Supernaut
Supernaut is a podcast about spirituality, sobriety, and the spectrum of self. Hosted by Beth Kelling, this show explores what it means to seek clarity, connection, and personal truth in a world that rarely slows down.
Since beginning her sobriety journey in 2020, Beth has been diving deeper into spiritual practices, emotional honesty, and all the beautiful, messy layers of identity.
Each episode opens the door to conversations about healing, growth, creativity, intuition, and everything in between — because who we are isn’t fixed, it’s a spectrum.
Beth will be joined by guests who share their own stories, perspectives, and spiritual paths — offering insight, inspiration, and the occasional cosmic detour.
Whether you’re sober-curious, spiritually inclined, or just looking to feel a little more human, you’re in the right place
Supernaut
Surviving the Spiral: Dom & Kim on the Road to 1,000 Days Sober
What does it take to transform from a daily blackout drinker to nearly 1,000 days of sobriety? Dom knows firsthand—he's lived it. In this raw, unflinching conversation, Dom shares his remarkable journey alongside his mother Kim, revealing the darkest moments of his addiction and the unexpected path that led to his recovery.
At his lowest point, Dom reached a blood alcohol level of .40 twice in two weeks—a level doctors told him should have been fatal. Despite having a son who survived cancer and facing numerous personal challenges, Dom couldn't break free from alcohol's grip until he finally reached his breaking point. "I looked at my kids and they were just miserable hanging out with me," he recalls, marking the moment everything changed.
What makes Dom's story particularly powerful is that no dramatic event—no DUI, no accident, no ultimatum—pushed him to sobriety. Instead, it was a quiet morning after the Super Bowl when he simply asked his children, "What if we don't go to the liquor store today?" They didn't believe him. Now, nearly three years later, those same children serve as his greatest motivation.
The transformation extends far beyond just not drinking. Dom describes a complete rewiring of his emotional regulation, perspective, and priorities. His mother Kim offers a touching perspective on watching her son evolve from "a bomb going off all the time" to someone who thoughtfully processes life's challenges. Their candid conversation reveals how addiction affects entire families and how recovery can heal those same relationships.
Whether you're struggling with addiction yourself, supporting a loved one through recovery, or simply seeking to understand the journey, Dom's story offers a blueprint of hope. His message is clear: "If you want it that bad, you're going to get it." Listen now to discover how one man's decision to choose life over liquid death transformed not just his future, but the lives of everyone around him.
0:00 Introduction to Dom's Sobriety Journey
7:21 The Final Day of Drinking
22:21 Hitting Rock Bottom and Hospital Detox
37:08 How Drinking Destroyed Relationships
52:45 Finding Purpose Through Faith
1:07:12 A Mother's Perspective on Addiction
1:22:21 Rebuilding Life and Discovering Joy
Welcome to Supernaut, where we explore the inner and outer dimensions of the self. Today I have on Dom Forey and his mom, Kim. Dom has been sober for 970 days, so we're going to discuss that, plus talk about having kids, his work and his faith, and talk to Kim about what it was like coping with Dom's drinking and getting sober. So what song did you pick for us to listen to today?
Speaker 2:I picked. What an Awesome.
Speaker 1:God, Just an awesome song. Every time I listen to it. I'm never sad about it. Yeah, it pumps you up. It brought me back to Bible camp. It was amazing. I felt it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it. My kids love it too. They're just jamming back there. It's a lot better than a lot of today's music. So awesome.
Speaker 1:So 970 days do you celebrate at different landmarks, like at a thousand days? Are you planning to celebrate?
Speaker 2:well, not really celebrate. I just I got it like in my head. I got the date, my calendar and everything and I'm pretty excited. 100 days was a lot. That was a journey Thousands easier than 100.
Speaker 1:I believe that the first 100 was the hardest.
Speaker 2:Tough.
Speaker 1:Take me back to 971 days ago, your last day.
Speaker 2:It was the Super Bowl, I'm pretty sure it was the day before the Super Bowl and I was in rough shape Like one of those hangovers that was you would rather be dead than be alive. And I drank all that day. And I woke up the next day, on Valentine's Day, and I just asked my kids what if we don't go to the liquor store today? And they didn't believe me. Now it's been 970 days.
Speaker 1:When you say the worst day, do you mean physically or emotionally, or both?
Speaker 2:Definitely not physically. Physically it was like a couple weeks before then, but emotionally it was for sure, like the worst.
Speaker 1:Were you a blackout drinker? Oh yeah. Were you blacked out the day before.
Speaker 2:Every day, seven days a week. I'll drink all day, all night, multiple times a day to the liquor store. No DUIs, thank God.
Speaker 1:Had you tried quitting drinking before that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, a ton of times, lots of times, like you know, every day.
Speaker 1:What was the longest you had gone?
Speaker 2:Um, probably like three, three months, but other than that there was like no gaps.
Speaker 1:When you said you were going to quit and then you would drink again. What was that? Tell me more about that cycle, like what would be something that triggered you to go drink again.
Speaker 2:Just anything. I had no coping mechanism with anything. So the wind was just right and the sun was out drank. Somebody said something I didn't like drank. Didn't feel like going to work that day, I'd go drinking. It wasn't very hard to stay in a cycle like that. What kept you going this time? I got a divorce and I had to watch my kids. I just looked at them and they were just miserable hanging out with me.
Speaker 1:So I just said I'm done. When was the first time that you seriously almost quit the quitting?
Speaker 2:It was a couple weeks before that, I think. I was at like a .40 or like maybe even above it, so you should have been dead technically. So that was kind of like, how long can I go for? They told me like 32 would have been a good, good estimate on dying, and I'm 32 next month.
Speaker 1:So I wanted to make the 32 kind of a little milestone for myself.
Speaker 4:What was going on through your mind, kim? Well, for a long time, every time he would call me in his non-regulated emotional state, I would scream back at him this is what you need to do, this is what you need to do, this is what you need to do. And then I reached a point where I was like I love you every day, I just do. And he was like how could you love, love me, I'm just a mess. And I was like I'm just gonna love you every day. It's just, it's gonna be that.
Speaker 4:And then he came, stayed at my house for a while, a few days, and he was. I've never seen so many fireball little shooters show up out of nowhere. And I gave him the ultimatum for one of his detox times. I was like well, you can go to a facility and stay for a while. You can go back to your life the way you've always done it. You can go to the hospital. We have options, but you are going to have to choose because it's your life and I can't choose that for you. You have to make the decision. And I went downstairs and did laundry or something. I came upstairs to like take me to the hospital. And I did and actually legally they had to keep him in the emergency room because his blood alcohol level was so high that the chance of seizure was so great in the detox process that they had to keep him for 72 hours or longer.
Speaker 1:And sorry, this was a few weeks before.
Speaker 2:This was a few weeks before it was like January, middle of January.
Speaker 4:This was a few weeks. That detox was a few weeks before the next detox. Yeah, we went to Cambridge and you were missing for a couple of days.
Speaker 1:He was there for like 11 days and you didn't know that he was in.
Speaker 2:Nobody knew where he was for days.
Speaker 4:I just had to, you just had to drop off for a minute I just even with my kids, everything.
Speaker 2:I just said I've got to get better. And then it was like probably only a couple more days of drinking after that and I was done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then the Super Bowl happened and blacked out again, and then that next day you were like okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had two .40s in two weeks on record, so I know I was at .40 every other day, so that only gave me three more years to live. That's not Maybe. Maybe three years. I was 200 and something pounds. Then when I quit I lost 40 pounds in like three months.
Speaker 4:I just went off just from all that sugar, the inflammation, yeah, and swelling.
Speaker 1:I just got a new license from sobriety oh so every time you're looking at that old license, you're like I just sent who is that person? Yeah, I was like look at this guy it looks terrible why do you think you liked drinking so much? Why do you think that was your drug of choice? What were you escaping from?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I like I had a different dad growing up and then, versus the one that was my biological dad, so that was one part of it. But I really liked drinking. I loved it. I loved the atmosphere. I loved hanging out with my friends. It didn't bother me blacking out at all, I didn't care.
Speaker 1:For me it's like okay, two or three drinks is really fun, five or six is going to be more fun, 25 is going to be the most fun, so why wouldn't I just keep going?
Speaker 2:So I looked at it too. Didn't bother me at all. Then I started seeing my kids' faces and I'm like I should probably do something about this.
Speaker 1:How old are your kids?
Speaker 2:The ones 11, nine and six, okay, and they always talk about it Every day.
Speaker 1:Still, right now, still, what do they say?
Speaker 2:Hey Dad, you remember when that time where you were, I'm like, yeah, buddy, yeah I don't, but you do, so I get to relive it through you and I'm terribly sorry for that.
Speaker 1:Do you think that helps keep you from drinking?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, sorry for that. Do you think that helps? Keep you from drinking oh yeah, for sure, yeah, they're my uh what do you call them?
Speaker 1:accountability partners? Yeah, yeah, they keep me motivated. Yeah, is there anything else that you've replaced?
Speaker 2:drinking with. I like sweet tea. Yeah, a lot. I should probably give that up soon. It's a lot of sugar.
