Ep 14 - Feel to Heal: How the Body Processes Grief, Anxiety, and Unprocessed Emotions with Suzanne Barron

In this episode of Midlife Audacity, Celeste DiDona sits down with Suzanne Barron for a powerful and deeply human conversation about healing through the body.

Suzanne shares her personal journey through profound grief following the loss of her young son and how that experience revealed the inseparable connection between emotions, the nervous system, and physical health. Together, Celeste and Suzanne explore how unprocessed emotions such as grief, fear, worry, and anxiety can become stored in the body and show up as physical symptoms, chronic stress, or emotional dysregulation.

This episode introduces Jin Shin Jyutsu, a gentle Japanese healing art that works with touch and breath to restore balance in the body. Jin Shin Jyutsu is a simple, hands-on practice that helps regulate anxiety, process emotions, and support the body’s natural healing response.

Suzanne explains how these subtle practices can be used in real time, during moments of anxiety, overwhelm, or panic, without needing to relive trauma or overthink the healing process. The conversation also touches on nervous system regulation, emotional awareness, and why true healing requires feeling, not fixing.

This episode is an invitation to slow down, listen inward, and reconnect with the body’s wisdom, especially for women navigating midlife transitions, grief, anxiety, or long-held emotional patterns.

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Welcome back to midlife audacity. I'm your hosted, Ona teacher writer speaker and guide for women who are ready to rise into their next chapter boldly solely and unapologetically. 

Hey, and welcome back to midlife audacity this week. I am so excited to bring on a special guest. Suzanne Barron, welcome Suzanne, we met in our membership community and I have tell you that, I am meeting the most magnificent souls in that community and when we get into breakout sessions and talk in the chat, there are just certain people from what they say and share that, I feel just an immediate connection with like a soul to soul connection and oftentimes They're things that I am super curious about and I want to have those women on my podcast because they are literally the lights in the world that we all need to watch. They are, there's something about them that just are, it's so magnetic and so with out any hesitation I would love to bring you on Suzanne and tell us a little bit about yourself a bit of your background on and introduce yourself. Well, first of all Celeste, you so much. It's such an honor to here. Thank so much for having me on your podcast. I agree 100% with what you've said. We really only just met this afternoon before we came on. So this so lovely. I know. It's like, when when you meet people and, you know, you just know, right? It's it's like that. Yes, yes. So I 

I teach yoga, I'm a yoga instructor. I've been teaching for For 14 15 years? It's a real passion mine. I've been my little kid. My little boys got me into yoga and they were a boys. I'd signed them up for kids class and I like, oh look this, it's more interesting than I thought. I didn't know anything. It a time ago and and then I'm so a certified Jin Jitsu practitioner Sounds really complicated. It's because of the word is Japanese. But it's been I discovered that practice after we lost our little boy to leukemia. 

I was obviously like, Destroyed, right? I want live all of anything you can imagine as a parent it was horrible. Horrible time. Christopher was diagnosed with leukemia, when he three. And he got into remission fast after 30 days. Wow. And so he was still on treatment but our lives went back to a really good normal. we could still, we could still live a real actually, probably a life than many because We were, you know, you know, all of that rushing around with taking away. Yes, yes. Just How can how can we fun today? Like that was the goal. How can we have fun today? Every day? No what? because it changes how you view life is completely and instantly redefined because your face with loss your face with something that could happen. Exactly. You don't want to happen. So now, every day is like a blessing. Exactly. And I share that because I followed a woman. Probably 12 years ago and she took us on the Journey of her little boy, being diagnosed and a neuroplasty tumor in his brain. And I remember her blog posts. Being of the daily. treatments, and the going to the hospital and the drive back from the hospital and the entire how it consumed their life. So, I can imagine when you just shared that part of your story, how when he went into remission and that was no longer. The grind every day was like, oh God, this is Joy. This is blessing. We had, we were living in such Chaos. And now we're finding like peace again. So go on tell us more about how that all manifested yeah you know so it six months. Like four months of intensity, right? And then, like he still on chemo, but he had 90% chance of survival, it was mostly Pals. And it chemo doesn't affect, at for my, son doesn't affect doesn't affect children, like it affects adults, right? So, we were going to the pool every day and everything and it it was horrible. It horrible in the beginning because I had an anxiety disorder. So I worried about everything. and, And I had germaphobia. I not not terrible but you know, bad And now you a child with a suppressed immune system. And I my husband saying to me, We not going to make this. I have easily been like, okay, we have to raise money for childhood. Leukemia, we have to make this our mission and it's wonderful. parents family, who can do that, but I couldn't care for a three year, a 1 old You have normal life and be on a crusade to raise money for Childhood Cancer. And so my husband's like we are not making this. Christopher's more than cancer. We are more than cancer. We are not doing that. so, it When I said, I came up with one fun thing a before, it was one fun thing a day that before, it a hashtag. And it really did save her lives. Because, and then, the other thing did is I started a gratitude Journal. and I remember a woman at Clinic saying to like your just diagnosed leukemia and you're doing a gratitude journal and I like, One my friends said to me because treatment is long, it's two and years. And there is going to be really good times during those two and half years and don't want miss them. Mmm and what I didn't know and I didn't expect because I didn't know gratitude journals was that by looking for each day, what we were grateful for we changing mindset. so, rather than focusing the we had go to clinic today, we focusing it on, you like we we played a with Cherie's you know, left You know, with tears in her eyes or whatever. 

