The Dx2 Podcast
Two sisters discuss what they are learning about having a balanced wheel of life that rolls along as smoothly as possible.
The Dx2 Podcast
Building Chosen Family In A Divided World
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Tired of the online narrative that we’re hopelessly divided? We take a clear-eyed look at how connection actually grows in real life—through chosen family, reciprocal friendships, and small daily acts of kindness. Our guest, Kaylynn, is a single mom and foster mom who’s built a thriving support network while navigating work, caregiving, and the beautiful chaos of a home full of kids. Her story of friendship with Ari—weathering loss, sharing a household, and now raising biological brothers across their homes—offers a living blueprint for how unity is made, not declared.
We also unpack the incentives behind rage bait and why bad news spreads faster than good, then flip the script with practical habits: tell the good story, compliment strangers, and practice civility even when you disagree. Kaylynn shares how the DiSC assessment helped her understand communication styles, lead teams, and reduce friction, while we compare different profiles and how to tailor feedback. The result is a simple framework for stronger relationships at home and at work: know yourself, know your people, and speak in ways they can actually hear.
If you’ve struggled to balance parenting and personal time, Kaylyn’s approach to boundaries and self-care reframes “me time” as the fuel that sustains generosity. From post‑pandemic lessons about the power of in‑person moments to the courage to initiate hard conversations, this conversation delivers grounded strategies you can use today. Subscribe, share with a friend who feeds your soul, and leave a review to help more listeners find tools for building authentic connection. Then tell us: what’s one good thing you’ll spread this week?
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Welcome And Today’s Theme
SPEAKER_01Welcome to the D Times 2 podcast, hosted by sisters Denise and Deborah. We are all about finding balance in the various parts of life. Using the Wheel of Life as our guide, we explore how to keep each spoke rolling smoothly. We discuss health and wellness, education and spirituality, as well as mental and emotional growth. Join us for real conversations, practical tips, and a few laughs as we share stories, insights, and strategies to help you create a life that feels balanced, purposeful, and designed by you. Good morning, Deborah. Good morning, Denise. How are you? Doing pretty good. It's a beautiful day today. It's gorgeous out there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
Are We Really So Divided
SPEAKER_01Yeah. What's been on your mind lately? I've been thinking about unity and division. And I feel like in the world through social media, the news, anything online really, that there seems to be a lot of division. When I look at things that are closer to me than social media, because that's kind of a bird's eye view, right? Yeah. I feel like people are not as divided as it looks like we are online. I think so too. And I think a lot of it is because like the media outlets and a lot of the social media stuff is driven by what is it, rage baiting. So they're going for likes and clicks and views rather than bringing people together. I think that's kind of pathetic. Like you want you want people to like the negative so that you get more clicks, more likes, and more money. But there's so much positive and so much good out there. And I feel like we're more we are actually more the same and more united than it appears. Yeah, I would agree. I I think there are some small segments of society that are more separate and divided, but overall we're much closer to what we care about than than it appears. Yeah. Because those other ones are so loud. Yeah. I think that's just really.
unknownI don't know.
SPEAKER_01I think it's kind of pathetic that that's how you want to portray the world. Like just look at the good. Look at the good because there is so much good. Yeah, there is. I just keep thinking of that song, come together. Yeah. Just come together and just find things that you agree on and work toward those. I think that that's way better than selling division and contention and build on commonalities and similarities. Yes. I've always been I've always been convinced, even if you wholeheartedly disagree with someone or some people over some things, there are still things you have in common that you can build on and relate to each other about. For sure. And even if you disagree with somebody, you can still be friendly. I'm gonna be rude. Yeah, right, right, be civil. Yeah. Have an educated cooperative discussion. Yeah. And agree to disagree if the need be. For sure. I just want to mention we have a guest right here with us today. We'll introduce her in a minute, but she just keeps nodding her head. Is there anything you want to add to that?
Spread The Good, Not The Drama
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it actually reminds me of something that someone once told me when, you know, when you're in a relationship with someone too, and you are going through struggle. So your first thing to do is to run to someone and you know you're close to. To tell about what you may be struggling with in the relationship because you need that person to vent to. Whereas you might not always find yourself as often running to someone to tell them about something funny that happened between you or something good that happened between you. And you may do that too. But I think on the other side of that, when you have someone coming to vent to you to tell you, you know, struggles that they're having, you remember those a lot more often than they would something positive going on in their life. And I think that the media kind of figured that out too. And they're like, oh, this is what's gonna reel people in, the drama, you know, everything that they might not have going on in their lives, but maybe curious about in a negative way. So it's just drawing people in and kind of hooking them. But I don't think that they're understanding like what that's portraying onto everybody else when you're just constantly saying negative and you're not seeing all the positive, it's outweighing enough.