Speaker 1:Well, start making your own, and a little bit less sugar every week, maybe, just like slowly wean yourself off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I tried the pot thing for a while. That did not work for me. No, that was terrible.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:It just gave me so much anxiety all the time. I'm like this is going to work, it's legal, I'm gonna try it, and then it just would just freak me out every day. I'm like I'm just going straight. Sober, I'm done with this yeah yeah, so that was.
Speaker 4:That's been the best decision I've ever made yeah, when he first quit drinking, he was staying at my house and I'm the manager of the anytime fitness in town, so he was like, do you think I could come to the gym? I, I need to sweat. And I was like yep.
Speaker 4:So he got his own membership. He started coming to the gym and a lot of those first days he was there like three times a day and he would come in and he'd sweat and he'd work out until he didn't have anything left. And then he'd go home and he'd eat and he'd rest, and he wasn't back to work yet at that point and so he had too much time on his hands and he was like I don't know what people do, I don't know how to do this. And so he's like I'm going back to the gym, and sometimes it would be adult because, as your body's detoxing, insomnia is super normal you know there's so many things and then, like 11 o'clock at night, he'd be like Mom, I'm going to the gym, do it bud.
Speaker 2:Had to.
Speaker 4:Like how many times, I mean, I have started running, and so people ask me all the time what are you running from? And I was like my demons. And I remember looking at him running on the treadmill and I was like that boy is fighting those little buggers, Right, you know, because it was a lot, and if you don't have something to replace that energy with in a healthy manner, you know you're just going to go from drinking to gambling or drinking to something else negative.
Speaker 1:Where he was like I'm not doing that, yeah because all we are is chemicals and we just want dopamine. However, we can get it and our brain will do anything it can to get back to homeostasis and back to that point of pleasure. So, yeah, that's what I mean is like replacing it with exercise. That's great Three times a day. Yeah, because I mean you can replace it with with your kids or your spouse or whoever you want, and say, you know, I'm just going to keep thinking about them, but that's not an activity. You know what I mean. I think you need to do something with your time. You can't just sit there and think about them, as much as as beautiful as that would be to say like I quit for my kids, like obviously you did, but there has to be something else physical, I think to do. Otherwise, what else are you going to do? Cause, yeah, it's like when I used to drink seven days a week and I was like, what do you do? What do people do? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't understand. I didn't know what people did at all. I had no idea what people did. I thought people that went for walks were weirdos. I thought people that went to church were weirdos. I thought people that were just happy for no reason weirdos. Or I thought they were drinking.
Speaker 4:I thought you had to be drinking Something different. You are weird. Something different, kind of Kool-Aid, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then I found out, they just got. They got it figured out.
Speaker 4:They just enjoyed it. Yeah, enjoyed life differently.
Speaker 1:They're just enjoying life, living in the present moment, not I don't know.
Speaker 2:I wasted a lot of my time, a lot of it, and I don't remember it. So it's not that bad, I guess, but a lot of time and money wasted. I don't think about it like that. Every once in a while I do, I just go if I could do it all over again I would delete that one. Thing. Everything else keep it, whatever. But, drinking, I would never touch the stuff.
Speaker 1:Because it does just feel like a time waster and it sucked all that life out, yeah.
Speaker 2:Wouldn't leave the house. Missed so many things. Now I go on vacations.
Speaker 4:I'm leaving next week. Now he does family.
Speaker 2:Where are you?
Speaker 4:going next week.
Speaker 2:Upper Peninsula oh beautiful, but like the weekend, just a weekend trip there and back. I would have never been able to do that, or else I would have probably gotten like a DUI.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you never got one. Did you ever get any accidents like car accidents, bike accidents, nothing, Nothing. Well, that's so impressive and that's what I'm searching for the most on this podcast is people who have found a way to quit without something devastating happen. So that's really beautiful. Any other insight you have for people who want to and are just waiting for that horrible thing to happen before they quit? I used to say when I was a teenager my quit smoking cigarettes plan is to get pregnant, Like you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I totally understand that.
Speaker 4:That would be life changing yeah.
Speaker 2:My son had cancer and that's when it really went just bam downhill and I told myself like I'm going to quit when he beats this. I told myself I'm going to quit when I find out, you know, if this is cancer, I'm done. And then I never quit. And then he beat it and it was like two years later and I was still just drinking like he was sick and he's totally healthy and I just was like I'm done. I'm like I'm done with this. It's time he needs me. Drank the whole time in surgery, hung over. This could be the day of his surgery.
Speaker 2:I look back on the pictures and I'm just like I thank God he beat it because he really needed me there I'm glad I was there, but like I don't remember it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you can't let that guilt on, otherwise that's good, no, he doesn't care at all either.
Speaker 2:So he's like come on, dad, remember he doesn't care.
Speaker 1:Kids are resilient.
Speaker 2:They are, they bounce. They're rubber, they're tough rubber, they're cool. They're my little homies.
Speaker 1:Any other stories you wanted to share about drinking those days?
Speaker 2:Don't drink in high school. Yeah, it's stupid, it's so dumb. Yeah, it's just the only thing. So many pointless, pointless times in my life when I could have stayed in sports. Instead I wanted to drink. Maybe I could have did something else. I could have stayed in sports, instead I wanted to drink. Maybe I could have did something else. I think about that every once in a while like, oh man, instead of driving the cities every day, I could just be doing this. But it's like, yeah, that wasn't in my cards, it wasn't my path, I had to do it this way. This is my path. I had to do it this way and I completed it. I definitely did it. It's a lot. It's been over a long time now to where it's not very hard.
Speaker 2:When did it stop being hard um, probably like the year and a half mark, like a year is like a pretty easy time to relapse in, like the first year I remember coming back back and I gave up fishing too. I used to love fishing, but fishing was drinking, everything was drinking, every single activity I did was drinking. So now I got almost three years. Now I'm starting to weasel that fishing back in, because now I can enjoy it and I don't have to have alcohol, I mean ever.
Speaker 1:But you didn't need to take that chance for a while.
Speaker 2:No, anything, I didn't do anything. Take that chance for a while. No, I did anything. I didn't do anything, nothing at all. Like I'd take my kids to the park and I'm in the skate park and then I'd go home, got rid of all my friends. I have no friends, zero, and I mean. A lot of people probably hate me, but I don't care why would they hate you? This is a bad alcoholic. You know, alcoholics do mean things.
Speaker 1:Alcoholics do bad things, and sorry to whoever doesn't like me, but yeah, I don't know anything about the step program, but isn't there something about like making amends?
Speaker 2:with people.
Speaker 1:Do you ever think?
Speaker 2:about that? No, because.
Speaker 1:You're just happy with how your life is now. Yeah, totally fine. Who's in it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I never did any. I tried that step program, I tried treatment and then one of the kids went to high school. His mom was in there and she was drunk, and every time she's drunk. I was just trying. I was like really trying to take it seriously then and I hadn't relapsed then at all. So that was still sober then and I could tell when she was drunk because she would face like chat, like what's it called zoom chat into the treatment for the day. She wouldn't come in person and I could just hear her talking on the TV. She's hammered and I just looked at the counselor and said, yeah, I'm done with this, I'm leaving. She's like well, you need this. I said no.
Speaker 2:I don't, I don't need this and I just left. I've been sober ever since then. I hope she is, but I'm not going to waste my time on like people ask me like Well different things work for different people, yeah. When they say different strokes for different folks or whatever, I always say, like you know, if you want it that bad, you're going to get it. Yeah. I mean honestly, if you want to be a millionaire, that bad. You're going to work crazy hard to become a millionaire.
Speaker 1:So I saw a TikTok and it said what are the chances that you're going to make a million dollars in the next year? Like what percentage would you say Five, five percent, yeah. So what if I told you everybody in your life was going to die unless you made a million dollars in the next year? What are the chances that you'll make a million dollars? 110. Right, yeah, if you want to do something, you'll do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got to suffer. That's how I look at it. Suffering is the best way to get sober. Yeah. It is the worst way, but it's the best way. If you're just done with it, you're going to stop.
Speaker 1:You go through that horrible point, but now you're to a point where, like does it faze you ever? Do you ever consider it? That's how I'm too. It's like it doesn't cross my mind, and I didn't believe I would ever get to that point oh, I thought I was gonna die.
Speaker 2:I literally thought I was gonna die. I was kind of convincing myself I was going to die and I was starting to become okay with it. I was gonna wonder how I was gonna tell my kids your dad's dying from choices I made. I was was like going through all the lines like how am I going to tell them? They're going to be very sad?
Speaker 4:And that's when I was just like I don't want that to be my story. No.
Speaker 2:That's not my story. It's not over yet.
Speaker 1:Did it feel like a light bulb went off? I wonder what shifted.
Speaker 2:It did click. It really did. It's the weirdest thing. I don't know how to explain it. I just woke up one day and I just said I'm done, I'm done, I'm done. That's all I said.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was your mother's support from the background, like deciding to stop resisting and pushing and fighting and doing all this stuff and just deciding I'm just going to send them love. I mean I think that's powerful.
Speaker 2:She's got a picture of me where I'm just like a puddle on the couch.
Speaker 4:With a whole bunch of empty fireball bottles, little shooters around him and I was like where do those keep coming?
