Supernaut
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Showing Up Rewires Your Mood And Mindset - Seth
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Your morning routine might be the most powerful mood lever you have, and Seth has proof in his own life. We talk about what happens when you miss the gym for a few days, how fast your mindset can slide, and why a simple “keep showing up” philosophy can beat hype every time. Along the way, we get into the real work of changing your inner voice by curating what you listen to, what you practice, and what you repeatedly tell yourself when results are not showing up yet.
Seth also opens up about fatherhood after a long infertility journey, what it means to be steady for your partner, and how growing up without knowing his biological dad shaped him without defining him. We dig into the “village” idea of role models, why wrestling builds a different kind of discipline than school ever did, and how that grit translates into sustainable fitness, identity-based habits, and a healthier relationship with mistakes.
Then we go full health and curiosity mode: peptide therapy like BPC-157 for injury recovery, mind-muscle connection, genetic tradeoffs, and why the gym is mental health maintenance more than a mirror. We also talk about drinking less without turning it into a shame story, plus a wild spirituality rabbit hole that touches Bob Lazar and the importance of staying open to new evidence.
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0:00 Motivation Speeches And Self Talk
13:53 Meeting Seth And Contagious Energy
14:42 Six Years Trying For Kids
15:58 What Fatherhood Changes In You
17:39 Growing Up Without Knowing Dad
22:52 The Village That Raised Him
28:11 Time Money And Anti Aging
30:21 Wrestling Built Discipline For Life
37:47 Peptides And Healing A Torn Calf
44:53 Mind Muscle Connection And Genetics
48:50 Gym As Mental Health Baseline
53:18 Coaching Kids With Tailored Support
1:05:23 Health Buzz From Peptides To RFK
1:06:41 Drinking Less And The Real Why
1:15:23 Aliens Faith And Staying Open
1:25:30 The Words Friends Use For Seth
1:29:46 Insurance Work And Networking Group
1:30:36 Final Questions On Family Legacy
Motivation Speeches And Self Talk
SPEAKER_03The actual benefits of your mindset, your mentality, your mood, everything that it affects in life just by 30 minutes to an hour in the morning.
SPEAKER_00Welcome to Supernaut, where we explore the inner and outer dimensions of the self. Today we have Seth Seffner on. Seth and his wife Caitlin became my favorite people right when I met them. A lot has changed since then, but the thing that has stayed the same is the high, positive, contagious energy that is Seth. So I asked you to pick a song for us to listen to before we started to get on the same wavelength. What did you pick?
SPEAKER_03So it wasn't exactly a song, kind of, but it's just um motivational speech. Uh one of those, like not really a music person. Like I listen to music basically only when I work out, and then that's sometimes because a lot of times I just listen to those motivational speeches that, like you say, they're they're a song, but it's a motivational speech compared to a song on the radio kind of thing.
SPEAKER_00And this one specifically is one that you listen to a lot.
SPEAKER_03Um, it's on I basically listened to one playlist. I don't know how long it is, but it's one that resonates a lot of us kind of saying I was going through on the way here trying to find it, and there's just so many of them that just resonate super good. And this was just one that I recall hearing all the time and can say to you kind of deal. So I just like this is a good one.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So what are some of the things that it said it was like?
SPEAKER_03Um, it's just the keep like just showing up. Like people, it's you're always, I feel like looking for the as soon as if you're not getting results right away, it's like, well, this ain't working. And that's very, very rarely in life is anything work that way. And if it does, it's probably not really worth it or a great thing, whatever it is that came that easy kind of deal. So just reminding myself, and it's one of those like I feel like um certain people that I listen to, that sort of thing, the people on the their podcast, whatever, um kind of say the I don't even know how to explain it. Not necessarily getting there, if that makes sense. In that short amount of time, I don't know how to explain it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I definitely put on David Goggins when I need to be like yelled at and um hyped up. He's he's my favorite for that. But um, yeah, when do you listen to it the most? Like when you need like in for the gym motivation or what kind of motivation?
SPEAKER_03Gym in life. One of those just I can when I see myself in a a rut a a bad mindset, a rut, a hard place, just to help remind you to keep going, keep showing up. One of those, like it might not be working now, but a lot of like a lot of the things I do, work, workout, whatever, like it's proven to work. You just have to do it. So it's one of those where the gym, you're not always gonna see results, but keep showing up or work, certain things, certain aspects of it. Like, it's not working yet, but this is a long-term thing. So, like I say, it's just keep doing it, keep showing up. The only it's never it's the only time it's for surely not gonna work is when you stop doing it. Then it's for surely not gonna work. But besides that, yeah, as long as you're showing up, you can tweak this, tweak that, keep doing it.
SPEAKER_00Well, like we all have this inner voice in our head that's like so annoying and usually negative. So, like if you're playing that instead, and then it's just like drowning out the voice in our head that is saying, like, you're not good enough, or just quit, you haven't seen results yet.
SPEAKER_03Like, to a point, but also I feel like it changes that voice too. Like it it doesn't silence it, but it it changes it. So that voice isn't always saying that stuff. That voice is saying these things instead of that stuff, and then when you find that voice getting back to, nah, let's just hit the alarm, like it's you have to change that. So it's like I don't I feel like it's not like you're that voice isn't always there and it's not saying those things. That voice can be saying good things as long as you're feeding it that.
SPEAKER_00Did it used to always be there? But the more you've listened to this stuff, it changed?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I would say so. For sure.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Do you remember like what time in your life it changed that you had like listened to enough of it?
SPEAKER_03Not really. It's one of those things that you just eventually realize it changed. You never can really it's not a oh it changed thing. It's uh oh, like it's not there anymore. And then it's not a oh there it is, let's start. It's like, oh like shoot, that voice is back again. Like you don't realize things right away, it's just that eventually like you keep showing up, you know. Like I said, like the you know, and then I don't realize that oh all of a sudden it's gone, or oh, all of a sudden it's back, it's uh it's there, it's chirping at you, and that eventually you realize like, oh what am I doing? Like, yeah, that's let's get back to let's get back to how it's supposed to be kind of deal. And that's just kind of the the cycle of life. I feel like it's you always have to keep showing up, it never ends. Um kind of how I look at all things at the gym. Like that was a big thing for I feel yeah, maybe stealing one of your questions because that's what bring brought it, but like the gym, how I've continued, you continue like it's I forget the stats, but more than 80% of people that lost over 50 pounds gained that 50 pounds or more back. And realizing like I do fall into that category. And I feel like a lot of it is that mindset, that mentality, that change where everybody gets into the gym and starts going to the gym when they're overweight because they want to look better. That's what everybody gets there, and realizing eventually realizing like if you get there, you look good, and then all of a sudden you stop. That's why everything comes back. And just realizing that it is a continuous thing and changing that mindset from that's why I go there to that's just a perk of going there, is you feel better about yourself, not necessarily yourself feeling better, that's a still a reason to go. But like, say little the little perks, the things that you started going to the gym for end up being like, Oh yeah, I forgot, like it does that too kind of thing, where it's a whole different mindset and mentality of going to the gym and why I go to the gym and that sort of thing. And I feel like that's what keeps it that way, is it is part of my schedule, part of my routine. I feel like yester yesterday I was before we started talking about just a day yesterday, shitty day, one of those days, and literally at the end of the day, I was like, What the fuck, dude? Like, why? And like I was just irritated, frustrated, like haven't felt that like not angry, but just like that frustrated, like kind of angry. And like even at work, they're like, Are you okay? Like, what's going on? Like, I never get like that. And I was thinking about it, and we went up to Brainerd this weekend on Thursday. So I never went to the gym since Thursday, and I skipped Monday because I had to catch up with work and wanted to get to work sooner and had meetings and stuff. And literally at the end of Monday, I'm like, Oh, dude, I haven't been to the gym in four days. That's probably why I'm getting so mad so fast. And like, just that that is a piece of it, and like those certain things, and realizing what the benefits actually are, and it's not, oh, you look better, like, yeah, that's a perk, but like the actual benefits of your mindset, your mentality, your mood, everything that it affects in life, just by 30 minutes to an hour in the morning. And they say, not doing it for four days, and like, you know, it's one of those things like I didn't realize it, like, oh yeah, like it was at the very end of the day, just like kind of recapping, and like, what, like, why am I getting this way? And it's like, oh yeah, like didn't go to the gym. So, like this morning it was right to the gym.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that was so self-aware to sit down and realize, like, or think about what what was different that made this day different. You know, everybody at work is noticing it, and yeah. So that just proves that what we listen to and what we let our mind hear makes such a difference. Like, I'm really picky about what songs I listen to. Like, I don't let myself listen to sad or depressed songs because like that's what you're gonna be replaying in your head after you hear that song, you know, for the rest of the day.
