The Elvolve Podcast with Elly Miles
The ELVOLVE Podcast is a space for real, interesting, and insightful conversations - the kind that feel like you’re having a chat with a friend, or a big sister who’s been there, lived it, and is willing to tell the truth.
Hosted by Elly Miles, this podcast explores what it actually takes to regulate your nervous system, rewire unconscious patterns, and come home to yourself. The conversations centre around healing, self worth, relationships, identity, spirituality, and the real life experiences that shape who we become.
At the heart of The ELVOLVE Podcast is Elly’s desire to inspire people to go after a life they’re genuinely excited to wake up to. That often means being willing to face yourself honestly, sit with discomfort, and do the inner work that leads to real change.
Elly is a trauma informed Life Coach and she shares openly from her own life, experiences, and lessons learned to invite reflection, self responsibility, and the courage to look at your patterns so you can move beyond what’s been holding you back.
Expect solo episodes and intimate guest conversations that feel relatable, honest, and grounded - with plenty of laughs along the way. Because life gets to be fun, and joy is just as important as the deep stuff.
If you’ve ever felt stuck, disconnected, or quietly aware that there’s more available to you, this podcast is for you.
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The Elvolve Podcast with Elly Miles
EP 18: Lessons on Fear, Healing & Choosing Yourself with Martin Strandberg
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Martin is a breathwork instructor, coach, and one of those people who's genuinely lived it. Grew up in a village of 150 people in the Norwegian woods, dropped out of school at 17, ended up in Africa after a weekend trip to Sweden, and somewhere in between discovered that the breath is the most powerful tool we have access to - and it costs absolutely nothing.
But before any of that, Martin hit rock bottom. A heartbreak that almost ended his life. A year of isolation, barely eating, and getting more and more suicidal - until one intense breathwork session alone in his room changed everything. He describes going from the depths of depression to feeling like himself times ten. That was the moment that set everything in motion.
In this episode we get into his journey from that rock bottom to coaching thousands of people, what breathwork actually does to your nervous system and why it's not one-size-fits-all, the law of attraction and how life is constantly giving us feedback, nature as a genuine healer, why talking to yourself like your best friend might be the most underrated mental health tool out there, and what it actually takes to let go of the life - and the people - that no longer fit who you're becoming.
Find Martin here on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/breathewithmartin?igsh=bDYwbHk4bGpzcXdh
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Lvolve podcast where we have interesting and insightful conversations. I'm really excited to be joined by Martin today. Martin is a really cool person that I actually met on a flight home, and we ended up having a really great chat. And we're like, you know what? Let's get on a podcast and let's talk about some things because Mun's also a breathwork instructor, and breathwork has definitely been one of the most transformational practices that I have in my toolkit. And so we've got a really cool person here to chat with today, guys. Welcome.
SPEAKER_03Thank you so much for having me. That's awesome. That plane ride was uh interesting. That was fun. I was like, that's you, that's me. And uh yeah, of course we have this thing in common, yeah, which is awesome. Yeah, yeah, and it's been a big part of my life too, the breathing practice.
SPEAKER_04So I'm curious, like, where when did you find breath work? What kind of place were you at in your life when you found breath work?
SPEAKER_03That's a good question. Because I did like um a practice with this lady, she was teaching a method called the effigy breathing, so it's just like straight up hyperventilating for an hour. Great, so intense and had no idea what it was.
SPEAKER_05You're like, I like this.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I'm like, what the fuck? I breathe every day. Like, I can join a breathing class. She told me you have to come. And the last day before she was moving, I was like, okay, I'll come for a for the class. And then I kind of lay there for the first 10 minutes and I was like, What the fuck am I doing? You know, it was like this music, people like screaming suddenly, and I'm like, it's intimidating. And then I started to feel the change myself because I kind of went for it, and it was really, really intense, like super psychedelic, like crazy. I was surfing like a 30-meter wave in my head, the colors, and I came back like just sweating. I was like, What the fuck is that? That's so crazy. But I didn't really understand like the practice and like the um like the depth of it. So it's more like a kick. I did it like 10-15 times with her, and it was awesome, it was cool. Every time it's different, sometimes dark, sometimes really like light. And um I didn't practice until later because I had a really hard heartbreak that almost ended my life, or I ended my own life, which was amazing. It's the best thing that ever happened to me. Um, but it was after those classes, years later, in 2018, 2019, I um decided to change what was already really dark, and then I did one session on my own, like so crazy, like a Wim Hof practice, and there was some cold water involved, and I just like cried tears of joy from being like really, really depressed to like so enlightened, quote unquote. Like I felt like me times 10 again. So I understood like the breath is what changed the chemistry, and obviously doing a hyperventilating practice like I did my first time is not for everyone, which I thought. So for my years as a coach in the beginning, I was like so intense, and then like I learned a lot more about the parasympathetic nervous system later on. Yeah, so now I kind of combine like strength training, sauna, ice baths, you know, mental stuff, and then breathing is a big part of the coaching too.
SPEAKER_04Wow, a big part of what I love to talk to people, like the kind of conversations that I love to explore on this podcast is like the tough times and like what we learned through that. So you mentioned heartbreak. Yeah, yeah, and you just said like that was you know something that you're really, really grateful for now. Do you mind telling us a little bit a little bit about that experience?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, for sure. Um, so I had uh what I thought back then was the love of my life, and um we had a great time for the first like the first year was really awesome. I was working in this sales job, like trying to make a lot of money, making it work, and then that was like the gym and then the training or the work was like the focus with her. And then I I don't know what happened. There was like a part in me that's starting to get like more control of what she was doing, you know, started making up scenarios, thinking she was cheating, doing all this stuff, and it's like she wasn't. It was just me being like I lost my purpose a little bit in life, so like work wasn't that important anymore. Like, she became the more important person, more important than me.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03And um, I became like really jealous and all that kind of weirdness around it, so I eventually we broke up because obviously nobody can be in a relationship like that. So, and then it got really tough because I just realized I just pushed away the one thing I really, really loved. And they went like for almost a year where I just like isolated myself, you know, had some online work I could do and really didn't see my friends, not my family, and stopped eating. Wow, was really ill. Like I started vomiting in the morning just as soon as I woke up because she wasn't there, and then it's like I weighed like 50 kilos, a little bit more than 100 pounds, which is not really healthy for anyone. But then like I had to change, yeah. Right? So it's like either because everyone can become the victim, and I was the biggest victim for this year, you know. I didn't want to have any sympathy or anything, so I was just getting more and suits, like more and more suicidal. And then until the choice or the decision I had to make, either like do it or not do it. So I did some crazy breathing on my own for like 45 minutes, and it was really intense because it was just like layers and layers, and then um I felt like realigned. So I start traveling like through Norway, through doctors, colleagues, friends, families. Like, guys, you have to do breath work. I just did like a hundred classes, classes, like where I just traveled and did the method that saved my life, and then yeah, again, I didn't explain to the people what the depth of breath work is or breathing techniques. So they had a good time when I like introduced them, but they didn't do the work subconsciously, I think, that you kind of need to do sometimes with those heavy practices.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So in hindsight, now coach, like thousands and thousands of people received like hundreds of messages where people like yo, I'm feeling great because of this one class or this work we're doing, and uh without the depression, and like that was my that was my sacrifice almost. You know, for me to feel that bad to now be able to help other people through similar stuff, you know. So it's like if you told me back then this is the best thing that ever is ever gonna happen to you, I couldn't never comprehend that and take that in. Like absolutely impossible. So I can see when people are like the victim and it's all them, and it's all like I understand that, but in the end, as we spoke of before the conversation, like it's always you who has to make that choice. No matter how much anyone told me, like, oh go to the gym and train, you're gonna feel better. It's like I don't really care about living, you know, like fuck the gym. Yeah, so it's like it's so deep. But you know, you're never alone, you know. There's always there's always help, and it's um a really interesting thing. My my mentor told me years ago, and after this, it was like there's done interviews with people who tried to or did jump the the Golden Gate Bridge and the survivors of them, and they like interviewed all these people, and there was like one percent that actually didn't regret after jumping. So once you've done that choice, which is the darkest thing you can almost do to anyone else and yourself, most people regret you know, after, but sometimes it's too late. Yeah, so at least I was really happy to live again. Yeah, so now wow, that's amazing, right? It's really cool. It's amazing. I'm so grateful.
