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Every Drug We’ve Taken, Ranked with Xaii Kuu
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Happy 4/20. In honor of the high holiday we relive our youths and recount our experiences with every drug we’ve had the pleasure of taking. Guess which one of us took Mescaline. Yeah you nailed it, but this is still worth a listen because somehow this is also a conversation about parenting. Please subscribe to the show and leave a rating if you enjoy what you’re partaking.
Celebrating 4/20 and Weed Dispensary Deals
SPEAKER_01It's me. It's the me. That's cool. Uh-uh. Uh-huh. Fucking really.
SPEAKER_05But yeah, let's get to it. Uh which one you want to start at?
SPEAKER_02Well, welcome. First of all, welcome everyone listening to the episode 20, whatever, the crimworld podcast. I'm here, Chumberlay with your uh I'm one of your hosts, other hosts. Hello, Zai.
SPEAKER_05What's going on, guys? What's going on? You see, I know you hear the crispiness. I know you hear the sound. We done leveled up.
SPEAKER_02It's the crispy era of the podcast. Uh happy 420 to those who celebrate. If you don't celebrate, turn off the podcast, man. We don't want you.
SPEAKER_05I did just smoke a little bit before we started too. You know, I honestly forgot about 420.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, it doesn't. If you really smoke weed, 420 ain't doesn't really matter.
SPEAKER_05It's like it's a I'm I smoke anyway, like you know, like it doesn't really matter though. But um, yeah, I I totally I totally forgot about it. I I didn't even I didn't realize I forgot about it until you said something. I was like, oh shit, like I have officially reached my Uk level. I turned in my stoner car, like I forgot about 420.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think the change for you and what probably makes it still real for me is when you were at a place where you're going to weed stores. I only remembered because I'm still going to weed stores, and when I walked in, it's 420 starts 410, 50% off edibles, 50% off shatter, and all the other shit. I'm not buying. I'm just like, I hey, I'm happy y'all got these deals going on. You know what I'm here for.
SPEAKER_03You know what I'm here for.
SPEAKER_02All that other stuff sounds good. I see your sales rep over there. Don't talk to me, buddy. How is uh how is it uh Seattle compared to Portland with the dispensaries? Um, the major difference is like everything's pre-packaged. Yeah. So, but honestly, it doesn't make that much of a difference. I can't tell if it's cheaper. I'm paying. Actually, it's definitely cheaper because I'm paying uh $16.50 including tax for an ounce now, which is uh including tax?
SPEAKER_04I thought that didn't tax me.
SPEAKER_02They tax and they tax up here. Um Oregon doesn't tax anything uh for sales wise. Um but yeah, $16.50 an ounce. I prayed for times like I prayed for times like. It did good though. It's it's getting me through. It's it's what I've been smoking since I moved up here. Because I smoke too much to have to be able to pay for anything but the lowest quality of weed. Not that I think I don't deserve better, but I'm gonna be back for another ounce in five days. I can't be I can't be uh uh too choosy. Um yeah, that's the only reason I remember it is 420. Uh yeah, uh do you I don't have any other comments about 420. Uh
Xaii's Philosophy: How Drugs Affect Brain and Soul
SPEAKER_02today's episode is about drugs. Uh I wanted to I'd been thinking last week for the soul episode, I was like, maybe I'll power rank all the drugs I've done. Um but when I realized it was 420 and Zionai, there's nothing really happened this week that was worth that talking about, in my opinion. Like it was like the Dave stuff. I was like, yeah, it's whatever. Like any point I've seen about it, I or any point I want to make about it, I've seen. So here we're gonna talk about um we're gonna rank all the drugs we've done and talk about our experiences a little bit. Uh when I pitched the idea to Zai, Zai said, Oh, before we hop in, please subscribe on whatever you're listening to, leave a comment rating, etc. etc. That really means a lot. Um, but when I asked pitch this idea to Zai, Zai's like, oh, of course, I have a drug philosophy. So of course I want to start by hearing Zai's drug philosophy, because this is this is content.
SPEAKER_05All right, so this is going to be like like long, keep up with me. Okay, so take notes. The philosophy starts at I believe that your soul is your consciousness is where your brain and your body be. And well, not your y'all, your consciousness is where your brain and your soul meet. And so, like, it's in your your fucking first question.
SPEAKER_02I'm sorry. Do you see the consciousness and the soul as different things?
SPEAKER_05I'm saying it wrong because I'm high myself. Um taking back even further, the brain is a battery, and your the battery, the battery runs on positive and negative energy, and the positive, whichever one you want to label it, it's uh the physical and the metaphysical, your body and your soul, you know what I mean? And where those two things meet is where your consciousness exists in your brain. And your brain is the conduit of those two energies, and that's where you exist, like your person, your emotions, your like you, your perceptive, you exist like objectively in your brain. And so um drugs affect either one or two of those energies, either the you know, one half of the battery or the other half, and that like leans into like the physical effects, not the fit, the effects you feel from the weed and how it messes, or whatever, not the weed, but the drug and how it messes with your emotions and your behaviors and your thought patterns and so on and so on. You know, everything's a chemical reaction. I believe that like those everything spiritual has a physical representation, and I believe that those chemical reactions are your kind like your consciousness interacting with itself, like your your soul and your body interacting. And so, like every space and and somebody who's had a stroke and know that we don't know shit about the brain. If you go ask a doctor, he couldn't tell you I was wrong, he couldn't tell you I was wrong because he don't fucking know himself.
SPEAKER_02And so we don't 80% of that, John. We're like, I don't know. Yeah, facts, facts. So um wait, can I pause to ask you one quick question? You said you said um you feel like so you feel the drugs affect the brain or the body, is what you were kind of explaining?
SPEAKER_05So not the brain or the body, but like the effect exists in like a heavier in one of those places, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02So you feel so certain drugs affect, in your view, the brain or the body specifically?
SPEAKER_05No, like in different levels, like your your consciousness is your is your the it is your brain and body. Like I feel like everything has a spiritual representation, like I just said, and your body is the body, and then your blood is all the chakra and all the energy, like representation of literally all the flows of energy existing within you. That's why we have arteries, and that's why everything looks like a fucking fucking wire fest in there, you know what I mean? And that's why like this, that's why you can literally use like arteries to like track chakra ports, because it's like it everything is in us like that, and your brain is where all those intangibles exist, like in the physical representation, because like you know what I mean, like your you don't see, you can't touch your feelings, you don't, you know what I mean. Like you don't, there's not a part of there's a part of you inside of you that you can't like get to or touch or grab or whatever, but you know it's there, and your brain is the same way. Like you can't, you will never ever pop your skull open and see your own brain, but you know it's there, you know that's where you exist. And so like intrinsically, you're you're there connected, you know what I mean. But um when it comes to the drugs, like sometimes one might affect this like the spiritual aspect or like your the metaphysical aspect of you more, and you'll feel that high more in your brain, but something else might affect like the the physical part of you more, and you'll feel that high more in your body. Not even to be like indigo or sativa, like I feel like that like weed is its own, as we get deeper into this, weed is its own like little construct of how it has its like its like intricacies in in my philosophy or whatever, and so um but
Exploring Natural vs. Man-Made Drug Experiences
SPEAKER_05um do you feel the perception we have of our experience is based on both our brain and and our body's perception, or do you think perception is fully in the brain?
