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Ep.22 Self-Sabotage and How To Overcome It
Ever feel like you’re the one standing between you and your goals? We break down self-sabotage with unflinching honesty and a lot of practical warmth—why we set giant, glittering plans we can’t sustain, how “start on Monday” thinking keeps us looping, and what actually works when life is busy and motivation is low. From skipped summer runs to snack-only days and overstuffed to-do lists, we trace the real patterns that derail progress and show how to make change so small it finally sticks.
We explore the traps that look productive but aren’t—overcomplicating training, rigid meal rules, and chasing goals you don’t really want because they sound impressive. Instead, we focus on building a tiny ladder of habits: a 15-minute walk before any 5K plan, one class with a friend before a full programme, and simple meals that fit your schedule. We talk future-self planning that removes friction, the identity shift of becoming “the person who shows up,” and how to let go of goals that don’t align so you stop ghosting your own commitments.
There’s also a candid look at fear of success and imposter syndrome—what happens when work grows, when results arrive, or when you worry being “too committed” makes you less relatable. The solution isn’t perfection; it’s personalisation. Design a blueprint that suits your attention span, energy, and preferences, then repeat the basics without the drama. You’re not failing; your plan might just be too big. Shrink it, simplify it, and keep going.
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SPEAKER_00:Oh my god. I've got cramped. I'm sorry. Anyway, yeah, no, I'm fine.
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SPEAKER_01:Hello. Hello. Welcome to episode 22 of The Health Huns.
SPEAKER_02:Feels like ages since I've seen you, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we should really catch up more often.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I'm just moving in with you, to be honest, at this rate.
SPEAKER_01:Well we did joke about that last week because I think if you actually tally up the amount of hours we spend speaking to each other, seeing each other, or recording this podcast, a lot. It's definitely more than I probably speak to Meg. Yeah. So and you can't like look, like I said, there's a spare bedroom downstairs. You could just live in the office. Yeah. I'm in. Pugs can come.
SPEAKER_02:Meg would have no say then. Yeah, I'll drew up a contract. You'd just like unofficially be their stepmum and Meg. Thinking you'd have a brother. A brother? Oh yeah, they're girls. What? I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm waffling.
SPEAKER_01:Right, today's episode before Amber Loses the plot is all about self-sabotage. Um, but before we get into that, how's your week been, Amber?
SPEAKER_02:Do you know what? If you listened to the podcast that we did on communities, you'd already know. It's been alright. It's been good. It's been okay. Yeah. Same.
SPEAKER_01:I tell you what, I really did enjoy our gym trip.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, me too. I really enjoyed it.
SPEAKER_01:And it was really hard for me to take a step back and not PT you. Because I don't know if people know this, but gyms are really funny about the non-if their PTs don't pay rent for a gym and they start like coaching clients, they get really arsy. Fair enough, because you're then using that for free. Yeah. And they are they're always watching. Yeah. They're always watching. So you did well. You were a solo gymmer.
SPEAKER_02:I was. I did some RDLs.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Bent over Rose. Bent Over Rose. Oh, the press. The booty builder.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I didn't like that.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, it was just like a hip thrust thing. Pretty much naked on it. Pretty much naked, yeah. You had the wrong shorts on the I shouldn't have been like bending over in those shorts, but it is what it is.
SPEAKER_01:So self-sabotage. How would you describe self-sabotage? Let's not go for a proper definition, let's go for our own definitions.
SPEAKER_02:Well, self-sabotage is basically putting barriers, doing things to stop you achieving what you want to achieve.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Even if you really want it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And sometimes those barriers you think are positive things, but they're not.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Some theories behind self-sabotage is like you're scared of the success. You're scared of the identity shift that comes along with achieving the goal. The pressure that comes with achieving a goal is too much. Often when you're looking to do something new, bigger, different, it means coming out of your comfort zone. So it can be like a subconscious way of protecting you because it keeps you in your comfort zone by putting in the barriers or yeah, yeah. It's a weird one why we do it. Because we're the only ones getting in our way a lot of the time from our goals.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Do you know what I think personally? Shall I talk about some of the things I think I do to self-sabotage? I would love that. I think I self-sabotage by setting goals that are like they're not small enough. So they're unachievable.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I think I set goals that so they're not achievable. So I it's all or nothing. I get burnt out. I get disheartened because I can't do them. I mean, sometimes even just setting a goal is too much for me.