SPEAKER_04It's like a second chance of life.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04What did I do for you?
SPEAKER_03Well, now when I like when those like crazy thoughts come, because we're still crazy people, when times are tough, you kind of just laugh at it. Like, how can I even go into that direction? Because you're so grateful for everything, you know, the all the ups and the downs, and that's life is going to be up and down, and that's what I kind of teach too is like how can people feel comfortable in being uncomfortable? Yeah, like an ice bath or a heavy sauna or a long breath hold. But you don't want to push people like who's super fragile and anxious and like to do intense stuff either. So it all depends on them on the person on the person.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, totally. What did you learn about yourself through that relationship? Like enhance that when you reflect back, like what were you what were you being shown?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, not about yourself. Cool question. And I have I guess I've thought about it before, but it was I'm very competitive as a like an athlete or a person, and then I learned how to control that eventually. So, like when I lose stuff that is not important anymore, I don't get upset like I used to. Did you get yeah, I just so competitive hockey player, like losing breaking my sticks?
SPEAKER_05I could see it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so it pushed me to be a good surfer, whatever good is, but like I surfed a lot because I'm so stubborn, right? So, but you can rather do an ice bath or surfing practices with love, you know, like enjoy this, not sit there and like force and go, I got this, because you will get hurt or sick if you do that.
SPEAKER_04So is that like a cultural thing from where you're from, a man a little bit like that?
SPEAKER_03Well, we're cold people from Norway, we're gonna be cold-hearted for sure. Yeah, uh like the stubbornness? No, I guess I guess it's a rough environment for sure. It's it gets intense, you know. So people are a little bit intense. I think it comes also from family, you know. My roots are Finnish too, and it's even more stubborn people.
SPEAKER_05So interesting. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, what you learned about me was so the competitive part. My ex-girlfriend's mom, she said that I can never change this. You'll always be that jealous person. And that just to me was like, you know what? I'm gonna do so much work now that I'm not gonna be.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, a little bit of a challenge. I kept so in our exact three to you now. Cool.
SPEAKER_03So 100%. That was like always in the back of my head. So I did a lot of work, like hours and hours and hours of practices and reading and you know, sharpening my my craft and um just learning more about everything. And now I'm almost in a position where it's like if my girlfriend is cheating on me, it's mostly not always, but it could be a lot of it's my fault for not stimulating physically, mentally, spiritually. Some girls are crazy, like guys do. Some guys are crazy, and you can't control you know what they would do. But then again, now it's like I don't really care because if it's the right one, it's not gonna happen. And you treat it nice through the whole way. So people don't really want to, they don't have any need to do it. So coming back to it's like whatever happens, I can always like either learn from or you can like kind of not control it. It's not what I'm trying to say, but I'm not jealous anymore, at least. It feels good, you know. Like, obviously, you don't want to see your partner do stuff in other people, but if it's like that's gonna happen like that, it's like okay, kind of move on from it and then learn. Yeah, because the right one will come.
SPEAKER_04I love to practice this thing in life where it I I really believe in the law of attraction and that we attract what we're an energetic match for, and we're like getting feedback through what we experience in our lives, what we find in front of us. And so I really look at that like in terms of like the people that I meet, the relationships I find myself in, the clients I attract, like everything. Yeah, I'm like, what's this showing me about me? How did I attract this? Right? And like where is the opportunity for growth in that?
SPEAKER_01Exactly.
SPEAKER_04Because it's kind of that's it's kind of like we're always getting feedback, right? Yeah, from God, from the universe. It's like, and I believe that feedback is trying to nudge us like into alignment.
SPEAKER_03100%, and there's science along the way, and you're like the really interesting part here is like the gut feeling is always right. You know, like the first intent, like you feel like there's something off with a person, or like later on, you're like, Oh, I felt that, but I didn't like there was no actual science, but my gut feeling was saying this. There's a great um, there's a great podcaster, um, or this guy who's been working for the FBI. It's really amazing for women to like check out people, like the few questions you can ask to like throw off people who's like narcissistic or psychopaths. His name is Chase Hughes, he's been working for the FBI and CIA. Like a body language expert, you know, to deal with like heavy, you know, situation which keeping people hummus or hostage. And so he's he's really really interesting, and he does a lot for like now teaching women to look up for those crazy people that there is out there, you know. That's okay. So, like one thing he just teaches is because like what a lot of people who is that crazy, what they're doing is like they're rehearsing everything before they meet the person.
SPEAKER_01Ah, of course.
SPEAKER_03So they always rehearse it in the right order. So what you could do and what he teaches tells you is like just ask them what they did the last. What was the last thing you did before you came here? And that's like throws them off because they can't okay, I practice this before getting there. So just like very simple questions you can do in a like on a first date, for instance. You know, like if you feel like there's something off, it says like there's 99.99999%. There is something, so it always trusts that gut feeling to the thing you say, like you're reflecting, like there's a mirror of like something you can learn and you can have growth from. I think that's really amazing at how you look at life because the tough times is like, what can I learn from this? Yeah, like how can I not do that again, or how can I like get something out of that situation, like running a business and then you go bankrupt. Like, how can I do that maybe again?
SPEAKER_05How can I not do that again?
SPEAKER_03Exactly. So it's like, oh, it sucks. Now I gotta go back to corporate world and job. It's like you don't have to, you can just now do it from another experience.
SPEAKER_04Maybe maybe that's happening for you. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03Most of it, everything is, yeah, right? So it's like just stopping that victim of like me and then do something about it. But it's easy to say and it's hard to execute when you're in that situation.
SPEAKER_04Totally, like we've both been there, right? In that situation where it's like the world as you saw it is fucking crumbling, and you're like, no, and you're just like digging your claws and you're like, I'm not fucking letting go, this is what I want. And it's like we don't always get what we want, we get what we need. Exactly. And there's like an there's an element of surrender and trust that we have to just anchor into like within all of that, because otherwise it's just gonna create more suffering for you. Like when you resist the changes that are naturally unfolding in your life, like you get to choose how to navigate that situation. You can either do it resisting it, which will cause more suffering, or you can just be like, fuck it, like this is what I'm being hand like handed. Like this is clearly meant to happen. Yeah, everything happens for me. I'm always in the right place at the right time. Yeah, I'm right where I'm meant to be, even if it's fucked.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Right now, yeah. It's like there's medicine in in all of those experiences, and you will like things will get better.
SPEAKER_03It will. Everything's temporary, and it's also like when it's good, it's not gonna always be good.
SPEAKER_04Exactly.
