Healing the Mind–Body Connection with Ayurveda

In this episode of the Inner Space podcast, Nisha is joined by Gurkiran of Chandraveda, where we explore why insight alone isn’t enough to create real change; and what’s actually missing when you still feel stuck despite doing “all the work.”

So many women understand their patterns. They know why they think, feel, and behave the way they do, but their body is still holding onto tension, fear, and past experiences - and until that shifts, self-trust doesn’t fully land.

We talk about how the body stores unprocessed emotion, why your nervous system plays such a key role in how you show up in your life, and how Ayurveda and marma therapy work with the body to support emotional release, regulation, and clarity.

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome back to the Inner Space Podcast. I'm your host, Nisha, and today I'm joined by my friend and colleague the Kirin of Chandraveda, who is an Ayurvedic practitioner. She's a marmapuncturist and an energy healer, and works and specializes in working with the body in a really powerful way to support emotional and physical and energetic healing. Now, in my work, we often talk about self-awareness and understanding our patterns, but what I see time and time again is that insight alone is not enough. You can know exactly why you feel the way that you do, but still feel stuck. So today we're exploring the missing piece. How the body holds emotion, how the body holds stress, tension, and why learning to feel safe in your body is what actually allows self-trust to land. So, how are you doing today? Thank you for coming on.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

I am I am good today.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Yeah?

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Yeah. Um, yeah, it's been a crazy transition into spring and year of the horse. Yeah. But I'm feeling more human today. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Good, I'm very well, thank you. Let's talk about this because we had a conversation beforehand around kind of being present to things that are coming up, being in our body. Um, why does self-awareness alone not create change? Because a lot of the women I work with, men as well, are very self-aware. They understand their patterns, they do a lot of journaling, they're very good at um the intellectualization of things, but they still feel stuck. And so when we're holding on to that stress, that tension, that energy, that energy is uh emotion in movement, right? Um what's not happening that needs to happen in that space?

SPEAKER_00 1:51

Um, so yeah, I have a lot of people in the same boat, they come in and they understand their, they kind of understand their patterns, they understand why they're doing what they're doing. Um and they know logically what they need to do to move through something, but um that's that's it, that's that's the barrier. They don't know why their body's still reacting in a certain way, they don't know why them their mind and their words still react in the same way. So um, this is why like where I come in and say, like, this is why body therapies are also so important, because your body holds a memory as much as your mind, so you work together. So I say to people, it's not lost on you that you've done all that mental work to understand why you are and how you are. It's just that we now need to get your body to to remember and catch up with what safety now feels like again, which is different to what you've been doing. And the bot the body has a really funny way of setting safety as the thing it's just been doing over and over again because well, it hasn't died yet, so therefore I'm just gonna keep doing it this way because I know what yeah, because I know that like I'm still breathing.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

Yes, it's kept me alive up until this point, so it must be the only thing, yeah, because until that's pretty much another option, yeah, how we keep running.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Yeah, the nervous system is like the when you're working with your with body therapies, your nervous system is the thing that you'll be working with the most and um where that's stored in your body energetically and what organs it's stored, and the body therapies allow you to it allows your body memory to filter out, and it needs exit points. So, like in somatics to say the exit points are through your hands and your feet and your mouth, and in Iowa though, you've got exit points everywhere around your body, you've got um with marma puncture, the marama points that we would put in where they that energy that's directly associated with like you've got energy stuck in your knee, that needle is gonna pull it out from that area of your body, yeah. Um so yeah, as much as your mind holds a memory, your body holds the same memory. And if you don't work with your body to allow it those exit points, it's gonna keep running that same memory because that's the last thing that's had stored in there.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

