Drake dropped 3 albums on purpose. We try and figure out why. - with Xaii Kuu

It's our superbowl. This podcast mostly exists to commentate on the long shadow of the Drake vs Kendrick beef and today we got the juiciest cut we've been served in several fortnights. Join us as we figure out how the 3 new Drake albums make us feel and where we think they stack up in his discography.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Yeah, of course. Uh welcome one. Welcome all to episode whatever of the creme world podcast. I'm one half of your host, creme brulee. This is the other half of your host. Y'all already know where we're at with it. I was thinking about it before uh we got on. I think, in a sense, this podcast, it's like during NBA like basketball podcasts, like when basketball's in season, that's like, you know, they're thriving, they have a lot of content to talk about, and then during the off-season, it's just bullshitting. I consider everything, every other episode of the podcast, us bullshitting, and this the official regular season, you know what I mean? Like this this podcast really just exists to commentate on a new Drake album, and we're finally here. We made it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

You're plugged in. Yeah, we're our time has arrived, man. Our time has arrived. Let's try. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:30

We know you guys have been waiting. They're like every episode. Well, because like so many of our episodes eventually veer off into the beef, like low-key.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Like, I feel like you could try they always veer off into hip hop in the beef, but had hip hop in the chokehold for the whole like last what two years now.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Yeah, he done brought it back to relevance with this with these albums.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

So yeah, no, we'll get to it. I think before we talk about the album in depth, I know we there are people that have been riding with us the whole time, but you know, we're imagining uh new listeners. Uh tell us about your relationship with Drake and where you were how you were feeling coming into this album in terms of what your expectations were.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Uh as far as our relationship with Drake is um none the nigga music is. Pause. Sorry. Um yeah, no, like you know, um I everybody was, I never really cared about him getting washed in the beef. I just kind of felt like it was like what it was, you know, and it didn't like take any credit or value away from his music to me. It did kind of feel weird and suck to watch him lose all the value and like credit for what he has done in the world of music and hip hop. Um, that was just a weird little time of events to see. I did not see, I didn't see that coming.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Do you really feel like he he lost like everyone having like I I definitely think it's undeniable he lost all of his cool points, but I still don't think you could take away his legacy as an artist.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Nah, man, the way I'm seeing people talk, bro, people talk. I mean, I also also we gotta remember his um we're old, you know what I mean? Like his prime is our prime, you know what I mean? And so it's like his legacy doesn't really exist with the new generation as it does with us, you know what I mean? And like, like it's cool to clown him now. Like he's become a meme, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 3:28

He's become like the new the new But has it not always been kind of cool to clown him? Uh that's the thing about Drake that's like interesting, right? Like it kind of horseshoeed from like he when he first came out, you can't deny it, especially in hip hop. People were like, this guy's is not real, not tough, soft. And then we got to the middle, we're like, okay, cool, and then we're kind of back at this guy's soft, blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Yeah, no, you you're right, you're right about that. It definitely started off like we well, who is this nigga singing rapping? Is he rapping or is he singing? Like, I I remember that nigga had the old heads mad about that shit, like mad. But um, yeah, I guess you're right about that in a sense where it was kind of kind of fun. I feel like it was fun to clown him though, only if like you were doing it from a hip-hop perspective, you know what I mean? Like now it was just like it's it's like it's cool to clown him as a person outside of the music, you know what I mean? So it's just like like it's just cool to dunk on him.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

And I feel like And I'm not I don't stand for that shit.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Not at all, man. The nigga can hopefully he can take a punch, you know what I mean? Hopefully he can take a punch or a joke, but I mean apparently not. But um uh yeah, no, you know, it's just people like started dunking on him outside of the music. And I feel like that be, I feel like that became like a real thing. And I think it trick like when it came to the music, it trickled over into him not being like him not ever doing shit for the culture. And I'm like, I just I hear people say all the time, I'm like, that's wild to me, because like the nigga's sound defined the culture for at least a decade. So like for him to have not given anything to the culture, but like even now, like new niggas come out and like doing Drake, but they let him.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

For sure. I mean, people do Drake in every single genre, and you know what I mean, every lane in hip hop. He's kinda I yeah, I think I give Drake more credit than anyone for like changing the sound of music, period, across the board. Um, so he's always had a clones. What was I gonna say? Um so where did you where did you start with Drake? I know, taking it back a little bit, like what was the first project where you got in?

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Um, I think I got in actually pretty early. I remember he dropped um Ransom with Lil Wayne, or Lil Wayne dropped Ransom with him. And um Ransom was one of my favorite songs for like the year or summer that it dropped, you know what I mean? Like I was playing that. It's back when we had MP3s and I had to go music installed on my MP3. Like I listened to that song all the goddamn towel. Um, and there was a Wayne mixtape or something going on at the time where I was I was heavily in the Wayne kick.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

And um it feels like there's like a whole bunch of songs, like I don't know. It feels like from that whole era, there's like 10 or 15 Drake and Wayne songs that like don't even exist anymore. Do you know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Yeah, yeah, exactly what you mean. I know exactly what you mean. Um, but yeah, so I heard that um then my mixtape kid stuff was like I just started digging, you know what I mean, figuring out like where else could I find his music or what else did he have going on? And um I was looking up more uh Young Money and Lil Wayne projects because again, I was heavily on the Wayne, like everything coming out of Young Money, I was on it. Like I was listening to Gutta Gutta mixtapes who had a couple good mixtapes.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

You say you say the most wild rap, the most random rapper you could imagine was into at one point.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

Yeah, no, I was he had some he had some shit. He had a couple, he had like two mixtapes that was fire. Um, but yeah, I listened to all of them. Um and then I first like my first, I think the first Drake mixtape, whatever I saw, was the October's very old, where the nigga looking extra, extra, like I don't even know how to I don't even know how to describe it, but like looking looking like a light skinned fucking um is that the one with the peacoat? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Yeah, that one, that one, yeah, that didn't help the the soft allocation. That one looked like a like a coffee table poetry book.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Bro, I did not know what I could find that shit every time I see it. I'm like, what was that? What was this? Like, but uh yeah, I saw I saw that shit and uh never listened to it. I've never listened to that album yet. I saw that, and then like a little bit after that, he dropped So Far Gone, and there was uh Unstoppable is on there with Lil Wayne, and I I like really liked Unstoppable because the beat was super weird or whatever. I was like, all right, let me go check out So Far Gone and then Successful was on there, and then like Yeah, you know what I mean? That it's So Far Gone was So Far Gone. Um and I remember what I really what I thought was really, really cool was he was the first artist whose mixtape music I heard end up on the radio. So you know what I mean? Like I had never heard nobody drop a mixtape and then that song make it to radio play, but successful was huge.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Successful was huge, bro.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

Everywhere. And so um from there, I just kind of been on the I think what was I never I didn't like Thank Me Later. I really I didn't really like it like uh Fireworks is good. I didn't really I wasn't really a fan of Fancy. Everybody loves Fancy.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say Fancy. That's like that's a bag, I wish. I mean I guess he kind of gets into it a little bit, but fancy and um the one with the song with a dream on it on that album, where he goes into the breakdown, the the second half breakdowns on that album, fire. I'm trying to think of what uh what song is that Shut It Down.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Oh yeah. Um, but is it um was it?

SPEAKER_01 9:31

I'm I'm so proud of you on that too. Um I think make me proud's on take care. Make you proud's on take care. Oh, that's what it is. Yeah, uh So far gone's like Over and Miss Me and Um Light Up with Jay-Z, Unforgettable, etc.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Yeah, Light Up is good than a bitch, though. Light Up is good than a bitch.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

Yeah, no, it's it's a good album. I just I don't think it's his best. Uh I guess later we can talk about all of them, but I don't think it's his best, but it's solid.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Yeah, no, Think Me Later is definitely um, I would say overrated. I think I think Take Care is the classic, and I feel like everybody is it is it take care or nothing was the same?