SPEAKER_02Both, both. I feel like so how how do you because I'm not saying I agree or disagree, I don't know if I really thought about it in this way. How does our body because from my understanding, and especially like I fucked at my back uh a couple weeks ago, so like they talked a lot of me about like nerves and like how all the stuff on your spine is connected to your brain and how your brain is ultimately processing all the feelings you have, right? So, in a sense, I guess you could argue that we're driving our bodies, but all of our experiences of our body is filtered through our brain, like the way we see things upside down in our brain immediately translates it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, no, exactly, exactly. I feel like just like you said, like we're driving our bodies, you know what I mean? And like, but like to a uh a certain extent, like like we're driving our bodies, but this is cars. So we are our we are the cars are our bodies, you know what I mean? And so it's like that's why when you fucking wreck into something, that shit fucks you up. And you like it's not just like, oh, I crashed my car, but I had airbags, you know what I mean? Like it doesn't work like that because you this is the the this is your body. And so um, but I do think like in the space of like the actual like perspective or like how you how that your your that is all filtered through your perspective, I do think is intrinsically tied to like like let's just to be even like I don't know, take it to other species. Like there are certain fish whose eyes, well most I think all fish mostly, but their eyes are on the sides of the head, so they can't see straight. So like they literally cannot see ahead of them. Like they have to like do this to see ahead of them, and they have to their brains have that, their brains have to compensate for that so they can to that's like their experience, like that's their perspective of like interaction with the world. But like we we literally have our eyes in the front so we can just look ahead, but to another lack of perspective or whatever, we can't see behind us. And there are some animals who can legit see behind them because of how their fucking bodies are structured, you know what I mean? And so I think that like your body directly affects your experience, even though you exist in your brain, you know what I mean? And so um I think that that like drugs play into that. Like I think that like for co take cocaine, for example. I feel like cocaine is a much more bodily, like earthly drug. Like it's like a very temporal, it's like heavily influenced, it has no real metaphysical, like no kind of interaction that like cuts you off from like any like uh existential or like I want to say grander, I just simply say spiritual, from any like extra any um spiritual like experience, thought or whatever. That's why when you see people do cocaine, they be like right here in the now. Like, I want some pussy, I want some money, I want some clothes. Like it's nothing like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no one's ever been like had their trauma healed by doing coke.
SPEAKER_05So that's like I think that um I think that that's like coke is like that. Um it's a it in that analogy or in that in my philosophy, it makes it enhances your body, you know, and you feel the high in your body. I mean, if if you've done a lot of cocaine, I imagine it does something to your brain. I've never done that much cocaine for it to do anything to my brain other than make me irritable and not sleep well. And so, you know what I mean? Like I've never been like, oh, oh, like yeah, you got to the other side on Coke.
SPEAKER_02You find I beat Coke, y'all.
SPEAKER_05I've never had one of those experiences, but I do know that I felt my body very, very intensely. And I think that um you can just see that in people's behaviors when they do coke. Like, you know what I mean? Like it stops, it stops being bigger picture. The bigger picture becomes something very uh short-sighted and very like immediate, like result. Like this is something I can get instant gratification from. I'm not looking for like any like long-term gratification. I want my gratification right now in this moment, because I'm high on coke. And um I think with I think weed is like the middle ground, you know what I mean? And that's why that's why we have indicas and sativas, you know what I mean? And so it's like they like depending on what type of weed you smoke, you might feel more more spiritual or you might feel more sedimentary in your body, you know what I mean? Like the how the high will make you feel. Um because even in the spiritual sense, it doesn't like weed doesn't really take you up. Like I know people be like, oh, sativa gives me energy. I've never met a single person smoke weed and be like, right, bro, I'm juiced. Like, let's let's go, you know what I mean? Like so. Um I don't think that like I think even on the energy and like the personality side, it just not necessarily sedates you, but it like mellows you out, it brings you down. And like that bring that relaxation can be much more in your body, or it can very much so be more in your head. And that's why I think we marijuana is like literally in the middle. And I think psychedelics are on the far spiritual end of the spectrum, you know what I mean? And so I feel like shrooms and LA, you there's nobody who's done shrooms or LSD and didn't get to talk, start talking to you at the universe and shit. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02Like it's I think it's also important to say, at least as it pertains to weed, because we're clearly two people who have had like who our brains respond to it in uh a way we perceive as positive or helpful or whatever, and that's how it works for us, and this is for all the drugs, but I think for weed, I've seen it the most because I've done the most weed and was in high school around a lot of different types of people trying weed, but I would say it definitely does not work the same for every brain. Yeah, it's I think for some people it kind of does. Because for me, you know, it it's like I think it's like an ADHD thing where it's like I feel like I always have a million thoughts and desires and being pulled in a million billion ways. And when I smoke, it's easier for me to just have like a little more tunnel vision and what I think is a constructive way. Um, but I don't know if that's for everyone, if that's everyone's experience.
SPEAKER_05No, that's entirely valid because I think that um you know everybody's different. And going back to what I said about, you know, your consciousness is where your body meets your soul and your brain, if like we are we are who we are because like literally how we look. Like when we look in the mirror, we identify with these per with these persons. You know what I mean? And we looked like so if we looked any differently, we would be different people because of whatever that difference would have created in our life that would have made us feel different about ourselves or do something different, you know what I mean? And so like everybody's experience with everything is going to be different, you know what I mean? Like that's not even not even to like disregard that, like that is true. Like, weed, cocaine, every drug will not affect anybody, everybody the same. And my philosophy is not like like universal. I'm not like a fucking goo. But I have like spent a lot of time thinking about this to the point where I was like, I'm gonna try every drug. But the only drugs that I will not try are like the man-made drugs, like crackmith and heroin and coke is a is by extension a man-made drug, but it occurs naturally in the coca leaf. Like you hear it, you but like I I think that things that occur naturally, like or we're supposed to do them, because whatever whatever higher being, whatever you believe in that created us, like if we're designed in such a specific way, then the things that get us high were meant to get us high. You know what I mean? Like like apples don't get you high.
SPEAKER_02You can I think I I believe you, I'm I'm aligned with you from the perspective of like I also have and I'm comfortable doing with every drug that I perceive to be natural. And I I guess what I rub against it is like some of them some of them are poison, right? And it's your body, and it's your body being poisoned, but in a way that's like we're gonna control it a little bit, you know what I mean? So you know, I was one of the impetuses I had for uh wanting to do this was have you heard about Ibogaine? No, it's uh Ibogaine, uh I heard it because this journalist talked about having done it, and it's basically um, you know, similar in experience as I understand it to like a joke like ayahuasca, where it's like you gotta be have it done in a ceremony, and they like cover your eyes and you like trip for like a couple hours overnight, type of shit, and people talk about how it's like changed their life or whatever. Um and when they were talking about it, they were saying it's like like extracted from like a bark somewhere in Africa from like a tree type shit, and that got me thinking about like one of my friends online who was like a super hippie dippy, shout out Breathing Aaron on uh Instagram, uh you know, but uh I don't I feel bad now that I said hippie dippy, but you know, a real spiritual crunchy dude. Um crunchy is crazy. Well, he posted about doing like this for this ceremony where like basically this frog like this frog liquid, it's not like the some part of this frog liquid, he like burned his skin and they like put the liquid from the frog onto it, and he basically like puked for like three or four hours. And it's like it was great. And I'm like, sure, but you poisoned yourself, you know what I mean? So that's where I come into like, yes, and I don't know how there's clearly some maybe not a line, but I think no, you're right.
SPEAKER_05Some of this shit is just straight up poison. Sometimes we're just straight up poisoning.
SPEAKER_02Like alcohol, alcohol is from the earth, and alcohol is also kind of just poison, you know what I mean. Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely. It is just poison, but that's why it fucks your body up.
