From Viral Skits To Real Struggles: Chloe Kent On Comedy, Confidence, And The Cost Of Going Public

Anxiety might not come with a script—but if it did, it would probably sound like Chloe Kent. In this episode, we sit down with the viral comedian whose sharp skits have taken over timelines, and we step past the punchlines to explore the real life beneath them. Chloe opens up about the health spirals that escalate from zero to ten, the catastrophising that hits on planes, in theme parks and at the most inconvenient moments, and the pressure to be “on” at every event, doorstep, and PR night. She talks honestly about the gap between her online character and the quieter human behind it—and why protecting that gap has helped her stay grounded.

We go deep into the reality of working in comedy in 2025: the culture of instant backlash, the shrinking room for error, and the strain of navigating humour in a world where context gets stripped and labels stick. Chloe shares how editing became her creative superpower, giving her the control that the stage never allowed—tight cuts, sharper timing, and humour delivered without unnecessary fallout. We also unpack the difference between online negativity and real-life kindness, and how hearing “you made my day” from someone face to face can silence a thousand anonymous trolls.

At the heart of this conversation is something universal: belief. Losing it, rebuilding it, and leaning on the people who hold it for you when you cannot. Chloe speaks about hacked accounts, grief, rebuilding confidence, and the steadying influence of partners, parents, and friends when the inner critic takes over. Not every creator fits the flashy, jet-set influencer mould—and Chloe is living proof that comedy, creativity, and family life can coexist on your own terms. Her five-year plan is refreshingly real: stay alive for her kids, stay happy enough to keep creating, and keep telling the truth—one joke at a time.

If you’ve ever felt the tug-of-war between panic and performance, or struggled to show up online while holding your life together offline, this episode offers honesty, humour, and a huge amount of relief.

In this episode we cover:

• how daily anxiety both fuels and disrupts comedy
 • worst-case thinking, health fears, and spirals
 • posting while anxious—and surviving the comment section
 • persona vs person: the difference that protects your mental health
 • meeting followers in real life (and why they’re kinder offline)
 • cancel culture, tighter joke margins, and writing safer, sharper material
 • why editing beats the stage for anxious creatives
 • industry entitlement, event culture, and choosing not to play the game
 • finding support through grief, setbacks and hacked accounts
 • simple, powerful goals: stability, joy and sustainable creativity

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00
This is the episode I I thought would never happen. This was what this is one of the first episodes that I booked in, and I could just we just never could get the dates to match up, and I just never thought this would happen, but it's happening right now. Well, in about ten minutes.
SPEAKER_02: 0:15
Yeah, and it could be like, what's that like? Interactive theatre. We could just randomly like make people join in and it would be like improv, like you, Sandra, the tornadoes come and all your kids are dead. Now what you're gonna do. Do you know what I mean? And see what she says.
SPEAKER_00: 0:31
It's definitely not therapy.
SPEAKER_01: 0:33
Welcome to another episode of Definitely Not Therapy with me, Dan Lawrence, where I talk to real people in every single episode. It's a different stranger with a different story. It's real people with real struggles, real vulnerabilities. It's raw, it's honest, it's unfiltered. In this episode, I'm joined by Chloe Kent, who is a social media sensation. She really is a social media sensation, in all fairness. And I'm a little bit anxious about having her on because usually I wouldn't want someone on that's funnier than me. Because quite honestly, my ego can't take it. But she's hilarious. Her name is Chloe Kent, she's from Kent, and she makes comedy skits. She's amassed nearly two million followers, she gets millions of views every single month. She's incredibly funny, she's incredibly talented. But what I'm really keen to talk to Chloe about is perhaps the darker side of social media because there is one, and obviously I live it, and I have lived it, and I've lived through it. And Chloe, there is a dark side for Chloe. There's a dark side on social media for everyone. It can be a real struggle. People can be nasty, and when people are hiding behind a keyboard, it's very easy to be nasty and to be unkind. And Chloe's had her fair share of that. Everyone, I think you could be the nicest person in the world, but you post something on social media, you're gonna get one idiot, you're gonna get one idiot that just says something rude and it can ruin your day. I'm really keen to spread awareness around a whole host of different topics, including mental health and anxiety. But I think it'll be interesting to take a look behind the curtain of social media and talk to someone who ha really has had struggles, but fights that anxiety every single day and makes content every single day.
SPEAKER_00: 2:20
It's definitely not therapy. Hi Chloe.
SPEAKER_01: 2:28
Oh no, can't you hear me? Can you hear me? Hang on, if you can't hear me, let me change.
SPEAKER_03: 2:36
I just want to speak off.
SPEAKER_01: 2:38
Let me see, because I can Can you hear me now?
SPEAKER_02: 2:43
Yeah, I can, yeah.
SPEAKER_01: 2:45
I for some re I've muted myself.
SPEAKER_02: 2:48
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01: 2:49
Which is I I think one of the things you do need with a podcast is audio.
SPEAKER_02: 2:54
Yeah, it does help, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_01: 2:56
It's one of the main things actually. Okay, so welcome to the podcast. Chloe Kent. Chloe Kent from Kent.
SPEAKER_02: 3:03
Are we started?
SPEAKER_01: 3:04
We'll start. We'll just start straight into it.
SPEAKER_02: 3:06
Oh, right. Okay, yeah, yeah. Well, thanks for having me on.
SPEAKER_01: 3:09
That's alright. Do people sort of say that a lot, Chloe Kent, from Kent?
SPEAKER_02: 3:14
Yeah, I actually get it quite a lot.
SPEAKER_01: 3:15
It's such an obvious joke, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02: 3:17
Well Yeah, but then they get mad when I'm like, oh, I live in Norfolk now. They're like, oh, so you're not even from Kent. I'm like, well, yeah, I am, I'm sort of from there.
SPEAKER_01: 3:25
Yeah, you wouldn't, it's it would be a strange thing to lie about if you was actually like from Liverpool and you had a thick Liverpool accent and you were just like, No, you're Chloe Kent from Kent. It would just be weird, wouldn't it?
SPEAKER_02: 3:37
Yeah, and I'm not gonna change my name now to Chloe Kent from Kent now resides in Norfolk. It's just too much.
SPEAKER_01: 3:42
It's a lot, isn't it? It's quite a long Instagram handle as well.
SPEAKER_02: 3:45
Yeah, and it might be taken in this day and age. Probably.
SPEAKER_01: 3:50
Yeah, I was saying just before, obviously, I was a bit I was a bit uh not anxious is probably not the right word, but you know, a podcast about mental health and anxiety, but obviously having I've been a big fan of yours and we've we've been in contact for quite a long time. I've watched your content for a long time, and for me to have someone funnier than me on my own podcast is like my ego is is that I don't know if it's gonna take it. So just try not to be funny for this whole next hour.
