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Your nervous system remembers everything, even when you swear you’re “fine.” We sit down as longtime friends who get mistaken for each other and end up tracing a surprisingly connected path: teenage rebellion, yin yoga, and why the slow work (fascia, long holds, and breath) can create the biggest release. We also nerd out on the idea that the body is mostly space, and how that changes the way we think about connection, energy, and what we carry.

From there we go straight into the stuff people love to label “woo woo” and ask a more honest question: what if it’s simply not fully explained yet? We talk Reiki studies, intuition, and the growing overlap between alternative healing and modern psychotherapy. Psychedelics come up too, including microdosing, LSD, and the feeling of “wholeness” that can reset your perspective when it’s approached carefully. We keep it grounded with real cautions about mindset, set and setting, and why not every tool is for every person.

The most personal part is the emotional work: anger vs sadness, learning to feel feelings, shame, shadow work, and IFS parts work as a practical map for self-understanding. We share stories about repair after oversharing, choosing vulnerability, family roles that shape authenticity, and even why using AI for heartfelt messages can feel like losing someone’s real voice.

If this resonates, subscribe so you don’t miss what we’re exploring next, share it with a friend who’s doing their own healing work, and leave a review with the biggest takeaway you’re sitting with right now.


0:00 Welcome And Sister Energy

0:09 A Song That Fueled Rebellion

1:04 Yin Yoga And Fascia Release

2:08 How Much Space We Are

3:50 Reiki Research And Energy Work

4:46 Psychedelics And Future Therapy

5:55 Intuition And Generational Healing

7:19 LSD And The Feeling Of Wholeness

11:50 Microdosing And Mood Shifts

12:19 Anger, Crying, And Feeling Feelings

16:23 Light As A Feather After Death

19:22 Sensory Overload And Sensitive Brains

23:11 Third Eye Moments And Deep Meditation

27:28 Shadow Work, Shame, And Triggers

32:20 Family Roles, Authenticity, And AI

39:01 Judgment, Boundaries, And Tiny Corrections

42:37 Soul Tribes And Lifelong Connection

45:13 Summer Plans And Birthday Pivots

51:41 Purpose, Community, And Dinner Nights

54:05 Goodbye And Staying Connected


Welcome And Sister Energy

SPEAKER_03

Welcome to Supernaut where we explore the inner and outer dimensions of the self. Today my friends are on, pretty much more my sisters. We always get mixed up for each other.

A Song That Fueled Rebellion

SPEAKER_03

Jen, you picked a song for us to listen to. What song did you pick?

SPEAKER_02

I did. I picked Guns and Roses, Get in the Ring. Um, because when I was just this morning thinking uh I was getting ready to come. And when I was 15, I literally listened to that song probably every single morning before either that or Fortunate Sun every morning as loud as I humanly possible in my basement. My parents were definitely concerned about where things were headed. But I think that it was it just spoke to like I was never gonna be like status quo. And that song to me was like the rebel yell, you know? It's like just all about corruption and taking advantage of people. Social justice was already my thing. So there I ended up a social worker. I think those were some of the roots of that. I was already mad about who knows everything. So yeah, I was just getting ready this morning. Like, oh, that's my get ready song. So we're in the ring, I

Yin Yoga And Fascia Release

SPEAKER_02

guess.

SPEAKER_01

So I'm gonna do a class on um like the like why we should do yen yoga and like the fascia and what it does, and I'm fascinated with it, and it's like crystal, it's like what we carry around as like um crystallizing, right? I'll get more information because I can't speak about it right now, but it's super cool.

SPEAKER_03

But yeah, I think some people don't like yin yoga because they're like, oh, it's too slow, or you know, I'm not getting much out of it. But luckily I'm lazy, so I'm like, that's my favorite.

SPEAKER_01

Well, when you learn about the fascia, you realize that this, you know, the long stretch, and you still have to be intentional about it. You have to like you guys hear me talk about like don't get lazy, yeah, because we're all just like tripped out somewhere in your mind, and then all of a sudden you're not pushing yourself. So each long eight-minute stretch should be like to the nth degree, yeah, where you're almost sweating, like where you're just like, oh my gosh, but that's when like the magic happens, that's when the releases happen and the growth.

SPEAKER_03

That's probably because there's so much space in our in our body, like the stretch, you know.

How Much Space We Are

SPEAKER_03

Um, I just learned that every because you know how atoms, like there's only a little part of atoms that is actually information and helpful in the rest of space. Right. So if every human being that's alive right now and has ever been alive, if all the space from all the atoms from all of the bodies was put into one form, it would be the size of a sugar cube.

SPEAKER_05

What?

SPEAKER_03

Isn't that crazy? That's how small our atoms are. That is also I want you guys to guess. Um, everybody that's been around me for the last two weeks has heard this, so they're gonna be annoyed. But um, if every single human being on the planet alive right now lived in Alaska, how much how many square feet do you think each person would have to themselves? I have absolutely no idea. The whole everybody on the planet was in Alaska? Yeah, everybody on the planet could fit in Texas, but Alaska is like three times as big. So how many square feet do you think each person would have to themselves? Yeah. I have no idea. Twenty? 2029. Really? Square feet. So it's like a whole house. A 40 by 60 pole shed. Right.

SPEAKER_02

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01

Good one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That's a good one. Yeah, isn't that crazy though? Yeah. But then like the space in us too, like just how our bodies are mostly space and everything is just and then we're all connected and like there's all this energy that we can't even see.

SPEAKER_01

Right. But we are not tuned in, and that's intentional. Like they don't want us, they like it's something scary. But for real, like we're being, you know, we're not being nobody's going to school and being like, let's do energy work. Really?

Reiki Research And Energy Work

SPEAKER_01

No, guess what?

SPEAKER_02

On that subject, actually, there was just a really well done scientific study, and I should probably have references. I'll try to find it, Veda. Um, but I was watching this, it was a TikTok, I'm not gonna lie. And it's called the news, but thank you. Right. Um, it was this she was probably like 25 or 30, and she was interviewing her dad, who is like an older like psychiatrist, and I feel like he worked at Columbia University for like his whole life. And she's like, Dad, tell me what you think about Reiki. And he goes, No, he goes, I it's been scientifically proven to work. And she goes, Um, and why? And he said, I have no fucking idea, but I've read the studies and I have to believe it. Of course, and so like it's real, it's here, and in the same vein, in like the psychotherapy world, like using alternative treatments, like these things are for real being studied.