So building up a trust and a yeah, trust and a relaxed kind of nervous system, and understanding that change doesn't it's a the other thing of something I learned within like the last year or two is that change and excitement and fear incite the same kind of bodily response. Yes, and if you always sit with change and put the label to it as fear, your body's always gonna sit with that. Interpret it as yeah, like okay, well, change is scary, and even though it's exciting and I know it's better, my body doesn't know how to interpret that as good, it only knows how to interpret change as bad. Yes, and therefore now I get stuck and I don't know how to move out of this, yeah, and then that comes out differently in Ayurve, that would come out differently. So you've got Vata, like a Vata body type, which is um made of space and air, they would go into like, oh, change equals fear, and fear for them is anxiety, so then your body feels really anxious and you're like, oh my god, I don't know what to do with this energy. That's really scary. Um, if your biddha change and fear equals anger, frustration, um, being really self-critical. So then you get stuck in that block. Um, because biddha is fire and water, so that's their response to things, and then kaffa is earth and water, and they get either really um stubborn or really sad, and then they get stuck at that block as well, and they go like, Oh, well, this is my fear response, and I don't know how to move past my fear response, even though I know that it's better for me to move past this response. Yeah, and so how do we, you know, how do we use Ayurvedo or Marmapuncture or body therapies to now move through this blockage and move from my body trusting that fear is not always bad, and then fear is just that I need to change something.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

And then I guess in like modern, modern terms, it's all nervous system-based.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

Yeah. And so what you're talking about here is the Dorshas, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:21

Yeah, yeah. So the Dorshas are the so the Dorshas are made up of the elements, and in IRA the main philosophy and the main medicine system that we work off of is that um the world is made up of five elements, we're made up of five elements. Those five elements are um space, air, water, earth, fire. And they then condense into three different body types again that govern the way the world works, it governs the way that we work. And they are constantly in and out of balance. So Dorsha is Vata Bhitta Kafa, we all have all three inside of us at any point. Um, we're primarily usually one more than the other. And then we have a tertiary one, which is the least affecting one of our body. So like I'm Kafka Bitta. So my kapha is like I get very like emotional, I get very sad, like that's my fear responses. Um, but also I've got my bitta side of me that makes me really like fiery and angry and passionate. Um, my body type is kaffa, so I put on weight really easily. Um, but I also have really good stamina, I can weight lift really well, like that's a very like typical kaffra thing. Um, and the bidta thing is more like very, very um, I can have very like I can lean towards fiery ailments so I can get stuff like acid reflux really easily. So it's um always a I read there's always like looking at the equilibrium of your body. What is your specific Dorsha makeup? Yeah, how do we return you back to that? And we return you back to yeah, the what your home of your body is meant to feel like.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

So are there some people that will have similar symptoms but different body types? So I'm thinking about things like IBS or vibromyalgia or ME. Will they hit different Dorsha's? Um, or they generally belong to one group.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

Let's go with like a typical like baseline arthritis. So if you've got rheumatoid arthritis, we look more at a bitta condition. Um we're looking more at like the heat and the irritation that's building up around the joints, and that's built built up through like an acid um base. So then you've got more of like your sharp pains and stuff like that. So we categorize it into these different words from the way that the condition looks and presents. If you've got something like osteoarthritis, that's more of like a vata-based condition because it's more to do with the way that the bones are becoming brittle, so that's gonna be working through like your air and your space. Okay. So it's um the pains would look different, the way that it's gonna be imaged when you get like an X-ray or an MRI scan or something, is gonna look different. Um yeah, osteoarthrithritis is more common when people get older, so you've got a Vata that plays into when you're older, you're in a Vata and stage of life, regardless of what dosha you actually are.

unknown 9:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

So you have a presiding dosha for like your life span. Yeah, so you have your kaffir as a kid, your bitta from like middle age to like retirement age, and then your vata for retirement age. But then in that you have your individual dosha of what you were born with. On top of that, you have the seasons changing and how that interacts with your doshas and how that um balances and imbalances things for you as well.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

So it's a very intricate system.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Yeah, it's it's really it's I think when I look when I look at it and I look at the work, I'm like, this is insane. Yeah, like I can't believe our bodies work like this, but also I find it really beautiful that our bodies, in essence, dance with whatever is going on outside of it. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Yeah, there's that synchronicity isn't there.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

Yeah, like my favorite, my like my my my favourite thing from my first ever lecture that I had um was you are the microcosm of the macrocosm. Yes. That I rather embodies that as as its own, it's as its whole being, you're returning back to home, and in that it's that understanding that everything that's happening as within, so without, as above, so below, so it's that kind of concept of yeah, everything that is going on outside of you is going on inside within you.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

Yeah, yeah. And I always used to hear like, oh, your body is a machine, body's a machine. And I kind of was like, Yeah, I get that, like the way in which it is, but it's so much more intricate and complex as a system. Like it's I think that phrase alone doesn't give it enough credit.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Yeah, definitely. It's it's a machine, like I it's a machine in the way that if your heart beats every day, yeah, yeah, your cells transform every day.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