SPEAKER_02: 4:20
You just you're giving me too much credit there, but okay.
SPEAKER_01: 4:23
I think I mean look, I've watched your your content for a long time, and I think it's I I like the fact that you take like a dark like a I guess a tough situation, something dark, something like bad, and you will make it funny. And as much as I guess my content for the last year raising months hasn't been like that, that is my sense of humour. It is okay, taking something bad and make making a joke out of it, and like a pro I it might have even been one of the first videos I saw of yours, but it was the ones with your your mum, who I hope you don't mind. Obviously, you share about it on your social media, but your mum passed away, and then you make these videos of like your mum in an urn and you do this oh Carol, it's like you you've you've got this thing, and it's I think that might have been one of the first things I ever saw.
SPEAKER_02: 5:16
Do you are so close then when you said your mum passed away? I was like, What? Has she? And I thought, no, don't do that to him.
SPEAKER_01: 5:22
That would be so out of order if the whole thing was an act. If it was brilliant, if it was brilliant, but yeah, the fact that you're able to make light of it.
SPEAKER_02: 5:32
Yeah, well, I I think when you struggle anyway with anxiety, I think when you've when you've got it, like so much in your life that you need to like laugh off some of the really serious stuff, you know what I mean? Otherwise, it's just too much, yeah, it's overwhelming.
SPEAKER_01: 5:48
100%, yeah. Have you always struggled with anxiety?
SPEAKER_02: 5:52
Yeah, well, yeah, pretty much really, since I can remember, like not so much as a child, it sort of seemed to develop into the teenage years, and then that was it. I just don't ever remember it going. Obviously, I do have better times sometimes where there's like there'd be like a batch of time, like three months or something, where I feel quite good. Yeah, but most of the time I would say it's there nearly every day, and then it doesn't take much, and then it can it can something can like trigger me, and then I'm like tipped over the edge. Like like just the other day, I was feeling quite unwell, and like my health anxiety was like zero to ten, like straight away. Like it doesn't, you know. I think when you have anxiety, you are easily triggered. Things do panic you, and yeah. So I think it is it's definitely always there, especially as I've got older.
SPEAKER_01: 6:41
Yeah, I find that. I find since I've got older, there's and especially like having a family as well, or having kids, it's like things that perhaps weren't scary before are all of a sudden really scary.
SPEAKER_02: 6:53
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot that worries me now. Like, I I don't want anything to happen to I wouldn't want I wouldn't have wanted anything to happen to me anyway, but now nothing can actually happen to me because I have two kids and like the pressure of trying to stay alive, like oh, it's just so hard. It never used to be there, but I'm under so much pressure now to stay alive, it's unreal.
SPEAKER_01: 7:14
It is a lot of pressure, isn't it? Yeah, it is. And and also I don't know if you do this, but I have this. I I don't know. Maybe I'm just really now I'm thinking about this, I'm gonna say this out loud, but maybe I'm just a really negative person. But if I'm doing anything, like it doesn't matter what it is, it could be I don't know. Uh on a on a s on a silly little ride at a theme park, I'm the one that's like that bolt, that bolt's gonna come undone, it has to come undone at some point. It has to come undone, and if it's gonna come undone, it's gonna happen when I'm on it. It's definitely gonna happen, and I get so worked up in my head about it.
SPEAKER_02: 7:48
Yeah, that's me with everything. It's like when people go on holidays and they're just sitting there on the plane and stuff like that, and I'm just like, does nobody have any awareness? Like, does nobody like worry about the fact the plane could obviously crash and I'm on it, so it probably will. Yeah, I was going to Spain back in May, and we was on that shuttle, and no joke, there was a man in the car in a state car in front of me. He had a big sign that said baby on board. There was no baby, there was no child, it was just him. I was a hundred percent certain in my head that he was like a terrorist. It baffled me that else picked up on the signs, yeah. And I'm like, am I just really smart? Should I be like in MI6 or whatever it's called? Because I I linked the sticker up, realized there was no child, boom, I knew we were all under threat, immediate threat, and nobody else was bothered.
SPEAKER_01: 8:43
But did you tell anyone?
SPEAKER_02: 8:45
Well, I told Ryan, that was it.
SPEAKER_01: 8:47
And what did he say? Is he used to this kind of oh, it's just Chloe being Chloe again?
SPEAKER_02: 8:52
He was like, Well, maybe he's driving to his child. I was like, Well, that makes doesn't make sense. Nobody goes for a booze run in England and then goes back. And oh, I don't he kept coming up with all these scenarios, and I was like, listen, Ryan, the only scenario that makes sense is that we're in a terrorist situation.
SPEAKER_01: 9:08
So, and were you in a terrorist situation?
SPEAKER_02: 9:11
Well, no, unless we were and they forgot to detonate.
SPEAKER_01: 9:15
They could that, yeah. That is what terrorists are known for is forgetting to detonate, aren't they?
SPEAKER_02: 9:20
Well, that's it. They've got a lot on their plate, a lot to remember.
SPEAKER_01: 9:23
Odd odd you, they got one thing to remember.
SPEAKER_02: 9:26
Yeah, yeah, true. That is true.
SPEAKER_01: 9:30
But yeah, social anxiety. So, okay, so let me ask you this then because doing a job like posting videos on social media when you're quite an anxious person, and I and I get it and I relate to it, but it's hard to do that anyway. To do that with a level of anxiety is really hard. So it's like w the the pros must weigh out outweigh the cons.
SPEAKER_02: 9:59
What do you mean like the pros weighing out the cons of like the response to your presence being online and stuff?
SPEAKER_01: 10:05
Yeah, just if it's you're anxious, like so anything that you post, do you get anxious about it still? Like you're posting it and you're anxious because of how people are gonna receive it, what people are gonna if they're gonna find it funny, or is that kind of um I think the only thing that concerns me is that like sometimes not so much now, because if I'm honest, I'm not as brave as what I I was with what I used to post, because obviously now we all like council culture, everyone is offended.
SPEAKER_02: 10:33
So sometimes, like in the past I've had it where I've posted something and I think it's completely innocent, yeah. But then someone will pick up on something and then run with it, and then they throw like certain labels at you, and you're like, Oh whoa, that's not me. So that yeah, that used to make me quite anxious, but now I guess I try and keep the comedy safer in a sense because I don't want any like obviously it's comedy, you're not supposed to, you're not setting out to insult or offend anybody, you're only there to have a laugh, but yeah, like mostly it's okay if I'm honest. I don't get too panicky. Like if it's about my mum, that's sodom, like everyone can grieve how they want to grieve. Do you know what I mean? And yeah, yeah, so I agree. Yeah, not not too bad, really.
