Your Body Was Protecting You All Along - Trauma, Your Body and Healing Deeply

If you've ever wondered where the chronic tightness in your shoulders comes from, the mirror you'd rather avoid or the pleasure you can't fully open up to receive - it could be because your body is holding onto something to protect you (like it needed to in the past.) 

The reality is, so much of how you've thought about and experienced your body - is rooted in trauma and adaptive patterns. 

But a conscious, loving relationship with your body in the here and now isn't guided by protective habits alone, it's also resourced in soul alignment, you standing in your power and a nervous system that can hold goodness too. 

In this episode, we'll unpack how trauma impacts your body and what it looks like to heal deeply - in a holistic yoga therapy based method. 

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Transcript

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I often say to clients and friends that it blows my mind when we finally realize that there's a different way to feel, that we can feel better, that we can walk around feeling more light and spacious and unbound, that we can walk around feeling deeply inner resourced and free. That before that moment, like before something clicked and we felt that breakthrough and that awakening and that spaciousness flood into us and become a possibility, before that moment, you didn't know, I didn't know, we didn't know that that kind of freedom was possible, that that kind of lightness and ease and spaciousness was possible. And I'm sure you've had moments already in your journey, probably many moments, where you've had those little breakthroughs and you've seen something shift, or maybe you've had like seismic monumental breakthroughs and you've felt massive weights lift off of you. You've felt your paradigm, the way that you view the perspective, the drishti, the way that you're underseeing and perceiving is changing. And I know you know firsthand the magnificence of that. I'm going through something like that right now in my own personal life around scarcity and like really looking at that and how it's been playing out in my life for a very long time and feeling the emptiness of it leaving. And I think that when it comes to your relationship with your body, we have to understand it through that lens of we know what we know, we're familiar with what we're familiar with. That has become your natural experience of your body. And so sometimes you don't even know that that more is available to you or that more ease is possible on like a conscious mind level, but you know it on a soul level. And I think you wouldn't even be listening to this particular podcast episode if you didn't know that. And so I just want to say hi to that part of you that's like, ooh, I think there's more freedom available to me. I think there's more pleasure and play available to me. And let me get in on an episode like this. So I want you to think back to one of those moments when you have had some sort of an awakening within you where things shifted and you felt better as a result of that awakening or that breakthrough and that shift. And then, oh my goodness, things are different now. And it could be as simple as an experience that you had on your yoga mat or in a yoga class or in meditation where you came in one way, some part of you was activated during that practice, other parts of you could relax, and then you felt your jaw soften, your eyes relax, you felt a spaciousness in your heart center. It may have been a moment when you were working with a therapist and you talked through something that you had never met, uh, shared out loud, and you're like, oh my gosh, oh wow, I no longer feel that same degree of tension in my body. And it could just be like life brought you a wake-up call. And it changed how you saw the world. I'm thinking of my husband having a stroke and the version of him that he was in relationship to his career versus the version of who he is in career now is different, right? And he didn't consciously choose to get the flu and that cause biochemical changes to his body and that led to a freakishly bizarre stroke. He didn't consciously choose that, but life gave him that wake-up call and it became a spiritual awakening for him that has fundamentally changed how he views his work and who he is in his life, right? So there are all these different ways, subtle ways, very dramatic ways, ways that you have broken through and seen things differently. And I want to name how big that actually is, because it literally alters your perception of your lived experience. It changes your lived experience. And so anytime I think about trauma recovery or trauma healing or doing growth and healing work in general and a long-term well-rounded yoga practice, I get really excited. I always say, you may have heard me say it before, that trauma recovery is one of the best gifts you can give to yourself in the world because to me, it is leading you towards that sense of freedom and putting you back in touch with your magnificence and your greatness and allowing it to come through and be expressed. And so I venture to guess that just like me, just like every woman listening to this episode, you're not done. There's still layers to heal. There's still work to be worked on, there's still aspects of you that need tending and care. And you may be really early in that process of getting in there and exploring the hard things that you've been through and letting yourself have a guide or a mentor or a therapist or someone to help you process it. And you may have been doing this work for a medium amount of time or a long time, but there's always layers, no matter who you