#26 SKINNY TOK - heroine chic is back and here are our honest thoughts

We are not holding back in this episode! Skinny is back and these are our honest thoughts on this...

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Guys, guys, welcome back to Mindset Meets Muscle. I am Emily and I am Tash. So we want to get deeper into something because it seems to be trending everywhere at the moment. You can't really laugh it off. We can't really ignore it because I think it's being thrown in our face just like it did in the 2000s. And it's the rise on the trend of skinny and skinny talk. So I want to go a little bit deeper because this isn't just a passing trend we can actually laugh off. It is something that genuinely shapes how people see themselves, how they eat and how they treat their bodies. Because I think we all know by now skinny is kind of back and it's showing up everywhere. It's on skinny talk. It's almost in my eat in a day videos. It's this subtle, subtle restriction dressed up as discipline. And what makes it really concerning is it doesn't look extreme to anyone anymore. It looks polished, it looks aesthetic and sometimes aspirational. And it's being rebranded as wellness and as health. But underneath all of that, the core message definitely hasn't changed from the 2000s. And it's eat less, weigh less, take up less space, become smaller. And in reality, when you're exposed to that constantly, your perception of what is normal shifts. And without you even bloody realizing it, suddenly your portions feel too big and your body feels like it needs to be smaller and you feel like you need to restrict. And you don't consciously choose that. It's just crept up on you over time.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

And that's exactly why I think this conversation really matters and it's so important for us to talk about now because the issue isn't just the trend itself, it's what people are doing to try and achieve it. And when skinny is the goal at all costs, people default to under eating, skipping meals, avoiding proper training, relying on ultimate restriction, the smallest amount of food possible. And even now, like we're seeing people will take doses of Ozempic that are way too high for them. I've even had some girlfriends who have told me that they have friends that have lied about their BMIs online. Oh yeah, loads to get prescriptions for Ozempic. It's very easy to do that, which is wild to me because also like the dose that you're gonna get for yourself is completely wrong. So these people are literally eating nothing. And like how you that's not even enough food to like get through the day. It's not even enough food to to reach your BMR, and that's where we fall into a very dangerous trap of being in a very low energy availability state. And we have to be really honest that this approach, yeah, it might lead to weight loss, but at what cost? Like you're you're going to also bring with that a whole range of health consequences. Your body doesn't get if your body doesn't get enough fuel, especially protein, we're looking at massive changes to our bone health. We're looking at risks of things like osteoporosis, we're looking at hormone changes, loss of cycles, which can lead to long-term cardiovascular disease, it can lead to changes in brain chemistry, it can lead to higher risk of Alzheimer's dementia down the line. These things that we're not thinking of in the moment, we just want to be skinny, but actually, we can't like the long-term health implications are quite invisible. And that is what I think is really scary. And that's what I think we need to address. Like, it has a knock-on effect on everything. And these results that you're getting this way, like you're not gonna be able to maintain that long term, but actually, you are completely destroying your health in the process.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

And I think obviously, in terms of touching basin, obviously, you eat less, you lose weight quickly. And what do you lose alongside that straight away? You are absolutely losing a portion of muscle mass. If you are losing this weight loss or this weight loss is happening at a fast speed, your body will adapt and then your energy will be depleted. So just moving around in general will feel more tiring. So, although what you're talking about obviously is fucking important, it's long distance. So people can't see that far down the line. People thinking, oh yeah, that's in 10 years or five years or a few years. But you will notice if you are on minimal calories, you are feeling fatigued. Your hair, your hair will start thinning. Your physique will change and not in the way that you want it to change. Because I know majority of people listening to this podcast don't want to bloody just get skinny and look skinny fat. They want to look lean and looking lean and toned, we need fucking muscle to look toned. But people can just get stuck in this loop of constantly trying to eat less and less and become smaller and individuals, but it's not sustainable, and like you said, it's not healthy.

SPEAKER_02 4:27

I think what I think as well is that people are so desperate to look a s a certain way. And the the approach they take to get there is completely wrong. Because if you if you put the sort of ideal image of what people are looking for in their head, it probably is someone that's very lean with a bit of muscle.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

And even like people that you people aspire to that are super, super lean, they still have muscle. Whereas the approach that they're taking of just eating nothing is like you're not gonna end up looking the way that you want to look.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Let's put it this way: if you lose loads and loads of weight and you just end up with a flat pancake bum, my my guesses are no one wants that. Majority of people don't want this flat pancake bum because they want muscle there. So that's the ideal. Like you need muscle in order to get your dream physique. Where if we are doing this restriction, you are now losing this muscle.

