Saving Lives Starts With Saying Something – a New Chapter for Supernaut

The numbers hit us first: construction workers die by suicide at alarming rates, and the mix of long hours, layoffs, injuries, pain meds, and identity loss is brutal. A grant could have accelerated our response, and we swung big. We didn’t win it. Instead of quitting, we chose something bolder—rebuilding our show around candid mental health stories from the people who live them, especially in blue-collar communities.

We talk through the pivot with honesty and care. Veda shares her own season of suicidal ideation: the isolation after graduation, a Minnesota winter that wouldn’t end, and a cold walk by a frozen river she chose not to enter. There’s no tidy lesson, only evidence that hope often looks like a small decision held for one more minute. We trace how anxiety hides in plain sight, why seasonal depression sneaks up, and how simple tools—routine, movement, sunlight, and real connection—start to turn the tide. We keep experts close, but we center lived experience and protect every guest with ethical editing and consent.

Action matters too. We joined a regional coalition and helped distribute free gun locks because reducing access to lethal means saves lives. We’re launching a GoFundMe to cover production costs so we can keep creating a safe space with high-quality audio, thoughtful edits, and zero pressure on guests. Along the way, we explore the thread that ties our themes together—spirituality, sobriety, suicide, and self. From the Ho’oponopono mantra to practical coping strategies, we offer paths that are human, not hyped. If someone comes to mind while you listen, send them this episode. That share might be the lifeline.

If this mission resonates, subscribe, leave a review, and share with a friend who needs to hear a real story today. Your support keeps the mics on and the stigma off.

0:00 New Direction For Supernaut

1:39 The Grant Journey And Stakes

3:09 Why Mental Health In Construction

8:06 Real Voices Over Jargon

10:49 Veda’s Story: Suicidal Ideation

17:26 Loneliness, SAD, And Coping

23:58 What Stopped The Attempt

31:13 Talking Openly And Editing Ethically

36:50 Origins Of The Podcast And “S” Theme

44:26 Language, Platforms, And Not Glorifying

51:05 Community, Funding, And GoFundMe

58:08 Coalition Work And Gun Locks

Transcript

New Direction For SuperNOT

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to SuperNOT, where we explore the inner and outer dimensions of the self. Today, Veda and I are just going to talk about some changes we're making on Supernaut and the direction that we're going. So basically, it all started because we got an email at Sherman, the construction company that we work for, from the Minnesota Department of Labor, saying that construction workers face some of the highest rates of suicide and mental health challenges in any industry. So I mean it makes sense the long hours, the harsh work conditions, layoff period, getting injured and addicted to opioids. Yeah, that's a big thing. Yeah. And then retiring and wondering, you know, what's my purpose now that my body isn't doing what my purpose has been my whole life. Yeah. So we spent a month writing, rewriting the grant.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Writing, rewriting, rewriting some more.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

Yeah.

The Grant Journey And Stakes

SPEAKER_00 0:47

Your first time writing a grant, what was that like? Overwhelming. I mean, yeah, it was a really big grant too, not just like a small, you know, local Kenneba County or something. So it um was definitely cool. I learned a lot. And um it was tough for me because in my own uh hobbies of writing, you know, I'm I write very emotional, I guess, things. Yeah, right. So to have to be like very professional, it kind of felt like school again, you know, writing an essay and yeah, like you're writing your own words, your own opinions. Right. And then where this is like a neutral ground and yeah, but it important. So I had to like, you know, kind of reel myself in at times from being like, okay, they already know all of the issues, I don't need to restate these. Like, how are we going to try to fix it? So yeah, it was good. I'm glad that I had the opportunity to do that. I don't know if I ever will again. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

But yeah, you'll always be able to look back on that because it was very stressful. They were offering$750,000 to one to four companies. And at first we're like, oh, well, they're gonna pick four companies, we should ask for a smaller amount. But then it's like, well, they're gonna have to micromanage whatever company they pick, so maybe they're only gonna want to pick one or two.

SPEAKER_02 2:01

Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

And so then we asked for a pretty large amount, was hoping to go all out. We were gonna change that's what she shed into mental health instead of leadership in construction.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Um we were supposed to find out on New Year's Eve, and then we got an email and they had pushed it back, and so then it was just, you know, biting our nails, waiting. And uh yeah, we did not get it, but that's okay. Um, suicide, I don't remember what it's called. It's SAVE is the acronym. They're one of the recipients, and then Minnesota General Contractors, something, something, um, they were the other recipients, and so both of them are already very well established in mental health resources and things like that. So I'm excited to see what they do.

Why Mental Health In Construction

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Yeah, we have to cut keep up with them and see what they end up doing. And we said the whole time, if somebody else can do something and make a bigger difference than us, then we really hope that they get it, and um really hoping so because so we aren't going to continue with that's what she shed, that podcast. We're just gonna change supernot into more mental health and suicide struggles.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

And why we think this podcast will be different than other podcasts talking about suicide is because it's not like experts or doctors. This is like real people, real construction workers, real anybody talking about their feelings. And they might say one thing that someone else feels and can help them not feel alone or give a tool that worked for them. And there's so many tools out there, and every one works different for different people. So the conversation has to be ongoing.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Yeah. Yeah, and not that we're, you know, hating by any means on any mental health professionals.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Obviously, they yeah, and we still want some on.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

Yes, 1000%. But you know, we're not necessarily guided by them, and this is a little bit more real than therapy jargon, you know, or just buzzwords that are common right now, which, you know, I mean, that's it's just clearly not working.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

So, like trying something new and just getting people to open up, I think, um, is what we've been thriving at because people keep wanting to come on, and that's been, like I said, so um such a shock. I wasn't expecting right, especially males. I feel like we've had more males on than females, even and coming on and wanting to talk about their struggles.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yeah, that's been the really cool thing for me, you know, to I don't have the best experience with most men in my life, most men in my family, you know, that are close to me. So to see, you know, people that I would not have normally come across um open up and get really, you know, really, really raw is fun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

So we didn't talk about it on your episode when you came on, but you have struggled with suicidal ideations. Can you tell us about them?