SPEAKER_01: 11:16
Yeah, that's good. Because it is still like, even aside from that, it's it's still because you're you're putting yourself out in the public eye, but even though you're anxious, but you're still you're still like forcing so is it is it kind of a conscious decision to force yourself to do that, or are you just naturally do you just actually just really enjoy it that much that the anxiety I know I know I know you're saying that you're not like it doesn't make you massively anxious anymore, but obviously for for someone who doesn't do social media that perhaps doesn't understand the mindset, it's like it's very easy to look at and be like, Well, why would you do social media if you're anxious? And I get it because I'm I'm anxious. I have like there's a massive part of it that I hate, but there's so much about it that I love as well.
SPEAKER_02: 12:01
Yeah, I think I get like those good endorphins when I post, you know, like when people react and then everyone's laughing, I feel really quite good about myself, and I think that's quite addictive. So I think that's what keeps me posting. But I think the only thing that I struggle with is the fact that people obviously think I come across so confident online that they just assume I'm like it in real life.
SPEAKER_03: 12:22
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02: 12:23
So it's like people want the version of Chubby Kent on TikTok all the time when they, you know, when they meet up with me, and I can't always live up to that because I'm not that person all the time. Sometimes I'm quiet, sometimes I can't be arsed, you know. Like I'm normal. I'm just normal.
SPEAKER_01: 12:41
I but I get I get that. I I I remember so I become friends, it's a really weird situation, but I become and this isn't a name drop for the sake of a name drop, but I I became friends with someone who is quite well known, is in in Top Boy, he's big on TV, he's been in loads of Netflix stuff, and it was and I remember this moment where we he sort of started following me. Ashley Walters, if you didn't know who he is, but he started following me, then I sent him a message, I started following him, blah blah blah. And then we he ended up like coming to my little girl's birthday party, was watching like football games together, and I remember he said he called me a catfish. He said, Because you're really funny online. He said, But then you come around here for parties, and like you're just well, basically you're not funny, you're not funny anymore. And I'm like, Well, yeah, because I can't one, it's quite intimidating being in a someone's house who's who I've watched on TV for years, and then I'm just I've rapped his songs when I've been drunk in a club, and then I'm now just in his house having a barbecue with all of his family. I'm I'm not gonna stand up and like start telling jokes, but I remember him calling me like a catfish because in real life he's like, Yeah, you're just not you're just not like I don't think you meant it to be offensive, although he hasn't he hasn't messaged me since then, but yeah, I I think it was just yeah, I don't know. But I so I get it, it's like and you must get a lot of people come up to you being recognised online. You must get a lot of people that come up to you and they probably want to have a little chat and like oh, can I get a photo? And do they expect you to be to be funny as well?
SPEAKER_02: 14:13
Yeah, my so my neighbours they live around the corner, and their child is best friends with my son, so they're they're always together, they arrange sleepovers. So obviously, through them, like we become quite friendly and chatty. And he always comments that the dad, the neighbour, he always comments that I'm not like the Chloe he has seen on TikTok. Like he's like, You're so loud and out there on TikTok, and you just don't you don't give a shit and you swear, and then I come to your house and it's all very polite. I'm like, well, I'm not gonna answer the door and just start shouting at you. And he even said to me, he goes, one of my friends, she's actually asked when she comes down next, can I introduce you to like can I introduce you both? And I was like, Yeah, yeah, you can do that, that's fine. And he said to her, Oh, but she's not like she is on TikTok. I'm like, bloody hell, you're like, you're not selling me very well at all, are you? It's like people have like this expectation or something. I don't know, like it's just it's strange, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01: 15:07
It's a pressure. I I find it's I find it's really weird when people come up to me and that that and they recognise me from social media because like you probably you're quite similar, you're just you're quite down-to-earth girl. I'm I'm down to earth, and I think anyone coming up to you, I just find it so like strange because I just post videos and put them online, and you don't ever expect that that means someone in the street's gonna recognise you and want to come over and have a photo. Like if it's yeah, if it's Ryan Goslin walking down the street, then by all means go and get a photo of him. But I reckon there's been I I even say 50 photos taken of me, what who what are they doing with those photos? Do you know what I mean? What what is what what because they get home, they'd be like, Oh, I took a photo with that guy, and then forget and then immediately forget because because I'm not Ryan Goslin. So I just find it I find it really surreal.
SPEAKER_02: 15:59
Yeah, because there's I feel like there's a massive difference between like T V movie famous to like just big being known from social media, like they they they do feel like two different things. Like I would never walk around holding myself in such high regard like I am, like a big movie star, because that's just not me. But when people come up and say hello, I like it because it does feel quite chilled. Yeah, like you know, they're not screaming and crying, you know, like if I was Justin Bieber, which would really freak me out, by the way.
SPEAKER_01: 16:30
That would be too that'd be overwhelming, wouldn't it? It'd be too much. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02: 16:33
Well like I'll be in therapy. But therapy.
SPEAKER_01: 16:36
I would want to try it once though, just to see. I'd want to see how I felt about it and then make a decision.
SPEAKER_02: 16:43
Do you think you'd cry with them?
SPEAKER_01: 16:45
I'd cry, I'd probably cry. I'd I'd probably wet myself and possibly pass out. I don't know what I'd I'd feel a lot of emotion.
SPEAKER_02: 16:54
Yeah, it's a lot, isn't it? Like, how do they cope with that?
SPEAKER_01: 16:57
Yeah, I'd be like, why are they crying? I'd be like, do they what do you know that I don't know? Have they all found out that my that have they all found out something terrible about me and I don't know that yet?
SPEAKER_02: 17:07
That's true. And I have health anxiety, so if they were crying, I'd be like, what's wrong? Do I look pale? Do you know what I mean? So that would freak me out. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01: 17:17
Have my doctor has my doctor leaked my results online and everyone's and this is being shared around and I have no idea.
SPEAKER_02: 17:23
Everyone's gutted for me. But no, thankfully, people just come come up and they're like, Oh Chloe, your content makes me laugh. You seem so down to earth, keep going, keep doing what you're doing, and then you know they off. But and I think that's lovely.
SPEAKER_01: 17:36
Yeah, it is di I I find it's very different in person than it is online, because online people will just say what they want to say, whereas actually I don't think I've ever had really anyone in person other than one old late uh one old lady once who properly lured me in as well. She was like, Oh, you're you're Dan from from the internet, aren't you? And I was like, I was trying to have a joke of her, but she was nice, she had a smile on her face. I was like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she went, Oh, I think you're an idiot. I went, oh, okay. This didn't go the way I thought it was gonna go.
SPEAKER_04: 18:10
No.
unknown: 18:11
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01: 18:12
I don't know if she meant it. I was taken aback. I was like, oh, okay, I thought you were just saying low, but we're doing this in boots, are we? And then she just sort of walked off. It was a bit weird. But uh but other than that, for the most part, people are nice in person, aren't they?