SPEAKER_01:I think you don't often know you're self-sabotaging when you're self-sabotaging though, do you? No. You have to really reflect and think, oh, this is like a repeating pattern of behaviour. Like I get so far, and it can be loads of different goals, it doesn't have to be the same one you're trying to hit. And then I can't seem to get any further along the journey.
SPEAKER_02:Something we both self-sabotage with is like when we've got a running event coming up. Yeah. And you know, this summer, if I'd have actually trained properly, if I'd have not been like, oh, it's too hot, I'm not gonna go for a run. Oh, I can't breathe properly on my run at the minute. I had so many excuses because I didn't really want to do it. But then it got to the day, and I really wished that I had done it. But that was self-sabotage. And you like, I mean, you weren't as bad as me, but you again don't follow. But then maybe we don't need such a strict plan. Maybe it's just like we'll just get out and run.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe it's also because we're scared of failing or not being good enough for something. So we don't want the embarrassment of having actually trained really hard for something and still being shit.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah. Both of us are guilty of wanting, if we do something, we tend to know we're gonna be good at it anyway.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And if we're not gonna be running. No. And if we're not gonna be good at it, we just won't bother.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. And I think secretly in my head, I was sort of like, I don't want to do Ron Norwich. But then I did want to do it. It was a weird one.
SPEAKER_01:I think a really common self-sabotaging thing is when people want to lose weight. Hmm. It's a tricky one. When you really think about it, it makes no fucking sense as to why we do this. So, like, I guess when someone's on a weight loss journey, they'll go, I don't know, like go crazy at the weekend or something, or I think the issue with weight loss journeys is people see it as a a like a short-term thing, and then you get to your destination and then you stop, but it's not, it's such a lifelong thing.
SPEAKER_02:But until you realize that, it's very like, well, I'll I want to lose a stone by this date, and I want to do this by this date, and then I'll be where I am. Yeah, and they people put and me included, put so much pressure on meeting these targets. Be I want to be this size by my holiday, I want to lose 25 pounds by the time I go to Mexico. I saw that on someone's Instagram this week. Um I did not imagine you were Mexican. No, no. I no, because there's this pressure, people go all in on being strict, and that doesn't work for very few. I mean, I I'm sure it does for some people, but for most people, being super strict, having all or nothing does not work. So then you end up, I'm using this term lightly, like falling off the wagon, because that's the term used, and then it's like, oh well, I'll start on Monday. Yeah, like why are you starting on Monday? If you really want to do this, of all the times that I've been losing weight, the time I've been successful successful is when I thought, okay, I have just devoured whatever I wanted to eat, but I don't need to carry that on till Monday because I would carry it on till Monday. Now I've finished, just start again.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and it's not even having to start again, is it? It's like, okay. That's done.
SPEAKER_02:I I wanted that, I had it.
SPEAKER_01:My next meal, I'm still gonna eat what I planned, or whatever, whatever. Yeah, procrastination is another form of self-sabotage, like putting things off, like you were saying, putting your start date off because oh, I'm busy now. I think that's another thing people do. They don't start things because oh, life is busy right now. Whatever yeah you're going for, whatever it is, whatever category it's in, life is always gonna be busy for most people. Granted, you may have a particular stressful time in life, you know. But most people, there's gonna be birthday parties, there's gonna be holidays, there's gonna be work events, there's gonna be kids to get to school. Like that's gonna be life for the foreseeable. Yeah, and if you can find a way to build your systems without sounding like a bro, to match your lifestyle, your results may be slower than you want them to be, but they're gonna be sustainable, so you might as well start at the busiest point in your life because you can do it when you're at your busiest, you can then definitely do it when you've got more time, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I think with the whole like starting too big and stuff, you know, if you're like, well, I'm gonna join the gym and I'm gonna get really strong and I'm gonna run.
unknown:Sorry. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:I'm sorry. Anyway, yeah, no, I'm fine.