SPEAKER_03Right? So that's like the little tricky one because when life is nice and easy, like try not to get too excited. I'm like not saying you shouldn't be excited about life, but like don't be excited by life. Don't be that like it's gonna go back.
SPEAKER_05Let's make that the title of the podcast with Martin.
SPEAKER_03Don't be excited by life, just live a boring, normal, yeah, life for sure. No, no, it's like when there's like because I'm like very often injured, right? I am very extreme person in my like if I do sports or drive motocross or playing hockey. It's like I'm very often injured because it's just part of the the things we're doing. So when I'm not injured and there's nothing thing, my body feels great, I'm like just a little low-key waiting.
SPEAKER_01Like, oh no, you can't do that!
SPEAKER_03And it's kind of like I surf, everything's fine, it's big waves. And I drive my friend's scooter like 10 days ago, and I cruise, I fold his little moped, we're going like 10 kilometers, and this guy just like blinks, doesn't blink. He just drives right in the road, hits my knee, crashes almost a scooter into another bike. I managed somehow to like stare back up. I jump off, and I'm kind of like really angry in my head because he didn't blink. And I'm like, shit, it's not my scooter, the scooter's broken, my knees fucked, there's big surf coming. And I just sat there and like I was so calm. He tried to get mad at me, and he's apparently a little crazy person, too. Oh, and he was like kind of getting yeah, definitely. There's two crazy people. There's two crazy people in this situation.
SPEAKER_01No, one stay calm, what's about to be called.
SPEAKER_03Right, and I was like so mad, and then somehow the situation got really like calmed down, and he picked up the scooter, he went to pay for the parts, she fixed everything. He called me later. I was like, bro, thank you for a really good reminder, and thank you for being so cool about it. Wow, now I'm like in my head the first minute, I was so angry, but then I'm like, you know what? It all happens for a reason. So I just sat down, my knee kind of hurts. Like, are you okay? But I'm like, Well, it hurts a little bit, you know. Like I'm limping, and there's literally big surf coming the next day, and I had to stay out for one week, no surfing. And now I got, you know, it's okay, I can surf, but I gotta go a little slower.
SPEAKER_04What did you what did you get to do in the in instead?
SPEAKER_03I worked. I worked a bunch, sat on the computer, did a lot of things I've been pushing away because you go. There you go.
SPEAKER_05You created that!
SPEAKER_03Exactly. We create everything.
SPEAKER_05It's like, for what purpose did I create this injury? It's like, because you have some fucking work to do, and you don't do it, and now I'm gonna, you know what?
SPEAKER_03Okay, you surf five, six hours, but when you work, you're like, okay, there's gonna be a little track here, and it's gonna make you not surf now. So it's like just grateful through the whole thing.
SPEAKER_04Go to the gym, train upper body because I'm not surfing, and it's like that feedback man, like what choices could you make in the future so that you stop creating these injuries to make you walk.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I think there's like surf less is one thing. Like you do less things and you get like your stimulants from other hard shit you're doing too. Because I think people with a lot of energy were like, you know, I have a lot of drive, I have a lot of you know, dreams and goals and things I'm like pushing for, and obviously I'm way more chill now than I used to be. Um so I think just like when my shoulder injury came because of surfing so much and I work so much and I sleep only six hours, and it's just like constant all day. Eventually, my body's like, hey, no matter how much breath work or ice baths you're doing, which I do every day, it's like you're surfing way too much. So it's like more quality waves. Exactly. There's no time. So just more quality waves, surfing a little bit less, working a little more, taking a little bit more me time, and then there's fewer sleep as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's interesting, right? Like, life is giving you feedback. It's like if this thing is your goal, and whatever that looks like, it's like, okay, am I actually contributing enough energy to be able to achieve that goal? And so there's like a little bit of a you know, we need to reflect in in those moments and be like, I like when I first started my coaching business, I was like, I want my coaching business to do really well. And I was reflecting, I was like, it gets like none of my time, like because I'm doing this, you know, um personal training job, and that takes up this amount of time on the weekends, I'm partying and doing fucking drugs and drinking alcohol, like that, like my energy distribution was totally off, and it was not um congruent with being successful in my goals, exactly. And like with that awareness, it's like, oh, what are you gonna do with that? Yeah, you know, with that feedback that you're receiving, change some things up, and that's when I became sober and I ended up moving out of that town, so I wasn't like in the same crowd anymore.
SPEAKER_03And that's a big one, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_03That's the biggest one almost, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, when you redistribute where your energy is going and you're making sure that it's actually congruent with your goals and also supporting yourself and your well-being, and like nourishing yourself on a mind, body, spirit level. Oh my fucking god, like you're gonna get where you need to be and where you want to be.
SPEAKER_03The growth is coming. Yeah, there's uh there's like you you want all this stuff, but like how you're gonna achieve that, you know, like when you spend there's no way you're not winning any lottery because that's not really how life is set up, and then you want to achieve a super successful thing, but how, you know? So it's like suddenly that I think that's also what I teach my clients, and because people that wants to give up something, right? There has to be like um I think there has to be a replacement. Like if you for me, because I partied a lot too when I was younger, and I don't think it's a bad thing partying, but just don't do it every weekend, you know, like you go have fun for a full moon and whatever. Like, I'm not telling my people or my clients' friends to be like a monk sober lifestyle. I don't think that's for everyone, but you gotta have way more of the good stuff, yeah, right? And then when you do more of that good stuff, you want to do less of the other stuff because you just put in the whole day working and training, to taking care of your body. It's like, am I gonna go drink this whole night and then kind of waste that heavy workout, waste that nice sauna session? Yeah, waste. It's like you want to do less, you kind of want to wake so it's nice that rhythm. So for me, it was the surfing part, you know, because I came here wanting to learn to surf like years ago, and then suddenly like staying up late, I couldn't get the good waves in the morning.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, right?
SPEAKER_03So then I became an early morning person. I wake up like four now every day almost. And it's like my routine, four to five, and it's like for some people that sounds insane, but when you go to bed like nine, yeah, it's fine.
SPEAKER_04You would love the Gold Coast.
SPEAKER_03Oh, it's the best. I actually have you been there? Yeah, I had a van with my ex-girlfriend there, also back in the back in the day.
SPEAKER_04Because that's what like everyone's up like as soon as the sun comes up, and the sun comes up very early there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so it's like if you're not up getting, you know, early bird getting the worms, then you feel a bit shit.
SPEAKER_04I love what you were saying before, and also it's like I think there's just an internal check-in that comes with that. It's like, wait, does this feel good for me anymore? Because I think naturally, as as we start to get older and our priorities naturally shift, like past behaviors and habits. may just no longer feel good for you. And that can be like a little bit confronting to face because it may be all you've known until a certain point. And maybe it was a source of connection and belonging with certain people in your life. And so I mean I've been through that. Like and I I think at the end of the day you just got to do what feels right for you and and trust that.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. And then you can like pretend what's you know in the you feel the gut feeling again and like you kind of avoid the red flag and you like keep doing it and in the end it gets back to you and it's like I should have trusted you know my um because you you I think most not every I I don't know for everyone but I think most people know what's right and wrong. You know like I for themselves?
