Ep. 12 - Digital Danger: Suicide in Online Spaces With Lynn Hearst

A mother’s grief can illuminate what the internet tries to hide. We sit down with Lynn Hearst to trace how her 31-year-old son, Miles, was pulled into a suicide forum that looked like support but acted like a funnel toward harm. From a wiped computer to recovered logs, Lynn and her daughter uncovered a pattern: warm welcomes, private DMs, and an ideology that isolates people from family and professionals while promoting lethal means. Along the way, we unpack a global case that exposed commercial facilitation and the chilling scale of cross-border packages linked to deaths.

We go beyond headlines to map the mechanics of manipulation. You’ll hear how “crisis brains cannot consent,” why algorithmic recommendations heighten risk, and how communities that feel empathetic can normalize despair. We talk about Section 230 and why forums still operate, the momentum in the UK on online safety, and the policy standstill that leaves families without answers. Most importantly, we share a protection playbook for real life: the 24-hour delay rule during emotional storms, keeping real humans involved, watching for secrecy and sudden hopelessness, and creating “no decision alone” rules for elders. For teens and young adults, we offer language for direct, stigma-free questions about suicide and steps for digital safety talks that actually land.

Hope threads through this conversation. Jessica reflects on using neuroplasticity to rebuild from crisis, and we outline practical habits that rewire toward life: steady sleep, movement, reframing, and a personal safety plan with names to call. Predators isolate and rush; we connect and slow down. 

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Transcript

Mission And Safety Disclaimer

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Hi, I'm Jessica G, and this is the Justin Time Podcast. If you're struggling today, I want you to know this podcast is here for you, but it's not a substitute for professional health. If you're in a crisis or feeling safe, please call or text 988 or dial911 for immediate support. There are people out there who will listen and can help. On this show, I'll be sharing personal experiences, mindset shifts, talking with key experts, and sharing real tools that help me go from barely surviving to thriving. This is not about quick fixes or one size fits all advice. It's raw, it's honest, it's what worked for me and what I believe can help others too. Let's walk together from darkness to hope. Really to just create awareness because there is such a threat out there and there are so many dangers online. I mean, we live in a world where everything is online now. Our conversations, our support systems, our friendships, our entertainment, even our coping mechanisms are all digital. And while the online world connects us in credible ways, it also opens up doors that can be dangerous. That's why we're naming this episode, How Crisis Meets Exploitation. Today, I have the honor to speak with a mother who lost her son to a situation that had happened online. Lynn Hurst, we are so happy to have you. Thank you for being vulnerable, having the courage to come on the show and talk about your loss with others so that other people don't fall into the same trap. And ultimately that is why we're here today. So thank you so much. Thank you. I'm so grateful to be here. Yes. So I actually met Lynn in the salon, and it's kind of weird how people come to you and we don't always talk about these things because they're really heavy, and suicide can be very dark, and a lot of people will run away from it all while we're trying to break the stigma. That still just is the case. Um but we were like opening up to each other, like in such a nonchalant way, too. Um, because we both have such a respect for like kind of what happened and people's situations and um have um a bigger understanding of how that can impact somebody, especially in you know the workplace too, talking about it. So it was a very gentle approach, but we connected and I was like, I have to bring you on the show, your story. First of all, you guys, it's going to blow your mind. Oh, I mean, it blew my mind away that there are people out there online that help assist and manipulate people in crisis, and that's exactly what happened to Miles, uh, her son. That is correct. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

So your son, he was 31 years old. He was 31, very gifted guitar player, um, very kind individual, very caring. And uh yes, he was 31 during the pandemic. That was a difficult time.

The Discovery Of A Suicide Forum

SPEAKER_00 3:27

So right, lots of isolation. Yes. Yes. Um, do you mind sharing a little bit about how this kind of happened? Um, I would like to ask you the signs that you saw before. Um, I know that you mentioned that he was also a lost survivor. He had lost two people um within five or so years apart. And that really affected him. Um, and again, you know, for every one suicide, there's 25 other attempts that are made. And that's why, you know, we really do need to put a stop to this and break the stigma. Um, because for one suicide, 25 other attempts. And sometimes you know about them and sometimes you don't. And, you know, I myself, like I said, I lost my dad and my brother. Um, I had an attempt afterwards, my brother also did, and multiple other people in his fraternity. So, um, anyways, so he he not only lost someone, but you knew he was struggling a little bit with that because he had opened up. And then could you tell me a little bit more how he found this absolutely horrible website? Sure.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

So, to preface that, yeah. Um, I had a call from a detective um to tell me that my son had passed. And so all the family congregated around to, you know, do the things that you have to after that, which is difficult. Um, but we did not agree with the detective. We figured that there was something else to the story that and I won't go into it, but my daughter and I, my daughter being a very uh good techie because she's got a degree in security and intelligence, right? Um, there was something about his his death that just didn't sit right with us.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Yeah.