SPEAKER_02:Are you sure?
unknown:Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Um, when people are like, no, I'm gonna join the gym, I want to get really strong, I want to deadlift 150 kilos, I want to run three times a week, I'm gonna go to Pilates. If you have a very sedentary lifestyle, rather than thinking about doing all that, maybe just start by going every single night, I'm gonna go for a 15-minute walk around the block. Yeah. And then that becomes so normal and part of your routine. And then, like, you could maybe be like, okay, one day a week, rather than walking, I'm gonna do walk-run intervals or something. Like, just don't overcomplicate things so that it puts you off.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I actually filmed a reel about this today, and I think the two biggest killers of we'll talk about health and fitness because we are the health funds, of reaching a health and fitness goal is overcomplicating the process and having way too high expectations, the two things you just said. Because then there's so many opportunities for you along the way to self-sabotage, yeah, because there's so many steps to climb. Whereas if you give yourself a goal that is like this, if if you're listening to this, I'm just holding my two fingers up. It's about an inch.
unknown:An inch.
SPEAKER_01:If the goal from you where you are now to where you want to be, it's about an inch, well, then you've got less of a tuning to self-sabotage, right? And then you get to the next bit and you make it a little tiny ladder. You might take you three years, but it's gonna stick. The ladder of success. The ladder of success. Get me on a fucking self-help podcast.
SPEAKER_02:Um, yeah, and like when I started going to the gym, I had not done any exercise for years, but I had been to a body pump class before, and I knew that that was achievable. And I was like, well, I'm gonna join the gym and I have to go at least twice a week.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I have to go, and I went to classes that my friend went to because that would keep me accountable, and it obviously has progressed from there, but I wasn't like I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. Like, I you know, I I knew that I I couldn't I couldn't do it all.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that's another thing, like there's so many ways that you can self-sabotage yourself. It could be like maybe you know this week's gonna be busy, and you've got no plan in place. You haven't like put in the diary when you're gonna go to the gym or when you're gonna go and see your friend, or when you're gonna take time for yourself. So just by not planning and looking ahead, you're setting your future self up for failure, but you could avoid that. So I always think a really good way to avoid self-sabotage is to put yourself. I am sounding a bit woo-woo, but in your future self's shoes. So even if that's you in a week, it's like, okay, what is what am I gonna need next Wednesday? It am I gonna be too busy? Do I need to prepare something? Do I need to put something in the like book something in, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you don't want to fuck it up for that person, your future you.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I have a good example of today. So I've been trying to eat proper meals rather than eating snacks because I haven't prepped anything. And all week I've been really good. Like, I've been having like bagels for breakfast, I had like just like pasta bolognese for lunch, and then whatever I have for dinner. Today I came to see you and had a bagel with marmite before I came, and then I had to get petrol, and I was a little bit hungry, and I thought, oh, I'm going to get tattooed. So I brought, I went to the BP garage that has an MS, and I brought like a a protein ball, which was delicious, but it was not a meal. Not a meal.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Uh so I had that and I had two rice cakes, and then I this I was getting tattooed at I thought it was going to be two, but it was one. Oh my god. Also, I went to Costa and had a vegan toasty, which like with more of a meal. Yeah. And then I went into Holland and Barrett and brought these delicious raspberry licorice sticks, and they only had them in packs of four. And I was like, well, I can I can just have one a day. I've eaten all four of them. Whereas if I'd have like thought, right, I'm going to, I've got my PT, have my bagel, take a banana for after, and then like either when you have your like before you go back out, eat something or take something with you, or have a plan, I wouldn't have like eaten all of those snacks. And there's nothing wrong with eating all of those snacks at all, but I am trying to eat more regular, bigger meals, so I'm not hungry, and I'm trying to eat vegetables. I because sometimes I just don't eat that many vegetables. So I'm trying to make sure I have loads of vegetables, like at least with my lunch and my dinner because I'm a health hun. And uh, but that is where I self-sabotage today because I just didn't think about it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that's not inherently bad, like you're not some big failure, you're not you're human, it's a really human thing to do, behavior, whatever, and no one is judging you for it. But I think it becomes an issue when you're just you're getting you keep saying you want to do something, and you're like, but but this, but this, but this, and actually, sometimes you are the only thing in your way, and if you can rec like, you've just recognised one of your self-sabotaging behaviours. If you can then begin to recognise and call yourself out, then you can start making changes.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and like, you know, we've got the Gate 5K committee meeting tonight, and I will have my dinner after that, and I'll just have what I was planning on having for dinner. Like, I'm not gonna be like, oh, I've eaten loads of snacks today, so I can't have dinner because actually I haven't eaten enough, I might have eaten a lot of calories, but I haven't eaten enough snacks to feel full. Yeah, so I need to have my normal dinner, and then I'll just get on with my life. Whereas in the past, that could have made me spiral, and I'd be like, Well, fuck it, I'll start again on Monday.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, what are you having for dinner?
