Ep 6: The Power of Audacious Moves with Caren Cooper

In this heartfelt and unfiltered episode of Midlife Audacity, Celeste reconnects with her longtime friend, Caren Cooper — a woman who embodies what it means to live boldly and unapologetically in midlife.

Caren opens up about her journey of leaving corporate America, navigating divorce, finding her voice through deep healing, and stepping into her power with her first TEDx Talk. Together, they unpack what audacity really means — and how it’s not always about making huge, flashy moves. Sometimes, it’s the quiet recommitments to yourself that are the most courageous of all.

✨ Key Takeaways:

• Audacity isn’t always big — it can be a micro move that honors your truth.
• Leaving corporate life (or any old identity) is less about reinvention and more about coming home to yourself.
• The healing journey is messy, emotional, and so worth it — because the work works when you work it.
• True friendships and sisterhood are anchors through transition and transformation.
• When you do the inner work, your outer world begins to align in ways you couldn’t have planned.

Tune in to be inspired by a story of courage, authenticity, and self-evolution — and to remember that your most audacious chapter might just be beginning.

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Transcript

Hey hey, welcome back to another episode of midlife audacity. I am super excited tonight because I am bringing on one of my old friends that I had met probably eight or nine years ago when we get to talk and we'll kind of discuss how we actually crossed paths, but my guest today is Caren Cooper and I have her on because she truly embodies the journey that I think so many women are on, its that Journey of where, where am I going? And how do I get there? And she shares her story. Always in such a real and authentic way. You will hear Karen does hold back. She shares from the heart, she speaks from the heart. She's not filtered and that's one of the things that I love about her. And she has left the corporate world. She was moving into an entrepreneurship journey and was also navigating in between all of that navigating a divorce. And then finally, most recently stepped into such a powerful experience of being on stage and doing a TED talk live so that she could get her message out into the world. And I'm so excited to talk and reconnect with her because it's been quite a while and really get into some of the background of how this journey unfolded. How she's navigated all this in her 50s and what it's like to really step into that bold Unapologetic, audacious self. So with that, welcome Karen. Oh my God. That was like the best intro ever. You are so welcome. It's so fun to have you back. We were just connecting a bit
it before we hit record because Caren and I met, I want say like eight years ago, maybe maybe 10 years ago, I'm not exactly sure. I I well I started, I said 10 years, 10 years ago. Okay. So I started in 2014. Yeah, I started is 10 years ago so we must have probably at 10 years, probably 10 8 9, 10 years ago. Yeah. So we had met on, I had shared you guys. I was in a network marketing company, Karen and I met in that network marketing company. And we have coached with similar people along that journey and one of the mentors that Karen has worked very closely with was someone that I also had worked with for a period of Tracy Litt. Some you may know her and we really bonded through the years because we were able to share a lot of our experiences in life. And we were able to resonate with each other I think for for a period of time. And, you know, that is that is a cool thing. When you meet people on your journey, that share similar things, and then you're also upleveling and growing and you're watching each other up level and grow together. It's a really powerful and inspiring thing have and not a lot of women have that, not a women are part of those circles. And so I regard that as being something pretty special, and I have treasured so much the relationships that I have built. in these last 12 years with women just like you Yeah, I have to very much agree with all of that sentiment and I what I love about it too, is that it's the support and the and the camaraderie, right? Yeah. True supporting. And here's a fact for you. The only person that came to see at my tattoo, which fine by the way, you know, it I say only but, like, was Gayle and Gayle is another person who we, all know, who sells am I both know from network marketing that we've all the company together and since like, to your point, Celestial, and I had become very good friends. I'm actually I visited her office in Pennsylvania, things like that. And I think, what I'm finding is actually at this age also is Um, I don't know what would do with those female friendships. Yeah, I agree. I agree. That is such a powerful point because I that there's a lot of female relationships that are surface level, and then there those deep Relationships right? The Deep relationships where are like your ride and die people, right, right. The people that you could ultimately super honest with and not feel the shame or the guilt or the jealousy or a resentment any of those low Vibe energy feelings like right you could just be yourself. And not even just be yourself and not even like be honest, but get that all right? So like I mentioned before we would talk like my, my friends that speak to every week Janine, Sheila Joanne and and Going through the season that going through right now but they've never blown smoke up my ass either. So like as as honest I've vulnerable I've with them because vulnerability the role like they like been like very truthful, very honest and support right back to me and I that's all like the beauty of women friendships is, is we will support each will a writer dies, but will also