Manipulation, Algorithms, And Impaired Consent

SPEAKER_01 5:22

So she uh got onto his computer and it had been wiped clean. There was nothing there, there was nothing with his phone. And in Kansas City, that was a market that um Google had the test market, so you had internet and phone free up there. It was a Google Fiber. So um it was scrapped. So her, what she did was she mirrored the systems and she was able to bring back, or I don't know how what hours she did. Yeah, but she brought it back and and found that at the time of his death, he was online in a forum that um promoted suicide. Correct. Yeah, and so that was very shocking to us, and so we contacted the detective, and uh he had thought that Miles had passed from an overdose because the autopsies always take a little bit long time. So we really combed through his internet, his all of his activity, his phone calls, his chats, and found the activity on the suicide forum. Um but going back to the time when I couldn't get to the exact date when he became a member, right? Because Google's history just stopped right before then. But at the time, it was in October of 2020, he had reached out to an online therapist to engage. And I could tell in his message to her, he was struggling, he had end-of-life life thoughts, he had um problems with alcohol. And so she responded back that she was on um vacation in Hawaii and could he take fill out this intake form? And um it would be X amount of dollars. Right. So I knew in the the response he gave exactly what he was saying. He told her that he would look at her at his budget and uh see if he could fit it in. Well, it wasn't even two days later, and he was up on the forum and he was being welcomed in. And uh from there, uh there were because we had access to his email, yeah, there were private messages coming to him that started to manipulate him. And then from that point in October 2020, there were times when he wasn't doing very well mentally. I could tell that.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

And just I'm gonna dive right back into this, but for for the listeners right now, when you're online, you're exposed to strangers with unknown motives. Okay, and we're gonna get a little bit more into this. This predator is now in jail in Canada. Um, and I believe there was what 99 lives that were taken.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Um so the predator in Canada, very high profile case up there. Yes. Um, he uh had nothing to do with my son. He was another member on the site who was manipulating people to his marketplace website where he would sell people products.

Free Speech, CDA 230, And Harm

SPEAKER_00 8:46

And algorithms can push you into Docker content without you even realizing it. Um, communities that seem supportive on the surface, but actually reinforce fear, hopelessness, or confusion that will aid in um suicide attempts and and in lethal means. Um, this becomes especially dangerous when somebody is already in crisis because we all know that uh neurologically we are impaired. When we are in a crisis, our brains are not, you cannot make a conscious decision. And there's one quote in here that really um stuck out to me. Crisis brains cannot consent. So this is super heavy because, and it's very scary, especially for parents. I mean, your son was 31, and that just goes to show that like even an adult can be manipulated. And, you know, we could get into elderly. Um, you know, that's where elderly fraud comes in. You can tie all this into this exploitation. And so there's people out there, predators, that actually prey on people that are weak. And um, I actually went in and I took a look, and I couldn't believe that this website is still up, but I believe it's because of freedom of speech. But I think exploitation should be illegal in this way because these people are manipulating the minds of someone that is going through a mental health crisis.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

That's correct. And along with freedom of speech, when you're talking online from the beginning of the internet history, you have CDA 230, which is the Communications Decency Act. And it gives third-party immunity to those places who house that. So this forum is on a server or you know, web service. Um, so there's immunity all around right there, and that's how they get around it.

Global Predator Case And Documentary

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Yeah. And when crisis meets exploitation, that is when it becomes extremely, extremely dangerous. Um, there you we could go down a whole rabbit hole, and there's just so many different layers to Lynn's story. Um, I believe you have a documentary coming out soon that you were a part of that explains all of this because there's so many other families um that have been affected by this. Um, I didn't get to go through my brother's uh history. And I know he was a gamer, I know he was online all the time, so I'll never know. And a lot of people will never know. I mean, you got your computer back and it was wiped. Well, had it not been for your daughter, that's correct. Like you would have never known. This would have just been gone completely undercover. That's correct. So whether it's a person in suicidal crisis, an elderly, an elderly being scammed financially, a young or a young person being groomed in private chat rooms, the internet creates opportunities for predators to reach to vulnerable people in moments where their thinking is impaired. And I think that's just one of like the most disgusting things I can possibly think of. You know, I know most of this stuff happens online. Um, I do know that in toxic relationships, some people have said very awful things um to people that are struggling, like, well, maybe you should just do it anyways, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I know that there have been attempts that way, and that's also exploitation. Um, I we're here today not to relive this pain, but to help protect others. That is the whole point why me and Lynn are here today, because we just, I had no idea. And I'll never, I'll never have an idea because I never got my brother's phone, I never got his laptop, you know, um what actually happened. But I know that this person is awaiting trial and we just want to bring awareness to the dangers that are out there. Um and also just how suicide can affect other people. I mean, the site is telling people exactly how and how much, and you know I think this this predator that is now in jail sent out a certain poison.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

