Did Rachel Dolezal actually do anything wrong? A re-examination.

Helloooooo. Ok so obviously we are talking about my favorite white queen today, but before that I get lowkey emotional about being a parent. Real spill about my dad and what being a parent means to me and then we talk about what is objectively the greatest news story of our generation. Follow me on social @cremebrulee2d and subscribe wherever you listen. 

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It's that's cool. Uh uh fucking brilliant. Yes, curve fucking black. I'm with your baby. Welcome, welcome one, welcome all to episode whatever of the creme world podcast. I am your excited, exuberant, exalted, extra special host, creme brulee at creme brulee 2D on all platforms. Please, on whatever streaming service or that's the that's it, whatever streaming service you're listening to this on, please give us a subscribe, please like it, leave a comment, leave a rating. If you leave me a five-star rating and you send me a screenshot, I'll reply. I'll I'll send you whatever you want, dog. Look me in the eye. I'll send you whatever you want. Uh leave me a rating, and that'll help the podcast grow. I'm excited to be here today. This is gonna be the Rachel Dolezal episode. Um, long story short, at some point this week I was like talking to someone and Rachel Dolezal came up. I don't remember how she came up, and I had the thought, I was like, did she really do anything wrong? And we will definitively answer that question today. Um I feel like at least when I went back and looked at the story, uh, re-examined the story, I researched it for the past day or so. There's a lot of stuff I don't remember. There's a lot of stuff that's really interesting, there's a lot of stuff that's really funny, and ultimately it's just such an interesting case study on the way race is perceived in America in the year 20. I mean, this was happened in what 2015, 2016. We're in 2026 now. Maybe is it the 10-year anniversary? Maybe that's why I'm doing

Recreating Childhood Memories with My Son

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this. Anyway, before we get to that, uh obviously got a bevy of other things to talk about. Leading off, I'm talking about parenting. We're getting an A. The A segment is gonna be parenting. You know why? Today I took my kid, we went to Goodwill, we went to the movies, and I have some thoughts about the movies, but in terms of parenting, like, I I just took my kid to Goodwill into a movie, so I don't drink anymore, and I'm like a pretty healthy person overall, but there are still some days where I wake up and I'm like, I cannot be a parent today. What is the least amount of parenting I can do and still feel good about myself as a parent? And the answer to those days is go going to the movie theater. Um, and so today I was having one of those days where I'm like, listen, I love you, buddy, but we need to sit inside for several hours, and I need to be able to take a nap with you. And that's what the movie theater affords you as a parent. And it's so funny because I had a moment today where I realized a thing. So my my father died when I was about 12 years old. I don't know if I've talked about it on here before, but my my mom and my dad weren't married um when they had me. They kind of had like a on again, off again, then ultimately off again relationship while like I was while he and I were alive concurrently um for about a 12-year stretch. And so my mom was more financially stable, and so I for a big I think that was probably the biggest reason. I I lived with her mostly and he it wasn't like a pure like pure, it wasn't like a classically split custody situation where I like stayed with her for some days and him with some days. It was a more formal arrangement where you know so like an an odd part of it was like my dad worked for my mom, so like I got to see him pretty much all the time because I I think I've talked about this. My mom ran a treatment runs, runs a treatment center for women and w women with children um who have experienced houselessness, uh uh addiction, uh chronic homelessness. I said houselessness and chronic homelessness. Chronic homelessness, addiction, uh veterans, uh all different types of situations where women have for some reason or the other kind of um you know gotten into a tough situation in life. My mom's organization is there, has been there since 1996, celebrating 30 years this year, um, helping women get back on their feet. They've helped over at this point, it's probably several thousand women in the Atlanta area, metro Atlanta area, uh put their lives back together, get custody of their children, find employment, get clean, et cetera, et cetera. A ton of the women work for her directly, and you know, a ton of the women have gone on to start other organizations in the Atlanta area as well. It's a beautiful thing. The company is called Mary Al Freedom House. If you or anyone you know is a woman uh in the southeast who maybe needs some help, check out Mary Al Freedom House. Um, all that to say, my mom also through that ended up employing most of my family. Um at some point or the other, her sisters. Uh I don't know if her mom worked for her. I think anime did work in the daycare. I think she employed her sisters, her own mom, my dad, uh, me and my sister at one point. Um, so she's kind of like super matriarch of the family. Um again, why I don't know if it was probably much of a conversation about where I would live as a child. Um and but like one thing my dad did that I remember consistently, like the number one memory I have of my dad is him taking me to the movies on Sunday specifically. I remember, uh, I can't remember the name of the place anymore, but it was in Cobb County, Georgia, and it was one of those places I don't even know if they have places. It was Star Time, I think it was Star Time, and it was like arcade, like huge arcade, mini golf, movie theater. I think there was like a whirly ball next to it, if y'all remember, if y'all know what whirly ball is. I never actually played, but it was some sort of like go go-kart polo style game, hockey style game. I don't know, I just saw it. But there was like this huge, you know, family fun time megaplex. And we'd go there. I remember going to the arcade a bunch. Um, do they still have arcades? I don't they've gotta have arcades. I actually in Portland they definitely have arcades, but I don't know about if they have like the family-style arcades I'm thinking of. However, whatever, whatever. He did that, and we went to Goodwill, and my dad, like one thing I remember. My dad is he was like, This was like the 2000s, like dot-com boom era. My dad loved computers and tech and fixing computers, and I just remember he always had like hella computers at his house, and he was figuring stuff out, and he was looking at like the newest game, like always showing me the newest games, the newest tech, and it was awesome. And I remember, you know, I remember the first time because he was obsessed with like he loved video games and tech, and it was like OG Black Nerd, and I because he he was all computers and like generally that kind of like old school stuff, and then one year my mom got me an Xbox, and this was like around the time when Halo came out, and I remember when I showed him Halo, it was like he was like, son, I can't believe what this is. He's like, This is because I don't know if you guys remember the the Doom, I don't I don't even know it was that had to be like Doom 1996 for computers, like that was it was like a flat game where like things kind of like popped up and like that was his shit, and like that's like as far as he made it into his video game progression. So seeing Halo for him was like, what? Uh it would be like me if they had like really good VR and I could just like be in Halo now, like how mind-blowing that would be for me is how mind-blowing it was for him. So, all that to say, we went to Goodwill a lot, uh, so he could just like buy computer junk and try to put it together and all that. And so I don't know, there was this beautiful moment where like I I just wanted to go to Goodwill to look for some stuff. I ended up buying my kid a helicopter, uh toy, because he's just been obsessed with different modes of flying transportation recently. We live in Seattle, so there's a lot of uh those like ocean or like lake plants, what do they call it? He calls them seaplanes, but I think there was like a better, like a more correct name for them. But the planes that like land on the water, he loves those. Every day he's like, Can we fly on a seaplane when I pick them up? And I'm like, probably not, but if like I'll be like, we can go look for one. Like, I don't know. If you live in Seattle and you fly one of those, hit me up. I don't know if a kid can a three-year-old go on one of those. Anyway, he always talks about seaplanes and helicopters. I bought him a helicopter for like four bucks. I have become, I I was gonna say I'm like, I'm like very goodwilled disciplined now, but really the goodwill by me is kind of kind of some trash. I didn't even see anything. I was really, I was really eyeing. Um and then we went to the movie, and by the time I got to the movie, I realized that I had accidentally recreated like the same type of Sunday my dad gave me, and it made me really emotional. I don't know if this comes would surprise y'all, but it made me really emotional, and I don't know. This is just like I don't talk about being a parent on here a lot. I mean, I I mainly talk about music on here at this point. It's mainly music and current events. Um, I don't talk about like parenting a lot, and you know, maybe some other time I'll talk more about like my journey to how specifically I got to being a parent. But I I it's changed my life, man. Um I'm trying not to get emotional about it