SPEAKER_01 10:11

As a youth, and for most of my life, I thought Take Care, but I prefer listening to Nothing Was the Same more now. And I think nothing was the same as some of his like too much, uh Pound Cake, uh the Janae Aiko song, uh Wu language, Wu-Tang Free.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Yeah, there's just Yeah, Wu-Tang Free.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

I mean, we'll kind of get into it a little uh when we talk about this one, but those back before he was like, I'm doing 30 songs, I was in. I was locked in before he was doing 30 songs.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Yeah, I know I still haven't listened to views, man. I still like you still haven't listened to any of views? I've I've listened to some of you. Like I like some songs. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

I guess you have to have heard one dance.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Yeah, yeah. But like I haven't ever gone through the album. I don't think I did, I don't think I did that with more life either. I don't think I listened to views or more life, only because people kept telling me that they were like mixtape albums and demo albums and shit. So I was like, Yeah, I guess I'll I'll skip those or whatever. A playlist or some shit like that. Like it wasn't an album or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Yeah. I just it's it's just a it's it's just a bunch of songs. I've never, it doesn't matter what a nigga says they're putting out. They're putting out a bunch of songs, I'll listen to a bunch of songs.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

Oh no. Hey man, somebody said it was a mixtape album. I was like, Yeah, I can I can pass it.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

You don't like you don't like mixtapes?

SPEAKER_00 11:44

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was a Drake mixtape because the last mixtape album broke my heart. And it was if you're reading this, it's too late. I did that break your heart because when look, look, you people don't remember how hard it was to be a Drake fan in those days, bro. So, like as a nigga who was like, hey, I I was much more of a stand than I am now, you know what I mean? Like, I was like to me, like, hey, that nigga Drake is one of the hottest they were doing. And niggas would hit me with the same thing, like the nigga that be singing, that nigga don't even gonna be rapping, that nigga be singing. I was like, Y'all won't be listening, the nigga can bar up. Then he dropped that album of all bars. Do you understand how happy I was in the streets? And I was like, we got one. Let a nigga tell me he don't rap no more. I'm gonna put this bitch on, we're gonna play this bitch all the way through, then tell me that nigga don't rap. A week later, oh no, that like a month later, reference tracks. And I was like, like, ah bro, I've been out here telling niggas, I've been putting this on for everybody, nigga. Like now I now I look goofy as fuck, cause you like feelings. I was like, never do it. Nigga told me niggas album. I was like, yep, I'm I'm cool.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

I like I mean, but still, I like sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. I got you.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

I catch you.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Um yeah, I I started, I remember like Drake is such an old artist, low-key, that I remember finding out about him on I want to say MTV or like BET because it was like I was at home during the summer and it was like daytime music television. We're talking to an artist and playing videos, a thing that doesn't exist anymore. We go to bed, grandpa. Um, but they were like, yo, this is this dude, Drake, and it was uh what was the the um you the best, best I ever had. They were premiering that, and I remember being like, I've never heard anything like this. So I was locked in from there. My sister was locked in, super locked in, and that made me even more locked in. And it's sad to not, I don't know if it's sad to say, but Spotify just did a thing where it was like, because it's Spotify's anniversary, so they're like, we're gonna show you all your stats from all time and like show you the first song you ever listened to, and all this. And it told me Drake's my most listened to artist of all time, which I just don't like that, you know what I mean? I love Drake a lot as like an artist, but I don't I don't that doesn't make me feel good about what's gone into me in terms of influence. Like when I realized I was raised by Kanye and Drake in a lot of ways, like in terms of how I like look at the world and present myself and my outlooks, that's grim for like my outcomes as a nigga, like um, but yeah, like I I think I was like after the beef, I just wanted him to get back to making good music, and I think it had been a while to me since he had put out a good album. I think the last album I enjoyed was the 21 Savage album and the last solo Drake album.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

I think for all the dogs?

SPEAKER_01 14:54

No, I we talked about this at Nausea. For All the Dogs is not good. Um, we're gonna like no no, Zai, it's not. No one no one thinks that's one of the better pieces of his discography besides you, For All the Dogs. People don't even remember he put that album out.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

They sleep, man. They sleep.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

I listen, listen, Drake, my most listened to artist of all time, provable. I cannot tell you a song off of that album.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

Shake it my head.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

You're so many but the the the teaser one dog the dog interlude. I don't that's all I got as a guess. There was no hit. Like, what was the hit?

SPEAKER_00 15:34

I guess there was no hit.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

I can't like I that's a guy I like, and I can't tell you a song, so I can't I can't I can't stand by it's a good project, but I respect your opinion.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Such a good project, though. Like, it's just whatever, whatever, continue.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

So my expectations uh coming into this were pretty low just because he to me hasn't delivered a good album in quite a while. Best case scenario, there will be like half good songs. That was how I felt going into it. When it dropped, as we kind of talked about before, like I I have the same dream like a lot of people have, where I'm like, man, I wish Drake would just put out one perfect 12-song album and really trim the fat. Because like there's so many projects, Scorpion views, I'll even pretend and put for all the dogs in this category where it's like there is a good album in here if it was 10 to 12 songs, but you've added sexy red, superfluous, sexy red features, 21 Savage is here too many times. Like, you know what I mean? So when I saw Iceman came out and it was only 18 songs, I was like, that's great. I was like, we're up, he's back. I listened to the first song. The first song uh I think is one of the best, like I think it addresses everything in a really uh engaging way, and that shows he's reflected and that shows makes you feel I won't say like empathetic for him, but he puts it into perspective being like, hey, I've got like real life shit going on, by the way. So like little hip hop beef over here only matters so much to me, which is real when you have like my dad died of cancer, so like him saying that shit to me. I was like, Yeah, I get it, there's bigger fish to fry. So I listened to the first song. I'm I'm so excited. I'm like, it's a short project, he's clearly done some reflecting. Before I even get to the second project, I see that it's three albums and 40 songs overall. And I was just like, fuck this. I was just like in my head, I because I also knew I we wanted to pod. So I'm like, I'm really gonna have to. For me, I don't want to do it if I'm having at least listened to them. So now I gotta listen to 40 songs before tomorrow, and I got a job, like so. The first listen I had through of all of them, I I I'm I'm happy we didn't record Friday because I would have been like, fuck all this, it's bad, I hate it. Cause I just back to back to backed it with like the worst attitude. But having listened to it all more, I think it's really good. At least Iceman, I think it's really good. And all of them as a unit are entertaining. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Yeah, no, I Iceman is really good. Habidi is really is okay. Um, and then made he could have kept made of honor, he could have kept made honor.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

I was like, Yeah, that was not, I don't know who that was for, but really, I like Made of Honor because Made of Honor is like you gotta give Maid of Honor another. Have you listened? I I've have you listened to all of them more than once or just once?

SPEAKER_00 18:56

Only only Iceman more than once.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

I would say give Maiden Honor and Habidi more another listen. Cause what helped me parse them out or like think about it is like Iceman's like, here it is, here's the album everyone wants, the rap album. Maid of honor is kind of him, I feel like, departing and being like, I'm going back to this like Nokia, like honestly never mind sound where I'm kind of like, I think it's like experimental and like interesting in a lot of ways. Uh it's not the bet, it's not like bars and there's weird beats, and there is my least favorite Drake, which he does on this a lot, which is the and the girls with the asses out. Um I'm all what you talking about. Got Drake, you know what I mean? Like, so when he gets into that bag, I'm always like, all right, man, we like the like New Orleans bounce like announcer type shit.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

It's uh it's uh he always loses me when he gets into his like UK and UK slang bag. He always loses me because I'm like, bro, no, like stop it. Like every time he says demand them or like whatever the fuck he be saying, it always be I'm like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

You don't you don't like which one? Um what the fuck did he be saying? Um no, I'm talking about the song which one, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

I wasn't it's uh it's um the most it's he doesn't have a made of honor. He that's why I don't really tap in on made of honor. I'm like, yeah, you you kind of you lose me. I don't know who this is for, but this ain't if it's for them, more power. But you know teachers on I still say um for me like Iceman when I came into it, I was um I really didn't want to hear too much about the beef. I already wanted him to like, if he was gonna address the beef, like to like I want to say make a body of work, which is what Iceman is supposed to be, but like do it in a like don't dilute it into your album pool, you know what I mean? Like make like a a mixtape or something or a series of singles or something to the side and do all that, which he could have done with all those fucking unreleased response tracks and shit like that. He could have had a a nice little catalog of like shit to put in the fucking uh beef section or whatever, and then still gave us an album of him rapping. But like, like he says all throughout the album, and the shit clearly hurt and he didn't really ever like get over it. And he never really wanted to get over it. You know, you could tell, like, at least for me, he wanted to hold the grudge. Like he wanted to be like, I'ma every name is gonna stay on the list forever. Like, I'm you on that list, and I'm I don't wanna take you off. Like, I don't I don't want the whatever the fuck, you know what I mean? Like, I don't want whatever that could look like, or whatever you might want it to be on the back end, because I'll I'm it's up and it's stuck and so.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

Do you think he means that?