Yeah, so the the gentleman with the high profile case in Canada, Canada, he is awaiting 14 counts of first degree murder. Yeah, those were increased all the way back from uh aiding and abetting suicide to second degree to first degree. Yeah. And so one of the reasons why we know that it was first degree and why I was part of the documentary that is out. And by the way, the documentary is about James Beale, who is a Times of London uh deputy investigative journalist who helped another family member who's become a friend of mine, David Parfitt, over in England. Um, if it weren't for David and James to really push and figure out who this man was, yes, then he could still be out there. Yes, and so he's in he's in jail awaiting his trial in the spring of 2026, but he sent out over 1,200 packages to over 40 countries globally. So in Canada, it's 14 counts. We have some in the United States, but it's upwards to 130 in the United Kingdom.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

That's devastating. And then when you go back to how many a um suicide impacts how many lives.

Ideology, Isolation, And False “Support”

SPEAKER_00 14:39

Exactly. It's just perpetuating, and this is this is just extremely dangerous to manipulate minds. I mean, I can't imagine when I was in crisis, if I came upon a site like this, you know, that helps give you the courage to actually go through with it. I mean, that's that's completely awful because it's like you're not you never want to make a permanent decision on a temporary feeling, you know. The it's just temporary, but if you are being groomed by this ideology, and and that's really what it comes back down to. I think we were doing some research on it, and it was had something to do with his mother that was in pain, and he helped assisted her, and then just got this bright idea that he was like and the delusional to think that they're helping all these people that are in pain, but that's not the way out. Suicide is not the way out. Um, I was thinking about this the other day, and I was like, you look, chances are you might have to reincarnate and come back and do it all over again anyway. So you might as well try to get it right in this life, anyways. And and if you think about the lives that you're going to impact and try to harness neuroplasticity in moments that you're not in a crisis, because we all know you cannot reprogram your brain when you're in a crisis. But during those moments where you're not in a crisis, try to harness neuroplasticity and create new neuropathways in your brain that will help you believe truths rather than lies. You know, I think one of the biggest lies that suicidal people tell themselves is, oh, everyone's gonna just be better off without me. And it's not that people want to end their lives, it's just they want to end the pain. The pain, that's correct. And the thing is, is that when you have a predator out there that's saying, Let me help you end your pain, let me help you end your pain, it's just awful.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

I mean well, and and that's how that site works. We don't know the people that are up there because they they're members. Yeah. But you have the the sole purpose of that site is to get the members to push the ideology. So when someone who is vulnerable out there, such as my son, and some of them have been minors, yeah, um, they're telling them it's your parents' fault for having you in the first place. Yeah, it's um the mental health profession, it's horrible. Don't listen to them. And they isolate you that way, and they just send you on an avenue of there's just no other option.

A Protection Guide For Families

SPEAKER_00 17:10

And when you're in a crisis, like you want, you probably like I could just I'm trying to imagine myself in a crisis and leaning on one of these sites. It's like you're probably like, oh, somebody's listening to me, oh, they get it, or they or they feel what I feel because you're believing all these lies. And the thing with manipulation is like you can touch on little bits of truth, right? It's like for me, I went to, you know, the doctor, I went to the psychiatrist, I went to counseling, I went to all these different things. And all while those were probably coping mechanisms and helped me get to the point of, you know, Dr. Joe Dispend's work and harnessing neuroplasticity and being able to fly to Germany and going through a huge workshop, um, which by the way was not geared towards suicide. Um, that's kind of why I opened up the Prophet. It's about um reprogramming your brain because you're already wired when you're in depression or you're in suicidal um thoughts, you're already your brain is already wired to be that way. So ultimately you have to rewire the brain. And that takes time and effort and discipline and consistency. And it's not easy, you know, but nobody nobody tells you that. And there's multiple times that I, you know, wanted to give up, and I'm so quite grateful that I didn't.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Um can we go back to another part of that too? Yeah, absolutely. That site causes addiction because it's shocking they go to it and then they want to see more, and it makes worse and worse.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