SPEAKER_02 5:16

Yeah. And the scary thing is, is that it's very easy to lose muscle, very hard to gain it back, especially if you are, if you're someone that's just dieting by being incredibly restrictive, then the chances are that you're gonna rebound because it's not sustainable. And you're putting on you put on fat. You've lost muscle, you will regain fat, and your metabolism becomes less and less efficient down the line, and that almost turns into a vicious cycle. And this is how people get stuck in fad diet, binge restrict cycle for most of their entire lives. And I just feel like we're we're circling back there right now. Like we had a bit of time where strong was cool, strong was strong was the aesthetic. Yeah, but all of a sudden we've like circled straight back to like let's all look as skinny as possible, let's look weak and heroin cheek, bones, and I don't I don't get the draw.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

Don't get me wrong, I was once in that place. I remember on my bedroom wall, I would have pro-anna. Do you remember pro-anna? So pro-anorexic little pictures on my wall of models, and they were from like pro-anorexic websites, and I wanted bones, but it's also a tap in the sense that it becomes so normal, so mainstream, and then people we get we desensitize to it. And that's the issue I have got is that we have desensitized ourselves to what is healthy and what isn't, and that's where we're coming back to.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

And I think I look back at myself when I was like 16, 17, they're probably younger than that, maybe like 14, 14 to 16. And I'd look at all the Victoria's Secret models. Yeah. Like, oh my god, I want to look like that. Like, why can't I look like that? So look at them now, and I'm like, they're all stick thin. And they look like they also have bums. They have not all of them.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Do they not? Not all of them.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

But I'm gonna say, like, we've got like just is it Giselle? Giselle.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

Is that running sunning up? She's got quite a like a booty dunk.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

I mean, they they're like for sure more healthy looking than a lot of the models back in the 2000s. Yeah. But it's just crazy to think that like you look back on that now and think, how did I think that that looked so good back then? But as you say, like we become desensitized to it. It's just like it's fashion, it's what's trendy at the time. And this is also what concerns me because maybe skinny talk heroin chic is having a bit of a moment. Like, who knows? Like that this might not last very long. Maybe three, four, five years, everyone wants to be henched and built again. But as we said, at what cost you can't see what you're doing to your health now, but down the line, it's gonna catch up with you.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Someone had a post on Instagram the other day, and I obviously, for starters, before anyone comes at me, I obviously love Pilates, but it was saying Pilates is trending and macho latte is trending and skinny is trending again. And then do you know what be trending in five years? Rosis, because ultimately people are stopping strength training or they're stopping fueling their body in the right way. And at what cost?