SPEAKER_03That's one of my big things of like the whole you s the nine people you surround yourself with, you're gonna be the tenth kind of thing. And that was a big thing I feel like years after kind of like that whole transition of life and being a becoming a better person and everything else, um, is when I started listening to podcasts and realizing like it's not necessarily who you're physically around, it's your mind, your your everything that you're around. So, like listening to podcasts where before you listen to the radio, you listen to a morning show on the way to work, on the way home, you listen to the radio, on the weekends, you're around all your buddies at the bar, and that's what you're around. And then slowly but surely listening to podcasts, listening to different people, listening to other things in life and other whatever, and then eventually, like kind of narrowing it down eventually to the certain people you listen to, and you listen to this one person, and they have a few people on you, like, oh, let's look into this person now. You're listening to this person all the time, and I feel like that was a piece of it as well, and that eventually kind of got to a more specific certain amount of podcasts and people that I listened to on podcast, and I found that those were who I was surrounding myself with, for say more, and that has definitely a huge piece in that change and that transition of a person that I made to, like I said, it's not who you're necessarily hanging out with, but it's the things you're putting in your mind, putting in your body that give that outcome of everything.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Someday the saying's gonna change from you're you're the nine people that you're closest, what to you're the nine podcasts that you listen to the most, you know, because that's really what your what your mind state and lifestyle is.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and it's hundred like it's one of those where I have a mainstay of four so or so podcasts that I pretty much listen to regularly. But then there's oftentimes when you listen to a couple of them and it's like two, like, I just need to listen to something funny, you know, or something like that. Yes, I need to throw something out on a random Friday on the way home, and you're like, I'm gonna just listen to some music for this time home or whatever, but like say, like it's it's it puts your and yourself and your mind and your body all in kind of in tune and like listening to certain like I want to get to this feeling, this whatever, and then listening to that like gets you there, kind of deal. But then also to another point of like there was a when I worked at the gym, there was that was seven, eight months, whatever it was, there was a solid like the last six months of it or so where I would make fun of all like tease all my friends, like you can't listen to the radio when you work, can't listen to music when you work out. And I was on the whole David Goggins kick of like it's what are you gonna do if it's not you use that for your motivation, like what are you gonna do if it's not there? And being able to get yourself to certain motivation mindsets, whatever, without those things. And like I went through that stint too. Of like, dude, I'd my buddies would be working out and I'd go flick their earbuds out or whatever, you know. Yeah, and like reminding yourself that too, that you also need to be able to do things like that.
SPEAKER_00That's so true. I mean, I was so proud of myself because like a couple hours ago, something happened at work, and I was like kind of upset, and I was like, you have got to get out of this. You have a podcast to do tonight, you have to get to Seth's energy level, you know. Um, so I went home and I listened to a meditation, I listened to some music, I listened to some TikToks that like pumped me up, and then I got in like a great mood. But you are so right, like to truly self-soothe, you have to learn to do that without anything. And I think I could go out and spend time in nature for 10, 15 minutes and get the same results. It's just kind of easier to get pumped up by other people still. Yeah. But I like that that you said that because that really should be the goal. Because I always think about the apocalypse happening and like what am I gonna do to be okay? Like, I don't want to take any medication or anything that um I need to be okay, because if the apocalypse happens, you know, I mean hopefully not, but yeah, yeah, yeah, figuring it all out.
SPEAKER_03So that's a big one of just being able to do things on your own as well, and realizing those differences and just being able to reflect on yourself and as far as your decisions and whatever else, and like I say, being able to like overcome them, yeah, whether good or bad, being able to get yourself back to stay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like in The Wizard of Oz, it was within you the whole time. It was always there.
SPEAKER_03Never watched it.
Meeting Seth And Contagious Energy
SPEAKER_00What? Okay, well, then I'll have to be on to-do list. Okay, so when do you think we met? Like, was it 2015, 2016? Did you start coming to Kevs right when it opened?
SPEAKER_03Couldn't tell you. Okay. I think yeah, no, because it was before that because it was Bow's Landing before that.
SPEAKER_01Oh I was good.
SPEAKER_03I guess I can't I don't know when I went there and started drinking. Yeah, but I know like I was good friends with Kendall Bow. His parents had owned it. So I know I I know I had to have been there. Uh I would say it probably was when did Kev's open?
SPEAKER_00Like 2015.
SPEAKER_03So then yeah, I had to have been because I came my.
SPEAKER_00I think that's where I met you guys was when I was bartending and 2000.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I had to have been. Yeah. Okay. I'm terrible with years. Everything blends together, especially those days.
Six Years Trying For Kids
SPEAKER_00I know, I know, for sure. But um, like I said, a lot has changed since then. Um, one of the biggest changing is the blessing of your two sons. It was a struggle for a while to uh for Caitlin to get pregnant. How was that for you from the man's perspective?
SPEAKER_03Um, yeah, it was six years. It was a thousand times harder for her than me because I definitely didn't understand, like understood to a point where she knew and understood everything, and I just understood this isn't working kind of deal. And like I it was hard, obviously, for me too, but like I said, like it was more I was more of just trying to be a supportive, be there for support more so, like trying to understand to a point, but like not a hundred percent understanding the dyschemical, the persistent role of that number's low, we gotta get this to that, we gotta do this, then, this, there, like I was at most of the doctor's appointments, pretty much all of them, not definitely not all of them, but most of them for sure, and like that sort of thing. So, I mean, I was always there and supportive, it wasn't uh her on her own by any means, but like I say, like definitely didn't understand it and comprehend it, I would say, to the point that she did by any means, but definitely just more of a supportive role than anything, I would say.
What Fatherhood Changes In You
SPEAKER_00What's your favorite part of being a father?
SPEAKER_03That's impossible. Um can't pinpoint any of it. Just being a dad in general, really. Like, there isn't there isn't a bad piece, so like you can't have a favorite part when you love all of it, I guess. Like that's impossible to pinpoint the favorite part of everything.
SPEAKER_00Did you always know you wanted to be a dad?
SPEAKER_03No. Never I mean I like to the point of yeah, I want kids, but also to the point of in that time of trying to have a son, like accepting like I guess I just we won't have kids, and like for me, I could accept that. Or like I don't think Caitlin would be able to accept that, and luckily she wouldn't, or if she would have been able to accept it, we would have stopped trying a long time ago and never would have had them. So I mean, thank God that she wouldn't accept that. But for me, like I said, like it was definitely something I wanted to do, but it wasn't uh something I had planned for my whole life to do kind of thing. Like in my heydays, it wasn't like it was a I always live life to who knows what tomorrow's gonna hold, yeah, kind of deal. So like when you live like that, kids aren't on your mind, I would say. You were like assuming that you would someday, but it wasn't like Yeah, I guess it was more of an assumption than anything. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's how how I would say it.
Growing Up Without Knowing Dad
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. And you don't know who your dad is. Do you want to talk about that at all or not?
SPEAKER_03Uh I call myself the most expensive souvenir my mom ever had. My mom went to Jamaica and came back pregnant with me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, so yeah, that's as far as I really know.
SPEAKER_00Was that ever hard? Were you ever like upset about it?
SPEAKER_03No, I guess I never never really thought about it. It was never a thing. I had to be a good one.
SPEAKER_00She was open with you about it right away and I said there's nothing else.
SPEAKER_03We never really talked about it, I guess, but I never really I never I never tried to talk about it either, but I it was never like it was never something that I've really been curious about, I guess. I've always I lived with my grandparents until I was 16 or 17 with my mom and everything. Um, but I always had uncles wrestling coaches. Like I always had father figures, like it was never I don't know, nothing never really crossed like crossed my mind, I guess, before, like tell people whatever, but like it wasn't never never a concern of mine, I guess you could say.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, another mind state thing.
SPEAKER_03For there's a short time, I don't remember how long ago, one of my friends that similar didn't really know his dad at all had got interested and like tried looking him up. Maybe I don't remember exactly, but like I remember there was a short time like oh maybe I should do that, and then it was a week-long stint that never really went anywhere. Like I said, it's nothing I really cared too much about. Didn't really I don't know, didn't really think it'd make a difference in life, I guess. I never really put too much thought or effort into it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Never needed to.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Always been happy enough.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. It feels like another mind state thing of like, you know, when nobody told you that you should be upset about it, then why would you have any reason to be?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I guess I was always a happy jolly kid, I guess I feel like. So it's like saying that I wasn't home with a single mom struggling and everything, and where is my dad? You know, like I never had that to like.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Literally just had this conversation with James um because he said he doesn't understand when kids get upset that their parents get divorced. He's like, I don't understand why anybody would care. Like, like, why would they care? And I'm like, okay, but if you had like a mother and father at home happy, you know, every single evening hanging out, and then that split up, can you understand why then that would be hard? And he's like, Yeah, yeah, I guess. But he's like, but I didn't ever have that to know that I should should have that or don't have it anymore.