And they're seeing how other people are doing it. And I mean, I yeah, personally saw it was like somebody said, I'm going to do it tonight. And there was multiple people, there was like over a hundred comments that were like, I'm so glad you found your way out. So, you know, just promoting it and supporting this act. And they're also mentally ill.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

That's right. And then it's like the blind leading the blind. And I will tell you one thing that's very scary is I had been logging in there to look because I was doing researching, yes, and not doing anything wrong, just up there. Yeah. Um, one of the things I will say at the beginning, I had so much empathy for those people. Oh, yeah. And I I found myself going on there.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

I want to go over um a protection guide, safeguarding adults, elderly children, and young adults. This is just something that I researched that I think um might be helpful for people that are listening. Um, one of the biggest things that stood out to me is the best protection is connection. Crisis and exploitation both thrive in silence. And when You are in a crisis, it's so hard. It's isolating when you're depressed. You don't want to put your burden, you don't want to be a burden to other people. That was one of the biggest things that my brother Justin said. He's like, I don't want to be a burden, you know. Um, the sad thing to me though is that Miles reached out to a counselor, yeah, and I want to slap that counselor because I wanted to be like, why didn't you direct the person to 988 or direct them like immediately to somebody? Don't tell me you're on vacation in Hawaii when that's true. You just told me that you're thinking about ending your life. Like, to me, that's part of some of the issues. And then just reflecting back on money, the first statement should have been more about the safety of that person. And if they couldn't get them connected to a resource in that very moment, or if they couldn't be the resource that can if they couldn't connect with them, they should have got them, that person should have got them, in my opinion, connected to somebody immediately. Even just did 988 exist though? No, 988 did not exist.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

And I will say originally I was mad. I love I wanted to reach out and say something to them, but I didn't. Yeah. Um, because it was a bigger issue. But during the pandemic, but still, our therapists and the mental health profession also were going through the pandemic. So that person going on vacation, we don't know what the backstory was.

Elder Fraud, Youth Grooming, Digital Safety

SPEAKER_00 21:37

She might have needed so I see your you have such a beautiful heart. But like for me, too, there is such a lack of education within counselors and therapists and psychiatrists and this like that with um suicide awareness, suicide education. I I've met lots of therapists that are don't even know that you're not supposed to use the word uh commit suicide, you know, just to say die by. And so I think that I mean, this this is probably across all things. Like in beauty school, they're still teaching from books from like the 1950s, 1960s, and I'm like, what's going on? But I just think that, and I know there was like some uh interviews and some uh statistics and questions asked to doctors, and I said, where do you feel the most, you know, um prepared at? And they were like suicide, suicidal crisis. Um, it's just something that's not widely taught and or focused on um when they're going through schooling or even after for continued education, and it should be, it really should be. So I think it needs to be and maybe she didn't even realize how you know sending that message could impact somebody. But again, it's not putting blame on somebody, um, it's just educating yourself. But I feel like I'm I hold now that I know I'm on the outside and I can see everything afterwards looking back, struggling myself. Um, you know, there's there's certain things, certain landmarks that should benchmarks that should be hit when somebody asks that question, you know. And I think, you know, that's another thing that we can learn from. Um maybe that was a little aggressive, but it's real. It's raw, it's a podcast, and I'm not an expert. Um, okay, let's go forward. Let's see. Okay, so unified protection framework, connection monitoring, delay, access control. No, you're someone's 31, so you had no, you know, awareness of any of this. You didn't find out till this later. But if you have um, well, first of all, we'll go over protecting um children in a second, but let's go over to protecting adults, protecting yourself. Um, and this is including individuals in crisis. Um, teaching the 24-hour delay rule, wait 24 hours before making major decisions during emotional distress. Um the second one is my favorite. Keep real humans involved. Real humans, real humans, not predators that are online that taint you, brainwash you, guide you, assist you, encourage you in a wrong direction when you're mentally impaired. Reach out when spiraling and avoid seeking answers online. Recognize crisis thinking signs, hopelessness, withdrawal, secrecy. Secrecy is a big one. Yes, it is. My brother made his girlfriend swear she wouldn't tell anyone. After it happened, I saw her the day the ambulance showed up. I saw her walk in and I said, Did you know? And she says, Yes, but he he made me promise and I thought he was okay. And it's like, I mean, they're both so young, you know. Of course, I'm not mad at her at all. I love her dearly, and I, you know, hope that she's doing okay. And because, like you said, you know, your son had lost his girlfriend, I think. His girlfriend. Yes, and never kind of recovered from that.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Um, again, that shows that for everyone's suicide, 25 others attempt. So this isn't just about one picture, this is about all of us. And at any given time, any one of us can deal with a mental illness and just remembering that it's okay. It's okay to deal with a mental illness. Everybody does at some point in their life that's normal. So, like normalizing that conversation and keep real humans involved. Let's see, protecting elderly family members from fraud, create a no decision alone rule, no sending money, codes, um, signing anything without speaking to your family. If you're um older, maybe um dealing with dementia, dealing with some memory loss or things like that. Be very aware that there are predators out there that will scam you, not only for your money, but also can scam you on sites like this. Just like this predator's mother was also a victim to her own son aiding in her own suicide, right?