Psychedelics And Future Therapy

SPEAKER_02

And I will say this on this pod, and I really don't care if anybody cares, but everyone should know I'm not a fan of Trump. I'm a social worker. Um, but he did just push through the FDA, like regulatory ibikine and cybicillin. So there'll be a lot more research and a lot more he knows he needed some hippies on his side right now. And he was the only time I've ever laughed at him. He's like, I could use some of that. And I'm thinking, yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my god, but he's never had a drink in his life.

SPEAKER_02

Well, maybe he should.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Or some mushrooms for sure.

SPEAKER_02

Or just everything. Yeah, yeah. So, anyways, I in this field it's really I don't see myself like doing any of those modalities unless I do supported and definitely want to get trained and do psychedelic therapy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's like my main headed there.

SPEAKER_03

But Andrew Hubertman was just saying how, yeah, in like five years, all the things that people think are woo woo are going to be proven through like AI and science and all the things. Yeah, like they're finally going to be able to figure out how to prove them because they obviously work.

SPEAKER_02

So right, like healing is so much more than this linear medical model that we've been working

Intuition And Generational Healing

SPEAKER_02

with.

SPEAKER_01

Even understanding like addiction is so much more about science than I've been um working a lot with my um intuition, which has always been a guiding light, except for the giant major times that I didn't listen to it. Um yeah. But now I am listening to it all the time and like checking in like does this feel right? And I think the more that we even you know teach that to our kids, the safer they're they learn to trust themselves. Right. Always having that right, you know, inner knowing and then safer out in the world by being able to trust like what they're feeling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

If we don't figure out our trauma, our kids are gonna have to figure it out, or their kids or their kids. So I think even though they're not in our bodies anymore, if we heal ourselves, they're going to be healed internally too. And yeah, trusting intuition, like just like does my body feel like this is my body. You can change your mind as much as you want. I changed my mind on something last night I told you guys about. And in the moment, too, I was like, okay, this person is expecting this, so I'm just gonna go forward with it. But then I changed my mind, and that felt really powerful and really good.

SPEAKER_02

So I remember the last time I overruled my intuition and it turned out fine, but it could have not.

LSD And The Feeling Of Wholeness

SPEAKER_03

That was so I tried LSD, speaking of um psychedelics um a month or two ago, and the biggest feeling I got was like wholeness, how we are all so whole. And wholeness was so many levels above love in that moment. Like love was like nothing compared to wholeness. And um, so I got this tattoo a c a week ago, and it's funny because somebody said, Why did you get like a crescent moon instead of a full moon? And I have this thing where I don't like circles, it's super weird. Like I don't have clocks in my house, I don't like circles as art. I don't know why. Do you guys like circles? Yeah, and so I think it's because I am so scared of being whole or I have such a because you know I was looking up like tattoos that mean wholeness, and it's like the snake eating itself or a circle or all these different things, and that's when I realized I'm like, I don't want a circle on me because I don't like circles, circles, but maybe it's because I really have to like run towards them because that's gonna help me with my feeling of wholeness. Maybe, you know. Tell me more about you, the acid. It was amazing. It was just the only thing, like I didn't hallucinate. The only thing that changed was the thoughts in my head were gone. So that it was like no ego, nothing. I could just see everything for how it was. Like this glass was just the most beautiful thing that I ever saw. Every like my hands, like trees, the clouds, everything. So there was nothing out of control about it. I didn't feel like anything was going crazy. I could see that like if I put an idea in my head, I could make it make myself believe it in a bad way if I wanted, you know, because like it's like, oh, what if like there's spies after me or something? And I started to laugh, like, oh, don't start thinking down that road, because then I could see how if you're not careful with psychedelics, you could convince yourself of something crazy or go into a depression or something like that. But I always spend like a couple hours beforehand, like just getting in a really good mind state. And so this was the first time um with LSD, and I really liked it. I know people are really scared of it, but it just made the world beautiful more beautiful. And I think I believe that you can see the world that way without it, right? But um it's a lot of work.

SPEAKER_01

Chelsea Handler talks about that a lot because she lives up in Whistler for a lot of the year, I think. And um, it's legal, so you just she just microdose while she's skiing and stuff. And she's like, it just makes the world like prettier and nicer, and you know, I mean, these are the things that I used as a young woman, and I remember thinking, like, why are we not using these? These are amazing, right? And especially when you dabble with substances and and I mean, I was just really aware, right? So I was aware of what withdrawal felt like with each drug, right? You know, and how awful some of them your your dopamine or whatever just drops so low, and you're like, oh my god, and it's recognizable, and you have to say, okay, just give it a few more hours, you know, like you know, and maybe tomorrow I'll feel better. And it did. Um, but I just remember using acid and um ecstasy together, which is so great because then you're guaranteed to never have like a bad trip. Um, but just in small doses, I think that it really is better than most antidepressants, you know, because you're not locked to it, you're not gonna take it every day necessarily. You're you know, you're just and of course, disclaimer is of course there's you know, the outliers or the uh people who absolutely have to be on um something that's understandable, I think. But it sure could be used as a preventative, I guess, you know, to not ever get down to that point where you are able to see the beauty in the world every day, you know. And it I think that helps increase motivation and hope for the future and creativity, so you have a purpose to look forward to. All the things that we do at work to like flip the script, you know, it's like it would help. Yeah, it would help with that.

SPEAKER_03

And of course, everybody's affected so differently. I mean, I I have a sister-in-law who like gets high Fabri baby Tylenol, like she can't take it because it messes her up. So, like, you know, you just have to be careful and know that not everything is for everybody. No, absolutely not, yeah. No, uh-uh.

SPEAKER_01

I always said I just wanted to microdose the whole, like my whole

Microdosing And Mood Shifts

SPEAKER_01

family. Oh, my friend grew. Like, like, could you imagine that utopia we'd be living with? Oh my god, everybody would talk it out, process feelings, apologize.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, can you want that for us? I was gonna say earlier, like how Rockefeller wanted a nation of thinkers. Right, yeah, not dreamers or a nation of ding-dongs. Yeah, too bad. Sheep. So close.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like we're talking really quiet and we're like sweaty balls.