SPEAKER_02: 18:26
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they are. I've not experienced anything bad yet. I don't know how I respond to that. Someone, you know, an old bird calling me an idiot.
SPEAKER_01: 18:35
Yeah. Well, you probably will I but yeah, I I can I think you can get in trouble for hitting if you're a man and you hit a woman, I think you can get in trouble for that.
SPEAKER_02: 18:47
Yeah, there is potential there, yeah.
SPEAKER_01: 18:49
Yeah, because if I said, Well, she called me an idiot, Judge. Oh, don't worry about it, then off you go. Crack on hitting old women. I don't think that's how it works.
SPEAKER_02: 18:57
See, but and now you're a thug, so you can add thug to the list, you know, because you've beaten off woman.
SPEAKER_01: 19:02
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's that's straight on the cancel culture list, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02: 19:06
So yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_03: 19:08
It's definitely not therapy.
SPEAKER_01: 19:10
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SPEAKER_00: 21:41
It's definitely not therapy.
SPEAKER_01: 21:43
Because this is a natural thing. I I get this quite a lot, which is people then you do social media for for a little while, and then you get this, oh you should do stand-up comedy, and everyone then in every not everyone, because that's sounds really arrogant, but there's this this group of people that then just think it's just a natural progression to be able to go on. But I find like doing anything in public terrifying, yeah. As opposed to just being completely in a controlled environment, I've got my phone or I've got my camera and I can edit. I it's just a completely different world to me. Would you ever do would you ever do anything like that?
SPEAKER_02: 22:22
I think it would be a huge struggle. I actually went the other day to watch a drag queen who's brilliant and she works the crowd brilliantly. But even when I just walked in there, I was nervous straight away. Like, and I'm not even the one getting on stage, but I think that's just like I am obviously I I get overwhelmed easily. I'm a little bit of a nervous person, so I have to have a glass of wine to settle my nerves anyway, and then I I can sort of enjoy my role as the audience. So I actually cannot see myself at the moment getting on a stage, and let's face it, I'll be brilliant. So then I'll be on the Apollo and all sorts. Do you know what I mean? And I can't, I won't be able to keep up.
SPEAKER_01: 22:59
It's a lot of pressure, then, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02: 23:01
Oh, imagine selling out the O2. I wouldn't go.
SPEAKER_01: 23:05
Do you know what I mean? I watched, and I won't I won't name her, but mainly because I've forgotten I've forgotten who she was, but I went to see Paul Chowdry fairly recently. He was doing a one night at the O2, and he had three support acts. Two of them were were were men, one of them was, and this isn't I don't know why I'm telling you their sex, it's irrelevant to the story, but the woman in the middle, she was an Indian woman, and she'd apparently done like some quite big things on the circuit, on like the comedy circuit, which I don't really know what that is, really, but she did some big things on it and she was really well known. And then her PR team got her this gig, which was to warm up for Paul Chowdhury at a sellout O2, and she it was the most uncomfortable thing I've ever sat through. Oh no, like it was and I and I and I felt for her the jokes, were just so I don't know, I don't even know how to describe them. Like they were so past like cancel culture that she was trying to make a point of going so far beyond the line, but because she was an Indian lady and it's like a very Indian-based because it's Paul Chowdhury, it was that culture, it just did that. Imagine telling a joke and you having a smile on your face thinking I've nailed this, and then the whole crowd were just like looking around like, oh, that's awkward. And that's to the O2. I would get I I sometimes if I tell a joke to my mate, to one friend, if it's me and one friend and I tell a joke and doesn't like it, I'm like, oh fuck, I fucked this up. This is so bad. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to take it.
SPEAKER_02: 24:35
No, I have a lot of fears with with stand-up. I've just like again, naming no names, but there has been some comedians who ended up cancelling themselves, and I just think it ruins their life, it ruins their mental health. I just think it's all for the sake of a joke, which you obviously tell with all good intention. Yeah, it worries me a bit. I mean, even Matt Reif keeps coming under so much fire at the moment, and I just think he's actually pretty good. Like he's just like his crowd work is brilliant, I think he's harmless, but we just live in a generation where people look, they look to find something that makes you a problem. Yeah, and then once they've found it, they don't let go. So yeah, I I don't know. I think I feel safer because I I've been obviously writing scripts, and even then, obviously, I wrote my script budget airlines with Ruth Corden, who is obviously the the brother, brother, she's the sister of James Corden. So she obviously has quite a bit of knowledge from the industry through him. So even now, when I have given her my script, she'll come back to me and she'll say, I don't think you can say this on television anymore, you need to change this word. And one of the words she said no to was a word that was aired perfectly regularly, all the time, in Benny Dorm only 10 years ago. So it's funny how I think TV changes, but at least in that scenario, because you've written it, you can work on it and change it. But if I go up on stage and say it, yeah, oh no, no, panicking.
SPEAKER_01: 26:01
Yeah, yeah. It's interesting though what you say about TV because you look at any any kind of well, look at I don't know, Little Britain. But like some of the classics that we would have watched growing up that would have been probably I don't know, fundamental in in my DNA when it comes to like comedy, and you just can't watch them anymore. Like that a lot of them aren't on TV anymore.
SPEAKER_02: 26:24
Yeah, I know. I mean, some things I look back and I just think, oh my god, like how did this even air the first time?
SPEAKER_01: 26:31
Like it's just that you get those zippy and bungle clips that go round from like I don't know what was it, not have not happy days. What did what were they on? Zippy and Bungle? Sesame Street, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_03: 26:40
Rainbow.
SPEAKER_01: 26:40
Rainbow.
SPEAKER_03: 26:41
Rainbow?
SPEAKER_01: 26:41
It's like how did they get away with that? Like, I and I now don't know if those clips are now AI generated because they're so like on the cast, and you're like, is that even real? Did that even really happen?
SPEAKER_02: 26:52
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01: 26:54
But yeah.
SPEAKER_02: 26:55
But the thing is, but like some comedies, it it works because if you look at Benny Dom, you're talking you're talking about a family that were like this low-income budget family from an estate somewhere up north. So they're not going to be politically correct all the time, are they? You know, that that's that's part of their personality. But yeah, even still, you've you've got to be careful how you write characters in because yeah, it's a it's a it's a tough world comedy now. I think it's the hardest it's been.
SPEAKER_01: 27:22
Yeah, and I think it's a shame. I do think it's a shame because actually when you're restricted, and you but you've mentioned this a minute ago, where you're like, you just make safe, like safe comedy now, really. But don't you just feel restricted doing that? Like, because some of the funniest stuff I come up with, I know full well I can't I can't say it.