Meet Kaylyn: Mom And Foster Mom
SPEAKER_01It gets so heavy. But as you were saying that, it made me think of like there's a well-known business strategy where if a customer has a good experience, they might tell one person, but they likely won't tell anyone. Exactly. But if they have a bad experience, they're gonna tell at least 10 people, if not more. Yep, that's a good experience. Okay, so here's here's your counsel for the day. Spread the good. Tell about your good experiences and not just all the negative that you experience or see. I think it's good to spread the love. Or spread the funny, spread the good. So I'm gonna spread a little funny right now. I thought it was so funny last night, and I did tell at least two or three people about it because we have some family in town, and we were doing a little celebration last night for a birthday and an adoption finalization. So we had like a pizza party and some cake and all of that. And I invited my parents to come, and the response was, yes, we would love to come. We'll bring brown ice. And then I thought, what in the world? And then there was another text that just said cake. And then there was another text. I was so confused. There was another text that said, sorry, that was your dad responding. Yes, we'll come and we'll bring brownies. It was just funny and cute and you know, just adorable that I had to share.
SPEAKER_00It's the small interactions that you don't often share. Yeah, kind of like how sometimes I may come to easier to other people than it does me, but I find myself more often. I think a lot of compliments to people in my head, but I don't always verbalize to strangers. I think that's very common. Yeah, so I think that lately I've really been forcing myself if I like somebody's outfit or their shoes, or you know, they just look really pretty today. I try to tell them. And I don't do that often.
SPEAKER_01So I've been hoping to start doing that more. Yeah, see something nice, say something nice. Good awareness. I like that. So we've had a little bit of discussion with our guest. Deborah, would you like to introduce our guest for us? To introduce our guest. Um, she is our special guest today, and we will be talking with her about some very specific things. She is my stepdaughter. I think of her more as my bonus daughter because she is a bonus in my life. Yes. And at this point, I've known her for more of her life than I haven't. When we first met, she was 14. And I will never forget what she said to me because her dad and I, my husband Tom, had just gotten engaged, and she came over and I showed her my ring, and she looked at it and she said, Do you remember this? No, I remember exactly where we were, but you said, I approve, and I'm not talking about the ring. Oh, and it was the sweetest thing ever. But that like set off how I've seen you in your interactions with people. So this is Kaylyn. She is Tom's daughter, and she is a single mom. She's also a foster mom. She has a very full plate. She does not live here in the same area that I do, but we used to live close to each other. So now we kind of prioritize visiting each other.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yeah, making the most of that time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So she's really a good example for a lot of things to me, which is why we wanted to talk to her while she's here with us. Is there anything that you want to say about yourself that I might have left out? Because I didn't say a whole lot of the very basics.
SPEAKER_00I mean, you summed up the big basics that make up a big portion of my life. That single mom, foster mom as well. Yeah. Working.
SPEAKER_01Just making it day to day. You do day to day, but I like the single mom. You were married and you got divorced or separated in month nine of your pregnancy. Yes. So you've been a single mom from day one of birth.
SPEAKER_00A whole decade now.
Chosen Family And Reciprocity
SPEAKER_01Yeah. That's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. You've had a lot on your plate.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I but I'm very thankful that it did go the way that it did go because it's made me a better person myself, which I think in turn has made me a really good mom. You're a great mom.
SPEAKER_01You're not a really you're a great mom. She is so lucky to have you as her mom. And your foster children are also like so blessed to have you as their mom. There's a whole lot of them, too. Six children in your house right now, and one of them is your biological daughter. Yes. Yeah. You have one biological, maybe two more micrometers. Yeah, as well. That's just in process. Yes. That's so exciting. That's so exciting. Well, how much like a lot of love you get to share with people and a lot of uh good. So thank you. That's awesome.
SPEAKER_00I think I have the best example to that because my mom did foster care when I was growing up. So I was gonna say, you learned this from your mom, and what a great example she set. Yeah, it really opened the door to just understanding that we have more than you need somewhere for that to go, that there is always a place for it to go. And that just happened to be welcoming other children into my mom.