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Right? Oh this is not really benefiting me but I'm still gonna do it. And I think like I don't think we can live a perfect life and be sitting there like what's the best thing for me right now to do. And my friend told that like a couple of years ago and he was like when he sat down had nothing to do I was like what's the absolute best thing I can do for my business and myself now. And it's not sitting there obviously right so it's like all right it's this and then you do that. So it's like you you want to do that too but I think like a big like goal in my life and this time I have here is to be a nice person and help others. Not everyone because not everyone wants help and I don't want to waste my energy helping people who don't want help and have fun. Right? So be a nice person and have fun. And those two is like as long as you're doing them both I think we're gonna have like a better leave the the world a little better place. Not that's always the goal but like it's a nice thing to do if everyone did it and um have fun right yeah enjoy your life. Exactly like surfing you go climbing you go on a little road trip you have like you being spontaneous and a little impulsive and then have control over your money have control over your economy then like you just like there's always like things that needs to have in things that needs to be done for you to have that good life. Like everyone has to work most people at least have to work you don't have to work where you don't like to work.
SPEAKER_04I like that right so it's like did you like that everyone listen to that yeah you don't have to work where you don't like to work.
SPEAKER_03No it's you can quit any day but like if you have a big mortgage to pay now and a couple kids to feed obviously it looks easy from my side sitting here just uh cruising but no I think you can um but you said it too it's like leaving your hometown because I come from a village like it's like couple maybe hundred 150 people in it like tiny no in the woods right there's nobody there's a village he said village no joke there's like there's no there's no supermarket there's like six kilometers to buy milk like to go to school was like eventually like you know 20 kilometers then I moved even further into the woods with a couple of friends and that was where I watched the movie surfs up and then you're like yeah I want to get barreled and I booked them on my ticket to Costa Rica. No joke seriously that was the whole destination was getting like a little tube and then so you uh so you lived with your family in the village well I didn't move out did you grow up in the village when did you get to the village? Well I was born there you were born in the village deep bush is not joking in the hospital but uh no I grew up there right with my great grandma and my granddad so I was like and they're like you know my granddaughter lumberjack building like huts and really hardcore stuff. Wow drinking moonshine you know we made our own moonshine it's like definitely not legal and old enough but um yeah I moved away from like my family house when I was 16. Yeah and then I tried to go to school for like a few years which I couldn't really I didn't really like anything of it except being social with friends and girls and all that part so I just dropped out when I was 17 and moved like like 100 kilometers away from my home and I tried school there and I was like this not for me and then I just quit going to school start working for a few years uh went to Amsterdam my friend and I did mushrooms and we just decided not to go back to Norway and we just kind of start traveling. Then I called my mom like a month later because I told her I was going to Sweden for like a weekend and then I was in Africa and I'm like yo I'm in Africa she's like what I'm like yeah I just left you know she's like what the fuck that was it now poor mom she had a hard time did she have other kids yeah my sister she also lives away around you know yeah but you know my mom's a good person she did really well you know like everyone else they had their traumas and their way of so you know so it's like not everything is done right but it was always a good intention behind it you know it was always like with love. Of course so it's like but then you you grow up and it's like there's all this shit that you've accumulated and things like as you said the decisions we're like kind of holding on to because that feels like the only thing we know and then eventually when you move away from your hometown and you like you kind of live on your own meeting different more similar people it's like you kind of find yourself in a way you know kind of let go of that past and let go of that person that everyone expects you to be back home and then when you come home it's like oh you used to do this I'm like okay I used to but I'm not anymore. You know like what's this conversation gonna go now so it's like you really feel when you connect with people who's like on a similar level of like you know growth or experience and mindset. Mindset and then it's okay for people who's not that thing took me a long time to understand too is like not trying to convince anyone.
SPEAKER_04Yes. You know because it's just like it's not it's not helping me everyone's on their own journey right exactly and that can like I I've totally been there like when I first kind of I guess had a bit of an awakening and I was like oh my god everyone needs to do this everyone needs to know this oh my gosh like feeling so inspired and and passionate about um everything that I've been learning and it it can be easy to kind of get caught in this little trap of like oh judging other people that aren't there yet. Exactly and it's like that only that's only you that's you being judgmental. 100% it's like everyone's on their own journey like if they're meant to get there in this lifetime they will and and like just trust that and and let them have their own journey because why would you put that on yourself?
SPEAKER_03And that's always what it happens is like it's they don't feel that you're feeling this like negativity around it and they don't even know yeah they're happy they are you know some more yeah exactly so it's like happy being ignorant it's good it's like guys let's just continue sometimes I wish I could go back and be ignorant forget everything easy sometimes but then you realize no please not it can't you know so once you've experienced this life you never you can never go back yeah you know yeah so no it's um it's all bonds with that one yeah it's all part of the process right so when a car crashed into you can smile that was like I didn't told when you know you've made it right I'm like I even told my client awakened yeah I told my client later I'm like I'm actually low key proud of that situation because I had to go work and I'm like yeah have I reached Jesus consciousness because that was not me ten years ago I would have slapped the guy and good thing I didn't because it's obviously a guy you don't want to slap here so yeah yeah like everything when he called me my friend said too it's like dude this is a miracle this guy just like doing all that stuff you know because he had to go pick up uh he had to get another car pick up the scooter drive it to the mechanic that would have really changed something in him he did tell me like yo that was such a good reminder for me because we drove the car together when he he had to drive me go to work now I because I couldn't go work obviously didn't have my scooter and my knee was a little fucked that's amazing. So it's cool like I sat there later I was like that was a really well handled situation even though I was like upset obviously in my head it wasn't like that and I remember like also another like not similar but a little similar story was three years ago I was walking with my grandma and my auntie so when I'm in Norway I like to do like these little you know walking trips with them and um we're walking like on the left side of the road there's like 50 kilometers you know speed limit and there's a guy coming in a really nice like an Audi A8 like a nice expensive car and he almost hits my grandma on purpose because she's walking it a little bit in the road and it's like well she's 80 years old bro like we're walking there where we live and you come from your cabin whatever so when I see that happen like immediately if like I had a rock in my hand like I would have thrown the rock at the car because he almost killed my grandma right and my grandma gets all scared my aunt I'm walking behind them and um my aunt is like they're both getting really really mad and I think within like a minute or two minutes I just like start to think about that person like how his morning was like maybe his wife just left him maybe his kid like you know there could have been so many things for that person not to want to live anymore and he was like you know this guy's just walking in the sun now he's like fucking just chilling and then he's like but he didn't do it it was just like a maneuver so obviously my first thought was like to protect my my grandma with the rock if I had because I was angry and then like you know what bro I hope you have a good day. I hope you find love for this you know like I'm sorry for you. What was interesting though because this is like a half hour walk this is in the beginning of the walk took me like a couple minutes to feel like okay good like I hope you have a good day. I hope if there wasn't the right thing to do not mad at you bro like it's okay. Yeah and they were still mad when they came back after the trip. You know they were still talking about it the next day and it was like this big thing and I just I could just see them like lingering on to this this negativity. Nothing happened. It could have but it didn't so it's like they're now creating all this negativity around them and the situation where I could find love for that person. Yes. And obviously that's better for me. Yes you know and than anything else so it's more like a selfish thing almost but it's like it does help because you just have more trust around the the thing and everyone has everyone allowed to have a bad day. If it's every day now it's a different thing you know but obviously it's a beautiful reminder.
SPEAKER_04It was because like finding compassion and love like for for whatever's happened helped you to move through that and to not have to sit in that and imagine like if you held on to that for the next 24 48 hours. How much stress and how much yeah what's that creating in your body inflammation cortisol like it just and obviously it doesn't feel good and it's like if you're the main character of your life right you get to decide what happens you get to choose how you respond to situations and ultimately that's gonna that's gonna create an emotional experience for you.