SPEAKER_00 4:57

Yeah. Um, I know we talked about it a little bit before the episode. I'll actually go into stuff that I didn't say before. Throughout high school, throughout really all of my life, up until like graduation, I was like, I don't have any mental health problems, you know, and most of my friends didn't either, or at least they didn't talk about it. Um, but I just felt, I don't know, I kind of had this like holier than thou attitude about it, and but was like also just confidence and you know, was happy that I don't struggle with that.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

Well, you did say on your episode that pride was one of your um things, so that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

A little prideful, yeah. I've reeled it in since then. Um, so yeah, throughout high school, I was like, I don't struggle with that, and I'm happy about that. I I did have some, you know, people close to me that really did struggle, and I just couldn't place myself in their own shoes. I just didn't know what that was like. And I've had family members that, like, especially on my dad's side, that have really struggled with depression, schizophrenia, anxiety, all these really fun things. And I just felt like I had kind of dodged a bullet. And then graduation happened. I graduated in 2020, so COVID, it was a very turbulent time that nobody really knew what was going on. I was still being social with my friend group and everything was fine. Um, I kind of fell into an eating disorder. Um luckily it didn't get as bad as it could have. Um so that was throughout the summer. And then as we got into fall, all of my friends went to college, and I, like a week before I was supposed to move up to Duluth, um, the U of M had said that they were putting on restrictions that you can go to school and stay in the dorm, but you basically have to stay in your dorm, you can't leave, or you can do online school, and that's what I chose because then I would still have a vehicle and could work and save money, you know, not being in the dorms. And so I was here and everybody else left, and I felt very lonely. And now I know that I struggle really hard with seasonal depression, but at the time I wasn't aware of that, so I think that also had a lot to do with it. But um yeah, I got really sad. I watched a lot of Grey's Anatomy and slept rather than going to class or doing my homework, and in January of 2021, um I don't know that I would say it was an attempt, but I drove out to Governor Knowles State Park just to go for a hike because I thought that would make me feel better. I don't know, but I remember as I was like walking along the riverbank, I was like, well, I could just jump in and I wouldn't be able to get out, so it would be a for sure way of you know not regretting it or doing something rash.

SPEAKER_01 8:00

And how long at this point had you been thinking it was since Nov fall?

Real Voices Over Jargon

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Yeah, yeah. Um, I remember that there was a night that I had gone over to a friend's house, um and be I, you know, got there, but stayed in my car and called Nivea, my best friend, outside. And so she came and sat in my truck with me, and I was like, I am not doing okay. And I don't really remember the details of that conversation and what exactly happened afterwards. I mean, there was no intervention, she didn't go to my mom that I know of and say, you know, Veda's not doing okay. Like, I didn't say that I had a plan or anything, but um, I do remember that. So that was probably November. I don't think there was snow on the ground. Yeah, so it just kind of snowballed, you know, as it got colder and colder. Um and you were like thinking about different ways that you could. Yeah, I was sorry, trigger warning, this might get a little graphic, but um and some people might relate to this, but you when you have that thought in the back of your head, when you're thinking, when you're not acting super rashly, and just you know, do something about it, you go through all of the different ways that you know of that you could end your own life. And um, I think a lot of people think of a gun right away. And for me, I was like, well, we don't own guns, and I don't really know anybody, I don't know how to acquire one, and that one has such a high risk of not working, but you still severely injure yourself, which I did not want to deal with. Um overdosing, I didn't know what medications we had in the house that could achieve that for me, and I didn't want to. My big thing was I absolutely under no circumstances wanted my brothers to find me. Um, so that one was ruled out. Carbon monoxide poisoning was ruled out because I would have been at home. And was there another one that I had said?

SPEAKER_01 10:00

Hanging. Oh yeah, that one I um also just didn't none of them, which is it's such a we work in a construction industry, but we're not like I don't know. I wouldn't know. Yeah, I was yeah, I wouldn't know like logistically how that would work. I don't know if that's the right word, but yeah, yeah.

Veda’s Story: Suicidal Ideation

SPEAKER_00 10:19

Well, and it's kind of I laugh now because obviously we use humor as a coping mechanism, but I'm like, I I really had to, you know, rule out what would work and what wouldn't. And I mean it's just to me kind of funny that you're gonna overthink something that's so like I don't know. So yeah, it it just it was more of a like, I feel like a burden. Um who did you feel like a burden to? My family, my friends, I my ex. I mean anybody that knew me in high school would probably say that I'm pretty different now from who I was then.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

I was was there a consciousness in your brain of this isn't this isn't true. Where are these thoughts coming from? Or it just seemed so real of like it felt really real.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

It it did. So it was kind of I there was a moment where I was like, whoa, okay, this is poor mental health. That you do have it, you were not spared, Theta. Come on, like yeah, you're not holier than thou, but um, I guess prior to all of this, go back in time a little bit to um write when COVID had started and and um school got shut down because that happened in the beginning of March. So there were like three months of um still finishing high school, but at home. Uh, and I had walked down our stairs, and we have a foyer, and then if you turn left, you go into the kitchen. And my mom was sitting at the kitchen table during, I don't know, middle of the day doing school with my brothers, and I was like, Mom, I have like a pit in my stomach and it won't go away. What is this? Like, I feel nervous all the time, and she was like, That's anxiety. I'm like, Oh, okay, this is new for me. I've never felt this way before. And so that was kind of my first, like, maybe you do have some mental health stuff, but I didn't really equate that to mental health. It was more of just like a I don't know, a feeling, you know. To me, it's like depression and suicidal ideation and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

And that could be trauma too, because um listening to the book The Mountain Is You, I believe it's called, um, just today. And uh she was saying that if you wanna, if you're angry and you wanna yell at somebody, but you don't yell at them, you like hold it back, you know, that's a good thing, but also then it's stored in your cells.

