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Sunshine, Self Trust & Being Unshakable

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A racing heart in tenth grade sent Taylor to the ER; the diagnosis—panic, not a heart attack—changed everything. From that moment forward, therapy became a lifeline and language became medicine. We sit down with Taylor to chart her path from party nights to purpose mornings, how pregnancy flipped a switch on old habits, and why co‑parenting demands more restraint and grace than any self‑help book ever prepares you for.

We dig into the details that actually move the needle: how swapping “I’m sorry” for “I’m sorry to hear that” rewires empathy without self‑blame, why intermittent “good weeks” can hide controlling dynamics, and what it looks like to guard your spark while dating as a mom. Taylor shares the messy middle of recovery—nutrition labeling that finally made sense, long walks that softened anxiety, golf and soon pickleball as healthier comforts, and the honest truth about the one habit still hanging on: cigarettes. Her definition of success is refreshingly practical—freedom, balance, and a peaceful home that lets her take spontaneous trips with her son—backed by a career path in property assessment, appraising, and a real estate license in motion.

If you’ve ever wondered how to rebuild after anxiety, stress eating, or a relationship that eroded your confidence, this conversation offers clear, grounded steps and the courage to use them. We also tee up a future panel on narcissistic relationships—women and men—because the story is bigger than stereotypes. Listen, reflect, and tell us what shift you’re making this week. If the show resonates, follow, share with a friend who needs it, and leave a quick review so more people can find conversations that help them breathe easier.


0:00 Meet Taylor And A Happy Song

0:32 First Panic Attack And Therapy Begins

3:43 Finding Words And Rewriting Apologies

6:39 Motherhood, Identity, And Co‑Parenting

12:24 Party Years, Red Flags, And Leaving

16:06 Dating In 2025 And Guarding Self‑Worth

18:18 Nutrition, Movement, And Stress Eating

20:54 On Narcissistic Partners And Recovery

23:19 Best‑Friend Loyalty And Growing Up

25:20 Rapid Fire: Would You Rather

28:04 Habits, Quitting Nicotine, And Pickleball

30:20 Success, Career Moves, And Next Steps

SPEAKER_02:

Welcome to Supernaut where we explore the inner and outer dimensions of the self. Today Taylor Sunsbold is joining us. I'm so excited because I think she's like the coolest girl ever since I met her at Cavs when we worked together. I've idolized her. One time someone even said that she reminded them of me and I was so happy and I still think about it.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_02:

Thank you for me. Yeah, I asked you to pick a song for us to listen to. What song did you pick? I picked Sunshine by Natasha Buddingfield, and it just makes me happy. Yeah, it is a really happy song. I haven't heard it for a long time.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, so let's get into your anxiety first. Let's just start there. Like, when did it start? Um when did you realize that it was more than just normal day-to-day experiences? Like it was more than the average person.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So in high school, I believe I was in 10th grade. Um, I was actually sitting in class and I felt like I was like having a heart attack. And I'm like, oh well, this is not normal. Um, so I had called my mom and kind of told her what was happening, and she actually brought me into the ER. And they're like, You're not having a heart attack, you know, we think it may be a panic attack. And um, so from then on it kind of worsened throughout that, just like being really anxious, kind of down in the dumps, and um so some I think like a year went on, and still feeling this way, kind of stuck, and my mom was like, Well, maybe we should try therapy, you know. So she actually got me a really good therapist in St. Paul, and um I went to him for probably two years, and then when I went to college, he actually found someone over there that I um seen. So I've gone to therapy for years now, and that has really helped.

SPEAKER_02:

Tenth grade is such a hard time in general, yeah, that must have yeah, really sucked. Um, what did you ever figure out what was leading up to it? Was there anything going on in your life that to just like all of a sudden have that strong of a reaction?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I don't remember anything at the time. Um, I do remember just feeling like like I didn't fit in or um just kind of struggling with, you know, friendships maybe at the time, and I don't know, just not fitting in, I guess. Wondering where your place is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

How did your family respond uh otherwise? It sounds like your mom was really helping you right away.