are. And the reality is that traumatic experiences, and we'll unpack what those are a little bit later, they inform your experience of your body. And it can be in small, subtle ways that we don't always connect. And I think it's easy to see it after you've had some breakthrough and healing and integration in hindsight. So you might have noticed like before that you had a lot of jaw tension all the time. Maybe you were grinding your teeth at night. And then as you processed through something and resolved it and healed your nervous system and got in touch with your whole self through yoga, you no longer have that same issue going on. Or it may be that you tend to hold your breath and then you don't even realize it. And then once you start to form a more cohesive relationship with your body and with the breath practice, you finally feel what it's like to breathe smoothly and steadily. And it could be any number of things. It could be really not allowing yourself to lean fully into pleasure. It could be distancing yourself from intimacy. It could be really focusing on other people and their needs while neglecting your own body. It could be avoiding your yoga practice. It could be digestive issues that have no clinical reason for them to be there, but they linger. It could be a pain source in your body. It could be a pattern of doing too much all of the time and not doing the things that will actually make the biggest difference in your relationship with your body. So it could be tension things, it could be mental health things, it could be avoidance patterns, it could be pain. There's so many different ways that we can be disconnected from our own body as a result of trauma and not know it until we've felt the relief and the contrast. And so today we're gonna get into a little bit more about how trauma informs the way you feel about your body and how actually that's not all bad. There's a lot of good in there because this is also the reflection of what's possible for you in the seed of that, in the seed of the hard ways that it's impacted you and the cost of the trauma also lies the gift of the healing. So let's get let's get into it. What is trauma? From my definition as a somatic yoga therapist, trauma to me is really so complexed and nuanced and personal. And so, right from the start, I want you to think about trauma less from the lens of your own logical mind and not from an external point of view. So you're not looking at how other people might think or perceive or feel about your experiences. You're looking at it from your internal take on what you've been through and how it impacted you. And then also really taking the pressure off of it needing to be any certain way right here from the start, because it is incredibly layered and deeply personal and complex. For example, you might have grown up with a sibling, and your sibling was not impacted by certain things that were happening in your family, but you were. So just like, you know, take all the pressure off right here from the start. Let's get really curious about what trauma is and explore it from this multidimensional yoga therapy-based approach. Trauma is ultimately something that is too big, too fast, too much to process and work through when it happens. And we you may not have had the support, the brain development, you may not have had the time. Maybe life was there was too much going on. It was too big, it was too much, it was too fast, you couldn't process it, you couldn't work through it, you couldn't go through the natural experience of processing trauma when it happened. And so when we look at trauma through that lens, it's like, oh my gosh, well, pretty much anything could fall within that arena. Yeah, pretty much anything could fall within that. But it does not mean that everything that was too big, too much, too fast, you didn't have the support or brain development impacted you in a way that made trauma imprints on you or created adaptive patterning around it. So when we look at trauma, it's very helpful to think of nuance and to use intuition and to use swadiya, the study of the self, to actually get into your own impact, your own experience and to know yourself so deeply so that you can really look effectively at where you need the trauma recovery and integration and where your body is asking for freedom and support and help rather than just like blanket statementing, like, oh, well, this happened. So of course I have trauma in regards to that experience. So too much, too big, too fast, more than we can process and integrate, more than we have the support for, more than we have the development for at the time. All of that can be true. And also, there can be trauma that happens in more of a singular way, like an individual experience that occurs, maybe a car accident, maybe a medical experience for you or someone you have that happened and then it was in the resolution phase, maybe a statement that was made to you by someone else, an elementary school, or some aspect of your life where an individual thing occurred and oh man, it really stuck. And it you've kind of held on to it and formed some adaptive patterns around it. And trauma can also be more complex in the realm of it happened again and it didn't again, it layered on in different ways. Maybe you had a pattern in a romantic partnership where you got into a situation where there was some kind of abuse going on, and then that ended and it started again with somebody new, and it was something that you had also experienced in childhood. There can be different layers of trauma, more singular events, more layering and layering and layering and layering experiences that keep adding on. And it's also helpful to know that there are big T and little