SPEAKER_02 8:16

Yeah, so we talk about did I kind of you kind of did, but should we want to go through this as a little bit? And okay, if we go beyond body composition, because this is really, as I said, this is where I have the issue because people are only thinking about what they look like. They're not thinking of what's happening beyond that. We need to talk about, and I think it's important to educate on what is happening internally if you go to a place of low energy availability where you're highly restrictive with your calories and what can happen to your system if this goes on for weeks or months. So chronic underfueling. I equate chronic underfueling to I would say anything that is below your BMR. So your BMR is what you're burning at rest. Literally, if you were to wake up, stay in your bed, and do nothing all day, it's what your essential organs and insides need for your body to function. So chronic underfueling is anything below this. For example, for me, I think mine's about 1300, 1400. So if I was to put my calories below 1300 calories, my entire system would take a hit, right? My hormones would take a hit. You can see disruptions, as I said, in your menstrual cycle. I have been there in the past, even on calories higher than my BMR. And this is one of the clearest signs that your body isn't being supported properly. And this is probably one of the first things that is an indicator as to something is going wrong. And before you lose your period completely, you might see cycle irregularities, like lengthening of your cycle. It becomes longer and longer and longer until it disappears completely. Cortisol levels can rise, which means we are putting our body in a chronically stressed state. And obviously, we've talked about before, like cortisol is a good thing, but when it's chronically elevated, that's not a good thing. Your thyroid function can also down-regulate. So this means that your metabolism is not as efficient and you burn less and less calories at rest. We've talked about this a lot before. When you're even when you're just in a normal diet, we naturally move less. So, like, even me talking with my hands is probably not something that I would do if I was in a very low energy availability state. Um, so obviously, this means that you then have to eat less and less to see that result because your metabolism is slowing down. And this again, you end up in a vicious cycle where you're on less and less food. Um, your energy levels are obviously going to be highly impacted. Things will feel very slow. It'll be hard to literally get yourself off the sofa. Your mood will be disrupted, you'll probably find yourself very irritable, not very excited or motivated for life. Brain fog becomes a thing, mental clarity is not there. So while from the outside, maybe someone that's looking really like they've lost a lot of weight or like they've become very skinny, it might look to you as they're being really disciplined or like they're really on track, or it looks very glamorous to you because, like, oh my god, they've lost all this weight, their body is probably screaming.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Oh mate, 100%. Sorry, I was just literally like Yeah, and one of the most serious and often overlooked consequences is actually bone health. Because when you are seriously consistently under eating, particularly alongside a low body fat percentage and inadequate nutrition, your body doesn't have enough resources. It needs just to maintain strong and healthy bones. And over time, this can really heavily lead to reduced bone mineral density, increasing the risk of osteopenia, and eventually osteoporosis. And that is not something that just affects you in the distant future. It will build over time, often suddenly, and it becomes a real fucking issue. We're talking about increased risk of fractures in bone density issues with your hips, even just movement in general, getting off a fucking sofa, for example. Weaker skeletal structure issues and long-term health complications that will not reverse overnight. So they don't just stop when you decide to eat more. You have now built that into your system. And I guess that's the part people don't see when they're just trying to chase that smaller body in a short amount of time. They don't see those few years down the line of what it can really do for someone.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

Yeah, I wish, I wish we could see, because people would probably behave completely, completely differently. But unfortunately, we just always think about what we want to look like in the short term and like what we can achieve in the short term. And we just think like, well, that's future Tash's problem, that's future Emma's problem. But no, your future self is looking at you now and begging you to take the right approach. And there is absolutely a right approach that you can take. And as we said, the body that you really desire probably does come with a little bit more muscle. And I think when we look at what we desire from our body, it's not just look, we have to think of it as a whole. Like, I want a body that looks fucking great, but I also want to be able to run. Yeah. I want to be able to have enough energy to like if slash when I have kids, I'll be able to pick them up and run around with them. And it doesn't matter if I fall over or I go skiing and I have a crash, like I'm not, I'm not gonna be at risk of like breaking a bone or injuring myself.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Let's put it this way: say you do go skiing, you break a bone, and you can't walk for six months. Your mental health now is an impact of what you've just done prior. Do you know what I'm saying? Because now you are feeling you are isolated from the world. You aren't able to do the things with your friends. It's not just your aesthetics, it's become more than that from your whole life and it's changed your whole life.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

Yeah, and that's why I think we should look at our body as a yeah, I want to look a certain way, but how do I want to feel? Yeah. How do I want to show up? And actually, who do I want to be, as opposed to just what do I want to look like on the surface? Because if you look great, but feel absolutely shit. I'm sure like you've been there. I've been there in like a diet that has been very restrictive, very intense.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

It's not worth it. Also, like even just skin, like you don't look great. No, your fucking hair looks like yeah, like it's not sexy. Like you might look good on a fucking well, I don't know, 10 feet away. But when you come up close, it's all a fucking mess.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

God, you're a mess. Um, no, it's so true. And I think it's for what as well? Because I think also the people that are chasing like let's look really skinny, it's over a couple of kilos. Let's be honest. Like those are the it's over a couple of kilos, and actually, I would much rather enjoy my life and live a quality life and have a body that's a fucking weapon and is able to do all the things that I want it to do and actually look at my body and be like, I'm strong, I'm so capable, I can do all of these things. I can go skiing, I can ride a bike, I can ride a horse without fear of like falling and breaking a bone because I put in the work and I'm powerful.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

But it's empowering to be powerful. It's not empowering to be weak piss shit weak, weak piss shit, weak, weak piss weak piss shit, piss weak. There we go. It's not empowering. When you lift a barbell and it's heavy and you're feeling that strength and you know that you are underneath quite a heavy load, you feel empowered when you drive that back up. You lift a couple of kg but dumbbells, it doesn't feel as empowering. When I do my lap raises, I'm not empowered. They're not that heavy.