SPEAKER_03:

She was so helpful. She, like I said, got me in right away and was supportive. She's still so supportive of therapy, and we're both big advocates for going to therapy. So you have the same therapist you've had for a while? No, I actually don't. So he ended up passing away like two years ago, and I had stopped going to him when I went to college, and then I um found a therapist in Cambridge that I go to now. That yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Awesome. Um, so let's say you could inception something. You've seen that movie? No. Inception. So it's where you put a thought into a brain. What would you inception into your high school brain?

SPEAKER_03:

I think just telling myself like this will pass and you'll be okay. Because I just thought, and I think at the time too, mental health was not talked about. Like, I didn't want to talk to anyone about it really. I didn't share a lot of my feelings with anyone, obviously, besides my mom and my therapist. But I was just so scared at the time, like, what, why me and why am I going through this? Kind of. So I just think telling myself, like, you're gonna be okay. There is help out there.

SPEAKER_02:

That was one of my first tattoos. This too shall pass. Oh, I love that. Yeah. And so now it's manageable with therapy and yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I go if it gets like really bad, I will go like weekly, but now it's just whenever like I can call them and get in and see him.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Cool. So you said your son saved your life.

SPEAKER_03:

What was happening in your world at that time? So um, kind of going back to like when we worked together and like the drinking days, and I feel like I was still partying all the time, and everyone around me, like a lot of my friends, were like getting married and buying houses, and I was just kind of stuck in this like cycle of going out all the time and being the life of the party, and so I had found out I was pregnant, and it was just like a it just clicked. I was like, okay, this is getting old, you know, going out every weekend and just not having a real like purpose in life, I think. So yeah, found out I was pregnant and yeah, changed everything.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and kids just teach us so much. The biggest thing I remember that will stick with me always that James taught me is um, I don't know how old he was, maybe five, maybe seven. But he came home from school and was like something like, Oh, I I fell on the playground and scratched my knee. Yeah. And I said, Oh, I'm sorry. And he looked at me and he was like, Why would you be sorry? Yeah. And that hit me so hard. Like, I was like, Why do we say that? So ever since then, I've been saying, I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah. Or saying it some other way because I think it's so important how we say words, right? And talking to ourselves like that too. Like, what do we have to be sorry about, you know? Um, the only downfall with that is then it really annoys you when you're around those people that over-apologize because you're and you'll be like, stop. Like, you don't need to apologize, but you know those people, and it's usually drunk people. Yeah. But it's also like, stop apologizing. Yeah. You know? Yeah, you didn't do anything wrong. Yeah. But I just remember James just growing up, like all the time he just taught me so many things.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, Cash is four, and I just feel like he I learned something new every day. Like, he's just so he's so sweet.

SPEAKER_02:

Isn't it amazing? Yeah.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Maybe, maybe we'll change Veda's mind.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh, what's your favorite things about Cash? Oh my goodness, there's so many. I love that. So he's really into cooking right now. Like, he is into like the play food, and he'll just like cook for me all the time, and delivery is like his new favorite thing. So he'll like make a pizza and deliver it to me. Um, I don't know, he's just so sweet. He's like my best friend. Um, we obviously hang out all the time, and yeah, it's great.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. You said you wanted to talk about becoming a mom and having a baby doesn't just make you a mom. No. Was there a moment where you were like, oh, I am a mom and I'm good at this? And yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I think too, I get caught up in like being a mom and like realizing I'm still like a girl in her 20s that is learning too. And so I just have to keep telling myself, like, and I always I want to be perfect, I want to be the best mom I can, and you know.

SPEAKER_02:

So for sure. It's tough. Um, and co-parenting, you said we could talk about that. How's that going?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, it obviously has its up ups and downs. Um, so we do cash goes with his dad every other weekend and then a night during the week, too. Um, it's been rocky, but I think we're finally starting to figure it out. It's been a year now, so it's super tough.