SPEAKER_05Like yeah, you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_02Like it's one of those things, it's a but that's why I say I don't know if necessarily I feel we're supposed to do it.
SPEAKER_05Well, yeah, yeah, that's fair. Um, I do believe though, in everything in moderation, I do believe alcohol like can be fun in certain moderations, you know what I mean? I feel like it's not it's not the worst thing, and like it doesn't just out of like off-rip start killing you, you know what I mean? But I do believe, um, I don't think that's wrong that it's not that it's a poison. That shit's a poison, you know what I mean. And so like every that's why when you get drunk, to me, I don't like getting drunk. Getting drunk feels fucking sucks. Because it's like I feel stupid, like I feel dumb within my own body, like this doesn't feel good. And so, um, but yeah, like I think that every like you know, everything affects everybody differently. I think that um when it comes, when I say like we're meant to use them, I feel like that's different for everybody. Like everybody may not be meant to have every experience because of how their body's designed, but me personally, I believe that everybody should do LSD by the by that by the age like 16 or 17.
SPEAKER_02I feel like by 16, I feel like with I can't listen. Zia said that. I'm just this is not an endorsement from me or the show officially. But Zaya says, go for it.
SPEAKER_05So I um I only say this because not to be like, oh yeah, let's like like everybody should fucking get super high, but I feel like because of the experience that I feel like LSD, like the psychedelic experience that it that it caused you to have, I feel like it is such a human experience because like we are designed a certain way for that to happen to us. Like if you give this to another creature, it won't affect them. You know what I mean? Like humans are designed in a way we know that we know chimps don't trip. No, trimp chimps do trim because they because they have their how similar their brain structure is to ours. But like, I don't think fucking uh snakes and chick trip. I don't think that I don't, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02Like, I don't think but like I would love to imagine what a snake's experience would be tripping.
SPEAKER_05But yeah, you're right. I got I mean, I could I could be wrong about that, but I don't I don't think so. I think that um our experiences going back to what we were talking about with everybody being different. I feel like you have to have a certain, you have to be built a certain way to have a certain experience. Oh, no matter who you are, no matter what you are, you know what I mean? And so um, but I believe that when it comes to LSD, it's an experience that we're supposed to have. Because I don't I know people talk about bad trips, but I don't I won't take away from nobody's experience. I've never had a bad trip, nor have I ever seen anybody have a bad trip. Like I don't never seen anybody have a bad trip. Never seen a bad trip in my life. Oh, shrooms I have, but never on LSD. I don't, I I put LSD above shrooms. When we get to the ranking LSD.
SPEAKER_02But never, but you've never been like at a concert and seen like somebody else having a bad trip.
SPEAKER_05Nah man, whenever whenever whenever whenever we're just doing LSD, I also like like I've never been in a mass setting where everybody did LSD. I've been in a mass setting where me and my friends were on LSD, you know what I mean? But I've never been in a setting where like every like it was we were tripping at a rave, you know what I mean. Every rave that I've gone to, and maybe it's because I'm in Texas, has been rather like conservative in shelter. Like people were doing. What does that even mean?
SPEAKER_02Like conservative rave? That's church, brother.
SPEAKER_05Respectfully. No, and I guess I mean in a sense where like um like people weren't just get like getting loose, you know what I mean? Like it wasn't like people were just turning up, but like people were doing Molly and Ecstasy, but like I feel like well, I guess that's what I mean when I say conservative. Like people weren't doing like psychedelics, like they weren't doing shrooms and they weren't doing LSD, they were doing like ecstasy and coke. It wasn't like, you know what I mean? Like it wasn't like a trippy rave.
SPEAKER_02Sure. I I get I get it. There's a more speedy rave and there's a more uh like uh jam-bandy rave. Yeah. Um yeah, I'm sorry, were you did I cut you off?
SPEAKER_05No, no, no. I was just saying that I never seen a bad trip.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, my philosophy is like eventually we'll get to the rankings. We'll probably move to move to the rankings because uh that'll just be a space for us to talk about the drugs more specifically. But my philosophy in terms of quote unquote bad trips, I've only had one. trip that I consider like quote unquote bad and it wasn't even because of necessarily my my philosophy is like if you have a you trip, you take some drugs and your brain turns on you in some way, either you don't need to be taking drugs at all, and that's your brain's way of telling you that you're not the type of person that LSU works for, or you needed to have that bad trip, meaning like whatever difficult feelings you were confronted with or whatever trauma that resurfaced or whatever you were struggling like you had a you and a friend got into a really bad fight. I I think that needed to happen. And it might not have been fun. And that's like the one bad trip I've had where it was like the drugs didn't really make me do anything that crazy but the person I was with there was a lot of like underlying tension that neither of us had necessarily talked about beforehand and it came up in a way that was like you know wasn't fun and having a you know difficult experience with someone and you're both on drugs can make it feel like literal hell. Um so I don't want to say they don't exist but I think like you know a lot of these drugs really shouldn't be done in the settings we do them in. Like I remember the first time I hearing about people doing ketamine and being like yeah just I was just at a rave like doing a bunch of ketamine. Like that's not how you're supposed to do ketamine like for sure.
SPEAKER_05Like
Comparing Our Drug Lists and Early Experiences
SPEAKER_05for how I remember I so what is I I've never done that I've never so what was your experience with that?
SPEAKER_02With ketamine? Yeah I've had a lot of different experiences with ketamine and all right let's let's open let's start a list because this is like this will be like the fourth drug we've talked about um and ketamine's on my list so how many did you have on your list? So I got my number one is uh LSD my number two is uh weed my number three is shrooms my number four is ecstasy my number five is Molly my number six is Coke my number seven is Zan's my number eight is triple C's and my number nine is Lean and my number ten is masculine Oh no actually my number 11 is Adderall Adderall's at the bottom of the list because it almost killed me so okay Adderall was no Adderall didn't make the bottom of my list Adderall was like eight for me all right um so you read mine one more time I had first weed two I I kept Ecstasy and Molly Molly I just included as the same thing.
SPEAKER_05It doesn't really matter so I had one weed two X Ecstasy slash Molly three shrooms four Coke five LSD six ketamine seven Xanax eight Adderall nine nitrous ten gas station mushrooms um a lot to talk about what are triple c's first of all so they are um they are fucking goddamn fucking they are um um this call they're coughing cold cough cold and flu medicines that you have to buy specifically cough cold and flu because they have this uh shit in them we it's for short it was dxm but it's a fucking long ass chemical name and so you just do except like you just do like eight of them bitches and it would give you like a super a crazy high on that is this is this robo tripping is that last year okay yeah yeah yeah I never I never even I never even knew it as that but yeah definitely definitely I've heard of it I I can't say I've uh uh in indulged and so you asked me about what ketamine was like ketamine is a hard one for me to describe because I did a lot of ketamine in an era where I was really like a trash can you know what I mean I did ketamine while I was doing a lot of other stuff too um ketamine in my experience it just makes it like almost is like a pleasurable version of the sunken place if that makes sense where it's like you're in your body but you're also like kind of it feels like it feels like you're in the backseat of your body and you're just watching it drive by and you're like damn all this is crazy and all of a sudden it's been like 90 minutes and there's like hella people in your house and you didn't even notice because you were kind of just floating um it never felt like debilitating to me in any sort of way but it definitely I don't know I would do ketamine again.