What True Friendship Looks Like
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And even your mom, she ultimately adopted one of their foster kids. So you have a little brother. Yes, I do. Not so little right now. He's he has a baby on the zone. Yes, it was a really good example, yeah, of how to share love and goodness. Okay, so let's transition into our topics really for today, which is like from what I've observed, you've really been deliberate about building and maintaining your social circle. In fact, I think that you consider a lot of who people who are technically friends to be your family. And I see it as you really curating your own family and your own chosen community. Do you agree? I do, yes, I do agree. So, why is that social network so important to you? And how do you keep those connections strong, especially when you have so much on your plate?
SPEAKER_00It's important to me because growing up, I lived and shared a backyard, like next door to you, and shared a backyard with family and my cousins, and was fortunate enough to also have our cousins, you know, a few minutes down the road. And just growing up and spending every single day being able to just go next door or you know, have knock at the door. We actually didn't even really knock, we just kind of walked in. But just having that consistently around I think made my childhood, and I really want that for my own children. So keeping very close relationships and consistent relationships are very important to me. I've seen a lot of people who get very close to people but may not keep that consistent.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna say that's me. Like I love people, but I oftentimes love them from afar.
SPEAKER_00Or in phases. Yeah. A lot of people have phases where maybe that person is right for them and what they're going through in that moment, but they might not be as close if they're in a different season of life. So I think that for me it's most important to find people that can fit every season that I go through. And for me, those are the people that I call family, even though we're not related, we don't share the same blood, but we are family. Yeah, I I consider it your chosen family. Yes, yeah. And I think that it's um easy for me to keep the relationships open with those people because I know that the people I've chosen as my family have chosen me as theirs as well. So the effort I'm putting in, they're also putting right back.
SPEAKER_01It's a good reciprocal relationship. You both find value, high value in the relationship. Exactly. That's that's awesome. Not everybody has that. So good job. No, Lee, and it's like that before, where we don't like transactional relationships, we like those reciprocal ones. Yeah, honest, deep, true relationships.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's what feeds you. That's you as a person, not just what you're doing in your life, but just you as a person. It feeds your personality, it feeds your motivation to have people that really know how to get through to you that way.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. That's lovely. I like that. So what can you share an experience with us that has taught you what true friendship is, what it looks like? Yeah. Okay.
Fostering, Adoption, And Shared Journeys
SPEAKER_00This will get a little deep, I guess, but Aries. Okay. So Ari is my roommate. She's also my best friend, and I've known her since I was 16. Shortly after I met her, was diagnosed with cancer. And a few months later, her long-term boyfriend was also diagnosed with cancer. And we worked together, me and Ari. So we saw each other every day. Yeah. You know, my mom passed away in early 2014, and her boyfriend passed away that same year. Oh my. So we've kind of had very parallel struggles in life. And to this day, I would say we're just as close. You know, we've she's basically my life partner without the, you know, without it. Yeah, yeah. She we live together, we share all responsibilities, we are raising children together. Having something, and it doesn't always have to be something negative, but just having something that you can can experience with something that makes both of you the most vulnerable to your core that you could possibly get to, and knowing that you're overcoming that, it kind of just makes the rest of everything smooth sailing. And we've lived together for over seven years now, and we have one disagreement, one actual fight living together. That's pretty good. And we always joke about it because we say, you know, we probably fight less than married couples. We don't say, Oh, I got groceries last time, you get them this time. Oh, you're running low gas, but you don't get paid for five days. Let me go fill your tank. That's just how it is, because we know that we are always going to be there for each other. And I think that when you can have someone like that in your corner, that's true friendship. That's somebody that you're never jealous of, you know, you're always just rooting for them, even if it's you know, you want the best for them, even if it's putting them before getting best for you. And that is true, true friendship for me. That's beautiful. That's deep.
SPEAKER_01That is deep. Good job.
unknownThat's it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Sorry. That's the best way. Yeah, that bond, that experience bonded the two of you in a way that most people don't can't relate to in any way, shape, or form. Is it okay if I talk about last night? Yeah. So it was actually Ari's birthday that we were celebrating last night. So she is your roommate, but she is here with us for Thanksgiving. Not for the first time. No, because she's my chosen family. Yeah, she's part of our family too. And it was her finalizing the adoption of her son that we were celebrating. Yes. So she has finalized that, and you are working on it with a different child to so that's another thing that you guys have gone through together. She's a little ahead of you, but same very like core, really meaningful experience that you guys have.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So um we started fostering. Well, I guess I'll say I started fostering, it's going on three and a half years ago.
unknownOkay.