Okay, be so truthful and honest with at time, you what I'm And that's what I love Annie. It could deep it be like so such so, so right, so good. So but it be fun every day because that's part the point. And it's just and it's gorgeous. And it's just beautiful is beautiful. Beautiful abundant friendships. Yes, yes, yes, I agree with all of that wholeheartedly, so Given that this podcast is called midlife. Audacity I wanted you on because I know that you have made some audacious moves in your last couple of years. So let's let's start with like the word audacious. Like when think of that word or when hear that word. What is that mean to you? Do, you can consider yourself, do consider some moves you've made audacious? I didn't until we saw the talk game, I'll be honest with you. I kind of didn't like until I started to look back and be holy s***. Um, because there are, you I like damn um boy, oh Jesus. I actually, I don't think it's a word that we use. Enough like it's not a virgin here often and it happens to be like even when hear the word it feels like it's like a giant. It's like, when you hear it, can't explain it. And so I think really what audacious means to me, it's a I'm one to who you are, right? So that being audacious is being true to who you are. Right? Because that not a of people, you know, we try fit a square package around a lot of and we hide shrink and we do all the various to do that, but it's also audacious moves and a of times when you think about audacious, it's big, right? Because it's big, massive monstrous. Yeah. But to sometimes, the audacious move is actually. a You know, for example, yes, I did. I did a post today about recruitment, like, I have worked out in months and like, so, my, my commitment was, I'm gonna up and, you know, take a around my neighborhood today and that's audacious is to the to yourself, right? It's so small Microsoft doesn't necessarily have to be big. It's really Audacious is staying true to you are and doing what you say you're to do. Yes, 100%. And that's such a great point. And I wanted bring that up that when I hear the word audacious, I automatically think big and you're right. It feels like a heavy word. It almost feels a bit like unachievable, right? Because it's, it's so big that to me. It always felt very scary. And I believe that when I first heard the word, I had like little bit of a negative connotation with it, associated with it, like, you know, who is she, she is some audacity to act like that and I I admittedly attached a negative connotation to audacious and it wasn't until recently when I had started hearing the word used in in a positive way of part of Kathy Heller's membership Mastermind and we had whole month that centered around audacity and Tracy lit had come in and done one the sessions with us and in that moment in that in that experience I realized that audacity is about being true to yourself. No how big or small that promise is Right? And you had just mentioned such a beautiful example of like that recommitment. and, It doesn't have be always these big moves, it can be micro moves, and macro moves. And so, I want women out there, I want you guys to know that it doesn't have to have this big heavy meaning behind it, it doesn't have to be this big boulder that you are powerlifting up. A hill. It can be a pebble that you simply decide to pick up and move. Right, exactly, right. And that's to that's just so empowering to know that it doesn't have to have that big heavy connotation or that negative connotation. However, you might have seen that word, you being used before or if you've it yourself. And I, when I was thinking about, you know, having you on and having this conversation, I remember when we first met one of the audacious moves that I was thinking that you experienced is when you left the corporate world. And that is an audacious move and that's a big one. That's a big one. So can you talk a bit about what that felt like? And I know that there was uncertainty involved in that, Right. Um, it wasn't even like I, it wasn't planned the truth of matter is my leaving corporate was not a plan thing I had I had lost my job and I turning 50 and that created like a bit of bit who am if I'm not mom and I had for you, had found the freelance position after that, and I was in early 50s at that time and my freelance position ended actually a weeks after covid. Hit. And and and and the project that I working on and we wasn't going renewed. So in January of 2020 you the writing on wall and so we know and I'm I know if I like look for another job again. Like I just didn't know what I could And at that I a years into a years into Isagenix. And I wasn't really earning a with it, to honest with you. So yeah, my corporate salary was really my salary, right? But when what really solidified, I just couldn't, I had done some interviews and I just was like, I, I can't do this anymore. I had been in the corporate world from 91 to 2020, and I worked in the advertising industry and, you know, we worked hard and played hard and was fabulous. I have, you know, I have nothing and I actually met. So I've through yeah, I was a straight phone back. Um, so it was awesome until it wasn't, you And so I made the that I'm not going to pursue and advertising. Also got hit by covid. know I'm saying like the budget for sure. So. So so the was kind of made for The funny thing is the I look at it, too. By way, when I lost my job, when I 50 I like I didn't take the message from the universe to it then right. I didn't I didn't take the universe was me. Hi maybe you try doing like you Isagenix all then and I didn't. And this was my opportunity this time. I like okay I hear you and this was my opportunity to do so. that was kind what what my thought process was like. Okay, I'll become an entrepreneur. A did Oh that it was in as easy as I thought it. 

