Marti and Jonathan talk about the amazing powers of the novelist, the talents of the excellent non-fiction author, and book recommendations, as well as audio books vs "book-books".

Marti and Jonathan are joined by Sadie and Jude, two of Marti's grandchildren and Jonathan's kids, to talk about what books we recommend and to whom, the problems with NY Football, and some book recommendations for the holiday season.

Getting older, football, unreliability of memories, Mona's Eyes, Competence Porn and more!

Marti and Jonathan talk about being "grumpy", being New Yorkers, the problems with cocktails today, and most importantly, reading and books.