Nature Or Nurture: Welcoming People
SPEAKER_00And it was about a year into almost a year into my fostering journey, that I received a call for a little newborn at the hospital that they needed someone to take placement at. At the time, I was still working in Texas, so she was only really home about maybe two months, three months, if I was lucky out of the year. So she came home and passed for two and a half years, and she is now his official mother. His mother. Yeah, yeah. And yes, I'm working adopting my own children, which would be a new little baby who just so happens to be the brother of our adopted son. So not only are we moving through life together, but now we are also raising brothers together.
SPEAKER_01And she is delightful. We had such a nice visit yesterday on a super long walk. Yes. That's awesome. Thank you for sharing that. Appreciate that. Um, have you always been so welcoming to people? Or is it something you learned? Like you talked about your mom and learning that foster care love from her. Is that where you learned how to be welcoming to just everybody? Or is part of it just your personality?
The DiSC Assessment And Strengths
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um this way. I love I love my mother and I give her a lot of credit for a lot of things. Um, and I guess I can still give her credit for this, but she definitely she raised my my older brother and I a lot differently from and She didn't, I was not mama's boy. So she really wanted me to grow to be very independent, stand up for myself, and be able to navigate life without having someone else there to pick up the pieces. And I really do appreciate that now because I don't prefer words. And I think that she just kind of wanted me to be prepared for anything in life. But I have always been this way. I've always been outgoing and I speak my mind. What you can talk to the I don't have a hard time making friends. I'm usually the one in the group when we're lost somewhere. I'm more frustrated that everybody's trying to Google it, so I just walk away and then go ask the random stranger. Yeah. I am not afraid to talk to anyone. I will talk to anyone about anything. I can always find a common ground about that. Which is actually something I wanted to bring up. I kind of mentioned to Deb over when we're right over here in the car. That I find it so funny because the job with an employee at right now, part of the hiring process, is they have you take it's essentially a personality test. It's called disk assessment. It's D-I-S-C. Actually, what that stands for, and I always forget, but it does stand for dominance, influence, steadiness. I always have a hard time pronouncing this word, but conscientious. Yes, is that right? Is it conscious or conscientiousness? Conscientiousness, right? Yes. Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_01It's a weird word.
SPEAKER_00But basically, it's about 80 questions or so. They have you take it. They just want to see how you react to certain situations, other people. It's just a really great way to kind of figure out who you are, but also how you interact with other people and who they interact better with and not so much with. Oh, you know, typically most people score about 70% in this area or you know, whatever. So the game averages. Well, when it came to um influence, which is the I section of it, which basically talks about how outgoing you are, how bold you can be, and how loud and talkative and friendly, I scored a 99.9%, which is the highest that any of the trainers have ever seen. That's awesome. I was off the charts. Yeah. Which I just laughed about because I just kept thinking, okay, well, it makes sense now. Yeah. Fuck the pay news that because less than two percent of the applicants that apply where I work actually get hired, because they are looking for specific people to hire that will work well together, get along with each other, and they know how to then put teams together of who you will work well with. And every team I get put on, the only one that is always very high in that area, and I always end up being put as team leader because of it. So, yes, I've always been this way. It's been proven on paper.
SPEAKER_01That's a great, that's a great strength to have because I don't know if you know this, neither Deborah nor I are like that. I was gonna say I'm friendly, but I'm but like I'm not outspoken generally, or the like. Absolutely can be outspoken when it's I think like I inherently am a natural leader, but I don't like go out of my way to be a leader. And I've taken that same disk assessment, and I think I scored like a 30 in that because I prefer to be more behind the scenes exerting influence than at the front of the team leading. That's why we're sitting here behind microphones with not a screen in front of them.
SPEAKER_00Well, and it's funny because when I went to refresh myself with the results this morning, uh-huh, um I was kind of looking out the it's the section for D, which is like dominance, and then S for the conscientiousness. And I was like, you know, those really sound like a combination of depth. I was gonna say I scored really high on both of them. And those would be where you're direct and you have result, you know, you're result-oriented, you know, analytical, precise, um, you can be firm, strong-willed, and somewhat forceful. Yes.
SPEAKER_01I think I described Stempra very well. Yes.
Balancing Motherhood And Social Life
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's a smile and kindness most of the time. Yeah. So anyone listening, if you're ever wondering how to best describe yourself to somebody, or to figure out if you're maybe a good match for somebody else to get along with or work with, or you're just curious of how to approach them about something, because it can also tell you how they like to be approached with things and how not to be, it's a great assessment to take.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, it was very informative when I so when I used to work at the hospital, everyone had to take it. And that's how they was like the the main things would be like on a piece of paper or on their door or on their desk. So when people approached, they could see this is the best way to interact with this person. It was really something to watch.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yeah. A lot of people in my company actually post their results as their signature on their email. Yeah. So when you respond to them, you know how direct or not direct to be.