Speaker 2:from. I knew it was bad. At the end, when I was drinking Rumplements, my peppermint schnapps 100 proof. That's when I knew I'm like, oh, you're on the 100 proof, man. Like there's nowhere, no more uphill after 100 proof. If you get off beer, you're done. You're done, you're going to ruin your life. It's just the heroin of alcohol. It's the worst.
Speaker 1:Do you remember your first drink?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do Yep Stole it.
Speaker 1:Stole it yeah yeah From her.
Speaker 2:She had a full liquor cabinet. It was hidden away from all the children. But if you want something you're going to go get it. I was that curious kid.
Speaker 4:Kids are resilient, right? Yeah, I mean, it was a challenge to get to.
Speaker 2:It was locked. Everything was locked in their house. Everything was locked. You know, weasels find their way into things and well, you said curiosity.
Speaker 1:I like that better than weasel, and maybe your curiosity to see what life sober would be like is kind of what got you out. Maybe your curiosity was the bad part and the good part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess yeah, from the time that I was 10 until 29,. I didn't stop. My whole life I drank and then one day, like you said it just Off.
Speaker 2:No more. I have not had a drink since. I've had like an NA beer, but that's like very rare, it's like one every six months or even further. Like I forget the last time. Oh no, I went to tacos, I had one at tacos, that's it. I don't like keep them in my house. My fiance doesn't drink, so that helps too. If I had a partner that was drunk all the time, I mean at four, and I just dump them. I'm like. I'm not going to deal with this. I don't have to.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I don't have to deal with this.
Speaker 1:Right and your kids don't.
Speaker 2:No. And quitting like that gives me a lot of power just to say no, like with anything, I can just say no, yeah right, everything, literally, you're so strong now, yeah, nothing can break me. It's so exciting, right, it's pretty cool. People like, hey, you want to do this. No, no, you used to be like, you know, well, I, I kind of don't know. No, they're. Wow, that's how you feel. Yep. Forgive me, I'm blunt.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Happy.
Speaker 1:That's great. That's great. And, kim, you're not much of a drinker, not much, no. Did watching him change your relationship with alcohol at all?
Speaker 4:Probably a little bit yeah, you know, I went through my times in my life too where I drank a lot. You know, after my mom passed away, I drank a lot. I was in a relationship before that where I drank a lot, and when you start to see people be healthy, you are excited about that. And watching him and the struggles that he went through, and then to watch him smile again, I was like you know what? You know, we just don't need that. We just, you know, it's one thing to be social, you know, in my world or whatever, but some people just can't and it's a poison to every single body. That's what alcohol is. So, you know, you just choose, but I don't crave it. You know. It's not like I'm like, oh, I can't wait to be done with this so that I can go have a glass of wine. I don't think, I think about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've never seen you like that or like, oh, I should stop. I don't think, I think about it. Yeah, I've never seen you like that or like, oh, I should stop, or I'm only going to have two tonight, and then you end up having more like never seen that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's um. So we're all different the less. The less I drink, the less I care to drink you know, but I was kind of like that with smoking too, so I never was a super smoker.
Speaker 1:Not me kind of like that with smoking too, so I never was a super smoker, not me still smoking no, I smoke one cigar every day oh yeah but I gave myself.
Speaker 2:I limit myself to one yeah that's like it, but then I can go like five days in the one, but with cigarettes. I used to love cigarettes, me and her mom, my grandma. We would just smoke cigarettes together. She'd come over, I would quit, be good for a couple months. Stop by grandma's house. She'd be like you want a cigarette? Yeah, give me one of them. Cigarettes, grandma it's just like comforting nostalgia, yeah yep, she had lung cancer and she'd say you want a cigarette, give me one of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, smoking cigarettes. I can't say no to grandma, no no, she'd say you want coffee?
Speaker 2:Sure, I don't drink coffee Ever. I never drink coffee. But Grandma would ask and I'd have a cigarette and coffee in my hand and I'd just look down and go. I don't know how this happened, where did these come from, but I'm cool with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Grandma, I'm going to have to cut you out of I sat there and I smoked with her until she passed. She was a card.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, she loved her heaters. I did too. Kids make fun of me for yellow teeth. Still I said well, don't smoke yeah right. I said don't vape.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to show you what not to do. Yeah, I am a perfect example of what not to do and what to do if you get, if you struggle. Yeah, you did the hardest thing and you evolved. You jumped this huge leap. From doing this horrible hard, I'm sure it was just ruthless. Like how many times did you almost cave and relapse?
Speaker 2:it. It was close, really close, can you think of?
Speaker 1:a specific time where you were really close and didn't.
Speaker 2:Since the day I quit there hasn't been a close one. That's good, but before that, those two times I had a little bit of time. I had a week, ten days, and then, boom, I'm back at 0.40.
Speaker 1:Just like that, like I never had 10 days like do you remember making that decision or is it like your brain just shuts off?
Speaker 2:oh, I lose it. I lose all, all motor functions. All of a sudden I'm like I already had the liquor store and I've already drank one and I go, wow, what the heck how did this happen?
Speaker 1:how did I?
Speaker 2:get here. I'm now. That's right. I just know my brain knows we're having the same communication. We don't drink, period, but I think.
Speaker 4:Now it's different in the way you have your thoughts, your emotional intelligence, your ability to think choices through is entirely different. Your ability to be rational is entirely different. Your you know ability to be rational is entirely different. You're when something you know big occurs, you take a second and you process it and you respond where in those drinking days, everything was reactive. He was like a bomb going off all the time. It was not a pleasant place to be when he was in that mode because it was explosive, and that's not the case anymore. Now it's. This occurred and it's a big deal. And what are my options? This is what I'm going to need to do and that's a 180 for sure in comparison to how he used to handle life, like basic life things, you know, like one of your kids wants a glass of milk and it spills on the way. He would have lost his mind where now he's like boop, it's spilled milk. Oops, I don't even care.
Speaker 2:I don't even like milk. I don't yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't either, but it's a whole different, you know, it's the ability to stop and think and process and respond, instead of just reacting and blowing up all the time. And that was what the kids learned growing up. Dad was going to blow up if anything happened. He was ticking time, dom all the time.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think your brain has to change in order for that to happen. So how did your brain change? Because I mean it's got to take practice. I think working out probably helps. I know when I work out I think a lot clearer. I put a lot more pauses in my conversations definitely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I just I should get back to the gym, though I definitely should do that. I just work and sports, so many sports.
Speaker 1:I know I was like I should go put vikings on because we got the wild, the Twins.
Speaker 2:I gave up sports when I quit drinking.
Speaker 4:I never watched them, you'll forever be a diehard Twins fan.
Speaker 2:I am a diehard Twins fan.
Speaker 4:But that doesn't mean you watch it.
Speaker 2:I don't watch it. I can't sit down. Guys at work are like you're going to sit down and watch a Vikings game this weekend. I said no, and they're like why not I? And they're like why not?
Speaker 1:and I said well, I'm not sitting down for three hours yeah, because you're, so is your brain so active, you need to like be doing so much stuff, and maybe that's why you drink so much too is because, like you, don't know how to relax so you had to do something, and but now you're doing what housework?
Speaker 2:and no, outside stuff. No, I don't do anything. I get yelled at all the time for not doing that stuff.
Speaker 4:It's like putzing, it's like whatever the kids want to do Kind of just putzing around, yeah, kind of just being alive. He's got a Blackstone now, so sometimes he's out there slinging.
Speaker 2:Yeah my fiance cooks really good so I got to give her a little shout out because it's awesome. But I got to get back to the gym because she made cowboy beans before I came here. It was awesome, it was the most delicious. I got the best life now and almost 1,000 days ago I did not think I would have a life like this. I didn't. I thought I was going to get my kids taken away from me. I thought the worst, everything. I thought the worst. I could find the worst and the best thing. Now I never think negative, ever. I try not to. I can't say I'm perfect, but I really try not to. I live pretty like karmatic, try to do as much as I can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so how does faith play a role in all of this? When did your faith turn grow? Well, I tried to prove him wrong. I tried to prove play a role in all of this. When did your faith turn grow?
Speaker 2:Well, I tried to prove him wrong. I tried to prove Jesus wrong. Like I tried, I studied and by trying to prove him wrong I was wrong. So I said well, I'm a believer now. I tried, that's great.
Speaker 1:I really did. When did that start?
Speaker 2:Probably like a year ago, I was watching some videos and like there's no as real, because I don't need god to get sober, I'm already sober. And then so I started just researching and my grandma was a huge. We call her a bible thumper. She was big, huge bible thumper, so faithful. But then I, the older I get now and the more I research into it, I'm like man. She had it all figured out. She was untouchable, untouchable. You could not have fazed that lady. She knew she had God on her side. Now I'm trying to pass that down 100%, like 110%. She had God on her side. So I'm thinking you know, how do I get there? I want to get there. That's my goal now is I want to get there because she was untouchable. You couldn't have wrecked her day. Raining sleet, sideways, cool.
Speaker 4:That's beautiful.
Speaker 2:It's a beautiful day. I'm like come on, Grandma, it's terrible outside.