SPEAKER_03I remember there was one time at wrestling practice and Brian Hansen was bitching about something his dad has was punishing him for, and this and that, and Tom just freaks out on him. He's like, dude, as there's so many kids on our wrestling team that didn't have dads, didn't know their dads, whatever. And he's like pointing out one by one, he's like, This kid, that kid, that kid. He's like, and you're sitting here bitching about what your dad did to you, or whatever, whatever. And I was like, yeah, like it's just such a normal thing, or like similar, there was one time sitting at Andrew at Tom Youngbloom's house, uh, with it was me, Andrew, Youngbloom, Andrew Roos, who lived there for a while, and Blake Menard. It's just us four at Andrew's house, phone rings, Blake answers it, and me, Andrew, and Andrew are sitting on the couch, and Blake's like, Hey, it's your dad. And Andrew Youngbloom is like, Who's dad? And Blake like looks at him, he's like, Well, it ain't my dad. I'm gonna guess it's not Seth's dad, but it's probably not Roos' dad. Who the fuck's dad do you think it is, you idiot? Like, out of the four of us, like, you know, like it was just normal, I guess, to a point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I remember I think it was Iron Man 2 when have you seen the Iron Man movies?
SPEAKER_03I've seen those ones.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, when he's um, he meets the kid that helps him put together his suit back together in the garage. He's like, Where's your dad? And the kid's like, I don't know, he went out to get cigarettes, and that was, you know, seven years ago. And Iron Man just looks at him, Tony Stark, and is like, well, okay, that you know, that's not a big deal. Like it happens to everybody. And I just remember just being like, Okay, I'm glad James saw that because you know, you don't have to throw yourself a pity party. And a couple episodes ago, uh, Sam was on and he was adopted and he talked about like the struggles of that of you know, early. Like, I think he was four or five. Years old. And so I think everybody's a little different where you know you could like get it in your head and be like, oh, okay, like I have some pain there. And I think that's normal too. It's just great how we're all so different, you know. But if you have a attitude about it like you have, I mean, that's just nice.
SPEAKER_03I'm sure, especially nowadays, like you put a little effort into it, you could probably figure it out, but like what's that gonna change?
SPEAKER_00You do that at 23andMe and figure out and go see them and be like, what's that? Got some weed.
SPEAKER_03The last thing I want to do is go to Jamaica. Like, I don't know, feels like a scary place.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. Um, our editor, Cody, he was actually just there, and um, somebody on their trip got kidnapped for a few hours.
SPEAKER_03Exactly what I'm talking about.
The Village That Raised Him
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um so yeah, I was gonna ask who your male influences were, like, who uh showed you how to be such a good dad, but it sounds like you had a lot of uncles and your grandparents and yeah, to a point.
SPEAKER_03Um there's a lot of good role models, like never that's I was thinking about it the other day. Like there's it was to a point, like you know, like there's a line of a dad's role and an uncle's role. And I mean I I definitely like my grandpa and stuff like that, but he was I don't know how old when I was born. His grandpa I was the young one of the youngest in my gener or no, my little sister's younger, but so like basically one of the youngest in my generation. So like say like he was a dad. He was I grew up with him, was raised by him, but also like I never had a birds and the bees talk with anybody, or like those random things that even I'm sure there's plenty of kids with dads that never had that talk. So like I don't feel like I literally missed out on a bunch of things, but like there wasn't one I feel like it was almost better that way because it wasn't just one specific uh role model that they do something not wrong, but like you have so many different examples of things that you can put them all together to find your best one or your one thing, or your dad's into motocross, so you're into motocross. Well, like I had uncles that were into hunting and fishing. Well, my grandma, like you know, like those sort of things, and like having a whole bunch of different role models, like wrestling coaches, that sort of thing, where it was such a mixture, there wasn't necessarily one that overpowered the other, and that's how we used to live, like in tribes, you know, where like everybody kind of raised you.
SPEAKER_00So that could be really good.
SPEAKER_03Like even a mother figure, like my aunts. Like I remember, like I don't remember now, but they tell me the stories of like so my one specific aunt and uncle that I was always with, they're so it was that uncle. I have two uncles that are brothers, and they're a family of 13 kids, I think. And I was always they live up an aisle, I was always with them always when I was little. And the one specific one, the they're the reamers, that Reamer family literally thought I was their child because I was with them so much, and like so young when I was first going with them. Like, my mama pretty sure went back to work instantly, and so like my aunt is who would usually watch me or whatever. I don't know the whole circumstance, but they say how like they literally his family thought I was their legitimate child, like they didn't adopt somebody, like they legitimately thought I was their child. Like, so like say, like it just had my family, you could probably say it's like that tribal back in the day where it was just you raised each other where like there was nothing like they did to me, and then I'll go back to my mom. Oh mom, like that wasn't a thing, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, they were all the adults, they were all guardians.
SPEAKER_03My I just as much respect for my aunts as I did my mom, you know. Like I have the same the same thing where like Yeah.
SPEAKER_00A friend was just telling me a theory of like how you are aren't really supposed to raise your kids. Your grand the grandparents are supposed to raise the kids because like when you're at the age of having children, like you wanna build things, you wanna work on your career, you're like hustling, you're doing all this stuff. And so, you know, maybe the grandparents, instead of like, you know, going down to down south for the winter and just like laying on the beach, maybe they should be raising the kids because they're like calmer, they're gonna be sweeter and more understanding and they have the life experience. Like, I can kind of picture a world like that.
SPEAKER_03I wouldn't want that in a lot of people.
SPEAKER_00I mean, like right now you wouldn't want to not raise your kids, but I mean imagine raising your grandkids.
SPEAKER_03But think of how when you or like the video, whatever you see people, how their mother is treating their son or whatever, and they're like, I never got this type of like you know, and I so that I feel like all grandparents would just baby the piss out of women.
SPEAKER_00That's true, maybe. But if it wasn't if it was that way for like enough generations, you know.
SPEAKER_03Maybe and then that's probably too where they don't see them super often, so they do spoil them a little bit extra and stuff.
SPEAKER_00Maybe if they we were in a society where they were the disciplinary, and you know, not that the parents like would just not be there at all, but I don't know, I can see it. I think that could be a nice world.
SPEAKER_03Maybe. Yeah. No, no, yeah.
SPEAKER_00You're like, nobody's raising my kids.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I just see two problems.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But um, I feel like you'll be the grandpa that's like super hands-on and young and fit and everything, anyways, too, you know.
SPEAKER_03So that's the goal. That's the goal I see. Everybody people ask you, why you're gonna go? What are you training for? Life, life. Like I don't wanna be a burden. I wanna be there.
Time Money And Anti Aging
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. I heard on a podcast last week, um, if you could uh trade lives with Warren Buffett right now, would you?
SPEAKER_03But I'd be as old as he is right now.
SPEAKER_00But you'd have all that money. Right. So it proves that being young is more valuable than money. And we're young. Right, for sure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you're just giving up a whole bunch of time for money.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So like nobody would do that. Absolutely nobody would trade lives with Warren Buffett right now. So that shows how much more important time is than money. Yeah. Also on the podcast, they were talking about like, I mean, there's lots of people saying that the kids born today will be able to live forever. Cause like this guy, it was on diary of a CEO and it was like an anti-aging expert from Harvard, and he was talking about all they're like giving mice, they're like doing studies with mice right now to like reverse their age, not just stop it, but like reverse it. Wouldn't that be crazy?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I was heard some of that stuff. I don't know. Too much to think about.
SPEAKER_00Right? It's a lot, it's intense.
SPEAKER_03You just lose the purpose of everything, I feel like.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, if you can live forever, like what makes it an especial and important.
SPEAKER_03What aren't you gonna push off till tomorrow?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, right. I could see like a deep like generational depression happening, but then like they're saying, like, we'll just look back on this as the same as we look at cat caveman days.
SPEAKER_03But I mean, so then you either have to A eventually kill people, or B, stop having children.
SPEAKER_00Or C go to other planets.
SPEAKER_03But you still wouldn't be able to ship people off that fat. Like in the amount of time if they say this generation could live forever, that means by the time they're within the next 60 years, you have to be able to populate other planets. Like that's yeah unforeseen. That's not I know.
SPEAKER_00I mean, who knows? I like thinking about listening about it.
SPEAKER_03Me and you talking about it, not yeah, the people actually for sure. Bro science, I guess, yeah, to a point.
Wrestling Built Discipline For Life
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So uh you were in wrestling in high school. What age did you start?
SPEAKER_03Kindergarten for sure, maybe preschool.
SPEAKER_00What got you into it?
SPEAKER_03Uh my brother wrestled. My brother was wrestler, my sister was wrestling manager.
SPEAKER_00Oh, nice.
SPEAKER_03Couldn't afford hockey. It was short.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03This kind of was the thing to do, I guess.
SPEAKER_00What did wrestling teach you in high school that the classroom kinda everything.