What a better way to focus your days. On the little tiny micro or, you even a of macro joy, and to focus on the negatives. Exactly, right. So you have a choice there to sit in the, the dwelling of the situation or choosing to look for something. As minute as it may be, that can bring you some kind of Joy, some smile to your face, some smile to his face, right? And which is is going to to prove to be the better thing for your mind, and your body and your family Dynamic. It's yes. Going be the the celebrating of the Gratitude, right? Exactly, exactly. And then we all so started something where probably know we start it. We'd doing this, all their lives, you every night before bed. Thank God for something and ask him for help with and even when we were in the hospital. so Christopher he was in remission for five years and then, And the doctors were shocked because he relapsed, I it 90% 90, yeah, 90% survival rate, that's 10% higher than most kids. Get wow. And and then he relapsed and again he into remission fast. The treatment was a harder. So had to go to clinic more than we did. We rarely went the first time around and but he was in school, you he was skiing, he doing playing baseball, still in, you take Bondo and then, And then one of the key, most caused a more aggressive cancer. 

And so then they they couldn't. I we fought but there wasn't much they could do and but Christopher right up into the end, like when we were at Sloan Kettering I still believed, I believed God would save him. Into the moment. Um, but I would say, Christopher, what do you to thank God for and we're in this hospital room in summer. He's already closed like we in a room with a roommate and he always had control of window. He always wanted the side of the room with the control of window and he would close shades. So the whole room dark like no could have, you people on other side. They'd like can open the shade? And we're like, no like no? Sorry, because it summertime, and didn't want to see the Sun and realize that he could be home playing with his friends. Yeah. So he wasn't. Yes, he probably was depressed, but he didn't come across this depressed, like, but you and but I'd like, Mom. Hey Christopher, what do you think God for? I'm still doing this practice because it was just part our lives and he's like, that's the Mets tonight, you know? Like it was never like that. I was never like that. I beat this because he was a kid, right? Yeah. Yeah. Good things, right? Exactly. They're going to focus on what they feel. It matters to them. At that moment. Absolutely and it's it's that child's mind that actually so innocent and so pure, yes, where they're really just in that moment and not future tripping, which I sometimes wish as adults, we could slip into a lot more easily is be back that child like mine is supposed to this overthinking anxious. My yes, that kind of controls us and limits Us in many different ways. Yes. yeah. If we could just it would so amazing. If like, we could have childlike way where You and sometimes we get it as adults, sometimes we really do today, I am after I meditated, I went downstairs tape breakfast and and it was like, I just got this sentence. Like, no, not yet. Don't eat breakfast yet. Like I'm very intuitive and it like go out for walk. I to for a walk. I already worked out like what everybody meditated, I did what? And walked outside and I was like, okay, I'll go for walk today. I said, God surprise me. What are you going to surprise me today? Yes, I did that too. I did that too. I asked for that. And I got you. I got you as my surprise today. How amazing? Oh, that's so beautiful. Oh, you made day. and I'm walking in the and I'm like, looking at the trees and I'm oh, They're so beautiful. They're so orange and red. And I'm like, I'm like feeling like kid. Like, oh my gosh, everybody should out and see this. Like it's so amazing and some you walk by and even see it, right? So I think that's our childlike coming through 100%. And so, you developed this practice of gratitude, while your was going through his illness and his remission, and then back into treatment, and then take us through. To today, you continue this practice. You me, you really strong morning routine. So share with us how? How that transferred into In while you were grieving. Yes. And to today, where you it looks different. It's the probably a similar practice by it's, for different reasons. I'm sure. Yes, yes. So after my little boy passed, I developed I had food allergies and they got exponentially worse. So, anytime I ate, there is definitely anxiety involved. But anytime I ate, say something that I wasn't sure of it would feel like my throat was closing up. And so I taking a lot Benadryl and you can't live. You can't live taking Benadryl can't do anything taking. Benadryl know and and then I was at yoga studio. I wasn't a teacher yet. I was at yoga studio and a partitioner was there and she teaching a Healing Art called Jin Jitsu and I was like, she walked us through it. And it was really, it's light touch. So you hold certain areas on your body, it's there's 26 locations on one side 26, on the other side, the energy location is the size of your palm. So you know, you never. You can't really if you know where to hold. You're holding the wrong place and it could be, you you could hold like, you know, your cheekbone and underneath your collarbone and that could help calm you and bring into the present moment. Or you can hold underneath your collarbone and that helps with front of the headaches helps to clear headaches. And so for me, I learned a four-step flow A stop or ease food allergies. And calm anxiety. And because it opens up the throat and it helps with any of the reactions. And I'm like this is a changer. So after I ate, if started I had the Benadryl nearby, just in And I would do this four-step practice. and it was like magic and oh goodness. So then I started getting sessions like I would go because there's two ways to receive it. You can lay on a and someone can work on you and or you can be it. Do it via self-help. And that's why I still work on people. That's really my thing because I to teach you how to help yourselves and so it is amazing. It amazing. It's amazing. So Yeah, and I want to into exactly that four-step process. Yes, can't wait for you to teach our listeners more about that because I'd never heard of that practice before. And when you had mentioned, it on one of the mentorship calls, that's what really got me intrigued because I'm very curious. Now, I go through stages. I'm like, one of those lifelong Learners like, I hear about something and I become very connected with that particular topic and I want to like all things about it, super curious. I've always been that way when I a child. My mom used to say you point to things and be like this, this this like I needed to know what things were and still to day. I am always wanting to learn. And right now, I am super curious about the Mind Body Connection. And so, you're grief was triggering something in your body. Yes, right. So, talk about that a bit before. Yeah. The steps. So it was, it was really, really constricting my gut, right? This stomach area there was So yes, so what happens is when our energy is in balance, It flows down the front of the body on the exhale, and up the front of the body on inhale. and then we have, we talk about it, there's three The body is divided into three parts. So we have the bus line, the waistline and the headline. The line is anything from the chest up through the head, the waistline is the waistline, the trunk, right? And the headline is from the hips down to the feet. And so a of the times with anxiety overthinking Even had it, that can be the emotional disturbance or can be a physical pain. The energy goes down, it stops at the waistline, and then it goes back up. So and Trigger headaches headaches, thankfully isn't my thing thankfully but a lot of the time, so the energy, all the worry was getting stuck in the in the belly area. And so I wasn't I wasn't processing and I was having terrible stomach aches, and it was also creating a lot of my throat was constructing. Not in any way. That was dangerous. I didn't have thankfully anaphylaxis, but it was Creating I couldn't I couldn't swallow if ate that the wrong food. Yeah. So almost like a swelling in the throne. Exactly was preventing you from easily, right? Exactly. And was it was it anxiety or was it allergies? I don't know, right? I know. You know and And so I wanted I needed the support it for sure. I went to an hour just and I did have all the scratch test. I actually had so many sensitivities, the like 50 Cent activities. I mean there was so many there were like, oh, we need to put you on a medicine so you don't Like I was like, intolerant of coffee. I was intolerant almost every food and it was my body. Someone described it to me. So, the digestion think of the digestion, when you have food sensitivities, you can't digest. And so someone said to me, you can't digest life that is 100%. I can't digest my life because I can't accept it. I can't accept that this terrible tragic. Thing happened to me, I can't even now 18 years later, I can still cannot believe. That like that Christopher died. I still can't believe it. You know, it's it's so so crushing and so it was definitely, you know, it was physical. It was spiritual, it was mental, it emotional, it was everything. And and it just made perfect sense that my body couldn't digest because I couldn't digest mentally that this happened. Yeah, that makes so much sense and I would imagine that as difficult as your trauma is. Anyone with any kind of capital T strong trauma that's going on in their life, whether it's a death and unbelievable accident, sexual abuse, right? Something that's happened to them on that extreme level is going to cause Some kind of trauma in their body. Absolutely 100%. 