SPEAKER_00 21:58

Yeah, I I do when I saw. Well, I don't know. When I saw the first feature, the first feature was future, I was hella confused.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Those niggas have no future is the most spineless, respectfully slime on that.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

That song is old. You can tell just by how it's cut. Like it's an old track. Like this is something that they weren't gonna actually ever use. And I feel like he put it out there to be like, nigga, remember? Like, you know what I mean? Like um, just kind of like throwing, I don't know how what what what you would call it, but like just kind of being like, nigga, so we beefing? You don't remember this one we had in the cut, nigga? I I still got it. And so um I feel like I feel like they didn't cut that recently. Like they didn't get in the stew and make that. He's just had he just had that one sitting on it. Cause you can tell when you hear it sound like something that they would make, but that they wouldn't put out. You know what I mean? Like you don't sound like, what do you mean? It's like a good song.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

I don't think I think it's entertaining. I don't think it's a good song from the sake of from the standpoint of it does the thing that a lot of the songs do on this album, unfortunately, where it's like 90 seconds of one beat and then 30 seconds of a whole different thing and then 90 more seconds of a third thing. So it's like you never really can like get into enjoying it because every time you're like nodding your head, it's like new beat, and you're like, Alright, cool.

SPEAKER_00 23:27

That's why I like uh Janet Shut the Fuck Up because it's the one it's the one, it's the one beat where he like I wish he did the chorus three times on it though, but it's the one beat where it's like a little weird, a little different, but he finds a pocket on it and you get to enjoy it the whole way through. You know what I mean? Like it isn't inside.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

I think that's probably the best song on there to me. Janet Shut the Fuck Up. Yeah, it's the one I come back to. It's the one I've been humming the most. The beats really cool. That the chorus is infectious.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

Yeah, chorus on that so much. But um shebang goes hard than the bitch too.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Shebang's cool. I feel like shebang, I don't know how much replay value shebang might get boring after a while, but shebang's cool for sure.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Yeah, no, shebang is my my second, my second most played when I go back and listen to him.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

Before while while we're on ran to Atlanta, that is, did the Kendrick Lamar? It's just so funny to me, as you know, someone who cares a lot about Atlanta, and you know, did at the time find that you know verse about Drake running to Atlanta. Like, I was like, uh, like everyone else, I was like, oh, he got him. That like all the niggas in Atlanta have been like, no, we love Drake. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Like that's what I was that's what I was saying. I was like, everybody was like, oh, he ran to Atlanta. I'm like, bro, they love him now.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

We love it, yeah. That's what I was saying. Atlanta loves Drake. Drake loves Atlanta, like it's not, it's not purely like stealing culture. Like, is he it's it's a mutually beneficial relationship, I guess is the best way of saying it.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

Yeah, this is fair. He's definitely going down there and uh and uh like what like morphing or adapting to how you want to wanna to the environment, but yeah, I don't think it was ever like a one-way thing. I think hell, that's why niggas continue to give him features and shit. You know what I mean? That's why niggas continue to reference him and be like it's all love always. The only nigga that ever had an issue with him that we know is Metro Boomer. He needs to shut the fuck up and go play some drums.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Yeah, I wonder how Metro when the when the like uh the when the future feature came out on the Drake album, I would like to see Metro's face just but like what so like doing to doing two albums, I like again, we don't care because it's future, but doing two diss albums, like essentially about a nigga, and then next be just being on his next album is all time. I'm just here for vibes.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

I'm telling you that that was in the cut.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Cause like I feel like if like with even if it's in the cut, like you can't just you have to future would have to clear that.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

I feel well, you think so?

SPEAKER_01 26:09

A hundred percent. He would it would be off DSPs right now if future didn't want it on there. That's how you can't just yeah, no. That's fair, that's fair.

SPEAKER_00 26:21

That does kind of change everything.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Then it's like I I was thinking that like it might be old, but like there's no way future you can't just put out a future song without telling future. That's people would have problems with that. That's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

But I I bet you I bet you Metro Star, he probably smacked his lip once like, this old whole ass nigga.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

Yeah, it's just like what happened? I thought it was fuck that guy. We got t-shirts and say, fuck that guy.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Yeah, man. I you know, I still haven't sat down and listened to um We Don't Trust What We See.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

I know you don't have to just I'm just assuming you haven't listened to any album unless you've told me you've listened to it. How many times, even this episode, you're gonna be like, you know, by the way, I haven't even listened to uh I've been out of the loop, man. You're gonna be like, by the way, guys, I haven't even listened to Iceman. By the way, uh I've been meaning to say that. These are some opinions I read on Reddit.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

Yeah, no, I fuck with I fuck with it so far, I fuck with it so far. Give uh Maiden Honor and Habidi. Is it Habidi or Habi TT?

SPEAKER_01 27:27

I'm not the one to know. The second way you said it sounds wrong, though. I'll tell you that right now.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

Um give them another playthrough. I'm gonna see what they're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

Yeah, how I didn't mind him speaking about the beef because like I I just don't know what other way forward there was, especially from a rap perspective. He was definitely in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation where like if he didn't talk about it, people were gonna be like, oh, so you're just ignoring it, but if he did talk about it, people are gonna be like, I've seen people be like, Why? Why why can't he get over this beef? I'm like, why can't he get over the beef on the very this is the first album he dropped after the beef, and he's a rapper, so Jay Z talked about Nas in perpetuity.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

So the songs that I have I put on my playlist that I fuck with. I got shebang, bees on the table, too hard for the radio, make them remember, don't worry, firm friends, make them know, and Janice hit the fuck up. Then I got WNBA and High Fives from Habidi, and then True Bestie and Princess from Maid of Honor. I gave them all a I gave them all a like a fair shot. I'm like, I'm gonna listen to you. I believe you listen to listen to all this shit talking about. But your 47 songs was crazy when I first seen it. I wasn't like, damn, are you 47? Do is that a necessity? Like, is that what we need to do?

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Uh I got I it helped me like when I realized that because at first when I saw uh all the songs, I was like, oh man, he just didn't know how to edit. But it does seem like I don't know how much editing there are, because ultimately there were 40 songs still. But each of the albums uh has a specific vibe to it, and they definitely all I feel like Iceman and and um the Maid of Honor could reasonably stand like function as standalone projects, definitely Iceman. Um, but Hobiti is definitely like uh I just got these two while while we're here just releasing songs. I don't really have anywhere else to put these. Um, but they're not bad.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Do you believe the um the rumor that he did that to get out of the deal or like to complete his contract?

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Yeah, see, uh the I I love Frank Ocean, and I love everything Frank Ocean's ever done musically. One of the worst things Frank Ocean has contributed to our cultural music discourse is him finessing his label to get out of his deal. Do you know that's the whole story?

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Uh uh.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

So where the people are talking about, what people are talking about with Drake is a strategy that basically was first mastered by Frank Ocean, where Frank Ocean had basically a three two-album deal with Def Jam. After Channel Orange, he had one more album to put out before he was free. And because he wanted to put out his masterpiece, Blonde, independently, he put out one album right before he put out, like the day before he put out Blonde, he put out Endless, which is an album that he put out gave to Def Jam. It was on Apple Music, yada yada. Um, and he did that to get out of his contract. Boom. I don't know if it's like literally the first time it's ever been done, but when people are referencing it now and being like, oh, did someone do this to get out of their contract? That's the situation they're referencing. And I say, and I said, like, I hate that he contributed this to the cultural discourse, because no one else has ever really been trying to do that or done that. But whenever people are in a weird label situation or when artists put out like a bad album, uh it it's kind of becomes like a just a a thing people toss out, like, oh, this is not this is you don't get it. They're doing a Frank Ocean thing. Um people did it with I don't know if you remember Uzi's most recent album, people might not know, is Eternal Attake 2. Uh have you heard it? No, no, I haven't of course, I know. Um that one was not fair. I'm sorry, that one was not fair. Um, but yeah, he put it out. It's the worst Uzi album by a country mile. I physically ill listening to the album. I didn't know an artist I like could make an album that bad. But after he put it out and people started shitting on it, some of his fans started being like, maybe he was doing a Frank Ocean. And so Uzi started liking comments where people were like, if he's doing a Frank Ocean, it's like, nah, bro, we're not. You just put out some ass. So all that to say Drake's not doing that, uh, because it's uh it says all of these records are released under his label. So in theory, he could have a fourth album that he's gonna drop tomorrow independently that has all the quote unquote hits on it, but then that's kind of been debunked.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

That would have happened already.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

What'd you say?