SPEAKER_03I can't tell you one thing now that I learned from high school. But the person I am and the way I became was because of wrestling. I would say. Wrestling's the only reason I got through school. I would have definitely dropped out a long time ago. Who knows when. The only reason I passed classes was so I could wrestle. And it was like I didn't realize it. I thought um not commitment, um discipline. Like I thought like a dev a hundred percent discipline where I didn't realize it at the time, but now I understand it. Like I always thought discipline was doing your homework and being a good student and like that sort of thing. So like going being home when you're supposed to be home, listening to your parents. Like I thought that was discipline where I was the opposite of that, but realizing not eating supper, making weight every time you had to make weight, running, not cheating on whatever workout, whatever exercise, running stairs, whatever it was, not cheating on that. Like that was discipline that I 100% learned. Like I can specifically remember one time at the buffet, going to the buffet, and grandma, grandma was like, Oh, you're not eating. I was like, No, that's I have to make weight. Like I can't eat a buffet. And like, not no I never even at that time, like I didn't realize that was discipline, but like that sort of thing. And um I everything, everything is pretty much what I learned was from wrestling, I guess you could say, like, kind of trickled into the whole time. I knew the whole time I was gaining weight, I knew I was gonna lose it eventually. Like, never in my mind did I think I was gonna be this way forever because of wrestling, because I knew I could lose weight because I did it my whole life, which yeah, I had to do it a completely different way, but I didn't know that. It was always in my mind, like it was just a certain pound, a certain pound, like for it was when I hit 200 pounds. Like, as soon as I hit 200 pounds, then we'll start losing weight. Well, that number just kept growing, and eventually I hit 260, whatever it was. Like, all right, now's the time, and uh just let's go run, let's barely eat, barely drink, whatever, like high school thoughts mentality. Uh didn't make it a block before I was cradling my shins and limping back to my house, like, all right, we're gonna have to replan this, but it I didn't stop, I didn't give up. I knew I had to get there and what I was going to, I just didn't know how I was gonna do all them steps and how I was gonna get there. And that wrestling discipline, I knew I was gonna get there. There was I joke now, like I I did it the worst way possible. Like I would never want or teach any wrestler kid to do what I did to lose weight, but like now I'll joke and tease them, you know, they'll be I got three more pounds to lose, whatever, whatever, two days, whatever. I was like, when I went in on days that I had to weigh in, when I went in in the morning to school, if I was less than 10 pounds overweight, I was happy. So meaning I would lose 10 pounds before 3:30, whatever time we had to weigh in. And like that was just what I did. So, like say, like I always knew I could lose the weight and get there eventually. I just had to readjust that plan, and it was wasn't a seven-hour school day that I had to lose in, it was probably three or four years of my life, um, and then forever to continue. But like I say, like it was just adjusting that plan. But wrestling is the heart of that plan, and it was branching off from there kind of to a point. But like I say, it was pretty much everything and everything, anything I do.
SPEAKER_00Like you knew you had that discipline installed in you, and you could like touch at the end.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it was never a question of am I gonna stop doing this? It was just uh, all right, time to readjust that plan, keep time to keep showing up, not say readjust, do something a little bit different because this wasn't working, but it's not a this isn't working, I'm done. It was uh, all right, like I know I'll get there. It was just getting there. Now it's kind of the similar where I'm now kind of been at the same same-ish weight, everything for a few couple years, two, three years, and it's kind of that deciding knowing like I can be here now, I can maintain and be this for the rest of my life, or do I wanna take the next step? Do I wanna adjust, readjust this plan and do th go harder into it, but uh knowing what I would have to give up to do that, and still it's been a year that I've been debating on how far do I wanna take it, kind of thing. And just knowing like the meals, the time, and just the things that you have to give up in order to take that next step. And I just haven't been willing to give them things up yet. Like kind of making sure like I am satisfied to a point, but not satisfied with like alright, no, I'm done, stop going to the gym, like that sort of thing. Like I'm satisfied with maintaining where I'm at for now, I guess, if that makes sense. You say just knowing like the Alex. I don't want to get I don't want to go as far as him, and I'm not I'm not gonna get right now, yeah. The things that I would have to give up to get to that sort of physique and everything else that he's at.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But how far do I want to go? Because I say I know I know I want to go further than I am now, but just when in life do I want to do that? It's like once you decide you're gonna go all in, so maybe you're a little bit hesitant to make the decision because you know that your discipline's gonna kick in and you're gonna like I've done I've done it multiple times where I do it for a few months and see results, but like, alright, yeah, let's just let's go get five months, six months, whatever it's gonna be, and I'm gonna get kind of back to where I am now basically, and like, alright, let's just maintain there again for a little bit, and then I'll alright, let's do this switch and I'll do it for a few months and then pull back again. And I always adjust from running more at the gym, trying to run more to lifting heavy and that sort of thing. So it's just uh I look at it as it's life, like I'm gonna be doing it forever. So if I wanna do this for a few months, I'll do that for a few months and like that sort of thing. So like I say, I haven't taken that physique type jump, but just adjusting those things in the gym, I feel keep me maintained and stay where I'm at.
Peptides And Healing A Torn Calf
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. Well, last week I learned about peptides. Um, and so I heard that you just started too, and you started BPC157, which promotes angiogenesis, like literally stimulates growth of new blood vessels, one of the most researched peptides for vascular health.
SPEAKER_03Healing, it's for healing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I actually ordered that and I'm getting it tomorrow. But I got the it's a blend of that one and TB500 and GHKCU. So that's the wolverine blend. So it's like all the healing, but this hair growth.
SPEAKER_03It's only super, it's unless you're actually in like you like I only did it because I tore my calf and I needed to heal my calf before freestyle. So like some of those are only good for like say for healing purposes that all peptides take a suck from something. So like that's why you're supposed to cycle them. You're not supposed to stay on them forever for a long, super long time period. And so, like, I I just know just I only know the um BPC 157 and TP TB500 specifically because those are what I was looking into for my calf. And like I say, they can when you're working out, like basically take from your muscle growth because it's so recovery focused, kind of. I'm butchering the science behind it, but it's not basically there's they're only I think it may be maybe the TB500 one. One of them, I think maybe it's a TB500. I think one of them you only really want to take if you have an acute muscle injury.
SPEAKER_00Hmm. Well, I do. Well, I don't know if it's acute, but um, yeah, my back, I'm really hoping it can heal because I've been working with this running coach for a while and it's like so much ups and downs. So I'm really hoping this can help.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm excited.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so yeah, I like into all that science and whatnot to a point. I only understand so much of it, so I don't super deep dive into it because I it's over my head to a point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So how fast, how much quicker do you think it helped heal?
SPEAKER_03Crazy. So I tore it. So originally I had been running it quite a bit and my calf was hurting. So I just run a bunch at the gym. I don't remember how much, but I was in the shower, had the bathroom heated up, and I was stretching. So I was just stretching way down, but then I was like kind of shooting up, like powering up, tightening up my calf and stuff. I don't even remember what I was doing it on. I might have just been doing it on my toe. And on one of those on my right calf, when I did that, it popped and dropped me, and I was like, oh. And I don't know how many few years ago, five years ago, whatever, I ruptured a muscle in my left calf, like a real small muscle, but it ruptured, so I mean it's just exploded and went into a ball and then absorbed, so like the muscle's gone now. And so like I did that, and like that I couldn't walk for I had a boot on for six weeks, I physically couldn't walk for four or three, something like that. Like it was a my only actual injury I've ever had, and so like it kind of felt like that at first. I was like, uh-oh, like like got scared for a second, but then realized that like the next day I was a little bit better, and like I was walking after three or four days, it still hurt and walking a little bit goofy or whatever. But so I knew it wasn't terrible, and I was going to little kids' wrestling practice and stuff, so I pretty much stopped doing that, was just there not really doing anything, just there helping. And then it was probably a month or so later I was showing a move and like I wasn't exploding, just doing it slow, and I did it again, and this time it was worse when I like this exact same thing happened, just worse. Retore it, and I was like, Oh, and like that one hurt bad. And then I had freestyle in a month, and I was like, I gotta do something to get this better. I knew Alex, so I talked to him about it a little bit, so then I was like, I was gonna do both of those, and I ended up just doing the BPC 157, and so I started doing that, having Caitlin put it in my calf, and so then after it was probably like a week after it happened, I got the big old bruise right below my calf, and had a bruise for three weeks. Like when I started freestyle practice, I still had a bruise there, and so I started BPC 157 a few days, less than a week after it happened. So I probably was on it for three-ish weeks, two and a half weeks, when the first freestyle practice started, and I was nervous, now it was kind of like gun shy to do it again, one of those you'd hurt it, and you get nervous to do it again. So I was super nervous to hurt it again. So I was pretty cautious about it. But like I said, the first time I did it, when I redid it wrestling at little kids, I wasn't doing anything hard whatsoever. Well, right shortly before wrestling, a couple of days I was at the gym and it was feeling pretty good. So I did like just stretched it out a little bit and kind of tight tense it up a little bit, flex it just to kind of test it a little bit, and went up on my toe and stuff. So I was like, alright, like it's not gonna tear as easy as it did last time again. So I was feeling pretty good and had two weeks of practice. First week I took it easy but still showed moves and did everything. Second week I was a lot less cautious because I was feeling way more confident. And now I wanna say this was week four last three, last week, three or four, whatever. Um, but now I'm full blown wrestling 100% again, and it was roughly the same time frame as tearing it the second time, where I was barely did anything and I retore it. And now, like I said, basically that same amount of time frame, taking that BPC 157. I'm full blown wrestling 100% with a 200 pound kid, K. I don't know if you know Cam, he's the assistant coach, assistant coach for the varsity team, 27 years old, wrestled college for five years, like a stud. 200 pounds, like full blown wrestling with him, good to go.