That's going on and so much of our Western culture is about. Let's give you, you know the blue pill or the red pill. What's going to be the best way to solve this quickly without really getting to the root of the causation? Yes. And so I feel like this is such important conversation because So the Jin Shin practice is something that people can Implement naturally holistically and I want. Now I want to hear more about that because that yes he is like wait a minute. I think more people need to hear about this, like, let's get this out in the world. Yes, absolutely. So first of all, I want to say it, complements modern medicine, right? We we never say, you don't don't go to your doctor, right? It's always as an alternative. It's used in Cancer Centers to help with side effects of chemo. Make so much, right? So, it's that powerful. And the thing is, is trauma. can have, you I'm learning so much about emotions, and I'll explain a little bit about that in a moment, but so grief, right? Grief is one area that I teach on one area that I talked about. You can have really hard difficult grief, of course, like that. I went through, but you can grief, can be You were, you were supposed to do something. You were really looking forward to it. Your trip was canceled. Your lunch was canceled. Your expectations, were different than what you expected and that is grief in body. Mm-hmm. So automating in there. Yes we want to minimize and what we learned in Junction Jitsu is that there's five core emotions. And the five core emotions are worried. Fear anger. Sadness and grief. And then there's a fifth and we call it pretending overdoing pretense. And it's people like, that's not an emotion and the reason I should there's actually a finger to balance it. So it's very cool. So, you're listening nurse can't see my hand, but I'm still going to. I'll describe it. So we come so there's many ways to calm worry, right? But the simplest way to balance your emotions? I mean, back up a second, so we believe those five core emotions. They? Are the cause I know. Oh, they're the cause of the the discomfort your body. yes, so those those emotions they stuck in the body and they can create physical mental and or emotional discomfort. I will never say your condition was caused by your emotions. That did happen to my little boy, right? I would not, I'm not, I would never say that. We just learn that the emotions from chinch it. we we learn that the body goes into disharmony. when our emotions aren't Felts and aren't processed. And the is, is that so often we We don't even know how to process that we don't have to feel them because it's almost like we feel something and there's it's like a key. And it automatically gets shoved down or pushed aside or we're taught don't feel that anger and not supposed to feel angry, just know, you don't have time for it. Just shove it aside. In a bit you'll feel better and it will be gone, but it's not gone. It gets stuck in our body and it creates discomfort. And so, for me, when I had the grief, it was grief, it was worried, it was fear, it was anger. It was even pretending Because even though I pretended a lot less after he passed, I was pretty honest. If somebody brought up a topic I couldn't talk about. I just you what I really can't talk about this. Can we change the topic which as a people pleaser, that was very Not me. But it was you know we're working with. How do I get through the day? How do I breathe? Yeah, yeah. And so, So the come from is the emotions and then I want to go back to the hand. So It's easy to throw your emotions out of balance. So easy, we know that but then you can just reach for a finger and so the thumb helps calm worry. The index finger helps calm fear. The middle finger helps calm anger. The ring finger is sadness and grief. And the pinky is. Pretense overdoing. Pretending. And what's interesting is that these five fingers also correspond to organ function, energies. But when our emotions are out balance, this this part is similar Chinese medicine. Some of Jin shinjitsu is completely its own. And then there's a part of it is that similar to Chinese medicine. And in this so when you have worried, it affects your stomach and your spleen and energies, haha. With fear, it affects kidney and bladder. Let's say it impacts versus IX. The middle finger is gallbladder. And liver energy. The ring finger is. Is. Grief as I shared and it's lung and large intestine. And the pinky is heart and small intestine Energies. And what makes this so incredible. And a gift is that Sometimes like I know black gallbladder energy. Is the middle finger, right? And sometimes you can get stomach cramps and really, really uncomfortable. Kind. I had a foundation for 16 years, It was called the Christopher Byron live life Foundation, Christopher love to create comics and even sold them the front. Lawn like a lemonade stand. And so we went into, we went into schools in our city schools and we brought professionals from New York City and taught the kids, how to create their own original comic strips. It was so incredible. Yeah, for 16 years, we worked with over 1,000 kids and I just ended it last Wednesday. And we had this beautiful celebration at my at my treasures house. We invited everyone who had a huge integral part in foundation and I spoke first and then my workshop teachers spoke second. And then all these people were speaking. And about. 