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The Health Huns
Ep.14 Grifters and Jaffa Cakes
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Scrolling through social media, you've likely encountered them – charismatic personalities making bold health claims, promising miraculous results, and denouncing mainstream advice. Welcome to the world of health and fitness grifters.
These modern snake oil salesmen have mastered the art of capturing attention in our short-form content world. They make outrageous claims about diet and exercise, often promoting extreme protocols while conveniently selling solutions to problems they've convinced you that you have. From the Liver King's raw organ meat diet (while secretly spending $11,000 monthly on steroids) to influencers filming themselves harassing shoppers in supermarket aisles, these characters profit from controversy and absolutist thinking.
What makes grifters particularly dangerous in the health space? They prey on uncertainty and vulnerability. When someone is desperate to improve their health, lose weight, or fix a medical issue, they become susceptible to anyone who speaks with unwavering confidence. Grifters excel at speaking in absolutes—no nuance, no individual differences, just black and white thinking. The reality is that health is complex and personal, but that doesn't sell supplements or online courses.
The damage extends beyond wasted money. At best, following grifter advice leads to restrictive, unsustainable lifestyles; at worst, it can have serious health consequences when people abandon proven treatments for "natural" alternatives. We've seen followers turn away from conventional medicine with tragic results. Many grifters also serve as gateways to conspiracy theories and alt-right ideologies, using wellness as an entry point to more extreme beliefs.
So how do you protect yourself? Look for red flags: Does the person speak in absolutes? Are they primarily selling something? Do they discourage eating fruits and vegetables? Do they engage in outrageous behavior for views? Most importantly, follow the money—genuine experts rarely need to resort to extreme claims or rage-baiting to establish credibility. Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
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Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to the Health Hans the pod where we discuss the messy side of health and fitness.
Speaker 1:From gym fails to newfound communities.
Speaker 2:We're here to help you feel like less of a failure and find your place in the messy world of health and fitness.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're recording, hello, hello.
Speaker 2:We sound sad, like we have a sad announcement to make.
Speaker 1:I'm just very hot, I'm hot. Yeah, I've been hot since the minute I woke up this morning.
Speaker 2:Same, Same. I did sit outside. I mean look how brown.
Speaker 1:I am. Look at that muscle popping in your forearm or near your elbow. Hit there, no, no, no, like. Turn your arm face your fist towards the ground. Yeah, like here. I could just point it on my body. Oh here, insane, yeah, yeah. Sorry, anne, was just flexing. I know you can't see, but you should be able to see.
Speaker 2:This is why we should do videos. People want to see.
Speaker 1:We did make a big step towards our goals today. Yeah, we did. We had a, we had a little board meeting during your gym session, yeah, and actually made some quite big, scary decisions for both of us.
Speaker 2:I think, yeah, we did because we're we're suffering a bit with burnout yeah, and should we talk about burnout for a minute?
Speaker 1:yeah, I feel like we can be very oh, just keep going, just get on. We can be a bit toxic at times.
Speaker 2:We are, yeah, because yeah, because I am like driven to like do things. I don't enjoy particularly sitting around doing nothing, but actually if you're always doing, doing, doing, you can't sit around and do the quieter things that you need to do exactly.
Speaker 1:It's not about like rotting in front of the tv. It's about, I think, having mental space, yes, where you haven't got to do a said thing, you can do whatever you want, within reason, obviously, and also sometimes the more doesn't equal progress.
Speaker 2:No, Well as we know right now.
Speaker 1:As we know right now. So there are changes coming and hopefully we'll be able to give a lot more to the health fund, because you deserve it, guys. We deserve it too, and we deserve Because we love it.
Speaker 2:Yes, we do. It's so fun. I really enjoy doing this.
Speaker 1:And we have a lot of things we want to do. We just need to make time to do them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1:Anyway, on that note, how was your week, amber? We had a funny one. Yeah, my week's been good. Yeah, ten out of ten. What was the best part of your week? Hosting a dog show. Yeah, what, right, yeah, right. I'll tell you a quick funny story about our communication levels. Okay, a few weeks ago probably a couple months ago now Amber said are you free on the 10th of August to compare? I thought she said part of a dog show. I was like, yeah, sure, no worries, I'll be there. Amber had sponsored a class, the Golden Oldies or the veteran class. Yeah, so I just assumed that we would turn up, we would host that particular class. Here's the winners, congratulations. And then we'd be free to go home no I pick amber up sunday morning.
Speaker 1:It turns out we were hosting the whole dog show and we're there for six hours.
Speaker 2:Well, that's how I've got so tanned.
Speaker 1:Yeah, albert is like so tanned. So we ended up in Swanton Morley, which is a tiny village in Norfolk. Yeah, an excellent field. An excellent field and actually a really lovely day. Yeah, hosting a dog show that we couldn't quite see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the which was a shame, with a microphone and speaker that kept making a lot of weird noises. Yeah, but it was fun. It was really fun. And what did somebody say to us?
Speaker 1:somebody said, guys, you should start a podcast, and I was like, well, if you look at the front of your program, it's actually on there the health huns, that's me and Amber. That is a podcast. So it's kind of affirming to actually people want us to start a podcast. Yeah, if they don't know, we have one yeah, because we're funny.
Speaker 2:How was your week?
Speaker 1:um, what happened? So dog show was great. I just I don't know what I said last. I should feel tired. I don't know if it's the heat, I don't know if it's. Everything going on in the world feels so heavy and I think sometimes when you're someone who likes to be aware of what's going on in the world, yeah, and socially aware of certain topics, it can be so draining just to be consuming that information and seeing it. Definitely I don't know if that's an element of things at the minute.