SPEAKER_02:

Like with James, I remember his dad, he didn't ever really go to his dad's, but when his dad would come stay with us to spend time with him, like he'd feed him all this junk food, and that was like my number one thing of like, yeah. I remember when um I started dating a guy and James was five, and the guy asked James, what's your favorite foods? And James was like, green peppers, frozen blueberries, and frozen peas, or something like that. And he was just like, looked at me like, Who are you? And I'm like, Yeah, I don't let him eat junk food. But then when he started like watching more TV and he's like, What are Cheetos? Like, and actually, speaking of Cheetos, one time we took a road trip back from California, we were moving back, and James was super sick, and so you know, when they're sick, they're like, don't talk that much. So then after he wasn't sick, like two days of sick, and then like on fire, like so much energy, but we're like stuck in a car, and that's where I was pulling over at every gas station, like just buying Cheetos and like junk food to feed him, so he would stop talking. Like, sorry, James, but you literally would not stop. And Kelsey, who rode back with me, looked over to me and she was like, I get why you take naps now in the middle of parties. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Like kids are and it's hard, like um with the co-parent thing too, is getting him back on a routine. Because I feel like when he goes to his dad's, it's like no naps and going to bed at midnight. And so then I get him back on Sunday night, and it's like, no, well, you know, you gotta get up for daycare, mom's gotta go to work, so we gotta get back in that routine. That's probably been the hardest part of it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and it'll be hard when he gets older and starts asking questions and like, do you have a strategy for like how you're going to talk about his dad?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I I haven't really thought that far ahead. Um at first he was kind of like, Well, why aren't you coming with to dad's? Or because I lived there for four years too, or can you come with like and I was going there um during the week on Wednesdays? I was going there with him because he wanted me to come with, but that got to like a point where it was giving, you know, his dad the wrong idea. And so I was like, well, you know, mommy's not gonna go and anymore, and so yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Well, I mean, just to prepare you, I mean, I think there will be many times when you want to say things, yeah, but I think it's important to not because they are half that person, so anything you say about that person, they are going to project onto themselves no matter how you say it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

So yeah, lots still to come up. What else was I gonna say about that? I don't know, but um, and then you said you regretted dropping out of school and joining club volleyball.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, I do regret that so much. Okay, so I went to South, and my best friend also went. Um, I actually knew quite a lot of people from high school that went, so I was really comfortable with going, and I got there, and um there was I was in a relationship at the time with someone, and I didn't even go to like the freshman orientation or any of that. Like, why not? I don't know why. I could have met so many people, and then you were just too cool.

SPEAKER_02:

I know, I was just like, I just can't follow you guys.

SPEAKER_03:

And then there was one day where they had like all the clubs you could sign up for, and even my best friend's like, you should sign up for this, like you'd love it, and I never did, and I just regret that so much. I could have, I don't know, it would have been a blast. And I only stayed at Stout for a year and then came back home. Why'd you come home? I don't know. I just felt like I didn't know what I wanted to do still, and I'm like, I'm just wasting my time here. Um, although it was it was a blast when I was there, and I met um quite a lot of people. I just came home and I still regret that to this day. At the time I thought it was a good idea, like move back home and then figure out what I want to do, but I don't think it was the best idea.

SPEAKER_02:

But now looking back, does it feel like you learned a lot from it? Like turned into wisdom now because you're like, okay, don't quit the things. Yes. It's just too bad that now we can't teach that to our kids because we're gonna be like, hey, this happened to me, like so that it doesn't have to happen to you. But they're gonna be like, No, I'm still gonna do that.

SPEAKER_03:

My thing I need to learn myself, but it's so frustrating. Yeah. Because even my mom was like, Are you sure you want to do this? And I just did it.

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh-huh. Um, so yeah, drinking days, we did that a lot. We did.

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, so yeah, I was gonna ask, what's the point where you thought, okay, this isn't what I want anymore? But basically, the second you found out you were pregnant.