Speaker 2:No it isn't, it's warm in here. And then you're like it is warm in here. You know she always find the good and everything she always said God is good, so I'm like. So now I'm like whatever, I'm just gonna give it a try and it's been great. I quit listening to terrible music and I listen to Christian music all the time, even at work, and it totally uplifts my mood. I'm never like angry. I used to be so angry, so angry like the most angry, the probably like the most like. If you were to record with me just throughout my day, you could probably have a million views.
Speaker 4:It was just terrible, terrible anger every sentence had at least a swear word, if not four or all of them, it was just all of them.
Speaker 1:Sentence swear words and the relationship was god changed that or the yeah, yeah, I try and like watch my language now yeah I try.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying I'm perfect or ever going to be. I probably not gonna give up swearing permanently but like I don't think he'll be too mad.
Speaker 1:no, I'm I'm sorry, man, come on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm doing my best here, so that's what also. I try to remember that I am not perfect. I am.
Speaker 1:But God loves you anyway. Yeah, so that's the great part, yeah.
Speaker 2:He made me this way and this is how he wants me to be, so I'm just going to be myself and nobody can take away anything from me anymore.
Speaker 3:I used to let people influence me all the time, so then I got rid of all my friends and I just said who am I?
Speaker 2:I don't even know who I am anymore. No idea. I know my dad, but that's not who I am. I have a fiance, but that's not who I am.
Speaker 2:Who am I, and I just realized I am a decent person. I'm not a great person, but I'm a pretty good person. I'll help you out, but if you're a dick, I'm not going to help you out. Like, I'm smart enough now to where, like no, you know I just no, I've gotten a lot stronger. I used to be weak, terribly weak, weak person, weak mindset, everything. Now, no, totally different. Alcohol is the devil.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, do you feel like it's a blessing at all that you went through that, because now you are so strong?
Speaker 2:Yes, Without it I would.
Speaker 1:What else could have made you this strong?
Speaker 2:Nothing.
Speaker 2:Because there's not much else out there that's as hard to to quit there's nothing kid having cancer, grandma dying none of that would have ever made me as strong as I am today, without getting sober, because I had to do that by myself. Nobody else did it for me. You know, it's kind of like, you know, building a building a billion dollar business. I did this by myself, me, me, myself and I. I mean I had help, but at the end of the day, the decision was all mine and it still is. Every day I choose this lifestyle. I enjoy it a lot when I wake up and I just go, ah, cool, cool, I don't feel like garbage today. Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4:And you sleep better I can actually sleep, actually sleep.
Speaker 2:It took me like a month probably to actually fall asleep.
Speaker 4:Probably longer than that, probably To get normal sleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to actually fall asleep. Yeah, pot too, that's terrible, I don't know why. Like some people, it works for me. I just couldn't sleep. All I do is eat and I had anxiety, like I heard this thing on tiktok the other day, where it's like he's like pot's not all that bad people say it ruins your memory. He's like I smoked the other day and then I remember I have anxiety and I was like man, that is totally me too.
Speaker 2:So now I don't, like I felt like if I went to a psychiatrist he would have lit me up with all these things, all these different diagnosis, when I first, when I was drinking, and like I wish I could have went to one and he would have looked at me at this part, and then, like a thousand days later, and be like, well, you don't have none of that, because I feel like those chemicals just ruin your brain. And then you start making yourself believe these things and it is so weird how your brain can get off track like that well, I think alcohol is called spirit for a reason I think it changes your spirit because it is an entity in itself that you're allowing into your soul I think it's the devil.
Speaker 2:I really think it is like. I honestly think it is. I think that's why it's illegal, because it just I don't know why. Why would it be legal? In my eyes, there's no good to it other than like antiseptic. You could clean with it you could start a fire if you needed to, but like honestly, like in the body, that is not, you could put in your gas tank it's poison, it's poison. It's legal little organs yeah, my liver.
Speaker 2:I know that thing was fat, I know it had to have been. It's been going on to the doctor. They said, you're fine, miracle had to have been. Then we went on to the doctor and they said you're fine, miracle. I should have been yellow. Honestly, I should have had a yellow face, yellow body.
Speaker 4:There probably was a little stretch in there where you were a little yellowish. There's probably a tint of yellow.
Speaker 2:But that fireball. I think they said that fireball has propylene glycol in it food grade antifreeze and that's what's in vapes and people are smoking that. I was smoking those vapes and I was drinking that fireball and I think that antifreeze is not good for your brain at all. No, it's like alcohol and antifreeze. That's a concoction to go.
Speaker 1:They want us to keep going to the doctor they do they.
Speaker 2:They want us to keep spending money on pharmacy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I look at it too.
Speaker 2:So that's like with my youngest son. He's not vaccinated. People call me crazy for that, but I'm also like you know if he gets sick. Well, I guess I was wrong.
Speaker 4:But he really is the only one that never gets sick.
Speaker 2:Never, ever, like every year at school, it's like, yeah, you sure, you sure you don't want to. I'm like, I'm sure, I'm so sure.
Speaker 4:I think he's gotten sick from like bad food yeah like that's it or something. But he doesn't really get a flu bug or anything.
Speaker 2:Like hand, foot and mouth went through my house. Terrible, Bad, like it took over my house. Every kid over my house, every kid had blisters on their heels and he had like two spots on his tongue and like three days later he was fine, wow. And I'm just looking at him like wow, my other kids that have like a couple vaccinations are just lit up. I'm like wow, but I can't see. No, I don't know what it is if it is those I mean if they're.
Speaker 2:I don't like polio, but I think about like. Should I have given him the polio vaccine and then I'm like but everyone else has them, so why do I have to give them then?
Speaker 2:you know, I kind of look at it that way now and then I just think, like you know, I feel like God will take care of my children. He already did. I had one son. He had stage 3 cancer at 5 years old. There were so many kids at that hospital with stage three cancer that that was the last place they were ever going to be was at that hospital. They were going to die there and that was hard to deal with. That was that survivor's guilt. I carried that with me for a long time. Why did my kid get to survive and all them other kids had to die or be sick forever, you know, and it's just like it took a long time to get over Now I just realized that's just how it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's just how it is, you just bang your head against the wall trying to figure it out. But you just have to trust that it is for a reason and yeah, God obviously gave you a really strong liver and didn't turn you into a yellow, so you know you're supposed to be here. You're supposed to be sharing the story and it's great how many people are sober nowadays.
Speaker 2:I think it's cool actually nowadays to be sober. To not drink is a.
Speaker 4:It's like the greatest trend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a hip trend not to drink and I'm like man, where was this trend? When I was a kid, you know, like we had the DARE program and it was like I dare you to do drugs, basically, and we're like, okay, done and done.
Speaker 1:Right. Well, they like classified everything together. They're like, you know, I don't know if meth was a thing when I was in grade school, but it's like cocaine and heroin and marijuana. They're all equally as bad and it like okay. Like you lied to me, like how can I trust anything else that you say?
Speaker 2:you know, yeah but I do sometimes think that weed is a great way to drug. I do think so because, like, there's a lot of times where, like hey, you want to just smoke, yeah sure, and I find myself doing like 10 other things. I'm like man, if I wouldn't have came over here to smoke, like just I think it gets you in the door because it's mind altering.
Speaker 1:So then, like you're gonna be altered, maybe to make other decisions than you normally want accepted too, you're like well, I try this.
Speaker 2:You know what's the difference between that. And then, oh, what's the difference between that? And you just keep going down and down and down and with alcohol, you know you're like more accepted, like, oh, that's just a party favorite that will help me drink more alcohol. Or, if I do this, it'll make me drink less. That's, I'm gonna try and slow down my drinking.
Speaker 2:So I'm gonna do this and I'll see you just full blown into that other one. It's like, all right, now I'm quitting this and I'll just drink. I used to tell myself all the time well, it's just drinking, it's alcohol, it's just alcohol. It's the worst one. It was the worst one I could have picked. I for sure I see people that are 30-year meth heads.
Speaker 1:They look like crap, but yeah, their organs aren't saturated with the alcohol, though.
Speaker 3:They're like picking up some exercising, you know, yeah, alcohol though, they're like picking up some exercising.
Speaker 2:But yeah, alcohol, you just plant yourself on a stool and turn into a puddle. Drown the sorrows no, I just deal with them, I don't care.
Speaker 1:When did you start going to church?
Speaker 2:So I haven't gone like fully into it yet, but like I get my kids every other week, so I got to convince them my oldest, full bore into it. I'm down, when do we leave? And then the other ones are like I want to go ride my bike. I get it. There's only so many more weeks to ride your bike, all right, fine, we had a. There's a wrestling event at the church. We drove from the house and my son got to go in the ring with the pastor and I'm like, yeah, you know it's that pastor, let's go see him. You know, yeah, but you know pay-per-view is going to be on today. I said, yeah, it's 7. Yeah, I just you can just read it to me. You know, read the Bible to me. I'm like, fine, whatever, at least you know we're getting something done here.
Speaker 2:But they seem to be believers.
Speaker 1:It's not really a compromise.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm totally down. Sometimes I don't feel like leaving the house.
Speaker 4:And there's really good stories in it.
Speaker 2:There's great stories, so they want me to get them a picture of Bible now. I'm totally fine with that. Yeah. Whether you just look at the pages, I don't care. Yeah, the book just be in it. Yeah, just open that book. That's how I look at it, I mean with an open mind. Yeah, just read it. I mean if it doesn't change your life.