50 20 minutes into this beautiful event. I the worst stomach cramps. And I did eat something like my food. I so much better. I ate grilled veggies, there shouldn't be a reaction like unless, of course, maybe there were some Dairy on I didn't know it and I got such bad stomach cramps. And I was like, I can't leave the room. Like, if I walked out of the room, everything stops, right? and then I was like, I was almost like Oh gosh, people keep talking, which is a beautiful thing. It's such a but I'm like, oh God these crops are getting so bad like Suzette. You know what to do? So I literally took my thumb on top of my middle fingernail, so I'm holding think of. So for your listeners, think of the okay, symbol, but do it with your middle finger. God, rather than just the pads touching, you are actually on top of that middle fingernail, okay? The pad of FED is on the middle fingernail. So this is happened to me before it happened to me the week before when I was trying out yogurt, to see if I could still have it. I hadn't knee in it in 20 years to see if I could have it and I couldn't have it because got cramps when I was in the walk in the park and I was like, okay, let's do this. And I'm like in 10 minutes, it'll be gone. So I think it was like kind of a gift that had in the park right before this beautiful amazing event that was like just do this. and I did it, and It allowed me to stay there in the party. No one knew this was going on. No one knew anything. I had to hold it like this for 30 minutes because every time I touch, I took it away. I got the pain back. and so, it's And of like was was it the girls vegetables? Or was it the fact that we had this incredible special event that was ending. That helped me survive. It was literally one my lifelines. I just gonna say it was a lifeline and now you were ending that and your body was reacting. That's exactly right. And, you know, my practitioner used to say before I learned this Christopher brought you this gift. and so, so I stayed like this and And the reason being so goddaughter energy runs through the middle finger, that's how we comment and cramps can be a lot of the times from gas. Right. One of those topics we like talking about, but they show up for us. And so doing this, like, 10 minutes later, I fine. I was I could go around. I could socialize, it was Such a gift. And what I love about this practice, it's so subtle. That like you mentioned you could do this right in the moment where it's not taking you out for the day. It's not compromising your mission of that night which was you which was to celebrate the amazing things that your foundation has accomplished in last 16 years. Yes, kept you in life. Yes, always, giving is that to have a tool that allows you to have Harmony and peace in body and at same time keeps you in life. You don't have to go. Do it really heavy beef breath practice, which is amazing. Now you can't do that in the middle of a party. Yes. Yes. And this is something that I can't wait. I want to learn more about this. I know you're going talk about what your offering which is so great. But I want to learn more about this because I was just having a conversation with my girlfriend who also has just undergone some very intense stomach, gastrointestinal intestinal complications, which landed her in the hospital for a few days. And is now obviously concerned and worried about everything she eats and what's gonna, you know, work and what's not. And so this is definitely a practice that I want to share with her and share what you're going offer with her because I think she can really benefit. But all so I'm thinking of my daughter who's up at college? And I was just telling my state the same girlfriend how I have to teach my daughter more. technique to regulate her central nervous system because in the middle of test-taking, Or the thought of a test coming up. She goes into automatic panic mode. To the point where she's hyperventilating and we have to do a lot of heavy breathing to recalibrate and to put her breathing back into rhythm. So that then we can actually have a conversation because we can never problem-solve from that moment of real anxiety, it always has to be once our bodies regulated because we're in fear and we're in fight, flight or freeze. We're never going to be able to actually change. Yes situation and I'm stances, right? So it's bringing our body back to Center to be then able to make these more conscious. Decisions. And so for her, if this happens, she can go into this heavy breathing in the middle of a test. Know why can she certainly do something with her family? And I'm sure there's a lot more to it. They're actually isn't. Oh, there's not look at. You can her thumb and gently like a of the times when I teach this people are like squeezing it and that is tightening up your body. So we don't want to tighten up our body, she can hold her thumb and that helps calm you and bringing you into. I have so many people. I have students. So So I teach yoga for Stress Management at our local college and I teach at part-time and I have college students. And I also have high school students, they're in a gifted and talented program that they come to the college and So my students they've used it for, you know, they've used it. These are simpler things. These aren't what you're you're daughter is going through but one of my students was an athlete. So before he would go up to bat, He would hold his his thumb and then he would do conscious breathing and he he went from thinking about eight things down to one and then he hit the ball further. And the then, I had another student, I didn't even know. Well, I never know when I'm teaching it. How they're going to use it, right? Yeah. And another student came up to about three weeks after and he said I have social anxiety. I thought it was so brave of him to tell me this and he said, and really hate, I really, really struggle when we have to introduce ourselves in class. And so I hold my thumb now and I breathe. And by the time they get to me, I'm okay to speak. I love this. Isn't amazing? Yeah, I love this. It is amazing. And then, so what I do, I, I love Jin Jin Jitsu and I teach Chin Chin to and then I, I'm a yoga instructor, as well as I shared. And so, I teach, you know, Vinyasa and Hatha Yoga, which is much more common and well known. Yet on my own, I practice something called Kundalini, Yoga. Have you heard it? I haven't so Kundalini, Yoga, balances the chakras. And it specifically, you can do it. They're creases and their sets of exercises and they can look like regular yoga, but they might not look like regular yoga. Like, you might be lifting your arms up and down for four minutes and that's helping to open up the heart chakra. But then, there's chanting. and, I kind push the envelope. When it comes to it, and the only, I'll just describe because I'm taking chanting which can be you chant. That's so weird. That's so like that is so Dumb, stupid bizarre. Remember I have high school and college students, right? Yeah, yeah. And so I yesterday we chanted 