Anger, Crying, And Feeling Feelings

SPEAKER_03

I know we were like so loud before Veda was like, I'm recording, and now we're like grown-up, this is our grown-up voice.

SPEAKER_02

This is hello. This is my phone voice. Yeah. I remember my mom used to answer the phone at work, and I'd be like, Oh, Becky's got her work voice on. She'd be like, hello, it's Becky. You don't talk like that. Listen, Becky. Listen here. I used to read to my kids in this specific tone, and they would just oh, like a light. Oh yeah. Done. Because you do have the most alignment bias. Thanks. It's also really quiet. And yesterday when I was up taking care of my dad, he my mom left for a minute and he goes, You're gonna have to put my hearing aids in because I can't hear you at all. And I was like, I know, dad. It's just when you don't have a voice that like pushes, it I can't do it. So like the end of the week when I talk to 40 people and whispering basically. I have this tiny little office and I have these Medicare clients because they're all older and they're just like, I can't hear you.

SPEAKER_03

So what's it like when you get mad? Because I you say that you get mad and you get feisty, but like Oh, it's brutal. It's the opposite end, like it's terrifying. Do you get loud though? Oh, yeah. Have you seen it, Shannon? No.

SPEAKER_01

She shuts down. She gets mad and she is like she is frozen. Her eyes get really big.

SPEAKER_02

And then she but she like. But you think you're loud?

SPEAKER_03

Why do you think there have been some instant times in your life where you're like, no, I think a loud private point.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think in maybe romantic situations or yeah, intimate relationships. You've probably gotten loud, but we've never seen it. I've only seen her cry like out of all the years I've known her, I've only seen her cry like I only cry a couple of times.

SPEAKER_03

I only cry in private. I was listening to this podcast, which I hate. Like I say that like so many three times a day. But I was listening to this podcast about like feeling your feelings, and like this guy hadn't cried in 14 years, so he went up to a mountain every day and like would role play or like in like pretending like he was an improv, like like he had to cry, and then once he did cry, he cried for like four days. But I so I'm like, okay, I never I don't know how to get mad. Like I've never really been mad, or like kinda. I get kind like I got excited at work a month or two ago. I'm like, did you see how mad I just got and they're like you really can't get mad? No, so maybe I should go pretend to get mad because I just think like I don't have madness in anger in me, but like this guy says you do, and then I need to release it. Because it comes out in crying and it comes out in sadness, which is more manipulative than anger, because it's like, oh poor me. And so, like, I'm not trying to be manipulative when I'm sad, but I'm sad.

SPEAKER_02

We always call anger the card dog for other emotions, and I think it's for some of us like the easiest thing to feel. Like if you don't want to go into the rest of all the feelings, which are like you know, so it's like blocking me. It's like I've never had road rage, but that means you might feel like the range of feelings, like range is like they're probably having a bad day if they cut me off, and I'm usually the one like being the bad driver.

SPEAKER_03

So you're not up there just like bitch, get out the way. That's never just kidding.

SPEAKER_02

Sometimes I get road rage, me too. Real bad. I mean, not as bad as I used to. Um, sitting with feelings is really incredible. It's funny because as a therapist, I talk about it all the time. But when I'm the therapized, like you're just gonna have to feel that. I'm like, I don't want I don't like to feel that.

SPEAKER_01

I don't like to say that's why she's a runner.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I do transmute a lot of feelings, lift weights, run, but that's really the best for me. Um but I'll cry only alone. I don't watch sad movies for that particular reason. It's because of your job. I don't watch sad things either. Sometimes I am a little I think it's like the fear of that depth. Like, what if I start to cry and I can't stop?

SPEAKER_01

But maybe you should for like cry for four days. Um just go take some ibogaine and just fall your face off for a week and then be light as a feather.

SPEAKER_03

Did you guys listen to that Iboga gain podcast I sent you guys?

SPEAKER_02

Wait, let's go back to light as a feather. I'll come right back to that, okay? I just don't want to lose this.

Light As A Feather After Death

SPEAKER_02

So I was I can't remember who told me this. Probably a client, let's be real. Um, and they were talking about like ancient Egyptian spirituality, which I absolutely know nothing about, and I'm guessing it's not like a real common topic. But the idea when they die is their like nirvana or heaven, is that at the end of their lives, their soul is put on a scale with a feather, and if their soul is lighter than a feather, they get to go to the good place.

SPEAKER_03

So it's your emotions aren't weighing you down.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think so. I don't want to be light like a feather. And you like let go of the things that kept you happy. Yeah, it's tricky, it's really hard. Right. I cry a lot at you in yoga, just quietly. That's okay. It's good for it. That's good. Get it out. I just don't want to sob.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, well, I hope you guys listen to that. Iba gang. I can't. I gave it to you guys when you guys were on vacation in Arizona, but it was like the most beautiful, and if we ever start a treatment center together, like he describes the treatment center that he went to. It was uh he was a a vat who had headaches every day. And Iboga Gang literally saved his life, and he got to go up and play in the cosmos with his spirit guides. I wanna go. If anybody wants to know, just send me a message and I'll send you the podcast. I don't remember what it's called right now.

SPEAKER_01

No, I will listen to it. Uh I that was a rough time that week. And the after were effects. Anyway, um really nice time. It was great. I just told somebody last night about how great it was because I got to be like 15 again and watch Prices Right and take naps and other things and be by the pool, play card games, and play card games with my parents and win, even though I had no idea what I was doing. Shh, rude.

SPEAKER_02

Not even trying, just not even trying and just winning. That's what makes you light like a feather. She she does, she's the sleeper. Well then the next day I'd be like, how do we play games? I know. I cannot retain games. Shannon standbags so hard. Like, we should take her to play pool, you know, like be we could be pool sharks with her. She's like, I don't know what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_01

How about that one time I um one of um those things? Pull tabs. Pull tabs and didn't know. And Crystal's like in my face, just like she gets so excited. Yeah, she's like, come on! And that was, I mean, uh okay, this was later in the evening. Admittedly, I was not sober. I didn't even know what I was doing. I remember it, but I'm like, I literally know I don't know how to play full tabs.