You're but it's so intuitive as well. Like the body knows what we need emotionally and physically, and it's it's I think there's so much more to be honored within that.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

But when we see um, like you say, symptoms conditions come up, it's about working with it to understand. Because um, I'm a huge believer that everything stems from the emotional well-being. If we're not emotionally aligned, physically things are gonna be off, right? The the body will hold what the the mind can no longer contain, right? Yeah, it's falls out into that. Um, yeah, and I've spoken a lot about this before around, especially with when I was little, I was so afraid of getting older because I just saw loads of on DR, 40, 45, 50, they all just started getting ill, and I just thought, this is what happens when you get older, you just become this woman that has like diabetes or IBS or constantly suffering with something or the other, but it's the body's manifesting all of that emotional stress, that's what it is. And so if we we can reduce our stress, if we can manage that and even eradicate where that's coming from, yeah, then it stands to reason that we're not gonna have any of these emotional, uh we're not gonna have any of these physical ailments now.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

Yeah, no, definitely. I think there's this. Um I only realised this recently, there's this common kind of like belief that like one, your body just betrays you and gives up on you. Yes. And two, you're just sentenced to whatever your body's meant to have. And I think like when you're in the holistic space, you know that they're not true. Yes. It's yeah, like you said, it's looking at your cycles and your patterns, you're looking at ancestral cycles and patterns, and what is it that led to um why this is getting manifested in me now? And sometimes it comes from you and your own karma and how you've lived your life or how you've lived your many previous lives, and sometimes it is a a lineage thing, and you're being at you've been put here to break that cycle that's come forward.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

So it's like if you have like a lineage of diabetes, arthritis, what what is it that's triggering that pattern for your body to now also think actually I need to do that and have it. I need to, yeah, I need to form arthritis in my body because my mum did, and then my grandma did, and my great grandma did. And we've all suffered with it, so I have to suffer too.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

But they can be changed, yeah. Because we see, I'm gonna really kind of categorize it down to just two categories and two polarities of women who um are really fit and healthy at 70 or 80. Like you see, these women with incredible bodies and they're looking after themselves and they have such a fantastic mindset about it. And then the other side of that spectrum are women that will just um I see it again in a lot of South Asian women and Andes that are like, oh no, this is it. I've just gotten old. And there's a very much a surrendering to well, I'm old now, I'm basically useless, yeah, can't do anything. I just rely on medication and my body will give out eventually. Yeah, but if that mindset got changed, I'm I'm really confident in saying that it would certainly hit the first category of women that no, yeah, so why I'm getting older, but I don't have to um live my life by these old rules that, like you say, with my mother, my grandmother, my great grandmother all had that when you hit, I don't know, mid-50s, that's it, like you're you know, you're on on your way out, so to speak.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Yeah, and I think people I I see like I have such a huge age range in clinically. I've I've um cases of kids that are like 13, 14, and I have people in their 70s. And what I've really learned from that is that it doesn't take as long as you think it's gonna take to be able to change those cycles and patterns in yourself. As long as you're willing to work with yourself. That's the main thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Willingness to show up everything will help you from there.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Yeah, willingness to show up, trust in the person you're working with, yeah. And yeah, it will pave its way forward and it will break break down things that you thought were impossible to break down.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Yeah. I'd like to go back to something you said earlier around um the body holding the memory. So if we look at things like a trauma, and a trauma can be a big trauma, big T trauma, or something smaller that's happened. Now, a trauma isn't it's not the event itself, it's what happened to you during that event. Right? Some people will go through something that's quite scary, but their body has the emotional capacity and the nervous system safety to handle it. When that's not present, that trauma, that event, and the way in which you try to live through it gets stuck and it gets frozen in the body as trapped energy. So whether it is one big event that caused, for example, something like PTSD, or if it was lots of small things, maybe um a chronic um or uh complex BTSD from when somebody was a child, it's working through that frozen energy that has trapped itself in the body because it had nowhere else to go. I speak a lot in my sessions with the clients around like you know, the old David Attenborough documentaries, right? And it's like in the the gazelle is in the Sarangeti, and then the cheater comes along and she had the chasers on. And what happens is that that gazelle that's running, she knows she can't outrun this cheetah. So she employs out the four stress responses your fight, flight, freeze, and force, she goes into freeze mode. She knows she can't outrun it, so she stops. She drops down dead, her heart rate slows way down, her breathing almost stops. Some animals even um release the smell of um like decaying flesh from an animal. So when the cheetah comes over hoping to get a nice meal, it's thinking, Oh, hold on a second, I thought this this gazelle was alive a minute ago. Oh no, I don't want old food, yeah, it's already dead. I want something fresh, right? I want to be able to enjoy this meal and this kill. And so what the gazelle does, it's called somatic experiencing, and Dr. Peter Levine talks a lot about it. Is when that gazelle gets up, she knows the coast is clear, she does this shake and she shakes her entire body, right? And what she's doing is expelling all of that trapped energy, all of that frozen energy. Dogs do it as well, they do that little shake, right? You've seen Stella and Louis doing it. Yeah, all the time. Yeah, and it's just a mini, like uh it's a regulation thing, it's a mini-nervous system reset. Somewhere along the lines with evolutionary biology, we stop doing that, or maybe we never had it, I don't know. Right, but we know we don't do it now, which is why when we have this trauma, it gets trapped in the body, yeah, the body then holds on to that emotion, but we also then can't process it any further. Right? Yeah, and this is where we get stuck in these loops, and this is where um with the clients that I work with, they want to be able to speak up, they want to be they're very capable people, um, but they feel stuck, they feel trapped because whatever is stopping them was something that happened many years ago, or maybe recently it's different for everybody, but it happened at that time when it did, and it never got fully processed. Yeah, that loop never hit completion. And this is what the work that we do is to help people get through that completion stage so that they can move on. Yeah, because as wonderful, wonderful this thing is like breathing ideas, grounding practices, that surface level sort of work, that initial work before we get down to the depth stages isn't enough to help complete that cycle. And that's what we're looking at working with.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