How My Child Motivated Personal Growth

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now, but I was just we were just hanging out today at one point, and you know, I really I was just holding him thinking about like he's three years old now, and in those three years, man, I've just there hasn't been a moment where like I felt like I didn't know what my purpose is. There hasn't been a moment where I felt like empty. There hasn't been a moment where my life felt meaningless. There hasn't been a moment where I haven't had like motivation and drive. There hasn't been a moment where I haven't been extremely grateful for everything I have. And I don't want to give him too much credit. Um but and you know, I don't I I'm not gonna give this out as advice, but like I wasn't, I'll just say I wasn't prepared to have a child. Uh you know, you never are, but I was not at any sort of point of stability in my life from like a financial standpoint to even like a relational standpoint to like uh knowing what I wanted to do with my life standpoint, like all that was up in the air before I had him, and I I have to give myself a lot of credit because like you know, probably like two or three months into his life, like I had to go off to rehab because you know, at that point, at the point of like truly being faced with the responsibility of raising a child, the my relationship with alcohol was directly compromising that ability, so a choice had to be made, and you know, I did the work and I give myself credit for doing the work, and I'm proud of myself in a lot of ways, but like I don't I I just don't think I would have done it without him. I don't think I would have done the work, I don't think I would have felt motivated to. I up to that point had been pretty comfortable ruining every good relationship I had in my life and kind of squandering every opportunity I had to better myself. And and if nothing, I just don't know what else would have caused me to start going in a different direction, you know. Uh I I think I'm not trying to say that like it's impossible to fully mature until you have a kid, or like that having a child is the only way I would have ever got my shit together. And it's something you have to do if you want. I'm not trying to push my choices or like being a parent onto anyone as like that's what you should do, or like have to do, or like is necessary for growth. It just happened to be for me. Um and I definitely I don't know. I if I'm trying not to like give insane advice, but like you know, if you can't if you're if your life's meaningless, maybe just have a kid. Maybe just maybe just have a kid. I know it might you might be like, but I don't have money and blah blah blah blah. You'll figure it out, dog. I think you'll figure it out. If you're like, I wanna wait until I have the right relationship, stable, yada yada. Fuck that. Whoever you're fucking now, let them get you pregnant, let him get you pregnant, even if what y'all got going on don't work out in three years, trust me, in three years, you're gonna be like, damn, I'm better in every way because of this. You know, I think at the beginning, there was I definitely because it was unplanned and I'm still so early in my quote unquote career, uh, there was definitely probably like a year of a lot of like, oh boy, you know, did I mortgage my future success in XYZ field in order to be a parent? And that was a really real fear for a while. And there's no denying that, like, you know, I think about it sometimes, so there's no denying that I could be whatever amount of work I'm putting into comedy or this or whatever, I could be putting out double exponentially more times work more work and more uh content or more material or whatever. I could undoubtedly be doing more if I didn't have a child, but I don't know. Like A, I don't think I would be doing more. Like, I I don't think whatever amount I'm dreaming about me working, if I was still just a loose human, I just don't think that's true. A because of alcohol, b because um of my penchant for wasting my time uh wasting women's time. Uh I've pretty much extradited that from the from the budget, and that's done wonders for me, and I'm sure countless women who don't know and who'll never have to experience that, you're welcome. Um what am I talking about? But yeah, I don't know. I'm just grateful for