SPEAKER_03:

No, I think it was before that. So what year did we start working at Kevs? Was it like 2018? 2015, I think is when they opened. Okay. So maybe I started a little later. But yeah, I probably it was probably like two years of just going out all the time. And I think it just hit me like this is not what I want to do anymore. And I had met um Cash's dad around it was COVID year, and so then I kind of slowed down on all that.

SPEAKER_02:

And did he seem like the answer? Like, oh, this older guy who's got his stuff together, and we're gonna like grow together, and because everyone around me will stay home, you know, getting married and having kids, and I'm like, that's like I want that.

SPEAKER_03:

And yeah, do you think maybe you uh um like miss some red flags because of that? Yes, I think I was blind to a lot at the beginning. Um, and then I was with him for yeah, four years, so there are some things at the beginning I could have been like, okay, this I think I rushed into it for sure.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I feel like both of us have dated a lot of like really stupid guys. Yeah. I was looking back through our Snapchats, and like some things that I said were like so outrageously ridiculous. I haven't listened to it. It's so funny. I mean, it brought back some memories. I was like, oh wow, I was going through that. Yeah. Wow. But um, yeah, I mean, no judgment because I have dated the worst people, but like guys that you would bring in, I'd just be like, no, Taylor. Like they feel like I was too cocky or and you know it was just a big party scene too.

SPEAKER_03:

Like everyone I was I was with, we just partied together. It wasn't ever like we did anything, like went hiking or went on trips or anything like that. We were just like, that was more on our radar at all. It was just like, why?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, what do you miss about the party days though? Because I mean, it'd be silly and not smart to deny that it was fun. Oh, it was fun. Yeah, so like what do you miss the most?

SPEAKER_03:

Jeez, I don't know. Probably just like the late night.

SPEAKER_02:

I really miss like the field party like days, you know, even before you're like in high school or like yeah, before 21 where it's like bad.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, like summer 16 was probably, I know a lot of my friends can relate to this. Like, we were in like random fields, like yeah, we don't even know where or whose par house it was.

SPEAKER_02:

That meme that I see once in a while that's like, oh, when your parents think you're home and bed, but you're like passed out in a field somewhere. It's like, how did my parents literally not know?

SPEAKER_03:

I think my mom knew every time, but she was just like, be safe, have fun, you know.

SPEAKER_02:

But she knew you had to live.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

My parents were just like tired. They're like, okay, okay, whatever. I'm not gonna argue with you. Yeah. So what's dating in 2025 like? Oh, it's not great.

SPEAKER_03:

I've gone on a couple dates, um, and they just haven't been great. So I just stopped. Just gonna do me for a while. Because yeah, it's been a year, and I think I went on three dates. And just not a lot, yeah. Like, what? I don't know. Maybe I need to like move out of state or something. No, I can't do that, but yeah, it's been rough. What are you looking for in a guy? I just want that like emotional connection. Like, I don't think I've had that in a very long time. Like, I just want to be valued and heard. Um, and now that I have like over this past year, I've done so much growing and like have gained this like self-worth and confidence, and I know what I want. So I just yeah, I don't want to lose that again because I lost my spark um this 2024. Was I'm like, I need this spark back.

SPEAKER_02:

And and it is scary because like, yeah, when you've came so far, and then it's like, am I gonna lose that? Yeah, and get in the same situation.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And especially having Cash Man too now that I don't wanna bring anyone around until I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. After when James was five to ten, I was in a relationship, and then when we broke up, it was so hard on him that that's where I was like, I'm not gonna date again until he graduates because I don't want to put him through that. No, it's totally. Obviously you gotta be careful. Yeah. So what have you done in the last year to to grow? What's like been some of the biggest things that have brought your spark back?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, so I when I in 2023, when I lost my spark, I had gained a lot of weight um and just was super sad all the time. I didn't really go out and do much. And I met with a nutritionist and kind of learned like all about what I'm supposed to be eating and what's in like what I was eating. Um, so just like doing that and um like the really bad additives and stuff and what to look for and ingredients. Um so doing that, working out, walking has been huge for me. And yeah, um just finding myself again and picking up some new hobbies. I started golfing a lot, which is really fun. I want to try pickleball. Have you? I haven't yet. Yeah. We should have done it like that.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, that'd be fun. But yeah. Um, yeah, you said you wanted to talk about stress eating, like what would bring on the stress eating.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, just my past relationship I was in. Um at the time we kind of were like roommates in a way, and it was just for that last year when I was kind of holding on, and I just turned to food, and that's like the only thing that was like comforting for me. I didn't really have many people to talk to at the time or didn't know what to do, so that's when I was like, I need to meet with someone who can help me out on this.