Speaker 2:I think it is. I think it's a mix of all of it the heat Wars, wars, genocide, racism. I mean Norwich is so racist at the moment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, and also like transphobia, homophobia, yeah, a lot of these things impact us either directly or people we know, or just going on in our immediate kind of space. Yeah, it's just heavy. So if you're feeling like this, maybe take a minute, take some time out, put your, put your phone away yeah, unfollow things, leave facebook groups yeah, and just I just think, yeah, less screen time, more just being in a field somewhere with dogs, with dogs. That was a wholesome pure day.
Speaker 2:That was a really wholesome day and they were so cute.
Speaker 1:Some of the I mean they were all cute, but some of them were cuter than others. Yeah, they were cute. I love the stocky little fat ones brick dog, brick dog, brick dog, yeah, and also, top tip, eat your kiwis in an hour before bed. It's been helping me sleep so much better has it okay two, two little kawis, kawis, kawis and uh, an hour or so before you want to fall asleep, I've been sleeping through the night like a baby. Wow, yeah, so my week's probably been like I don't know. Six out of ten.
Speaker 2:I think a 10 out of 10 was probably enthusiastic for me because I have had a lot of car trouble, but um yeah, but the dog show was great and that did.
Speaker 1:That was a highlight of my week and it made me think god, I'd love to do more stuff like this through the health funds. Yeah, like I want to be doing interviews with you and getting glammed up. Yeah, traveling, travelling the UK.
Speaker 2:Speaking at health and fitness conferences, just giving our unsolicited advice and opinions.
Speaker 1:Because I think everyone wants to hear it really. Yeah, just like Grifters, which is the episode title for today, grifters are grifting. Today, grifters are grifting, the grifters are grifting. We wanted to kind of just have a discussion about what grifters are, who the grifters are you need to watch out for and how to identify one. Yeah, the red flags. Yeah, maybe we could add that as a section in our plan red flag grifters yeah. Yeah, what red flags to look out for.
Speaker 2:What episode is this.
Speaker 1:I'm going to write that down.
Speaker 2:This is episode 14. Episode 14.
Speaker 1:Who'd have thought it? Grifters be grifting? I'd have thought it yeah, true, six more and we've got to 20. And I think only like 5% of people who start out podcasts get to episode 20. That's pretty good, I've made that statistic up, but I think it's like a really low percentage.
Speaker 2:I believed it so, but fuck it.
Speaker 1:Anyway. Okay, let's get into grifters and we'll start with saying what we personally think a grifter is.
Speaker 2:Well, I think a grifter and I love this word, I think a grifter is a person on social media in, or you know, I think they are on social media really who gains popularity through unethical, controversial advice Rage bait, rage bait, yeah, and usually they're trying to sell you some supplements or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah or their programme, yeah, or get you into a seminar. Do you know who I think the original grifter was of? Like the modern kind of like 21st century century grifter, jillian mckeith. Tony robbins tony robbins, the self-help guru. Why? You know who tony robbins is? No, uh, if you know who tony robbins is, can you please send some messages to amber? I'm gonna google him. He was like what biggest self-help guru go, tony? Robbins the stuff he used to say unlimited power, exactly okay he just sexual harassment allegations that sounds very grifter very grifter.
Speaker 1:That's probably one of our first red flags. If someone has, if they're a grifter, they probably have some. They're on probably a list somewhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, this is the thing. I'm not into self-help books, unlike you, so that's probably why I don't know who Tony Robbins is.
Speaker 1:I'm the original grifter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was thinking on. I was thinking of Tony Robinson, but is it Tony Robinson who's the man from Time Team.
Speaker 1:No, I was like that guy, the fossil guy no, tony Robbins. If you don't know, get to know. Well, don't get to know, don't get to know. But yeah, he'd be selling his courses for like $5,000 or the tickets to his seminars were like over $1,000, but they were just selling you another package at the end of it. Like a bit of MLM going on as well, yeah, all that kind of stuff. So yeah, a grifter is someone who is saying just outlandish things, normally talking in absolutes about something, no grey areas, probably misogynistic.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent.
Speaker 1:Probably a man, apart from that, bella Ramsey. Is it Bella Ramsey?
Speaker 2:Yeah, something like that. The one who said she cured cancer through like eating whole foods.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she never had cancer, the Australian one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think the thing is. I mean I have been through and sort of compiled a list of my favourite grifters, but I think there are, because there is definitely females one, there's one called the glucose goddess, and so there are definitely loads. But I guess it just depends what comes up for you in your feed. Just men, just men mainly.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just taste at them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just men, just men, mainly. Yeah, yeah. So, and I think there has been a massive rise in them with the rise of short-form media you've got to grab people's attention within the first three seconds.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's probably even less now, and a good way to do that is say something absolutely unbelievable well, and by saying something unbelievable and controversial, you're not only going to get positive engagement of people thinking you're right, you also get so much engagement of people telling you you're wrong, and all engagement is engagement and will push you higher up the list exactly and just wait till what we're gonna start doing yeah, you're not even ready for the stuff we're about to say um, yeah, and I think health and fitness and wellness, I think we need to include that in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean health, fitness, wellness yes, it's the same thing in it there are so much.
Speaker 1:there's so much uncertainty from the general population when it comes to health and fitness because there's so much misinformation out there that people will just latch on to the person that sounds the most assured. Yeah, I think that's a really good thing grifters are good at they're like. They will back themselves and literally until their last day on earth, yeah, they never will come out and say do you know what I was wrong?
Speaker 2:they'll always have something to say, always why they're right, yeah, and they, I mean the audacity. They just don't care, do they? They're going into supermarkets filming, shouting? Yeah, I mean. I've heard some of them have been banned from their local supermarkets.