Why Famous Actors Voice Animated Characters

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being a parent. There is like, you know, I I was I just didn't I didn't think I'd be a sensitive ass uh parent. Like I just so we went and saw a movie today. That's the second half of this. We went and saw a movie today. Boom. They have a before the movie starts, they have a Disney cruise commercial where the premise of the commercial is like this kid and his dad go on Disney cruises every year, and while they're like from the first the first couple years, they take like this nice walk together at like the crack of dawn from the time the kid's like an infant till the time he's like 12, and then uh he becomes a teenager and he like doesn't want to go on the walk with his dad anymore, and then had like you know, a couple years later he goes on the walk with his dad and it's beautiful. And I was a wreck. I was like, oh my god, no, just sitting there alone in the theater with my son watching this. I'm like, man, so it it it becomes like I don't know if I mentioned it, but uh things where a parent or child uh dies now unaccessible for me. We watched The Land Before Time like two weeks ago. I forgot in like the first 20 minutes of that movie the whole the whole ass mom dies and the kid's an orphan, and you're like, oh, oh my god, this is yeah, so that's unaccessible. What do we do with the movies? So we went and saw Super Mario Galaxy. Um two thoughts. One thought is do people are people still going to the movies? Because we live in Seattle, densely populated city. I often complain that there's too many people here, and I know it's a crazy thing to say as someone who's moved here in the past year, but there's I'd be sitting in traffic on the highway at like 2 p.m. on a Saturday. I'm just like, I'm just I was just going to Safeway and I'm in like 30 minutes of traffic. There's too many people here on a Saturday. There's too many people here. I should have taken the server streets. I know that now. Doesn't matter. Uh too many people people here. In the midst of that densely populated city where people have money and children and presumably we like to go out to things. I take my kid, Super Mario Galaxy, uh, noon on a Sunday. We were the only people in the theater. And I don't know if that's an indictment on movie theaters as a whole, or that particular movie theater, or the Super Mario Galaxy movie. Um, but it was just weird to me. I'm just expecting I wasn't expecting like a full theater, but just us alone on the weekend. Uh, maybe people are out of town, who knows? Uh Super Mario Galaxy as a movie. I would love so first of all, it's been said before, Chris Pratt as Mario is just weird. Actually, this is my take uh overall. Why do famous people voice the movies? Why do famous people voice characters in animated movies? I feel like that's a huge waste of the budget. A, my kid doesn't know who Chris Pratt is or who Donald Glover is or who Bree Larson is. Doesn't give a fuck. He just likes the look of the stuff. I can't imagine there's a child in America who's like, oh, Bree Larson's in this. But whatever. Uh I guess those people have to keep getting money. Donald Glover was Yoshi. At no point was I like, oh, that's Donald Glover. It's like why y'all spent a bag on this. Y'all spent a bag on this. Anyways, it's not it, anyways. Uh, so I don't know why they do that. Uh you should like let people who are like better voice actors get more money. I mean, or at least I'm just saying, I don't it doesn't make sense to me. It feels like a market inefficiency, and uh, I'm sure uh uh what's the thing? Uh capital private equity. I'm sure private equity will get it out of here soon enough. Uh in terms of the movie, I I so I my kid liked the movie. I don't really have a comment on the movie. I personally thought there was too much going on, if that makes sense. I there was just a lot of factions and a lot of planets, and I thought I I grew up playing Mario. I was like, I don't know who a lot of these people are, but I also have to say I fell asleep at two different points during the movie, so a lot of things that were confusing to me were almost certainly explained in the two time periods in which I fell asleep. Now, me falling asleep, that's not my fault. One thing about me, I go to a movie theater, I'm falling asleep. It could be noon on a Sunday, it could be don't let it be. 10 p.m. on a Friday, I'll sleep through the whole thing. But something about the way my body's set up, you put me in a dark room for two hours. I'm out. I'm just out at some point. I bought an iced coffee on the way to the movie. Drank like half of an ice coffee before it. Still knocked out. So to me, movie theaters, AMC, Regal, whatever other movie theater chains, you guys need coffee in-house. I get it, it's the movie theater. I'm gonna pay like $25 for a cup of coffee, but I paid $25 for this movie. I need to see this movie. Okay. Sell coffee at the movie theaters. Um,