SPEAKER_04 12:49

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

Yeah, definitely. And now it's I mean, that was 2020, so it was six years ago. Um, I have severe anxiety, severe crippling. Uh I reflected on my life leading up to that moment of walking into the kitchen and you know, telling that to my mom, and I was like, no, you've been anxious your whole life. Like you used to cry if you missed the bus and had to be dropped off at school and walk into class, you know, and everybody would turn and look at you. Or um, I was big on timeliness. I don't know. There were just things that, you know, said, No, you've had anxiety your whole life. It's just manifesting differently now. So yeah, that was, I don't know, kind of a rude awakening, but okay. Mental health doesn't spare anybody, you know. It's we all experience it in some fashion, and that's okay. It's perfectly normal.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Yeah, and I mean pain can be there too, and struggle is there to help you grow and help you learn and help you realize how strong you are. But um, obviously we're not coping well as a society. Right. Um, so we gotta figure out some changes. Okay, so back to your on this walk. Yeah, so I don't know why.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

I could not tell you why I uh what day it was like why I went there, no idea. But I went to Governor Knowles and um again it was January, it was cold, not as cold as it's been like this past weekend, but not warm, not real hiking weather. Um and I went around evening time, which I mean obviously the sun sets way earlier, you know, in the wintertime than it does in the summertime. So I remember the sun was starting to set. Um and yeah, I was walking like I guess not on the bank of the river because it's kind of a hill down there, but I was on the east side of the river and um just looking at the frozen ginormous river. And uh yeah, I felt like that would have been the right thing to do. Not at home. Nobody would have, you know, nobody would have been traumatized, none of my family members would have been traumatized by seeing me. Um and I would have been in a position where I can't undo, you know, my choice.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

So do you have any idea what stopped you? I don't.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

I just didn't. I just didn't do it. I just didn't walk down, you know, through the trees, down to the water. Um would I have even been able to break through the ice? I don't know. You know, was it maybe the at the time it felt like a smart idea, you know, like a surefire way, but I I don't know that it would have been.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Um you probably would have been like, take a rock, you're like trying to break the ice, and you get so many iron door friends from from trying to do it. I'm too tired.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

I'm giving up now. Yeah, yeah. No. So I didn't, but um, something that I talk about somewhat frequently with my mom now is that so I was walking north. So like I parked south, walked north, and then at some point turned around and came back, and uh got back to my car, and my my mom called me and was like, I need you to pick up Chinese food on the way home. And I was so mad. There's this book that I used to read as a kid, and if she listens to this, she'll laugh because it's called I Was So Mad, and it was one of my favorite childhood books. But I was so mad at her because she hates Chinese food, and it made no sense to me why she wanted me to go pick up Chinese food. She never eats, it was the strangest thing. It is truly so strange. But I was my anger came more from like I'm doing so unwell right now, and you have no idea. You have no idea what I was just going through mentally over the last hour, two hours, you know, being here at this state park. And now you want me to go pick up Chinese food? Like, how dare you? Now I'm like, you're so dramatic, Veda. Get over yourself. It's fine, everything's fine, you're still alive.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

Like, yeah, and now I'm more open about it, but what changed the next day, and after that, how did you get better? How did you stop thinking like that? Um I really don't remember. Maybe the season is changing even.

Loneliness, SAD, And Coping

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Yeah, and now that I look back on it, I'm like, okay, you definitely had sad seasonal uh seasonal effective disorder, um or seasonal depression. Uh which I, you know, have experienced since then too, every winter. I mean, we live in Minnesota. It's pretty bleak here in the wintertime, and I'm not um I mean, in high school I was on the ski team, so I think that definitely helped being, you know, out with friends in nature, you know, exercising. So it didn't affect me as much in high school um and going to hockey games or basketball games, things like that. But I mean, loneliness is so real. Yeah, I um don't have very many friends, and like I said, everybody left, you know, around that time too. So it was just there were a lot of really big changes for me in from spring of 2020 into spring of 2021. Um but I don't remember anything exact of okay, I feel better, you know. I didn't go to the doctor, I didn't get put on medication, I just kind of suffered through it. And now, and if have felt this way for a few years, but I'm like, I will never let myself get to that place again. Because I've done it once and got through it. I know that you know, that was my rock bottom, and I definitely have still gotten sad, and you know, some some time it the thoughts just creep in there, and they're like, everything would just be easier if you weren't here, you know, for both for you, especially now being an adult and dealing with real like bills and you know scary things. It's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

That was what I was gonna ask is is there a risk of this happening again, of these thoughts coming that far? But if you're determined for them not to, why are you so sure that they won't?

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Right. I mean, I'm not. I yeah, I'm determined for them not to in my you know healthiest, most you know, mentally well self. You know, I know that I have the strength to not get down there again, but yeah, sometimes it hits and it's frustrating, I would say, more than anything, because it's like you're fighting, you know, kind of like the you know, angel and devil uh thing. Like one side of you is like, no, everything's fine, you know, life is beautiful, life is great, like it's worth living. And the other side is like, yeah, but then you don't have to deal with all the you know aspects of humanity that are annoying, like paying bills and seeing scary things, and you know, just all of that, and loss, and you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Yeah, I mean, I'm lucky enough that I um haven't had it get that extreme, but one thing that I usually joke about, but actually mean is like. Like when I'm driving, and I'll be like, I just wanna run into a tree or to a ditch like me in a hospital for a couple weeks and not have to pay bills, yeah, or have any responsibilities. Nobody's gonna expect so much from me. Yeah, and I think which is probably just me expecting so much from me, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Right, yeah, definitely. Um I think that might be more of what it is too. I don't know, our brains are really powerful and they can do some really, you know, cool things and also some really scary things. Like even somewhat recently, you know, I had there was like a day where I was just really sad and um felt you know things would just be, but I'm also like, no, you know, you have family and you want to be old, you eventually want to be an old person and live a full life, you know. Like I won't let myself be gypped of a full life because of me. Like if, you know, if if so stubborn. Yeah, truly, yeah. Pride really is my like, yeah, you know, if it's at the hands of someone else, fine, there's nothing I can do about it, but no, I'm not gonna won't let it happen. So and to um with postpartum depression, that's something that I witnessed a lot with my mom. And um, as she had my three little brothers and um Bodie the youngest, definitely she went through it really, really bad. And um, I won't talk about her experience because it's not my experience to talk about, but uh suicidal thoughts um, as some people might know, is a really, really big part of bad postpartum depression. I mean, it doesn't have to be severe, it could, you know, even be mild, and that's something that people experience. And I don't remember where I was going with that. Shoot yeah, just but witnessing she didn't talk about it at it as it was happening, at least not with me, um, because I was still a child, and you know, it's it's also tough to talk about your mental health. Like it's vulnerability and it's frightening, and you don't want to be embarrassed or be judged, you know, so I can understand why a lot of people keep it to themselves. And it was really hard for me when I did call out my best friend that day to come into the car with me and talk about it. Like my best friend who has seen me through almost all stages of my life, you know, it's yeah, it's a scary thing. But with my mom, um after seeing what that can do to you, not even her talking about it, just seeing, like, that's another thing that um is just very impactful. And now that I've you know come out of my own rock bottom, I'm like, okay, I am determined to still live because see it from a different angle and understand it in a different way.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yeah, and that's why we're so passionate about keeping Supernaut going because we've been so blown away by the people that have wanted to come on and and talk about this, which is the hardest thing to talk about. Yeah, like getting into the most vulnerable parts for yourself for anybody to see.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