SPEAKER_02 15:21

No, it depends, it depends on the shoulder pump.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Oh well, like the shoulder the aftermath. But you know, if I'm lifting like a lighter not working for me, give me a heavy barbell, I feel empowered, I feel strong, I feel like I can comp accomplish things in life. But it goes outside of just the gym, right? So then you start feeling like you can accomplish more in life in general. But when you feel lethargic, when you feel small and weak and brittle, I'm not walking up to this world with my head held high, feeling like I can accomplish whatever I put my mind to. I feel exactly how I look. So I know we wanted to touch base on a Zempech. Do you want to touch base on a Zempech?

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Because I think obviously that is hugely trending right now. And both myself and Dash are pretty pro with the GLP ones. But the problem we've got is obviously not the drug itself, it's how it's being used and essentially the things people aren't doing in their life alongside the drug.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

Yeah, I mean it's like like we said at the beginning, people are faking their BMIs to get doses of GLPs. And I genuinely, yeah, I'm I'm pro, but I'm pro for a certain population that really, really need it. It's almost I it's kind of feeling a bit like to me at the moment. Do you know when do you remember when continuous glucose monitors were like a massive thing? Yeah. And everyone was wearing them. Yeah. And actually people who needed them, type 1 diabetics, were not able to get them because everyone, they became so trendy, and then there was like a shortage. So I'm kind of feel like GLP ones are heading down that same path where so many people who actually don't need them are taking them. And to me, I think in the population that don't need them and that are taking them, they are masking some forms of disordered eating or breeding kind of like a new eating disorder, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

If we look at celebrities, I think a lot of this does really stem from what we see generally day-to-day. Obviously, celebrities are shrinking. And they are obviously, well, I would say very big percentage of them are using some sort of form of medication because they are getting so skinny and so lean. I think my issue is that you've got people with horrific food noise that really struggle to get a Kickstarter or get this, use this as a catalyst for a healthy lifestyle. But when we're seeing the people that are using them and they're not doing any other work, but they're also using them and they are already in a healthy range for body fat, what are you trying to achieve? Like there is health through these medications. You can absolutely start a healthy regime. But if you are abusing the system or abusing the drug, this is gonna come at a cost long term. Where are we going with this?

SPEAKER_02 18:00

It's like, I mean, it's just like chronically dieting and chronically underfueling yourself. Like that's not good for you long term. And this is what I am seeing with people that don't need this drug. Like, this is what's happening, like eating less than 800 calories a day.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

But that's it, they're literally not eating.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Yeah. And it's like no protein whatsoever, not prioritizing the nutrients that their body needs. Like, that's not even that's not even sort of like that doesn't even come into the picture yet because they're just not eating anything. And I just think it's I'm not sure. I think we're gonna see and well, as you said, like five years' time, osteoporosis is gonna be trending.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

Also, I feel like I've got a bit of an issue with even people that do need the drug that are literally not willing to take the lifestyle advice or take the different changes that they need to implement within their lifestyle for long-term um, I guess, goals and for those to keep the goals that they're currently or that they are getting with a Zempic. Because if they're not willing to do that, then you are probably gonna f find yourself fighting backwards and it's gonna be pretty fucking quick. And chances are you're gonna waste a hell of a lot of money. I know a lot of people on these drugs, and I don't know, I better not say that, I was gonna say my brother. But people that I am very close to and they've come off and they've put weight back on because they're not willing to do the work. I actually had a really amazing, they won't listen to this podcast, it doesn't really matter, but I had an amazing chat with someone that's a family friend the other day, and he was like, Yeah, it's great, because I don't, you know, I can't get to the gym, I don't have the time for that. And I literally looked at him and I was like, Yeah, but you're not doing anything. And he went, No, but I have gained 4kg, and I went, How long have you been off? He's like, Oh, a couple of weeks. And I'm like, You're not seeing this as a trend, what's gonna happen? You are now gonna start, and it and it's really hard. People don't want to hear that. People don't want to, I guess, sometimes take not criticism, but it's constructive, but they also feel like this is the magic answer, it's gonna solve all your problems. You come off that drug because realistically, people aren't gonna be able to afford this forever. I think it's got up to like if depending on your dosage, but like you can be like 400 pounds per month. Really? Yeah, in America, it's more.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Yeah, God, coaching seems like a very cheap option. But do you know what I'm saying? Like that can be you wouldn't be able to afford to live on that. No, and do you know what I think is is is an issue, is as you said, like he's like, Oh, this is great because I don't have any time to go to the gym. It's not replacement. And if you're not, as we said, willing to put in these lifestyle interventions, you're going to lose muscle when you come off it. You're gonna be in a worse place metabolically, you're gonna gain back fat mass, you're gonna find it harder and harder to then lose that weight because your metabolism is not as efficient, you've got less muscle, and we're just gonna we're gonna breed a population of incredibly under-muscled, undernourished humans. We're gonna be walking around like zombies.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