Yeah, definitely. I say to I say to people like you build a toolkit and you have your um do the various lists are made here of like if you feel like this and you feel like this, but I think the the main the main thing of the toolkit is you have your tools that help with when you're feeling like there's just a little bit that needs to come out and you like you just want to shake it off. Yes. And then you have your big tools for when um there's big work that's coming up and you know it's coming up. So how how do you delve into that and how do you yeah, how do you how do you work with someone? Do you need to reach out to someone to to reach that kind of depth?

SPEAKER_01 18:46

Um and the one of the key things that I do with my clients and what works it's necessary in the work is building that internal capacity, and it's not capacity to do more and perform more, but it's capacity to be with ourselves, yeah, so that we can trust ourselves more, so that when you say these big things come up, they come up because the mind is ready, because deep down there's a part of us that knows, okay, she's built this capacity, she's ready for it, I can let this go now. And that's when a big trauma will come up for processing. Yeah, it doesn't happen randomly. The again, the body is so it's so complex, it's so intricate, so clever that it knows she's ready for this now, I can let this go.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

And I talk to a lot of people about they're like, Oh, I just want to break, and then all of a sudden when they have this break, they'll have a flashback that comes up. Yes, and like I I experienced this so much before I like knew any of this work, yeah. And I would get really upset and annoyed because they'd be like, I just wanted a minute to myself, yeah. But your body's realized, oh, like she's stopped and she's now like got nothing going on, therefore, this thing that I really want to figure out and sort out in the body, I'm gonna chuck it up into her logical space. Yeah, so now she has to experience this, and then it throws you back into this experience, it throws your body back into an experience. Um, and yeah, what I say to people is when flashbacks are coming up, your body is sorting through it and saying, like, I want to do this, I want to look at this. You seem like you have the space and capacity to do this now, yeah. But when we don't have the tools to be able to experience that and work through it again, yeah, um, it feels really upsetting and distressing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Um, and we call these like triggers, right? When we feel activated and they will keep coming up until they are resolved. Yeah. And some people um are very good at repressing them, pushing them down that they don't want to. But there is always that opportunity that something has come up now. Let me just start this journey, even just one small little thing that I can start working on, and it starts to build trust in the body. We learn then not to override ourselves, yeah, right. Rather than reaching for um something to help numb it, whether it is things like overeating or a glass of wine, or for some people it can be you know hard substances, it's being present with this is coming up now. Yeah, how can I be with this? What is it asking of me? What does it need in order to feel um what does it need to feel more um supported and held? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Definitely. And I think that's a a lot of, I mean, it's what we do. Yeah, um, and it can be scary. It can be scary.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