in class, I have 216 year olds and I'm like, okay I opened it up with and I I said, you know, I spoke to last year's class and and they had do it for their final. They had to chant this one chant for three minutes a day for five days. And then they had to write a little reflection on it answering questions and I have to tell you when I teach it, I'm always like they're gonna reject this, they're going to hate it, you know me projecting me onto them. Yeah. But I said, as I said to the kids yesterday, but here's what they came back with. It helped them with It helped him one 16 old girl said it helped balance. My emotions. It helps them sleep better. It them retain information and helps them to not procrastinate. It's quite when you're in the room, And everything is going crazy around you. You can stay centered at you. And so, of I'll teach the Jin Jitsu and Chin Jitsu is like touch and breath work. But regular breath work, not the breath work. We learn in yoga or other practices, right? They don't teach four-part breath. They just teach conscious breathing. though, I bring it all together, but going to teach them. to, and You know, because my, I had a student, a couple of years with ADHD, and they would say, to me, my parents have tried everything, this is the one practice that helps me to be even and have better focus. And I really encourage if your daughter is open to it, It. Could cut off those panic attacks before she gets there. Yes, that's exactly what we are talking about is like, how do we do things that are preventative so that you don't. Yes, the point where yes, in the room having this panic attack and take. Yes, yes. So this is so helpful for her and I can imagine so many other of our listeners. Because, like you said, they seemed to be really practical things that people can Implement. Yes. Right, that can a prevent an also? Help resolve right in moment. Yes. But it's like both exactly because and you even need to know what it's doing, right? You just My students don't know what it's doing. They just know that it works. Yes. Right. We just want what works most of us? Exactly, exactly. So there is a cool finger hold four panic attacks that you Let me see if I can get remember it? Yes. So you take, you take your your middle and your ring finger, okay? And you sand wedge, the opposite ring finger at the base. I can just send a picture to you if you need it. I have all these rings on, so you can't really see. So I'm holding the my wedding ring finger to make it. Clear, so amazing, right? So my, so my right middle and ring finger is holding my wedding ring finger. Yes. The down at the base, which might be hard with the wedding wedding finger. In the way it almost feels like it's locked in, right? Yeah. And then you breathe, and this helps with panic attacks. 