I mean, the world's fucked anyway. We're all gonna be walking around like zombies.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Just wait till this is quite a dark episode. Right. So I want to shift the conversation a little bit because I feel also wanna stay. We're both fat loss coaches. We're not here to say that you can't lose fat and get leaner because that's kind of what we do and what we earn our money from. It's a completely valid goal, but there is definitely a massive difference between saying getting lean in a way that supports your body and then chasing really skin or skinny look, skin and bones. It's just it's not healthy. In that way, it slowly breaks it down, and we want to focus on being stronger, not smaller. But when you bring that focus in, you'll accept that when your focus is just being smaller, you'll accept anything that gets you to your goal. And you're like, fuck it, I'll do whatever. I think that's basically how all fucking eating disorders approach, you know, how they arise. Like definitely been through that phase where I would do anything to be skinny, but not even it was a tap to mentality. And this is my problem is that it's becoming more accessible or more in our face, and it it's not, it's it's bones. It's no. fat mass. You know, I'm lean at the moment, but I've got fucking muscle there. Do you know what I mean? And like it's just a bone of a shoulder. Don't tell me that that's sexy because it ain't sexy. No. Also I think if I don't have any muscle on my shoulders, how am I gonna put the barbell on my back? No, no, that's hurt. And then people moan about how it hurts your neck. Well placement, but yeah, it's it's it's gonna hurt. It's trust pads or just anything. Like sitting down on a chair. Sex. I mean I don't know how that would hurt if you had less or you just feel like weak and feel like you're no riding rodeo.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

Do you know what when I was uh weakness that we have sex story. No, we'll keep that for the bedroom. When I was when I was a week out from prep I would get massages every week because I was like always in pain and just like obviously chronically underfueling. Those last the last week the last couple of weeks of prep when I would get massages I felt like if she pushed too hard or had too much pressure I honestly felt like I was gonna crack. Like I felt that weak and I think from being in that position like there's nothing nothing is worth that no looking that way. And genuinely I didn't really look that different honestly that's how I look those you you look different but in uh I looked like I I looked undernourished. I looked too skinny okay yeah I just I didn't I didn't have enough muscle. I'll tell you what's interesting you've got so much more muscle now I know it's great wild food does. Yeah it's good what food does but also it's just like what what that comes with and what that brings like confidence energy and and this is what we're saying like you can look a certain way and feel a certain way. Do it the right way like do it in a healthy way that's not like restricting you or running you into the ground or leaving you in a state of low energy availability like actually you can be in a calorie deficit but a mild calorie deficit that helps you lose weight gradually but you're not starving yourself and you're still actually giving your body enough food you're giving your muscles enough food enough protein that you're not going to lose muscle like you're just gonna lose body fat and actually your metabolism becomes more efficient over time. And if you lose weight that way it's like for example look at you like you've got so much muscle you're super lean and look at you now like you haven't needed to diet in fucking over a year. You're like getting leaner because you've got so much muscle your metabolism is in so much my maintenance is as high as it's been in two years.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Because you've created a catabolic environment catabolic catabolic anabolic yeah exactly and you can be fucking lean and strong like this is my point is that look if we're not looking I know when people sign up to coaching and they might send me what they're like this is my dream for ZCAM and I'm like yeah I get it I totally get it. It's got muscle it's toned it's not just like a size six with hard with flabbiness. It's not that it's hard you know it's got definition it's got a bar it's not just a leg that's just straight with wobble it's not that and so you can approach your fat loss with a headspace of I want to build strength. I want to keep my muscle I want to look and feel fucking incredible. You don't need to fight against it. You can feel your body the right way. You know making sure you're getting enough protein. What myself and Tasha would always suggest is around two grams per kg of body weight. So that at least will help maintain the amount of muscle mass you already have. Obviously if you're new to training then you might build a slight small amount but train with purpose like literally train like you are trying to build like don't go into the gym like you're in a diet. Don't go into the gym like you are trying to lift light weights go into the gym like you are in a bulk and you are consuming 5,000 fucking calories. Go into the gym with purpose that you are going to hit a PB or you are going to reach another level. Personally speaking I always suggest a minimum of three training sessions per week for clients. I don't think realistically I wouldn't like to have someone on less than three. Sometimes life is shit and we have to drop to two anything is better than nothing. So it's definitely worth it. I think three is a good place to be but then your body has a reason to hold onto that muscle if you're training with intensity and then keeping that like calorie deficit like Tash says in a moderate rather than an extreme area so you can actually sustain it without burning down and breaking out and eating proper balanced meals and not just picking at snacks and chocolate and looking at little protein bars, actually sitting down and having a fucking balanced meal for fuck's sake like you're adults at the end of the day everyone listening to this podcast is an adult eat like a fucking adult sympathy level zero. But we do we need to we need to nourish it like it's I know it sounds so simple on paper but if we're not doing that we are leading ourselves to have deficiencies in any way shape or form.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