My Son's Accident and My Childhood Secret

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yeah, that's my review of uh having a child and the Super Mario Galaxy movie. Uh let me have a let me have a little Red Bull. Oh man, this whole first half is gonna be about parenting, actually, because I forgot. So my kid did something crazy. Uh uh he stuck a bead in his nose, and it got so stuck that they had to call his mom and she had to come and pull it out, and whatever. Crazy thing is, one time and uh how old was I? I must have been about 12 years old. I was playing with a pin, like a clicky clicky pin, right? And I twisted the just the it's hard to explain this part. I'm trying to do this as a joke, and I'm gonna change it to a Lego because having to explain the intricacy of this thing I stuck in my ear is it takes people out. But I'll be honest here with you. Like the clicky part of a pen, the clicky part you could screw off, and it was just like this teeny tiny, like almost bullet-shaped plastic thing. For whatever reason, I'm 10, 12 years old, putting it in my ear because it's really tiny, and using it to scratch my ear, getting a great scratch, scratch, ear scratch going, inner ear scratching, unmatched, as a thing to do. You know what else is a thing to do? Uh unmatched is a thing to do. If you have like a rash or like skin irritation, putting some hot water on that low-key feels as good as as good as coming. Like, I had if you ever had like a rash on your like back and you just go in the shower and hot water that thing, it is ecstasy. It is almost worth like rubbing some poison ivy on your shit just to get in the shower and hitting it with that hot water and that steam. Oh my god, imagine actually like could you do a situation? Is it like I'm thinking ultimate pleasure here, where you're like in the shower having sex while the water you're you're hitting it while the water is hitting like a rash on you, and also you're like hitting some crack? I don't know what the third thing is. It doesn't have to be crack. Maybe it could be weed. I don't know if we like it needs to be something a little stronger than weed. Um let's just say, let's just say for this it's gonna be crack because I don't want to get involved with any opiates, at least not in the shower. Would that be the ultimate? I want to get rich enough. Um I'm launching the Patreon this week, guys, because I'm trying to set up a situation where I have an infinity shower and I have a rash. Is an infinity shower even a thing? I have one of those. Have you ever uh my air or my sister might have had this at her shower? But you ever have one of those showers that has like the top, it has like three showers and one shower where it's got like the the waterfall above you, and then it's got like the classic diagonal boy, and then it's got like the sp just the the handheld wand guy. So I'm in one of those. I'm this is what I'm raising money for. I'm in one of those. Maybe because you could you could be hit getting hit from the top onto your rash be be fucking and then use the spray guy, that that that that's on your asshole. And then and then with your other hand, you're hitting a crack pipe. I'm I am hitting the crackpipe. So please go to patreon.com slash crim world uh and donate to the to the to the ecstasy tier. Maybe I'll also do ecstasy one once let's do four at a time and then we'll throw in um party drugs. What am I talking about? What am I talking? Oh yeah, scratching. Okay, so I'm scratching my ear. And it feels good. And then oh, that could could scratch do we have to go back and include scratching your ear into the ecstasy? What do they call that? The the the shower of the shower of uh I don't want to use ecstasy again. I want to say the shower of transcendence. That's what we'll call that. We're in we're throwing ear. So we're gonna start a running list of like all the most pleasurable things you could be doing, and we're gonna see how many things you could do simultaneously to like maximize we're we're pleasure maxing, okay? Get into the Discord, get on the Patreon, anyway. I stick a thing in my ear, I it goes, I push it too far, and then I drop it. Not drop it, I just like let go, and it's just like in there, and it's in so deep that I like can't pull it out, and I'm like feeling in my ear right now. I can remember before you get to like your eardrum, that's like a little divot or like a little tiny pin type pin cap type deal could get fit in real snug. That's it's fit in right there. I was like, shit, but classic kid, too embarrassed to tell anybody. So what I did was tell no one for months until I went to the doctor's appointment the next time. It truly had to have I don't know, I was a kid, so it probably was only like a month or two, but in my head it was like a year. I go to the doctor the next time, he's doing all the normal doctor shit. Um, I really want to do another tangent here. I'm sorry. You know that thing where they hit your knee with the thing and then your knee kicks? How do they figure that out? You know? Is alive? This this tangent might not have been worth it, because this isn't a fully fledged out question. Uh, I've just always been so interested in that thing, that the the knee hammer. I haven't been to the doctor in years, so I haven't been knee hammered, and maybe I'm worried that is there an at-home knee hammer kit? Okay, so I'm at the doctor, they're doing all the stuff, the knee hammer. He gets to the part where he looks into my ear. He looks into my ear, he's like, paraphrasing, what the fuck? And I'm like, what's going on? And he's like, There's something in here. And I was like, at that moment, I swear, what you gotta remember, what you gotta realize? It had been months, I was a child, it didn't affect my hearing at all. I just kind of forgot. I just like dead ass forgot it was in there until he's like, What the fuck? And I was like, Oh, but now gotta go into lying mode. So I'm like, I don't, I don't, I don't know. And he's like, No, it's like pretty big, like, what the fuck is this? He's again paraphrasing, and I'm like, I have no idea what you're talking about. He calls in my mom, he he calls in in my head, hey, he called in everyone else at the practice because I feel like there was like 30 motherfuckers in there, but he calls in my mom and then like one more, like the nurse at the front desk, and like someone else, and he's like, Yo, y'all need to come look at this. And then he like grabs some like tweezers and like slowly starts pulling it out of my ear, and it's like this black plastic, like piece of plastic, and he's just like holds up in front of me. He's like, What is this? and in front of like everybody, I just had to be like, Ah, I have no idea. And um, yeah, I I stuck with that story. That was man, it's me realizing now. I mean, I haven't thought about it that much since then. Realizing now, none of those people believe me. That's probably why my mom didn't trust me a lot growing up. Um, yeah, that's just a story. That's just something I did. It was nice to see my kid. Uh, because sometimes your kid does something and you're like, okay, who is he getting that from? He stuck that thing in his nose. I was like, I've seen this play before. Okay. Um, all right, wait,

Did Rachel Dolezal Do Anything Wrong?

