just gonna be like, Yup, or he's gonna be like, This sucks. Yeah, and he's not gonna say anything else. Right. And then so I would have all of these people and I would ask all of their opinions. I wouldn't, I wouldn't really say anything. I just wanted to hear what they had to say. And then in hearing it all, I would be able to kind of take all of the different perspectives that were so different, yeah, and then either confirm or deny my kind of previous assumptions for what I was thinking about doing, and whether it was a new product or a new strategy or whatever, that was really helpful because very I'm very ambitious. Um, I think I have the right answers, I trust my gut, my instinct, and everything else, but we all have blind spots. Yeah. And having, I used to call it the color wheel, right? Like every there's a million different colors, and then it all comes to a point in the middle. And it was like I was always trying to get the best answer, like right dead center, or as close as possible. And so that's how I did it. But I think from a scale perspective, um, you it sounds like you need something like that. You need like a little board of advisors, not like an actual board of advisors, but like writing out I would always call a hater. I had like two haters that I knew that just like wanted to smash everything and say it fucking sucked or it tasted like shit. So, like, hey, what do you think of this thing? And I'd always hear what they said, this fucking tastes like shit. Or when the hater was like, Man, that's what's up. That's delicious. You're like, you knew you had something because they just wanted to squash your dreams. Right, right. But that was how I did it. And I think that that was really helpful because we like, and I do this for people all the time. I'm like their Dutch uncle. I'm a cold bucket of water. Everybody takes their idea and their strategies and their product to people that they love and trust. Yeah. Those people most likely are not gonna give you the truth. Right, right. Because they don't want to hurt your feelings because they care about you. Yeah. And they don't want to deal with the consequences of you being mad at them. Right. Yeah, that's true. Right? Like your husband, if you go, hey, sweetie, I got this thing and I know you're tired and stressed and whatever, it could be the dumbest thing ever. He's not gonna be like, You dumb bitch. Because there are serious consequences to that, right? Right. But it's like if you don't have the honesty mirror or the different perspective coming in and saying, Well, have you thought about it like this? Well, that will never work. How the fuck do you know? Yeah, yeah. Have you ever done it? Well, no, but my friend Jimmy did it and did it. Well, fuck Jimmy. Yeah. You know, that's true. So I would I would draw a little decision-making color wheel, and in the names will probably change um because mine grew and evolved, and I had different ones for different things. You know, like I had a product one. Yeah, we would take stuff to our line workers in the back, uh-huh, see what they said. Yeah, because they didn't give a fuck. Right. Hey, what do you think of this new catch up we're making? They're like, This shit sucks. Or you take it and they're like, This is what's up. You're like, this is gonna work. Yeah, yeah. Uh, but I do think that that will help you from a scale perspective to to help just kind of filter through things. Cause the other thing with ideas and running your own business, there's too much in here. There's just too much. Yeah. And it's like, even if you write it out, whether it's a problem or something, you know, it's I always say, like, your problem is probably one sentence long. Yeah. You think it's a book, yeah, but write it out. It's a sentence long. And then you look at the single sentence and you go, shit, like I can figure that out. Yeah, yeah, that's really true. But we get lost in our own head. Well, I know I do. Yeah, no, I do. That's why I write so much. Right. Because it's like it helps so much. Well, because Anne, nobody wants to hear your shit. Yeah. Like, and I don't want to put it on other people. Right. Right. You know? Genevieve doesn't want to hear it. Or if she says she does, yeah, and I love my wife, she'll start listening, and then she's just like doing something else. And I'm like, you just said you you wanted to hear all this stuff, and she's like, Yeah, I don't. Yeah. And I'm like, okay. Well, then don't ask me anymore. Yeah. Because I don't feel like telling you anymore. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, um, I think this huddle thing for team sports seems like what do you think? I like it. I think it's needed. I need to look at it and I need to touch it and feel it and experience it. But from an investment perspective of outside money being interested in that sector, very, very popular right now. Yeah. Usports through the roof. Yeah. Obviously, social media through the roof, AI through the roof. Um, anything from an efficiency perspective, probably combining all those seems intelligent. Yeah. Um, I think the key there is just like ease of use. Yeah. Um, and that's just true with anybody in the world. You know, like if it's not unbelievably simple, yeah, people aren't gonna do it. Right. And it's the same with anything, like food, packaging. If you can't easily get it open, just think about how busy you are. Yeah. I I experienced this. We originally with Tessie Mays dipped our bottles in wax. Oh, I know. I used to buy them, but we didn't have a pull tab in the beginning. Oh, I don't know because you could I don't think I no, I think I had it at that point because you could just crack it open. Yeah. No one knew that. So we get all these letters. Like I cut my hand open trying to melt the wax down, and we're just like, how did you open it? I don't think. You could have just cracked it open. Okay. Then, so after like our 20th letter, we go, we gotta fix the wax. So we went down to Maker's Mark. Brian Vetter went. Yeah, he met with the head of bottling. Oh, they let us use their custom wax supplier. We had to use a different color. Yeah. So ours was dark maroon. Okay. Maker's Mark is red. Then Then they let us use their patented pull tabs. Oh, this is all real. It's pretty cool. I believe you. And so um, so then we had pull tabs on it, and the whole thing was really easy for a while. Uh-huh. But then we did a whole marketing consumer study on our consumer, and one of the number one things they cared about was ease of use. And so our packaging was the complete op instead of ease of use. But it was cool. It was so cool. And so we're like, basically, what they came back and said was everything that our shit was they hated except for the product itself. And we're like, do you know how hard it is to mass-produce waxed fucking bottles with pull tabs? Yeah. Like we built machinery to do it. Anyway, we switched to a twist cap with a shrink sleeve. We made it as beautiful as we possibly could. Yeah. It ended up being unbelievably successful and increased our shelf sales by like 300%. So uh it was good, but my point being the difference from what we thought something should be versus what people actually want in their lives, yeah. It came down now, ours is different because it was a product you eat. Right, right, right. But ease of use was like number one. Yeah. Well, wasn't number one, it was number three. But for you and what you're doing with these moms and dads in a car, right, four kids, right? Trying to do shit, right, trying to get shit done, following everything everywhere, like how is it the easiest, most efficient, simple, beautiful thing imaginable? Yeah. And I think that when I think about technology today, and this is true with anything that I'm using, it's like the easier it is with the better the output, yeah, the more successful you're gonna be. You know, like that has me thinking of something, so that's good. Yeah, because I mean it's like what what else is there? No one's got time for five steps, right? And you know, Mo and I are building out all these different things, the easier the thing is, the more we use it. And you can see that with anything, yeah, right? Like clawed now with clawed code and all this crazy shit. It's like that's working because it's simple. Yeah, nobody's got time for fucking API keys and plugging in and buying this thing and doing that. It's like that's working because simpletons for the first time can go, go make me this website, and it's like zing. Yeah, it's crazy actually. I have not used it. Um you really with all of that a lot of with all that stuff, it's wonderful to use from an efficiency perspective, creatively, and this is Mo and and my assessment. It's not like a freestanding kind of like creative vehicle, right? Yet, right, it's I don't know. It it's it'll give you inspiration. You know, it'll be like this is really good, and you're like, actually, I hate all this, but this part, whoa, yeah, never thought of that. Right. And then administratively great, like a lot of admin stuff, very efficient. Um it's definitely worth fucking around with because I think with you being in this space, you need to just understand how easy and efficient something that complicated can be. Yeah. And then see how you can align that with whatever you're doing. Okay. Because again, it's like who are the team managers of these sports? Right. Who are the directors of these clubs? Right. They're dealing with parents, yeah. Crazy ass parents in club sports. There's nobody crazier. Nobody. I'll like when they think their kid is really good. Not only that, but like really good at a super young age. That's the part that blows my mind. I'm like, these fuckers are eight, dude. Yeah, I'm like, I don't want to hear shit until they hit puberty. Right. Yeah. Like, I don't care if your kid's the greatest. Now, it's great to watch your kid be good at something at eight. Yeah, sure. And they love it. Okay, cool. Yep. They're not going to UVA at eight. Right. They're not going to UVA at 10. Right. Like, we got a while to go. Yeah. For boys, let's see the balls drop and see what happens. Right. Yeah. Like, that's the great equalizer. Yep. What's testosterone gonna do? Show me your parents. Yeah. Yeah, like my boys all the time. They go, they used to go, man, this kid's really good. I like meet their mom and dad. I'm like, don't worry. You got it. I