Absolutely. I mean, I am somebody who's very open. I'm I think more open than most. I don't have a lot of shame in that aspect. I'll tell anybody anything. I'm an open book, and not a lot of people are like that, especially up here, and especially men about mental health. So it truly has been such a privilege for me to, you know, just work behind the camera, but I get to hear all of these conversations. And I mean, a lot of our episodes aren't very heavily edited. It's you know, maybe just an awkward pause here or there or a bathroom break. But yeah, it's still really fun to, you know, see it live and for people to feel comfortable.

What Stopped The Attempt

SPEAKER_01 23:40

When people are extra nervous, it's like we can't edit anything out. If you leave the next day and are like, I I wish I hadn't said that. I I don't want that part in there. Like, of course, we're gonna take it out. We're not gonna release something that you wish you hadn't said. Those are your words, you own them. Right. We're not gonna told that story, take that out.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

It feels good to talk about it. And a lot of people are saying, Oh, my episode ended up helping my cousin or so-and-so, and all this.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

So yeah, it's been there's so many words that I can't even think of to describe it. But yeah, it truly I just I feel privileged to be able to listen and learn, you know, and and grow with these people because yeah, I'm only 23. I I think I've lived a lot of life in my 23 years, but I still hopefully have a lot of life to live. And so to, you know, meet these people who are maybe, you know, at the middle or nearing the end of their life and get their perspective on things, it's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Okay, so yeah, I want to get into a little bit of um why I started podcasting and you know, then go into why we're switching over. So um I didn't ever think I would, it wasn't a plan. We built this studio, and my dad always told me that I had an unclear speaking voice. So I just never thought that was something that I could do. But two people at work um wanted me to do a family business one. So they were like pumping me up, saying, No, you can definitely do it. So I spent a couple of days thinking, well, wow, I actually would have a whole team behind me if I wanted to do that. So what would I actually want to talk about? And like spirituality came up instantly, just my favorite thing to talk about, always has been. And then like sobriety, well, you know, I was only drinking once a month, every other month at that point. So I'm like, maybe if we talk about sobriety, I would quit drinking completely. And that's becoming like a thing. Maybe I can find people to come on and talk about that. And then I was trying to think of another S word for a while. It was salads. I was like, just gonna talk about healthy eating. Yep. But like I noticed that the S theme just kept coming up, and like all my other favorite things in the world, too. Like, I mean, Sherman, where I work, and we were started in 1976. My favorite place in the world is Snowshoe Lake. Um, who got me into podcasting was Simon Sinek, like two more S's. There's just S's everywhere, and it is the most common most words in the English language start with an S. So kind of cheating, but like so many things. I mean, yeah. Yeah. But the signs are still there. Yeah, signs, exactly. Yeah. And then like finding this logo, I wanted an S that was like yang yang kind of shaped, and I wanted it a perfect circle. And Stefan, the guy who made it, um, brilliant artist, he um like we were arguing over if it could be perfect circle or not, because he kind of came up with it. I kind of gave him the idea and then he designed it. And um it's funny how once he showed me what it would look like if it was a perfect circle, it just didn't look right. So it's like, okay, that's another thing to let go of, which has become a big theme of the show, too. So then it was spectrum of self, um, because I wanted to be able to talk about everything. But yeah, with everybody coming on, like 80, 90% of the people coming on wanting to talk about mental health. Um, it's just wild that the word suicide starts with S also. So it fits the theme. And the thing is, YouTube doesn't share posts that use the word suicide in it.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Yeah. I think it's because of Logan Paul. And maybe you and Cody and I have talked about this. I'm not sure, but I think that is why. Yeah, tell the story again. Um uh you're god, I don't even know. 2015, 2016, maybe? I'm not sure, but I'm sure a lot of people are familiar with who Logan Paul is. If you're not, he's a YouTuber now. He's like a boxer? MMA fighter. I don't even know. They're an odd family, but I digress. Um, but at the time he was a vlogger, and I actually uh watched him and his brother for a little while on YouTube, and he had gone to Japan with a group of people, and they went into the suicide forest and um came across somebody who had recently committed suicide. And like what I've gathered is that the cops or whomever in Japan frequently goes into this very famous suicide forest and checks for people. Um, and so this man had not been there for very long, and um they filmed it, him hanging there and put it on YouTube, and I watched the video when it came out before it was taken down, and so it was this huge, huge controversy. And YouTube got in a lot of trouble for it, right? And yeah, so I would gather that that's probably why they um hinder things that have to do with that topic, which is very understandable because I'm sure that that was very traumatic for a lot of people, um, and definitely not the right thing to do on Logan's part, which I know he's made apology videos and blah blah blah, but yeah, don't do that. Yeah, that's so disrespectful. But um that's not what this is, you know. This is um not that. Um everything, you know, opposite of that. It's we're not glorifying it. That's I think the biggest thing is we're not here to glorify anybody's story, anybody's experience, just the topic of you know, mental health and suicide.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