T traumas. And so big T traumas are those things that we would usually recognize as major events in our lives. Something big happened. Oh my gosh, you know, my mom got diagnosed with cancer. Oh my goodness, I experienced rape when I was in college. Oh my goodness, my family lost our home, or like those big things that you're like, okay, that was obviously a really major deal for a person to have experienced that. And then there's also little T traumas. And these are the ones that they often fly under the radar. So you don't necessarily register and even know in your conscious mind that something impacted you. But it did. Something happened on a smaller level, and it made an impact on how you think and how your nervous system responds and how you view your role in a situation or other people's role in a situation. And so little T traumas can be things like, and I've shared this example before on the podcast of when I was in third grade, I was picked on about my weight. And what's interesting about it is I was a pretty average size body, but I was bullied over my weight. And so I think it's it's important to make that statement that like I was a normal-sized kid. I was not an overweight kid, but I was being bullied about my weight. And I was not bullied over and over again about my weight, but oof, it landed this experience of being in the line in third grade, leaving Miss Baumgartner's class and being picked on about my weight. That's one of those little tea traumas that it stuck with me, but it was seemingly small in the context of a life. And little tea traumas can be other things too, that are just more like, ah, you know, it wasn't something major, but like, for whatever reason, that really landed with me. And I find that little tea traumas are oftentimes more like relational dynamics that people see come out. Somebody will say something, somebody will do something, somebody will make a choice, somebody will. That working mail will hit just right. So personal relationships, professional relationships, friends, kids at school, on and on, doctors, on and on. And so I think it's really helpful to have this understanding because you may or may not have some degree of clinical understanding of what trauma actually is and how it's defined and how it can manifest. But let's talk a little bit about how it actually impacts you. So if you aren't familiar, trauma is not just something that happens in your mind, it is also something that forms imprints in your nervous system and in your body. And there's a lot of myths out there about this. And I'm gonna just like name a couple of these as we go through it. But so trauma can impact the way your brain processes information. Your brain forms a story, it forms pattern recognition, it forms emotional responses, it forms pathways, neurological pathways in the brain of how it understood that situation. And it could be that it needs to hide that situation from you. It needs you to disassociate and forget, and it needs to bury the story. Or it could be that you need to ruminate on it a lot and it wants to bring it up again and again into conscious thought and it's constantly stirring it up or somewhere in the middle. So brain gets impacted by this experience. And you have different aspects of your brain. You have the prefrontal cortex, you have the brain stem, which is more of the primal aspects of the brain, the more primal aspects of the brain, if we're talking about something that was traumatic for you, you're really it's gonna speak more to the brain stem than it is the prefrontal cortex. And so part of the healing journey is like helping the lower brain and the top brain communicate with each other, helping your brain assimilate the story, understand the story, make sense and organize what happened, be held and supported as you talk through emotions, right? Like all of these things can be trauma healing and help you work through it. But another entire layer of trauma recovery and how trauma impacts you is not just what happens in the brain structure and in the brain's like complicated the mind aspect. It's also what happened in your nervous system and within your body. And so you could argue that your brain is more important than your body or your body is more important than your brain, but really, in my opinion, both. You need both aspects to be named and looked at. And so when you experience trauma, your body has this beautiful protective system called the nervous system that it's going to wire up and fire to help you out. And your nervous system has all these different states. There are sympathetic nervous system states like fight or flight. There is the window of tolerance, which is more of a state of ease and openness and spacious. There are parasympathetic nervous system responses like fawning, which is more people pleasing, and looking outward rather than looking inward. And there's freezing. And so that's more shutting down, could be like functional freezing where you're still moving through the day, but you're shut down, or like true freezing, like I am immobilized and I cannot move. And so when you experience trauma, depending upon severity and situation and who you're around and what's permitted and not, then your body may or may not have been able to really lean into those nervous system-based responses, which, if we look at your body, not just through the lens of the mind, but like your body is an animal body. And animal bodies are hardwired to help us survive and respond to difficult experiences. So if you're familiar with the work of Peter Levine, he wrote the book called Waking the Tiger and has a lot to say in this arena. And so it's like our body needs to work through that. If we feel a need to flee, and that's