Speaker 1:Well, I just think you don't need that. You don't need Eddie down the cereal aisle when you're trying to get your Coco Pops Wake the fuck up.
Speaker 2:What is this shit? It's the fucking Oatabix. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:And also people will look at him and think he's in great, he's in good shape for the age he is. He's stacked. Do you know how that muscle was built? Years of steroid abuse. Yeah, he's not stacked because he eats 50 eggs a day. Also, dude, your cholesterol is going to be sorry. Incoming core Okay, we're recording again. Brilliant. What was I saying? Yeah, so they're selling his body as look at me, I follow this diet, I eat like this and look how great shape I am.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but actually no, it was built years of steroids use, yeah, yeah and I bet there's a lot of chemicals in them that he can't pronounce.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they're not. They are definitely ultra-processed chemicals. Yeah. Oh I mean steroid juice is a whole other thing, isn't it Maybe?
Speaker 1:we should do a whole. Maybe we should get someone on here who has taken them or does take them. Yeah, get their opinion on it. We keep saying this we will eventually get a guest.
Speaker 2:I mean we have got two guests lined up, we do. We keep saying this we will eventually get a guest. I mean we have got two guests lined up, we do, but we just need to sort that out. Yeah, we need some time and some space for our little brains, yes, so yeah, I mean, like eddie abu's um cholesterol, you can't eat that many eggs a day. He's like I sat down and I ate 15 eggs. What do? Do you know what else? I just think your farts must stink, eddie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like honestly, you must be rotting from the inside out.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:There's another one, there's this other bloke ginger bloke I think and he's a carnival dieter and they're all starting to come out with, like their blood results and like they've all started to add like one or two vegetables into their diet a day, because obviously this diet is backfiring on them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you have to eat vegetables. Yeah, you need fiber. I have heard or read somewhere so look, it's not gospel, it's just something. I've heard, um, that there's a rise in bowel cancer amongst a certain generation because they are not eating enough fiber.
Speaker 1:Yep, I've heard that too, and what I read, slash heard on tiktok no, was that it was. They believe it is because of all the synthetic protein products that's been pushed to us, oh okay, over the last kind of decade. Because your protein powders, your protein bars, your low calorie syrups, all that kind of stuff. It's got nothing no goodness in it. You're not eating proper meals. You're trying to do the lowest calorie, most high protein option, yeah, and most high protein foods don't have a lot of fiber, unless you're talking about lagoons.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and even you know we love a lagoon I love a lagoon I made a little bean five bean smoky thing the other day, egg on top bit of feta cheese. It was delicious, nice. But yeah, eat your fiber. Stop eating all that meat. You freaks like. I'm back on the meat, but not to that extent.
Speaker 2:No, you have to eat vegetables and they're nice they are nice they're really good for you like even when I ate meat. I didn't really like meat, but just to think I'm eating meat and eggs rank, you know, when you have like too much of something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do they ever just think I?
Speaker 2:can't do this anymore. I wonder if, in secret, maybe some of them are eating well, this is another thing.
Speaker 1:The grifters are showing you what they want you to see and you know you're saying social media is a highlight reel well they're weird freaky highlight reel. Yeah, you cannot guarantee that's how they're living their life 24 7.
Speaker 1:Just I don't think they are they're selling you a product, they're selling you a course, they're selling you a book. They're selling you their diet plan. At the end of every pipeline to this is their money. Yeah, follow the money. And what's the easiest way to make money online? Enrage people. Yeah, get your engagement, get your likes, because also.
Speaker 2:I mean, some of them have millions of followers. So you're not just making money from selling your things, you're making money from social media. Yeah and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't often see many of them work with brands, though.
Speaker 2:That's true, because they're just eating meat and eggs. Yeah, I wonder if, sneakily, they're working with brands and they're not declaring it. If they're talking about certain things, I don't know, yeah, potentially I don't trust a grifter?
Speaker 1:I don't trust a grifter. But let's kind of flip on its head a minute, are they all right?
Speaker 2:as in like are they okay because?
Speaker 1:to get that much hate online. No matter how far removed you may think you are, you are getting attacked as a person.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Unless it is an all in act and you're just acting for the camera, because that's another thing, which brings me on to family vloggers. I'm joking, that's a whole different topic, but is this affecting their mental health, as well as the population's?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think they're just mad. Maybe they don't even go on their social medias. Maybe they just have a team. I mean, Eddie Abbo has like four million followers. I bet he is actually not doing his social media. He probably films, the videos and other people do it for him and he's just blissfully living his life. That is a dream.
Speaker 1:That's how I'd like to do social media. I'd like to do social media too. I'd like to meet and greet with the fans. Yeah, say nice things, and someone just said they're nice for me. Yeah, all in good time.
Speaker 2:It's coming October 2025 yeah, yeah, sadly, I did not win EuroMillions this week. Well, I won £4.10, but that's not going to buy us our studio yet. How many tickets did you buy, though? Four, so I am down £5.90, but, still.
Speaker 1:We win some, we lose some. Okay, so I think, moving swiftly on to what damage are they causing to people consuming this media?
Speaker 2:Well, the damage they are doing is they are influencing people to follow their diets. So carnivore diets, the Bell Ramsey telling people she cured cancer by eating healthily. People believed her.
Speaker 1:They did the same and they died. Yeah, like they literally turned their back to western medicine. Yeah, and thought, if I just eat this green juice and when you are in such a state of I would do anything to feel better or to achieve this thing or to get what I want. You are vulnerable.