SPEAKER_00Awesome.
SPEAKER_03So like yeah, I would. Super way crazy, and I like that was that was even more mind-blowing to me actually experiencing it where like I've listened to all of about it and knew about it for a super long time, and like you hear all the stories, but experiencing it yourself, you're like, What is going on in this world? Like, why is this not something you can go to Walgreens and get? Like, not necessarily Walgreens, obviously, but like you know, like why is this not way, way a thousand times easier to get? And why wouldn't this be something a doctor's like, hey, use this?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03It's cheap.
SPEAKER_00It's don't they want us to heal our bodies?
SPEAKER_03No, not at all. That's not big pharmaceutical. I don't think.
Mind Muscle Connection And Genetics
SPEAKER_00Right. Mm-hmm. What were you telling me a couple weeks ago about like when you uh figured out how to isolate your muscles when you're exercising? Remember you were just telling me?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So just your um there's a word, phrase, um, whatever it's called when you use just the letters of the acronym? Acronym for it. Uh I forget it, but it's just your mind muscle connection.
SPEAKER_00Like, oh yeah, so you experienced your your mind and your muscle.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like actually experience and realize when a specific muscle is firing. Or like I was kind of saying, like, you can't necessarily not necessarily that I can make a specific muscle fire, but doing a squat, I could tell the difference in your quads or your hamstrings and being able to make the slight adjustment. Like I say, you're not just adjusting it in your mind, but you're making a slight, whether it's your feet, your knees, whatever the case may be, being able to make them slight adjustments and feel, okay, yes, now my hamstrings are firing, or now my quads are firing, or whatever. And yeah, it's crazy to be able to feel it and really like you think like, oh, my leg muscles are my bicep or whatever, and like knowing there's this many different bicep muscles, and this turning your thumb from here to here or to here, like just the minor tweaks in form and range and posture, whatever, to it make a different muscle fire. Or being able to just not make a like my shoulders, I just I can't figure it out. Can't figure it out.
SPEAKER_00But I feel like it'll click at some point, you know.
SPEAKER_03Um maybe, I'm sure. Like I said, it could be like I don't know whether it is clicking, and I just I feel like uh I feel like your genes are don't hinder you, but like they have a huge thing to do with it too. Not that I couldn't get my shoulders bigger if I really focused on it, but I just feel like like my legs, they're a thing that because of my genes, they're just bigger. Like, yeah, you can make it bigger or smaller with your specific trainings, but like your genes also, it's your base and what you start with and how much easier it's gonna be to do things, I would say. Doesn't say you can or can't do certain things, it does to a point. I'm never gonna have chicken legs, you know. But yeah, so I say like your genes have a pretty big role in things too. I would say I'm never if I took certain things, yeah, I could probably go get a big bolder shoulder, but just a natural trying to do it on my own without whatever, even a coach or whatever, I'm sure they could definitely help out and make things better. But like I said, it's just one of those things. You have big legs, shoulders, you gotta give and take somewhere. I just feel shoulders is one of those things for me that just I'll accept small shoulders, it's fine.
SPEAKER_00But what's something that you uh know about your body now that you wish you would have known when you were 20?
SPEAKER_03Um there's I guess I wouldn't say there's things I know about my body. It's kind of I don't know that I know anything new about it, but knowing how to adjust it, accept not accept it, but yeah, I would say like more so just the whole mind connection, the working out, like those sort of things are new. I wish I would have known sooner, but they're uh they come with time, you don't just know it kind of thing. But I I wouldn't say I necessarily know new things about my body now that I would like to back then. Definitely about myself, but yeah.
SPEAKER_00So is the gem still about performance for you, or has it shifted into like mental health or longevity or identity?
Gym As Mental Health Baseline
SPEAKER_03Um, it's definitely not for show. It's the mental health definitely was an adapted thing, and it is for surely that now, like I say, as I was kind of telling you both today yesterday, like it's uh for surely a mental thing as well now, but it's it's just a maintenance thing. I feel like it's it's not a questionable thing, like am I gonna work out? I feel like so it's not really I don't have it, it doesn't go into that category.
SPEAKER_00It's just you never have to convince yourself, like you're just going.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I mean it's a battle ever like it's a conven like to the point of that person on your shoulder. Like, I don't want to go to the gym every morning. Like who I don't know how to explain it. Like, I do like I do want to go to the gyms f because I know what it's doing for me. But yet like you you don't want to get up and go to the gym. Who nobody wants everybody wants to the motivation isn't just there, yeah. But like I said, it's not uh like a motivation if it's a it's a feeling. Feelings always change. There's never a feeling there, always. So if you only go to the gym on motivation, like you're gonna be there more times than not. So it's just not even like a job. It's it's like brushing your teeth. It's like taking it's like taking a shower. Like you it's just what you do like.
SPEAKER_00Whether you feel like it or not.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. It's a question, like it's a question every day. And then there's the like before I used to go seven days a week, or now sometimes and usually I can't tell you the last time I went on a Sunday, and Saturday Saturdays is where it's a maybe I'll go, maybe I won't, but it's the week is the we're there.
SPEAKER_00Like now you know if you go to a water park on Friday and don't work out Friday, Saturday, then to have a good Monday, you have to go Sunday.
SPEAKER_03And usually usually I do something at the hotel, whatever gym when we're there, but we have our family, my brother's family, and just enjoy it while we're there. And I feel it's one of those things like I don't know who I heard it from when I heard it, but like you have a cheat meal, you drink a coke, you slip up, you do something that you're regretting after you do it. Like, what's the point in regretting it? Like you did it, just accept it and move on.
SPEAKER_00But maybe not do it two days in a row, or miss the gym two days in a row, or yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Accepting it, move on, get back to normal. Where going to the gym every day of the week that's normal. Missing a day isn't normal. So, like you say, like you drink a coke, it's not normal. Enjoy it, enjoy it while you did it, and you made that decision, so enjoy it. That's why you made it because you want to enjoy it, so enjoy it, but then get back to normal.
SPEAKER_00Because if you regret it, you're just gonna spiral.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, 100%. As soon as you regret it, as soon as you're like, I didn't go to the gym yesterday, it's a point in going today, like that. And you're now you're fighting all of those demons back over again, where you accept it and like you made that decision, good or bad, don't go to the gym, coke, whatever, enjoy it. That's like that was the whole point of making it. That's what that enjoyment that you're going to get. You thought about the enjoyment you're going to get by doing that. It's like I'm that's why you made it.
SPEAKER_00It's like I'm addicted to the regret feeling. Because I never actually enjoy it. I just want to feel the regret, which is so stupid.
SPEAKER_03And every once in a while, like it's it's there. Like everyone, you stop at McDonald's, and it's like, God definitely shouldn't have done that, but let's just we did it, let's do it, and let's move on. Yeah. And then also using it, like, all right, I stopped yesterday. Let's let's go, let's go a month now with not or whatever, like using that as well to propel yourself, to motivate yourself. Not with regret and beating yourself up, but uh, all right, we did that, accept it, and now using it as well, not just like I say, getting over it and forgetting about it, pretending you didn't do it, but using it to propel yourself as well.
Coaching Kids With Tailored Support
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So now that you're a coach, do you see yourself in any of the kids? Like, do you have any regrets with that? Of like, I wish in high school I would have pushed this part of my system harder. I wish I would have done that.
SPEAKER_03That's all it is. Like all like to regret that that point, like, yeah, like I regret most of the decisions I made in high school. Like I was lucky to do the things that I did.