SPEAKER_00 32:44

That would have happened already, knowing him, that would have happened immediately.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Yeah, then the fourth album would be crazy, man. Uh at four, I would nah.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

Alright, if he did drop a fourth album, but it was hotter than all the other three, that's gonna like it's gonna get more talk because of that. You know what I mean? It's like this nigga dropped the fourth album and it's it scorched the first three, like he could have just kept the first three.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Yeah, but say at that point, people are gonna be like, Why'd you even put out the first three?

SPEAKER_00 33:12

Because of my contract, the Franco.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

Oh, sure, sure. I mean, it it the the part that's always weird to me with that is like I don't know, it just feels weird to make like art, your art is your art, you know what I mean? Like it feels so weird to be like, I'm making this art out of spite, you know, like I'm I'm making this art to fulfill a contract, and it's like it's not that it can't be done, and I get like a lot of artists are in situations that are actually like kind of similar to that in some way, I imagine.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

But Lupe Fiasco did it with lasers. Um, because he still he had a I don't know, I don't know where he's at with that. I don't even know if that's filling his radar anymore. Um, but he had well, his first two albums, he was gonna do um like a trilogy uh thing with them, and like now his third album was gonna be it's supposed to be L-U-P- Uh E or no L-U-P 3. Uh yeah, L-U-P-3, um, the end. It was supposed to be the last uh album in his trilogy. And I think it was because he was signed to a three-alum deal. But um something happened, and I guess he wanted to get out of the deal, or they rejected one of his albums, so he put out Lasers, which is easily one of his weakest albums ever. Um But it was his last album contractually with whoever he was signed to. I don't remember who he was signed to at the time. Yeah, he uh got out of his contract with them on that album and then uh went on to produce um one of his better albums in Food and Laker 2 afterwards. Food and Laker 2 is so fucking good. Um Food and Laker 1 is really good too, but he's one of my favorite artists, and he's he pulled the Frank Arcean. That's where I first where I heard I I didn't know about the Frank Arcean thing. That's when you were talking about it, that's what it sounded like to me. Just showing my thickness.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

Um Yeah, what I was saying before though, like I didn't mind him uh addressing the beef. I feel like it do you feel like because he he addressed Kendrick straight, like he doesn't call him by name, but he very clearly addresses him and the situation straight on, and definitely like the line I think of is him being like the white people f white kids feel guilt, and that's why you have sales, something along those lines, which I don't think anyone could mistake as like a shot about anyone else um besides Kendrick. So I don't necessarily like mind I don't mind the beef of it all, especially the jossing back and forth with Kendrick, like I said, even after Ether, like Jay-Z took still took shots at Nas and shit. But the the petty beefs are are weird. Like, I don't care about you and LeBron's relationship. I don't know why you think I care about you and LeBron's relationship, but heads up, I don't.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

The Kali dis was just that threw me all the way. What did Khaled do?

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Like, yeah, I I like I guess Drake's just standing on 10 for Palestine. That's it. He's just like, man, this nigga won't speak up. I gotta send some shots.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

I mean, so but people are saying people are trying to say he dissent streamers, like Tyson. I'm like, now we're getting into the weeds, now we get lost, now we're losing a plot. Like, man, dissing streamers is wild. I may, maybe, but I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

That's how I feel. That's why I said like I don't mind the if you're actually gonna take Jarab is at Kendrick or Rocky or people that are somewhat at your level and engaged in this. Weird, it feels like he doesn't like J. Cole anymore, which is like very funny to me. That J. Cole also, because I never considered it. Like J. Cole tapped out of the beef and was just like, I'm just sorry to Kendrick. Drake, like, whatever, but um, I have a lot of respect for Kendrick, so I'm not gonna do this beef. And I was like, you know what? If I was Drake, that would kind of piss me off.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

Like, nigga, you jumped out there for me. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

We made we made the song, and now you're like, I have so much respect for Kendrick, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

Yeah, he didn't that the whole time didn't address anything with Drake in that regard at all. And he only started speaking about Drake in the interviews after. Man, that interview run that J. Cole went on, that shit needs to be studied for a motherfucking uh ducking and dodging questions. Because that nigga talked his way through every question and did not provide a single answer. A master class, like a gaslighting masterclass.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

No depth. He has very little depth, and also like he doesn't want like the hard part about being a rapper uh and doing what he did is like you low-key ruined it, like your your whole thing, you know. Like, if you're I'm the bars rapper, I'm anyone can I can bar up anyone, I would never back down, niggas don't want to step to me. That's your shit. And then you do the hey, hey guys, I don't wanna I actually don't want to be too mean here. Like you're you can't address that directly, or it completely shatters the facade you have as quote unquote rapper.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

Yeah, nah, facts, facts. That shit, if I I don't know, man. I feel like I feel like the cold disc was a little unnecessary, but like I'm sure Cole was somewhere standing like, what he say fuck me for?

SPEAKER_01 38:43

Like No, Cole definitely knows that's why I said Cole's like, uh, I also Drake said he didn't return his call or something like that. So I don't know. I feel like Cole's probably like, uh uh, I don't know. I got I got into he realized that his friendship with Drake was probably negatively affecting his friendship with Kendrick. So he was like, I gotta who do I want to be friends with more.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

Yeah, you think you think siding with Kendrick was for the image?

SPEAKER_01 39:12

No, I think he's just like he likes Kendrick more. Like, like they're I they're closer to the same nigga than Drake is to either of those niggas, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 39:22

This is fair, this is fair.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

Not in terms of ability, but in terms of like, you know.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

I think that um I if I was the if I was them, I probably wanted the Kendrick friend too, because Drake seemed like he'd be a tough person to be friends with.

SPEAKER_01 39:35

Uh it it I don't know. I I would be Drake's friend, but that's parasitic. That's only coming from a parasol. I mean, I why do you think Drake would be hard to be friends with?

SPEAKER_00 39:47

Because um he's like a suffocating energy in the room, and like he probably needs that attention and needs that pampering from his homies and everyone around him. And like that gets exhausting, you know what I mean? Only thing that doesn't get exhausting is if he's fueling it, you know what I mean. If he's buying you chains and cars, like he always saying he's doing, then you probably are always gassed up whenever you see this nigga with this nigga, but like I just I don't know how much my I don't know how many chains I have in, you know.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

Yeah, for sure. He does seem like a nigga that's always trying to get everyone in for a toast, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 40:20

You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, like hey, let's gather around. I love you niggas, man.

SPEAKER_01 40:24

Yeah, he's way too often being like, guys, I just want to say, like, oh, I fucking love us. Like, we're the fucking boys, man. Like, we're the boys. It's like, dog, this is the second time you've done this tonight, and we haven't even gotten any bottles and uh, like you are a nigga probably does that shit all the time.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

Every time they go out to eat or whatever, and it's a spread, he like, yeah, we we the niggas restaurant now, like nigga, we we get it, bro. We all get it. Like, but yeah, I just I feel like that would be exhausting. Especially if you're like like another um another huge celebrity in the same field, you know what I mean? Like at some point, at some point the things you say have to be real or real life to you, and like have to be coming from a true space of your character. And like, if you're not rapping about the like little Yachty and Drake being friends makes sense in my mind. You know what I'm saying? Like when I hear about how they what they what they talk about and how they like what they rap about and how they seem to live life, it makes sense that I would see them two in the same spaces together, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 41:32

But they both seem like they have similarly arrested development, you know.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Perfect way to put it. Perfect. But um with that being said, like seeing as Cole, you the shit you talk about so much, he is like like I think about a lot of the um anti-well, I can't even say that for Cole because he don't even know what he's misogynistic, but a lot of the like anti-misogynistic like aspects of his lyrics, I wouldn't even like I can't even say it's a direct thing, but like the space that that does exist within his lyrics, like some of the things that Drake's Drake is probably one of the most misogynistic rappers next to future ever. You know what I mean? Like he is the antithesis of the shit that J. Cole puts out. And so like when I found that they was close friends that they was, I was like, that's kind of surprising. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know who that says more about um, considering the the realness of the conversation between Cole and Drake, I feel like it says more about uh Drake than it does Cole. Um that Drake is either a uh professional chameleon or like just a good guy, just a genuinely good, goofy, doofy dude.