Speaker 1:Then you try, yeah, and try again tomorrow planting seeds changed my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it totally changed my life. I obviously I was weird. That was weird. God's not real. Science is real. And now, like the older, I get like I'm just realizing science is just a theory. Everything's just a theory. Everything is people's guess. That bible's old, it's really old, so why do I have to lose?
Speaker 4:you know what I mean so what you might actually get, like you know, positive attitude and clearer thinking and better understanding of situations, and you know.
Speaker 1:Mind expansion.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no matter what you're going to get that Because these words were written so long ago. Like dang, you're going to get all those things oh yeah, oh damn the horror.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, oh, it's so terrible.
Speaker 2:I always thought they were like I used to like go to the kids I go to church with. When I was a kid I was like man these guys are nerds. I don't want to be a nerd.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I remember you saying that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did, but they were nerds, I think that was just them though that was not. God, it was just them. They were yeah so. But I see them now and they're like hey, I'm like hello.
Speaker 4:Regular everyday humans.
Speaker 2:They were just normal people that weren't drug addicts at 15 years old. Right. Weird Ego Guys. I had this huge ego. I thought I was the coolest. Turns out I'm not. And there's nothing like turning 30, to realize you're not that cool and I'm cool with not being cool.
Speaker 4:I don't know, when you get into your 50s you become cooler.
Speaker 2:Do you become cool? That's good. I haven't got quite a few years.
Speaker 4:You have something to look forward to, that's all right.
Speaker 1:Well, I think a thousand days sober is pretty damn cool. Because, yeah, we said the trend, we talked about that a few times with veda and my son, james is 20 and they just, they just don't really drink.
Speaker 2:I mean veda's 23, yeah, just you know congrats to them yeah if they can handle two beers, like I sometimes wish I could handle two beers. Yeah, because it would be cool to go have two beers with people Might be kind of nice. Might have some friends.
Speaker 1:Yeah right.
Speaker 2:But I don't. So, this is the life I live. You have friends.
Speaker 4:There's three small humans, or not so small humans.
Speaker 1:So you don't have any friends because you did drunken stupid things or you had to cut them out of your life.
Speaker 4:And straight choice Like he's. Like this is what I'm doing, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're not on my path, I don't care he doesn't have time. No, I don't have any time for anybody If you're not about making some money. You're the best.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Being a good person, being well behaved, just being polite. I don't care to speak to you, period. You just don't have energy for that. No, I don't put energy into that arguing with my kids. Little bit of energy I put into it, but not a lot if it's picking up your room, I am putting my foot down and you are putting up your room. I will spend all day on making sure you pick up your room. I have the energy for that well, and they're your best friends.
Speaker 4:So there you go.
Speaker 2:I don't know, some days they are, some days they are not.
Speaker 4:Well, they're all cute and they sleep.
Speaker 2:They're all boys, so I got to deal with their egos because they're all really cool.
Speaker 4:So cool.
Speaker 2:You should see how cool they are. So cool. They're so cool and they're all mine. They all got their hair dyed yesterday. Really.
Speaker 4:What color Hair dye day Like bleach, like blonde tips or green.
Speaker 2:Oh, my gosh, and it was picture day today. So they all had gold chains on. I brought my jewelry.
Speaker 1:They are the coolest human beings.
Speaker 2:They're pretty cool, yeah, and I had them all young too. That's why I think if you're going to be a parent, do it young. I couldn't imagine being like it would be cool to be financially stable and have my house paid for already for 10 plus years and a car and all this stuff.
Speaker 4:Just dive right in, just do it.
Speaker 2:If you're going to have kids, just do it. Figure it out later.
Speaker 1:I'm glad I did. Even if James doesn't have kids for 10 more years, I'll still be a grandma by 50.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's plenty.
Speaker 1:And yeah.
Speaker 2:My youngest brother. He doesn't have any kids, Doesn't want them.
Speaker 1:He has cats.
Speaker 2:He likes cats.
Speaker 1:How old is he? 23. 23. It might change his name it might change his mind.
Speaker 4:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Dominic did not want kids.
Speaker 1:Don't change your mind. How old were you when you started?
Speaker 2:21. Yes, kids are old now and I look at him. I'm like man. When I was your age, I was stealing cigarettes. Yeah, I'm so thankful you're not stealing cigarettes, right yeah?
Speaker 1:Isn't it so great they went better than us. Oh, they could have went way worse.
Speaker 2:But no, my son. He just looks at people that smoke and drink and I'm like is there kids that do it in your school? No, I said, don't lie. I said I went to that school. He goes. No, dad, really Kids don't do that stuff anymore. I said yeah, I look at him like you sure he's like no, not my friends. I said they're welcome anytime. Yeah right Anytime, call them, I'll pick them up, whatever. They're welcome. Yeah, I said I can read them.
Speaker 1:So all these friends are going to have the kids and their friends and yeah, oh, it's a kid palooza, it's good.
Speaker 2:Fiance's got a lot of love in my house. You can tell when you show up, you pull in, you're like wow, there's like 15 different sports balls in the yard.
Speaker 1:This is a good place to be, that's beautiful, it's a good life. So great.
Speaker 2:And it's good to know, like when you didn't have a good life and now you have a good life, you're like, oh, I'm not going back to that, you can't make me you know. That's kind of how I look at it. You got my chance, my second chance at life and I'm just going to live it.
Speaker 2:A lot of people don't get a second chance. One and done, and I'm just grateful as can be. Yeah, how much does gratitude play a part? Oh, I'm so grateful. Every day I try to be the most grateful person that anybody can meet. I'm so grateful, and you know I just a bad thing happens to them. Like well, at least this didn't happen and I'm like wow, I sound like my grandma and my mother. And then I'm like well, they're pretty grateful people, so it could be worse.
Speaker 4:I'll be honest At the end of his drinking adventure probably the last year of that his gratitude level was pretty low.
Speaker 2:Negative.
Speaker 4:And I would say, well, just maybe, if you just think about one thing every day you're grateful for, he'd be like mom, there's nothing and I'd be like, well, i's nothing.
Speaker 4:And I'd be like, well, I mean, you make cute humans, let's just find one thing to think about that you get to be grateful for. And he'd be like mom, you don't get it. And I'd be like but you know what? Life is so great when you think of all the things that are great. You know, you wake up in the morning and he leaves for work super early in the day, and I'd be like but the sunrise is like my favorite time. And he'd be like mom, it's stupid, I'm on my way to work. And then I'd be like well, you're going to work, isn't that great? And he'd be like, yeah, but now he'd he'll send me pictures of the sunrise, or you know whatever. Or a deer went through his windshield once and he was like I am so grateful that I'm okay 120 days sober.
Speaker 2:Exactly On that day I took a picture of the Bram Y. I said 120 days sober, yeah. 30 seconds later, deer flew through my windshield Head first. Boom In my passenger seat. Blood dripping down my face Glass in my passenger seat. Blood dripping down my face glass in my eyeballs Fall in the parking lot. Call my friend went to work.
Speaker 1:In 10 seconds difference you could have not walked away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep, it was super weird, so a lot to be thankful for. Yeah.
Speaker 4:And all he had to do was change the windshield on that car, and then he drove it for another year.
Speaker 2:I hit so many deer in that car, oh my gosh. So many deer like four or five year in that car.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was a piece of crap he used it up yes, it was terrible, he used it up but it got me too he made a lot of money driving that car I did, I did, I did.
Speaker 4:It was pretty grateful for that ford forward torus but when you're down, it's like there's a shield over your brain that won't let you see the good it's just dark you know the wall you can't see through a wall you're just in the dark, yeah, and you just can't see the things was there anybody else besides your mom that was supportive and building you up in those moments?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, my brother. Yeah, we fist fought in the yard. He was coming to help. What was he doing? He was coming to help me with something, something Like get me in the house, or something.
Speaker 2:I was freaking out in the driveway or something and he's like, no, I'm getting in the house and I'm like, screw you. And I punched him in the face. He just kicked the crap out of me. And I woke up and I'm like, oh ow, why do I hurt so bad? Normally I don't wake up that's hurt. Normally it's just my head, and now it's like my head and my ribs and my and what was it? Somebody told me it was Kevin, the guy I bought the car from. He's like yeah, you were terrible, your brother was coming to save you and you punched him in the face and he just slammed you. I'm like, rightfully so. And then, you know, I was kind of like, yeah, I was embarrassed. You know like, oh, my little brother. He's like straight and narrow, he was straight and narrow.
Speaker 4:He runs like 20 miles a day and coming for a marathon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's just a good dude. And I'm like, man, I fought my brother last night. Like that's a pretty low. I'm like I gotta call him and say sorry. And then I'm like I got to call him and say sorry. And then I'm like, but how do you say sorry for the thousandth time? Yeah. Yeah, that gets old, I'm sorry, sorry. Yeah. But tomorrow I'm going to be sorry too, because I'm going to do the same thing today. Yeah, stupid Vicious circle.
Speaker 1:But he never gave up.
Speaker 2:No, no, I still talk to him every day. Yeah, very thankful for them, super thankful. That's what I'm always thankful for.
Speaker 4:I didn't realize my boys talked as much as they do. And then my daughter-in-law was like oh well, slade talks to Don like every day.