SPEAKER_00But now because uh you can listen to your own advice and be like, I'm gonna let go of regretting it because you lived, you did what you wanted to do back then.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, oh 100%. But like it's also like the um remembering it. And like just had a conversation this weekend with a wrestler going through a rough spell, whatever you want to call it, and remembering remind remembering when I was in there, and like I still try to remember so many coaches say the same things and tell you the same things that you already know. I don't need like some people do, like, yeah, I need that little reminder, but I wasn't that person, and I I guess I think I propel my propel my coaching that way where in wrestling the wrestlers down and the coach get up, get up, is dude. You don't think they're trying, like they know to get up, like so I don't I don't do those things or and like say like so just trying to remember and what would have maybe helped me or done something, what would I appreciate? How would I have liked to been talked to maybe and like take that aspect, but also knowing like everybody accepts and needs things differently, so trying to have that be able to do it however, but like also recalling on my experiences and like knowing and kind of saying, like, I'm gonna tell you this, and I know it's not an easy thing to do, and I know it's something you might never get because I'm telling you this now that I'm 34 years old. I didn't realize this till I was 30 years old, that I wish I would have realized in high school. So you might get it, you might not. You might not understand this until you're 30 years old, but this is what I wish somebody would have told me and I would have got it. Maybe somebody did tell me and I just don't remember it. Right. But trying to do that sort of thing, and yeah, I it's it's changed. Like I guess Mora specifically has changed quite a bit. Their wrestling program, or now it's like not just a bunch of troubled kids that that's the only thing they have, and what like they're actually good kids that get good grades and that sort of things, too. So it is a little not different, but like there aren't not that oh mine was so much rougher or anything like that, but just they're probably coming from a little different aspect and have a little bit different mindset, background, what however you want to say it to than I had, like realizing like yeah, in high school, like like I said, not making excuse or regretting, but like, yeah, in high school, most kids probably weren't didn't most kids probably got done with wrestling practice, went home, showered, ate, relaxed, enjoyed the night. Most kids probably didn't get done with wrestling practice and try to figure out like, all right, whose house am I gonna sleep at tonight, or do I gotta sleep in the car in the parking lot? Whatever, stupid stuff like that that oh, dude, again I guess making finding an excuse for myself, I guess, kind of to a point where why I didn't do the things that I think I could have done in high school now, which it is what it is, but they can say kind of that with the kids that I coach just knowing everybody comes from a different background, knowing some kids need to get yelled at, some kids need to get pushed, some kids that's the last thing that they need, and trying to figure out what each kid needs, wants, and will excel from. So it's it's fun, it's enjoyable, and it's it's nice having that background to be able to relate to those kids and maybe be that person that those kids need in whatever time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we talk a lot on here about like how people need support differently. So, like tell people how you need support or ask people how they'd like to be supported. But with the kids, that's tough because they're not gonna really know how to tell you. I mean, you could ask them, and some of them might be self-aware enough to say, like, yeah, if you could say this, if you could, you know, yell this, if you could do whatever. But again, like they're just kids, they don't really know yet. And when you do help them in ways like they might not hear it for 20 years, they'll look back and be like, Oh, should have listened to that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and to like I tell them, it's nice for my wrestling academy that's it's not there's a zero team to it. So I tell them, like, I'm not here to be your drill instructor, I'm not gonna make you do anything you don't want to do. I'm just here to make you better. However much better you want to be, however hard you want to push yourself, I'm here to help you, I'm here to get you there. But I'm not gonna be the one that if you don't wanna drill hard, I'm more is that gonna win you a state title doing that? Probably not. Like, I'm not gonna sit here and yell at you like I do it for fun. It's not a high school sport that they're filling a coaching position, like it's not anything that me or the kids have to do. So we're all of us are there for fun, because we want to get better, because we enjoy it, all of those things. So, like I said, I'm not gonna sit there and yell at you so that I'm upset, now you're upset. Like, that's that's not what this program is. It's gonna make you as much as much better as you wanna get, if that makes you know, like so I like say if you it's it's on you to push yourself hard, to drill hard, to do all those sort of things. I'll show you the moves, I'm gonna instruct it, I'm gonna help correct you, I'm gonna I'm gonna make you wrestle live and do all those sort of things, but it's the sport where it's really easy to look like you're wrestling hard and not be wrestling hard. Stalling, like you can work as hard as you want and practice and get through the whole practice. So, like I say, it's on you to actually make yourself work hard. You know if you're tired or not, you know if you can push a little bit harder, you know, like it's I'm not I'm not gonna be hounding you, like it's up to you to do that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so when you see a kid's potential and that they're not working hard enough to reach that potential, does that get to you?
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_00You're like, okay, that's your life.
SPEAKER_03I'll talk to them and like try, but like I don't haven't done it long enough either to be not super good, but like no a hundred percent, like you have potential, like you need to do like I don't I'm no whisperer, like I don't know, like I'm just gonna I treat everybody the same. Like whether you're I guess I would say I favor some to a point where the ones that want the help more than the ones that don't, like if you don't want the help, like I'll still come help you. Hey, you do this wrong, let's put your hand here and do that. But the ones that are coming to me, asking me questions, and I can see how much harder they're working than for say this group or whatever, yeah, I'm gonna give them a little bit more because they want a little bit more. That's what this is all about. If you are all like that, wanting that, like you're all gonna get that. But I can only spend so much time with this person that they're there, they signed up, like they want to get better, so they're not just there for fun, so I'm not gonna just ignore them, but I'm gonna help them. But as soon as they can say they're not not excelling, but not asking for help, or I can kind of see that they're just kind of over me helping them, over me, like instructing them on no, dude, you just gotta make this one little switch or whatever. They're kind of getting frustrated, like, all right, time to go to this next group. And then this person that say they're doing the exact same thing, but they're like, no, like hold on, like I'm still doing it wrong, like they're eager to make that correction. Yeah, I'm gonna give them a few extra seconds because they're eager and wanting it, and you're getting frustrated. Yeah, the next time we're drilling that and you're still doing it wrong, I'm gonna come over and correct you again, but I'm not gonna sit here and push you till you're frustrated and then now you are upset and like do I even want to go to practice again? Like, no, that's not what it's about. So, like, like I said, I'm giving as much as they want, as much as they'll take, I guess.
SPEAKER_00That's so nice to be like such an accepting presence in their life.
SPEAKER_03Even you know to the point of my little cousin, he graduated last year, but I was wrestling with him all year long, at least once a week, and he was a three-time state champ, and talking to him about everything, you know, working out all this stuff, like pulling him back, where he was one that goes too hard, was still lifting super heavy at the beginning of the season. While he's losing weight, he's lifting super heavy. I was like, no, dude, like don't lift super heavy. So, like, even as far as you're whatever you want to talk, whatever you want to get out of me, I'll give it to you. That kind of thing. So, like I said, like even as far as pulling things back, we're like, all right, let's not do that. That's a little too much.
SPEAKER_00However, like you're you're were you're worthy without pushing yourself that hard. Like, that seems like you're like really showing them acceptance.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so I just try to try to help and be there as much as I can. There's no crazy, like, say coat commitment or what I guess like girl, like it's the other sports season. So even they're wrestlers, but now they have softball, they have baseball, they have track, whatever the case may be. And I've had kids ask, like, I really want to be here, but I have this, and so I'm not gonna be able to make Wednesdays or whatever the case may be. I was like, 100%. Like, you come in just Mondays, you come in every other week, whatever. Like, as much as you can come in, happy to have you. So, like I said, um try to be pretty open and accepting and willing and as much as to anybody and everybody, but then also not that I've never wanna stay title. I can't say, Oh, I know exactly what it takes, but I can try to help you get there. And if you want this much extra, or should I do this or this? And you want my opinion, like I'll gladly give it to you.
SPEAKER_00Cause I think I'd have a hard time because if I'd see like potential in somebody and that they were like kind of wasting it away, I think I would like to take that personally and like I feel that's exactly what I did though.
SPEAKER_03So it's kids are kids, you'll do what you do. I'm not gonna Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And you had somebody that was accepting you for you, I imagine, with Tom and the other coaches. Yeah, so you learn that you learn that that's what these kids need too.
SPEAKER_03I remember Tom asked me if I wrestled for I don't remember what coach it was, fully one of those coaches, old time rough coaches or whatever. How I think I would have done if I wrestled for them. I was like, I probably would have quit wrestling in ninth grade. Like so, like so there are you have to figure the kids out, and you just can't treat them all the same. And so even though I'm not that pushy, yell at you person, um Yeah. You know that wannabe always, I guess. I don't know. I I'm not I'm not that person, so I even if I'll bark every once in a while, but like it's usually I'll giggle to a different coach got them in line.
Health Buzz From Peptides To RFK
SPEAKER_00You know Yeah, yeah, for sure. Um, okay, so you listen to podcasts about health and stuff. Like what else is exciting in the health community right now? Anything?
SPEAKER_03Um I think peptides is pretty much the biggest thing that I know of right now. Um RFK, all the stuff that he does is kind of a game changer for a lot of things, I feel like. In a good way. Um I don't I can't tell you all the stuff he's done or what he's all doing and that all of it's a hundred percent good. I don't don't know enough, don't dive deep enough to know or have an opinion, I guess. But like I say, I think I've the amount of hours I've listened to him and the things that I do know that he's been doing, I feel like are all good things. And yeah, I don't I'm not a haun peptides, I think, are the biggest. Like I say, I I only know so much, so I only dive so deep just because to a point it's just all over your head, and you're like, I just listened to an hour and a half of that, and I I didn't really get much out of it because I don't understand it enough.