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wait, you guys ready for I think I'm gonna skip the middle thing and we're just gonna get straight into Rachel Dolezal after a brief Red Bull? Alright. Today, Crumwell Podcast audience, we will be answering the question the age all question Did Rachel Dolezall do anything wrong? Um, and before before we um before we decide whether or not she did anything wrong, I I do have to acknowledge that Rachel Dolezal changed her name let me see, changed her name to Niketchi Amare Diallo, and that is her legal name now. I I feel like you know, as a person who goes by not their given born name, I should have empathy and be like, no, people should be allowed to be called what they want to be called. Ultimately, this is a Rachel, and you will never not be a Rachel. Okay. So, um, like I said at the top, what got me interested in this was being like just having a thought, did Rachel like only thinking about what I remember from the story? And all I remember from the Rachel Dolzall story was black lady or white lady working for the NAACP, pretending to be black, gets exposed, has to apologize, doesn't apologize, kinda doubles down. That's that's it. That's all I remember, and obviously lots of memes, cultural references, yada yada yada. But uh with just that being the information I had, it posed the question like, hey, if she was just undercover, or not, I mean undercover, I guess is the right way, a way of a right way of saying it, an accurate way of saying it. Anyway, if all she did was do work for on the behalf of black people to advance the agenda of colored people, did she really do anything wrong besides, you know, lying? And lying can be bad, but if your lying ultimately serves to help black people, then it becomes an area where I'm like, well, maybe it's worth examining. Uh uh Upon doing further research, um, I think it is clear that she did some things, she did some things wrong, friends. She did some things that we might find um regressive, reprehensible, embarrassing. I'll let you be the I'll let you be the um arbiter of how we feel

Her Religious Upbringing and HBCU Discrimination Claim

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about that. So let's get started. I'm gonna do a little history of of our friend Rachel Dolezal. She was born Rachel Ann Dolezal in Montana in 1977. Her family was deeply religious, and her and her her siblings were homeschooled. An interesting part of the story that I don't remember is her parents adopted several black children. So she had adopted black siblings. Rachel became heavily involved in raising those adopted siblings and reportedly acted almost like a second mother figure to them. Multiple family members later described the household as emotionally chaotic and authoritarian. Um, so it is it throws uh a complicated or complex wrench into the like because all of this is about, right? Like ultimately, the question of like good or bad, or like it is what she did bad. I'm like I'm confident, like I said, when we'll get to it, yeah. But I think it's more interesting to ponder why she did it, because you know, after even after doing all the research, and once we get through all this, it becomes no more clear how a person would decide to make the decision she made. Um, obviously have some speculation, and I think there's like breadcrumbs of evidence, but it's perplexing, and I think that's why it's such an interesting thing to reevaluate. Um, so let's move on. Early early 2000s, another part that I don't remember in the uh initial story was Rachel attended Howard University, a historically black college and university for graduate school, years before she publicly identified as black. Why this is interesting. I mean, besides the fact that she went to an HBCU as a white person, that is that is f funny, you know, but like my sister went to Tuskegee and HBCU in is it in Tuskegee, Alabama? I think that also might be the name of the city. There's white people that go to HBCUs. I I don't I don't know enough to be able to comment on them, frankly. I think you that could go a lot of ways, and one of the ways is Rachel Dolezal. Um interesting, what's crazy about her time at Howard is in 2002 she filed a discrimination lawsuit claiming Howard favored black students. She filed a lawsuit claiming the historically black college favored black students and that she was denied opportunities because she was white. Which as she ultimately lost the case and was ordered to like pay back uh like basically like reckless court fees. Uh that's a paraphrasing of what they were called or what the type of anyways, she lost the case. Um it's just crazy. A the fact that later, like as you know, later she and now even she identifies as black, and in interviews it says she's always identified as black, where and here in 2002, it's pretty obvious or plain, like within legal, there's paperwork. There's a paper trail uh proving that at one point she definitely identified as white. Um, and I think the highest level of white is suing HBCU for discrimination. So not only a white, a really confounding, a really confounding white. Um interesting. Her artwork and academic focus at Howard centered around African American, African and African American thing, themes. Former classmates later said she appeared intensely invested in black identity and black culture long before the public scandal. Kind of just just a footnote. I remember this in the story. This is where it came off the did she do anything bad? Uh where the wheels come off the she didn't do anything bad cart, because while this isn't like she lost the case ultimately, suing a black institution, like being a claiming to be to be an NAACP leader and also suing Howard University for uh not f for for favoring black people, uh, quite the whiplash uh in terms of uh you know what she does. Just two different types of niggas.