SPEAKER_02:

Why do you think you were holding on to the relationship?

SPEAKER_03:

I think for cash and um I don't know, I was just hanging on to hoping that it would change, I guess. Um because it would change for like a week that you know things would be okay, and then it would go downhill from there. So that's how it works with narcissists. It's tough. Um and I was so blind to it too for that first, you know, two to three years, and then that last year, I'm like, no, this is not normal. Like, you don't want to live this way.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. So we said we wouldn't talk too much about uh narcissists this time, but we want to get a couple other people on. Yeah. Like Shannon, I know wants to come on and talk about it. And then so we're looking for a man to join us too who's been in a narcissist relationship with a woman. Yeah. Because I don't want it to be like a man hating thing. So anybody hit me up. Yeah. We'll we'll do a fun like four or five people just kind of Sitting around because I don't think people know about it. Like I was in a two-year one, and until it was over, I didn't even think about it. I think I Googled like three times. Like, I did too. Is he a narcissist? But like then I saw a TikTok after he had moved out, and I was like, Oh, yeah. Oh, that's what that was. Oh, that's what that was. Oh my god. Oh my god. Other people are dealing with that? Oh my God. And then my first thought is like, I'm so lucky that I was able to get away and that I didn't have kids with this person. But like there's so many people out there that don't.

SPEAKER_03:

And yeah, those videos kept coming on like my for you page, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I went through the exact same thing.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. And it just makes you feel so not alone, but so broken at the same time of like that this is a systematic plan from this person. Yeah. To do this to me, to like sabotage my life and control me. Yeah. Like super, super tough to get over. So I'm glad that you're feeling so good. Yeah. Already now.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, it probably doesn't feel like already at this point, but it's been a good year though of growing and focusing on myself and yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Good.

SPEAKER_03:

And you said you want to talk about your best friend. Yes. She has helped me through literally everything. So we've been friends since well, we were friends since second grade, but in first grade, we actually weren't friends, so I gotta tell you a funny story. We it was the first day of school, and we had we wore the same outfit but like a different colored tank top, and she was like on the playground, and I was like walked up to her and she said something like nice outfit or whatever. She said it like that. Nice outfit. I didn't plan this. Yeah, ever since second grade, she's just been my partner in crime. She's been with me through it all.

SPEAKER_02:

And I can't picture her saying anything bitchy, though.

SPEAKER_03:

Like, no, she wouldn't ever, but it was just like that little like nice outfit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh my gosh, that's so funny.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And uh yeah, we've done trips together, and like I said, she went to Sout too, so um helped me through that year. She's been great, and honestly, even with my um kind of relationships throughout the years, she's been the one that's like, this is not normal, like you gotta leave. And she would stay by my side, but kind of like from a distance at times too.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, because sometimes I would be like, Well, I'm gonna give it another chance, or but yeah, and she's been in this like long, stable relationship. Like, do you get jealous or mad?

SPEAKER_03:

I'm like, I've been the third wheel to them for like since ninth grade or whenever they started.

SPEAKER_02:

But that's me and Brad and Katie Joel. Like, I'm like, hey Brad, what movie are we watching this weekend?

SPEAKER_03:

At college one time. Um, Steph was she went to class one day, and me and Derek are just like um in bed watching friends together. Like, she came home, she's like, What have you guys done today? Like, nothing just hung out. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

That sounded great. Was she uh helpful in 10th grade too when you were going through the panic attack?