the nervous system pattern that's come up, if we actually get to flee from an experience, then our body has worked through it to a certain degree. If we get to shake after something really alarming or deeply saddening or grief or concerning happens to us, your body will naturally want to shake. Like, for example, after I gave birth to my daughter, I had this very long birthing journey with my daughter. It was a home birth. It was a beautiful experience, but I also couldn't keep food down. And it was a long labor because I don't know why, but I just have long labors. And my body shook for a good 12 to 16 hours after my birth. It was not a violent shaking, but it was a steady shaking. And it was my nervous system coming down from this experience. And because I had a home birth, my body was monitored by my midwife, but also my body was allowed to move through that shaking process. And if I had been in a different birthing environment, for example, that automatic process in my body might have been shut down and not able to happen. And so what I'm getting at here is that your body wants to help you through the traumatic experiences that you've had. And it may have needed to freeze, it may have needed to fun, it may have needed to flee, it may have needed to fight. And if those things didn't get to happen, then, or if they happened but the other aspects of you weren't supported, then your body has taken on imprints of that. And so those imprints can wire in the form of nervous system patterning that your body defaults to that doesn't always match the situation that you're in. So like your body perceives that it's in danger and in a threat. And so it will wire up all these nervous system patterns, and then that hijacks your brain, and then that hijacks your conscious choice, and that limits your creativity, and it limits your ability to see a bigger picture, and then you're having like a smaller range of emotions, and maybe you're feeling really stuck, and then all these like somatic symptoms start to happen in your body. Maybe your jaw gets really tight, maybe your hearing gets really dialed in. And maybe you're hearing like tinnitus, maybe it's a ringing sound, maybe your gut gets reactive, maybe you start to sweat, maybe you feel like you leave your body and your brain goes somewhere else. Like all these different things can start to happen. And I started off this conversation talking a little bit about how you can have things going on in your body that you don't even know are there until you feel the relief of them. You can have a way of thinking that you don't even know you have bought into until you are out of it and you're like, oh my gosh, this is what was possible. And so this kind of stuff can be baked into your experience of your body because let's be honest, that trauma isn't just something that waits for adulthood for you to experience suffering. It can be in utero. Like when you're in the womb, you can have like it's evidence-based truth that babies in a mother's womb can experience duress and stress. And so all this stuff can start really far back in your journey. In the childhood trauma, there's the concept of aces, adverse childhood experiences. You can give that a Google if that speaks to you. And you can see, like, okay, I had these adverse childhood experiences, and they informed my relationship with my body, my relationship to how my body responds to life, my nervous system, and how my nervous system perceives life, my brain and how it works, and how my thoughts wire and how my emotions fire and all of these things. And so this whole thing, this these this trauma response thing, these adaptive patterns that you form, these ways in which your body responds, your brain responds, is actually, stay with me, is actually really fucking cool. It is so cool because it is your body, your brain, your nervous system saying, I love this person so much, and I want to help you survive, and I want to help you get through this experience and thrive to the best of your ability. I want to help you through. It is to me a sign of a very creative body and brain and nervous system. This is a gift in a weird, funky package because all of these adaptive patterns that you formed, all of these ways that your body responded to trauma and then held on, are actually incredible ways that you have helped yourself. You are not broken if you have these things happening. You are a highly adaptable, resilient as strong woman. And these parts of you, like if you pull up the image of a car right now, make it a fun car, like a car you like, okay, it doesn't have to make sense. A car that's like, I don't know, maybe it's a convertible and the wind's in your hair and it's a sunny day and you're driving and you got like awesome jams on. Who's driving that car? Is it these adaptive patterns? Is it the trauma responses driving the car? Or is it your soul that is driving the car? Because at the end of the day, your yoga practice, your growth and healing journey, the work to recover from trauma, the work to come home for your body, for me, in my mind, it's to put your soul back in the driver's seat because these patterns can steer your life if you don't take responsibility. Because these patterns develop to help you, but they were never meant to be the boss of where you're heading. They were never meant to be the person choosing how you respond to life and how you think about your life and what decisions you make or risks you avoid or love you let in, or love that you close yourself off to. These patterns were meant to be helpers until you could get to a space where you could heal and you could restore and you could nourish and you could get back in touch with your soul and you could relax and open