SPEAKER_02: 27:43
Yeah, well, I really do. I was watching a clip the other day of this guy doing stand-up, and he was half Indian, half Australian, and he was so brilliant. And he was in this whole segment where he was like throwing out all these different accents. He was obviously doing Aussie, then he was doing like British, then he was doing like Indian, and then he was doing like Asian, like he was doing all these different things, and the crowd was like loving it, he was brilliant. But I just thought, I wonder if I could do that, you know, and I just think there are restrictions, it it depends on who you are, you know. Like, do you know what I mean? I just think it's really hard now to call it as to what's okay and what's not.
SPEAKER_01: 28:18
100%. Well, even looking at like the Paul Cowdery gig that I went to see, like ultimately a lot of it is it is racism, but we can't we wouldn't be able to say it, but because he's Indian, he can make jokes about his own culture, I guess.
SPEAKER_02: 28:33
Oh yeah, absolutely. That yeah, yeah. I mean, we can make jokes about ours, but us we're a bit boring, I think.
SPEAKER_01: 28:40
We are yeah, I think yeah, race and religion, probably not a route we we should go down, perhaps.
SPEAKER_02: 28:46
But no, maybe we'll just leave it to the professionals then on that one.
SPEAKER_01: 28:51
But I did um so I had this this thing so I was booked to do some um stand-up comedy and uh and I bottled it. It was a year ago, and I and I actually bottled it, but for a lot of reasons. One, there was some stuff going on at at like at home the day that I left, and I had to go to this festival, and uh as I walked out the door, something happened just as I walked out the door, and it just put me like you have to be so confident to stand in front of a group of people, and but I'd sort of got myself together and I got my confidence and I was ready to do it, and then something knocked me, then I got to this this gig, and there was meant to be like 10 people there, but I was like, because I was so confident leading up to it, I was posting about it on my social media, so all of a sudden there was like 300 people there at this gig, and I was like, oh, okay, I shouldn't have been so cocky about it in the first place, and then so then I was practicing, I was like getting getting getting my jokes ready, and then it was meant to be my mate introducing me on, but this professional turned up and he did as well as he was gonna do the intro, he did like a 45-minute set, and he was and his crowd work was brilliant, it was like just brilliant, and I stood there, I was like, okay, there's no way I can follow that. Like it just knocked my confidence so much. Like it's not his fault, he was he was brilliant, but the whole thing just changed because of like two or three different things. I was like, Oh, I can do it. And it was only the other day that I did a I did a one of these podcasts for Andy's Man Club in London, and it was like central London, but all day I was sitting there and I was like it was live because there was a live audience, it was live streamed, and that wasn't but I put myself in a situation where I knew I couldn't get out of it, so I knew I had to sit and do it, but that was quite scary sitting there and there was like actual people watching me do a podcast on this like stage. But I'm quite proud of myself that I did it.
SPEAKER_02: 30:50
Yeah, yeah, at least that's with somebody else. You can you're bouncing off somebody a little bit, aren't you?
SPEAKER_01: 30:56
Yeah, definitely. And that's why I was thinking like with comedy, you're there's so much pressure just on you to make everyone laugh. Whereas if you're if you're with someone, you're having a chat, like me and you, we're having a chat, there'll be some jokes along the way. If I'm having a chat with my mates, some jokes along the way. But if I'm just stood on a stage, it's like, oh, now all the pressure is on, is on. So I think that's that's what I mean, that's what I love about social media is that you can you can control it, I guess.
SPEAKER_02: 31:23
Yeah, you can you can edit it, you can make it funnier, you can change bits. I notice that a lot of the time. Sometimes if I put out a TikTok, if I like edit it so it's really choppy and faster, it actually comes across like funnier sometimes. So, like, yeah, there is a lot of power in being able to edit, isn't there?
SPEAKER_01: 31:41
Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_00: 31:42
Yeah, it's definitely not therapy.
SPEAKER_01: 31:45
What is your kind of the the reason that you got into social media in the first place?
SPEAKER_02: 31:53
Do you know? I thought when obviously I went on there in lockdown like everybody else, but I wasn't actually like producing anything. Yeah, and then I saw people start doing comedy, and I thought, oh that I love that. I love that they're doing that, but I'm funnier, so now it's my turn. But then actually, tell you what blew me out of the water is that actually I didn't realise how many funny people are out there just living their normal lives, like like it's it's Italian back, I think that's how you say his name. Yes, like hilarious, and like these are just like people that just have like these really like normal jobs, and they're just like they should be on TV. So, yeah, do you know what? Like, I was actually blown away by how many brilliant people are on there, but that's that's really what got me in there. I w I went to have like a little slice of that. Like, I thought it was just excellent, like making people laugh, and then I saw people getting all these opportunities, and I thought, well, I'd love to have a go. Like, you know, you never know, especially from females, because I don't think there's that many female comedians, really, like that smash it. So I went to no, I wanted to have them have a bit of a go. So that was it, really. That's why that happened.
SPEAKER_01: 33:02
What do you like family think? Like, obviously, your partner Ryan, are they quite support? Have you got quite a good support network around you?
SPEAKER_02: 33:10
Yeah, I think Ryan like loves it, like he he is quite proud. When people say hello to me, he thinks it's such like a proud moment. My dad has only just started watching my videos because he was like, I can't watch them, Clay. You swear too much. I was like, Well, I'm in my 30s, Dad. I'm allowed.
SPEAKER_01: 33:28
Yeah, I can swear now, yeah.
SPEAKER_02: 33:30
Yeah, but yeah, he was like, Oh no, I can't watch him. But he's only just started watching them now, and he's like, Yeah, no, you know, you're really funny. I can see why you've got as many followers as you do, you make me proud, stuff like that. So that was nice.
SPEAKER_01: 33:42
That's nice. That is nice, yeah.
SPEAKER_02: 33:45
Everyone's pretty supportive, apart from really, I'd say my sister, she's supportive, but she just wants freebies, so she'll just text me all the time and be like, Oh, can you get me like free tickets to this? Or you know, can you get me these these this free coat from TikTok shop? I'm like, no. I mean, I could, but I'm not gonna.
SPEAKER_01: 34:05
It's not what you know, it's who you know, and she's but absolutely gonna try and milk that.
SPEAKER_02: 34:11
Exactly. It's all I that's all I ever get.
SPEAKER_01: 34:14
What do you what do you think of going to like because our paths have never really crossed, but uh I mean you're obviously in a different part of the country, which I actually didn't know until fairly recently. I actually just still thought you were in Kent until I saw it.
SPEAKER_02: 34:26
Most people do, yeah.
SPEAKER_01: 34:27
I think I only saw you do I think you was on a live video the other. It would have been maybe even a year ago now. But yeah, and you was like, oh yeah, I'm up in Nor is it Norfolk, did you say? I was like, I thought I genuinely thought you was. I thought you was Kent, like I thought you was Kent, but obviously that's because you're Chloe Kent from Kent. I just assumed like probably the rest of the world do.