SPEAKER_03So like if you're in control of that for what purpose would you choose to be fucking angry about this this situation that almost happened but didn't happen like a near miss like why would you want to hang out in that for longer than you need to exactly and I think that's good because like I have um another like my last client told me they want to replace like anxiety stress and um all that negative stuff with like joy love happiness and I'm like well that's not gonna happen. You know we're gonna teach or we're gonna learn how to sit within the anger or sit within the stress. Because it's like you're a human and when somebody's gonna pass away you love you're gonna be sad. Yeah that's life. Yes you know or when somebody hits you with a it's okay to be angry. It's just like it's like how are you dealing with the situation that you're in the stress now? So that's what we're kind of working on now is like I kind of understand the body instead of like disappearing or escaping it with surf, with drugs with work with money with sex whatever it's like no you do kind of sit with it. And then when the hard times come or when the stress occurs and there's like it's not like you don't you're not gonna be stressed. It's just like you deal how to sit with the stress more I like that's important.
SPEAKER_04I like that you know there is a big movement that's kind of coming through now which I really love that people are learning that it's okay to feel it's okay to feel you know and I think what's the next thing is like it's okay to express yeah like you know like it's okay to let it out of you. Also yeah it's like a health healthy boundary it's like I don't want to go there and they ask you if you want to go out for dinner and you're like no that's okay to say if you don't want to and you have a big day tomorrow you want to go sleep early and it's like it's nothing personal but I'm just having this boundary now like hey I don't want to go out it's not you and I'm allowed to express myself saying that but people don't really do that because they feel obligated to sit in a room when they don't have to oh yeah I agree with what you're saying there around like yeah speaking your truth and it's like this I met someone yesterday um I met this amazing couple and we like got to know each other really well and we're chatting and stuff and through learning about her partner she was like yeah he's like he's learning now that it's like it's okay to feel his feelings and I was like cool and what I what I kind of observed in that I was like he's learning to feel it but he's not letting it out he's not expressing it. Like this guy's fucking angry.
SPEAKER_03He's angry but he's not letting the anger out you know and then one day it's gonna explode you just need to air out the balloon a little bit.
SPEAKER_04Yeah right and so I think that's super that's so important to let that energy out. Like when you look at when you picture what anger looks like like someone actually going there and like really letting that animal rage come out of them.
SPEAKER_03Imagine tucking that inside instead every day you know for small things like I cuts in traffic and he just suddenly like hates this person. Yeah it's builds up and builds up and then it leaks out yeah you know and that's when you gotta do like there's different things for different people right but then that's what it's like it's really important to train it's important to do like the the stimulation that you need to not have those like crazy outbursts. Like it's okay to be angry but then like you've just done a lot of work you went to the gym you lifted weights you ate good you slept good and it's like your body kind of like kind of deals with that anger and the stress a lot easier. If you're taking care of yourself if you're taking care of yourself like makes sense. If you sit inside I had a period where I start like I stream Twitch like hours like 18 hour day streams just working on the computer making money playing games which is crazy but anyways it was like you did not describe me as a gamer nobody does and as I'm having a Twitch streamer it's very ridiculous. But anyways like I sit there for so long right hours in hours out like days just like suddenly my body's feeling like crazy because I haven't stimulated it I haven't been training as much as I I I want to and I haven't been sleeping as much as I want to so getting obsessed with that and then when shit happens and when you do feel that stress it's just way out of control because it's like there's so much accumulated thing you like hold on to well with that it's like if someone was in a place in life where they were like I really want to like start feeling better and doing better in life what would like the first thing yeah the breathe that you recommend to them breathing. Because like what kind of breathing? Um it depends on the person you know there's true different techniques. There's I look at the breath like three ways to breathe but there's a thousand different techniques within them it's either over or under or a balanced breathing. So hyperventilating or your under breathing or you're breathing in um in a balanced like a box breathing practice. But what I can tell people like the first thing you can do right now listening to this you can sit down even if you're working you can start controlling the breathing pattern so you can change how you breathe like right now there's no excuses because I have a mortgage or I have kids or I can't because I don't like um yeah you can sit there now and you can breathe for two minutes. Change the breath right so what under breathing is doing like calmer breathing practice is activating the the rest and digest part of the brain it sends a signal to the reptilian part like hey you're safe you know your body doesn't really know the difference between a hyperventilating practice and an actual scared scenario because you're both times you're producing adrenaline and cortisol so that's the part of the whim of practice too is like increase the stress doing breath holds holding the stress under control. So you're increasing stress and then you're holding it so it's that's not for everyone who's already really fragile. Yeah. Right and they're already in a super state of fight and flight. You know you don't need to increase the fight and flight right now. For some people it does work but many times it's gonna just like trigger more of the trauma. Yeah. So it depends on their breathing practice. But you can sit now right now and you can do two minutes of doubling the length of your inhalation. So do five in ten out you can do one minute in two minutes out as a like a goal to practice on but start with five in ten out and you do that for a few minutes you're automatically you're going to feel more relaxed. It's just how the mechanism or how mechanical the body really is and you're the alchemist of your I like to kind of say the breath is like the remote control of the nervous system. It really is.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But it it's a hundred percent this it doesn't really like you if you believe or not believe it is it is it's how we feel so when people are you know when they're sitting in an office and they're making stress thoughts about the future or the past making money that's a really bad stress because there's not there's not an actual scenario it's just a mad main thing in your head and you're not getting anywhere. But doing a hard conversation or speaking in public or doing an ice bath or going to the gym or fasting for three days that's all stress too but it's a hermetic stress so it's a good stress for the body it's what we need to feel like and we're just what I teach is like very primal stuff you know basics because we're not doing the basics anymore. We're very comfortable with like delivery of food or it's just always an AC and it's warm you're not exposed to the cold anymore so it's like we're just learning how to feel a little uncomfortable in like primal stuff.
SPEAKER_04And that like translates really well and nicely um like in the sense like when you do have a stressful challenge in your life it's like oh fuck well I want to go like when I did when I did ayahuasca I'm like oh my god if I can do that I can do anything.
SPEAKER_03For sure it's it's intense it's like it it it teaches you it teaches you that you're a good yeah yeah in the challenges it's like I did a five minute ice bath I can do this or exactly you know I went on that long run like I can do this like mindset my mindset's yeah so it's it's a lot of work to feel good right it's not just like um simple recipe but it is a simple recipe it's just sometimes hard to follow because we're living in a very unnatural way of living and luckily we're we're here in nature because nature is the real healer you know like that's when it shows you the ice pads or you know food or whatever it is nature is there to teach us things.
SPEAKER_04Speaking of nature I remember when we were on the plane you told me that you were going back home to have some solo time like how was that?
SPEAKER_03Uh I did a lot of fishing and camping on my own but um there was a lot of things happening unfortunately my family member got really sick almost dying so I had to take care of um of him for six months almost wow yeah it was intense so I just it was good though I spent a lot of time like working on the house and doing some carpentry and like helping out and if I wasn't there he most likely would have been dead so there was always a good reason for me to to go back. But then when you're home you're like you're there and whatever I told the doctors I went to so many like meetings with the doctors and they always did the opposite and I talked to like professional experts in Norway about nitric oxide which is a molecule only produced through the through the nasal region. Yes it's the miracle molecule so when you inhale through the nose your body produces this one yeah that like alternate it's uh yeah the alternate nasal breathing practice but just generally breathing through the nose and the slower you breathe in through the nose the more you produce of that molecule so if your nose is blocked you're gonna produce a little more of that molecule so it's actually good for you to breathe slower through the nose. Oh okay so it's no excuses if you're having a blocked nose it's still good for you it's actually better which is annoying for people saying something about it.