And right, because if I mean when we were talking about it with that's what she shed, it was like, okay, you know, we're gonna have to be sensitive with that word, but like at this point, I'm just over being sensitive with that word. Like, I keep hearing more and more stories in our community, even just in the last week. Right um, just found out about my best friend, um, close family member. So I'm done hiding, done not using that word. We need to talk about it because not talking about it isn't working.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Yeah, it's an epidemic, truly. And I kind of said this to you um before we started recording of for my generation, and I don't know how many people around my age listen to this podcast, but for those who don't know, Amanda Todd, um, I would say that she was probably in that like elder millennial age range. She was like 15, 16, maybe, I'm not sure. But um, she got really famous on YouTube because she made this video, um, which then kind of it became what I guess what I would call a trend at the time of um she had like written out a bunch of stuff on note cards and was like showing them to the camera, you know, it was probably a 10-minute long video talking about how she was sad and didn't want to be here anymore, and then she ended up um killing herself. And like I said, it then became a trend where I don't necessarily know it was a trend to actually, you know, end your own life, but a lot of people started kind of doing it in that same note-card way. Um, and so I think just my generation, and especially how much violence is in this world all the time, we're not as affected by it, but it's important to talk about. It's not gonna go away, you know. It's unfortunately not gonna go away ever, but um, I think the the less stigma that we can, you know, have surrounding it, the better.

Talking Openly And Editing Ethically

SPEAKER_01 31:03

Yeah, exactly. So um we are just gonna go all out on that, and that's gonna be a big theme. I mean, still spik sticking with spirituality and sobriety, and um, another reason why I started the podcast was because I kind of felt like an outsider with my friends. I still have all the same friends, but um I wanted to find more people that were into the things that I was in, so I wanted to shout out quick to the friends that I've made now since starting. Um, my friend Sheila, I'm gonna have to post a picture right here of the spread that she made. She uh invited me over. We had never met before, and we meditated together, and she just had the most beautiful setup um for me because she is interested in this stuff and um reconnected with a friend from high school, Amanda and Adam, who was on last week, been um becoming good friends with. So, since we didn't get the grant, and this has taken all my money, like I was okay not continuing on with the podcast. I just wanted to try it for a year. I wanted to do the hard thing, and I felt pulled in like it, there was no option not to do it. I just couldn't stop thinking about it. Um, more and more reasons came up to do it, but um, we have decided to start a GoFundMe. So this episode is coming out at the exact same time that this GoFundMe is coming out. And of course, this money is not for me to put in my pocket. Um, this is my hobby. This is an excuse to talk to people and make new friends. Um, and now to help this situation in society that has been so heartbreaking just to see all over the place. Um, so every penny will just go towards production costs. Um, we clearly aren't big enough to be advertising, and um, to make money off YouTube, you need like a thousand subscribers and four thousand hours watched in the past year. Um so yeah, we don't really care about that. We just care about like at least helping our community and like letting people come on to have this healing opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 33:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

And everybody's always like, oh, why is it so expensive to podcast? Like, yeah, anybody can just set up a mic and do it for pennies, basically. But I got into podcasting in 2020 by watching it on YouTube and like I barely watch TV anymore. I just watch podcasts on TV, and so I really, really wanted it to be visual. And so that's you know, kind of what makes it expensive. And Cody, the editor, is very expensive because he's very good. It's not easy to make it sound as good as it does and look as good as it does, and um, to be able to give the guests the option that we can cut anything out, you know, and make it still look good. So, um, and then there's paying you for the engineering, there's software fees, subscription fees, platform fees. Like, luckily, we don't have to pay any rent for this, you know. That's like the saving grace. But um I don't want to scare anybody from starting their own podcast because yeah, if you edit yourself, if you upload, if you make clips, you do social media everything yourself, like it can be so cheap. And all my friends and family, like, you know, thought it was so stupid of me to spend all this money, but I just couldn't not. Like I said, they're like it was just pulling me to do it. And now I feel like I know why. It's you know, I have fun talking about the spirituality, I'm growing so much from talking about sobriety, but this is needed. This is like bigger than me. Definitely, I think super not wanted to be made. Um, in the book Big Magic that I gave you, uh Liz Gilbert talks about all the different artists out there that um the art has fallen into them. My favorite story is this girl, and I I hate that I don't know her name, but um she was a poet a long time ago. She'd be out like in the field haying, and she would hear a poem come. She could hear in the wind coming, and she would have to run to her house as fast as she could to start writing down the poem. And if she didn't get there fast enough, the poem would go by. So I think art is a live, ever-moving, ever-changing thing. And I think maybe this is why Supernaut wanted to be started to to help people definitely, at least in our community, be able to talk at least on those kinds of things.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Yeah, I mean I think for me that's been the coolest thing is yeah, maybe it's people that I, you know, run into a quick trip or Coburn's or you know, at a basketball game when I go watch my brothers or you know, whatever, but to be able to know their story and not in a in a gossipy way, you know. We live in a small town, that's a big thing. Like everybody knows everybody's dirt, so yeah, it's but to have empathy for that person, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

Yeah, when you see them struggling, you want to help them more, and then that's just creating oxytocin all over the place. Like you get oxytocin, the happy chemical. Anytime you do something nice for somebody, somebody does something nice for you, or you witness something, and every time that you're gonna have more empathy for somebody, the more you want to help them.