SPEAKER_02:Well, maybe jack of potato, cheese and beans, egg mayo. No. Or like we I make this like um oh it's like a fajita bowl.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, with the with the mint the the non-meat mints and yeah, well, I will use the chicken. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Like non-meat chicken. So maybe that um I that will probably be that'll be quicker to cook, so probably that delicious. I also think do you think sometimes people self-sabotage because they actually don't care about achieving those goals, and they almost say it because they feel like people think that they should want to do them. Like, do they actually care about the goal?
SPEAKER_01:That's a really interesting point. Um, maybe that is an element of it because I do think obviously we're human, we follow the crowd, we we kind of want to fit in, and we do things based on what we perceive other people's expectations of us are, right? Yeah, yeah, because I I try and think of see, I'm I'm someone who really struggles to see when I've actually hit a goal, but the times I've actually achieved something, I've really wanted it, I've aligned with it, like it is important to me, there's a strong why behind it. No, not every goal you ever want has to be like that, but I don't self-sabotage those ones because it's meaningful, like my fitter, faster, stronger one at the minute. Yeah, I I'm trying to design the process of achieving that goal of recognizing my self-sabotaging behavior, so trying to design it in a way where I can avoid self-sabotage, but it's also I'm really driven by it at the minute, so I don't want to fuck it up. So yeah, maybe do you actually want to achieve the thing you're setting out to?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, do you just think that uh do you just want to be uh follow the crowd or do you just think that people uh think that you should want to or be doing something?
SPEAKER_01:Hmm. Interesting, maybe some self-reflection, some introspection needs to be done.
SPEAKER_02:If you keep failing, do you really want this?
SPEAKER_01:And it's okay not to want it.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:You don't actually need a goal all the time at all. No, but sometimes chilling out and just doing life and and focusing on what you would enjoy and fills your cup up is enough. And that is a goal within itself, is just living and being hap somewhat happy.
SPEAKER_02:I think that's the thing, isn't it? I think sometimes, like if you are not happy for whatever reason in your life, setting yourself goals to do, to be different, all of these things, are they just distracting you? Are they just a thing to maybe distract you and you'll be like, Well, I'll be happier if I do this?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, which I think is a lot of the self-help world is change who you are, be better. And sometimes we can do things better, but yeah, I don't know, it's tricky on that one. That's for our listeners to answer about themselves, I guess.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, are you self-sabotaging? Do you really want this?
SPEAKER_01:And do you hate yourself?
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, it is weird, it is weird, and I do think I am definitely happier in myself now, not because I've lost weight, but because of the things I can do now and how my life is different, and I do things that I never thought would make me happy. I don't know. It is I like feeling happier just inside. I don't know where I'm going with this. It does make I guess if you're not thinking negative thoughts about yourself and feeling down about things, maybe there's more space to think about doing other things.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, potentially. I've got a question for you then. You have said in previous episodes that you have yo-yo dieted in the past.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And I'm assuming you had self-sabotaging behaviours in previous weight loss attempts. So, what was the difference between all those times and self-sabotage, and why haven't you self-sabotaged this time?