No way, right? Like you you go in I think a of people go into entrepreneurship. With this expectation that it's going to be everything that corporate life or the professional life that you had. It's not, you know everything that you thought you didn't like about those positions entrepreneurship was gonna somehow be the answer. Yes, and I also, like, well, I'm discipline. I can get stuff done, right? I had, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, get stuff done. You know, I'm a media supervisor. I worked on the system so I'd I got stuff done. You what mean? I know I was doing, but when you're an entrepreneur, and don't have to work for anyone, That was the biggest. Now is one the biggest aha moments. I'm like, I'm not as you I thrived in the chaos, quite frankly. And when it was in chaotic, oh God, I no idea what the to this. Yeah, yeah, that I think that that's very natural. That's very natural. And then you step into this entrepreneurship world and you not only have to have the skill set because the entrepreneur skill set is very different than the employee skill set, right? So, you have have a new skill set, you have to all, so be driven by the passion that you of you are creating or what you are selling or what you are promoting. In any way, shape, or whenever whatever lean of Entrepreneurship, you're going down, right? You have to have this 100% belief and passion in it, because it's so easy, then not to do with the thing. that's going to wing to get you to write freedom and The Liberation and the excitement that you We're setting yourself up for in the first place. Yes, and also believe in yourself. So, I believe that everything. But like what I to realize Was and how the Tracy lib came into my Was that I it was a, I had a where I'm like, why am I not doing the thing? Right? Like, I loved what was doing. Mm-hmm. And I lived it but I wasn't doing the. Do I just truthfully was in doing it and I'm like, what is going on? But I intuitively all so new that it was me like, I know. Hi, I'm the problem. It's me. I actually knew that about myself. Were you Taylor Swift? Write, I tell us you know, I operate in Solar lyrics and I know I didn't know this how my brain operates but that's but that's I knew I needed at that point was doing. I will say surface love of personal development and I knew I needed a deeper dive into what was going on within me. That was not allowing me forward in a way that I knew I wanted to and I was capable of doing that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I that way. Yeah. Because you know what? Like you see the grass being greener on the other side so to speak, right? But if you don't put in the work, the time, the energy, the commitment to working on yourself. So that you could heal yourself from within, then you're going to probably have the same level of success or unsuccess that you had working your day job, right? So you could leave, it's like someone who searching for love like you can leave and go to another state, but that's not solving the problem because you're taking with you the same 1.0 version of yourself just to another state. So you're taking the same 1.0 version of you from corporate and you're just bringing it to entrepreneurship and expecting it to look different and it's not going to look different. Every time you change these roles, you have to shift the identity in which you see yourself, right? No. It's always this software upgrade. And every time you make these Audacious moves whether they're micro or macro. It's a tiny upgrade. Right? And you're updating the software. Always always. Always that why. That's why the journey never really ends. There's destination. There's they're there. I was right. Never, there's there's never there, right? So you're constantly doing that. That's what better mint is. That's what self-improvement is and within that within those little tiny identity upgrades, right? Your internal self as it shifts and grows and expands guess what. Also happens, your external World reflects that which brings us to this fabulous. Next moment for you because you spent a lot time working on your self, you spend time you hire Tracy lit. You were in her Mastermind. Your are you still in her Mastermind? I am not, but I am sorry. I am a certified. No, identity Evolution. Back conditioner. I am certified in her framework. That's amazing. So you've taken her programs and you've become certified in that work. And so you in turn worked on yourself. And so, now as a result of that, internal Identity shift, certain things have happened in your life, right? 