SPEAKER_02I guess we should also say both of us are in a fa you're not doing drugs these days. No I'm I'm clean. Both of us are not doing drugs these days so um this is reporting um but it's like past experience if I got back into drugs I would figure out ketamine a little bit more because I liked it I just didn't really fully understand it and I was it was at a time where just like a lot of my niggas were doing it and I was like yeah whatever I'll do some of that I don't really know what it does and you know I feel that I feel that um what was what was mescaline like so um it's it was trash it was trash it was like um you ever seen um the cover of fear of loathing like the book cover where is that with the big ass eyes or is that something else yeah yeah with the fucking where everything's like swirly it's like it's it's like the world turns into that oh so it's like real disorienting yeah man for like for like I don't know how long it was supposed to be but for like six hours I don't even I don't even know if we did it right because um we got it like out of this plant.
SPEAKER_05Like we had like drank this fucking like mushed up version of this plant and we drank so much of it and I that shit was disgusting as fuck but we drank so much of it and I don't know if we were how much we were supposed to drink because I know we drank a lot of it and then I thought I was drunk and then I realized like halfway through that I'm like I'm not drunk. This is I'm I'm fucking high this is what it and so this we could also file into the category of poison it sounds like it was
Debating the Best Psychedelic Experience: Shrooms or LSD?
SPEAKER_05it was just the poison I was like oh oh like I'm not I'm not sure if I'm okay but I was okay I was also a teenager so that's why I was okay but I'm curious because so we're aligned like the top of our list are like you know weed, shrooms, ecstasy molly etc I I like mushrooms a lot more than I like LSD.
SPEAKER_02Like I would never do LSD again if mushrooms were always available in place of them.
SPEAKER_05I would never bro if I could if I had a consistent supply of LSD I would remove shrooms from the world and just be the plug the world the world I'd be like y'all don't y'all don't need that just come just come fuck with you boy I got you said not even not even just for me y'all good yeah we all good everybody's good on shrooms what I like about shrooms shrooms to me it feels more earthy and I know that sounds kind of like no it's true it's true yeah I feel like nature I feel so connected to nature on shrooms and not to say I don't on LSD but shrooms if I had to like I like shrooms because it's the for me it's like the all the best parts of LSD besides the part I perceive as like feeling a little cracked out which is how I always feel on like our six of like an LSD trip.
SPEAKER_02Really I mean because like for LSD is like cool eight o'clock set 6 p.m we take it we're having fun till two great I don't like like the 4 to 8 pm 8 a.m the next day where I'm just like still kind of awake and the world's getting started again and I'm just kind of walking to 7-Eleven and like the gravel looks weird and walk into 7-Eleven and everything is too bright and I feel like everyone's looking you know what I mean you know what I mean like shrooms is like you love that that's that's like my the come down of LSD is like low key my favorite part. Yeah the come down it's not that I don't like it it's just no I I'm saying what I don't like it. That's exactly what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03That's what you're saying.
SPEAKER_02Yeah it's it's not that it's like unpleasurable it's just once I've like it feels like I peaked 12 hours ago and I'm still going it's like no I want to start tomorrow now.
SPEAKER_05Like I want I have the trip can we start tomorrow now I never want the trip to end I guess that's I guess that's why like I love I love the like you slowly slowly like how you come back into the world on it. I'm like I'm always like I it's my favorite part because the you are it's the closest I think you can be on LSD with like I am beyond being fried and like being just out of place with the with the world around you because the world around you is a fried like you are but then as you're like coming back like I'm still a little fried but not fried enough to where like I am disconnected you know what I mean where like I like you said the world starting again and like I am getting back into that. But I don't ever want it to end. And I like because like I like having like super long peaks. Like I like for my peak to be like I like to get high on on my shit and then by hour four my peak is started and we're rolling until like hour eight. You know what I mean and I'm peaking and also I like to have long trips.
SPEAKER_02Like I'm I'm type of guy I'll take two tabs you know I mean let's let's get this bitch let's give you a 16 hour one rolling you know what I mean I mean I just I think I've had it in experiences like I've gone to music festivals and it's like great for music festivals in that way because you're like oh wow I'll just like I've stayed up to like 6 a.m at a DJ because a DJ's plan and I'm like well I'm on I'm on drugs so I don't really I'm I'm standing here I'm watching this DJ as the sun's rising um with all these other people who are clearly just like uncomfortably still high I ah man I've I not to cut you off go ahead that was it was that I've never been uncomfortably high on LSD the only thing I've ever been uncomfortably high on was um was coke every every other drug that I've done I like I live by the philosophy like do the drugs don't let the drugs do you so I've never ever like been I won't say never let me let me not jinx myself because I'm not to say I'm never gonna get high again like that's not the truth but um I um I haven't had like one of those like oh man like I'm just super super uncomfortable like I'm too fried except for cocaine there are times when I've been fried on cocaine where I'm like I'm I shouldn't be outside like like I am a liability to myself I'm gonna either go a go to jail because somebody's gonna be like the fuck is going on with this guy or like I'm I just shouldn't be outside like yeah I uh I think that's fair where do we I think I had Coke four you had coke six where where do we stand on Coke because there was one as I presented one of the things I presented to you was like uh you know talking about um we both have we're both parents now and eventually we'll both talk to our kids in some capacity about drugs and I feel like prepared to have a conversation an honest conversation with my kid about most of the drugs but Coke is kind of the one where I'm like I don't know if I could be honest with you for real because I don't want you to try it right I like I I will be honest but I'm gonna be like I did it and it fucking sucks but like like but it doesn't fucking suck that's it does fucking sucks it's it sucks.
SPEAKER_05It's it's not in a like the feeling when you're on it is awesome. I'm sure that doesn't suck but like after the come everybody knows the come down on cocaine fucking sucks. You that shit lasts for like 20 minutes or so 30 minutes if you got some great shit but 20 minutes on 15 minutes on average 20 minutes if you got some good shit but um then you start coming down on that shit and you just need more to not come down. And so like your body literally can't handle that shit. You start feeling like your body can't handle that shit. You know what I mean? And so it's like you shouldn't be doing that shit. For me personally like every time I did it like I would do it and then the hour after it was all gone I'd be like man I shouldn't have done that shit. Like that was a waste of money like I just shouldn't have done that. There's never been a moment where I did cocaine where I'm like that fucking right we had a blast on that shit. Like it's always it's always been a regretful decision every time I've done it. And I've only done it because it's so addictive.
SPEAKER_02Okay see I'm I'm on the other end of the spectrum where I've done it a bunch and never felt particular like I've never bought Coke I'm can I think I've maybe with some women thrown in because they wanted it you know what I mean but I've never been like let me get myself uh a baggie but I come from a not semi-privileged place um I'm sure you'll know who I'm speaking of but I used to just have a best friend who just loved playing in the snow every chance he could get and always had it and if we were going out I knew he had it and he was gonna give it to me and when that's your relationship with it and it's that plus like the part I mentioned before and I'm not gonna be too hoey on this you can I have had a lot of experiences where I was like I don't know me and some nice ladies did some coke and that was a wonderful time and so that's why I feel like I is it so bad if you got a friend who's giving it to you for free always I feel like in those like no maybe not it I also feel like it depends on like how you're doing it because when I was doing it I was only I was doing around people who only did it in excess.
SPEAKER_05Like they didn't buy one baggie to like make it last like they were doing the coke you know what I mean and that's because they had money to get more coke and I was introduced to it like that and I didn't have the money to keep up with it but that didn't change the addictiveness of the drug you know what I mean and so like I ended up spending a lot of money trying to upkeep a habit on the level of some people that were more experienced but then I was and had more money to spend on it than I did and I didn't understand as an as an addict I didn't understand that. And I was also like legitimately like an addict you know what I mean like I wasn't like on the streets like let me suck some dick for Coke and all shit like that. You know what I mean? But like I was like if I had some money I want to go get some cokes.