and receive again on a bigger level. And so I, if you like me, and I know you're like me, have been through some shit and it has informed how you feel, and your body, and your nervous system, and your brain, then just take a moment and tell all those adaptive parts of you thank you. Oh my gosh, thank you. You love me on in your own way, and you just wanted to help me through all these things that I was going to. Thank you so much for your genius. Thank you so much for protecting me. Thank you so much for driving when I couldn't. And also, I have I have totally got things now. I don't need you to drive anymore. Soul me is here. Soul, me is ready to steer. Soul me is ready to lead. And I don't need to see through these same filters anymore. I don't need my nervous system to wire up these same patterns with these same triggers or things that come up that feel tricky. I, as the soul in this equation, I, as the resourced, embodied, magnificent woman standing in her power, have so got this. And so I want to talk a little bit more about how you can turn this all around because these adaptive patterns are pathways to freedom too. If you can get to a place where you understand that and you can call them for what they are, and you can name that you hold the power. So, what this can really look like is forming a consistent relationship to your yoga practice. And obviously, I'm biased, right? I'm totally biased. I am a yoga therapist. This is my work, this is what I'm here to help you with. But there's a reason, y'all. Like, I don't just say this because I'm like floating on a cloud thinking yoga heals all and is good for everything, because it's just not like yoga is not the cure for cancer, right? Like I'm not pretending that yoga helps everything. But I am absolutely in 100% agreement that for the vast majority of people, yoga therapy can touch things that no other form of therapeutic resources can touch. Like you can go to talk therapy and experience tremendous, tremendous gifts from having that experience. And it will not help you to get more in touch with your soul. It will not help you to integrate body, mind, spirit, and life in one practice. It will not touch the somatic imprints, it will not rewire your nervous system in terms of like the stress that the nervous system can be in. It will not move your body, it will not relax your body, it will not help you feel nourished from other sources. Psychotherapy is an incredible tool and it has its place. And yoga therapy does not offer the same gifts that psychotherapy does. It offers different and other wonderful gifts. And for like I just kind of want to name here in case you're thinking of yoga therapy just in terms of physical practice, because that's wonderful and so good for you, but it's not the whole picture, babe. Yoga therapy also includes swadiaya, which is this deep self-study. It is knowing yourself so deeply as a whole woman, not just as the mind, but as what's going on in the mind. Let me be curious about the mind. Let me understand my thoughts, let me notice where I'm attached to something being a certain way or believing a certain thing, and let me break up with that attachment and look at this through a different perspective. But it's also like really helping you to bridge the gap between body and mind. Okay, let me connect my mind with my body. Let me have kinesthetic intelligence about my body. What's a toe? Oh my gosh, let me feel my toe. Let me feel this part of my body. Let me notice that part of my body. Let me stretch. Let me move energy. Let me get my subtle body working. Let me open up and get blood flow through the tissues. Let me realign things. Let me deeply relax things. Let me soften. Let me learn what it feels like to soften my jaw. It allows you to rewire, literally rewire your relationship with your psyche and your brain, the top and the bottom brain and your nervous system and your body and your soul and in the context of your life all in one place. And so, yes, practicing yoga consistently and regularly and deeply is very important for you to use these doorways that trauma recovery gave you as healing pathways for your pleasure, enlightenment, recovery, and magnificence to shine. And not all yoga is equal in this regard. So obviously, I want you to be practicing yoga in a therapeutic way that allows you to slow down and tune in. I want you to be practicing yoga in a varied way that incorporates not all just like flowy practices, but also stillness, also relaxation, also meditation and breath work and chanting and some of the inner work aspects of yoga. The swadhyaya, the looking at a vidya. A vidya is literally what the trauma brain is. It's really looking through an old point of view rather than seeing things for what they really are in the present moment. Cultivating Santosha, contentment, like, okay, let me actually really appreciate, let me trust in good things, let me lean in and allow myself to feel great about good things. It's also Ishwara Pranidana, it's surrendering, it's allowing yourself to be held and guided by soul and knowing that your soul is connected to something bigger than you and that your limited ego self and your singular human self does not have to hold it all. You are held by something bigger than you. And so I've seen this time and time again where women really lean in to training with the right kind of yoga therapist or yoga teacher or yoga environment or yoga space, like yoga community. And it rewires your relationship with your body. Parts of you that hold these trauma imprints of the past in your body start to naturally unwind what they're holding. The tension in your jaw starts to become an old story, not a current story. Maybe you notice yourself being more