Yeah. You've left your husband. And you've done this Ted Talk. And so I want to hear about both of these things because those things Karen. I know because I've known you for so long. Yeah. You know things would not have been happening. Had you not said yes to these little micro and macro software upgrades. So talk about that a bit. No question. No the literally no question the work works when you work at 100% of the time. No question. And yeah I had I had I had my one of my audacious most saying yes to chase his program and spending that kind of, I've never spent that kind of money before and in doing her program and being in her world. One of the questions she asked, was what are tolerating? And I was like, well damn. And my ex and had been our marriage had been following for quite some time and neither one of us quite frankly had the balls to do anything about it and with that question I was like, yeah. And it still took me months, quite frankly, that I that was like I was like the fall and it was like March the next following year, that we finally decided to to end the marriage. So yeah, three and a half year about three and a half ago is by me and did the Merit when we just made the decision to end the marriage. Because there's a point when, you know, and then there's a point where you become audacious enough to take the steps. Yeah. And we know, yeah, we were we neither one of us were had the audacious. We didn't have it and then one day like I said it, finally got to the point where you know I recognized this in myself and other and other people that work with all, when you're ready and willing to make the change, that's when it happened and it just won't otherwise. And and so I was, it was time. And so that happened three and a half years ago All, um, and you know that there was lot, there's a to that and see us that was the that was the first locations move. And we now have made the decision to now move forward without divorce and selling of the marital home and in doing that. So, probably, so with that. So, that is three and a years later, but doing all that led me down another path of reading and feeling feelings and things that I was unaware of. So in I, I didn't know any of that was gonna happen. So I leaned into that. Like, so, as you were talking early on about the healing and feeling, and doing all that, and I did the work, I literally did the work and all of that. And when I said, I finally felt like myself again, 