SPEAKER_04Because anytime I have a blocked nose I'm like I wish I appreciated having clear nasal passageways so much more when I did now when I have it I'm gonna like perfect slow in.
SPEAKER_03Yeah slow out. So I told them because he like there's been a couple scenarios and uh what I tell them like yo so he should start focusing on the nasal breathing because that carries up to 20% more oxygen to the blood and they just shook their head and I'm like what the fuck and then they sent him on chemo and then he almost died from chemo and it's like all right and then it passes and then there's another meeting and I talk to this one doctor in my town she's been a doctor there for 40 years and I have to educate her about the nervous system. I have no education I never went to school like I never then you're sitting there and you have no clue what I'm talking about. And now you're getting mad because I'm sitting in a family setting saying your industry is all about money. I want to help people and they get super offensive. I'm like what do you want to argue? You can't even you don't even know what we're talking about. And you're a doctor and I'm not like this must make you feel so dumb. Oh there's a bit of an ego wound happening in that moment right and I'm like this is ridiculous. Yeah because it's like you're pushing one thing that's gonna make an industry a lot of money but I'm trying to push people to go make a healthier choice in the supermarket or just go in a nice path and they'll feel better you know yeah so it's a little frustrating my point was like being there for six seven months They like everything I said, my family wanted to not always, but they trust that the system. The system so like they're so into it.
SPEAKER_04It's a big, it's a deeply ingrained program in society.
SPEAKER_03Even when the shit happened, I told them it's gonna happen, they're still like next decision, they'll listen to them. So it's like, you know what? I'm here, I do my best, but I can't really evolve, you know. I can't I'm not with like-minded people anymore. I'm there, so it's like I just took a decision of like it was he's fine now, luckily. You know, it's a little bit of changes, obviously. But uh I talked to him a couple days ago. We talked, spoke for 10 minutes, he's smiling, he's like, Yeah, I'm good. So I just gotta focus on me being here and just doing my thing. You know, I love to surf, I love waking up early, I like to hang out with cool people and do podcasts and yeah, stuff. It's hard in my little village with a hundred people. What's a podcast? No joke. It's like, yeah, bro. It's nice weather today, man.
SPEAKER_04That is so crazy, like, such a culture shock as well. Like, it's really interesting, like inserting yourself back into like an environment that like you grew up in and not much has changed there when you've changed completely. So much, it's really kind of discombobulating, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's trip because you have all this like information you want to give and share, and it's like it's just the same TV show or the same programs, and it's like a couple new buildings, and you're like, ah, sweet. And then okay, so that's when the real practice is when you sit with your family through Christmas and everyone's just stressing, and like you can sit and meditate and feel good on the beach here, which is kind of easy with the sound of the ocean and the feel of the wind and the breeze. But sitting there, okay, let's see how spiritual we're actually at now, you know.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I feel like that's when the real integration begins. You know, it's like can't and I've experienced that like going home at the end of last year for three months and being like, what am I gonna do with this? Like, how am I gonna keep myself regulated? Like, and definitely fell back into some past behaviors and habits, and I was aware of it, so I was consciously I was can't consciously thinking I was like, mm, okay, cool. And I I definitely improved on the last time that I was there as well.
SPEAKER_03So and it's okay to to do mistakes. The life is about learning, right? So yeah, but there's like there's certain things you can't go back to, and there's things that you know that is um it's all learning, you know. It always is, you know.
SPEAKER_04I like this saying there's no failure, there's only feedback.
SPEAKER_03There is, and that's all the perception, right? It was what did I learn from that situation again? I think it's just so much, but again, it's hard sometimes in the in the situation and in the darkness to see like the light or the learning from it, and you're like, yeah, so I can see that too.
SPEAKER_04Especially when there's emotion attached to it still, like if you're still in this if you're still feeling pain, like in whatever you're in, like it's it's really hard for you to be like, but it's happening for me. Like just breathe, bro. Just breathe. It's like fuck up.
SPEAKER_05I hate the world right now, and it's like it's alright.
SPEAKER_03It's really hard to not be angry like in the moment you're angry, or not to like to kind of change that, like to feel like okay with it, and to be like because when you're already into that, like when the engine's going here, you know, when you're on a little rage or whatever, it's like so you have to do the work before to kind of feel the okay with that.
SPEAKER_04Would you recommend to people like if when they're in it?
SPEAKER_03Like when they're in that I there's this guy called Peter Ataya. I've listened to a lot of his podcasts. He's um he's a well-known doctor, and um he did this really like interesting thing for he had to go to like seek help eventually. And um he did it when he was like 47 or 48, so kind of like older in life. And he was really like angry, you know, like mad, like if he did something wrong, wrong, had too high expectations or you know, physical, like hitting things and and stuff. And it's like when that happens, it's kind of hard to change, especially for me too when I was younger, because it's so you're so mad, there's no way of change, like you can't even hear people almost because it's just like you're just so upset. Okay. Um, but what he was doing was saying, like, let's say you're surfing, it's a good analogy, but let's one one day it's kind of big out there, and there's windy, you kind of have the wrong equipment, you didn't sleep well, you parted like a week ago, whatever. There's many factors for you to not to not surf well. It's not necessarily you on the wave, it could be many things that you don't understand, like, oh, this was the the direction of or just like let's say the direction of the wave, and then you're having wrong equipment. But it felt like the right equipment two days ago, but now this wave has changed a little bit, and it's not really the right board for the right wave, there, right? But you don't know that, so you get mad at your surfing, you're upset because you don't follow through. So he was saying, like, just always talk to yourself like you're it's your best friend, yeah. Because you would never say to your best friend, you fucking suck.
SPEAKER_05You know, you're so shit, you should be so ashamed of yourself.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. As a joke, you can do that, but like to actually help your friend, you would never really do that. So sometimes now when I get into that, like you fucking you could have done better, or this and that. I'm like, you know what? I didn't sleep that well last night. Or I've been training six times this week, and I have I've been working a lot. I'm I'm actually pretty tired, you know, like my arms are a little sore. I know how to surf, but uh, you know what? It's okay. It's okay. I'm not gonna always be the best, or no, if that's alright. You just wanted to go and have fun because you got you know what you can and you can't do, right? So it's like just step back sometimes, look at it as your best friend, and then give those words to yourself, like a little tap, you know, like what's another day to tomorrow. We can go back. Yeah, you know, like it's alright, we'll be fine. And it's like that's your friend, and then that friend will feel good, you know, because you wouldn't hurt your friend with those words you're hurting yourself. So I think he was uh it was good because he explained it in a really nice way. So I think there's one with Joe Rogan here, he talks about uh how he changed the anger issues with talking to himself like he was the his best friend.
SPEAKER_04I really like that, you know, it's inviting in self-compassion and kindness, and it just helps transmute that you know, that blame and shame that's going on. Yeah, yeah, that's really, really nice. I think that's super helpful and really important for people like when they're in the tough times, because if you're just bashing yourself on top of it, that's not gonna do you any good.
SPEAKER_03That's all it does.