Drinking Less And The Real Why
SPEAKER_00I know, right? But I am so so excited about peptides. Um, okay, so drinking. We used to drink together a lot. When is the last time you drank? Have you been a drinker lately? Okay. That's how often do you drink?
SPEAKER_03It varies. It varies widely, but uh any in the last year, I'd say I've drink maybe five times. Right.
SPEAKER_00And we used to drink like five times a week.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I say now it's it's been more recent. This just this last last month. Uh I went to my buddy's birthday, but like now I was my buddy's birthday. No, what was that? Yeah, it was my buddy Nate's birthday. Went to down to the cities. I think I had four drinks. And that was a lot for me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, when's the last time you were drunk?
SPEAKER_03I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Like so this weekend we were at the water park Thursday. Thursday I had one. Tuesday or Friday. Friday I had two.
SPEAKER_00Can you tell the next morning when you have one or two?
SPEAKER_03Just on my breath, usually.
SPEAKER_00Or just my mouth taste in my mouth, but not But not in your workouts, you don't notice, like working out the next morning, like I don't.
SPEAKER_03I don't it's the only time I ever do is usually like say Friday or when I was there. Like I it's one of those where if I do it, it's a Friday night or something, and I pretty much just accept like alright, I'm probably not I'm not gonna go to the gym tomorrow, and I'm gonna just go sleep in and it's get some sleep kind of deal. Um I don't think it would really, just because I guess I don't drink enough. I feel that I probably still have a little bit of the whole regret thing afterwards. I haven't it's uh I feel like that's like I said, whole like accept it, enjoy it, get over it. It's a case by case basis. Like I don't I can't just do that always every single time. Like I try, but like so the drinking thing, it's still have a little bit of regret sometimes of because I'm still similar to saying, I'm still up in the air of like, am I just gonna stop drinking? Like I just haven't made that commitment yet, just because I don't I don't feel like I have a problem with it anymore. So I just and I don't do it enough to feel the negative effects and that sort of thing. So I just still am up in the air of like, do I want to just quit drinking or do I not? So I kind of still have regrets sometimes when I do, of like, should I have done that? Like, and not necessarily regret, but it's kind of I feel like it's part of that process of feeling out if I want to just stop forever or not. It's kind of let myself feel and absorb what are the consequences of what I just did to how much extra enjoyment did I just get. And so like it's kind of a weighing it. So I guess I wouldn't necessarily say I'm regretting it, I'm more of trying to feel try to feel the regrets, I guess you could say. Why do I not want to do this anymore?
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03That makes sense. Right now it's to the point, like there's so few on each side that it's I don't feel like I'm harming myself enough to give it up, but also every time I do it, I was like, how much extra enjoyment did I get out of that? So it's literally like a I'm not getting extra enjoyment out of it, but I'm also not feeling enough negative effects to stop.
SPEAKER_00But you're being self-aware and like trying to figure out it's like an experiment. You're trying to figure out like, how is this making me feel? What are the pros and cons? And then, yeah, someday maybe you'll get to the point where you're like, yeah, it's just not worth it anymore, but maybe you'll just keep like this forever. Whatever.
SPEAKER_03Kind of too. I feel like I'm a little bit scared to say, I'm never gonna do this anymore, because then it's pressure, whatever you want to say, like if I do do it. Just now it's like I told myself I was never gonna do that again, and now I do did it. Where I'm like, maybe I'll do it again, maybe I won't. I haven't quite decided yet. And then if I do do it, it's like, all right, let's feel it out. Versus if I feel like if I did make that decision and then I did do it, now I would probably have those regrets, and I would have to fight, not spiraling down that, oh, I said I was never gonna and like that whole thing. So say it's probably a little bit of A, a little bit of B, a little bit of me contemplating trying to figure it out, but also a little bit of me avoiding just saying no forever. One of those midlife, I'm not harming myself enough to completely stop kind of thing.
SPEAKER_00So your drinking has drastically slowed down. Was there ever a time where it was really hard though to go from how much we used to drink to like or was having the kids just kind of made it easy?
SPEAKER_03Drinking was never, it was just the fear of missing out. I've I feel I've always been like to a point the I just want to fit in. I just want to fit in, like that kind of person. So feeling like, oh if I stop doing this, like I'm not gonna fit in anymore. So it was never the like I have to drink, it was more of the I have to be with that crowd, I have to fit in, I would say. And getting over that was not hard, but the bigger factor than the actual drinking itself. Because I'd went through treatment after getting our D dubs as uh like it wasn't court order, but it was a do it before court so it looks good kind of thing. And I drank most of the time through probation or through treatment, but I knew I knew what they what I needed to do. I knew deep down like I didn't have a problem, especially going through that, realizing what an act what a problem actually is. Like, yeah, like I don't I'm not there, like I can I don't have to drink every night of the week. I can drink and then stop because as soon as the party would stop, it's like alright, well I guess we're done drinking. Like I knew I didn't have that, so I guess I can't say that I just drank because I knew that, but I like I said, it was I remember because it was the wild one of the whatever year to modify 20 2014, because that was when we got married. The wild were in the playoffs, and that's what I would do during the wild playoff games. I would go drink, and I can remember being at treatment like half hung over, and that specific time the lady that ran it, whatever they're called, telling me how good I was doing, and all this and all that, and like in my mind I knew I'm just I was just telling her what she wanted to hear to get through this kind of thing. So, and that also like established in my mind that like addiction is a real it is a real thing to a point, but that you're never gonna get over it until you want to get over it. And then even for people like that want to get over it very, very badly, they can't, but then people that are have to go to treatment to get better, like treatment is not gonna get you better unless you want to get better.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it doesn't make it easy, but you can't it gives you the tools to do it, yeah.
SPEAKER_03It gives you the tools to do it, and if you don't want to do it, you're not gonna take those tools. So, like that, like I got through it. I I remember because I was going to Colorado to meet my to see my sister for whatever the case may be, and I was gonna miss some meetings, and so I had to get a letter from her to say that I could miss these meetings and then finish up my hours afterwards, and I had done so good in it, she just says, I'll just sign off on everything, you're done, you're good. And like I drank through that whole time doing that. Where not that that's good, except whatever, but like I didn't have to go back to treatment to get better, I just wanted to do it. So, like, yeah, some people might need that tool to do it, but that's just a tool to do it, and it's not something that builds your house for you, and you go there and now you're done. Like, you have to be the one to do it. That's just a tool. And I say, if you don't want to do it, that tool isn't gonna make you do it for you. Like, you have to be wanting to do it.
Aliens Faith And Staying Open
SPEAKER_00What do you believe spiritually? Why do you believe we're here on this planet?
SPEAKER_03I'm I'm this is the rabbit hole I'm down right now. Well, kind of. The Bob Lazar. It's just uh new movie, just you know the Bob Lazar story. He's the one that worked in Area 51 um in the 80s 80s or something like that, and told a story about everything. Nobody really believed it, has been telling a story about aliens ever since then. He worked in Area 51, worked on aliens, worked on on worked on spaceships from not this planet for the US government, and worked in here, did all this secret stuff, and then they had tapped his phones because he worked for them. They found out his wife was having an affair, and then they had to fire him because they thought he might become mentally unstable when he found this out. So then after they fired him, he had talked about it, and now ever since then he's been talking about it. He's his story has never changed. Everything that he said has never changed, and now they just made a movie of his story, and like he had a hundred percent to do with it, went through everything, and like it was like an AI. I don't I don't completely comprehend or understand because it was made through AI and made 3D, but maybe like putting goggles on that. That must be how he does it because they were saying how when Bob went into this, it like activated even more memories, and he's like, Oh, there was a door right there, and like activated even more stuff. And so, like, yeah, that's a movie that just came out on Amazon that I haven't watched yet, but it's his whole story that's just a movie now, and like so he had brought people to view when they tested these things, and like he was talking about element 151 or 115, whatever one it is, back in the 80s. That element wasn't made, announced, added to the element table, accepted, whatever you want to say, like it wasn't a real thing, it wasn't it wasn't wasn't real when he first started talking about it. And then in the early 2000s, it got actually added to the element table, and like more as more and more time goes on, more and more things come pro come out proving his story. And so, like, yeah, that's a crazy thing, and like that just leaves like I I have 0% of an answer to your question. Like, it's it's a wild, wild rabbit hole that I'm down right now. Yeah, and so yeah, like I there's so many different things I'm gonna watch that.
SPEAKER_00That sounds really good.