SPEAKER_01 42:41

And so yeah, I mean the thing is like as much as we look at all those guys as different, they do ultimately have much more in common than they have different in terms of like who they are as people.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

They all got to that same spot, so and they all came up pretty much around the same time, and like you know, they were like, damn, it used to be us and Big Sean and Wale and fucking spec on my boys, man.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

I've been saying the last couple weeks that the two most slipped on rappers of all time have to be Big Sean and Wale.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

Wow, I think that's so funny because on my street there's posters because Big Sean is going on tour, but he is opening for Russ, and there's posters for that. And I I saw that, yeah, and I had the same look. I was like, damn, damn, damn.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

It's a new generation, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

If you told me that in 2016, because I think Russ has even been out for a while, too. So, like, they probably like Russ was probably out when Big Sean was still Big Sean. So if you would have told me that would have flipped, that nah, I wouldn't have believed you. Russ has a fan base, bro. Like, oh, for sure. Russ built it from the ground. Like I take nothing away from him.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

Yeah, a fan base. For sure, for sure. They gonna show up for him wherever he goes. He's gonna sell out wherever he goes. But um, then that's that's crazy. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

But you are right. Like, I don't know if I don't know about underrated. Underrated might be correct. Big Sean and Wale are just like the biggest victims to me of just taste not being for them, if that makes sense. Like, I think they're I don't know if I can say at this point we've seen so much more from Kendrick Cole and Drake that like putting them in the same category in terms of like talent doesn't feel fair, but in terms of like when they were all starting, and I don't know, it does it did seem like those guys were all at like a similar level of talent and ability, and the music they're all putting out like around like 2010, 2012 was all like of a similar quality.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

It's gonna be it's gonna be a hot take. I'm sure nobody's gonna agree with me. But I think Big Sean will watch Kendrick.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

Yeah, man. You just say whatever. You just get on to God's internet and say whatever. Like he didn't even watch him on uh control.

SPEAKER_00 45:14

Nobody watched Kendrick on control because then nobody know he was coming like that.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

Like you're I mean, what do you like? So like you don't think Big Sean recorded re rewrote his verse after he heard Kendrick verse? I don't think there's I don't think there's any way Big Sean didn't rewrite his verse after he heard Kendrick verse.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

I think he heard that shit and was like, I went pretty hard. I think he I think he still like he went pretty hard, which he did go pretty hard, but he didn't do what Kendrick did.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Big Sean went really, really hard. Like I won't take that away from him. Big Sean did go really, really, really hard on that song. I as soon as this is over, I'm listening to that song immediately. I fucking that was the shit when that dropped. Oh my god. Oh my god. Being a hip hop online fan when that shit dropped, that was the peak.

SPEAKER_00 45:58

The highlight for me was that he mentioned big crit.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

I was like, Well, do you remember? Yeah, Mac Miller tweeted, like, hey, like we in that bitch. The most respect that's ever been put on Max Miller's name. Rest in peace.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

Um, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I mean, I don't know, man. I feel like Sean Sean will body him.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

I feel like what I'll say about Big Sean is when I was looking at the poster, it just got me thinking about Big Sean a lot. And what I was saying about him and Wale being victims of taste is what I mean is like the only reason I think they put in all the necessary work and made all the necessary songs to be huge stars, people just didn't fuck with them. You know what I mean? Like those guys really barred up, they really knew how to make like interesting RB songs, especially Wale. Wale had so many songs that could have been huge crossover hits that kind of hit, but like never really made him like a star.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

And it was weird because like what was it about Lotus Flower Bomb? Like it was like it was so close to being the perfect rap RB song, it just wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Yeah, the song he did with uh Rihanna, I think the bad uh that got I don't know if that went number one, but that was kind of huge for a second. He had a couple moments like that where you're like, oh, this seems like he's gonna be one of the guys. But then his albums like were always good. Like, I haven't he hasn't put on a bad album. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's like they've done to me, they've checked all I don't know why Wale is not J. Cole. You know what I mean? Like, it's only because people happen to like J. Cole. I don't think J. Cole is better or is like a more interesting artist. I just think people just liked the Forest Hill Drive of a disproportionate amount, and that got him on.

SPEAKER_00 47:55

Disrespect, the disrespect, you know. But hey, it's neither that's neither here nor the guy.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

I'm happy we ended up talking about wale on this podcast. That was my goal when I said when I was like, let's do an Iceman podcast, it'll be about wale for sure. Um so a question I have for you does Drake know how to make actual hits anymore? Because if you put out some of these songs, I think will be hits in the sense that they're popular Drake songs, no doubt. But I think any you'd be hard pressed to find any song, anyone who thinks any of these songs are like, oh, this one's going up this summer for sure.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

Yeah, no, I um I think that um no you know what I mean, but I also feel like hit culture doesn't exist anymore. Like, and I feel like not like us, it's probably the last hit because like how do we measure hits? Because before it was like you couldn't go anywhere in the club or the radio and not hear the song. But like those scene the radio doesn't really exist anymore, unless you are one of the few people who still chooses to use it on your phone, which is fucking weird. But um, but yeah, like the radio doesn't exist anymore.

SPEAKER_01 49:21

And so this is just real quick to prove your point. If you look on the Billboard High 100, it's gonna be different next week because of Drake. But last week, do you know what rapper had the highest charting song?

SPEAKER_00 49:32

Who?

SPEAKER_01 49:33

The Baby.

SPEAKER_00 49:34

What was the number?

SPEAKER_01 49:36

Like 25 or something.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

Yeah, that's not a good look for hip hop. No. What was the song?

SPEAKER_01 49:45

Huh?

SPEAKER_00 49:46

What was the song?

SPEAKER_01 49:47

I haven't I haven't heard it. I didn't look into it. Um, I guess maybe I will. I don't want to get off on a debaby tangent. That was just to say like there are no more hits anymore.

SPEAKER_00 49:57

Yeah, nah, yeah. I don't think that I don't think hit culture exists anymore. And I think to what you're saying, where like they'll be popular Drake songs, like doesn't that make them a hit?

SPEAKER_01 50:09

Uh I think a hit is like, is this popular to people that aren't predispositioned to listen to Drake? You know what I mean? Like people that didn't listen to Drake were listening to Hotline bling one dance, whatever, insert whatever song you want to say.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

Um no, I don't think so. I don't I don't think that he even if he could, I don't think he has the reputation to do so anymore. I think that you have to have a level of like respect and notoriety for a hit to happen. Because like we've heard bad hits. And because the artist that put it out was the artist that put it out, you know what I mean? And it wasn't even so much that like, oh, everybody loves this song. It's like, nah, this song is bad, but it's everywhere because of who this artist is. And like we're gonna call it a hit because of who this artist is. Drake doesn't have the privilege of hits anymore.

SPEAKER_01 50:59

I just see, and I excuse me. I agree with you, but also Nokia exists, and that Nokia did go up.

SPEAKER_00 51:09

Nokia only went up because of party next door, brother.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

No, no, no. Niggas are not PND fans for real. Like, I like PND. Niggas niggas is not PND fans for real. Internationally, women are sure, but Nokia was big. Um I'm not taking anything away from PND, but I don't think PND is propelling a song in a number one. I don't know if Nokia went number one, but as as big as it was.

SPEAKER_00 51:39

I feel like if it was just Drake, it wouldn't have been as big as it was. Oh, I agree to disagree. I mean yeah, I just I don't know, man. I feel like I feel like the whole album was um PD carried. Not even P and D carried, but I feel like the whole album is basically like Drake hiding behind P and D.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

Oh for sure. For sure. But it's like he's hiding behind him, but you still know he's there, right? You know what I mean? And I think it can go either way. It's hard because like it didn't seem like he tried to make hits, though. You know what I mean? Like, I think there is an acknowledgement that hit culture is like you said, kind of over. But I was interested to see, like, is it really? You know what I mean? Like, I was like, is if Drake locks in, I still think he can make it like a smash, though I will say his ability to write catchy, I won't say he can't write catchy stuff anymore, like the uh Janna shut the fuck up parts, catchy, and there's a handful of other ones, but in terms of like uh like a like a hook that's gonna like get pop like a pop hook. I don't know if he can do a pop hook anymore. Or if he wants to, frankly.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

I personally I don't think that he can, but I also don't think that he wants to. I think that he is so thirsty for the respect that he feels like he's been deprived of that we're gonna we're done seeing hitmaker Drake. Like the the next year or so of Drake we're finna have is the Drake with the grudge on the shoulder, the rapping Drake. We're gonna hear that Drake. And for like, there's not gonna be no more um might get another sexy red feature here and there, but I don't think it's gonna be too many um too many um hip chasers, you know what I mean. I don't think he's gonna I don't think he's going out like that anymore. Um but no, I I don't know if he there's a couple songs in there I was thinking about like when you hear it, like you can hear where the ghostwriters helped. Like he can still rap, you know what I mean? He can still clearly put pen to pad and come up with some shit. But when you look at the songs like that that are credited just to him, you can tell that it's just him. You know what I mean? I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I don't know if that's a good sign or a bad thing. Did I already say that on the pod? No. Yeah, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, because it's like you can tell where you can tell where the ghostwriting helped. You know what I mean? It's like you can all you can tell when it's not there, and you can also tell, at least for me, that it didn't change too much of anything. You know what I mean? It would just, it really, really helped him clean up the pockets and like fill in dead space or dead air.