Oh wow. This helps to calm the nervous system. This is fascinating, this is fascinating. And like I said, I've been I've been digging into this world for just a little bit. I'm on the surface of like learning all of this, but I find it. So fascinating that we have, we have so much power within us. We don't realize how much God has given us. As tools. Yes. Right? And so often, we are living in the mind, which is this subconscious program. This is, this is my wheelhouse. We are living in the mind. So much that our subconscious program is on this constant Loop that we're reliving Groundhogs Day over and over and over again. Like We just go through the motions. but when we interrupt that pattern and we become super aware of what's Happening, then we can discover all of these tools. Some of which you've just brought to my attention. Now, some of which I've been using for years that literally can take us back into a central neutral State. Yes. And then We can then move into peace and Equanimity, and truth, and our soul, and our intuition. Yes. Because we can hear that whisper. Then for anxiety, we can't hear it. Exactly. And it's, they are all time, but so many of us are missing the Whispers, because the voice in the head has become so loud. Yes. And so noisy that we have tuned all of this out. But we are intuitive beings. We are energetically intuitive, beings. God has given us that gift and we often are not using these tools. Right. Because we're so driven by the mind and the ego and the and the limiting beliefs and everything that's going on here in the noise. So I so appreciate this conversation. I'm so excited to have people listen to this podcast so that they can learn these techniques that you shared with us. Where can people a sign for this Workshop? What you offering next? How can they work with you? Give us all the tea on where where they can find you? Okay. so, I I'm reworking, my website. So I have the website and its pretty long. It's Susannah or Baron graffiti.com. So I'll give it to you. Yeah. So I can show notes. Yes, Instagram. And you know, it's Suzanne and Dora Barron. I am starting to do more reels on, you know, have a stomach ache, you know, you're worrying. You're in fear. Hold your stomach, hold your stuff, hold your thumb, right. So I'm an Instagram, I might own podcast, it's called finding joy in the hard. And I do, every almost, every episode has a gin Jitsu healing tip. Yeah, I talked a lot about how to, you know, when you can get to the point of not living in that fight, or flight freeze or Fawn, you can begin to notice the emotions right away. You can feel them. So I have lived with anxiety, my whole life. but these practices that I've shared with you today, help me to come into even space, so I'm feeling I did something of their day and I embarrassed and usually I'm like, wasn't that big a deal. Turn that key. Turn it off. And I like, nope. Feel it. Feel it. And so, I felt that heat in my body, and I felt all the emotion, fill me up, and it was like, okay, like and I didn't go into story, I didn't go into why I bring the thoughts in. I felt the feeling and so later someone was talking to me about it and they said I didn't have the embarrassment over it anymore. I wasn't attached to it. 