SPEAKER_04I want to go back to like something was talking about earlier. We're talking about nature and and you were talking about how nature like is a really big healer. And I I'd love to I'd love to talk more about that because I don't think people really get that very much. They're like nature's a healer. Like, I remember one of my mentors being like, Oh yeah, I talk to the plants, and I was like, What the fuck?
SPEAKER_05And I'm like, she's a hippie, and and yeah, I'm like, this is strange, and like she's not that like she's a very successful businesswoman, and I'm like, she's talking about talking to the plants, and I'm like, okay, she's like, Yeah, the plants talk to me. I'm like, okay, this is strange.
SPEAKER_04And now I'm like, oh yeah, the plants talk to me. But I'm curious, yeah, what's what's that what's that like for you? Like, what does nature do for you?
SPEAKER_03Um, I think how is it healing for you? The first thing I can think of is like the ice bath because there's no way of escaping. You can go out, yeah, but like if you want to sit in this, that is so extremely painful, and it's it's not like it's painful for you and not for me. It's just like I can sit with it, right? I'm okay with the pain, I'm okay with the feeling, my hands hurt, my feet hurt, I shiver, I want to get out. Obviously, there's a level of training you need to do to do a longer ice bath. You don't want to jump in your first time. Actually, when I did my ice bath training, I did like a two-month course, it started very slow, like 30-second cold shower to one minute into the like after two, 10 weeks. You're kind of doing it out. I did it in Norway in winter time, and it was just getting more and more extreme. And then but I wouldn't start with that, you know. My first like real ice bath before I did that course in practice, I could do 30 seconds.
SPEAKER_04You're really titrating, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So you had to like, you know, for some people going in a five-minute ice bath their first time, it's cool, but you're probably not gonna go back because it's like if your body's in shock, it's just so painful. It's like, why am I doing this? Doesn't feel good at all.
SPEAKER_05That was fucked. It just gave yourself some drama. Yeah, it's like I didn't have feelings in my toes for like four years ago.
SPEAKER_03Shit. Healthy. Um, think that yeah, so ice paths teach you a lot on your mind because it you can't really focus. And this is all Wim Hof. What he like, what I got from from his way of teaching and his approach, is like you don't really think about your girlfriend's heartbreak or the bills you have to pay, just thinking about survival. How the fuck can I not die? Because that's what's gonna happen eventually, and that's the signal your brain starts to understand, too. It's like, hey, this is so cold, you could get hypothermia now, and you could so, but I again it's like you have a thermostat in your body in your body, right? When Wim Hof does trainings, he doesn't even regulate his body temperature. So he sits two hours in an ice bath, and his body temperature is exactly the same. And this is the same thing for every human. That's what he changes in science now, and they're rewriting the science books in Harvard University because they thought all this stuff of the fight and flight and the rest of the niggas part was automatic, but it's not, it's fully in control and it's linked through the breath. So ice baths for sure, nature. I think hunting is a big part. I'm I come from um you know a village and we hunt. And uh fishing is a big part of my life, and I love like trout fishing, fly fishing.
SPEAKER_04Do you much do you do much fishing here?
SPEAKER_03Not really too much in the salt water, and I do want to get into small spare fishing here.
SPEAKER_04So I go spear fishing.
SPEAKER_03My friend has gear, and we're uh we're gonna start in a lagoon, right?
SPEAKER_04Where I I do like I go deep sea fishing as well.
SPEAKER_03Awesome. And you catch so much good food.
SPEAKER_04I froth it.
SPEAKER_03Right? It's healthier, it's you have a bigger connection to the things you're actually killing, because that's what you're doing in the supermarket. You're not killing it, you're just paying somebody else to do it. I think mass industrial like agriculture is always bad, regardless. So the more we can connect to nature to like appreciate the things you are actually taking from nature. I think we're very disconnected from that. And if people actually saw how things were made, they would never eat it. Yeah, and it's very easy because it tastes like bacon. Now it's just like nice. But if you understood the the depth behind it, not saying you shouldn't eat it, you do whatever you want, but like I just want to have a connection to nature and what I'm taking from nature. Yeah, I'm not always doing it, trust me. I order food at the restaurant and I order food at the supermarket, that isn't perfect. I just most of the time I try to do better.
SPEAKER_04It's nice to just it's nice that you have that different perspective and appreciation and awareness around it as well, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, for sure. And um so you have something in Norway called seasonal affective disorder. Seasonal defective disorder. Right, for nine months. So it's not in Norway, it's a common thing in Northern countries, um, close to them.
SPEAKER_00I don't think I can do it.
SPEAKER_03Nobody really can. You pretend that you can, but your body doesn't get the vitamins it needs. So it's like no matter how much pills you're taking, it's like you do need to stay and look at the sun, you know, like not all day staring and burn your eyes, which people think I'm doing because I, you know, sun-gaze, but I think like you have a circadian clock in your body, a rhythm. So when you wake up in a nice natural time and you see sunlight, your eyes register, your body starts to wake up and you're going, you know, your system gets going, digestion, everything. And at night you start to feel tired again because that's like the circle of your circadian rhythm, it's way more natural. So when I'm in Norway and I have had corporate uh jobs where I couldn't take time off whenever I want to, it'll be like three, four weeks before I saw the sun, and you're like in the office, you're grinding, you know, you're drinking, you're drinking coffees, you're eating unhealthy, and just trying to make money, and then you have no sunlight.
SPEAKER_04Like there's just like a whole it just I just saw the color grey.
SPEAKER_03I was just like, oh, it's so it's raining or it's snowing, or it's like it's it's cloudy. So it's like no matter how much pretty Norway, I think it's one of the prettiest countries in the world, it has more pristine nature. Awesome, but fuck that. Sitting in rain and darkness for nine, eight, nine months. There's no way. So that's also nature, you need sunlight.
SPEAKER_04So I love uh yeah, what you're saying is yeah, more like here I am, like kind of being like a spiritual level. How's nature heal you? You're like, no, you actually just need it for your body, yeah. Like we are a part of nature, like like we are connected to nature, like through our circadian rhythms, like our body responds to nature, to the light, to the cycles of nature, and like we need it to survive and to thrive on a biological level.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's hard to like because the the hippie level of like talking to plants, like, yeah, everything can talk to you if you just like sit and listen. It doesn't have the words like verbally like saying things, yeah, but there's a connection to everything, you know, right? I believe at least there's a connection to to it all. But it's like telling a person who's like in the in the matrix to go hug a plant and talk to it, they'd be like, Fuck you, bro. Go grounding, have my feet in the sand or in the grass, it's just tickles. But it's just like people have like they're so disconnected, so I understand that would be hard for a person who has all that shit to to work with just go in the grass.
SPEAKER_04I really appreciate the way that you've delivered that. Yeah, that it's like, no, you actually just need it for your body to throw it. Oh, you do, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, and it's especially like coming from Norway, it's very easy to see like when I go back, when it's like, yo, I've been there for months, I haven't seen the sun. How can you guys do this? And I'm used to now traveling for the last 15 years around the world where there's sun. So I want to see more sun.
SPEAKER_04I'm curious about the stats around people in Norway's like mental health as a result and physical health.
SPEAKER_03It's very interesting and uh have a different like.
SPEAKER_01Well, maybe the big adapted to it in some way or others you do, you know.