SPEAKER_01 54:39

And so, um I also feel like there was an aspect of like what I think made Drake so such a hitmaker and such a just a big artist in general was his understanding of the current cultural moment and having an ability to use some use some slang people might not know and put and like put them onto that might be hot and like Legos or something, or be like, I'm gonna come up with a term like saying like calling the song Hotline Bling, you know what I mean? That's just a really eccentric way of saying phone call, you know what I mean? So I think one of his skills was like that and the running through the sticks with my woes of it all, you know what I mean? Was like being like, I'm I know how to like I'm tapped into what is cool, and I could also be a tastemaker of what is cool, and I feel like that's what Ghost Raddis in my from my perspective were probably helping with because it is so hard, especially when you're 40-year-old dude, to like really have your finger on the pulse and also be able to still like lead the charge and what is the you know the YOLO of it all, being able to like, no, I'm actually coming up with stuff that is like culturally forward as well.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:08

Um, yeah, I don't think that uh I think for him to do something like that though, he has to go like the TikTok route, which I'm glad I'm glad that he finally acknowledged that he's about to be 40. I didn't think they would ever see the day that he would acknowledge that he was over 35. So like I'm glad that we finally got Greg to acknowledge that he's almost 40.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

He's but he said he had the bar where he's like, if things go to plan, the boy will be turning into the man. And it's like, brother, you are 40. You are you've been the man. Yeah, you calling yourself the boy is not helping with the the the allegations, brother.

SPEAKER_00 56:46

But um, I feel like he couldn't, he can't go hit culture anymore because it almost exists solely on TikTok and social media. Like I don't know where the I don't where's the breaking sound at? Like I genuinely don't know where to find it. Like as I look, that's why I don't really listen to music anymore. Because like I'm like, man, where do I go to find just new fresh music? Like I don't want to just be scrolling through YouTube all day, clicking on every new video that I see pop up. And like I wanna like who is hot, you know what I mean? Like who is putting out some gas that we know is gas. Then I like I got artists like Sway Ve, you know what I mean, who I like, I've been bumping his shit everywhere, every time, everywhere. And so um, but uh yeah, I don't know where to find, you know, where where where do you go to find the new hot sound? Like, where do you go to find what's the new one in? Because TikTok, bro, I am old. I don't know how to swim through the ocean that is TikTok. Like, I don't know, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know what our up is down. Here's the thing, writers.

SPEAKER_01 57:48

Here's how you swim through the ocean. You just use the app. It's gonna show you, you just use the app and interact with things you like and ignore things you don't like. And over time, you're gonna find some shit. I mean, especially if you I mean, because that's how it works. Like, there's you don't really like you can go to pages and like follow people, but like TikTok doesn't show you the posts of the people you follow 90% of the time. It's trying to show you the shit it knows you're gonna watch. And um, so yeah, the the only thing is just get on there, watch it, like maybe find some pages and like a bunch of their shit, and that'll put you into more of that algorithm tree. And uh I don't I you also don't have to go on TikTok. There's other places to like figure out what's hot. Like you have to uh like you have to find people now. That's the thing, is like uh some people just be tapped into music. There's like blogs that are tapped into music, podcasts, uh YouTubers, us.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

It's I working on getting back tapped in, man. It's just too much going on. But yeah, I don't think that uh I don't think that he can make a hit in this climate. I don't think that he can. I I think it's too cool to dunk on him. It's like not, you know, it's not cool to co-sign him or whatever. And so like nobody, nobody's going to like hear a drink uh cut on TikTok unless it's like fire, a fire ass nippy. Nobody's gonna hear a drink on TikTok and be like, oh yeah, I want to put that on my next video or whatever the fuck. You know what I mean? Um they'll do it with his older stuff because his older stuff has already been solidified as his older stuff. Like it's already, it's it's pre-beef. It's pre before he got fucked over. And so um I don't want to say fucked over, but he got fucked up, but um now anything that comes after that is gonna be gonna be like, yeah, no, we not don't come over here looking for safety. We not, it's not over here. Like you still, you still in the hot seat. You still got allegations to answer. And so um, yeah, I don't think he can. I don't think he I don't think he has the capacity to make a hit, nor go back to what you said, I don't think he's trying to anymore. I honestly felt like this whole album, other than uh this whole body, these all three albums, other than Iceman, it didn't really seem like he was trying.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:05

Um what do you mean by trying? Like, because I think uh the other two, Habidi and Made of Honor, I wouldn't even really consider those rap projects. Like he is rapping on them, but uh Made of Honor is definitely like more electronic, kind of house influenced, and Habidi is definitely more like RB, hazy Drake uh type shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:29

Now the only rap album is Iceman. But I say he's not really trying when it comes to the other other albums, when it comes to like the music or the lyrics of like the production, 40 hats off every time, you know what I mean? But uh yeah, it's not like he's it doesn't sound like he's really like putting his heart into it or really trying to make anything or like really just he's just slapping some shit together and slapping some songs together and seeing what what sticks and some of it a lot of it doesn't, you know what I mean? And so it's like I wonder, I wonder if he's just done. Like, if is he he's not done making music, or is he done just being like, is he is the fire out of him? You know what I mean? Like, does he not really have the dog in him anymore? You know what I mean? That's what I wanted to do.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:15

You think the dude who just put out three albums is thinking about winding down? That's that's the vibe you're getting? Is that he's creatively tapped?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:24

Honestly, man, sometimes sometimes you empty your load, you gotta just lay down. You know what I mean? Sometimes you gotta let it all out and just lay down, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:32

Yeah, I think I feel like the the the other two projects, um, he's operating in a different mode. I I could I kind of feel like Habidi is kinda lazy. I don't know. I feel like it's like a I it was a fine I listening to it a second time, I'm like, this is fine, like background music. It's like a solid background music album, which isn't like a a very high compliment to give to music. But I think Maid of Honor, I don't know, I think you should listen to it again. I think he's trying, he's just doing a different thing. Um, but in in terms of what you're saying about like I don't know, for me, it's really hard to like song or like projects like Habiti or just songs where he's like doing the the crooning, whining about being heartbroken kind of thing still. It's like that shtick doesn't really work for me anymore. So like that's why I can kind of go with you and being like it's kind of like chessless, because it's like I I super used to like what got me into Drake almost, like at least the my like you know, experience listening to Take Care as like a teenager and like going through my first relationship and like all that to say at that point I really identified with Drake and could like connect with the emotional parts of his music. But probably since like maybe the last time was uh CLB. Since then it's been like real all of his emotional, like whiny, my heart's broken songs, those shits have not hit for me in years generally.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:19

Forgot about CLB. Another list of bangers, yo.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:26

Wait, wait, Zai, have you listened to CLB?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:29

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:30

Wow, confetti drop, drop the confetti.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:38

Remember, we used to we had the whole debate over uh way too sexy being a good song or not.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

Where did you stand? Huh? What was your did you think it was a good song?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:49

Yeah, you were like, this song is trash. I'm like, this what you tripping.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:53

You think uh we uh that it's wait, I don't need to relitigate that. That's not a good song. I don't know what you're talking about, brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:02

That is I think my uh my mic transmitted just died. Can you still hear me good?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:06

Yeah, I can still hear you.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

Yeah, no, that was um that was a that was a moment, man. What is too sexy was five. It was a moment.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

I it's it's really hard to put three of my favorite artists on a song and tell them just have fun and for me to hate what comes out of it, but boy, did that happen there.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:28

Yeah, way too sexy.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:30

I mean, I well it's like it's one thing to find a song annoying, but it's another thing to find a song annoying, and it does become like a super hit, and you just gotta and it's just repetitive, and you're just like, well, this is I guess we're all way too sexy this year.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