Origins Of The Podcast And “S” Theme

SPEAKER_00 36:04

Yeah, and it's just ridding the judgment, I think, within my own um not that I'm by no means am I trying to make this about myself, but when I was talking about anxiety, um, I have social anxiety, not general anxiety, social anxiety. So um I'm often very much on guard all the time, anytime I'm in public. Um, and so I I find myself judging others the way that I think they would judge me. And I'm like, no, Beta, because really I don't judge you. Yeah, like my my first thought is yes, and then I'm I'm like, no, no, you don't care. Like we're just everybody's night, yes. And so, you know, to see people who I maybe would have had, you know, judgments on and be able to know their story, you know, it's been you have a new perspective now, and all it is is perspectives, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

That probably makes me sound like such a bitch, and I'm I don't mean to sound that way, but there's nobody out there that doesn't feel that way. I can't relate to that. Like yeah, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

So yeah, it's been really cool. And um I know you and I are, you know, two big believers of what's meant for us is meant for us. And you know, if this is the end of Supernaut, then that's the end of Supernaut, and we're not, you know, here to uh uh uh exploit it and make it something that it's not, but you know, we feel that this is important, and again, it's it's if if we could do this and just do it for free, obviously we would do, you know, we would not want any monetary, you know, assets from this, but unfortunately that's just not how it works. And if you're you know unable to donate, that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

Listen, watch, share it, you know. Share it with the people that you think might need it and uh subscribe, pushing the subscribe button is what matters. But yeah, I mean, so many people take their own lives and nobody suspected it of them. So your blue-collar people who the state says is struggling the worst, like they might need to hear this and they might not want to talk about it. So sharing it with people that you that come to your mind, you might not think that they need the help, but if they come to your mind, that might be a sign, you know. So just send it.

SPEAKER_00 38:14

Right.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

Another S. Another S.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Now all I can think of is the S's. Yeah, and for me too, like if you know, if if you don't want to donate or you don't feel comfortable, like, but it would make you feel better to maybe donate to a mental health organization, by all means, please do that. Like, we're not here to just sit and ask for money. That's not our intentions at all. It's because we want to continue the conversations, and I'm sure there's a million mental health podcasts out there, and um I'm sure they're all just as great, you know. This is just what we're passionate about. And I think just based on my viewing of how many reactions and responses and comments you get every Sunday or Monday, you know, when you post the new episode on your Facebook, like it's been really fun to see everybody's excitement about it and you know that they care and that it helped them in some way, even if they weren't a guest. Yeah, I think it has really impacted our community in a good way, and I hope that it can only continue to do so.

unknown 39:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:18

Because there's so many good organizations to donate to. So, I mean, or you know, so many good causes. This is just the one that we are feeling called to. Like there's nothing we can do about it. It is asking us to help. Um, that reminds me, I do want to shout out Robert Fasthorse. He was on um a couple months ago now, but he is starting or he has a video game page on Facebook called Pony Boy. And he was writing me about it today. He said, I finally found something where I can possibly do good in this messed up world. And he said that he's like getting crazy big. Um Hits on it already. So that's why he's feeling confident about it. But all of the money of the creator code revenue will be donated to charity. But the cool thing is he is going to let his followers decide each month where the money goes to. He's gonna do like a voting thing. So I think that's so great too. Because then you can do a riot a wide variety of things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

And I think, I mean, and maybe we we cut this out, I don't know. But if we were, you know, to get big enough that we could make money, you know, off of the platforms that we're on, you know, to also give back to the you know community that we're talking about here. Like, yes. That is the purpose of this. It is it is more of a hobby. I mean, it's a passion, but I guess I would say it's more of a hobby than intended to be um a job.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

Yeah, you know, 100%. It's just about having those great conversations every week that light us up.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

Um, can you tell us about the coalition?

SPEAKER_00 40:58

Yeah, so um obviously we both work for Sherman, and within this mental health grant that led me to finding a million and a half resources, you know, within the mental health sector. Um, and so part of our proposal had to do with um the counties surrounding us. And so we found a coalition, we found a couple of them. Sorry, I keep bumping the mic. Uh, but the pick'em up coalition. Um, I guess we joined them officially. And um we've only gone to one meeting, we'll go to more, but they provided us with free gun locks. And so if anybody follows the Sherman account, you may have seen our gun lock video, which I um was elated to see what great responses it got. I mean, so many likes and comments and shares, which the likes and comments, I mean, you know, not for never gotten so many details. Yeah, right. It was so cool to see it was like wildfire spread throughout Mora and all these people that I know that yeah, so that was really fun and fun in the sense of like we're making an impact, yeah, we're letting people know about this resource that we have, you know, not just we went viral, you know.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

That's not the purpose of this. So that's the funny thing, too, of like getting the grant, like we're so excited to get the grant, but then there's such this part of you that's like it just sucks that this grant needs to be, you know what I mean? To be excited to get money to talk about this like is also so hard.

SPEAKER_00 42:24

Yes, you know, yeah, which to me, I mean, when when I found out that we didn't get it, I very solemnly walked up to Beth and was like your eyes were glazed over, so I was like, and I know you're gonna tell me something, and I was like, are they glazed over out of like excitement? Out of like, you know, I couldn't tell for those couple of split seconds, and I probably would have screamed, you probably would have thought I was being murdered here in the studio if we would have gotten it, but yeah, so we didn't. And to me though, again, you and I are very much of the same, like what's meant for us is meant for us. So it's you know, obviously disappointing, but not the end of the world that we didn't get it. These two, you know, other programs are definitely better equipped than us, I think, to talk about these things, and yeah, that's just what was meant to happen. Um, and now the thing that I appreciate about it is that one was specific to mental health in construction, and now we don't have to just be in that, you know. It could be anybody, it could be healthcare or just blue-collar, you know, of any capacity. Literally anybody or anybody. It yeah, you could be you'd work it off.

SPEAKER_01 43:28

That's kind of who I think we're gonna target. Yes. Um, so that's the thing too. If you can't donate, it will help so much if you uh just think of a company or a person that we can send the GoFundMe to to uh, you know, because you think they're gonna be passionate about it. I mean, that's gonna help just as much, if not more. Right. You know, if you can donate 10, 15, 20 dollars, but you know a company that could donate 100, like my gosh, right? That's gonna be helpful.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

Just to keep the conversation going. It's for nothing more than that.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

And we're asking for enough to uh keep us going for a few months. So then, you know, you'll have the option again to decide, oh, this is going well. This is they're doing what they said they're gonna do. I'm gonna give more, or I'm gonna try harder to find people to donate. You know, you can see how we're not asking for a ton of money, just enough to keep going. We'll ask every few months and see, you know, where the wind takes us. Yeah.