SPEAKER_02If I had some dick nah yeah I feel you uh and we're definitely speaking to like addiction versus not addiction you know what I mean like that's like you're describing my relationship with alcohol where someone else could be like yeah alcohol is fun all I've ever done is had fun and you know with alcohol and me I'm like no no no no I destroyed my family you understand so yeah I and it's yeah so I think it's great but uh but in regards to talking to my kids about it because I have always thought about like like I'm the dad that I don't ever want to like lie to my kids about anything because I know that they're gonna do it on their own anyway.
SPEAKER_05If like you can tell your kid whatever you want to by any drug if they find if there's somebody around them that they if they don't have an exposure to the experience of it in a way that is like enlightening to them they're gonna find a way to get that experience where they'd be like for me for the harder drugs like crack method hair button like I saw enough crackheads you know what I mean like I knew that like nah like those drugs lead you there. I have not seen there's no story that I've seen of somebody doing those drugs and not ending up there. I've seen stories of people doing those drugs ending up there and coming back. But the the ending up there is always part of the story. You know what I mean and so I was like I didn't ever want to be like that. And I had enough experience looking at that but every other drug I didn't have any experience with or didn't see any experience with so I was like I'm gonna I want to try it. You know what I mean I'm curious because I haven't seen nobody good or bad on me. And so I want to find out for myself what to do. And that's the same thing with Adderall too that should almost kill me. That's one thing I'm gonna tell my kids too like if you haven't tried something and you don't know do a little research before you do look at all the bad things that can happen first and then decide if you're willing to take that chance because I also am going to teach my kids about taking risks because like daddy took a lot of risk you know what I mean and taking a risk isn't a bad thing but you have to be understanding that you're taking a risk and the consequence that's on the other side can happen. There's always a chance that it can happen.
SPEAKER_02There's nothing you can do to mitigate a risk because it's it is a risk you know what I mean so it's like you gotta be we I I look my kid every night in the I look at my kid in the eye every night and say you are a risk buddy I wanna help them help my daughters especially understand that um yeah you know you're gonna you can you know that know that you're playing with yourself and nobody else like nobody else is gonna be fucked up or affected by what you do unless besides your parents and your friends if you die.
SPEAKER_05Like if you have a good time and you're able to control it like then nobody can really do anything or stop you. Like if like for me for example as a father like I'm never gonna the only thing I'm not gonna ever ever ever support my kids doing is cocaine. And so if there if it's any other drug be like yeah you know don't don't die don't don't don't have a bad trip don't have a bad experience and I mean and if you do call me because I'm never gonna judge you I'm never gonna be like oh you know you shouldn't have been doing XYZ I've done everything. So like who am I?
SPEAKER_02I'm not even trying to be funny you you would would you encourage your daughter again to doing Adderall?
SPEAKER_05Yeah hell yeah okay hell yeah because I don't it almost killed me and so I was like I'd be like but even with that though it almost killed me because I didn't know what I didn't know. I didn't do enough I only wanted to try it because like I said I hadn't had an experience myself and all I had seen about the experience that it made you focus and lock in. And I thought there was a moment where I needed to do that and I wanted to do that. But the only reason why it almost killed me is because the way that I did it. I snorted them you know what I mean if I hadn't snorted them I would have been perfectly fine. Like that's the only reason why it always killed me. And so like I'm gonna make my make sure my kids you know even beyond just the snorting it though like there are certain drugs where like it may seem like nothing because X amount of people have done it but you could you're taking a risk remember that you're always taking a risk drugs are always a risk.
SPEAKER_02You can include I've snorted Adderall and not almost died from it and Adderall was damn near the bottom of my list. It's such an not for me in my experience such an unfun drug to do recreationally because what is what is the high even like it's it was I just was up we were just super at you know what I mean out of the bar super attentive super chatty come home ah I can't sleep let's wander campus until 8 a.m because we have no chance of sleep it that was it it was like coke without any of the uh ecstasy yeah yeah yeah um which is whack the well I mean well circling back real quick the thing I wanted to say about well I guess so what do you think about the the concept of gateway drugs because this is like something I I've gone back and forth with a lot because I I the thing about coke that I felt made coke like kind of a gateway drug that makes some other drugs kind of gateway drugs is the problem with Coke for me was it's not like the drug at all I didn't have a negative experience with it's that if you're doing coke you're just going to random people's houses to do coke until the recesses of the night and you're ending up around more random and random people who have more random and random assortments of things and oops these guys have guns. We went over to the guys' houses with guns and now they're showing up you know what I mean so I've always you know as a young person was like uh the the the concept of gateway drugs is kind of fou gazy and I don't even really consider weed a gateway drug but I do consider something like Coke or even like doing Adderong College a gateway drug because now now you're snorting stuff and now you're going to weird houses and now you're you know I don't no I don't believe in gateway drugs I believe in gateway personalities.
SPEAKER_05I believe that's like what you were saying or like you you you do this drug and it leads you around this certain environment because where the drug exists the most at and in that environment are exist certain people and then based on your personality and how like easily influenced or swayed you are or poor like in fact like or high just basically high because you're doing drugs. Exactly so like depending on your personality you might lean more you might have a certain experience because of what you were doing. You know what I mean and so um um yeah I don't I don't believe I believe anything can lead you anywhere. You know what I mean and it all just depends on who you are and how you're built is what you're trying you know what I mean because like curiosity kills a cat and like I said with like uh I've been around meth heads I've been around like crackheads and like when I was smoking weed like I remember bro there was a time when I was selling cocaine and I knew this bad bitch but she was a crackhead. I didn't know she was a crackhead until I until I seen her until I seen the boss with crack and just smoke that shit at a nigga trap house I was like I done this bitch for two years nigga you told me she smoked crack nigga like damn I had you I had you different in my head you had a whole different life in my head on me I had her bag entirely different with that bitch was a crackhead but I said I had it to say she had the personality of somebody but like she understood What she was doing to the sense where like she wasn't gonna let it take her any further than she wanted to go with it. Like she'd do some crack, but she also would go she's gonna get out the traphouse. You know what I mean? She's not gonna be around a bunch of niggas and this trap house on crack because she knows better. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if it's like you know what I mean. I don't know if it's like interesting lines to draw, but you gotta draw them somewhere. But like, but like um, um, yeah, she just was she was a she just blew my mind when I saw her do that shit. I was just like, I didn't even I would did I anybody can do anything. That's when I was like, anybody can do anything, like you just you never know. Like if there's long as somebody can clean it up enough, anybody can and will do anything.
unknownYeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I think one of the craziest parts about being an adult is coming to your mid-20s and realizing how many people are on coke. You know what I mean? You you think coke is kind of a niche thing, and then you start going out in your 20s and you're like, oh, everybody's on coke.
SPEAKER_05It is a niche thing past 30. Sure. I think I think once you I think once you hit like in your 20s, I think coke is the the the the risque drug to try, you know what I mean. I feel like yeah, if you're in like the average 20-year-old party scene, club scene, whatever, you know what I mean, going to college, like that's the that's the the the upper level, you know what I mean? Like that's the the super drug or whatever, but like it's not. And once you because like everybody like wants it, like like you said, everybody's realized, like, oh, everybody does it. And when you're in your 20s, that fucking ecstasy feeling is like that shit does something to you, you know what I mean? It's like you just does something to you. It's it doesn't to you, whatever.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a very 20-year-old drug, though. It's very like self-confident, and I'm gonna conquer the world and let's start a business. Like the stereotypes of it are also like the stereotypes of like young, upstart 20-year-old people.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, definitely, definitely. Uh, but I feel like once you get past 30, it's like once you once you're past 30 and you know somebody doing coke, they're like, I don't know if I really want to keep it with you.