It was such a good song though. Oh man, COB, man, COB. That was a time. That was the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:55

COB was a time. I think um I don't know, where would where would you put Iceman in his catalog now? Where would you rank it amongst everything?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:09

Definitely a top three. Maybe number seven?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:18

Seven. Yeah, I mean, I'm I I and you still have and you probably haven't listened to what two or three of them?

unknown 1:05:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:26

So really it could be like ten, so not high.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:29

Yeah, it could be lower. I don't know the views, I don't think that views is gonna take me. Like, I think that like I enjoyed it. Well I've enjoyed what I've heard of it. Because uh views has nine on it, doesn't it? Yeah, I love nine.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

If you like nine, you'll like views because nine, like nine is a good encapsulation of the sound of views. I don't like nine, and so about half of views I'm not rocking with.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:56

Where where where why are we on these ends of Drake Spectrum.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:01

I don't think nine's a terrible song. I've just never had I've never turned it on on purpose.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:08

Um I love that bitch.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:10

Yeah, Drake is the king. Um, and it comes up many times on this album. He is the king of the bar that's either fire or the most corny shit you've ever heard, depending on how you feel about him. Because six upside down into nine now is the perfect example of dog, this is some bullshit, or my god, the boy did it again. Those are the only two ways to look at that. And I think that's we're standing on opposite sides of that aisle, and I think that's why we have separate feelings about this one.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:47

Hey, I ain't gonna hold you, man. The first time I heard that shit, six upside down, it's a nine now. I was like, Yeah, nigga, nine's around the board.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:56

No, you know he wrote that shit and he stood up in the studio and he was like, Yeah, and just dab somebody up. And he's like, Nah, I just wait till you hear this 140. Nah, I'll go in right now. I'll go in right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

Hey no, man, nine go crazy. But now that I know that that's that what views sound like I might give views a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:12

Yeah, nine is that's a that encapsulates the sound. Um views, views is like it's too long, but there's a good like I say about all the long Drake albums, there's a good album in there, it's just way too long. Uh have you heard Feel No Ways?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:27

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:28

I was about to say, Feel no ways is maybe my favorite Drake song, so that's up there.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:33

Where would you put Iceman on his on a on a on a tuna list?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:37

So does Iceman have more hits than an album like Scorpion? Are the highs as high as an album like Scorpion?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:47

Murphy is probably one of his best bodies at work.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

Uh see, this is this is the this is the this is the the crux of the issue I'm gonna present. It's really hard to rate Drake albums to me because for example, like I talked about with views just now, like I mentioned with Scorpion, the highs are so high, but the the six is also upside down. The six is also upside down, especially on a scorpion. But what Iceman makes like lacks in top-tier songs, it makes up for in really not that many bad songs. I really don't even know if there's any bad songs. I don't love, like I told you, I don't love the yo, it's Drake and I'm here to say about today. Like, it's not that it's bad. I just never like those songs when he does it. So there's a couple of those, whatever. I think it's it's not as good as it's not as good as Take Care Nothing Was the Same, or if you're reading this, it's too late. I think I'm not gonna count the 21 Savage album or the future album. I think after those top three, I could maybe hear it as like the fourth or fifth best Drake album, just in terms of for me, what I really like I love albums, like I love music, but I love albums in particular. Like I love to put on an album when I start doing something and listen to it start to finish, and I so rarely do that with Drake albums. I never, ever, ever, never, ever in my life have been like, let me just run Scorpion real quick, because it's 27 songs, and I don't like 24 of or not, it doesn't matter what the number is. So this is the first Drake album since maybe if you're reading this, it's too late that I'm like, oh, I could actually reasonably play this whole thing through, enjoy myself, and move on with my day. So I have it like top five-ish.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:55

Wow, top five is kind of crazy because um I know my top three, um, number one is probably it's a tie between see that nothing was the same, and if you're if you're reading this is too late, is a really close number two. And then Take Care is always gonna be number three, and then number four is probably for all for all the dogs. Can't believe the disrespect for all the dogs get, man. But then number five would be um Scorpion, and then number six would be C O B. And um, I don't even know. Um I I I count her loss as a Drake album featuring 21, so that's fair. It is. I put her loss there. Um Yeah, you can't really count um what a time because what a time is such a different era, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:53

Yeah, and what a time is pretty evenly split between the two of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:56

Evenly between the two of them, yeah, that's fair. Um Yeah, I would say I would say that, and then the last one would be Thank Me Later.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:07

You have that la last lash?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:09

Thank me later is his worst album, my opinion. Okay. Thank me later is his worst album, considering now. Like if you would have asked me about Thake Me Later when Thake Me Later came out, I would have told you just some of the hottest shit walking me. You know what I mean? But now, after hearing uh more of his body, like hearing him grow and make more music and make different sounds, and music just in general growing and my taste growing and me growing, I can't go back to listen to it. I I can go back to listening to fireworks, I can go back to listening to light up. Um and that's about it. I can't sit through any of the other songs.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:43

There is not a song on for all the dogs that is better than fancy, just by the way. I'm putting that I'm just I'm just letting you know. I know that's contentious, but I can't I can't stand I can't stand to listen to this.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:58

Virginia Beach is it better than fancy?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:01

No, brother, no, Mary J Blige, T I? Well, aren't you a breath of fresh air? All right, Virginia Beach. Virginia Beach, oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:14

That's she pretty but ghetto, pretty but rough, just like Virginia Beach.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:23

Oh man. I can't believe uh how much we disagree about things even when we agree about that. It's truly, it's truly special. Um do you have any more thoughts about the album? You wanna do you wanna talk about sexy red being here? Features you like, favorite features?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:47

Sexy red is a psy-op.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:49

Finally we're talking about it, brother. Um I don't wanna, you know, we love black women here at the Krim World Podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

But she's a Psyop, bro. She can't be your real person. Like, this is this isn't real life. Like, but I think, yeah, man, I think that's how I feel about sexy red being there. She's a Psyop.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:15

Every time I hear sexy red on a song, I'm yeah, I I don't wanna, it's so hard not to say anything that I don't want to say publicly. That's not regressive, but she's she's not helping. I'll say that. That's it. That's all I got.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:32

When I saw who her management team was, I was like, damn, the CIA got us a gear. Yeah, bro. The CIA they got us a gear.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:40

See CIA, CIA don't even need to get us because we got us, man. That's I'm hotep now, I guess. I don't know. Uh yeah, no, I don't. It's it almost seems like Drake did a lot of things on this album. Uh you know, the song titled uh Ran to Atlanta being one and having sexy red there uh as another that were very like conscious choices to be like I wasn't affected by the beef and what you said about me. I don't when I see when it's me and sexy red up here, it's not two bad bitches, it's just her and I'm her supportive friend. Like, nah, like you don't you didn't have to do that, is it like all I'm saying? Like, if that's your homie, that's your homie. I guess Rich Baby Daddy was kind of a hit. Um, but I'm I'm not going.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:34

And it's the one where he's like bitten that ass over with his arm.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:39

Everybody knew that motherfucker.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:40

So it was a hit. Like, I'm not, I and again, what I'm saying, Drake can't make hits. Him and sexy red had a hit.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:48

So but they had they had a hit and the end of hit culture, Psyop.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:55

You're saying sexy red was sent by the government to end hip hop. End hip hop's reign. I'd listen. Like, I'd watch the YouTube video. I probably have.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:08

The next pro we need to do is the sexy rain is a is sexy rain or psyop.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:13

See, the thing is, I think niggas already think she's a psyop. So we wouldn't we gotta find a new angle. We gotta break the story, we gotta find the smoking gun, we gotta find uh the white lady that is like under all that makeup. We gotta find, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:30

Gotta find out who her management team is connected to because them white dudes give me give me Ross uh Ross Char vibes, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:36

I think it's probably the white dudes from the uh the Christmas club and uh that fucking uh one battle after another. It's the same white dudes.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:50

It's so funny you said that because that's what I thought. I don't know why, but like it gives those same vibe where like when I saw that movie, I was like, oh, look at sexy red managers having a little okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:05

How did sexy red also not get cash for that movie? I'm not saying I'm not saying uh Tiana Taylor didn't do a great job, but sexy red as perfidia would have made a lot more sense based off how perfidia behaved in the movie would have made a lot more sense. Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:24