SPEAKER_02

Like, that's not a thing I understand. I don't know. There's line, but then there's like this whole like, do you get more or do you like split the blah blah blah? I don't want to know. I don't care. Okay, just make sure you tap a bar too. That's the most important. I know my attribute. I just don't play. It's just safer that way. I don't gambling gives me no thrill.

Sensory Overload And Sensitive Brains

SPEAKER_01

I just saw TikTok talking about um whatever that is, I don't have it. I've been saying for years I can't go to casinos because I'm super sensitive, like a highly sensitive person kind of thing. I can't go to lots of places, but casinos have always been the worst. And it's bad ideas. There's like just too much going on over stimulation. And I can't not feel it. I would have to like walk in with a bubble or some weird, you know, metal hat on or something. I feel the same. Um, yeah. So anyway, uh, but there was a TikTok talking about that, how we're like that. And I'm like, I feel very seen and validated because otherwise people just think I'm a weirdo.

SPEAKER_02

No, I feel the exact same way. I can't not just be sad when I'm there. I just that's just not fun for me. Because everywhere you look, there's just a sad face.

SPEAKER_03

I love how brains work. And I remember you talking about Shannon's brain one time, how like you borrowed her something, and you're like, Shannon compartmentalizes that and she knows who she borrowed things to. I give it like I'm like you, where I'm like, I have no idea who has what. No, I have no idea.

SPEAKER_02

I could probably give away anything but one of my kids and not know that I gave it away. Just be like, oh shoot, that was yeah. But Shannon would be like, um, do you still have that like random, random thing, whatever?

SPEAKER_01

I'd be like, but I pink pants or sex and city C D or DVD or um look at L C look at her go.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I could rep with her.

SPEAKER_02

Listen, we're not even talking about her over there. You don't my Sophie has a brain like that too. Like she can remember. So we call her, she doesn't even live at our house, but we'll call her if something's lost. She'll be like, Yeah, I think it's on like the you know, the second shelf of in the garage. How do you know that? She's like, I don't know why I know that, but I do.

SPEAKER_03

But I think I remember what people say because people are always like, How do you remember that I said that?

SPEAKER_02

And I'm like, Do you know I have this weird thing my brain does that I can remember like where? Like I can always remember where I was like standing when I had a thought. Like it'll be a really old thought, but I'll remember exactly where I was when I had this. When it's a new thought, when it's like an epiphany, yeah, sometimes, but sometimes it's just dumb thoughts. They're not that any thought, not all of them, just certain ones. I can remember exactly like the whole like how I got to the thought and where it was standing and what I was feeling.

SPEAKER_03

And as a kid, Shannon, you like could smell shapes or colors or taste, or what was that?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, everything I was. I was gonna say it was what about the autism? Oh my god. And I'm still the ADHD. Everything was. Yeah, what is it called like synerg synergetic synergicity? It tasted like dumb. I remember that. I just told my cousin Chris. It tasted like dumb. Taste like dumb. And he's like, what? Was it grape gum? Synthesis. There it is. And like days of the week where certain colors. I mean, I I shut that stuff down because I already was a weirdo. And so can you bring it back?

SPEAKER_03

I would like to. I also like I was watching a video about it to prepare for this, but then I didn't really pay attention.

SPEAKER_01

When I was a little kid, I would see all these like sparkles when I would go to bed at night. Um, and that faded over time. I think I'd shut that often. So maybe sometimes in one eye I can like bring it back.

SPEAKER_03

But I'm well, you do a class, like you can do all the studying, figure out how to like try and access it. Like, because I think every human has it. Yeah, for sure. And then uh maybe it'll come back for you, or maybe somebody in the classic.

SPEAKER_01

I think I need to um focus more back on my old, you know, who I came here to be, and less of the like, I gotta work this job to pay this bill, to blah blah blah. Like go back to childhood as much as possible. Yeah. I mean, I was, yeah, I was a weird kid for a reason.

Third Eye Moments And Deep Meditation

SPEAKER_01

The what I see now is every once in a while my third eye will like open up at night and like there's like this like kind of purpley, smoky looking thing. And it used to kind of freak me out because I was like, what is this? You know, and but it I I can't control it. So it like comes and goes as it pleases. That sounds so crazy. Do I sound like a no okay? No, I'm um not crazy, but so it shows up occasionally, so it's not like this thing that I can like really call upon. And then when I try to like focus on it is usually when it goes away. So I kind of have to like leave that open and not try to control it, which is great. And I'm not trying to control, I'm just saying, like, am I making this happen? Is it my thoughts or brain or whatever? But it clearly isn't because it just I can't, you know.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but it's trying to maybe teach you that for life too, like stop trying to control everything.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, I think there's a I think it's like the portal to my third eye, and it's just like part of that. Like you have to like really do intentional work to like let's do like a three-day silent meditation and just like meditate on it every hour. I would like to do um more, uh I really like the chakra meditations and I really want to fine-tune that. Yeah and like each one. I do it at the treatment center sometimes, but it's feels like like watered down. Like, I want to do like a really intense 90-minute, you know, guided meditation that a good part of it like really get into like the root chakra. Like, I want you to visualize being a baby, you know, or like get really deep and then each one, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Ugh, so that just leads me to wonder why are we not why did why have we not done our own, like at some point we should probably all abscond from our big girl jobs and open some kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I'm I want to take the next two years and go to school. I really want to go hard and like whether that means I just don't work and take out loans and do it, I don't know. We'll see. Um, but I want to make that happen so that I can fast track the other dreams. I had a reading when I was 20. Um 24, 25. So 20, like 28, 20, right before I met Nate. Um, I had a reading with Beverly, and she said she saw me, like she used all these visualizations, and I was so at the time, like, scared of my life, you know, like what am I doing? I'm not doing enough, I don't have enough. I am a single mom. I'm like, what am I, you know, just panicked. And she was like, oh my god, she visualized a scroll going down a hallway, and she's like, You have so many things that you want to do. And so I think about that all the time. And I'm like, well, I'm 48, and you know, if I had like that many things, like I clearly have more life to live, so I better just keep going, do all the crazy shit that I want to do, and then start the because not only do I want to get my master's, I want to do psychedelic therapy. EMDR is my jam. I really want to do that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, there's a couple different modalities that are yeah really. I think I would really be good at just take a half a year and get a thousand certifications and then we can start.