SPEAKER_03The body is very adaptive. If you smoke cigarettes, your body's gonna adapt to smoking cigarettes, or if you use alcohol or other drugs, so it's like you can do a lot of things because your body is very unique, it's extremely adaptive, right? But it's not always necessarily saying it's the good thing. So it's like you can adapt, your body will start craving alcohol, and you can actually die without it. It's like, is that good for me, even though my body adapted to it? No, it's like it's not, you know. We know like the basic things we need for human health. That's what we there's things we want, and there's things we need, right? So you don't need an ice bath, you need sun, right? Yeah, but it's both part of the the system, the nature. So um I think it's just important to sometimes just slow down, you don't have to do anything. There's no tomorrow, no yesterday, you just sit there right now and you appreciate being alive. Yeah, it's hard sometimes because we have all these goals and things and expectations and uh things from the system, but that is nobody in our own benefits. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Interesting. So tell me, what uh what's next for you? Like what are your goals? Like, what are you wanting to create?
SPEAKER_03Um I want to make a wellness club in Rancho Citavena. My friend's uh hotel on the beach has probably the best location in town here. So I wanna um just make a place where people can hang out, they can go surf, they can do an ice bath, they can do a sauna, they can do a yoga class, or they can do a breathwork class or a little calisthenic gym training and make a little wellness hub there. As I'm still working online with my uh online coaching and uh stuff, and I think just for now to do that for a few years, help out and build, and he's a really nice guy. We have a good relationship, you know, we're both interested in helping each other, but also it's like it's not that ego kind of way of working, which is really healthy, and uh I feel really good working with this guy, so I feel very grateful. So I want to lock in and do that now, and then maybe in five-10 years have a big yacht with Starlink and uh solar panels and a really cool crew, maybe a future girlfriend, and just sail around, maybe Fiji, crystal clear water, and just surf and go fishing and uh make money online while traveling the world.
SPEAKER_04That sounds cool.
SPEAKER_03It's been a dream for a long time, but it's like it's more and more becoming like okay, it's gonna happen eventually.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And then I had a conversation yesterday. It's like, yeah, did you sail ever, bro? And I'm like, nope.
SPEAKER_05That's what I was about to ask you. I'm like, sailing.
SPEAKER_03But I'm like, the Vikings did it thousand years ago with no GPS, no charts, no uh forecasts. I'm sure we'll be fine. It's gonna be hard. I understand that. But nothing is impossible. There's no problems, there's only solutions.
SPEAKER_04Yes, right. And people do this thing where they find a problem. Like you're always gonna find a problem. Always. If you're looking for a problem, you'll find it. So just change it in your brain. Start fucking looking for solutions. Exactly, yeah.
SPEAKER_03100%. And it's funny now when you see people who's like that already negative towards this thing you want to do, or whatever, it's like, you don't think I thought about this, bro? Like, you don't thought I'm just gonna buy a boat and go out with no experience alone. No, obviously not.
SPEAKER_04Obviously, I'm gonna teach myself a thing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and there's gonna be people on the crew that can do like, you know, medicine, or there's things that we need, like a mechanic, or there's like things if shit hits and breaks, you know, like you want to fix it. But I have heard just before, like us I started traveling, this guy in Norway, he bought an 80-foot sailboat with like eight, ten people, no experience, sale like from Norway to Spain, which is a fair decent amount, and he was like, you know what? And they just went cross, they just sailed for years and had no exp no experience. And he wasn't like a very like Viking looking person, no, he's a businessman who's like fed up and he was like, Yo, I'm leaving, and it just took the family, another family, and they took a bought a big boat and they just made it happen.
SPEAKER_04So that's wild.
SPEAKER_03You can get crashed in a car crash outside here, or in it's like you can get stuck with something in your throat, like eating. If nature and this universe wants you gone, it'll happen. You yeah, you can't you can't dodge it. You don't have to force it to happen because obviously your action is gonna have a consequence, but I I can't I cannot go around living this world being scared of things that could happen. It's just not in me.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. What would you say to someone who is experiencing life like that?
SPEAKER_03Um yeah, it depends the person, I guess.
SPEAKER_04But uh they're just scared, they're scared to quit their job or they're scared to leave the relationship. It's a good question. Scared to travel.
SPEAKER_03It's easy to say like the Nike, Nike logo, just do it.
SPEAKER_05It's so crazy that you said that because my brain literally said, just do it. Just do it.
SPEAKER_03Because it's it is that easy. It's always just because it everything comes down to decision. You can say, No, I'm different, but it's a decision for everyone. Like I want to quit smoking, that is a decision I need to make. Right? It's whatever you think it is, it's just either doing it or not doing it. Always comes down to decision. So it's like if you want to leave your partner because they're abusive, it's your decision to do that, right? But what Joel Dispenser teaches a lot is like the humans, or what he explains, is we're just like so creatures of habits, and we rather want to do something that is painful and we know than doing something we don't know because the fear of the unknown.
SPEAKER_04Familiar hell of unfamiliar heaven, right?
SPEAKER_03And it's the classic, I've been using this example for a long time because you know going back to that relationship is bad for you. You know it's abusive, but you have to make a choice of not doing it. Like, no matter what you like, people can want you to quit or people can want you to leave, and it's like no matter what they do, it's you who has to make the decision. And sometimes it's just you look, you're just this is where you're supposed to be right now. You just you're just in this to either learn or you know, to keep doing the same mistakes.
SPEAKER_04People really want certainty before they take the leap.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and that's not how it works.
SPEAKER_04It's not how it works. Sorry guys. I didn't have certainty when I moved to Costa Rica.
SPEAKER_03No, you're scared.
SPEAKER_04I didn't know why the fuck I was moving here.
SPEAKER_03It was just like doubt and they're like, oh, but then you continue and then you continue, and then look now, you're just like killing it. It's like awesome. Yeah. Because of the decision of not yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04If if if it feels like a risk and if it feels like a leap, then that's a clue that you're in the right place. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04And you've got to be willing to let go of the things that are anchoring you into that current reality so that you can step into a new reality. Like it's not possible to be in that new reality. Yeah, you can't. Like, you've actually got to let it go. You've got to let it die. Yeah, you gotta shed that skin so you get that shiny new skin.
SPEAKER_03With friends, that's been really hard because you come home and it's been your best friend for like 25 years almost, like since you were kids, kids, and you're just so freaking different, and you love that person from the bottom of your heart, but you can just see there's no growth or no change or no like similarities anymore. It's like no matter how much I want to hang out and get fucked up and go with you the weekend and do the things we used to do, right? It's like I can't anymore, right? I can do it once a year, all right. Let's go have fun. You know, but like I'm I can't like meet you on that level anymore. Yeah. So unless you want to come fishing, go do sports or go train, like if you don't want to do those things, I it's okay. Yeah, I'm not mad at you or anything, but I'm just gonna step out and not be with you anymore. And I have had to do that with friends back home, which has been very tough. But as you said, it's very hard. To keep lingering in either one, and then like you can't go into the next step.
SPEAKER_04There's an element of self-abandoning there that happens to you.
SPEAKER_03Has to die, has to go away, have to be like if it doesn't feel good for you anymore. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04It's like I'm actually just abandoning myself now.
SPEAKER_03And that's not okay either. No, no, that's bad because it just bad. You can't do that to yourself. He's doing whatever he's doing, you know. Like that's okay.
SPEAKER_04We can love people where they're at.
SPEAKER_03100%.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Awesome. That's a good one. It's been such a good chat.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's cool.
SPEAKER_04Thank you so much for coming. Thank you. I really appreciate it. I feel like there's been so many golden nuggets that people are gonna walk away with.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, hopefully.
SPEAKER_04From that chat. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Just do it. All right. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_04Ciao.