Is when I got the Ted Talk so and that's no coincidence. No, it's not. It's and what ended up happening with the Ted Talk is I had actually the people listening. I had attended three years ago. I live on Staten Island and the Ted Talk was here. It had X Empire and I attended as a participant three years ago and I was joking this, you know, I should come up on stage. What would my talk be? And was joking about the fact that, you know, it would be, you know, how times I could the word box, because that's my favorite word ever. Okay. And then, and then last year, I decided to volunteer because my friend actually was one of volunteers. So I decided become a volunteer and I did that. I loved it, and it was great. And I stood on stage last year, and I'm like, maybe I'll be on stage next year. And so, this time around, I actually put in to be a speaker. So, I actually did apply to become a speaker on the tedx talk, and I told the woman running it that I was going to do this. She asked me to volunteer again. I said, I said I'd love to, you know, be a speaker. She's like absolutely. Go do it. I wasn't chose it. So I was not initially, chosen to be a speaker and then and that was back in August. While I was still in the midst of my grieving, and feeling all the feelings and feeling like the world is ending, because that's what happens when you become to become give me. So sometimes, and, um, and and then I was more than happy to volunteer again and I was on the volunteering and everything like that. Went into happening was I I'm feeling like myself and I was on a call listening to all the speakers as well as volunteer. You can do that and then they said one had to drop out. So I immediately messaged my friend and I'm like I'll do it and I didn't even think about it. So talk about audaciousness and small. My I didn't even think about it, like I just something in knew that I would be phenomenal on because I'm a speaker. Like, I know that myself and so I didn't even think about it and she's like, I'll talk to her. I'll talk to Daddy Lola. Who runs it? I'm okay. And literally the next day that was Monday night Tuesday, Danny little holes, me. And she like, do want to do it? I'm like, okay, and it was two before, so literally, within two weeks, and I'm not even making this fine line up in any way, is like, so she came, she said said, yes, on a Tuesday, right? And within two weeks I had I had I was giving the topic I had to write this speech, but everything together, kind memorized it and things like that, and then give the TED Talk. And I did and sleep. Incredible incredible and white stands out to me. Karen, is that it is no mistake. That that opening opened up when you were ready to receive, right? And so I speak about this a lot on my social media posts, and in my membership I'm talking to women a lot about how What if everything that you want in life? Is already here, waiting for you. What if it was all here? Waiting for you but you're getting in the way of actually having the vessel open. And receiving it right? Right, because we let our own self-doubt are limitations fear. Commitment, habits past programming old experiences. We let all of that run the show. I love to say this, we give our ego's, the mic, and when we give our ego, the mic, We shy away from. Stepping into our true self. And that's what we talked about at, the very beginning of this show audacity is about stepping in to your truest self and living in that truth. Whether it's micro, or macro decision, you're making on a daily basis. It's about stepping into that truth. So, when you had, Worked on your internal healing from the divorce. And you were able to allow yourself to grieve, which I heard you say, which is so important. Because a lot us spend time positively, we talked about this earlier positively bypassing our emotions, so that we can show up and show up 
in the world as something. We're really not, right? And I did this for long time and I'm still kind of recovering. I catch myself in these moments, because we're both human, we're all human. So I slip into those moments as well. Where I recognize that I am bypassing my emotions and putting on a front because I want people or I want my kids to see X and I'm not feeling that and that, that disallowing me, right? And on truth. Is then reflected out into the world. And when we do that, what we are self, abandoning ourselves and we are bypassing our true emotions. So we can't show up. For if we can't show up for ourselves that we can't possibly show up for anybody else, we can't serve anybody else in it. The capacity that we are meant and designed to do so doors closed and we shut that vessel off, right? I call it. We Kink the hose. I heard that a long time ago, we Kink our own hose we do, right? And I think part of that, I have two things I to add 100, all it, all the things you just said, 100% sure two things. Number one, I think part of that is also the conditioning that you know we're you know we're 50 50, 70 next month. Alright, I'm a true gen xer and like a lot of us was so like I'll give something to cry about. Don't cry and all that. So like we was sold not to feelings and so it's to do so. And a lot of us myself included on noticing people that I work with two, we are, we are Don't want to it anymore. And we're now more in tune without feelings. And, and I think, I cried Rivers. It like unbelievable and it took out, like, I'm not even a lie it. It took me out, I never capacity for a lot things, and I was surprised by it quite frankly because I didn't think that gonna happen. That said, it's funny what you said about showing your kids. One the things actually, my is still in in this house, my daughter lives in Delaware, but like she, and I even now we'll have conversations and I'll be like, you know, and I was actively showing them. My feelings, and how I was feeling because I felt that it was because number one, I feeling it and I gonna hide it anymore. And that's, you what I If you want to hold it was, I was like, I can't I don't want to hide it. Okay. And where amicable? So it's like it's not like you know my son. I hate each and that kind thing. We worked at that point, we were actively worked to be that way. Um and so I literally had a conversation with my daughter recently about the fact just because it was the thing to do and this is moving forward. Good for both of us doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. Right. Right. You right. I think I think and and And I it just lends to being able to show now the Next Generation. That it's okay to feel, it's okay to be true to who you are. It's okay to have people say things about you because You know, everybody, you know, follows the trend. So to speak this kind of what I talked about, my I to was about the fact that it's like, we live in this world of everything that a thing of tips, every second, every single second of every single day. But if you just be who the hell you are, and have fun and play, okay, that is what's going help you break, break free, from everything. And as parents, when we Foster that without children and what's truly going on, that's the whole freaking point. And, you know, just for where I, where I now come from in my Evolution and my becoming journey who I was. And I am now. It's no, we're showing up this. My mission now is to show up, have women's shelter expressed Yes, I love that. I love that and what I'm learning, Karen, too. Like, for myself, is when I start making these moves, when I start showing up for myself, when I am true to my feelings and I allow, when I truly allow, which is my word for 2025 is allow when I truly allow that to unfold, I've realized that I am breaking generational patterns. And my children are witnessing a mother. That is Standing up for herself and standing in her power. rather than giving her power away and every time our children witness us doing that for ourselves, they automatically are getting that software upgrade through us. And that, and that is one my most. 