SPEAKER_03:

I honestly didn't talk a lot about what I was going through with anybody besides my mom then, just because I was so scared.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. So yeah, I mean that's kind of the point here is to like try and talk about it more and make it not so yeah, scary.

SPEAKER_03:

I know I feel like a lot of people struggle with it and just never talk about it and let it out.

SPEAKER_02:

Cause like people think, oh, it's like getting worse, but all the people that just didn't deal with it, that like dealt with it in a different way. Yeah. Forever. Mm-hmm. Okay, so when Miranda came on the other podcast, I asked you for some would you rather questions. Oh great. And the two that you told me, or two of the ones you told me to ask her, I figured I'd ask you because you've probably at least kind of thought about them. Uh so would you rather be stuck in a romantic comedy with your worst enemy or in a horror movie with your best friend? Oh.

SPEAKER_03:

I'd say a horror movie with my best friend. Really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

I can't watch horror movies.

SPEAKER_03:

I can't either, but the romantic Yeah, with your enemy. That would be tough.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

unknown:

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, especially your best friend, because you guys are so close and know each other so well. You can figure it out.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, we'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_02:

You'll win. Yeah. Yeah. Uh would you rather have to always say everything that pops in your head or never be able to say what you feel?

SPEAKER_03:

Always say what pops in my head.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Seems authentic. Yeah. Okay, this or that. New places or new people? New people. Cry laughing or laugh crying? Cry laughing. Logic first or gut first?

SPEAKER_03:

That's tough.

SPEAKER_02:

It's tough because it's like, what do I want to do first versus what I do first?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Gut. Like it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, look put together or feel put together, but you can never be both. That one's super hard. Okay, so look put together or feel put together. You know when you just feel put together? Yeah. But you actually but to know that you don't look, oh my gosh, that'd be hard. But you feel put together. Yeah, but you feel it. I think I would rather feel put together. Yeah. Um, hear mom 47 times or hear suspicious silence.

SPEAKER_03:

Mom. You know if a toddler's quiet for more than like five minutes, they're not up to anything good.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, you're gonna walk into a disaster. Yeah. A partner who's too clingy or too mysterious.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, that's tough for me, too. Too clingy. I can deal with that. I kind of want clingy. Right. You don't want someone that's mysterious because then yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Super tough. Inner peace or outer adventure? Inner peace.

SPEAKER_03:

For sure.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, so now I'm gonna get into how people see you. So I asked you to give me the names and numbers of people I could reach out to and ask to describe you.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep.

SPEAKER_02:

And then I put them into themes of how you're perceived. Do you have any guesses? You won't have to guess if you don't want to.

SPEAKER_03:

On or no, I give you the people that ask. Um no, I'm just ready to hear. Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm excited. Okay, so the first one is unshakable, because three people said you're resilient, and they said you're headstrong, determined, brave, adaptable, uncomplaining, independent, driven, and self-improving.

SPEAKER_03:

Wow.

SPEAKER_02:

And then compassionate, another huge one. Because two people said caring, two people said empathetic, warm-hearted, amicable, sincere, likable, altruist, selfish, receptive, aware, and a worrier. Which I put worrier in there because I think you worry probably because you care.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I worry a lot.

SPEAKER_02:

And third is alluring. Because I said beautiful, influential, insatiable, cute, adventurous, infectious, and charismatic.

SPEAKER_03:

Mm-hmm. I love that.

SPEAKER_02:

And then humorous, because everybody said you're hilarious and funny and fun and cool. And then authentic. So that's why I wasn't surprised about your answer about that you would say everything over not say anything at all, because yeah, you're honest, direct, unbiased, relatable, aware. And then AI and I did a synopsis, and we said, you're not just living life, you're exploring it, creating it, and pushing towards something bigger.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_02:

And somebody else described you as a great mom, but that didn't fit in any of the characters. But yeah, I'm sure everybody sees you as a great mom. What do you do right now that you hope your grandkids do when they're your age?