was listening to your podcast about like the arranged marriages and how that was good, a good, good idea at one point, but it totally makes sense. We gotta go back to that. I'm not kidding. I tell Genevieve all the time, I'm like, what are we doing? I know. Like Genevieve, like you and I lucked out, but in the grand scheme of things, like, yeah, we gotta get back to the dowry. Like, hey, yeah, I know you met this dude at a bar and you think he's got a cute butt. Right. Let's look at the genetics here. Right. What are we doing? Yeah. Like, let's not just jump in right now. It makes a lot of sense. It does make a lot of sense. And then, like, recently, what in the past 50, 75 years, something like that, we're just like, fuck it, Mary, whoever you love. And you're like, and it's funny, I've been with Genevieve since 2003, and we still love each other, but it's like the love now is so different. Oh, yeah, sure. Than when you're like 20. 20, right? You're like, I just want to see this girl's boots. That's it. That's all it's grown-up love. Right. Now it's grown-up love. Like, I love how organized you are. You are so fucking organized. And I try and tell this to younger people like, I just can't find anybody. I'm like, you're looking at these people like it's a selection of like a porn you're trying to create. Right. That's not the values you need to be looking at. Right. Is this dude gonna take care of you long term? Yeah, does he have the value system that you care about? Yeah, do you want this guy being the father of your children? Right. Is he gonna be a good dad? Yeah, does he have any issues that you need to be aware of? Does he have any weird kinks? What are his parents like? Yeah, like yeah, did any of us look into that shit? Not really. Yeah, not really. Yeah, now I did, honestly. I was kind of like a sociopath at that, where I was like, I'm breeding straight up. Like, I am breeding, and this is a true story, and Jedi people vouch for it. So we start dating, and she's got all the things like she's beautiful, she's smart, she's funny, she's disciplined, she's all this stuff. Yeah, you know, she's working her way through college, she's got grit, and then she's got bowle. And I'm like, I don't know, I don't know about the bowlegs. Oh my god. And so we played in a club co ed soccer league together in college. Yep, and she literally won league defensive MVP because of how aggressive she was. Oh my god. So after that, I go, I think this is a risk that I can take. And so we joke all the time that our four kids didn't get her bow legs because my genes were so strong. Oh my gosh. And she just looks at me, she's just like, you fucking asshole. But um my youngest son, Forrest, came out and he's a brick shit house. Uh, but he was bow legged as fuck. Oh my gosh. And so every day I used to massage his legs straight. Oh god. I massage his fucking legs. I'm like, oh my god, come on, buddy. Come on. And hilarious. Yeah. And now he's not. Oh, that's they're fucking straight. It's got great calves. I'm like, You're like, I did that to you, son. Oh, that's funny. But my wife, trust, she loves when I talk about, loves it. She's like, you fucking dick. I'm like, oh my god. I mean, you had, you know, God is fair. You just you can't be a perfect human. Exactly. Great teeth, great jaw, nice head. She has a nice sized head. She does. And I told her she's got a great energy. I was like, great energy, positive, yeah, cares about holidays, cares about other people, is a great friend. All these things. Yeah. Right? And I'm like, this is, and I did, you know, we talked when we were in our 20s. I'm like, I want like, I want to have kids. Like, this is not, we're not being together like to be two solo people in the work, like, yeah, we're having kids. Yeah. And she loved, she was like, yeah, 100%. I'm like, all right, let's do this. Worked out. Yeah. I love it. But you married a stud. Yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah, he's a beast. We met when I was 30 on match.com. Nice. Our first date was to Gordon Birsch for lunch, and he ordered a soda, which I liked because I was just sober for like two years. And he started interviewing me. He's like, Would you travel for my job? Would you relocate? Would you? And I'm like, wow, this is a good thing. Where was he coaching at the time? Maybe. Oh, okay. So I'm like, wow, but it was so refreshing because my boyfriend before that was like an enigma. And I like I had no idea what he was thinking. This guy I knew like everything. And then at the end of the date, he goes, I have one more question. What are you doing tomorrow? I'm like, I love this. I love. And we hung out every day for seven days. And we were engaged four months later. That's awesome. Yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah, he's the man. He's uh he's awesome. Great guy. And now he's at my alma mater, Annapolis Senior High School. He is helping shape America's youth. There we go. Greg Venner Podcast. Uh, Mary Davis in the house. Look up all of her wonderful stuff. But Mary Davis Digital said it. And Team Huddle Social. Team Huddle Social. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. All right, we'll see you next time.