Speaker 2:And I was like hmm, Cute Nah, we call each other. We don't even text, we just call each other on the phone. Old school.
Speaker 1:And me and Tucker be like what's up, what's up, that's it a little brother thing, little brother, big brother.
Speaker 2:But I'm, I'm here. Yeah, you good. Yeah, all right. Good, I don't gotta worry about you that much. That's what I was telling my kids I'm like man, you guys need each other as much as you guys hate each other. You guys love each other. I know it. They're all totally different. I'm like okay, one of you needs to be a mechanic. Yeah, one of you needs to be a mechanic. Yeah, one of you needs to be a plumber.
Speaker 1:Doctor, one of you needs to be an electrician.
Speaker 4:Yeah, something.
Speaker 2:All of you need to be.
Speaker 4:You cannot be the same field, right? You can't.
Speaker 2:We're not going to start a business together.
Speaker 1:So we can all hook each other up with our skills 100%.
Speaker 2:I said none of you. My camper three months a year, someplace warm, something.
Speaker 1:I said three months a year june, july, august and I'm out of your hair yeah, I was always offended because my mom told us kids like I wish that you had all traveled, like all moved all over the country so that I could go live with you guys in these different states and say, hey, most parents want their kids to stay.
Speaker 2:No, sorry, mom, we didn't stay close she wanted us to go yeah, I did he did Tucker, did he left? He's gone. I was like you guys can go anywhere.
Speaker 4:Airplanes fly everywhere. I tried hard to push them all out. Yeah, as a matter of fact, at one point in time, when he was really not doing well, my mom lived in Tennessee. I put him on a bus and sent him to her because I was done I I couldn't she was done.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of boys, yeah, center. She was done with me.
Speaker 4:Yeah, done so I sent him to tennessee, and then he ended up in huntsville, alabama alabama straight.
Speaker 4:It's a dump a dump well, I was like dude, you need to go experience other things. You need to go. You need to go. Clearly, this town isn't working for you, this area isn't working for you. You need to go. You need to go Clearly, this town isn't working for you, this area isn't working for you. You need to go see, do other things, because this isn't. He was spiraling so bad and then he left and went there and it didn't improve.
Speaker 2:Worse Way worse.
Speaker 1:Well, it probably had to get worse, so it could get better at some point.
Speaker 2:Yep, that's why I got it Right. It's a good learning experience. Yeah, don't move to this side.
Speaker 1:Otherwise you would have just skated by just like normal, normal alcoholic.
Speaker 2:Probably still be drinking.
Speaker 1:You had to get bad, so you could climb up.
Speaker 2:I think I was like 19.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was like you're going on a Greyhound bus.
Speaker 2:Good luck to you, I went all the way across the country by myself, a couple bucks in my pocket and a pack of cigarettes and a backpack full of clothes. I was only telling the kids I'm like you could have had my life, dude. I said you're lucky that I went through all this stuff so you don't have to.
Speaker 4:Well, and it's really hard to lie to your parents when your parents have done all of the things. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I told them. I said, if you bring over buddies that are bad, I'll be like you're out of here. I can already see you, dude. I can see everything. Now. That's a curse and a blessing.
Speaker 1:Well, try not to be too judgy.
Speaker 2:I try not to. That's one thing I really try not to judge. People trip on their own shoe. I do. I will let you fall, but that will help you out. But also it's like that like people like how come you don't become a sponsor? I don't run that program, I run the program of suffering. Have you suffered enough? No, okay, well then you're gonna keep doing what you do until the day you realize I am. I do like that one line from the 12 steps sick and tired of being sick and tired like that? Like that's just. If you're sick and tired of the way your life is, change it, change it, get a different job, do anything yeah, sometimes, I mean, I think it's more than just willpower.
Speaker 1:I think think you need support, you need something.
Speaker 2:I tried smoking cigarettes. Replace it with something.
Speaker 4:When he was in high school he had to go spend a little treatment adventure for getting busted smoking weed in the school parking lot.
Speaker 2:I was on the school bus.
Speaker 4:Oh, I guess.
Speaker 2:Correct School bus.
Speaker 4:So he went to a facility and he didn't get to stay there. But then he tried another one and he didn't get to stay that one.
Speaker 2:No, you graduated the second one.
Speaker 4:And he gets in the vehicle and he's like ha lied my way through that one. And he gets in the vehicle and he's like ha lied my way through that. And I don't know, as a parent, if you can be any more mad and not tuck and roll them out the door while you're driving. I was so furious and we had to drive home from. Was it like Big.
Speaker 2:Lake Maple Lake.
Speaker 4:Maple Lake, I remember it and it was the longest drive ever. I couldn't wait to get out of the vehicle away from him. I was so upset. I was like you just spent 74 days in a facility and you get in my vehicle. We're not out of the parking lot yet and you're like like ha lied my way through that and I was just defeated?
Speaker 1:I bet it was what. What could you possibly do next?
Speaker 2:90 day program. I got out in 74. How did they?
Speaker 2:get my line, yeah yeah, because they gave me two packets. I looked at the alcohol packet super thin and the weed packet was super thick and I said I'm an alcoholic. I'm an alcoholic for sure, super bad alcoholic. And they're like okay, here you go, here's your packet. I'm like you guys all told the truth. It's like this thick, like I can do that in 74 days, did it see? That's the thing is. Like I was able to push myself to things I wanted to do. I wanted to get the heck out of there. It was all boys. I wanted nothing to do with that place and I just fibbed my way right through it. Now I'm like all right, we've got to be honest, everything's honesty.
Speaker 4:Now he's like brutal honest.
Speaker 2:Brutally.
Speaker 4:Like zero cares. It just is what it is. It's just there's no gray line in a lot of his ways. Now he's like I go to work, that's what I do because I need to take care of my family, and when the kids are giving him grief, he's like this is the right way to do this particular situation. This is the way we're going to do it. He's like we're just not.
Speaker 1:Truth is never really going to get you in trouble. It might make people mad at you, but at the end of the day you're like I told the truth, I didn't do anything mad. If you're mad at me for telling the truth, then it's on you.
Speaker 2:Be mad the, the people that don't want you to have that, yeah, so so I look at a lot of guys at work still drinking every day, still miserable as can be. They're like I don't know how you do this job and you're still drinking. I'm like, well, that's because I don't like waking up at 4 am and throwing up after I brush my teeth Weird, I said do you do that? Yeah, I do that sometimes. I said weird. How do I know that so weird? You're like. Well, how did you?
Speaker 2:quit. I said I just quit. They're like, yeah right, you did something. I'm like okay. I said, well, I tried that no drinking pill thing. Oh, yes, you did I did and I'm like this is stupid.
Speaker 1:It gave me like brainwaves, like my brain would go like, ooh, I'm like, wow, this is weird. Where'd you get that?
Speaker 2:from Detox yeah, the detox, yeah. And they're like try this, it works. If you drink, you're going to throw up.
Speaker 4:That was true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you will throw up.
Speaker 4:He tested that theory.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you will puke, yeah. So if anybody gets on that, pick one, because you will. Oh man, whoever invented that thing, there's repercussions to that. You've got to read the back of everything. Wow, yeah, it's for real, for real, yeah.
Speaker 1:How long does it last for after you take the pill that you can't drink? Oh yeah, real puke, I don't know.
Speaker 4:It's like one of those pills a day, yeah, so it's like a 24-hour thing.
Speaker 2:It gets rid of your cravings is what it's supposed to do, but when you're physically dependent, so it's not purposely supposed to make you puke.
Speaker 1:That just ends up being a.
Speaker 4:Like it intentionally makes you like have the worst hangover you've ever had. Because I walked in the house as after he had drank, after taking that pill, and he said, mom sweating and just writhing in bed and just it was, and I was like that looks terrible nobody tells you about the sweating, like when you are physically dependent on alcohol.
Speaker 2:Nobody tells you how bad you are going to sweat just sitting there idle dripping in sweat and I'd wake up in the middle of the night sweating and I'm like what am I supposed to do? Like I'm showering twice a day, everything I do makes me sweat, you go to the gym. I reek sweat so much yeah there's so many toxins in your body when you drink like that what else did it feel like detoxing?
Speaker 2:it was the most painful thing I've ever done. It was terrible, shaking so much and just the brink of throwing up for like two and a half weeks straight, just that feeling like it's right there For two and a half weeks and you still got to do everything. But yeah, the first one. They went to the hospital for those three days. It was like they had me on Ativan and all this stuff to make sure I didn't seize out and that was kind of when, I was like you should probably take my health a little more seriously.
Speaker 2:Yeah, health is a you need to take care of yourself, and I never thought like that was a thing. I just thought men did not take care of themselves. Now it's becoming a thing where men are starting to take care of themselves. In the industry, I mean, people do not take care of themselves. The old guys I work with they look terrible and they think they're going to retire and just live 20 more years.
Speaker 4:And realistically, they're not old.
Speaker 2:No, they're like 58.
Speaker 4:Or they're 48. Or they're 48 and they're not old. No, they're like 58. Or they're 48.
Speaker 2:Or they're 48 and they look like 75.
Speaker 4:And they're all hunched over and cranky.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. Hungover and smoking years what do you think?