Speaker 2:They are preying on the vulnerable at the, the least they're doing is making people think things aren't okay and causing more disordered eating and habits, and at the worst, they're killing people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think I've said this before, but I think there just needs to be so much more regulation within what people are allowed to post when it comes to stuff like this. Yeah, and I know that's not the social media game, because they don't. All they want is eyes on and to make money through ads and all that kind of stuff. But we can all see the rise in eating disorders and body dysmorphia and all these other things we've spoken about before, in line with the rise of social media use. Yeah, you know, it doesn't take a genius to work these things out and they literally just click onto a buzzword Cortisol, sugar addiction, glucose yeah.
Speaker 1:We'll get onto that in a minute.
Speaker 2:Carnivore, Like you know, cortisol's a massive one, isn't it? And collagen? Oh yeah, and they're all selling supplements. You don't need collagen supplements. There is not enough research into it.
Speaker 1:Do you know what else? I think grifters are very closely aligned with alt-right yeah, conspir-right yeah, conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2:Yeah, trump, yeah, yeah, they are Trump's a grifter, the king of grifters.
Speaker 1:He is the king of grifters. That's what a grifter is Trump? Yeah, he is like the model grifter. Yeah. The archetype yeah, yeah, that model grifter yeah, archetype yeah. So, yeah, that makes sense, yeah, yeah. Um, I just think because I know a lot of, I've seen people get really into a certain influencer health and wellness, fitness, if you can call them that and then very slowly, that influences content has begun to change, like anti-vax chemtrails well, especially in the wellness thing, because, as we said in our wellness episode, don't listen if you haven't listened um, soak your beans and empty your pockets.
Speaker 2:Yeah, rise of the wellness grifter. Um, you know it is heavily linked with, like anti-vax and you know that kind of stuff. It's all you know. The health, natural health, heal yourself. Sometimes you just need fucking medicine also like if that was.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that all things they say are completely false and I do think some things you can do for yourself to slightly improve. But listen here if you could naturally heal yourself, then people back in like 300, 400 years ago wouldn't have been dying of like the common cold because they would have had these natural remedies that would have kept them alive and they didn't have ultra processed food then well, they weren't going down to Tesco's and getting some turkey drummers.
Speaker 2:But do you know what they were?
Speaker 1:doing? Starving to death? Yeah, they were. So, look guys, stop trying to live like a medieval peasant.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's not fun. No one's impressed because you've got flat feet and spread out toes. Scurvy because you won't eat oranges and you've got polio because you don't have your fucking jabs. Like I'm not impressed by you, no, no, but we're going a bit.
Speaker 2:We're going, rogue, we're going rogue, I love this.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that was Jake and Kors. It's just, they fuck people up. Yeah, they really do fuck and I think they can, almost some.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there's cases of people being sentenced like a psychosis with it yeah, because people genuinely, genuinely believe this shit, like and you know I'm not, they're probably, they're probably to all these things. The counter argument is, in some tiny bit, there is probably some truth to what they say. Yes, it is good to eat protein, it probably is good to eat more healthy and eat less ultra-processed food, but it is about balance and just living a normal life. But balance is about balance, yeah, and just living a normal life.
Speaker 1:But balance is boring. Balance isn't bad, balance is boring and it doesn't sell. It doesn't sell, it doesn't get you millions of followers.
Speaker 2:It doesn't sell because you've got to be shocking, you know. I mean, we're all about balance and sadly we don't have four million followers?
Speaker 1:Not yet. Not yet. I'm going to come up with some stuff, but, like you know, james Smith, jane Smith, no, not Jane James. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, james Smith PT. He was a I don't know, could you call him a grifter.
Speaker 2:I think he's a grifter.
Speaker 1:A little bit. I don't think he's harmful. I think he does love trump, yeah, but he was like into the calorie fucking deficit thing, wasn't it? And they've seen like there was. No, it was. That's what it is. It should work for everyone. And if you, if you're coming at me with the argument that it can sometimes cause eating disorders, well, I don't care, because the majority of people need it. It's just so absolute, it's so extreme, it's so it's all offensive as well. Yeah, because you can't be like that and be a nice person.
Speaker 1:No you can't it's so offensive and ableist a lot of the time yeah and I just think look, fuckers, get back in your box, let's just, let's play a game. If the social media influencer wasn't a job that you can make money from, what do you think these men would be doing? And women for jobs, what's the?
Speaker 2:equivalent, they'd be salesmen or estate agents.
Speaker 1:They'd be Avon reps.
Speaker 2:Estate agents.
Speaker 1:Estate agents, sales reps what else They'd be in sales? Yeah, they'd be knocking on your door canvassing, yeah in sales.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they'd be knocking on your door canvassing. Yeah, yeah, they. Maybe they'd be like those charity people in the street. Hi, can I just? Hey, pretty lady, can I stop you for a minute?
Speaker 1:no, I honestly think, why are they still bothering? Yeah doing that anymore.
Speaker 1:Surely that doesn't work I don't think so I used to work in a call center trying to raise money for blind not blind dogs, for guide dogs, oh, okay, for people with like cataracts and stuff. I got called a c-u-n-t. So much, you are the og grifter. Well, I felt so bad because the only people that would ever stay on the phone were old people and they they would sign up and they didn't really know what they were signing up to. So it's kind of scamming people. I I just stopped turning up for my job. I I got fired. Yeah, good riddance, but yeah um grifters.
Speaker 1:Grifters are scammers, basically yeah yeah, they are the Nigerian prince. Yeah, they are, yeah. Well, let's talk about some of our favorite grifters on social media. We've mentioned a couple already. You've got a list.