SPEAKER_02It depends how much money you're making. I think if you're if you're not making six figures in your 30s and you're doing coke, it's like, hey, bro, we gotta get some shit together. Like, and I listen, I'm not making that much money. So I'm I'm and I'm not doing coke. So this is not me shaming anyone unless I mean it's kind of me shaming you. Yeah, get get your life together a little bit before you do coke.
SPEAKER_05Um yeah, I definitely do believe you gotta hit at least six figures to have a recreational coke have it at the after 30. Like, like, like mom Donnie, make it happen. But that would be that would be crazy though, if universal income comes in and then like the amount of like like I don't I don't want to just speak negative to the existence, but like the amount of like coke-related overdoses increases because people like people are just doing it now. They're like, oh no, I like I I make I'm I I can do this.
SPEAKER_02Like, I have big Coke would love it if we all had free money from the government. Big Coke. I mean, for real. I've I think I talked about it uh on my last episode during the uh the COVID unemployment. The amount of money I was spending on drugs and women-related stuff, it was it was most of the check. It was a lot of the check.
The Boring High of Xanax and Microdosing Debates
SPEAKER_05You know, you know, I think that um man, I do I don't even remember what I did with my stimulus check. I don't even remember what I did with my did I even did I get mine?
SPEAKER_02I didn't get mine. I don't remember why. Um maybe we'll circle the block on Joe Biden. Do you want to pull back up on Joe Biden?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, we can. We can. We can put spinning block on and be like, hey bro, where's where's my where's my check at? Trump signed it, but I ain't get it.
SPEAKER_02We both had uh Xanax in about the same position. I would say if it weren't like That's the most boring drug on the list. You think boring?
SPEAKER_05That's the most boring drug on the list.
SPEAKER_02If it weren't for how it just destroys your memory and you'll just like, if it weren't for the side effects, if it were just if we were just talking about the vibes of any drug, I would have Xanax a lot higher. Cause I I don't anymore. It's probably been at least I haven't done Xanax since before the pandemic, maybe after, because one of my I haven't done Xanax since the pandemic, let's say that. Um but man, I used to love doing Xanax. I'll be honest with you. You take a Xanax, go out drinking, you wake up, it's three days later, and you're like, where the fuck is my wallet? Who the who the fuck is whose phone is this? This isn't my phone, this is someone else's phone.
SPEAKER_05No, man. There, I I felt like I didn't fuck with Xanax because it was like high school heroin to me. Kinda, yeah. Yeah, like everybody in high school was on Xanax and they were like heroin at it.
SPEAKER_02And you nod off and you take the best then the Xanax Naps? I haven't had I have a child now. I haven't had rest. The type of rest a Xanax Snap provides.
SPEAKER_05Man, there are times and I did them in high school, and like, but I was never did I ever take full bars? I think I did a couple times, but I never was one of the person, like a person to like, oh yeah, like let's fucking get barred out, you know what I mean? Like I one Xanax would put me to sleep. I'd be like, all right, I'm good, you know what I mean. Like, I don't really need bro. There there was this one time though, you ever heard of hydrocodon?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER_05So I had a bag of hydrocodons. I I think they were just really, really low milligrams or whatever, but I had uh I they had to be low milligrams because I I had a bag of them and I took the the bag had at least like 30 pills in it, but I took the whole bag in a day at school, and I was trying to get fucked up. I was trying to get fucked up. Clearly, clear. And I think I was a freshman in high school too. I was trying to get fucked up, and um I they the whole day they didn't hit me at all. And then I I I got out of school and I went to meet up with my homies and went to go smoke. And um, we went to this uh laundromat in the apartment complex because now I live in Texas and you can't just be smoking on the block like you can in Portland and shit. But was in the laundromat smoking, and then one of my homies pulled out some Zans and he's like, Hey man, you wanna y'all want to do some Zans? And everybody was like, Yeah, and I was like, you know, why not? You know what I mean? I I was also 14, was the youngest person there, and so I've taken 30 hydros today.
SPEAKER_02Why not throw another one? I was I was I was 14, you know what I mean? I was 31 gonna do every everybody around me.
SPEAKER_05Um I think the number was 34 if I remember specifically. I took like 34 and shit that day, but okay, future. But um um okay, future is crazy. But um, I was the youngest person there, I was 14. Everybody with me was like 17, I think. Yeah, Jacob was 17, CJ was 16, and Chris was uh 17, and Trey was uh 17 too. Yeah, everybody that was with me was way older than me relative to that time anyway. And um, but my homie my homie Jacob was like, hey man, y'all want to do some Zans? And he pulled up, he pulled a bag out, and everybody was like, Yeah, why not? We took them. Man, I took them shits, and I had done a little bit of Xanax before with Jacob, you know what I mean? And it it did not do what it did to me then. When I say I couldn't even lift my head, like I was like, and I couldn't even pick my head up, you know what I mean? Like I was like in a slump, but we also had smoked some weed. But that shit, man, that shit I was like, never again, never again. But that's not even true. I did Xanax several times after that. But I was just like I was just like, never again, but um, but yeah, like experience for like that. That's why like I never did Xanax when did anything. It was never like, oh, like let's go, let's go get turt up somewhere because it's literally it puts you to sleep, you know what I mean. So it's like one of one of the most boring drugs to me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that makes sense. I don't remember a lot of the times I had on Xanax, but I remember waking up after and being like, I think we had fun. I I I free were fresh, and the boys said we had fun, and I don't have any new allegations.
SPEAKER_05So I can't remember many. I know as many times as I've done Xanax, I cannot remember no times except for that one time that I just described to you. And a time that I was in Portland and I did it with Lindsay. I remember that was I was 2016, I did it with her. That was during the pandemic. Um and I just remember me and her just kind of walking somewhere and being like, oh, we feel like fucking fucking zombies, you know what I mean? So um I just yeah, it just was bored to me.
SPEAKER_02This isn't a recommendation. I don't and I'm not trying to defend Xanax at all. Um, this is me looking back at my 20s longingly and remembering the times I could just be like, yo, fuck the next four days, man. Fuck I got going on the next four days. Uh I there was a time in my life. I no, this was before I met you. Um but yeah, there was a time of my life where like I can't remember who just gave me or if I bought them. Anyways, I had uh an ounce, it was a summer, I just had uh an ounce of mushrooms that I just kept on like a uh in like a snack bowl in my kitchen, and we were just a couple a day, you know. Oh, we're going out somewhere, grab a mushroom, you know what I mean? That's the type of shit I look back at longingly, and now I have a kid, and I can't just leave mushrooms around at all.
SPEAKER_05Um you can't, but you can still I feel like man, with I think the cool thing about shrooms is the ability to micro dose. Like that's the only thing I give shrooms over LSD because you cannot micro dose LSD. You do all for the ride.
SPEAKER_02I've never been a my I mean I've like stuck my foot in the microdosing waters, you know, when I had the the the the the serving bowl of mushrooms. There was like a period where I was like, let me just take one of these every day and see how it feels. I was that's just not how I like to get down, you know.
SPEAKER_04I just remember when you used to make was that you that used to make the fucking pill capsules full of shrooms?