Speaker 1:makes people give up like that.
Speaker 2:Oh, they lost hope a long time ago. You got to have hope. Hope is the biggest power. You lose hope. It's done. Everything's gone. You're gonna lose everything you ever worked for.
Speaker 4:You were pretty hopeless for a hopeless just a hopeless pitiful self-pity years and years and years for years.
Speaker 2:So long self-pity, why me, why me, why me? Now I'm like why not me? You know why can't. I do that I went on my first vacation, went for a week, just left, felt guilty. The whole time.
Speaker 4:I had the boys that week. We went camping for the first time.
Speaker 2:Called them all the time.
Speaker 1:What did you feel guilty about?
Speaker 2:Not being with the kids. Yeah, taking the time to myself.
Speaker 4:And I was like but they get me, yeah, right. I mean clearly we had a blast.
Speaker 2:I still talk about it. They're like so, dad, have you ever been up to Vermillion? I said I've lived here my whole life and never been once. Oh, you should go up there. I'm like, yeah, let me just get in the car.
Speaker 1:That's great. They're just booking trips for you.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they were just talking about it yesterday. So, instead of Christmas? What if we get a vacation? I'm like hey, hey, yeah. I'm like no, you guys are starting to realize how this works.
Speaker 1:Experiences over things, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like trips to Florida $160 in February we might be going to Florida. Amazing. Depends A lot of depends.
Speaker 1:So what would you say to people that are like, well, I wouldn't go through withdrawals if I quit drinking. I don't drink that much, I don't need. So you know, if they were listening to this and they're like, well, you know, I don't need to quit because I'm not that bad, what would you say, though?
Speaker 2:Your attitude will be bad. It. What would you say, though? Your attitude will be bad. It's like when you smoke cigarettes. You haven't had a cigarette for a couple hours and you get all short and snippy. That's withdrawing. Even that little bit is a withdrawal. Your attitude's changing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then when you get it, or you get crabby because the wine opener broke and you can't have it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Little things like that. That's all withdrawal. Yeah, like, how would I explain it? Like, yeah, like, cigarettes is like the closest thing, because as soon as you get one, you're fine, you're totally back to normal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I heard. Anytime you have a craving, it's because you're not living in the present moment, like now.
Speaker 2:you're seeing sunsets and sunrises and all these things and just taking everything more seriously gratitude more seriously. Yeah, I'm like a sponge, I just absorb life, now everything every little piece of it. I'm just like, oh cool, that's cool. And then people are like it's not cool. I'm like that's pretty cool, that's cool, you guys don't know cool.
Speaker 4:Well, and I think a lot of people look at you and they think, well, you're lucky.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, you know, you just you just are a lucky kind of person that can just do that. But I can. I can attest to the simple fact that zero part of this was luck and straight grit, because not one second of it was not a conscious effort, every single moment, to stay on that path, Like he has had to do every single thing the hardest way possible for the majority of his life, Like if you gave him three different options. Like you know, you could do it this way. It might be a little hard, but you're going to learn a lot. You get this way super easy, but you could do this way and it's going to be the hardest possible way ever. But and it's going to take you way longer but you'll get to the other end He'd be like yeah, I want that hard way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would be like you get the most out of it then.
Speaker 2:But I mean, I still want to choose the hardest all the time.
Speaker 4:But I know you do get the most out of that. I think so. Oh, but I don't know. I it just it was how he was wired, even as a little boy, like all the things had to be the hardest way, and as a mom I was like it doesn't have to be this hard, you know, like. But he, but in that he has built the grit, the you know, the strength, the you know he. It gives him power to live his days in the best way possible, where, if everything would have been handed to him or he would have taken the easy way on everything, that would not have been nah, that was not my cards that's definitely not your cards.
Speaker 2:No, no, still, it's still in that I'm a union concrete finisher, like I chose to do.
Speaker 2:That that was my calling and I'm really good at it and I failed art. I do cool things at work. Yeah, failed art. Yeah, bombed it. It's after lunch, we're all stoned. Yeah, yeah, when we got open lunch. Yeah, I wasn't gonna pass art, sorry guys, I barely made a dart, yeah, and uh, yeah. Now I look at it, I'm like dude, I'm an artist. Look at that. Oh, I did that. Yeah, it's cool, it's totally solid, totally Totally. Is it gratification, gratitude, gratitude. Like I look at it, like I was a sprinkler fitter. They make a pile of money. Couldn't do it, couldn't do it. When did you switch jobs? In 2000 and Cain was born.
Speaker 1:So while you were still drinking, oh yeah, for sure, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So, while you were still drinking, oh yeah, for sure. Oh yeah, Yep. Living on like $100 a month and a week unemployment and drinking $85 of that.
Speaker 1:But this job does, it contribute to your sobriety.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because you like it so much.
Speaker 2:Well, I had the same job when I was drinking. I was still a concrete finisher, but now I'm a sober concrete finisher. And everyone's just like I don't understand, and I'm like me either. Just is no idea. Just is Couldn't tell you why they're like well, how did you get sober? No idea, just did. I just woke up one day and I decided I would love to be sober and I said I'm going to give it a shot and if my life doesn't change, then I'll go back to drinking.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Having gone back to drinking since.
Speaker 1:Because you're curious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my life is way better, way better.
Speaker 1:That's so great. Yeah, I can't believe how full circle this gets. I love this so much. I asked you to pick some people to describe you and you didn't get to see the words. Well, actually, you did get to see some of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got to see mine, but I put them all together and put them into some themes, and the first one well, first of all, do you have any guesses of how people would have described you? No, you can't even do that part because you already saw what Bree said. But okay, the first one is drive. Multiple people said you're hardworking. They said you're resilient, tenacious, determined, unapologetic, commanding and motivated to keep moving forward.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:That's a big theme there.
Speaker 2:Cool.
Speaker 1:And then the second one is loyal, because you're loyal, dependable, devoted, protective and selfless.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, cool.
Speaker 1:The third is leader. You're knowledgeable, graceful and commanding, individualistic, and then also you're warm, appreciative, outgoing, caring and funny. But I asked AI to write a synopsis with all that one line, and this is where it all ties together. It said your grit wrapped in grace, strong enough to lead and soft enough to lift others up.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, that's cool. That's really cool. Makes me feel good. That's something I did not feel like for a long time. No, true that true. That felt like garbage oh man this is so long. I get like a little kick back every once in a while. Wow, we used to live like that gross gross.
Speaker 1:It's just so much gratitude. We used to live like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Gross. Yeah, gross, it's just so much gratitude, I mean for myself, I mean I am thankful that I did that.
Speaker 1:Because you have to be proud of yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think you should. I definitely like. If that's my ego, then that's fine.
Speaker 1:I'm okay with being egotistical in that way, Because I did that yeah, you did something that a lot of people have tried and can't do they die.
Speaker 2:They straight up die people. People die from addiction every day. I had one of my best friends died christmas eve. Yeah, and I was just like man, I'm not going to die.
Speaker 4:I talked to a young man not long ago. Well, and he's not young, he's in his 30s, but he had been to 28 treatment facilities 28. Well, between detox and treatments he had been to 28. And I was like, but he's like before. I finally was like, okay, really, you know, but 28. And it, being a human, that's it. It just takes one decision. And he's like I don't know. So, like Dom, going through the treatment facilities that he did when he was younger and then choosing to go to detox a couple of times, you know he made an active decision. You know he made an active decision every time to make, every time he went to something, even when he was younger.
Speaker 4:I said you're gaining tools to use in your future. If you choose not to use them yet, you still have them. They're still there. You know you are learning these pieces, whether you lie your way through treatment or not. And when I was talking to that guy, he said every one of those facilities, or every single thing that I did to get here to after number 28,. He said I picked up a tool, a resource, a mentor, a somebody that I could use. He says it just took me longer. And then I was sitting there pondering it all and I was like I'm so grateful he didn't have to do 28 things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, me too I mean.
Speaker 4:I don't know if I could have done that roller coaster as a mom. That would have been, you know. But everything we choose to grasp onto, you know, in any of those hard times to help us get through, whatever that is, they're all tools. And it's just fantastic.
Speaker 2:A lot of my friends keep me sober too. Like my old friends, they're still going to prison like soon and I'm like no, thank you yeah no, thank you.
Speaker 4:It's not a place for me. It's not how we're doing things.
Speaker 2:And don't call me, that will not answer Seriously. Come over when you're sober.
Speaker 1:Come over when you're sober, you can help them yeah.
Speaker 2:That's the way I look at it now. It's just if you want to ask me how I did it. I'm going to tell you I don't know, I just had to do it. I knew that was right.
Speaker 4:And you know. Today you say that, and yet at some point in your life you may come across a human being that's like can you just sit with me?
Speaker 2:Oh, I gladly will, gladly will See. Nobody's asked me, though it's because they don't want it. They don't want it yet.
Speaker 4:Someday somebody's going to ask me and I'll help them. Can't make anybody do anything. They don't want it. Yet Someday somebody's going to ask me and I'll help them. Can't make anybody do anything they don't want to do.
Speaker 2:That's how I look at it. You got to want it, I wanted it bad and I got it, and it's the greatest life. It is so good. Sometimes I feel like I'm high because I'm so sober.