SPEAKER_01Interesting. Very cool. So as a busy single mom with a house full of children, how do you balance your family life with your social life? Because I know you go out, I know you go do things. How do you make that work?
SPEAKER_00Well, it definitely looks a lot different now than probably I would say, you know, three to five years ago before I started fostering. But yes, I do still take a lot of time to prioritize for myself because being a single mom for so many years and working one to two jobs at a time with my daughter, it missed a lot. I missed a lot of time with friends, I missed a lot of time with my daughter. In fact, before I was going to be able to help other people's children, I needed to help myself. So I kind of made a change where I forced myself to hang out with people. So it was a deliberate conscious choice. Yes. I have to force myself to reach out to people sometimes and that because I wake at 2 a.m. and I think, you know what? I haven't talked to this person in a while. I you know, say, hey, Sarah, is that a reminder? To text this person tomorrow or call this person tomorrow. It's not easy, but it is something that I get consistent with. Make sure that I'm preserving that time for me and child free. That's a big part of that.
SPEAKER_01Is so you have I'm just gonna be KLN time. Yes, not mom time, not yes, yeah.
Post‑Pandemic Connection Lessons
SPEAKER_00Um how I do that, unfortunately, a lot of the time is because Ari is there and she can watch the kids. So although we say that unfortunately, because that means that when I'm going out to do something fun, my best friend doesn't get to come with me. We live together, so we also make time to hang out and do things together too. But I think that the biggest part is I have to remind myself that I also don't want to look back at you know 20 years and be very proud that I was able to raise children and a very successful life, but I didn't get to live my own. So yeah, I really made a point to push myself to hang out with people, talk with people. And that kind of circles back to what we said earlier about how it feeds you, right? It feeds your soul to be able to be yourself and have genuine interactions with people.
SPEAKER_01I think it feeds your soul, but also like your energetic battery. Yes, charges, yeah. Yeah, human interactions are important. It's vital, as we learned unfortunately a few years ago. It is vital. Yeah, we need we need each other and we need good interactions, we need good friendships, and in person, in in person, yes, skin on.
SPEAKER_00I think COVID got a big wake-up call for a lot of people with that because we were really going into just social media world, period. There wasn't really, you know, people have social media friends they've never met in life, but have been friends with, right? In years, but I think that COVID kind of opened everybody's eyes that when you're forced to not hang out with people, you realize you absolutely need that in life. Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_01I I just have so many thoughts going through my head with with you having said that, because during the height of that time, you and I both lived in California, and we had some of the most strict guidelines, shall we say, and it was very, very isolating. And I'm an introvert, I don't need quite as much interaction as you do. Yeah, but even I felt it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I definitely was, like I said, when you're forced to not be around people, to not help people, you know, even just have face-to-face conversation, pass people in a grocery store too closely and say, Oh, I'm so sorry, excuse me. You don't realize that those little interactions just with people daily, it's you need that from people. So I think keeping the connections that you do have with family, friends, and strengthening those is just gonna help you if we ever do get into that kind of situation, or you're ever in something where you know maybe you can't meet up in person, you still need to have a strong connection to people and be able to utilize that. Because let me tell you, being a mom and not having time to just take my six children out the door and go to a movie, or you know, when someone's like, Hey, do you want to go to dinner? And I'm like, Not really, because I don't want to pay for eight people tonight, you know. So yeah, it you have to just reserve that time, whether it's spontaneous or you're quite literally putting it into your calendar and blocking two hours off.
SPEAKER_02Either way, make sure to do it.
Micro‑Moments Of Kindness Matter
SPEAKER_01So I lived in a different state than the two of you did, and ours was not as super locked down as California was. And I worked for an accounting firm, and guess what? Taxes still had to be filed, so people still had to come into the office. And I remember people coming in, and instead of coming up to the counter to talk, they'd stand back or they'd have their mask on, and you couldn't tell how they were feeling or anything. And I remember going to the grocery store, and people had their masks on, and like nobody would look at anybody else. When we we were by each other, we were around each other, but you couldn't tell all of that connection, all of that. So it's more than it like social connection is even in the grocery store with random people being able to see their faces and having some kind of eye contact connection. It's like even that makes a big difference. It was it was astounding to me to walk to the grocery store and nobody looking at each other and nobody talking to each other, and we're all just kind of hiding in our own little bubble. That was crazy to me. So not anymore.