Why The Forum Still Operates

SPEAKER_01 26:21

No, she was she had, I'm not sure really with him. He made up a so he made up a story. He was a member on the site. He had a blog, and he was supposed to be this person that everybody trusted as a pathologist. Well, that was a lie. When he was really, he had this website that he sold the products. Um, but he had talked about his mother, how she couldn't die and went through a terrible medical issue. But the dog had access to euthanasia.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Yeah, I remember reading something about that, and he used her as an example and kind of like framed it as like, this is kind of why I'm doing what I'm doing. It's just very delusional. There was like multiple um delusional things out there, obviously, about this person. Yes. Um let's see here. Remove urgency, hang up immediately on threats, demands, or immediate action. Um, again, this is for the elderly.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

And I would also say that's for the elderly, but it's for their kids as well. Yes. Because they've got Swiss cheese in mine.

Advocacy, Policy, And The Long Game

SPEAKER_00 27:33

That's what my mother went through. So keeping an eye on your grandparents, yes. And just making sure maybe you just do a little monitor, just like you have to do on your children. I mean, there's being children out there being groomed for sex trafficking, and there's so many websites, and there's just a digital danger now that we didn't have a long time ago, you know? Um, there's just so many different avenues and platforms that people can get to you. Um so protecting children, teens, and young adults. Um, it says teach crisis brain science, explain uh adrenaline, tunnel vision, temporary thoughts, direct them to real support, reassure them they don't need the right words to ask for help, um, enforce a no-shame policy. They will not and get they will not get in trouble for telling the truth. Um, if somebody makes you promise or says, promise you won't tell anybody, that's a hard situation to be in, you know? It is. You still need to tell somebody. And that takes courage. Just like it takes courage to ask somebody, hey, are you struggling with suicidal thoughts? And we've debunked this myth that asking the question is not going to put that in their minds or cause them to do that. Um, but being able to ask that, like you just never know. You might be the one person that they reached out to, you know? And I guess that's why it stings so so much to me, because like that's the one person that you know that your son reached out to. And that was kind of like the follow-up. So, like, it's just hard for me to swallow. But again, that's why education, that's why we're here. We're educating, we're creating awareness, that's why we're here. Um, direct them to real support. Let's see, watch for behavioral shifts in your children, teens, young adults, even your friends. Uh, isolation, secrecy, deleting histories, new friend groups, sudden hopelessness. Um, hold digital uh safety talks, discuss dangerous online content and predatory behavior. Um, it's so hard because like your son was 31 and he searched for help and he found this site, and it's just like he was taken advantage, he was a victim to this. And had he not found found that site and met all these people and got sent this poison, he might still be here with us today. And so, like I said, we're not here to relive it, but we're here to help other people um and to you know talk about protecting others, really. Um and hopefully this guy is going to get sentenced and go to prison for the rest of his life.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

So him being uh a member on the site ES's trial again is in spring 2026. But I will say the forum that he was a member on still operates today. Um it's a United States-based forum, and that is where the pain is. It affects all of these other countries, England, Canada, Australia now. They just change where young kids cannot have social media devices. Uh, not a bad idea, but I would say this. Um, I don't think that there's anything wrong with having something on family computer devices that tracks where that that individual is going as a parent. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

You know, we live in a crazy world right now because what we're gonna, you know, conclude in a second, but you put something on Instagram these days, you have a little nip slip, you do something, you get banned. That's right. You say the wrong thing, maybe politically even, you get banned. How in the world? Is it because it's a different platform? How in the world can we banned a nip slip, but we can't ban a website that's encouraging this type of manipulation on mentally ill people that are in a crisis.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

And that's where I say sometimes we have more protections for the people who are doing the harm than we do for the families. Because all along the way, my last four years has been this, and usually it's disregard. Yeah. The tech detectives, FBI, I contacted the FDA. Um, and my daughter and I found many sellers here in the United States, Mexico. She found someone down in Mexico who was selling to the United States. That's illegal. Uh, England. So yeah, it's uh more protection for them than there are for the people that were vulnerable.