Rachel's Racial Transformation and NAACP Role

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Uh her story's not consistent. Over the next several years, her hairstyle changed dramatically. She darkened her skin tone. She beg began presenting ambiguous or contradictory stories about her ancestries. She reportedly told some people her father was black. Her brother later claimed she once told him to not blow my cover. Hmm. Uh, people, you know, this part the part that's I didn't say she was in Spokane, Washington, Cordolaine, Idaho, that area. If you don't know, Spokane, the Pacific Northwest, as hey, what up? It's Krim from the Pacific Northwest. The Pacific Northwest is, as I say, the white motherland. Um, Spokane, Cordane, like I'm in the the the diverse part of Washington in Seattle, Tacoma. That's as not, I mean, if you want to include Asian people, it's very diverse, but as non-black as this part of Washington is, Eastern Washington, and specifically Idaho, Western Idaho, Northern Idaho, incredibly racist, very, very few uh black people. So at this point, it's basically like this is her uh cocoon period from the mid-2000s, where she basically starts becoming black. Uh she became deeply embedded in actual civil rights work, uh the Human Rights Education Institute in Idaho. She became the Africana Studies instructor at Eastern Washington University, she had a police oversight role in Spokane, and she became the Spokane chapter president of the NAACP. By all accounts, she was energetic, competent, active, and anti-racist organism, and well liked locally. The crazy thing. I was talking to someone about this beforehand. It is so funny to imagine, because at this point, she's not only uh has transitioned from a white person to a racial, ethnically ambiguous, intentionally ethnically ambiguous looking person. Um it's so fun to think about because as white, as I said, the like Spokane, Idaho area is, you know, the NAACP chat, like that's all black people for sure. Like, besides her, that's all black people. So for her to not only be a member but be chapter president and like an Africana studies major, that means there were so many points where she was in community with black people, right? Like there was like a like a Juneteenth celebration, or like even like the election of Obama and stuff like that, like huge cultural moments that she was in community with black people. And I would have just loved in retrospect to see some of the videos of all them, just black people just all being like, you know, end of a long day, a white person just like you get off the phone, you have an interaction with a white person, and they leave, and now all of a sudden it's all the black people, like end of the day, and they're just shooting the shit and just being like, damn these crackers, you know what I mean? You're just having those a thing. So black white people do think black people are obsessed with white people, and we're not. Uh, we generally have a lot of cool shit going on, but make no mistake, if like a white person leaves a space and uh and they're embarrassing, or you know, one black per like someone in the group has a specifically uh particularly bad or weird interaction with a white person, like we're we're on your heads behind closed doors. Make no mistake, we're we're on your heads behind closed doors. So just imagining her just being in a session like that, just being like, Yeah, bro, don't you hate when white people blow everyone's like sharing a story of like being discriminated against, and she's like, Nobody here knows I sued Howard University. So that I mean, it's I I just I don't know. I I also like to think about the the other black people who were with her in the NAACP, uh just how much her entire saga has like warped their ability to trust mixed people. Or like ethnically. Ambiguous or just black people at large. Because, like, after you, like, let's say I work for the Spokane NAACP chapter. I after just the the Rachel the scandal breaks nationally, everyone finds out she's white. I I voted for her for president. You know what I mean? Like, I helped her campaign. You know how psychologically damaging that would be? You know how like hard it would be to trust an ethnically ambiguous person who was like uh looking person or white passing person who was like, no, I'm black. You'd be like, I'm sorry, I can't get fooled again. Like, I'm sorry, you have to show me photos of both your parents. Like that NAACP chapter in Spokane now is blackety black, black, blackety black. They're only you can only uh get you can only work there if you like fail the the paper bag test. Uh is that what it's called? The brown bag, the bad the bag test. You know a test I'm talking about.