That's all hey, I could I could totally see it. I could totally see it. And that would have given her a whole new that would have been more that'd have been more power more power for the Psyout, but that'd have been dangerous because that'd have gave her more cultural cachet in the uh zeitgeist of American culture. Like we don't need more sexy red zeitgeist floating in the zeitgeist.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:46

I guess it's well that's the thing. Drake's kind of the only thing keeping her afloat at this point because she put out an album like a month ago and niggas did not care.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:54

I haven't really heard much about her at all. Yeah, you read about that. I haven't thought about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:58

So is Drake the Psyop?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:01

Yeah, Drake's up. He can be for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:06

We have a lot of research to do before the next pod.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:10

We'll be coming back into some facts and some notebooks, guys. I'll be I'll bring my my uh doctorial glasses.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:16

Yeah, we're going up to Toronto uh to try and find the real sexy red the hunt for sexy red October.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:27

Uh sexy to style pod episode, bro. I want to dive into it.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:33

Write the script. Let's let's dive into it.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:36

Okay, I will do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:39

Do that right after you listen to an album. Uh we haven't have you have you listened to the Zay album yet? Do we talk about the Zay album?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:48

You know, I have we can't next episode, I'll listen to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:51

Uh sure. Whatever. Just let's just talk when you've listened to it. Whenever that happens, we don't have to put a time on it. All right, bro. I love you.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:02

Okay, okay, fair. We go out.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:05

All right, y'all. You know what I'm saying? Thank you for tuning in to the episode of the Krim World. Go listen to the boy, the man, hopefully, at this at this ripe age of 40. But uh go listen to it. You know what I'm saying? Don't let the haters tell you what to think. Judge it for yourself. The shit's alright. You know what I mean? I give it a strong.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:27

I like how you said to judge it for yourself and then told them what you think of it. That's that's that's an interesting strategy.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:35

Hey, man, they you know, they go in there knowing it's a hype, they're gonna know it's alright when they come out. You know what I mean? Let them know it's a height.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:42

Yeah, I think it's been interesting to see the the cultural reaction to it because it is aye, and seeing people just go nuts on either side of it is so funny because you're like saying it's terrible or saying it's amazing is kind of both objectively wrong. Yeah, like it's clearly fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:04

Yeah, it's oh yeah, man. That's the thing that's got me the most with the conversation around is everybody's like, this shit is hot ass, for this shit is hot fire, and it's like, bro, it's neither. And y'all, y'all make it everybody that y'all stand for look stupid.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:25

People putting out uh opinions of it within 24 hours of it dropping, like, man, it's 40 songs. Like, I know you ain't listened to the 40 songs.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:34

It's like it's not the the time is not possible. You can't have a whole three hour uh three album review fucking hour after this uh the shit drops. Like it's not nigga, it's an hour and a half of music, almost two hours of music. So, like, no nigga, like it's not possible. Yeah, but you don't stop niggas, you know, stop niggas. Niggas niggas make a review, but that shit is off the muscle to Drake's ass. They're like, I I know this shit whack.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:59

Oh, for sure. That's why I don't know. It's an and I'd be curious to see what Drake thinks about the reception. Like, obviously, what I it to me, the biggest thing about it was I don't think it changes anyone's mind about anything, which which is is that does that mean it's unsuccessful? You know what I mean? Like, I feel like you put out an album, like you at least want to like nudge people in a direction, but I don't think there's any way that this album changed your opinion, either like more pro or more anti.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:37

I feel like that's because of the polarity of the beef. It just isn't possible to change anybody's mind. The only person that can come out and change people's minds is Kendrick. And the only way he could change people's minds if he if he co-signs Drake and he's like, oh no, the album was pretty good, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:51

But like I'm I'm waiting with bated breath.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:55

Exactly, right? But if he don't say that, then um ain't nobody gonna feel, ain't nobody gonna change their opinion. Because Drake fans ain't gonna never not be Drake fans. You know what I mean? There's nothing that you could do to take away their like want to support him, or you know what I mean, or like champion him. And the same way with his haters, like you can't make his haters not want to hate on him because they were all like Kendra, all Kendrick did was give people that already hated Drake the space within the culture to not be haters, you know what I mean, to like have a reason rather than just being like, oh, you just dry hating on the nigga because he's better. And Kendrick was like, no, I see this this is the list of reasons to hate this nigga. And if you hate this nigga, pick one of these reasons and you'll be good. And so um, you can't, ain't nothing he can do to sway people away from that. You know what I mean? Ain't no, and you ain't nothing he can do to make niggas love you more when they already fucking ganging on your shit. You know what I mean? You can't, you can't, what more can you do? You already, you got it. It's already set in stone. So I I would really hope that that wasn't his intention, was to hope to change anybody's minds, because if anybody around him on his team loved him, they should have been able to tell him, like, that's not gonna happen, bro. Like, that's not gonna, you're not gonna, they are they feel how they feel about you, that's just what that is. They feel how they feel about you based off who the info came from, not even about you.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:17

At the same, but my pushback to that is if that's the case, then why even address the lawsuits? Because he does address the lawsuits multiple times, and that's like the biggest L for you. And for me, it was like whenever you brought him up, I'm like, bro, just like uh like uh like no, no, like you're not gonna change our minds about this. So why would you even bring this up, this embarrassing thing?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:42

He had to say something about it though, like lawsuits?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:46

I would I I think he could, I would have just been like, eh.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:49

Well, no, I feel like not saying nothing about it, that would have been all like if if there was anything that he didn't address, that would have that would have been what all the talk was about. You know what I mean? Like if he hadn't, if he like oh he didn't say nothing about the lawsuits though, what about the lawsuits though? Like that would have been the response to the album, you know. It wouldn't have been like, Let's, what is the music saying? Because you have to say that now because he addressed everything in the music, like everything. Like if there's a question you gotta ask, go listen to the album. You know what I mean? It's he says he referenced everything on the album multiple times, you know what I mean? So there's no like space to be like, oh, well, what did he think about this allegation? Or what did he think about what the people are saying in this place? It's on there. It's not he said everything. And so I feel like he he did good in addressing everything. I feel like he could have addressed it a little bit more head-on and a little bit like I feel like at this point in his career, he has to start with disabilities. Like he has to start with the cookie crumb shit, with us like having to and piece together what he means and shit. Like, nah, nigga, just say what it is. Because as somebody who's a fan of your music, I'm letting other niggas do that. Like, I'm not, I'm not putting together the breadcrumbs to make the pie. I'm letting another nigga show me what it's supposed to be, and then I'm gonna take, if it makes sense in my mind and I look into it deeper and I because I care more to look into, which oftentimes I don't. But if it makes sense to me, then that's what I'm wrote. And so uh, if you don't want people to do that, just say it directly. Because he did so many like subliminals on this album, and where it's like, oh, he could be talking about this, but he could be talking about this person or whatever, whatever. But because he talked about everything, you know what I mean, like where no matter how you put it together, you're gonna see where he addressed somebody on the album, you know what I mean? Even if you got the wrong impression, you're gonna know that he addressed it so in some form of fashion, you know what I mean? Like, and I feel like he had to do that. I feel like that had to be done. Like there was there's just no way to get around that on this on this body of work. It would have been, but if there was anything he didn't talk about on this album, like anything, it would have been an issue, you know what I mean? Like, people would have been like, nah, nigga, we need the whole package. Like, will you hold it out on the steel? And so he had to bear it all.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:03

That's fair. Um, yeah, let's get out of here. All right, appreciate you, dog. Cram for the bag, because she's a great. Yeah, it's cram fucking roulette, and with your bangs, and what you at the same still money. She gave me brain, that's my green. I don't do brakes, I don't do gifts, I don't do chains, but you're frightened. I'm fucking dancing, I don't do pack, and that you stay, I'm making red. I'm done, I'm on the face, you want to relax, I'm on the cake, I don't pick a bitch, I like a switch, look at the wrist, try to have kids, try and crap, she wanna pick a bitch, she wanna kiss the pitch, I'm a bit rich, yeah. I wish you big on the highway, bitches on the driveway, broken like the brown chip, higher white bitches like my cousin white, white chat on the glass track black myself, a spike whiskey in my chai tea. As you need to tell me, I buy her some herb meat, baby. It's your birthday. I want you as a broad light. Come and sit on my face even if it's time. I want your bag, I should look great, yes, cram, for that, and watch your backs, and watch your white, yes, cram, fucking relax. Cram for you can wait, yes, cramp, for that. I want your bag, cushion the crack, yes, cramp for lack, and what your bangs, and my shit we have cram rolling, how power cram rolling up.