So I'd always recommend doing it with somebody who is trained, a professional.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Yeah, to be able to hold that space and then navigate it through the tools that they have to to give and help you with.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Yeah, because I say this to my clients, I don't um that I'm here to give you the tools. So one day you won't need me anymore. Yeah. And you know that you can handle this by yourself.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Yeah. Yeah. I did a um a year long um it was this like shamanic type self healing course and Um it was one thing that she she told us over and over again was like I'm it's like I'm here to give you the tool so you can do this yourself. Like you'll be able to step out of this and not need to feel like you're held you need to be held. Yeah. And that doesn't mean forever, but it means you get this new resilience and capacity to know yourself, yeah, trust yourself, sit with yourself. And then in that you learn the discernment of like, okay, so when can I hold this for myself and when do I need someone else to help me and hold this for me as well?

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Yeah, absolutely. And when we start to build that self-trust, we build that in our authority as well. And it's not just being, it's not the self-trust in that I can sit with my emotions and be present. It's also everything changes from there, right? Our ability to make decisions or have different choices or want more for ourselves. Yeah, because we start to build that, it it gains momentum that I'm not just gonna settle for the bottom of the shelf. No, I want this, I want more for myself because we've built that and we've shown ourselves our nerve systems um physically and emotionally, that it's safe to want more as well. And I can have more and still be okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

That I'm not too much because I want more, or I'm not, I don't need to shrink myself because I deserve to have more. So our entire internal landscape changes, and it's just oh, it's fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Yeah, it's amazing. Like you like, I think I've um I remember really early on in clinic, I used to write at the end, I don't do it as much anymore. Um, I think because people end up like telling their intentions through. But um I used to say sometimes at the end, before I put needles in, is like what what what would you like from the session? Like what what is something that you really want to bring forward? And I remember so many, um, at the time I only had adults, so many adults were they it was like it was there was like this light that come up behind their eyes of like, oh my god, like I can ask for anything and I can I could do this, like I can like I've it it felt like they'd never been able to even like gift that to themselves of like what do I actually want? Yeah, and realizing oh this session is for that. I can like I think I think there's this like whole thing, I'm sure like you get it all the time of like therapy is doom and gloom, and it has to be sad and it has to be crying to be retention, but like um a lot of like a lot of the medicine is bringing that wonder back, bringing that joy back, bringing um possibility back for people where they feel like that's been lost or they haven't they just haven't been asked. They never knew, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

And it it is, it's it's it's uh it's hugely um it's a revelation for a lot of people, yeah. But we have to, it's not just enough to have that thought, then we have to embody that.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_01 24:57

We have to start living from that place of I want this, yeah, and I'm not gonna stop until I get it. Um, and not in an egocentric way, but uh, I want more now, I can ask for more, it's safe to ask for more. Yeah, the universe will test us, it will come up a few times. Oh no, have this old thing that you sent before. And yeah, say, no, no, no, I don't want it. And it comes up again. No, no, I know what I want. Yeah, I want this amazing thing that I know that I am deserving and worthy of. Yeah, and we hold out for it, and then it presents itself.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Yeah, I literally we I've been watching so many like videos come up about abundance, bringing in abundance, what does that look like? How do you align with it? And a lot of it is like um it's a lot of it of what I've been looking at is aligning more with your divine feminine of being in the alignment and the flow of what are you looking for? What does that look like? What does that feel like? Um, and being in gratitude for the small things that get dropped in your path that are like, oh, actually these like this is part of that plan that I've got for myself, and it's like the universe looking out for like, are you do you see the small things? Do you see the things that you're planting the seeds of that um is like a step in on that ladder to get you to what you're looking for?