SPEAKER_01

But the crazy So we have like three years to like open doors, yeah, purpose. And we can funnel through Osiller, the building. You know, we have that opportunity, just not for large groups, right? So it's really about and some of the places that we went for retreats. Like, I'll think about that. I'm like, I want to go to a facility. Didn't we go to that one up north that was like a big it was yeah, right?

SPEAKER_03

The one where like I didn't get out of bed for like three days. Yes, but it'd be like we want to go to a retreat and there's all these classes, but I'm like let's lay and she's very happy, which was fine. Yeah, we went on a walk.

SPEAKER_02

That's healing, yeah. We went on a walk. I mean, yeah, it's great. That's great. What we're really talking about is all just healing, right? Yeah. So I mean, let's if we talk about why we were put in this world, and maybe everyone, I don't think everyone gets this, but like that was part of our calling. We came here to help other people.

SPEAKER_03

The person last night like told me I was a healer, and I've heard that so much in my life. And I'm like, if I could just believe it, it's so hard to believe. Well, that's what we have to work on shadowside. Yes, we can do that,

Shadow Work, Shame, And Triggers

SPEAKER_03

but it's so hard. I was thinking about working on Shadowside this morning of like, okay, so I'm not supposed to talk bad about myself in my head, right? Like, don't let your voice say like all these negative things about yourself, but when you're trying to find the shadow in yourself, yeah, how don't you like you have to recognize the bad parts of yourself? Oh my gosh, but like separate from it and be like instead of saying, like, oh, I'm bad, I'm this I'm the right. Like, what is the validity of this negative thought? Because it's like I can listen all day about finding figuring out my shadows, but like, how do I actually do it? You just have to dig and sit with it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and I think another way to talk about it, like, because I can I as we sit here, I'm like, I've been in the world of like clinical, medical, you know, psychotherapy for so long that my that these ideas are all they're all working around us, they're just called different things. So when you talk about shadow work in psychotherapy, we talk about parts work or like IFS is this, you know, it's this idea that you're made up of these kind of like three different parts and all of them are sort of working really hard. You have to feel like your protector part, your firefighter part, and your like executive functioner, but they're all there to like I think mine are on break. No, they're not. Oh yeah, because they're all support, they're all trying to protect your actual self, and so we become like very separate from who we really are because we build up all these, you know, my yeah, we build up all these defenses, and so yeah, who wants who wants to deal with that one part that's just like ugh the one that makes you feel shameful or bad?

SPEAKER_03

Shame, shame, shame. Oh yeah, that podcast said shame, freaking shit. Also, like the way to stop judging yourself is to stop judging other people or vice versa. And so when you judge somebody, stop and think, if I didn't judge them, what would I feel? And like I did that with a couple things, and I was like, oh, embarrassment, or oh, shame. I mean, shame's one that comes up a lot, like when you judge people for things, I think. But like some of them were surprising for me. And yeah, I think that's just the key is like being and then being super vulnerable. They talked about too, every chance you had to be vulnerable just opens up the door for expansion and to find your shadows. That's so interesting. It's so hard though.

SPEAKER_02

I am I'm gonna try to share this story without exposing like it's a cousin of mine, and we had an interaction, and then I shared something about the interaction with somebody, and then it sort of like got anyways. I got a text from her yesterday, and she's like, we just kind of it wasn't, it was very kind, and it didn't call me out, but it was a little bit like, oh my gosh, like that thing came out between two people, and uh and I was like, I'm so sorry. And I didn't even want to read the text because I was like, I'm so scared, yeah. Oh, because I knew that it had been that I overshared with someone. But anything that makes you feel that, like cringy, you have to go jump. I did, and so I just opened that text and I and I know her and love her so much that I knew it wasn't gonna be like, but it was just a little bit of like you know crow. Yeah, I just said I'm so sorry. And she's like, I don't want you to be sorry. I'm like, well, I am too late. RDM. But and it wasn't anything egregious or like slanderous, it was just it's just not mine to share.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. But those are the little lessons anyway. We're still, I mean, even in adults, like we're not perfect, we didn't make mistakes, and it's kind of beautiful actually when that kind of stuff instead of the passive aggressive, like we don't confront it and then go get angry over here and they never even know that we're mad. Like it's just a way to like close the circle.

SPEAKER_02

It was such a good exercise, and like I always think that I can take feedback and that I am, you know, like self-responsibility is my big thing, but I could immediately feel myself like getting defensive about it. Like, oh come on, like, you know, yeah, it's my best friend or whoever, you know. And I was like, listen to me, just you know, excusing what I did. And then I'm like, no, you just say you're sorry. And that that was, you know, you you crossed a line.

SPEAKER_03

Whenever I'm in a super good mind state, whether it's from listening to a podcast or reading or what meditating a lot, and then like I get excited for somebody to trigger me because then I can look into it, you know. But it's when I'm like not in that mind state when people trigger me, and then I like little and becomes a whole spiraling thing and lasts for days, months, whatever, you know. But otherwise the triggers are exciting because they're only here to teach you and show you where you're stuck. They are channeling. How to go to grow. But this week, I think it was Wednesday or Thursday, I woke up and I looked in the mirror and I said, show me how good it can get. And I can't even tell you guys what happened. Like just an amazing thing happened. Like it like I was like, I I couldn't have comprehended this great thing happening.

Family Roles, Authenticity, And AI

SPEAKER_03

Just like somebody showing me support in a way, and we look alike and we're all youngest.

SPEAKER_02

We're all the babies. We are the babies.

SPEAKER_01

That's wild.

SPEAKER_02

And have yeah, and the babies are really put in this world to like I don't know. I th I in my experience first of all to like obviously support everybody around you, clearly, and be like adorable and the clown part. I think you also bring like a depth to your family that wasn't there before you came. And like I'm using even my uh my baby, who you know, everyone like talks about how the babies are just like so easy going and so you know, like, oh you had the baby. No, babies are powerful.