And it is simple. I always say fat loss is simple but it's not easy. No because actually to do it the right way requires a lot of fucking work.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

And preparation and organization.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

And I mean unfortunately most people in society just are not willing to do that work. And if a lot of people are honest with themselves like you're probably just you're probably just not willing to do the work and actually do you really want it enough if you're not willing to do the work and like I don't know where I'm going.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

No I feel like that's true though. I feel like a lot of people want it on the outside but then they realise actually it's quite fucking hard and actually you know it's very much doable don't get me wrong and it doesn't have to be extreme but I think people haven't got the patience. No. And that's the issue is that people want it now and they want to see a kg drop a week. I'm sorry but fuck on.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

Do you think that some of that has to do with how diet culture has shaped our society as well.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

No I also think it's about like the fact that people talk about losing a kg a week and the fact that they might be weighing a hundred kg and then a 60 kg person thinks that they're gonna do the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

Yeah but I also think that because of like the way that we've grown up that the way that we've seen our parents like all of the all of the diet messaging until more recently has been like eat nothing, do this, lose this in this amount of time, do that in that amount of time. Whereas we have now we're in a new era where it's very much like how can we sustain this lifestyle forever to keep your body improving forever but that I think people don't want if if someone's been living their life a certain way forever, there's gonna be a lot of resistance to pushing back on that. Which is why I think the Zempic GLPs have done so well because they are this thing that you can just take and you don't have to you don't want to change anything. You don't have to change anything you'll still lose weight but it's like what's your body gonna look like at the end of that it's not gonna look like how you want it to look.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

But don't you think it's just a general thing that we want things now.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

A lot of people want things now like even if we could say here's a million pounds you don't have to do any work for it. There you go. Chances are you're gonna say that would be nice that would be great. Thank you very much. Um but that is a case like we we were impatient. We have you know we're quite accessible in this world we have AI for fuck's sake we have internet we have things that can get delivered to our doorstep we don't even need to leave the house anymore. Fuck me I love to buy you don't need to think about anything it's all done for you. You don't even need to fill up your gas no it's wild.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

But I like I d I do agree and I think we're it's we're a society that's become too comfortable and we've become too used to the fact that we can have everything in a like at the click of our phone and actually as humans I think we seek we seek comfort like from an evolutionary perspective because that wasn't always the case. Like we would a lot of the times like be running from fucking tigers and foraging our own food and like you wouldn't be safe sleeping at night because you think you'd get mauled by some wild animal. So now that everything is comfortable and we're safe and we have an environment where we don't need to move or do a lot to get our basic needs that we need for survival our bodies naturally aren't going to do anything if they don't need to I feel like we have to actually now seek out discomfort. We have to seek out work. We have to actively we have to be proactive in doing things that are hard because otherwise like who are like who are we? We're just gonna be like shells of lazy fucking people that do nothing but sloth, inject ourselves with medications, sit on the sofa, watch Netflix.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