I don't even know what to say about it. Like that's one of my most treasured. Things that I want to have as a legacy for my family is that I have done the best that I can do. In. Showing up as. Who I was created to be. And that will hopefully leave an imprint on my children to do the same and for my grandchildren and so forth and so on. And that is so powerful. And I'm just realizing and learning that that power Because that's not what I started with, right? Like it was it was all about me, let's be honest, it was about me and it was about feeling better and and doing better and you and I had a history of Relationship issues that warrant smooth sailing. I've been very honest with my audience about Stephen and not having you know a marriage that felt really good for a long period of time and we've moved into such a beautiful space and I'm so excited for him to be able to come on and be a co-host in this podcast because he's willing to talk a about that. And that's and that's, that's a big. Yeah, that's a big transformation over here in the donut household. And think that that's valuable for people to see, right? So sometimes showing up for yourself, will have the outcome that it had in your case right where it meant to be in different places. And and the direction is is separated. And in some cases showing up for yourself is being the best version of yourself and the other person in that relationship. Automatically benefits from your upgrade and they start to upgrade on their own and then you come together and those two outcomes. What for me, what ended up happening is I let go of the attachment of either case. And I was okay with it going in one direction or the other direction, right? Whichever was going to be was going to be, and I had to let go of that control and that surrender, and just do what was going be best for me in the moment and this was the outcome for our journey and so, you know, That's that's how that works though. Because like we said the work on the internal self is what is reflected on the external world. Yeah, you know, and it was just in my case, it was Like I said, it was the right thing for us it was the right. 

Absolutely true. Like, oh my God, if you work on yourself, I you know I'm saying and I also think to your point you know it's you know I think there's a fear if I on myself, what will happen and I love what you were saying that you the chat from the outcome no matter what was going to happen but Steve like you were surrendered and I think that's such a beautiful point to highlight just in general. Like just Tracy always talks about you know be connected to everything and attached to nothing. And in that you were and I think that applies to to everything really is like when you make the moves that are right for you. That's the audaciousness right? Yeah. It's just it's And and you said something early that I want to just made me think about it. What if it's all there for us? And like, and and I talked about that a lot because the truth of the matter is, or that's Anthony up on it, it is all there for us. Okay. And and part of, it is us making moves to get there, but also being able to receive it. So the receivership is definitely a part of it, and one of the things, um, As well. They're really good at giving. Right. Exactly. We have some difficulty with the receiving end. Well, that's that and that's part of that, right? We have some difficulties, especially women because we people please, and we doubt we twisted and we turned and we hit and be strong and we do. Yeah. And and when you do show up, you're able to then receive. But I, you know, a lot of people have been saying this, a of people in the world coach World talk about. It's already there for But Colleen Nichols, who's no, shame sales game on Instagram, she made like a song out of it and like, oh God, I'm gonna make a song that I was like a star girl. So, I'm like it's right up. Your alley. Fun, like that song. Now, it's like it's already done. So I'm gonna have some fun because it is already done and we get so needy and so like I need this to happen and we might not go, right? Why not go through. And the fact of the matter is just like, whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. And when you White Knuckle, believe me, queen of this. And I learned so much is that I blocked money. I blocked so much from my life because I was so AF. What was gonna happen. And so we're afraid of meeting it and wanting it and being so desperate about it. Mm-hmm. When you just let go and surrender like you talking about relationships or otherwise What's meant for you? Usually going to happen and it flows. Exactly. It just flows and you don't have to work at it, it just is available. And that's, that's true manifestation, that's that's the beauty of this work. And that's the beauty of really stepping into your power and that's what I hope that we can start. Helping women and getting that message out there to more women that it's never too late. Right to start living Into Your Divine assignment. It's never too late to start living an audacious life. It's never too late to start owning what you want and being clear about your desires and not being afraid to pronounce them boldly. Right. And so I want Or listeners to walk away. Realizing that we have so much power inside of us. And when we allow ourselves to step into that power and get honest, and sit in the mock for a little bit, Beautiful. Things can start to unfold. And it's not necessarily yes, easy Journey. It's not necessarily a straight line, it's going to get messy and it's going to sometimes be Rocky. And I remember thinking, one point that I wanted to go back to the way things were because in the moment of working through it, all it was, it was just so heavy and it was so much. And I remember feeling at one point, like I opened this can of worms like, why? Life was okay. Was just okay. Why did I open this can of worms because she needed more. You you were meant for you, that there was more. And the reason why I specifically work with Gen X, women is this exact reason because it's really about Unbecoming. Who we were told to be. 