SPEAKER_01

Babies They usually sometimes um have you met Bodie? Exactly. They usually like rule the happiness of the family a little bit. And I don't know that I was allowed to do that. I certainly wasn't I mean, I had to fall in line, but I definitely was like the brat. They called me the brat because nobody else was doing it, you know. They're like standing up to the parents or um I don't know, seeing what was right. You know, I'd be I'd say the right thing.

SPEAKER_03

Well, because I think we get to observe the most. I think we're like down here looking up at the whole dynamic and we're just like observing, observing. So, like, yeah, I'm bossy because I know when you guys aren't getting your shit together and like, come on, we gotta be here for lunch. Like that's how they say I'm bossy, is usually as revolved around food. Like, okay, this is the restaurant we're going to, this is what time we're eating.

SPEAKER_00

This is my favorite thing about you, Beth. I love how much you love food, it's so great. It's my favorite, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It didn't so much get like the bossy or like that role in my family, because there's too many girls, but it definitely got the for instance, the last time I was home, my sister, my older sister and I were visiting with my mom, and I was complaining about AI because we were all supposed to write this like you know, letter to my new uh niece-in-law. Okay, put your mic down a little bit. My new niece-in-law.

SPEAKER_03

No, you can like turn it like that though.

SPEAKER_02

And um so we like texted this, you know. My sister was like, Can you just you know write a quick letter to Irene and we'll put it in this box? It was for her shower. And so I like my sister Michelle's comes first and like real quick, and I was like, and my sister is smart, she writes well, but there was just like I was not sure if it was AI, but I just I didn't care because it was pretty close. Then my mom's came and it was just a link to an AI formed, like and and I didn't I didn't say anything, but I was like, my mom's writing is so adorable and whimsical, and even like in her handwriting, like how she writes is just lovely. Um, but this was like not Becky, and so then my sisters and I are up north, and we're sitting around having coffee, and I was like, hey guys, I just want to talk about one thing, and they're like, What? I'm like, um, I feel like if there's a personalized request for like, you know, a letter, let's not, can we not use AI, please, in the future? Because I don't want to have like these leftover snippets of you guys, be not yourselves. And my sister Michelle was so cute because she goes, Like, did you did everyone hear how like diplomatic that was that she was just calling us out, but nobody's mad?

SPEAKER_01

And I was like, Yeah, well, I want it wasn't gonna be mean. Peacekeeper of the family. Yeah, you were the one that made everybody happy and you entertained, and then when you got bigger, you I secretly rebelled on the side. Yeah, because you can't have like I'm perfect uh without the shadow side of it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and when that came out, like I did it in such a big way that I just kind of broke everybody's brain. That was not I wish it had come out earlier. I wish I had been able to be more authentic to who I am because I did it in a really big way and it and it hurt a lot of people. And also sometimes I get obstinate about it and I'm like too fucking bad.

SPEAKER_03

But it was authentic because it was just a burst and it just happened, and you don't have to like strategically plan it, you just let it come out.

SPEAKER_02

It did, and that's what we need sometimes. That was scary and terrible and good. And I uh authenticity is something that I really definitely had to fight for. Was it a crystal? Probably. That's good. I'm trying to think of who just straight called me out for not being authentic, and it was really painful. I was in my twenties. And it was true. Like I wore this mask all the time. Everything was fine and everything was great. And you're like, you're presenting, yeah, like never wanting to be a problem or have a problem.

SPEAKER_03

I do that. And I also do the diplomatic thing too, because I remember Steve had me bring a family member in to talk about a situation, and afterwards he was like, You ba you did so good. You basically just told them that his whole personality sucks, but may you know that didn't hurt. Yeah. Did it in a way that he's fine, yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, our oldest siblings don't really have that like verve. They'd just be like, Hey, you suck. Yeah. And could you fix that?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Really? Or I'm like soften that edge. Mm-hmm. Yeah. For sure.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I think being authentic is so hard though, because like just how? How do you how do you figure out what's authentic? Like how you just do what you want to. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

I think you'd be we'd be more authentic if we weren't didn't have all the um responsibilities and roles and roles.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, roles.

SPEAKER_01

Like, um how how you grow up in a family d dictates how authentic you can be. Right. Are you allowed to, you know, and we a lot of us grew up and stop crying or I'm gonna give you something to cry about. Well, you know, shutting down all those emotions at a young age. Um that's what makes us go out in the world and are, you know, guarded or whatever. Depends on what your thing is. But um, I for myself I think that that affected my authenticity. And then hi, with um being a little freaky, autistic kid already, weird. I mean, I can't help it. Uh, I would annoy people and then it you catch on that you're annoying.

SPEAKER_03

You learn very early how to get love, yeah, and then you fit into that box, right?

SPEAKER_01

How to fit in. I mean, how a lot of girls would be like, I didn't like you, but after hanging out with you, you were pretty cool. Like, sorry. Okay, right.

SPEAKER_03

And it's wild how much things affect

Judgment, Boundaries, And Tiny Corrections

SPEAKER_03

us. My dad just saw somebody at work with their zipper down, so he told them, your zipper's down. And then he told me that when he was like seven years old, he got made fun of super bad at school for having his zipper down. And it was like so traumatic that now he's still at 80 years old checks his zipper like seven, eight times a day. I mean, that is so sad. I'll never check my zipper, but like we all have those things that like affected us so much. Yeah. I mean, he also has OCD, I think, but but probably because of that.

SPEAKER_02

I'm like also 100% never a person who's gonna tell you that you have a booger in your nose, that your collar's turned wrong, that you have a name. Yeah, no, because I hate it when people do it to me. I'm like, fuck off. Too bad.

SPEAKER_03

Good. You don't want people to tell you? I hate it. It's so hard to just I I don't know where I am with that. Sometimes I tell people, sometimes I don't, sometimes I want to know, sometimes I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Do I tell anyone anything? Unless it was like egregious, like your penis is hanging out. I don't know. Like, I just whatever. Like, so you have a spot on your shirt. I used to have this lady that I worked with, and she and these are in the years that I had like a ton of kids, and I was like always rushing, and you know me. I'd like probably wear my shirt backwards inside out, who knows? But she'd be like, Oh, you have toothpaste on your shoe, and I'm like, fuck off.