SPEAKER_04: 34:46
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01: 34:46
But what how do you how do you deal with so in in social media we we get invited to events, a lot of PR stuff, and you gotta go and show your face and do this. What do you think of that side of it?
SPEAKER_02: 34:57
I hate it. I I've actually had two really shitty experiences now, so I hate it. I do know I think initially it there was some excitement, but I was really nervous. Again, I feel like you've got to put mask on where you're like the best version of who you are online, and you've got to go in there, make everybody like wet themselves, and you've got to be like the star, and like I had that, but what what I was experiencing more was that it was the way other people behaved. I or I don't know, I've just been in two different events where other people around me who were just like me, they've come up through like social media, were just behaving either like a complete arsehole or just a bit too entitled, and it just made me cringe, and then I felt bad. Like, God, do people think I'm gonna behave like that? And oh, I don't know, I just found the whole thing pretty awkward. But fair play, some people go and it looks brilliant, and they have so much fun, but yeah, I've always found it a bit awkward.
SPEAKER_01: 35:58
Yeah. No, but I'm the same, to be fair. I'm the same. I I've I've had a few I've had a few probably quite awkward experiences. I I I there was one, I've probably got to be a little bit careful about what I say, but there was there was one that sticks out to me, and I remember I wasn't wasn't really in like the best place. And like you say, you have to be the best version of yourself turning up to these because these people are expecting Dan Lawrence from the internet or whatever. And it was this, it was this gig, and everyone was oh, I don't want to say like flamboyant. I could probably say the word flamboyant because that's what everyone was drunk, everyone was quite flamboyant there, and then they were doing this like interview section, and I was just I couldn't do it because everyone was so like talking about talking about like musical theatre and all of this sort of stuff, and I know nothing about it, and I know if I'd have stood there and had an interview and they would have asking me about I would have just embarrassed myself and I just couldn't I just couldn't do it. But it was so like yeah, people acting a little bit like entitled and a little bit and there's nothing I think you have to have a little bit about you to be in social media in a way, you've got to kind of be out there a little a little bit, a little bit, but I don't know, I just find that there's there's a lot of people that perhaps don't have a huge following, not that that necessarily matters, because I think there's people with hardly any followers that still get millions of views, but people that turn up and just act like they own the place when actually you could just all be humble, you could all be humble about it and all be nice, we're all there for the same reason.
SPEAKER_02: 37:35
And a lot of these events are for like networking, whereas I'm terrible at that because I just hang out with the staff. I can't be I feel better with the staff. Like when people walk in and I see them, they're making a beeline for the people with the most followers. I always see it. You the ones with like five, ten million followers, people will congregate to them and try and be their bestie. I can't be used. I I just hang out with the guy that's pouring me free vodkers. Me and him are gonna be mates, I can just tell. I prefer that, I'm comfortable there.
SPEAKER_01: 38:05
That's your that's your comfort zone, is it?
SPEAKER_02: 38:08
Yeah, I just fill up with the stuff. I'm I got invited to Girls Aloud with Matalan. I still talk to all the people that work for Mataland quite regularly. We're friends.
SPEAKER_01: 38:17
You can't go with the Matalan group chat.
SPEAKER_02: 38:19
I don't literally, I ignored all the people that were there, that like some of the big names. I didn't get any selfies, I was just hanging out with the Matalan crew, and I love it.
SPEAKER_01: 38:28
I I just I find I always spend because I'm not very like, I watch a few people on online. I'm not really like a consumer, so there's a few people that I used to watch and I've still watched are like I'll still watch Stuggy, Aaron Craskell, Dapper Laughs, I could watch your stuff, Four Brothers. I could probably name about 10 that I watch, and that's pretty much it. So when I go to these events and I've and I'm with you normally, if I go with other people, they're like, oh my god, that's that person, oh my god, that's that person. I'm like, I don't how I have no idea who they are. I don't know who any of them are. And I just feel like I don't fit in in I don't feel fit in in that world.
SPEAKER_02: 39:04
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01: 39:05
But that's because I feel like I'm a 41-year-old man still making silly videos on the internet, and that's why I don't feel like I feel like imposter syndrome.
SPEAKER_02: 39:13
And it is hard to kind of find what category you fall in because when I look around me, I'm seeing 20-year-olds going to events and are going on piss-up holidays of 18 to 30s and working with jet too. Obviously, I'm not gonna be doing any of those things. I'm over the age of 30. I have children like who come first. I'm not gonna be jet sitting on my own anywhere. So sometimes I watch them all and I think, where the hell do I fit in being 36? You know, like, but I just think you know, if you feel like you haven't got a category, make one for yourself. Do you know what I mean? That's kind of what I think now.
SPEAKER_01: 39:48
That's quite inspirational. I also really is I also think I I I I well I overthink everything so everything, even when I'm block anything I'm gonna post, I overthink. So, but I had this this real and it hasn't changed my life in any way. I had a realisation, but it has not changed. I've not I've not enforced this within my own life. But I was at a I was at a thought park thing and there was just but it was basically creators and I saw this girl. This girl had set her camera up and she was doing this big like TikTok dance and there was maybe a hundred people and she she didn't care. She was just doing this TikTok dance, and we were all looked, we all looked and was like, oh that girl's doing a TikTok dance, like look. And then we just all carried on with our day, and within three seconds you've forgotten. It just made me realise that actually no one cares, do they? That you could do anything, you could be doing a big dance, song and dance in the street. People will look for two or three seconds and they'll be like, I'll just carry on my life now.
SPEAKER_02: 40:44
Yeah, yeah. Unless you fall over and then everyone's looking.
SPEAKER_01: 40:47
Well then you've got a great then you've got a great meme, obviously. But yeah, it's yeah, I think it's just one of those. I should it it it I thought it when I sort of thought about it, I thought, oh maybe maybe I could do more out there stuff, maybe I could do more stuff in public because people really don't care. But then I sort of went out filming uh on a day with my mate and I was like, I was just terrified of the whole day. I just had like full on anxiety the whole day.
SPEAKER_02: 41:14
Yeah, I think some because sometimes you feel like you're like an annoyance, you know, like trying to film with your phone everywhere, and yeah, I get that.
SPEAKER_01: 41:22
Because also like everyone seems to be doing that now, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02: 41:27
Well, I actually think I actually think TikTok has really moved into like the day in the life stuff. I think people really like it because it's like reality TV, isn't it? But without having the whole reality TV show, like people are just doing it themselves. And I think when you follow somebody and you really like them, you you do watch them, you you want to see what they've been up to all day and and all evening, and I and I think they do it so well, but I can't be asked to keep setting up the camera in 20 different angles so you can see me butter my toes. You know, I can't be asked for all that, so I'm terrible, but people smash it, and and there's a big audience for that now, isn't there?