SPEAKER_02I I I had those around. I don't remember who made I definitely was never manufacturing those, but I remember having them around.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I remember I got a couple from you. Those are really nice.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Those are I don't know. I just if I'm doing a thing, I think this is just like a little bit of the way my brain's wired. Like if I'm doing a thing, I want as much of it as my brain could possibly handle. Any any amount less is I'm like, why are we even here? Yeah. Like I remember, I don't think this was the last time I took shrooms, but the most shrooms I ever took was like a quarter. And truly, I just that's the only time I think shrooms ever like had me like incapacitated, where I was just like laying down in my bed, and like I fully jumped into like a different plane of existence, and like yeah, I've done a quarter before too.
SPEAKER_05I did I did a quarter unknowingly. Like, I I didn't know like when I was doing them, nobody knew how much it was, and I was just eating them shit. And I was like, Oh, is this you know what I mean? Like, is this uh am I supposed to eat like four of these bitches or whatever you know what I mean? Like I like the whole stalk and shit. Like I like how like how many am I supposed to eat? I'm just knocking them back, like you know, just eating them and shit. They're fucking disgusting, forcing them down, and then they finally hit, and I'm like, oh my god, I definitely ate way, way too many. Like, but um yeah, I thought the microdose in the box rooms is cool because I I want to do it because of my stroke, because I also want to do LSD again. And I know people people, I'm gonna talk to my doctor, I'm gonna look up like how how much is prone to give you seizures, but I'm not, I'm gonna just do this shit. Like, I'm gonna just cause I know I can trust LSD. Like it, I I know that it doesn't it doesn't do anything to your body, it just makes your brain feel a bunch of shit. Like you don't actually, like nothing's actually happening in your body. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02Like there's no I'm not gonna say I know what you mean because I don't want to cosign potentially uh damaging information. So definitely do look into it. I'll just say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Don't look don't take my word on it.
SPEAKER_02I won't I won't take your word on that. As someone who loves you, because I love you.
SPEAKER_05I will say to anybody listening, don't take any of our words or anything, look it up yourself, bro. Don't we not we're not cosigning nothing
Honest Conversations with Our Kids About Drug Use
SPEAKER_05here, we're just talking about our experiences.
SPEAKER_02So no, yeah. I've I've come out shockingly pro-Xanax and Coke, which is not how I thought this was gonna go per se, but it is what it is. I mean, this part of the reason, though, I talked about like not knowing how to approach or just the curiosity around talking to my kids about our kids about uh drugs, because like my mom was a crackhead, and I come from a family of people who are very addicted to drugs, and like I knew that growing up, and like my mom ran a treatment center, and I had I had friends and family who have OD'd in my life, and yet and still I come onto this podcast and I'm like, I don't know, bro.
SPEAKER_00Coke's pretty cool. Get a lot of get a lot of bitches with Coke, man. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02So I was like, what does work? I think the best, the best, the best hope I have is that one day. Now I was gonna say at the beginning of the podcast or the the conversation, I was like, well, maybe it'll be nice because our kids can just listen to this and be like, you know, these are our unfiltered no August. If you hear this, it was all a bit. It was all Xanax is not sick.
SPEAKER_05Oh man, oh man. So in regard in regards to talking to uh my kids about it, like I definitely have thought um like I I really hope that they come to me because I am nobody ever talked to me about it, and that's why I was always so curious, you know what I mean? And like, but through my experiences, I've learned that like the yes is in the notes, you know what I mean? Like I'm like, and everybody is gonna be different, and I don't but I don't think my babies, I know my first daughter especially, like she don't she's not even really gonna want to smoke weed because she don't like how it smells, you know what I mean? Like she doesn't she doesn't appreciate the she doesn't appreciate it, you know what I mean? And like not to be like the like appreciated in a sense where it's quality, like when she sees me and her mom smoke, she doesn't really uh she's like, eh, I don't really want y'all high, you know what I mean? And so it's like um her mom smokes too. And so, but what I like I don't smoke in front of her, but like I she know I smoke, you know what I mean. I'm I tell her like daddy finna step outside and smoke real quick, you know what I mean? And so like if you need me, that's where I am, you know what I mean. I'm not I'm not missing coming outside smoking, and if you want to come find me, type shit. So she knows, you know what I mean. But she doesn't she'll tell me, she's like, oh, you can smoke again. I'm like, yes, that's what I'm gonna do. But she don't she don't like it, you know what I mean. I I don't think that's gonna change. I think that like she just I remember when I was a kid, like in I never was averted to it like that. I was just kind of like, yeah, you smoke weed, that's that sounds kind of cool. Like and so, but um I I think when if they come to me to talk about talk to me about anything besides weed, like I want to have a real honest conversation with them because like um feelings of euphoria, like ecstasy and like Molly and shit, like those are things that like I can't lie to them about about how good they are. Um, in a sense, like like I'm not gonna lie to them about the feeling of euphoria. You know what I mean? I'm not gonna tell them like, oh yeah, go find this drug for this feeling of euphoria. But like, yes, if you see somebody on Ecstasy and Molly, they might be feeling pretty good because of the feeling of e4.
SPEAKER_02They're having more fun than you, buddy.
SPEAKER_05No, no, that's that's not how we're gonna frame it. But I do want them to understand, like, the why do people do it, you know what I mean? Because if not having the answer to why do people do it will make you go find your own answer. And I just tell them a flat answer, but like some people it makes them feel really good, some people it don't, you know what I mean? But the the feeling that people feel when they're feeling really good is euphoria, and you can find that feeling in a lot of different ways, baby. You don't gotta go do Molly to get euphoric, you know what I mean? Like, but but go look up what euphoria is because it is a known experience, you know what I mean? So it's like I wanted to have that conversation with them where it's like, you know, it ain't it ain't the bees' knees or no shit, but it ain't the worst thing to ever come across the earth.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, and I think like we'll who knows what like the kids' culture is gonna be like when our kids are at the age where like that shit's more available to them. Um, but I do think we as having been like, you know, the kind of teenagers that did sneak around and do shit like that, we'll pretty quickly be able to recognize the signs if our kids are even they're like, oh, like hey, what are you doing at the school today? We're just hanging out at the park. It's time to have a talk. You know, like it's it's time to have a chat. Uh what are you doing this weekend? Oh, we're going to a concert? It's time to have a chat. Uh, like, well, let me see what type of artist is playing. Oh, it's reggae? Uh not reggae, but you know what I mean? It's oh, it's like a jam band or like electronic music. It's time to have a chat.
SPEAKER_05Do you think that it's to be around though?
SPEAKER_02Concerts?
SPEAKER_05No, no, no. Like, like the type of music that's associated with the drug. I don't feel like raves are I don't feel like raves are gonna last very long.
SPEAKER_02Raves have lasted since the 80s and will last until they're not getting less popular. I'll just say that. Diplo is still getting booked around the world at a quarter million dollars a show.
SPEAKER_04This is fair. This is fair.
SPEAKER_02Um, yeah, I don't know if there will be like in vogue, and I don't even know how in vogue they are now for teenagers, um, at least compared to. I mean, I think a lot of why that space exists is like me and when I was in high school and like me and all my preppy friends started doing drugs, we started going to Raves and stuff because that was just the place where the teens who did drugs went, you know what I mean? Or it's like not all of us were super into the music, but we're like, you know, we're all friends and we want to go do drugs. Here's where we're all gonna go do drugs this weekend, at a place where we can meet other, you know, teenagers, etc. etc. So I think a lot of it exists just to be like a social function where like young people learning about those things is kind of I don't want to say accepted, but people know what's going on. Like I've worked at nightclubs and stuff and like gender security, they know what's going on, you know. Like that's a thing like the bouncers and like the owners are talking about. Like, hey, seems like a lot of people are doing blow in the bathroom tonight. Like, let's keep an eye on that type shit, you know what I mean? So I don't I don't know what my point ultimately was.