Speaker 2:I've got a list so this one has a documentary currently on Netflix, I believe the liver king yeah, if they've got a Netflix documentary, another red flag, I think yeah, um. So the liver king basically made all these videos about him and it's like him slaughtering animals, eating their guts straight from the animals, and like how eating raw organ meat made him so hench. Did he eat test testicles?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, fucking freaking.
Speaker 2:But then I think halfway through the documentary it got leaked that he was spending $11,000 a month on steroids and he had to come out and be like, yeah, I am. I haven't got this through just eating raw organ meat. I took steroids.
Speaker 1:But did you see his exercise videos as well?
Speaker 2:He had like a spider web of resistance bands, yeah, and I don't know what he was doing with that, but that's the thing If you sometimes make something look really complicated and different to what everyone else is doing, people are like oh my God, he must know everything.
Speaker 1:And also, like, I'm not saying that this is an issue at all. I'm all for this, but he is a man that likes to get pegged by his wife. Yeah, and I'm all for that. Yeah, I'm just saying like, I just think that's what he would like yeah and that's fine, because he just it just looks like this is taking a really weird turn.
Speaker 2:I can't help, but when I get to look at it, I just think, yeah, I think, actually, each of these grifters, we should give them a 1 out of 10 on how much they must be pegged by their wife or pegged by anyone, by anyone can I just explain that being pegged isn't bad.
Speaker 1:I don't want to yuck anyone's yum, but you know what I mean. Yeah, okay, right. So he's definitely 10 out of 10 pegged. I don't want to yuck anyone's yum, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, right, so he's definitely 10 out of 10, thanks 10 out of 10. Okay, so the next on my list is a local one to us who has not made it to the high heights that he would like. Okay, I know this one, the Hench.
Speaker 1:Herbivore yeah, let me see if I can you tell us why you don't like him. Well, the Hench Herbivore is oh well, he's your favourite, Sorry.
Speaker 2:He is a vegan personal trainer, nutritionist and it's just bullshit. I hate his videos. There's lots of videos of him wasting food. So I actually commented on one of his videos and he just deleted my comment. So there was one where he was smashing a home like pre-made vegan mac and cheese into his face, saying this is fucking shit and showing you how to make this repulsive one with what looked like some boiled mushrooms on the side. And there was another one where he ran over a packet of sausages like vegan sausages because they were so bad and like he's made videos about. Like you know, he's an aldi and he's like oh god, don't buy this olive oil in a plastic bottle, micro plastics but then he's picking up packets of plastic microwave rice.
Speaker 1:Think it through Also. I'm on his Instagram now. He's covered in so much fake tan.
Speaker 2:Well, he actually made a YouTube video once about him preparing for a bodybuilding competition and you know they have to make themselves very brown and he sort of he made it quite racist, he sort of made this joke about being Jamaican.
Speaker 1:So not only is he a knob, but he's also a racist. Yeah, this is what I mean Misogyny. Oh right, trump, I do think it's all aligned.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, oh my God, the best one. Like he's got a wife who has to go around and film him, but he posted a picture on there. Ah, the best day has happened. Finally, gemma has got to her goal weight. She's been stuck for years and she's so happy. This is his wife. Yeah, she went on a retreat somewhere with a grifter, basically who heals you through, thought, wow, to think her way into losing weight. I guess I grifters, yeah, and other grifters, grifters or grift.
Speaker 1:And also, like I'm not sure if all, uh, maybe his muscle was built naturally. No, maybe it wasn't. We're not saying one or the other, but sometimes critical thinking is a skill you need to use, yeah, but I'm sure you know deep down, he oh, I found that post.
Speaker 2:It's not that bloody different, is it? But, honestly, like she's healed. She's been on a retreat and she's healed. Joe dispenser, of course, yeah, she's been on a retreat and she's now healed through the power of thinking all right, rate him out of 10.
Speaker 1:Then I don't know, I think. I think he's probably homophobic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think he might like it if he tried it. Yeah, but he wouldn't, because he couldn't let himself.
Speaker 1:No homo right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he couldn't just chill out and relax Plastic? Yeah, plastic Couldn't be having that inside his body. So yeah, I mean, maybe if he just loosened up a bit he might enjoy it. Oh my god, can we actually post this?
Speaker 1:we haven't said everything's alleged here it's true. These are just our own personal opinions and this is stuff.
Speaker 2:This is actual things that's posted on the internet and our opinions.
Speaker 1:You can see it if you don't want anyone to have an opinion on you. Hide in your house. Yeah, okay, next person god we're gonna get. Why do we have to choose someone that lived in the same city as us? Because he's ridiculous. Okay, go on then, eddie abbo, you can't.
Speaker 2:You cannot have a list of grifters without having eddie. Do you know?
Speaker 1:what I. When he first popped up on my tiktok a couple years ago, I kind of some of the stuff. I was like, yeah, makes sense, like he was talking about. You know, you don't want to cut out all the natural fats and stuff and you want to keep them in. And then he said this one thing about breast milk, breast milk formula. I got breast milk on the mind. That's what I would sell. He was talking. He went into a shop. You know know he picked up stuff and he goes what does he say? Wake the fuck up. Yeah, he was saying how formula was really bad and for the shit, and kids need their mum's breast milk and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:And you just can't say that shit because, like fed is best in my opinion and I was formula fed and look at me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so is my son. It's food, it's for Ivan it's food, yeah, and I just think you can't. That's too far that is too far.
Speaker 2:You can't say that.
Speaker 1:Because there could be parents out there who are vulnerable, who are in the depths of post-natal depression, who are judging themselves harshly anyway, feeling the extreme parent guilt you get and sell that one video and who knows what that's going to do with their mental health. Yeah, because there's a lot of pressure on parents out there. That was the one thing for me and I thought you've crossed the line and you need to stay in your own fucking lane. I don't think he's even done a nutrition course. Maybe he has. I think his thing was about reversing diabetes. Well, I mean.