SPEAKER_03

Like, I don't care. But like, what about when somebody has a ladybug on them and you're like, oh, like I gotta tell them it's a bug or a spider.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, if there was something like a bee, I would say, Oh my goodness, there's a bee.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I'm never gonna tell you you have a bugger in your nose. And they'd be like, where? And you'd be like, I don't know, somewhere. Not on you. No, never on you.

SPEAKER_02

But like people like have to tell you have a bugger in your nose. Don't do that. And they always say like people who are like enjoy saying those things say them brutally.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Hey, you have a bugger in your nose.

SPEAKER_01

Like, hey, go, um, you need a tissue or something like that. That's kind of how I say it.

SPEAKER_03

Or like maybe just hand them a tissue. I have a lot of people there. Just keep going like that's what I do sometimes.

SPEAKER_02

I just yeah, like emotion. It is so hard for me to do it. It doesn't matter the consequence, like what it is.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so when you're judging somebody for saying that if you didn't judge them, what would you fail?

SPEAKER_02

Um that's a good question. I don't know. I don't know. It always feels like really controlling, and I just don't like it. Like, why do you need to control someone else's anything? Don't do that. Because I think it's about judgment. I think truly that's what judgment is.

SPEAKER_03

But if you're judging somebody for judge I know.

SPEAKER_02

Then you are always judging people for judging. I should probably stop doing that.

SPEAKER_01

Go ahead, be judgy, it's fine. I hate it. This guy on Snapchat was like I um he said he's from India and he's like, I understand if you don't want to talk to me. And I was like horrified. I'm like, I'm not racist. I'm like, I judge everybody on their shoes and hands like a good normal person and teeth. And then he didn't laugh. So I had to call him out on that. I'm like, you're humor is terrible. Yeah, now I'm judging you for nothing. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, now I'm judging you for you. Because you have a terrible sense of humor. Yikes. And then he laughed and said something dumb. But shoes are important. That's what you should judge people on. Yeah. Men that wear Crocs. Tennis shoes. I wear Crocs. Tennis shoes with jeans. Oh god, bro. New balance with jeans. You like white ones.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I know. Anyway, if they're any iteration of white.

SPEAKER_01

Just I hate tennis shoes and jeans.

SPEAKER_03

What else were we

Soul Tribes And Lifelong Connection

SPEAKER_03

gonna talk about? Sister Hun and Soul Chimes.

SPEAKER_01

I think we all come from the same. I mean, they say that we I was looking at the more like the same soft? Not necessarily the same soul. Um, although who's to know, right? But they they I just saw something last night even talking about um we tend to stick with our soul tribe. So that could be a lot of people, who knows? Could be 50, you know, I don't know if cousins and stuff, but like um, and you tend to to continue lifetime after lifetime after lifetime with them just in different roles so that you can learn. And I take comfort in that. I'm that's how I what I like because it makes me feel safer. And when there's people, I remember again with Beverly, she said, you know, early on, I I said, um, my dad always wanted to know like if his parents were uh you know in heaven together or whatever. And so I asked her about that, and she was like, my grandma said that she checks in with my grandpa, and by the tone and everything, I was just kind of like maybe it wasn't as happy as like, or you know, maybe we're not like soulmates in each life, right? Like you marry somebody, sure, you'd go through the thing, and you know, but you're not like bombed, bombed on later on. And I I also take comfort in that because I just think that. There's a lot of like moving parts of why we're here. But with you guys and like little Jen, I mean it I don't, I just feel like there's a connection for ever. Ever. Yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_02

And you know when you're not with your people, right? I know when I'm not with my people. I feel like I'm not myself.

SPEAKER_01

Alone, disconnected, untethered soul.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, or like if you're just when you're just not connecting because you're not meant to. Those aren't your people. Anyone can be your people, but we really don't.

SPEAKER_01

Which is weird that we all get mistaken for each other. Like it's just so weird. It is super weird. Or basically, I get mistaken for you two. That's how that works. Yeah, that's actually true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I guess. Because you're probably out and about, or I don't know which one of those. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

I literally love the bananas everywhere I go.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Like that one egg guy coming up and talking to me. Oh, the George. Oh, George from the hospital. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Uh totally thought it was me.

SPEAKER_03

Alright. We had to take a break for me to put a blanket on because I'm freezing, but summer is on the way.

Summer Plans And Birthday Pivots

SPEAKER_03

Thank goodness. Any fun plans, you guys? Um New York. But you you were gonna come, but no you can't. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You're going to when are you going? Um, July.

SPEAKER_03

Fourth over 4th of July.

SPEAKER_01

Fun. Any fireworks planned? Just to see fireworks out in New York. It was like, or is there any other reason? Cool. Food. Of course.

SPEAKER_03

We're gonna eat a lot. Best food ever.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

It's my favorite part of it. I want to walk the Brooklyn Bridge and just be in the parks. Like go to Dumbo. Just love all the parks there.

SPEAKER_02

For sure. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, what about you? Otherwise, I don't know. Running Hood to Coast. Got little Wayne tickets. What was the first thing you said? Running Hood to Coast again. Oh, right.

SPEAKER_03

Me and Janet are gonna run the half marathon tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02

Nice. Cool. Um when is the Hood to Coast is the end of August. So we'll move my out to New York at the beginning of August and then Hood to Coast, and then Amy and I are actually gonna drive from uh Portland when we're done running down to her brother's in San Francisco and like hit hit wine country for a couple days. That's my favorite area. That's great. Yeah, we did. We planned a fun little trip for after. So that's gonna be so great. I'm really looking forward to it. No kidding. Uh so that's our my big plans. Just you know, like always like being at my parents quite a bit, depending on how that's going.

SPEAKER_03

My niece is coming home to um do a gender reveal. Oh fine. And she just converted to Judaism a month ago, so I'm excited to hear about that.

SPEAKER_01

That's so cool. Wow, that's really interesting. How far along is she?

SPEAKER_03

She's doing October. Whatever math that is.

SPEAKER_02

So fun to watch, like when families expand. What's happening?

SPEAKER_01

That's exciting. Good for her. How's she doing over there? What's is she working?