How Rachel Dolezal's Identity Was Exposed

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Okay. So the reveal, June 2015, the scandal detonates because of a local reporting in Spokane, a reporter investigating hate crime allegations and inconsistencies in her background, contacted her parents, and her parents stated that she was biologically white. Now, I was like, okay, so why did they uh why did they start investigating her in the first place? Well, so what happened was she basically let me let me find the exact wording. The the the reporter who ultimately exposed Rachel Dolezal, the reporters who ultimately exposed Rachel Dolezal were not initially investigating her racial identity at all. They're in investigating her increasingly suspicious hate crime claims. Um, the main trigger seems to be a 2015 alleged hate mail incident, plus the broader pattern of her claiming eight or nine hate crimes only over roughly a decade. So, pretty much once a year, she was saying she got hate crimed. Uh, there was an incident where there was a noose. She claimed there was a noose on her porch, and a neighbor was like, That is literally just rope. There was uh people, uh, she claimed that people drew a swastika on her door at her job, but mysteriously, there was uh the video camera stopped working when it happened and there were no suspects. There were she she claims that people were like mailing her racist threats and hostile messages and hateful imagery, and that they were threatening her son and all this other stuff. So basically, she what what's so crazy is she is already an African studies teacher, president of the NAACP. You can't, especially in Spokane, you cannot have an any more stamped of a black card. Like you've done it. If your goal was to appear as a black person, you're the president of an NAACP chapter. You won. Lay low at this point, but she had to year after year claim that she was uh the victim of hate crimes, which is just it's I don't know if it's like a a need for attention thing, or if it feels like it is like for me, it's like it it it reveals what white people think the black experiences to to me, you know. Like you have some white people who think racism and hate crimes don't happen at all, all made up, don't exist. And then there's another segment, the Rachel Dolez all segment, who are like, well, black people must be getting hate crimes yearly. Like, that's at least that's I gotta keep up with the Joneses. I haven't been hate crimed in two years. People aren't gonna believe I'm black. Um, and there is something to be said. I looked into it. Court d'Alane, Idaho does have kind of a history of having like a lot of hate crimes. So perhaps there was an element of like, hey, everyone else is getting hate crimed. If I'm not getting hate crime, people are gonna be suspicious. But yet again, it is so it is so unclear what she was trying to prove with all the hate crime allegations. You know what I mean? As I said, if your goal is to just appear black and to pass as a black person, you did it. You're the president of the NAACP, you teach everyone in your community. No, like people respect you. Um I I it was it was it was odd. Uh there's the uh the infamous local TV interview that's still one of the most wildlife TV evasions ever, where a reporter asked, Are you African American? And Rachel said, I don't understand the question. Like deep or fake deep, you know what I mean? She could be spitting here or not. Um after being exposed, she still insisted she identified as black, argued race was a social construct, and compared racial identity, fluidity to gender identity, which man, you want to talk about you want to talk about being like, yo, I'm already like I'm already contributing to a terrible discourse or creating space for a really negative potentially discourse about race. What if I also got this to be about gender? Like, how could I also stoke the fire? It's kind of beautiful. She kind of is like a intersectional, yeah, intersectional butterfly in that way.

Rachel's Post-Scandal Life and Lack of Apology

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Um, this is when she changed her name to Niketchi Amari Diallo. Um, yeah, she doubled down. She got caught with welfare fraud uh in 2018. Basically, she was claiming that she wasn't making any money, and the government was like, no, you're making some money. I don't really care about that. I don't I don't feel like the fraud in the government's bad. And the the final chapter, the the where are they now? Uh that really it's just an interesting bow on this. In 204 in 2024, uh reports surfaced that Rachel lost a teaching job after administrators discovered her OnlyFans account. Um now, let's let's let me say this right here, right now. I've talked about it before on the OnlyFans education of Instagram episode. I've talked about it. I exist on the internet is a problem for someone of my brain chemistry who is both um uh let's see, let's see, uh horny and also endlessly curious. I exist mentally at the nexus of horny and endlessly curious about the world and the happenings of the world. So around 2024, when the story initially dropped, yeah, I saw I saw that Rachel Dolez all had an OnlyFans, and yeah, I went I went and saw it. Yeah. Did I let's let's not get that's as much as I'll say about that. Um is it as much as I'll say about that? It was interesting. I'll say that. It it's not my cup of tea. This is this is how we'll do this. It's not my cup of tea, but it's certainly somebody's cup of tea. I thought uh just the wildest part of it was just the way she looks, knowing she's a white person, she has uh just uh just the deepest tan and some sewing dreadlocks, and uh she's appeared to have had some enhancements done surgically. I'll say that. So, in terms of a thing to look at, it was one of the things I looked at in 2024 and was like, you know what, I'm happy I saw it for better, for better or for worse, my cup of tea or nah. I'm I'm fascinated that this exists and that I have the opportunity to see it, and I did, and I did. Um, the craziest part to me uh upon reading that, rereading that now was being like, uh wait, why why was she teaching again? Like the fact that and let's say, let's you have three guesses to guess which state would have allowed Rachel Dole Azal after everything that happened to teach their children. You have three guesses, okay? What's guess one? No, no, you got it. It was Arizona on the third guess. Yeah, she's teaching in Arizona, which also, if I was gonna guess any state that would like allow their teachers to make in porn, I feel like this is just a road session of Arizona. I've never even been to Arizona. Have me out, bro. I'll be in Flagstaff or whatever. Um Okay. Let's make sure, let's make sure we haven't uh haven't skipped anything. Yeah, no, we we have all the all the major points uh of Rachel Dolezal. Kind of a you know, it seems uh I'm not gonna comment on uh you know every sex worker's financial conditions, um, but through the lawsuit that happened, because she also had a book deal that was a Netflix documentary. It seemed like she was making some level of money at some point, but in the court case where she got popped for fraud, she was like, I'm not, it's really no one's hiring me because of the whole media thing. And I'm liable to believe that. And it seems like I didn't watch the Netflix documentary, watch the other documentary. Um, I didn't watch the Netflix documentary, but from what I could tell in my research, they kind of covered her financial instability uh in that as well. So is it a sad story? I think it's ultimately it's uh it's hard to feel pure like sympathetic for her, right? Because even it might be easier to feel sympathetic for her if once she was caught, she was like, you know what, I'm sorry. I just always really loved black people. I've always just been jealous of black people and yada yada yada, and gave like a really at least lucid sounding, like uh truly remorseful sounding uh apology of sorts. But there was really never an apology or even an acknowledgement that what she did was like weird or that she lied or any of that. So really hard to feel sympathetic for her. I feel like in a case where she did that, and especially if she like gave some detail on like what made her do what she did, it would be easier to be sympathetic to her. Um, but I mean I I I haven't done that many like deep dives into like crazy people. I'm sorry, to into intriguing figures. Uh I'm very PC as you can tell. I haven't done that many deep dives into intriguing figures. Um, but something you'll learn about me, I'm just like, especially in the case of someone who's already been like publicly shamed to the millionth degree. And, you know, for people who are dead or have faced legal consequences for their actions, I'm generally trying to be like a really empathetic person because like I don't know how much is gained by dogpiling onto people like that. Um, so I don't really like obviously all all this stuff is very funny and uh this feels like a Jordan Peele movie or like an episode of Atlanta type of way, but it it it genuinely seems something is not right, is not right mentally there, right? No, like I'm not I'm not saying she is race-based autism, but am I saying she is race-based autism? Is race-based autism a thing? Is who is that more offensive to? Is it offensive to anyone? I don't know. Does is it a race? Is I think it's more offen I don't anyways, is it a form of race-based autism? I'm saying it a fourth time, or is it like because the the interesting part of it that I didn't know before was like she grew up with black siblings, and like growing up with black siblings while also growing up in a place, it says she was born in Montana, and she ultimately lived in Spokane. So I imagine most of her life, besides her years at Howard, were spent, you know, maybe around black people, but in predominantly white areas. So it's it's so fascinating to think about like what factor in that type of upbringing would have caused her to like latch on at this idea that being black is who she is, and like clearly she thinks it is I don't know if better is the right word. Like it's hard. Like, does she think being black is like better? Is there like some level of like racial jealousy? Because I was talking to someone about this beforehand, and she pontificated that it was like a like a that some a lot of white people are jealous of black people in the sense for a lot of reasons, but in the sense that like black people have an inherent sense of community and a way and a sense of culture in a way that white people in America generally aren't as connected to. Like, you know, I was like, yeah, there I just went to the corner store and there was a uh black cashier at the corner store, and I still have my Georgia ID. Um, so we started talking about Atlanta, and I was like, like he was talking about how awesome Atlanta is, like he's heard about Atlanta and just like how much he loved to live around a bunch of other black people, which again shows you the type of area uh Washington is, but like we got into a real like a real deal conversation, and I was like, you gotta check it out, man, blah blah blah. Um, so there like is an inherent level of camaraderie, like I'm rooting for everybody black. That's a common sentiment you hear amongst black people, and it's true, and it can obviously get perverted in a sense, uh at Diddy or whoever you want to say.