Speaker 1:I believe I think at the beginning he came across with good intentions and then his social media team was like you need to be saying stuff like this. And that brings it to the other question is do they really mean this stuff or is it for the clicks? And they're? You know it's for the clicks, a bit like the Bonnie Blue documentary I watched the other day. She said Bonnie Blue, oh yeah. She was like it's rage bait. It works. I know what gets people riled up. I know what gets clicked and that gets people to my site. Yeah, and that woman is wealthy.
Speaker 1:I say fair play to her, I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2:No Well, you definitely couldn't, I definitely couldn't do it.
Speaker 1:No, well, you definitely couldn't, I definitely couldn't. Oh yeah, I'm just having a look at Eddie Abu's, his original.
Speaker 2:Well, no, it's only from the 15th of February. Maybe he had diabetes.
Speaker 1:I feel like there was something he referred.
Speaker 2:A borderline type 2 diabetic. My body was breaking, so he was borderline, so he was pre-diabetic. And do you?
Speaker 1:know what I love the most about grifters is their like come up stories or their background, maybe I could be a grifter, what would you do? I'm selling breast milk. What are you selling? I'll tell you what. Think about it. Let's go through the rest of your list and then, we'll, we'll, we'll create your grifter persona, our grifter profiles, Our grifter profiles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so my next one is a guy called Tonic Health. Okay, so in his bio it says unprocessed truth and a picture of a Union Jack flag.
Speaker 1:That puts me off immediately.
Speaker 2:He sells his own sugar-free vitamins in supermarkets that are in, I'm assuming, plastic bottles. Okay, I would assume I'm going to have to have a little look.
Speaker 1:So he's made it to the mainstream.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me just get him up and see how many followers. That's hard to get into retail.
Speaker 1:I tell you he's got 788,000 followers A lot. There's not that many in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, His Says to me like 1,100. They're in plastic bottles. What the fuck is that on the front?
Speaker 2:It looks like a Butt plug.
Speaker 1:Or the top of a vibrator. Well, we can, we can. We'll rank that one in a minute. We have a lot to say about that yeah, so they're 28 pence a gummy.
Speaker 2:That's too much money 28 pence a gummy.
Speaker 1:How many gummies are in there?
Speaker 2:not many, I mean. It says plastic, what's plastic neutral.
Speaker 1:Is that like no net?
Speaker 2:Also, it says sugar-free but actually has 0.6 grams in, so that is not sugar-free. Yeah, but then there's certain percentages that you can say sugar, but he's lying.
Speaker 2:He's lying, anyway. So he basically makes videos about things in supermarkets that have sugar in them, about things in supermarkets that have sugar in them. He makes videos about like he goes into supermarkets. There was one with him, like with a recent one, is him chopping on a plastic chopping board and he's like stop chopping on plastic chopping boards because? And he's like chopping this board and then scraping it and he's like look at all this plastic going into you and he's saying to use wooden ones. But then there's videos of him further back using plastic chopping boards wait till he hears about tampons.
Speaker 1:I know jesus bloody hell.
Speaker 2:um. So I mean, yeah, he's very contradictory because he's telling you these things because it's a big thing, microplastics, but yet he's been doing it. One of my favorites he's posted recently these things because it's a big thing, microplastics, but yeah, he's been doing it. One of my favorites he's posted recently. He goes into Lidl's, the sacred Lidl bakery, which is a great place, yeah, and he's like, oh, the secret truth of Lidl bakery. You see this, you think they're doing a good thing, you think?
Speaker 1:there's a sourdough.
Speaker 2:Then he gets the ingredients up and it's all just like normal stuff Sugar, Sugar yeah and the thing is right.
Speaker 1:All these people living in the extremes, let's say they are living like this in their everyday life. What is their vice?
Speaker 2:Pugging yeah.
Speaker 1:What? Everyone has a little vice, Everyone. Some of them aren't that bad. Some of them are quite extreme. I think the more extreme you live like trying to be pure and good and whatever, the bigger your vice is and the more fucked it is.
Speaker 2:You're probably on crack.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like the super Christian men in America. It's like the Handmaid's Tale. Right they're all trying to live this pure life and they go to these weird sex parties. Yeah, so I'm thinking what are these people? If they're not having sugar or they're avoiding anything with more than a gram of sugar in, what are they doing? Where are they finding joy? Probably barefoot, walking on the grass somewhere. Probably, yeah. Who have we got next on your list? Oh, out of 10. How likely does he?
Speaker 2:nine a nine, solid nine, yeah, a nine for pegging, so next up I mean, I have mixed feelings on this one because I don't necessarily think they are a total grifter, okay, but they have been very controversial recently, yeah, and there's some things that they say that I really like. On the exercise part, yeah, joe Wicks.
Speaker 1:Joe Wicks. Oh, he's just so. I love Joe Wicks. He's just like you know lean and 15.
Speaker 2:He also said something about breast milk. He said he had a bad start to life because he wasn't breastfed. Well, he's done all right. He's done all right. He's done all right. I think he had a bad start to life because his dad was an addict and his mom had severe anxiety, not because he wasn't breastfed. Look like he did have a difficult start to life. There's no denying that. So he recently has come in, so he's been on a.