SPEAKER_02:Um, so I think to begin with, it's because I went to Slim in World with a friend and we went every week and we stayed, and it was sort of being accountable to each other, yeah, as well as being weighed. So I started in August 2022, and I think she left in February 23. In that time, I knew that even if I'd had a bad week and I'd, you know, gained weight, in the past I wouldn't have gone because I'd have felt shame. But I knew that going with her, I had to go.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So there was some level of accountability. And I think I think I just stopped looking at it as a goal. Like, there's been months where I haven't lost any weight. Like, there was 10 months I didn't lose a pound. Like, I went up two pounds, down two pounds, and I just stopped beating myself up about it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's interesting not looking at it as a goal because goals by nature are future oriented, they they should almost always feel out of reach. Because if they were in reach, it wouldn't be a goal, right? Like you've just so maybe it sounds like you were being, you know, you were I always used to think about the future, yeah, and that's a cat could be trapping.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'd be like, when I get to this weight, I'll be happy, I can wear these clothes, I'll do this, my relationships will be better, like blah blah blah. And then I think I just really started living day-to-day.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think that's a really interesting, I think that's a really useful mindset to have. And like when I've been working with clients, some of the people who have had the best success in their own personal goal, whatever that was, they just like almost embodied what they wanted to be. So instead of thinking, I'm gonna go to the gym for six months and be really strong, they were like, I'm going to the gym now, I am strong now, this is my lifestyle, and they stop looking into the future and waiting.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I think that's why with the gym, I don't really have any like, I'm not like, oh, I want to be able to deadlift 150 kilos or squat this or do that. I just go to the gym. I mean, I am a bit like I would like to be able to run 5k in 33 minutes, but I don't do the work for that, so I'm self-sabotaging.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but uh you are self-sabotaging. Maybe maybe you need to look into your patterns of behaviours.
SPEAKER_02:Don't think I really like running that much, to be honest.
SPEAKER_01:And that's fine. So that's like a goal that's not super important to you, which goes back. It's not, it's not super important.
SPEAKER_02:It's not. I I'm a hybrid athlete. I just like doing a bit of everything, and the one thing that has made me really motivated recently is like with this flat out event, I really like that there's short bursts of things. I just don't think I have the focus for anything that takes me more than like 10-15 minutes. I get bored very quickly. Yeah. Really bored. So going on the rower is like five, six minutes. And I'm like, I can get through that, and actually, I can go quite quick in that time.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:You know, doing two and a half K on the bike. And I I think that I'm gonna start doing the different, I'm not gonna do the lunges and the burpees, don't worry. But the like goblet squats and the overhead press thing and farmers carry. I'm gonna start incorporating incorporating those into what I'm doing because they're all short.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And that's a really that's no, but that's an interesting point. It's like design. I think people have a goal and then they see like a set blueprint that they've seen other people follow. And the thing is that blueprint or that way of doing it isn't personalized. So no wonder you keep if you're not enjoying it, you will keep self-sabotaging. But there's nothing, no one to say you can't do it exactly how you want to do it, and what brings you joy and what motivates you to do it again.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and I mean, I guess I've answered my own question there, haven't I? As in like, do people really even want to achieve that goal to put in the work to do it? Do they self-sabotage because they don't want it? And maybe that that is me with running. Like, I don't mind running a 5K, it's not my favourite, I'd rather do 3K. But I could actually get better at running 5Ks by doing lots of two and a half and 5K's. Yeah, two and a half and three Ks.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it may not be the prescribed way to do it or the fastest way to get faster, but it's gonna be the best way for you because you're not gonna self-sabotage and you're gonna stay consistent at it. So that's the answer. Instead of just doing stuff because that's what you've been told you should do, if it's really not working for you, design a way that fits completely with you and your personality. Granted, there's gonna be times where you CBA, but it'll be less than if you just do a random way.
SPEAKER_02:Are you my therapist? Because it feels like it right now. Yeah. We are we are ever everyone's fashion. It's such a good point because when I did get a little bit faster, like around June time, I was going to the gym quite a lot and running on the treadmill, but I was doing two and a half and three K. Yeah. But I was maybe running five times a week.