SPEAKER_01: 42:03
There's massive, well, but there's there's I mean, yeah, they do, and there's an audience, it seems, for anything other than what I post. That's what I feel like at the moment. I see these videos, and it's like there's this there, there'll be some music, and there'll be a girl, and it will be literally not even 10 seconds long, and she'll like look at the camera, and it'll be this. It'll be literally like she'll move her shoulder, and I'll be like, How's that got 10 million? How's that got 10 million views? No, like what are you doing? You're doing nothing in that video. You've given you're bringing nothing to the entertainment world, but you've just uh done a little shoulder move or a little tug, you stuck your tongue out for one second.
SPEAKER_02: 42:36
Yeah, and something else I find, which I'm which is why I actually don't post as much as I could, is because I'm on my own, I can't play all the characters. If I have an idea in my head of something that I really want to act out, I can't play all the characters. There's no there's no one to bounce off of, so it's just me. So sometimes, like, I don't know, I would love to be able to write something with like multiple people and like actually film it. And yeah, it's it can be quite hard on your own because otherwise, when you're on when you're on your own, it is very much like stand-up material, isn't it? You've got to be funny just off that on your own. Whereas like if you're with other people, you can like write things and like the jokes can come off better and you bounce off each other. And do you know what I mean? There's so much to it.
SPEAKER_01: 43:18
But I do, but I I think you're you're probably maybe you've not even given yourself enough credit. Because when you do do that, like I don't know if it was multiple characters, but you did the one where you was in like the fit, it was like an American, like a tornado. It was so silly, like it was so silly, but I must have watched it 20 times. I was like, this is just this is genius, it's so good. And I I don't I just think that you are brilliant at that, you are brilliant at the story, and even if the the like I don't know what it is, it's not necessarily about the end, the ending, it's about like you just have this way of because you because you can see in your face that you think it's funny as you're doing it, and that just for people watching is like I just think that's hilarious because you because you know it's funny, you're doing it, and it's like yeah, I think that's brilliant. I think you're really, really good at what you do. I think you're brilliant on what you do.
SPEAKER_02: 44:10
But wouldn't you love that in real life? Wouldn't you love a cheeky little tornado in the UK? Like, what a laugh.
SPEAKER_01: 44:15
Well, yeah, I mean, but listen, it depends on we're not equipped for it though, are we? Like, we have a bit of snow and everyone's falling in sick. Like, do you know what a tornado would do?
SPEAKER_02: 44:24
Well, we've got bricks in England, in America, they just keep making houses out of wood. Like, come on.
SPEAKER_01: 44:30
Yeah, it does seem a bit silly, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_02: 44:32
Well, especially when there's been that story, that piece of literature now for years. You know, the three little pigs where the wolf comes along and he blows the house down of straw, he does the same with the woods, like, come on, people, the answer's there.
SPEAKER_01: 44:44
But it hasn't made it to America, that's the problem.
SPEAKER_02: 44:47
Obviously, it hasn't. They obviously haven't heard of it at all.
SPEAKER_01: 44:49
I reckon if you rewrote it and just change it not pigs and change it to to rebrand it and then sell it in America.
SPEAKER_02: 44:57
I reckon you'd be I've just had this massive idea. Me and you will go to Kansas, like Tornado Alley, right, and we'll go to like their churches and we'll just tell them the story about the three little pigs, and that way we'll we'll encourage them to build their houses out of bricks, problem solved.
SPEAKER_01: 45:16
Problem solved. I mean, I'm up for it. Would we would there be like a role play involved?
SPEAKER_02: 45:22
We could do, like you we could like you could be a tornado, love something, do you know what I mean and spin rounds?
SPEAKER_01: 45:27
We could have different, like I could come out as a pig. Yeah, because there's three different pigs, there's three characters straight away. I reckon it would blow their twiny minds.
SPEAKER_02: 45:36
Yeah, and it could be like what's that like interactive theatre? We could just randomly like make people join in and it would be like improv, like you, Sandra, the tornadoes come, all your kids are dead. Now what are you gonna do? Do you know what I mean? And see what she says. Maybe that's a bit hard. We can work on it on the way.
SPEAKER_01: 45:55
Oh, you fucking throw me there. You throw me there. Yeah, I should have expected it from you, but well, well done. Your kids are dead. What Sandra? Sandra, your kids are dead. What are you gonna do?
SPEAKER_02: 46:05
Literally, all because there's tornado and you've got wood love. Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01: 46:09
It's your own fault, Sandra. Do you know what I mean? You should have just brought some bricks.
SPEAKER_02: 46:13
Honestly. But wood in 2025, it's embarrassing, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01: 46:17
But don't isn't there a reason though for it? Like a an actual scientific reason, other than the fact they've not seen that thing. Isn't it because isn't it because oh it just seems silly. I don't I can't really think. I'm sure I saw something on it once, and it's to do with like because it could just all go in an instant, so you can then rebuild it quicker. It's easier to build with wood than it is.
SPEAKER_02: 46:39
Or maybe they just all have a little house insurance claim.
SPEAKER_01: 46:42
Maybe that's it. Because they all their houses are always look new.
SPEAKER_02: 46:46
Yeah. Yeah, because you know, you could be like, oh yeah, it blew away my 60-inch TV and my speed boat. Like, who's gonna know?
SPEAKER_01: 46:54
Oh, where's the Ferrari gone? There was definitely one in there. What a tornado blew it away, definitely.
SPEAKER_02: 47:00
Exactly. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01: 47:02
There's only a couple of tiles missing, it wasn't even that bad. Definitely a Ferrari in there, mate. So you're calling me a liar?
SPEAKER_02: 47:08
100%. 100% madness.
SPEAKER_01: 47:14
So what sort of your do you have like a five-year goal? Like, obviously, social media is like social media, I think, is a very, very difficult world, and it's I find it's always a struggle to keep on top of like what the trends are, which I've never ever been on top of any of the trends. But do you have like a five like where do you see yourself in five years?
SPEAKER_02: 47:36
Well, obviously, going back what we said earlier, my five-year plan ultimately is to not die for my children's sake, and that so that is that's up there. That's up. That's number one.
SPEAKER_01: 47:46
I'll write that down. Not die.
SPEAKER_02: 47:48
Yeah, because I had high blood pressure the other day, which I don't know if it was stress or what, but it's just like I feel like I'm in front of destination, all the elements are coming at me. So you might not see it, but I'm like fighting to keep my place here every day. So that I've got that going on.
SPEAKER_03: 48:03
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02: 48:04
And you know what, Dale? I know it sounds I just want to be happy. Like, I think you have to be happy as well to make good content, otherwise, you've got nothing. You can't make content being sad, and that's been your problem for 18 months. I keep telling you.
SPEAKER_01: 48:18
I know, look at the but genuinely, if you didn't say it, I was gonna say it. Like, I really struggle because I sit because I I see myself and I put and I like even when I think this is funny, this is funny, this is gonna be the change, and I'll watch it back and I'll be like, that's so shit. Like what? And it's because my mindset.