SPEAKER_05Uh but what would you um what are you afraid of your kids or afraid of your kid to ask you about drugs?
SPEAKER_02I'm not. You're like if there's like a specific one or just in generally, like if I'm if am I afraid of it?
SPEAKER_05Like just in a general like interaction with your kid in relation to drugs, besides them doing it, like if they were just to come to approach you with some curiosity.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I don't know what would really make me afraid, you know, if they ask me like about my experiences and like you know, that wouldn't even be that v I mean I already live a life where like I don't think my kids gonna have if I continue being like a public comedian, I think my kids gonna have like a different understanding of me than most kids have their of their parents because like of what the nature of comedy? Yeah, like I will have been publicly open about a lot of like more risque or like adult topics. So I think there's gonna be less like uncomfortability for me to share things that might be uncomfortable for most parents to share. Um I don't know. I think like the it just I think what I worry about is not knowing I worry about going too far the other way from where I was, you know, where I was in an environment that was pretty sheltered, and not like my mom. Like I said, my mom is in long-term recovery, a lot of our family is, but she she wasn't so strict that I couldn't sneak out and go do things, you know what I mean? Um, but I still felt ultimately like it was uh for the type of person I am specifically, a very sheltered and like, you know, hyper Christian. That's kind of the explanation for everything environment. So naturally, I, as I'm sure you want to be, is like, yeah, let's talk about everything. I'll tell you everything I've done. I'm not gonna encourage, I'm not gonna discourage you from doing yada yada yada, and that I'm not really worried about this, but if I had to pick a worry, it'd be a thing, it would be this, that I worry can go too far the other way. And now, you know, there's some kid who's like the the the 16-year-old who like has is like selling acid and stuff.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. You know, I ain't gonna lie. If one of my kids became the plug, I just help them out. I mean help them out and keep them safe.
SPEAKER_02I'd be like, listen, buddy, you this is as much weight as you can legally have on you or at our crib right now. Yeah, um, but yeah.
SPEAKER_05But I I'd also tell him, like, don't sell at the crib, and if you do go sell somewhere, like let me know. So if I gotta come save your life, I can come save your life.
SPEAKER_02I mean, if if I f honestly, like, if I find out my kid's selling, here's what I'm gonna find out. How how good are you at it? If you're good and you're like making money, cool, we're gonna get you into a legitimate business venture immediately. And if you're bad at it, it just means you need money. Let me help you find a way to get money. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's not that I'm so anti it, but it's like if you're really good at it, you can clearly start a building business. Do business. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04Well, I don't know. Some some drugs do sell themselves. Like Coke sells itself.
SPEAKER_02Coke sells itself, but I don't I don't think you want to be a Coke dealer type shit. No.
SPEAKER_05I'm not gonna make if you want to make money, you want to be a Coke dealer. But if you don't, if you don't want to be in a drug world, you don't want to sell Coke.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. It's like the I said earlier I was like, I've had so much fun on Coke. Ha ha ha ha. And that has been the case a lot of times, but Coke is also the drug of like, damn, I really was at this just like I really was talking to having the most boring conversation with the most uninteresting person at like four o'clock in the morning at some random house. I couldn't even find if you tried to if it if you if it was the daylight and I tried to get there, and I'm just like my regrets were always like I could have gotten a good night of sleep tonight. That's that was really it, and maybe I should have. Nah, thanks.
SPEAKER_05That is the regret though. The great the regret is I was like, man, I could have I could be asleep right now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I gotta go to work in 30 minutes, and I'm kind of and I'm still kind of like, you know juiced. Yeah, I'm still juiced, but I'm also coming down, and now I gotta go do customer service. Uh I don't miss my 20s at all, actually.
SPEAKER_05The code come down was horrible, man. The cold come down was horrible.
SPEAKER_02The calm down and go to I I hope I never like I'm off drugs generally right now. The quick story why is this the last time I did uh we didn't we didn't spend enough time talking about ecstasy slash Molly. Um excellent time, awesome. Yes, love it.
SPEAKER_05No notes, no notes. Um the only thing that I will say is it has the same like body rigorous come down that Coke does to me. Like not as it not as intense as Coke, but it feels as rigorous as Coke sometimes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, my jaw's locked up. My jaw is I'm um, but I mean that's a problem for my dentist, not me. But the last time, and we cannot end on this. The last time I did Coke, not Coke. I don't remember the last time I did Coke, thankfully, but last time I did Molly, um I got I got it from a dishwasher at my job. This new guy started at my job, he was a dishwasher. Every dishwasher at in any kitchen is either uh a drug dealer or a child or an ex-convict. And this guy was all three. And he just like we went outside like day one. I was like outside smoking a spliff. He's like, Oh, can I hit that? Boom, I let him hit. We strike up a conversation. End of conversation one, he's like, Yo, I got a bag of like 20 mollies. Do you want it? And I was like, I was like, Yeah, bro, you are the block is hot for you. Yeah, but uh yeah, that's how the block was hot for him. I was like, Yeah, I got you, dog. Um, so I took one, and this is like month two of my kid's mom being pregnant with my kid, and it was right before we were gonna move in together, and so it was like my last week in my head, it's my last week of freedom. And it was, it definitely was. Um, but I was like, all right, I got my last week of freedom. I just got a free bag of Molly, like, here's what we know what's about to happen. Um, I take a couple go out, like as soon as it hits me, she calls me and she's like, hey, I fell. I'm really nervous about it. Can you go to the hospital with me? And I'm like, I was like, I don't, I don't, I don't think you want me to do that. I don't, I don't, that's not gonna be a good time for me. Uh not a good time for me is crazy. That was three and a half years ago, and I've been uh stone sober besides weed ever since. Cause as soon as as soon as my child's on an overnight trip somewhere safe across the country, I'll be back in the game, but we haven't gotten there yet.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, now the um the last time I did Molly was when we lived in the um the the town home. Whenever fucking everybody brought it over, Molly Mondays, baby. Yeah, yeah. My last time I did it was I miss my 20s. I miss my 20s. We really had Molly Mondays. Make up your make up your mind, Krim.
SPEAKER_02I would bring back Molly Mondays. If I could I'd keep it all how it is, and also bring back Molly Mondays. Molly Mondays was lit. Molly Mondays was lit.
SPEAKER_05But yeah, that was the last time I did. That was the last time I did it. Man, actually, do you remember that night?
SPEAKER_02Uh is it a night we're not gonna talk about on air?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02For sure. For sure, for sure. That should have been the last time I did it. God damn. Um that's that's the show. That's the show.
Wrapping Up the Drug Discussion and Listener Appreciation
SPEAKER_03Maybe cut that part out, but it's uh uh maybe don't keep that.
SPEAKER_02Thank you for listening. Uh subscribe, do all that nonsense. You want to say anything else?
SPEAKER_05Uh no, man. Um, thank y'all for listening. You know, love y'all for all the support. You know, like, comment, subscribe, share, all that shit, you know, wherever you at. And yeah, all those things. Um, and it's getting better for me. So for anybody else, it's getting better. I promise you, if it's getting better for me, it's getting better out there. Just I won't forget. But there we go.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's what's stick to the plan. Uh we love you. Peace.
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