Language, Platforms, And Not Glorifying

SPEAKER_00 44:24

And we're in tough times right now. Like that is not at all lost on us. So again, if you can't donate, that's okay. Sh just share an episode, like an episode, subscribe, you know, do something just to engage with us. Or again, if you would feel better donating to some mental health organization of of some capacity, do that. Like, right, we don't want to, you know, make anybody feel guilty for not, or you know, just yeah, not here to be greedy, yeah, by any means.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

It's hard to come on here and ask for help, you know. Um, but there's a lot of harder things out there, so we're just doing our intentions are good. That is, yeah, that's where we're at. Yeah. And what yeah, we're excited to prove that. Um and construction, I mean, I grew up around it. It's yeah to he when we got that email, it was so hard to read, and but it clicked right away of why it is hard for people.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

It makes a lot of sense. I mean, yeah, for somebody who might not like I've kind of I wanted to go to school for social work, which not specifically for mental health, but obviously that's a big part of you know, the social work umbrella. Um, my mom, you know, throughout my uh preteen years was going to school to be a LEDC, a drug and alcohol abuse counselor, and now works at a treatment center. I also worked there before coming here. So I've been more familiar with that, just the um science behind it, you know, the logistics of poor mental health and blah blah blah. But when you don't know the, you know, real stuff behind it, the why, the how, you know, the like my mom talks about ACE scores all the time and how um it's a questionnaire that kind of determines where you would be at in your adult years as far as mental health. Um I've never heard of that. Yeah. It's I'll have to have her give me a little bit more information on it because I don't want to say anything that's not true. But um just being in a rural area with such a um huge presence of blue-collar workers specifically. I think as we did research for this grant, it like you said, it clicks. You're like, oh, that's why that person's like that, or oh, you know, these are the factors that can go into you know why some people behave this way and why they might need a little bit more um, you know, just love and care, like especially with men.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

You know, because men have the hardest time being vulnerable, right? Right. That's how they were raised, they were told not to be right. So of course, and then when they're all in one location, they're just gonna keep repeating that and breeding that so and we just want everybody to feel better.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

That's our purpose here, you know. Again, not to exploit anybody, like to just see how many people it's affected already in such a positive way. I only want to continue that, and again, especially in our community, which has been hit, I think, pretty hard with mental health struggles and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

So last week for a networking group that I'm a part of, I did something called a strategic map. Um, so shout out Linda. She's a fan of the show, she helped me with it. So it's kind of like writing out what your goals are for the year, what they were for the past year. And afterwards, I was feeling so insecure about how like I used the word connection so much, you know. I'm like, I want to connect people, connect this, connect that. And uh it was funny. Well, you know, just insecure of like that's what every everybody wants to connect people. Like, you know, I wanted something more unique, like my ego is just like totally getting in the way. And then I finished the book Super Communicators by Charles Dohig, and it was all about this Harvard study that lasted 80 years. It was like multiple generations, and it was about happiness and what do the happiest people have in common? It was connections. So then I started to realize God made a lot of people want to help people connect because it's such an important thing in humanity. So now I'm just gonna embrace it and know that I've always wanted to connect people from having parties when I was growing up to like my favorite thing is to introduce friends to each other. So I'm like, this person's amazing. You have to meet this person, and like my close friends will know exactly what I'm talking about. I do it all the time. Like, if I like somebody, I want everybody in the world to know them. Yeah, you know, yeah, so yeah, connections is my thing, and this is like a way to bring people together.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

You've done that with me for almost every single guest. Yeah. So yeah, I think you're succeeding, and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

And another thing I want to talk about because it's brought up a few times um in the last couple months for me, and I brought it up to a friend today, is this Hawaiian prayer. It's the Ho Opo Nopo prayer. Oh, I probably did not say it right, but um You got them. Yeah, it's an ancient Hawaiian practice for reconciliations, forgiveness, and healing, usually used to mend relationships with oneself and others. It's just a simple prayer, a mantra of four pray phrases. I am sorry, please forgive me, thank you, I love you. If you think about somebody and say that over four times, and I just have to say, like, it's magic. It has worked for me in a few different relationships. And, you know, I don't know if it's just the magic of regulating the nervous system and the magic of forgiveness itself, but I think you can use it in any situation. Um, so that just got brought up today, so I just wanted to bring it up. Uh, there's other podcasts out there that explain it better than I am. Um, there's studies out there about it, um, of how it like just saying it can affect people that they're not even near, you know. So have you heard of it? Your mom knew about it. I brought it up too.

SPEAKER_00 50:09

Yeah, when you said it in English, I was like, Yeah, yeah, that rings a bell. I've heard of that before. I can't discern where I've heard it before, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

Yeah, so it's magical.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

There's something in those words. Maybe it's just because I spent a lot of last week working on clips, but um that kind of reminds me of that one section from uh Amy's episode about the I forgive you.

SPEAKER_01 50:34

Yeah, I think. I'm sorry, please forgive me, thank you, I love you.

Community, Funding, And GoFundMe

SPEAKER_00 50:39

Yeah, I think just within mental health, like you do have to love yourself, you know. You can't like just you can try to just surround yourself with people who love you, you know, and and that's definitely part of it and can definitely better your life, but you know, you do still have to find that love for yourself, and I think forgiving yourself too, like we're humans, we make mistakes. I've done some really shitty things in my life, and you know, would love to forgive those that I've hurt in person. Have I been given an opportunity yet? Not necessarily, but I don't beat myself up about it. Sometimes I think about it at night and cringe hard, but I, you know, yeah, but the words that we use train our brains.

SPEAKER_01 51:20

So when you think about it and you're thinking about those people, if you use those words, you're gonna heal the inside of yourself.