Closing Hope, Resources, And CTA

SPEAKER_00 32:37

Yeah. You know, I'm lost for words because sometimes I don't even recognize like the world that we live in when I when I heard about this, you know, I've I've like I've sat with this now for a while and it took me a while to get to it because it's a lot to unpack. If there's anybody out there that's listening, that's struggling, um, if you guys want to comment, share, or reach out to us if you have any, you know, knowledge of this or been experiencing or have gone through um what Lynn has gone through or tied to this in any way, please reach out to us. We do want to make a difference and make a game plan of how we can maybe get access to more state representatives and to try to create a change. So maybe you're an attorney that was affected by suicide or had lost somebody or something. I think that there's power in numbers and that enough of us just need to speak up. Um, because this can't be ignored. Like this cannot just go sweep it under the covers. Like this in my brain, like this site cannot exist anymore, and nor should it.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

No, and I say it takes a community, and that community has gone into the virtual world. That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

I feel like if President Trump like understood all this because he's so old school, he'll be like, delete that right now. Find a way. Somehow, like somebody in authority, somebody with power needs to like come to their senses.

SPEAKER_01 34:20

And England's doing a great job. Yeah. If you see them, you can see that they're doing the a lot of legislation. Yes. In the United States, it kind of took a standstill because we had the change of administration and certain things change. Yeah. But there are legislators out there, such as Lori Tra Trehan from uh Massachusetts. She's been a great advocate. Um, and and different people do what they can, but it it was a long road. I knew it was gonna be uh the long game, it wasn't gonna be the short game, and it's still going on.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

Yeah. I mean, that's kind of how I felt with the nonprofit when I first opened it. I was like, I don't know what I'm doing, but I have a mission in my heart, and I know that there's not enough people out there that are, you know, creating enough change because this is such a heavy topic. Nobody wants to talk about this, right? I mean, I've even thought about rebranding and talking about mental health education. But then I'm like, that I'm kind of like part of the stigma again because the stigma hasn't been broken. But corporations don't even want to talk use the word suicide. But how do I reach more people? You know, how do we get more people involved? You know, I think that America's just gonna have to get a little bit more courage to stand up for what's right and redefine like who we are.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

And can I say one other thing? Yes, please. In this whole um four years, whenever I talk with people, the first obstacle is getting them past that right to die. And then it's getting them to understand the online manipulation. Right. And it's taken this long for people to start saying, Oh, yeah, because we just had the chat GPT young man that died from that.

SPEAKER_00 36:06

Yep. I tested that the other day and it seems like they cut they fixed it. I hope so. Yeah, I did test it. Um well, I just I want to thank you so much for being brave and coming on the show and not giving up and not just letting Miles' story being swept under the rug like so many others, you know. Um, unfortunately, there are people like you that, you know, didn't get to go through the computer and didn't know, you know what I mean? And so that's where the statistic is really flawed. Because even though there's a certain amount of accounted murders that this person, you know, is up against in in trial, there's probably so many more that we don't even know about.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

That's correct. That is up. I hope that they know because hopefully they're looking through his computer and things like that.

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But even in day-to-day and yeah, and there's others. There's others too as well. So again, you guys, please be careful when you are, you know, online and searching, and if you know you're in a crisis, you know, there there are platforms out there that will manipulate you. And when you're in a crisis, you have to be very careful about what you subject your mind to, what you subject your brain to. Uh, our brain is one of the most powerful tools when it comes to recovering from depression and covering from suicide ideation. And I'm a living proof of that. Um, thank you so much. Um, if you guys would like to support Justin Time uh Disable Life, you can go on our website to help uh keep the show going. And until next time. If you're struggling, remember how you think is how you feel. If your feelings feel heavy, start by shifting the thought. You're not stuck, your brain can change, so can your story. I'm Jessica G. This is the Justin Time podcast, and I'll see you next time. Until then, keep going. Never give up. And remember, the world is better with you in it, whether you believe it or not. To help reach others, please share this with your friends, family, and don't forget to like, subscribe, and donate.