SPEAKER_03

No, she's been too sick with the pregnancy, and he's working so much. So yeah, but they just bought a new house and it's gorgeous, and we can go anytime we want. It's huge, it's right outside LA and that'll go cool.

SPEAKER_02

Heck yeah. Perfect.

SPEAKER_03

Nice. Yeah. So if you guys ever want to.

SPEAKER_02

Do we get to talk today about how it's your birthday day? What's your celebration? Or no? How was your birthday?

SPEAKER_03

Really good. Um yeah, Tuesday was a really good day. I mean, it was super sunny. I was able to just like feel the love and also just stay really present. And work was fun. And like the day before, I told Oakers, like, um, okay, trivia Wednesday, and then Friday night I wanted to go too at Flickabirds. And he came in Tuesday and he's like, Oh, so bad news. We can't go Friday, and we can't go Wednesday. And I was like, You're ruining my birthday wake. And he was like, It's your birthday. And then like an hour later, I walked by him again. I'm like, ruining my birthday. And he like, I thought he was gonna cry, swear to God. And then like an hour later, he's like, guys, Beth's telling saying that I wrecked your birthday and like ruined, ruined my birthday wake. And we just made this whole deal of it. And then Colton, the new guy, um we went to the deli for the Baja burrito, and I told him we had to be there by 11 or it was gonna be gone. And then he was like, in this meeting, I like kept opening the door, like, come on, we like literally have to go. He's 10 more minutes. So we get there at 11:15 gone. So I knew it. Then I got him back to the office and was like, Don't worry, Chad, Colton ruined my birthday too. So it was just like a really fun, like silly, fun day like that. And then my mom made homemade pizza and homemade ice cream cake, and it was just really nice. Smelly so good.

SPEAKER_01

It's interesting how life, you know, pivots us and takes us in different directions, and um, you know, it would be so great to be doing your dream of my all that stuff, and it's it's a bummer that just didn't happen.

SPEAKER_03

But I got to go on a road trip with jams, yeah, and life is still good, is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01

Is like there's it changes, and you know, there's still time to be had, things will change again. But I would love to go do something fun with you girlies.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we should plan something. It popped up on my calendar, Nyapa for Beth's birthday. I was like, I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Little said that too. Um but you had it on our calendars. Well, they weren't matching, but they're both um quotes from um quotes from uh what's it called? The video game that you build things, Minecraft.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I was like Sims.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, James is like, oh, I want to get um explore, dream, discover, because when you finish the game, that's what pops up. Explore Dream Discover. I was like, Can I get that too? And he's like, Yeah, but then he's like, You should look up the whole quote because it's like a whole thing. So then I looked up the Minecraft quotes and I ended up getting and the universe said I love you. Oh it ends with because you are love, but sorry, I'm gonna make my future partner someday get that part. Because you are love. But so yeah, that is and then like I didn't know where I was gonna put it, and finally I go, like, oh, right here. And James was that's where I'm gonna get mine. So like so cool. And I gotta reach you like what James texted me. Said, I love you for who you are and how compassionate and caring you are for everybody in the world. I personally don't think there's a more important thing to care about in the whole world than empathy for others and always being positive about others. I'm so grateful for your caring ways. Oh my god, I am sad about Napa too, but we got to just drive and I made him listen to the four agreements and other podcasts, and it's really cool. That's great. And we went to Memphis and Nashville and he tried like all the seafood that he's refused to try before in the past. Like he liked Grouper, he liked some different shrimp. Nice. Um, he had lamb chops that he loved. I mean, so yeah, yeah, it's truly amazing. Pivot, pivot, and that's what I kept saying when I was like, I can't like back out on that California thing, but no, I pivoted like a boss and all the blessings.

SPEAKER_01

We let go what's not meant for us, you know. It's okay. We'll have other bigger, better plans another time.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_01

We will for sure.

Purpose, Community, And Dinner Nights

SPEAKER_01

Cause that's my other thing. I'm like, I wanna, I wanna live life, I wanna enjoy life and make money from that, like from being in that flow rather than this, like, oh my gosh, you know, scary things.

SPEAKER_03

That same podcast that I kept bringing up, he said, like you have to find a job that you would do for free. And that doesn't mean that you can't change your mindset on the job that you have, you know, and find your intentions full circle, like find your intentions of why you like it. Yeah. Um, but if you're waking up every day and just doing it based, or rather than waking up and being like, what I get to do today is help people in this way or that way.

SPEAKER_02

I would literally do my job for free. Maybe just a little less of it. Like, not as like I do too much. So if I could chill it out by about 20, 40 percent, 50. Yeah. I would do that. I'd see four people a day, not nine.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, sorry. I think my purpose is bringing people together, and that's why like I'm excited for the birthday party today, because like it's not about me, it's about like all these different groups of friends that get to hang out, and my job right now I can find purpose in bringing people together for sure. But there's a lot of ways I want to bring people together, and I don't ever want to stop. Cool how that evolves.

SPEAKER_02

Lily's calling, I better get Kraken. You outta here. I got the super fun.

SPEAKER_03

I haven't hung out with either of you guys in like months. I know. I feel really bad.

SPEAKER_01

I'm sorry. I'm no you're firl. I'm either at work or at home.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. It's really hard to leave home.

SPEAKER_01

It really is.

SPEAKER_02

The older we get, the less I want to leave. I was gonna go to trippy on Wednesday. I was gonna maybe come walk with you, did nothing, stayed home. I was like the house was empty, it was so nice.

SPEAKER_03

When teleporting's a thing, then I'll be there.

SPEAKER_01

Well, and yeah, we need to make more intentional again, like like we should do a once a month dinner night at my house. Let's do that.

SPEAKER_02

Let's make dinner and yeah, it doesn't yeah, let's do that. Let's have dinner at least once a month. And you don't always have to like we don't have to do it there.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I'm trying to like bring people your space, yeah. Bring people back in the house and um cook and not spend money out. It's so perfect. I'm just missing money

Goodbye And Staying Connected

SPEAKER_01

away, eating out. Yeah, I had Pat Ty the other day for 20 bucks. I was like, what is wrong with me? Just stop it. So good. It's so good. Okay, all right, I love you. Thanks for inviting us, Beth. You're the best. Thanks, my sisters from other misters.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, mm hmm.