I didn't need to talk about it. I didn't need to tell everybody about it. It was gone because I felt it. Yeah, so important. But the thing is, a lot of the times we need to move that emotion right to bring herself back into balance so we can feel it. And the wonderful thing about Jin Jutsu is that you do not have to think it through the body, knows how to heal. And we simply give the tools. So I'll and And then I am teaching a seven week, Workshop, starting January 15th. We'll go through that will be very tension, Jitsu focused. Of course we bring in the emotions, it'll be one week on each core emotion, giving you tools to balance that emotion. It will be definitely gentian Jitsu but it may be a chant. It might it will have mindset work. It will have breath work. Really giving you a toolbox to support you. Oh, that's fantastic. That's fantastic. And I think so many people will benefit from the seven week program because they're getting it in small digestible parts. And they'll be able to absorb each of the different techniques that you're sharing. I think, in a really powerful way. And as always, We want to live in servitude and have people have lasting transformation. I think all coaches goal is to have lasting transformation with their students and so having that broken up into those seven weeks allows people to Really Leave feeling like, wow. I have easy to implement tools that I can use that can provide lasting transformation for me to keep myself balanced centered, calm and at peace. And this isn't that truly a gift to live life in that state. It is truly a gift to be there and you can do it. You really can do it it if you 
do the work. Yes. If you bring in the practices. Yes. Yes. I thank you so much for coming on Suzanne. This was a pleasure I learned so much. I've learned so much I can't wait to hit to take your Workshop next week and share this with everyone that I know that could benefit from having this expertise in life. Well, Phil has been such a joy. Thank you so much for having me. It's been such a such a gift to spend this time talking with you. Yes, I agree. Bye-bye. Bye. Bye. 

If you enjoyed listening to this episode, as much as I did recording it, I am so happy Suzanne is such a gem Here are the five takeaways number one, unfiltered Emotions, Don't disappear, they Lodge in the body and often show up as anxiety tension or digestive issues. Number two, healing doesn't require reliving the story. The body can release emotional energy through gentle, awareness and touch. Number three, grief isn't only about loss. It also lives in unmet expectations, canceled plans and life transitions. Number four, simple body-based tools like gin can regulate anxiety in real time even in the middle of stressful moments. I absolutely loved. What's Suzanne shared about that. And number five, emotions release, when they are felt without judgment. Not when they are avoided or analyzed. If this conversation resonated Seoul School, my online membership group is where we slow down process, what? We feel regulate the nervous system and stop self abandoning for real, together, Hope you enjoyed this episode as always, please leave a review. I love reading them and share it with a friend who you know can benefit from some of Suzanne's teachings. See you next time.