Speaker 2:I'm giving up sugar because I was a sugar addict he's been on a restrictive diet yeah, and he basically posted a video the other day saying I've relapsed because I've eaten a packet of jaffa cakes and then I had a banana, which led to me in an orange, an apple, three pears and a kiwi. All of this, all of this sugar, and now I'm craving sugar because of all of that sugar in the fruits and the jaffa cake you could only do a sleeve of jaffa cake. Yeah, I could eat like you know those, those like meat along the christmas ones yeah, I could eat 12 of them.
Speaker 2:What are you talking about, joe?
Speaker 1:yeah and also the jaffa cakes led you on to a banana and the banana led you onto a bed. What are you? A hungry, fucking caterpillar.
Speaker 2:Sorry, Amber.
Speaker 1:Okay, sorry, amber's mechanic just rung. I mean, look at us, both of us have had a call from mechanics today, and relatively good news, I hope. Yeah, mine passes.
Speaker 2:MOT, and I've just found the most amazing. I don't think they're called mechanics anymore, I think they're called technicians. Sorry, I've found the most amazing. I don't think they're called mechanics anymore, I think they're called technicians. I've found the most amazing auto technician ever, who's very trustworthy and has got my car fixed in a day. Well isn't he.
Speaker 1:He is not a grifter, he's a good man, we'll add him to the safe man list yes, we will.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell him that when I go down so Joe Wicks eating all his sugary fruit and he's relapsed and he's now on a sugar spiral.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god, I mean if he was like relapsed onto crack cocaine, like maybe it might be a relapse, but eating a packet of jaffa cakes and then fruit, yeah yeah, I mean, I myself would say that I am like you know, I was a binge eater, and if I eat a packet of Oreos which does happen sometimes I'm not like, oh my god, I've relapsed. I'm just like, okay, well, now I've eaten them.
Speaker 1:I Like. Have you ever opened a tube of Pringles and just not eaten all of them?
Speaker 2:No, no, you have to eat them all Like. Calm down, Jo. As long as you're not eating 7,000 packets of Jaffa Cakes a day, what's the issue? There's no issue. There's no.
Speaker 1:It's just some Jaffa Cakes, I think let's talk about maybe what, why this has been a bit of a controversy, controversy, controversy, yeah, this week, and maybe what. The consequences of him's coming online and saying this are especially for his target audience, which I would argue are middle-aged women yeah, they are middle-aged women.
Speaker 2:Um well, it it's just promoting disordered eating. That binge restrict? Yeah, because actually the one thing that I have found in my time of learning to I don't know eat more responsibly, I don't know what the right word is Eat responsibly kids. Is that I don't restrict anything. If I want something, I have it, and actually by having it it means that sometimes I don't actually really even want it, because I've had it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, unconditional permission to eat. Google that there's books on it, but I think it's probably the most. It's a radical way of getting a balance of your food. Yeah, done properly with the right information and stuff. But yeah. Yeah, I wonder if Joe Wicks, because he must have a.
Speaker 2:PR team. Oh, I mean, this is the thing I doubt he is doing his social media, because he hasn't put any. There's been lots of people make videos about it, yeah, and talk about it, and there's been no response from him at all. No, I mean from him at all.
Speaker 1:So I mean he, he has a pr team because do you remember a few months ago when he put that, neil, that picture of himself online and this and his dick was saying out it's like aladdin's magic carpet down there? Yeah, it's like whoa joe, like I do think it stays quiet for a while and I'm pretty sure he then brought out something after that happened. Yeah, you want to get your name up in the search ranks, you want to get your engagement?
Speaker 2:well, he's bringing out a new cookbook I, I don't protein in 15, no way, yeah, oh, fuck off I could do that I mean. This is my, so I think exercise exercise wise.
Speaker 2:He's been doing some great things. He's promoting slow running, just getting out moving your body, doing stuff for kids, blah, blah, blah. He does do some very good things, but I remember a guy I used to work with paying for like one of his programs and, honestly, the food it was such a tiny amount of food and this is for like a fully grown man Like and it was ridiculous like 15 grams of low fat cottage cheese and four garlic cloves. I don't know I made that up but it was. You know it was a really ridiculous and it just was not sustainable and also I don't know what his qualifications are.
Speaker 2:He's a personal trainer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but as a personal trainer I'm not qualified to go online and give out specific nutritional advice.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:But that is not in my remit of qualification. I can't just go and say I can't start saying you need to eat this to lower your cortisol or you need this specific diet. I can go calories in calories out.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I can share my opinion, but I'm not actually qualified to be like specific. Yeah, and I don't think he is. I doubt he's done a CPD course, since he's done his personal training absolutely not which is fine, because he's not the worst of them.
Speaker 2:He's not the worst, and I think he's on the cut he's not. I don't know if he's a, I don't know if he's a grifter, but he does great grifty behavior sometimes, some grifty behaviour sometimes. Some grifty behaviour. There's some red flags, yeah, but he does. I do also not hate him.
Speaker 1:I don't hate him. And do you know what? I don't think he probably gets pegged because he's got a lot of kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, so I just don't think he's not. He hasn't got time for that.
Speaker 1:No, as in, he's making a lot of children a lot of the time. Do you know what I mean? So, joe Wicks, you did a silly thing, but I do think it's PR stunt. Hmm, oh, he's such a like living room friendly prime time TV, yeah you know, your mum's best friend. Yeah, image your mum fan best friend image.
Speaker 2:Your mum fancies him. He's a good looking man. Yeah, he's quite good looking Now he's got older.
Speaker 1:Yeah, joe Wicks, no hate to you, but what the fuck?
Speaker 2:Yeah, just eat the Jaffa.
Speaker 1:Cakes, yeah, okay, where are we up to? So well, that is my list of grifters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't. They're the ones I would have picked. I couldn't be bothered to go through anymore, to be honest. No, but you get the idea.