Speaker 1:You're high on life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1:That's so sober you're high on life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah it's great, that's so great. So in the moment, so present. Present, that's what it is. I'm present, I'm not escaping nothing, just taking it in every day love and life that's so beautiful.
Speaker 1:Um, what's something that you're proud of when it comes to being a dad?
Speaker 2:besides for this sober journey being a dad um I like how tough my children are.
Speaker 1:They are tough they're so tough, that is cool and they're very polite.
Speaker 2:They don't listen, that's okay, we'll work on that. But they're so strong, like Like they are. I look at them and I'm like, wow, if I could be as half as strong as you guys were at your age, I probably wouldn't have been in the situation I was. They're just resilient.
Speaker 4:Like strong and being able to make the right decisions.
Speaker 2:Probably because I did Probably helped a little bit, you know, because if I was making the wrong decisions I'd probably still go down the wrong path. But I'll let them just be themselves. That's what I do. Just tell me if you you want to be like that and that's on you, I got. I always tell them, I got. You know, I'll count the rest of their years and I'll say I got that much time with you, the rest of the life's on you I think part of it too, is you are in awe at how great your kids are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're cool. They're so cool, they think they're not cool.
Speaker 1:And did you expect them to be like naughty, bad kids?
Speaker 2:because you were oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 1:And now they're so good, and that's what's so mind-blowing.
Speaker 2:They don't do anything, Nothing wrong.
Speaker 4:They do like you know the usual things are on. They got a little attitude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they got a little attitude issue and it's like whatever. Yeah, I was telling you you're coming for the title you want to come for the title. You better be prepared, yeah. And then they're like nah, whatever, dad, yeah, they're smart, they're so smart, all of them so smart. I just can't believe how smart they are. I always thought I wasn't smart. Now that I get older, I'm like man, the things you can tell yourself that you actually are. So, weird. The brain's a weird thing.
Speaker 1:It is so when your grandkids are your age, what is something that you do right now that you hope that they do? Hmm.
Speaker 2:I hope. I hope they're nice to people. That's what I hope, that's all I care about is just that they're nice to people. I mean, you know, you can have your time, your moments, but, like, all in all, I just want them to be good people. That's it, that's all I ask for you don't have to be a millionaire.
Speaker 2:You can be dead people. That's it. That's all I ask for. You don't have to be a millionaire. You can be dead broke. I don't care, as long as you're a nice person. That's literally all I care about.
Speaker 1:And what do you do that you hope that they don't do when they're your age?
Speaker 2:Don't drink.
Speaker 1:Anything that you still do right now, that one cigar a day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't have, don't drink none of that stuff. It's not cool. I just do one cigar a day because it just reminds me, like it gives me that. Can I quit it? Yes, do I want it? Sure, you know I like. It's my one thing I dabble with.
Speaker 1:That's the only it's not gonna be a gateway.
Speaker 2:No, no way okay nope, no way, in no way. I will never touch this stuff again. I I could go in a bar 2am and just go look around and go oh, this looks like it sucks. Thank you, no, no thanks, I'll pick you up.
Speaker 1:But if you go through that year, year and a half, without it, then it just becomes almost repulsive.
Speaker 2:It's disgusting. It's disgusting. I don't think it's fun, I don't think it's cool. I wish I wouldn't have done it, kind of.
Speaker 1:I mean, like you said, it'd be nice to go out for a couple beers. I mean, I still do get sad like that. I can't be somebody that drinks.
Speaker 2:I do that too. I'm like dang but I don't like, but that doesn't mean if there's a glass sitting there that I want to drink it and I'm like no, no, like company christmas, everyone's drinking. Couldn't care less. Yeah, all I know for like, for sure, I'm not getting a dui on the way home, right, this is cool, right I'm gonna wake up feeling so good. Tomorrow I'm gonna get all my rum sleep yeah, yeah, I could literally drive wherever I want right now yeah, freedom, freedom, freedom, yeah freedom.
Speaker 2:Freedom, freedom, freedom. That's what it is. Freedom, yeah, it's releasing all the crutches. Yeah, it's amazing how fast it can take you though, so fast. Go from like oh, I just have a six-pack, oh, a 12-pack, I'll just get a bottle with that six-pack, because at least I'm not drinking a 12-pack, I'm going gonna get the party bucket.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna get a 175 because it's cheaper. That's how it's easy to justify it. Super easy. It's weird. That's what it is. It's a weird life, really weird, but it's a good one good, yeah, anything else you want to share. No, no, that's it.
Speaker 1:Anything, kim, any last words.
Speaker 4:Well, I think one thing that we talked about a little bit with faith and all those things, my grandma and my mom both were very faithful spiritual human beings. Mom, both were very faithful spiritual human beings and they prayed over this kid but like endlessly for all the years. But grandma would walk up and down the hallway of her little single wide trailer and say prayers and tap all the pictures on the fridge and I know the blanket of prayers, long before all of the things occurred, was already big. You know that that path was already there.
Speaker 4:And I think when you, you know, show your family your spiritual side and make that known, you're giving them tools to use going forward. And that's like when Dominic spent time with Grandma Viv it was she would give him all of the, all of the spiritual tools that she had in her pockets because it was so important for her. And I just think you know that's just such a beautiful way to show your family how much you love them is to pray for them and to send them positive energy and to tell them that you love them. And I tell them my kids every day. I love you every day, it doesn't matter what kind of crap you're going through. I love you every single day and I'll tell the grandsons when I'm leaving I love every day and then the youngest one and his too coolness.
Speaker 2:He's like bye, sweetheart love you babe, that's what he tells my fiance every time love you. I'll say love you, babe. Love you babe. Every time she nicknamed him too cool koopy, because he is way too cool for its own good.
Speaker 4:But I think that when you make that such a big piece in your life, they naturally know that it's there. And the other thing I was thinking about when Dominic was in his heaviest drinking time. He says he missed a lot and our family isn't real traditional in the fact that we do, you know, like they don't have to be at my house on Christmas morning and we don't do things. We don't do things on holidays. We do family breakfast and we celebrate four, six, eight times a year.
Speaker 2:And we get together.
Speaker 4:We always get together, mostly in the morning, so I get everybody all fresh and they're all sweet. But dom didn't do family breakfast for years because it was morning and he was usually hungover it was not getting up and it wasn't an option.
Speaker 4:So now when I say, do you guys want to do family breakfast? It's a, it's a yes across the board, and to watch my three sons sit at the table and share their you know work day and their kids and you know this and that and the other thing, you know travel stories and and all the things, and to watch them intermingle like that. I missed that for years because he wasn't there Stuck, you know.
Speaker 1:So and now you take it so seriously because you missed out. So again it's like it's all happening.
Speaker 4:for this reason, yeah, and it just makes my heart feel bigger all the time.
Speaker 1:I remember when you told me that you do that and I think that's so smart so that your sons' wives aren't all trying to figure out how to be with their family on Christmas and. Christmas Eve and Thanksgiving and all the things. So I think that was really bold, the great move that you made.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it because I don't care to go anywhere.
Speaker 4:Well, that chaos is there.
Speaker 2:Everyone kids can go to their other places see you bye, and me and my fiance, we just go ah, and family breakfast is great.
Speaker 1:It's super chill, it's super easy. And everybody gets biscuits and gravy and whatever pressure.
Speaker 4:Biscuits and gravy and whatever. And it's always biscuits and gravy and whatever. But you know we're all good and everybody's it's morning.
Speaker 2:There's no rush. There's no rush Like the Christmas rush. You got to go. It's Christmas and everyone's freaking out in the morning. And why?
Speaker 1:The one Christmas of the year.
Speaker 2:We got peaches.
Speaker 1:This is Easter, like everything, has to look great and be memorable for the kids and blah blah. I'm like man. This is breakfast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're just going to breakfast. You want to wear sweaties? Be my guest.
Speaker 4:I don't care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I couldn't care less.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, and it allows them to be who they are.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:That up and think I have to be this person, which I think he did every time he showed up. He thought I have to be this person. And now he gets to show up as Dom, and he doesn't have to pretend to be anything. He's not and it's watching all of them. He's giving his children a view of. My dad is just my dad. He's just my dad and he doesn't have to pretend to be anybody. He's not this dad when he's here and this dad when he's here. He's just my dad.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't share a part which allows them to be just who they are, because that's what they're watching and growing up with, so it's precious.
Speaker 2:No, this is me straight up. This is, I don't know, one of the most outgoing things I've ever done. I've never shared anything. I'm very quiet by myself. I don't do social media nothing. So if anybody needs help getting sober, they'll have to give them my number, because that's all I got is a phone number.
Speaker 1:Hit me up, I will get you Dom's number 100%.
Speaker 4:But Dom doesn't do drama, so you're not gonna bring in drama because it's not gonna. No.
Speaker 2:Cut off.
Speaker 4:He's gonna be like dude.
Speaker 1:I don't do drama Next time. Like we can talk, I can help you, but if you're calling me in the middle of the night to pick you, you out.
Speaker 2:But once, once I'll give you a chance, but that's it yeah, perfect, fair it's a good life.
Speaker 1:I'll enjoy it well, thanks so much for coming on, and thanks for having a story. It's really beautiful thank you thank you, thanks for having us, yeah cool.