SPEAKER_03I believe you could say, but there's a whole bunch that if you believe this, you can't believe that well, like I don't believe I believe both of them, like yeah, I believe so many things of different things are true, or like it's so like political almost where if you believe this, you have to believe all of these things. It's like well, I question that, that, and that, and this has all this, this, and this, and well, I believe this, this, and this, but I question that, that, and that about that thing too. You know, and like so the whole alien experiment, and we were put on by aliens, or like the Big Bang, and now there's a thing where they think our universe might just be in a black hole and like so much crazy stuff, and it's so evolving and so hard for it to evolve that like I couldn't even s begin to try to give you an answer, kind of thing, and or even try to explain what I think because I don't I can't even explain what I think really.
SPEAKER_00And yeah, but it's just the people who want to control us that tell us you can only believe one thing.
SPEAKER_03You can literally believe everything, you can believe in Oh, but even like the more and more I get into things and look into things, in ever like people always talk about like big pharma. Every single industry has that. Where like um I forget the guy's name. He's got a couple shows on Netflix, has been on Rogan a whole bunch. Uh, his name's right at the tip of my tongue. Anyways, he does a whole bunch of ancient, all about ancient history, does all these archaeological digs and all of this stuff, and it's so hard for him to get his stuff in mainstream media because it's against everything, like all the mainstream geologists and all of that stuff, are 100% against what he says because everything he brings up contradicts everything that's in the history books, everything that they believe, and everything they've put their life studies into. If this one thing is wrong, every single thing they've been putting their life's work into is wrong because the heart that they started from, if it branched off for the last 40 years, well, this piece is wrong. So all the work everybody's been doing for the last however many years, throw it out because we gotta start over again. That's what he's bringing to the table. So all of them people that have been doing this for all of them years don't want any of that, and like to me, it's like I get it because of all the work that you've been doing, but also like you're so uh against your industry now because what your industry's supposed to do is find these things, and because these things that were found now contradict everything that you've been doing, like it's so it's so hard, like I said, like it's so uh hard to now progress in life anywhere because of all of the established industries, big guys you could say, that are established in everything. It's so hard to make changes or like I say, even these like scientific things, like they're scientific, like there isn't like there's an argument, but yet also it's science, like when things are proven but they're still arguing against it. I I and it's me, like I only comprehend what people are saying and listening to, and then listening to other people's things, and like well, like I try to make sure I don't attach myself to things, ideas. No, you aren't you aren't any one idea, so unless I'm 1000% sure with concrete, like this is why I'm sure about this, I'm always open to discuss anything. Like there's often times where me and Caitlin will just be discussing, talking whatever, or even she'll bring something up, and I will say, I don't know, an example, like um I don't even know an example. The dishwasher. I'll open it and be unloading it, and it's something that she loaded, and I'll like she I'll say this, you did this, the bowl, you stack everything on top of each other. This thing circles and sprays, so when this is covered, it's not spraying underneath there. And like to that point, like I I'm showing why, like, do you do this, but also like if you can tell me why this is good, I will listen. Like, so like that, like even that, like I'm 99.9% sure like a dish over the top of a dish isn't really getting clean. But if you have a reason and like this is how it is getting clean, like I'll listen to it and maybe I'll change my mind. So I try to not be stuck to anything, really.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, but the more you know, the more you know that you don't know. The more that you expand your brain, the more you realize that everything that you've believed like eventually gets proven wrong. But there's so many people out there that would rather be right than find the truth.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like that, like what not the dishwasher circumstances, but other circumstances where Caitlin will say something and I'll say something different in my reason why, and then she'll like not get upset, but like think I'm trying to either argue with her, be like show her why my reason is right. Like, I'll physically say, like, no, like I'm not trying to argue, or like I'm just saying, like, this is why. Like, if you explain to me your reason, like I I'll maybe change my mind, you know. So I'll physically say that to whoever, whenever, where like, cause sometimes I might come off like I'm arguing with you because I'm coming, you say this and I'm saying something different than you with my reasoning why. So like, yeah, I might be coming off as like, oh, alright, I'm not okay, you win. But I'm like, no, like either A, like, I'm just trying to show you why, or B, like, you rebuttal, and maybe I'll change my mind. So I can say I always try to be open to changing my mind to whatever it is. Like, very, very few things in life do I have my no, I'm sticking with this no matter what you say, kind of thing. Like, very, very few things.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, same. I like can't handle that when people are really stuck on one side of things.
SPEAKER_03That is one thing that will get to me when that person says this, I say this with my whatever, and then that's the they say something and are going back with their point, but there's no real like this is why. It's just cause you're stupid or cause this, like you know, something that has absolutely zero actual proof of your reasoning. So like that, I'll vent get irritated pretty quickly with. But that's very rarely.
The Words Friends Use For Seth
SPEAKER_00Okay, so now we are to the segment where I reveal to you how people see you. So I asked you to give me some names and numbers of people I could reach out to that know you well, and I asked them to describe you in some adjectives, and then I put those together into themes, and I do this because I just think we're really bad at seeing ourselves the way forgot about this part. Others do, yeah, because um we were supposed to record a few weeks ago and then I rescheduled. So yeah, I got these a while ago. Are you excited? Yes, nervous. Okay. Well, your first word is relentless, because you got described as resilient, determined, disciplined, tenacious, ambitious, two people said, motivated, hardworking, diligent, vigorous, and domineering. So yeah, that's not uh surprising after our conversation. And your second word is devoted, because two said fatherly, two said dependable, selfless, protective, kind, helpful, and gregarious. Your third word is centered, because you're consistent, steady, relaxed, mellow, easygoing, trusting, open-minded, positive, and optimistic. Fourth word is calculated, you're insightful, astute, Machiavellian, systematic, and accurate. And your fifth word is renewed because you're redeemed, transformed, and thriving. And somebody kind of wrote a little synopsis for you. Um, I wrote one too, but I'll read this first. He said, Seth is one of those people you can always count on, steady, consistent, and incredibly reliable in everything he does. He brings a calm, thoughtful approach to his work and genuinely cares about helping people make the right decisions. What stands out most is his ability to build real relationships and earn trust, not just make a quick sale. He's the kind of person who shows up every day, puts in the work, and continues to grow both personally and professionally. So I won't say who said that, but I'm sure you could figure it out. And my synopsis is you have always known how to dig in when it gets hard. A competitor, a competitor who becomes a foundation for your family, your athletes, your people. Everything you do, you do with intention. Calculate it in your thinking. Relentless in your love, renewed and still becoming. So please remember you are not these words, you are not your thoughts, you are the space between the words, the space between the thoughts. You're the one who knows you have thoughts. Observe them, reflect on them, but know you are not them.
SPEAKER_03I know what most of those words meant.
SPEAKER_00Right. I know. What's the thing you most want your kids to say about you someday?
SPEAKER_02I don't really know.
SPEAKER_03I don't know how to answer that, I guess. Um I would say I care what they think of me and everything else, but also like I'm doing the best I can. If you think it was bad, do better. I don't I don't like that's kind of a bad mean thing to say. Might sound come off wrong. But not that I don't care what they have to say, but like I said, like I'm confident enough in the job that I'm doing that no matter what it is, it'll be good, I guess.
SPEAKER_00That's right.
SPEAKER_03So you say it's not, I don't.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03It doesn't matter. Yeah, just yeah, 99.9% sure it'll be good.
Insurance Work And Networking Group
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, I think the theme of this episode has been that you are really self-aware. So I think that's really great. You're like, I know I'm doing the best that I can. So I just hope that they see it too. Yeah, that's great. Um, okay, so uh that synopsis was obviously like somebody that you work with or your boss or something. So if anybody is interested in switching insurance, they should listen to um the podcast we did almost a year ago now. Um, and that's what she said, and that was talking about your style with insurance. Um, clearly, you do care about the people more than care about the work.
SPEAKER_03A little more experience now.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, for sure. And uh you started a networking group in Moron. That's been super fun. Um, so reach out to me or Seth if you are interested in joining. We do keep at you do keep at one um member per industry. Yes, not everybody's welcome, but um it's an elite club. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But you do want more members. Yes, right?
SPEAKER_03So we're always looking to grow.
Final Questions On Family Legacy
SPEAKER_00Awesome. Okay, so what do you do right now that you hope your grandkids do when they're your age?
SPEAKER_02When they're my age? Take care of their family?
SPEAKER_00Uh I don't I don't do anything special right now. What do you do that you hope that they don't do when they're your age?
SPEAKER_03I don't think anything. I think I stopped all those things that I That's good. I feel anything I wouldn't want my kids to do, I already don't do, I feel like.
SPEAKER_00Good. A lot of people say like self-doubt, but like you have this great system of or you figured out how to, I feel like talk to yourself and have your mind be repeating healthy thoughts, not bad thoughts. So that's good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think got to everybody's everybody's worst the worst thing that's ever happened to you in life, everybody has something different. So everybody's got, like I said, not judging yourself to anybody else, and just for myself, keeping that God, keeping that positiveness.
SPEAKER_00Awesome. Sounds good. Well, this was so fun. Thank you so much for coming on.
SPEAKER_03Thanks for having me.