SPEAKER_02: 48:35
Yeah, you could have the funniest script in the world, but if you're not in a great mental place, you're not gonna deliver it well. It's just not gonna, it's not gonna be, is it?
SPEAKER_01: 48:43
It's the believer, I'll tell you what it is, like without without well, it doesn't matter if you know I I get a bit deep on this, but it's it's it's kind of like I had this not even support network, but what it was, right? I had I had people that believed in me. So like I had my nan and granddad were alive, and they didn't even know what they barely knew what a TV was, let alone what social media or a mobile phone was, but they believed in me. Whatever I did, they believed in me. And obviously then my ex, and she and she and I'd sort of lost quite a lot before she came along in terms of because I had quite a big social media following, and my page got hacked. I had like well not compared to you, but I had like 270,000 on Facebook, and my page got hacked, and it was and and I had like no support from Facebook, they were like, Well, contact the page administrator. I'm like, Well, that's me, but it's been hacked and it's been taken. I'm not gonna email the hacker and be like, Oh, please, Mr. Hacker, can I page back? Like, it doesn't it's just so they did nothing. So I locked and and it wasn't even owning me any money, but for me, like mental health-wise, that was my little outlet where I was making these little videos and I was making you know, I was making people laugh. Like you say, it's quite addictive, and I was get get and that was when I was doing it just for entertainment because there was no money involved, and then it all got taken and and and I kind of lost it, and then I met my ex and I sort of started to get back into social media, and I just I had this person that believed in me, like whatever I did, and then that gave me I was like, oh, maybe I should believe in myself a little bit more, and then that's where my confidence sort of came back, and then I was making these videos, and then and then I guess losing that I lost the belief in myself again, like yeah, so then it was really difficult to kind of make content, and I felt like I didn't want to lose I felt like I'd lost so many things all at once that I didn't want to lose another thing. Yeah, and because I'd built I'd worked so hard in social media, I'm not I'm not gonna give I'm not gonna give that up. I'm not gonna lose that because that's my that's my that's my baby, and that's the only thing I've got left from from that social media from that side of my life. I'm like, I just want to I just want to keep that. But I probably should have like I probably should have walked away for six months or a year and just gone and got a job and then and then come back to it when I was ready. But I think I was just so like stubborn about stick like holding on to it.
SPEAKER_02: 51:09
Yeah, and I think you've obviously put a lot of pressure on yourself over these these last years to keep it going. But you've got to think like your grandparents are dead, yeah? Yeah, so they won't see you fail.
SPEAKER_01: 51:22
Well, that's true. I've not actually looked at it like that.
SPEAKER_02: 51:24
Yeah, so even if you fail, it's not like they're up there slagging you off, they don't know.
SPEAKER_01: 51:28
They might be you haven't, my granddad.
SPEAKER_02: 51:30
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01: 51:32
No, I'm only joking. He was lovely, my granddad was lovely. But yeah, you are right, you are 100% right.
SPEAKER_02: 51:39
I am that's a positive thing. And you just gotta you gotta think down what would the three little pigs do.
SPEAKER_01: 51:45
Well, it depends where I'm living.
SPEAKER_02: 51:48
This is true. Build yourself a sustainable house made of bricks and read between the lines and what that means, and there you go.
SPEAKER_01: 51:57
Love that, love that. Well, uh, I really, really appreciate you coming and talking to me on the podcast, Chloe. It's been like it's weird because obviously we're both on social media, but we've never actually like we've messaged a few times, and I've I always watch your content and I always will carry on watching your content. I think you are brilliant, and anyone, anyone that's listening, you know, clo go to Instagram, Chloe Kent from Kent, and you won't be disappointed unless you're miserable and don't like laughing.
SPEAKER_02: 52:25
Or also crowdfund so me and Dan can go to Kansas. That'll be awesome.
SPEAKER_01: 52:30
Let's start GoFundMe to so we can go and steal someone else's nursery rhyme to help though, it is to help.
SPEAKER_02: 52:39
Yeah, ultimately.
SPEAKER_01: 52:41
So saving lives, saving lives, and all you've got to do is donate one pound each, every one of you every month for the rest of your life.
SPEAKER_02: 52:50
A bit more because I'd like first class if we're gonna go the way to Canada.
SPEAKER_01: 52:53
Oh, okay, alright, so ten pounds each for the rest of every month for the rest of your lives. But what's better though, to just do it to a charity? Okay, this might I might not even be able to say this, but you know when you're a kid and it was like I should probably ask you a question first. Can I ask how your mum how your mum passed?
SPEAKER_02: 53:13
I pushed her down the stairs.
SPEAKER_01: 53:14
Brilliant, that is what I thought it was. So when I was a kid, it was like what you're like, oh one in four people died from cancer, give us your money. And now it's like one in two people. Where the fuck are you doing with the money? What do you do with that money then? Because it used to be one in four, now it's one in two. That's terrifying.
SPEAKER_02: 53:32
I think that I think they're lessening it to freak us out, maybe.
SPEAKER_01: 53:35
Yeah, but where can they go? One every like the next step is you've got cancer, give us your money. Put us in your wheel because you've got cancer.
SPEAKER_02: 53:43
Yeah, because what yeah, one out of two seems a lot. Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01: 53:47
I might have got the stat wrong. I don't, you know, it's but it's got to be there or thereabouts.
SPEAKER_02: 53:53
It's a bit deep. I hate the way they start with that. It's really depressing it. Did you know one and two people have cancer? Like, just start with, like, I don't know, a song, maybe. Like, ease me in. It's a bit much on a Friday.
SPEAKER_01: 54:05
It is. I think they're doing it to try and get the it's it's that it's that shock value, isn't it? And they're like, oh god, I should give them money because that's a shocking stat. But the only thing I hear is you're you're there's more people now that have got it than they did, and we've you've been banging on about this for like 30 years for as long as I can remember. And you're not and what you're not doing anything with it because you're not getting better at solving the riddle of cancer.
SPEAKER_02: 54:31
And that's what it is, essentially a riddle.
SPEAKER_01: 54:34
Yeah, well it is, yeah, but yeah, Chloe, thank you so much, honestly, for coming on the podcast. I really appreciate it.
SPEAKER_02: 54:43
You're very welcome. Thanks for having me on.
SPEAKER_01: 54:45
No worries, and I will catch up. Oh no, I've lost my mic. We're good. I got a bit overexcited. Then right, yeah. Honestly, thanks for coming on. It's really nice to like properly properly talk to you and have a conversation.
SPEAKER_02: 54:55
So yeah, it's been a laugh.
SPEAKER_01: 54:57
I really appreciate it. Thank you, Chloe. Cheers, take care, bye.