SPEAKER_03:

What do I do right now? Um I think just being very caring and understanding of other people and what they're going through. I think that's huge.

SPEAKER_02:

Like put yourself in their shoes.

SPEAKER_03:

You never know what someone's going through.

SPEAKER_02:

So true. Is that a lesson you had to like learn the hard way? Did you all were you always that way? Where you could understand people?

SPEAKER_03:

I don't think so. Like in high school, I don't think I was that way. I think you know, just a couple years ago I learned that just with the stuff I was going through.

SPEAKER_02:

And yeah, maybe that's why we go through that stuff so we can understand other people. What do you do right now that you hope your grandkids don't do? Do you have any bad habits?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I do. So I still smoke cigarettes, and that's probably my worst habit. That's one thing I cannot seem to stop.

SPEAKER_02:

Have you like you haven't switched over to vapes though?

SPEAKER_03:

No.

SPEAKER_02:

That's probably better though, because vapes you can do inside.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02:

So like keep yeah, you would do it more. And I think you get addicted to like the fruity flavors, and it's like just so fun, and you can bring it anywhere. But then you're like sneaking in. Yeah, this isn't from experience. Just kidding. You're like sneaking in, going to the bathroom more often so you can hit it, you know. Like, don't even go there. Never try it, never get one. No.

SPEAKER_03:

I quit while I was pregnant, and then I started probably when Cash was well, you were still a baby, so I would say like six months after that. I don't like do it in the car with him or anything. I just get like, and I usually don't smoke like throughout the day. I try not to at work. It's more of like when I get home at night on the weekends. So I just need to kick it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Well, you're gonna have to replace it with something, I think. You know, but it's like what? I don't with you know, not food. Food, yeah. I feel like I would just be snacking more then. I know. But some pickleball. We'll just like become pickleball fans. Yeah, let's be let's become champs. Seriously, like let's make a hardcore schedule. Like we have to go every night. There won't be any time for because that you can pickleball. I think there's at the school they do indoor up in the in the Wachalia center, maybe Juno Veda?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, we'll have to get the schedule. Yes, let's do it. Well, anything else? Can we cover everything? You were so open and willing to talk about so much. You kept throwing ideas at me. Oh, I forgot this career-wise. What does success mean to you?

SPEAKER_03:

I think success for me is definitely having like that um freedom and balance of like work and having fun and being like comfortable where I can, you know, take cash and I on whatever trip we want to go on. And it's not all about the money for me, but it's just like building a peaceful home for him too. And yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

What do you do right now?

SPEAKER_03:

I am a property tax assessor for the county, and then I also have my appraiser trainee license, so I work under my mom for that. That's great. And then I'm working on getting my real estate license too.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow, that's super exciting.

SPEAKER_03:

You'll be so good at that. I know I'm nervous but excited.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Um, so how has that evolved? Like, when did you decide you wanted to do that?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, so I worked at Recovering Hope for a while, and then um after having cash, I actually got in to the county and worked with Erica for a while at the Veterans Service office. Um, and then a position opened in the assessor's office, and I love it. And then I got my appraiser license shortly after that. So I can do that on the side too.

SPEAKER_02:

That'd be so great. And then you'll have some freedom to go on those trips with cash. Yes, that'd be great. Beta, you got anything, any advice for dating in 2025? No. No, I do not, unfortunately. No, sorry, yeah, it's so bad. Like, I think everybody since COVID is like scared to talk to people. I feel like younger guys too, they like and that's all that I really have.

SPEAKER_03:

Like, it's either way young or really old. Yeah. Not really old, but no, there's no like in between.

SPEAKER_02:

But did you say earlier though, that made me think, well, that sounds like you need an older guy. I have that. Yeah. Oh. Um I don't know, but I am not the person to ask for advice. Sorry. That's okay.

SPEAKER_03:

I'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. It was fun. Yeah. We'll find uh a man who's been abused in a narcissistic relationship and we'll get a panel going. Yes. Yeah. And pick a ball. Yes. Okay. Sounds good. Thanks. Thanks.