Speaker 1:If someone is selling you a solution that solves 99 problems, it's a lie. I've got a list of anti-grifters. Oh, go on then.
Speaker 2:We've mentioned him before. Yeah, joshua Hill's nutrition. Yeah, if you follow him. Debunking grifters yeah, I don't know much about this guy, but he seems to be quite respected. If you're into this kind of thing, mr Gut Health, that's where I learned about my Kiwi trick.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like him. Yeah, because people are into gut health, aren't? They and that guy who? What's his name? Tim, something from the Zoe. You know that thing. Where you is, it called Zoe.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the one. You stick the thing in your arm and it gives you blood sugar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like he's supposed to be a grifter.
Speaker 1:He is a grifter, but Mr Gut Health I believe, um, but mr gut health, I believe, is quite, he's an actual scientist and qualified seems to say some quite reasonable things, yeah, and he like works with people every day, like I think, in a practice yeah yeah, and he's not telling you you should or shouldn't do something. He's saying this is what I do yeah my gut health because of this research yeah and some of his food looks. It's not about restriction. It's not about calories. It's not about restriction. It's not about calories.
Speaker 2:It's not about. No, he's eating olive oil, and he's just eating food.
Speaker 1:He's just eating food, and I think Josh Hill's backed him. I think they're friends as well.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I mean, maybe all three of these three are friends, because the other one I've got is Michael Yalowa PT. Oh, yeah, he, I just think he's like. He's like, yeah, sometimes I'm too busy to work out because I want to have fun with my kids. Yeah, Like, and you know, sometimes I want to do this Like it's about just living your life.
Speaker 1:It is. He's like us. Yeah, he could be a health hon. He could be a health hon. It'd be good to get, maybe him on the pod. I mean we could ask him when we get a bit bigger maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'll be worth his time.
Speaker 1:Someone's got to give us a chance, someone. It's the only way we're going to grow.
Speaker 2:But I do like him. I think his content is really good and he's just normal and that's what we need more of just normal people.
Speaker 1:I don't want to live in the extremes anymore. I'm actively trying to build myself a soft life at the minute Because I'm tired and I don't want to be this tired at 26.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:No. That's ridiculous, that is ridiculous, and I just want a soft life. I don't want to have to be eating cow's testicles? Absolutely not have to be eating cows testicles? Absolutely not. No, not even now. You're back on the meat. Not even now I'm back on the meat. You couldn't get a testicle in my mouth.
Speaker 2:No, absolutely not so I guess, what can you do to avoid being grifted, grifted I think if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Speaker 1:If they are saying super controversial, controversial things, it's probably rage bait and not true if they're using it to sell their own supplements program seminars. They're probably grifting, yeah, if they don't eat fruit and veg or actively discourage you from eating fruit and vegetables. Grifting, grifting, yeah, if they do silly videos like smashing mac and cheese in their face.
Speaker 2:Shouting at a box of Otabix in a supermarket.
Speaker 1:Yeah, double grift, double grift. Like, just take a minute to think. I'll tell you what. Send it to us, send it to the health funds. Just send us the video or tag us in the comments. We'll debunk it and we will comment back. Grifter, no grifter. Yeah, you know, if you need a bit of guidance, we're here for you very qualified huns with a lot of opinions, opinions.
Speaker 1:We're here for you, yeah, anytime. Do you know what that went? That was a really nice episode. I had fun. That was fun. We had no idea really what we. I just messaged you yesterday be like, let's do a grifter episode, yeah and I think it's it's.
Speaker 2:I mean it's interesting because this just influences people so much. And I hear people I mean the big one for me at the minute and I think maybe this is something to do like. Maybe I think we should do a minisode on like different, like buzzwords and things. Yeah, ultra processed food and I've seen loads of people, oh, cutting out ultra processed food we need. If we didn't have ultra processed food, nothing would last literally.
Speaker 1:Have you had a scurvy?
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean like they didn't have ultra processed foods and they were out sailing in seven seas and there's a difference between ultra processed food, like buying a loaf of bread, or exclusively eating, like I don't know, some kind of neon red chili coated chicken nugget or something. Do you know what I mean? All in all, in moderation, yeah, exactly, you can still have that, you can have anything. But if you have that, maybe have some peas with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I know right now, I'm gonna make noodles from an instant noodle packet when I get home with two half boiled eggs, yolk in the middle, soy sauce, crispy onions. All of that is processed, even the egg, because it was processed in a chicken's womb.
Speaker 2:I'm having. What am I having tonight? I'm having some rice salad thing from Gusto, yeah, but it's got soy sauce.
Speaker 1:That's fermented, isn't it Soy sauce? Is that? So that's a process it goes through, yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's got other things in it that are processed. I'm not just eating, you know, a grain of rice that I freshly picked from my rice field in the back, and we ain't got the climate for it.
Speaker 1:So that was episode 14. On the grifters the grifters what were you going to say, amber? I don't know. Sorry, I cut you off. I don't know. It's gone. Oh, apologies, it's okay. So next week we'll do an ultra process. Oh no, well, well, well, well, we might have time to do a little minisode. Yeah, okay, so next week won't be a full episode because we're both busy. I'm away.
Speaker 2:I've actually got some time off whoa, but then the next week I'm not here.
Speaker 1:Yeah so we're gonna try. There may be a week with no episode, but we're gonna try and do a minisode now.
Speaker 2:I think there will be, oh, because yeah, we've, we've got one in the wings We've been prepared. So you will have this and then there will be a couple of Minisodes, but sort of interesting ones, yeah, sort of interesting ones A little. Sort of interesting. God, I'm really selling this.
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