Final Thoughts on Rachel Dolezal and Upcoming Shows

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But like there's there is like always looking out for each other that white people don't have. So is it like she was jealous in that way and wanted to experience the black experience for those reasons? Or is it more like you know, she truly just thought she was black? She didn't have like a value assessment of like blackness versus whiteness. It was just like I just see myself more connected to, especially if she had black siblings. Um maybe she felt more connected to them, and feeling more connected to them was a jumping off point of being like, maybe I am them. There's clearly a consistent fascination, and you know, it's hard to even say respect because I wanted to say a respect for the black culture, but you sue Howard University for discrimination, and it's like that's the one that throws into question the idea that she thinks like maybe that maybe it affirms the idea that she thinks being black is better because she's like in a kind of aggressive way, being like black people, you know, the the refrain you hear about affirmative action, that like black people actually have more opportunities because of scholarships for you know what I mean, affirmative action type of deal. Um but still it really throws a an inconsistency in what otherwise just seems like a an arc of her being like, okay, I am slowly, I'm starting off around like quote unquote white, around some black people, and over time I'm arcing up to I am Niketchi, um, yeah, some whatever name she claims now. Um yeah, it's just it's confounding. Um I think it's like a perfect I wish I might have to check out the Netflix documentary because it's like because of the way I mean it naturally exists like this, but also the way she looped it into being a conversation about gender fluidity, and because it's like this simultaneous gender fluidity, racial I don't even want to say racial fluidity, but like racial I don't know what to say. It's like a simultaneously about gender fluidity and just the concept of race as a construct, and those are like you know, that is the nexus of just social justice and quote unquote progressive politics or just like theory now in America. And I don't know if there's ever been one story that I mean it doesn't purely encapsulate the gender slash you know sexual in terms of sexuality, uh it doesn't purely address those things, but it is simultaneously about both things, if that makes sense. I don't know. I found it to be a fascinating thing to re-examine. Also, I didn't have a podcast when it broke at first. Um I'm not gonna just never do a Rachel Dolezal episode. Um there was a weird moment in the middle there where I guess that was more at the beginning, before the Rachel Dolezal stuff, I'm having like a weird I'm having a vulnerability thing about the like the the the shower of transcendence. Uh if you remember the shower of transcendence. Just I apologize for that if that if that made this episode a little weird for you. Um it made it a little weird for me too. I'll be honest with you. Made it a little weird for me too. I meant to plug this at the top. Oh, I did a bad job. Um episode that's not over. I'm just plugging a thing. Uh next Sunday, or this upcoming Sunday, May 31st. 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We have to say, I'm gonna get a couple of things.