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Yeah, amazing. So I have a question from a a previous uh from a listener from a previous episode, and I think actually this talks it speaks really well to what we're talking about as well. So it's a lovely thread to um to weave through this. I won't mention name because she didn't ask, she didn't uh say that she was okay to say her name, so I don't leave her anonymous. Um, but it was an episode that I spoke um a lot about grief with a friend of mine, Claire, and we spoke around the mother wound and grieving what we didn't have and processed emotions. And uh what this listener asks is about being present and how do I actually do that in my body? Um so yeah, I think it's it's really it's having that simple starting point to bring attention to the physical sensations, right? To your breath, to your feeling. Um it's not about so much clearing your mind but being present with what comes up.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Yeah. When I have that when I get that question in clinic, um I always say the groundwork is gonna be looking at your root chakra, it's gonna be looking at your nervous system. Um there's no point doing the big, big work until you've got um you've got it, yeah, that yeah, you've got that that rooting. And you could have like a I think like I think another like misconception with the root chakra when I say like let's get your root chakra more balanced and feeling more safe, is that like the rest of your life has to look safe and feel safe. Like you have to have the right place that you're living, you have to be in like some kind of like stability in like your work and your finances, and yeah, physical like stability is great for your root chakra, yeah. But especially in this world, like we don't always have that. So, is how is it that you can actually build that stability with your root chakra just for yourself and your body? Yeah, what does that look like to your nervous system? Um, it's really hard to sit with your thoughts and your feelings when your body's already in an overdrive and it's already in a in a place where it's not feeling safe. Yeah, so what are those practices like I always say that your root your nervous system and root chakra work actually comes from um the work that comes outside of when you feel triggered and feel stressed. Yeah, it's the how do you help your body to feel safe and understand that it's safe before you go into territory where it feels unsafe and unfamiliar.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

Yeah, yeah. Because I think this is for many women, it can feel very scary to be present. There is a fear that maybe something is gonna come up, it's gonna spill out. I see this sometimes with clients that they'll say, Well, I'm angry now, that means I'm always gonna be angry. So no, doesn't we just sit with the anger for as long as it takes? It might take a few days, a few weeks, maybe, but it will come to an end because it is like a cup. Once we've emptied everything that's out, all that water out, all that liquid out, the cup will be empty, you'll be almost like a reset that you're ready to start again.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

I wrote about this the other day, it was which is like feel to understand. Yes. Like you if you don't if you don't allow your body what's coming up, where is it gonna go? It's it's got no exit point, it's gonna go back in, and the like the bittersweet truth of your body is that it's gonna come back up again at some point, yeah, and it will keep doing this dance until you give it away to come out. So, yeah, um, as someone that feels really deeply about so many things, it's um it's a such a relationship to allow yourself to be rid of the pre like the pre-conception, the misconceptions of what emotions actually mean, yeah. Um, and seeing strength in the fact that you are feeling such an emotion because it's your body's living so much through that emotion as well, and just allowing it the space to unfold.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Yeah, absolutely. Because understanding yourself is very powerful, but it's that intellectual intellectualization is only one part of that process, right? When your body begins to feel safe, everything shifts, calmer, clearer, more able to trust comes back to that decision-making process, these revelations of yeah, I can, you know, I I get to live outside of the box now. Yeah, my box can be much, much bigger, right? And that's just a huge thing for a lot of people. Um and it goes back to us talking about having this safe space, this container to be able to work with somebody to understand yourself first. Um, and and sessions are a great way of doing that because we know that okay, we have this time together, and it builds that internal trust. The mind's thinking, okay, she's she's shown up, she booked a session, yeah. Exactly, right? She wants to be able to work together with me with whatever this emotion is, and we're gonna get there together.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

Yeah, like it's such a big thing to take out time for yourself, yeah. And I think um I even did it unconsciously for so long, and I think until one of one of the practitioners I was working with was like, You're showing up for yourself, yeah. Like and your body's gonna see that you're doing that, yeah. And I was like, Oh my god, yeah, like I am, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

I didn't realise I was doing it's the first step, but it's the most important step as well. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

Like you say, it paves away from everything else.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Yeah, yeah. So if this conversation resonated with you and if you're wanting to explore this on a deeper level, I currently have a couple of spaces available for one-to-one work, um, and I will also put in cooker your details in the show notes below as well. If you'd like any support in understanding yourself and creating this sense of safety that we're speaking about now, and trusting yourself from within, you're very welcome to reach out and explore that further with us. Thank you very much for having. Thank you for having me.