Unbecoming unshrinking, unhiding undimmed, our light and Shining Light. The brightest. This will both that we are. It's, it's not hiding in plain sight. It's not doing any of that. And, and that's why I specifically work with NX women for that reason because of the fact that like, you know, we turn into people Pleasers. We turned into, you know, doing I'm fine, but dying on the inside, we turned those types of doing for everybody, but ourselves and we turned into all of that and by by reclaiming who we are, and I always say this becoming home to yourself, you coming home to who you were before, all the b******* stories and all the b******* conditions to you. That's really what this work is really about with both. Let's not this is really when I'm my mission in this world. But do you have a One of the things that I talked often about is this and spoiler or like it by the way now, why okay? But okay, if you haven't seen the movie, I talk I In the movie. Wicked. Um, when they're singing Divine gravity. There's a point in the movie when Cynthia Erivo is spiraling down on her on her room, right? She's just spiraling down and then at one point her little girl comes to her literally and her face. And she looks at her little girl and really is like saying, oh my God, she was ostracized all the things because she's being all the things and she explains its me. And then rises above, and keeps going with the, you know, singing Divine gravity. That's what I'm talking about. The it's me moment. It's just standing in your That's really who you are. That's, you it's not my God. I'm not something that's all that. My life is gonna crumble and I'm going to die. No, it's not a midlife crisis, it's not me. I hate the term midlife because it feels like we should be shriveled up and dying. That's a whole other podcast episode. We could like it's really reclaiming. Who we are and showing up that way, period, end of Yeah. Yeah, and I and I say that it's an Awakening, it's it's not crisis at all. It's an Awakening. And when we give ourselves that time to be in pause, Such beautiful things can start to manifest because we don't slow down enough. We don't take time to sit and be we just do. And do and do, and I think women are famous for doing and we forget that we're human beings. 

So with that where can people find you Caren?  What is next for you? How can they work with you? Oh my God. So the question. Um, so where can I find my building my website? So I don't have that up yet. So hit me up on my socials, Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, Caren, c, a r e. n Cooper, c o, o p e r. It's the same name on all three friend. Tell me that you heard me on this podcast. And we can always set up a time to chat. And then what's next? You're getting inside scoop the last, oh tonight, oh I'm Caren, tell them, I have not even announced this on socials. It is been apparently downloaded to me.  to do a monthly membership, a mastermind for 77 dollars. That literally came to this week, so I have no idea what's gonna happen when this podcast. Everything else comes out with that'll be but that's where, what is next for me, is to do that. And also I'm going to put out into webs and things that keynote speaking because I belong on stage. Wonderful. Oh my God. That's so exciting. I got chills hearing all of the things that are going to be unfolding for you and I know that they're going to manifest exactly the way that they should. Because the work that you have done that, it's led to this. How can it not? How can it not and how can it get any better than this? Thank you. . 

I want thank you so for coming on to this podcast, sharing your story, sharing your truth, sharing, all of these vulnerable moments with this audience and your heart, you left us with so many golden nuggets. So many great insights in how we can really step into our true power and come out on the other side, shining bright. And I know that you're going to be doing such great work in the world, and women are going to so lucky to be a part of your membership and share in that experience because you have so much awesome stuff to share with them. 

Thank you and thank you for having me. And just want to say I'm so excited for you and this unbelievable in the journey that you're on.  And I know that you are going to be not just helping other women but just showing up and being there being a life of the women and it's absolutely something so well, deserved and you are that person. I just want say that. Oh, I thank you for sch a powerful friendships. 

Yeah, I appreciate you. 

All till next time. Bye bye.