present in your body as you move through the day. Oh my gosh, as I'm driving in my car, I notice that I'm more aware. I'm one of my clients talks about how she can hear the birds more in these little moments of her life. And it's just like, I am embodied. You become more embodied. And then also those parts of you that have held on to tension and held on to pain, or you've had difficulty being present in, you're rewiring safety, you're restructuring what it means to notice these parts of your body. You're opening up doors that were closed before, you're moving things through that felt stuck or stagnant. It does so much. And in my own journey, I want to acknowledge that I've been practicing yoga for 20 years. And when I came to yoga, I was the definition of a woman who had experienced a lot of trauma, childhood-related trauma, teenage trauma, church-related trauma, relational trauma, community trauma. I had been through a lot. And I had, gosh, I always, it surprises me how tender I feel about that past version of me, because how great the suffering was. And and yoga became this place for me to resolve so much of it without having to tell all of the stories, without having to look into it. And not that that's not important because it is. I've done a lot of mental health treatment as well. But it works on layers that nothing else does. And it liberated me on so many different levels in ways that I never even knew was possible. And I know you probably have had that same experience of yoga, or if you haven't yet, you know it's possible. But also I want to name that we're not trauma-proofed, right? Like me in my 20 years of yoga experience, I have experienced other traumas along the way. I'm not immune to suffering and yoga practice. In case you were like, I just want to never experience hard things again. Nope. Let's have a good laugh together because it's just not possible. They're part of, I love it from the Buddhist perspective, part of humanness. Being a human being means that we will navigate intensity. And karma yoga teaches us that we can use these experiences to grow and heal and love and serve our purpose in the world. And so I've experienced new layers of complexity and hard things along the way. I've had aspects of childhood trauma that I finally felt ready to navigate and deal with. And I've used yoga to help me heal those things. I've had the loss of two children due to miscarriage that I navigated, or difficult long births to living children, or this or that. And so your yoga practice is also helping you not just work through past stuff, but also navigate the current stuff that is coming up because every time that those things come up, they're impacting body, they're impacting brain, they're impacting nervous system and body, that combination. And they're disconnecting you from that soul-resourced version of you because those parts have needed to take charge. And these practices, this technology that we find in the yoga therapy realm is helping to wire that up again. If you are on a journey of your own, of processing some of the past things that you've been through, or exploring how yoga can be more than maybe what you thought it was, and deepening your understanding of allowing yourself to actually thrive on a whole new level and what that would look like and what that would feel like. And if you're looking for more ways to take what you've learned here and apply it, then I'd love to invite you into two different ways of working with me. One is called daily devotion. And it's really nice because it's this 21-day highly structured program that incorporates wide-range yoga medicine in these 10-minute or day, 10-minute or less videos and journaling practices and meditations. And it takes all the guesswork out. You just get to log in. I promise we get to have fun. I love to have fun. By the way, I think healing journey in yoga practice is super fun. But also, like we can be silly and heal. It doesn't have to be like grueling and painful to heal all the time. It can also incorporate a lot of laughter and a lot of desire and pleasure. And so you get, if you're like one of those women that you're like, ah, right now I'm in a place where I just want to be held, I want to be guided, I want to be walked through every single step. Daily devotion is a great place for you to start. And if you know that you want something more than that, if you want something ongoing that you can be held and supported by, where every single part of you will be welcome and you'll still have access to this wide-range yoga medicine that's going to help you heal and integrate in a much more deep way than just a yoga class would, then join me inside the Nourished Woman Sanctuary. You get access to over 170 now practices that I've developed for you that touch on emotional themes, that are based on the state of your nervous system, and that are weaving in a lot of different yoga therapy techniques, not just asana, but also different pranayama, different meditation, different chanting practices all in one place, different inner work, the philosophical aspects are there. And um, but you also get two live practices with me every single month. And the Nourish Woman Sanctuary and Daily Devotion are things that you can find out down more about down in the show notes. It has been so nice to share this episode with you, and I look forward to connecting with you soon. I'm always game to hear your feedback. So let me know what stands out for you truly. I'm a generator. I make these podcasts for you because I want to give you information that you would like to have, and also because I like to have conversations. So write back and let me know if that speaks to you. What landed and what stood out. Much love.