SPEAKER_00 51:25

Yeah, well, and even just putting that good energy out into the, you know, like directing good energy towards them. Yes, it's gonna do something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

100%. And we're gonna talk about energy a lot on here. We're gonna talk about sobriety and spirituality because they're all linked to mental health. Yeah. Anything new that comes out that's linked to mental health, we're gonna talk about it. And so far it seems like those are the things that help the most.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

Everybody has their own form of faith, even atheists, you know, like you don't have to be Christian, you don't have to be Buddhist, you know, you you can be anything. And as long as it's you wholly believe what you wholly believe, that's that's all you need. Yeah, you don't need to have a whole congregation.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

If you don't wholly believe in something, then like find little bits and pieces until you do figure out what you believe, because that's purpose, and I think that's what people struggle with is not having a purpose. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:20

Even during my really low, you know, point during 2020 and 2021 is when I really fell into spirituality hard. And you know my mom, she's always been very spiritually inclined rather than um religion, organized religion. Um, so it wasn't new, but it I kind of forgot about it for a while. And that's definitely been something that has helped me a lot. I mean, there's times where I'm like, you know, is anything real? I don't know, like, you know, why am I believing in something that I don't know is real? But you know, then 10 minutes later you're like, no, it's real, it's real to me, and that's what matters.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

Yeah, love that. Okay, so you got a couple Substacks to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 53:07

Yeah, yeah. So um I have my own Substack. It's called Sacred Writing. For those that don't know, Substack is a writing platform. I guess I call it like a blog. It's kind of like a cross between like Twitter and a blog, because you can post like little notes or pictures or videos, you know, but mostly people use it for writing, they'll form their own publication. Um, so I did it just under two years ago, and I don't have many posts on there. I have a lot in my drafts, but not a lot published. Um and so in my own venture of doing that, I um I have also started one for Supernaut, and uh I linked the podcast to it because you can do that, which I think is really cool. So you can listen on there, but I think my um hope for this second season, so to say, of uh Supernaut is that you and I both write whenever we can, whenever we want to, whether it be about, you know, an upcoming episode, a past episode, um, or just writing to write, because I think it's a it's a really great platform. There's a lot of good energy and positivity and um acceptance of those, you know, like you don't have to have a million subscribers, you can just write to write because you like to do it, and um, it's been a platform platform that I've really fallen in love with in lieu of social media because I think social media can really bring us down, especially with what's happening right now. My most uh recent post, which I did two days ago, was about um what's happening in Minnesota, and um I'm not gonna say too much about it on here. If you want to read it, please go read it. Um I know not a lot of people from you know where we're at are going to agree with me on that, and you know, that it is what it is, but I think it's important still to talk about it. So um, yeah, if you want to subscribe, please do. I would love more subscribers, and I need to really get on myself about writing more consistently because I enjoy it, not for anybody else's, you know, benefit. It's just something that I love to do, and I've been feeling not very passionate lately, I think.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

Um Well, it's winter and it's a harsh one.

SPEAKER_00 55:19

Yeah, and just you know, the world is tough right now. So if we can bring some light, I think that'll, you know, boost everybody's spirits a little bit. But I think doing um a sub stack for the podcast could also be a really cool way to, you know, connect with people and maybe inspire some other people to start their own. I know Adam, who we just had on, um, has his own. I haven't read his uh post yet, but I'm really excited too when we're done here. Yeah. Yeah. He was really excited to hear that I had one. So I it's just a really great community on there. I talk about it all the time.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

Yeah, that reminds me of a quote I heard today from Albert Kamus. He said, In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer. And I think that goes into the mystical stuff of um, you know, letting go and being in the present moment and being able to find the peace at any moment. I mean, what's his name, did it? Gandhi or whoever in prison, you know, he found happiness, and so we all can, even in this horrid winter.

SPEAKER_00 56:26

Very bleak time.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

Yeah. I I've found myself kind of getting down on myself for not writing, and then just I'll have moments of, you know, passion and write a whole thing. And yeah, so I think doing whatever you can to just to kind of give some advice, maybe right now, is um doing whatever that brings you joy, you know, as much as you can. And don't force yourself, because that's not gonna make you feel better, because then you're just gonna be guilty, you know, you're gonna feel guilty about not doing the things when you don't have the capacity to do them. But go easy on yourself. Minnesota's tough. You and I didn't leave the house for four days because it was wonderful, you know, negative 20s.

SPEAKER_01 57:06

Yeah. This is the first time I think Sherman's ever closed because it was too cold. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm sure. So yeah, okay. Well, thanks for listening. And again, subscribing and hitting that button is important to us, sharing with people that you think um this could benefit, and letting us know ideas. We'd love feedback, we'd love to hear anything, anything we're doing wrong, anything you'd like to see more of. We want to know. Sometimes an episode will come out and I won't hear much. Um, but then I'll hear from other people that somebody liked, and it's like, oh wow, I really wish they could have told me, not because I need that ego boost, but because I I just want to know what people are liking so I know what to do more of. You know, doing it for ourselves, of course. I would never talk about something I didn't want to talk about just because other people wanted me to talk about it. But feedback is good. In order to keep going and have more people on, I have to know what people like.

Coalition Work And Gun Locks

SPEAKER_00 58:00

Yeah. Two, something that I just wanted to say. Um, we do have social media. It's it was a rough start for the social media for SuperNot, so I'm sorry. But uh over the coming weeks, we'll definitely have more of a presence on there. Um, I know a lot of people have followed us already: TikTok, Facebook, uh, Instagram, which has been great. And so I just want to um use that too as a platform, not as just none of this is like please follow us, and you know, we just care about the numbers. That's not the purpose of it. Um, we're supposed to get the word out.

SPEAKER_01 58:32

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

Yes. So there'll be, you know, little clips from episodes that we found to be very powerful, or if anybody else has any suggestions for, you know, moments of an episode that really hit them harder, you know.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

Yeah, I gotta send you. Jody sent me a part of Taylor's episode that she's like, this should be a clip. Yeah. That's so great. See, that's that's what we need because yeah, I have a very demanding job and uh it's it's tough to get um everything in. And you so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:02

Yeah. DM us on any of the like, yeah, there's there's a lot of room for dialogue in every you know, platform that we're on.

SPEAKER_01 59:09

So yeah.

unknown 59:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:11

So thank you, everyone.