SPEAKER_01:And I and I again I'll go back to the over-complicating and like health and fitness. People, there's all these people saying, This is the best way, this is the best way, this is the best way. So people like, right? I've got to go to the gym three times a week, I've got to run three times a week, I've got to eat 1800 calories and 1500 grams of protein, and then they're like, they get stuck and they give up and they self-sabotage, and they feel like they're the problem, the failure. Why can't I just do it? That just doesn't fit for your personality, and that is okay. Yeah, take the principles and then mold them to you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that is such a good point. Oh my god, this has been like a revelation.
SPEAKER_01:I think we should end it there.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know if I have anything else to say. I feel like we have solved the issue of self-sabotage. For me, anyway.
SPEAKER_01:A live therapy session with uh Rhee and Amber. Amber and Rhee. Amber and Ray.
SPEAKER_02:What do you think of your self-sabotaging behaviors?
SPEAKER_01:Um I stopped trying a long time ago, so I don't have anything to self-sabotage. No, I think my big my biggest one is with like work, and I'll want to be like, so recently I've wanted to like grow my my client list and be really busy and be fully booked, and I got to that point, and then I kind of didn't know I felt uncomfortable with that level of like like success because I'd hit my goal. So then I panicked and I like changed stuff and like reduced it, and I feel like I'm I self-sabotage a lot with like leveling up my business, and I don't know why. I think it's like maybe the fear of have I got time to do the extra work? Am I good enough? So, like imposter syndrome, am I even good enough to reach this next level? Yeah, and then I'll freak out, I'll withdraw, and I'll kind of go back to my safety zone of what I'm good at and what I'm used to. So that's probably where my self-sabotage is like I think imposter syndrome is really big for me.
SPEAKER_02:Do you think you have that in any like health and fitness things?
SPEAKER_01:Um I do think in a way I don't maybe apply or haven't up until this point applied myself to like the gym as well as I could be. Fear like I'd lose my identity or and I wouldn't be relatable to people, and maybe I'm just not good enough. Maybe I actually am not that good at being fit and healthy, and I can't do the gym and can't get really strong and can't follow a program. So there's fear of like if I don't try that hard, then I can no one's ever gonna say that because I haven't failed.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:What do you think?
SPEAKER_02:Well, maybe it's interesting that you have said like lose yourself though.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I don't know. I think I've I think for so long I've tried to be this coach or this person in the fitness industry. It's like really down to earth and relatable, and it's like, nah, don't don't try too hard. Because I want people to feel comfortable working with me and it to be accessible to them.
SPEAKER_02:But people have different levels of what they are capable of. And so the who first comes to you would be, you know, their goals would be smaller, but you as a personal trainer have so much more knowledge and experience that of course your goals are gonna be bigger.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I think I've come to terms that recently, and that's why I'm like, actually, no, I'm gonna give it a really good fucking go and prove to myself, I don't really care about proving to other people because no one really gives a shit, but prove to them. They don't, do they? No, they don't that I can do that and still be normal and you know, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:You're not going to the gym and working out for five hours a day or doing like a half marathon every morning. Like you are, you still have a very you will get stronger, faster, fitter, all of those things. Uh the the winter arc.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we are gonna bust our hands off, aren't we?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, we're gonna be bald soon. Um but like you are doing it in a way that is actually normal and achievable, and that doesn't take up loads of time. We're actually fine. We are fine. Oh we're worried about yeah, cool, right. Well, like, subscribe, share, review, review, follow us on Instagram at the HellFands Pod. Message us, tag us, someone tagged us today in um it was to do with our thing about the supermarkets, wasn't it? And it was a waitroze advert with Chesney Hawke singing, I am the one and only. Yeah, that was a joy, actually. And Chesney Hawks liked that comment. No way, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So I mean, he sort of knows who we are. That's pretty cool. And I got my cameo from Katie Price. Oh god, are we celebrities? Are we celebrities? Um, I also want to know where are you listening to us when you are out and about, got your headphones in, take a picture, tag the Hell Funds. We want to see where you are when you're listening to us. Yes, we do. And we'll give you a shout out on the pod if you can send next week. Yes, we will. And we have a guest on, hopefully, next week, don't we? Yep.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, I've got her availability, so I've got a shared Google Calendar with her, so I know what she's doing.
SPEAKER_01:All right. Well, we will see you next week. Bye. Bye.