SPEAKER_00No, yeah, no. Well, and that's the thing too, why I said I'm really trying to force myself to compliment people, you know, and just make that interaction with a total stranger, even if it's for five seconds, because I take that and run with it. As a mom gets to go to the store by herself sometimes, yeah. That's sometimes the only interaction I get is with the cashier while they're checking out my stuff, and they probably just want to finish their shift. But I'm telling them all about this TV show I'm because I have nobody to talk to.
SPEAKER_01But they love it and that connection or interaction, like it literally is what makes some people stay. Yeah, yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_00And you just never know what people are going through. I know that's a big thing that people say, yeah, but I'm a perfectionist making sure that nobody knows what's going on, but I don't want them to. And so sometimes when people are doing that in reverse, where they're just talking to me when I'm not trying to say anything, that can help me. Give and take. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Balance, balance in your social circle and emotional life. And I like that. Thank you. So as we wrap up, if you could leave us with two pieces of advice from any area of the wheel of life, what would that advice be?
SPEAKER_00I thought about this today. I was thinking about advice I may be able to give. I would say for my own mental state, I think that has truly improved over the last two years that I could maybe help other people with is I really struggle with putting myself first because I try to be very selfless and I try to make sure you know my children have everything they need. So I would buy everyone everything until I have nothing left to buy myself. Um I really tried to change that recently and not think of it as being selfish. I think that there's a difference for treating yourself so that you can treat other people with anything. And whether that's I give myself a nap for the day, or I walk off two hours and hire a sitter where the kids can leave the house and I can just clean in peace. Or maybe my baby wakes up a little early and I need to put my headphones in and just take a minute to myself so that I can be a person before I take care of another person. It's okay to put yourself first.
SPEAKER_01Fill your own bucket before you help other people. Yes. We've talked about that a few times on here. I think it is so common, especially for moms and especially for young moms, to do that. Like they almost feel more validated in sacrificing themselves for the needs of the family or the kids. And it's not a worthwhile sacrifice. You have to take care of yourself so that you can take care of.
Two Pieces Of Lasting Advice
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because if you're only giving somebody half of your energy or you know, half of yourself, you're it's not fair. So, yeah, you do need to fill up your bucket all the way to the brim and just overflowing, and then you can fill them. That's true. That's really awesome thought. Anything else you want to share? Yeah, I do. So the other thing would be some social advice. Um, I've stated because I am so blunt and honest. My best advice I can give to people is have hard conversations. I tell people that all the time. I think that a lot of people struggle with just saying how they feel. And I think the reason why I have such strong friendships and relationships with people is because I am very honest and very open. And when I write out a text, I very rarely delete it to rewrite it. If I if I wanting to say something, I just say it. And I think it builds a mutual respect with my friends and I because we're very honest to each other. But I think that a lot of people are afraid to hurt other people's feelings, and I'm not saying be rude to people, but definitely don't hold back. If you want genuine, true relationships, you need to build genuine, true connections. And the only way you're gonna do that is by just saying what needs to be said.
SPEAKER_01It gives you that foundation of trust. Yes, yeah. Trust is a hard thing to build, so and it's hard to build, especially if you're not saying, if you're not talking about things, that's really difficult.
SPEAKER_00So people will never know feeling unless you let them know. You have to tell them if you don't like something, they they don't know.
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SPEAKER_01Yeah. They play the game, guess what's in my head does not work well. Communication, communication, communication. I will say I I really like that piece of advice. And I'm one who I will have the hard conversations, but sometimes I'll put them off a little bit, especially in my marriage. And I it won't get too deep. This is your dad we're talking about right. But he doesn't normally bring stuff up. He'll just suck it up and and yeah, but every once in a while I'm like, okay, we need to sit down and talk about this, and we'll have a great conversation. It never goes badly, it's always good, but it can be a little tricky. And then all always within a day or two, he will come and say, Thank you for starting that conversation. I'm so glad we had it. I think that's yeah, it's funny because my brother is exactly like them. Yeah. So some people need to be coerced into doing it. Yeah. But I don't coerced with love. Yeah, regrets it in the end. It's always a good thing in the end.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And that's probably like the flip side of somebody like me who's not afraid to have those conversations. You know, people like my dad, they're not afraid to have the conversations, they don't know how to start the right. So they need people like me who are like, hey, like how this went the other day. Let's chat about it.
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