Get osteoporosis like that does not sound like the life that I want no way no bloody way. I like the challenge like I mentally need that stimulation. I do I like that mental mental challenge like pushing myself out of my comfort zone. I like feeling like I can do anything. That makes me feel so much more accomplished in life than being a size six. Yeah and I think we or getting to a size six in a few weeks.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

I think we need that what shapes us as incredible humans. There's no one that I know that's incredibly successful that does not really put a big emphasis on this part of their life and I just don't respect anyone that doesn't want to put in the work.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

No I totally agree.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

And I just why would you want to aspire to that why would you want to aspire to doing the least when you should be putting yourself out there putting yourself into uncomfortable situations and that's how you grow as a human and we we have to actively fight against the environment that we've created for ourselves I think.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Yeah and I think it's getting easier and easier to fall into the habit of doing nothing and if unless we really participate in being extraordinary humans and pushing ourselves out of our comfort zone we will become more reliant on technology we'll become more reliant on AI and as sad as that is that'll actually long term be really not very beneficial for us as humans like in general we are going to be out of work. Do you know what I mean? This could be like a place where we are starting to rely on things that we need to be proactive for.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

Well our brains will turn to mush yeah we're gonna be as I said we're gonna be zombies walking zombies but I think I think it's again it goes back to sort of like wanting to be super skinny and thinking you just want that right now and doing whatever it takes to get that without thinking about the long term consequence and doing whatever it takes in that moment and just choosing what you can do in that moment for an immediate result and not thinking okay this is literally going to destroy my health long term we choose comfort every single day as a society not thinking about what that is going to do to our health long term and I'm a big believer that comfort kills and if we just do one thing even just like one small thing that requires discipline every single day is it long term we're gonna have so much more freedom such a greater quality of life if we choose discipline today as opposed to thinking oh no I'm not gonna go to the gym today I'm gonna sit on the sofa and watch this like that choice doesn't feel like a lot in the moment but actually long term like that's killing you faster.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

Yeah and those habits over years or over months they will add up and it will mean that you never get your training sessions in you don't prioritize your food and nutrition and you are jeopardizing your health and I think if we really look at the the detail in the fact that if someone isn't actually doing those small habits daily you are affecting yourself in a couple of years time. But people again going back to that just they want that immediate effect but at the end of the day if you are feeling that pull right now maybe if you're seeing the trend or comparing yourself questioning whether you should be eating less drinking more getting smaller you've got to take a step back and kind of ask yourself what you want long term because the chances are that you want to feel good and look good. And if you are doing a drastic diet you could be in a bad position and it's not just for the next few weeks it's in the next few years of your life okay because I'm pretty sure that you want to still be around here in a couple of years. But trends will come and go and your body is not a fucking trend. It is something you obviously carry with you for life. It's so important that you invest time money love into your body because you don't get a fucking other one. It's this not just your body but your mindset and just a touch base before we finish this episode is that restrictive dieting and dieting in general not only does it affect your body your health and your you know how you look on the outside but it affects what's going on mentally and how you perceive yourself. And there's also a thing and me and Tess spoken about this years ago when we were both in cuts that you never feel lean enough. You never feel like you are lean enough and that's from two coaches but it's an honest opinion like you start dieting and then you're like oh I could just shave a couple more kg off and it's like when does it stop you know so I think it's chasing the temporary ideal at the expense of your long term health is definitely not a trade worth making.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

No and I think what you said there is like your body your body is not a trend. No that is so important like your body isn't a trend. This is the home that you hopefully will live in and thrive in for years and years and years and years, decades, multiple decades to come. And as we touched base on like don't just think about how you look when you're assessing your goals like think about how you look and how do you want to feel at the same time because there's a big difference between a body that looks a certain way but feels shit and a body that you can still feel confident in and lose weight get lean keep the weight off do it the right way and feel fucking amazing and that is a that's a body that I would choose every single time over and coming from someone that has been there and that has looked a certain way but felt absolutely shit on the inside I will never go back there. So so choose strength choose fuel choose a body that works with you not against you because yes being lean is great and as we say we you can be lean but we also want to be strong energized and healthy right that is the real goal.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

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