RUBBERZ & Spend Dat: a summer of scamming - with Xaii Kuu

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SPEAKER_01 0:02

It's me.

unknown 0:03

Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_01 0:06

It's me. That's cool. Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_02 0:10

Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Yeah, you can like or you can hate. Yeah, it's current.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

It brings it back to being your beer where you're like nationalities first. Like if I wanted to, like I like you gained your way.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

It's also the thing of just like how you think I'm I tried to do a joke about it. I might do it again, but it's like you think I'm like a someone's gonna rob you on the place where everyone's exercising? You think that's where robbings are happening? I don't know. People don't uh have a uh true understanding of how crime works. Speaking of that's not semi-related. I see so I live by a college and I don't know if it's just like a teens thing or it's just like an everybody thing, but it really do piss me off how many people just walk around uh just like headphones on, looking at their phone, just like in the street. Right? And it was like I more than anything, those people deserve to be robbed. Like I really like you should you shouldn't be that comfortable outside that you can just be like, I'm not even here. You know what? I'm just gonna clock out from noticing anything around me.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

You know what's so funny? That's one of the first things that I like, I like undid when I got back to Dallas was like walking around at night, like whether it be like coming home from work or late, late at night at from downtown at school. I would like, I knew I keep my headphones on, listening to music and like singing. I'm I started to like take one out, like keep one out. Not even to be like, oh, I need to be more aware of my surroundings. Well, that is the reason, but like the lot my logic to doing it wasn't that it was more so like I look green as fuck with both headphones on, just walking around. Like somebody sees me and they're like, this nigga green as hell. Like, nope, I'm from here. You know what I mean? Like, I know maybe it's yeah, maybe it's the from Atlanta in me, but I'm like, Y'all. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. I think too, like, um, I think that like a lot of people like when you come from an environment where it I don't know if it's like if we're feeding into like the negative stereotypes of the environment with it, but like when you come from a certain environment, you do need to keep your head on the swivel. And like doing any anything that impairs that makes you feel unsafe, whether whether it's comfort, be it music or whatever, like any for me, if I'm out, if it's the street lights are out and I'm distracted, I am not comfortable. Like I register immediately, like I'm distracted from my immediate surroundings. I need to put a stop to whatever that is distracting me. You know what I mean? Your food. Yeah, exactly. Like I'm you know what I mean. Like if the right if the wrong person sees me at the right time, I'm done. And there's nothing like I can't even be, you know what I mean? I can't be mad, like, oh, I just got got, but like I can't even be mad at them seeing the opportunity. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 2:40

I won't, even if I'm in the city I live in, I won't even look at directions on my phone walking around. Because it's it's just your food.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

That's just nah facts, facts, facts. It's like um, I don't know, something I've noticed too, like, because like going to uh community college now, I see a I mean I see a lot of people, the the difference in generation is so fucking palpable when I'm at school. You know what I mean? Like I see kids like, like I I don't even want to call them kids, they're in their early 20s, but kids, but like I see younger people in in school and the way that they like just aren't aware of their surroundings, just like mind-boggling to me. You know what I mean? Kind of to what you were saying about with them both with having their headphones on and being into the music and stuff, or in their phones, whatever the case may be. But in their particular instance, out here, it's not even so much that they're in their phones, it's they're like oblivious to the surroundings, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Like exactly, that's what I want to say. Like, it's not really about the phones of it all. Like, people are on their phones a lot. I'm on my phone a lot. I have no stones to cast in that regard. It's the pure like, not to make it grim, but I don't know if you heard there was an event at Seattle called Bite of Seattle, which is like the citywide uh food festival or whatever, and seven people got shot this past weekend, and three people died, uh, because two two dudes were just busting at each other in the middle of this like at under the space needle, like literally like that level of like downtown in Seattle, and like they hit a two-year-old and shit. Like, it was really terrible. But but like that's what I'm saying. It's like if you are like we just live, you the world, if you are on your headphones, you trust the world so much more than you should, is what I'm saying. Like the world is not safe. Maybe this is again the parent in me, just but like, bro, and I guess all this is to say, uh, this past week, uh, I got like the most gratifying thing happened, not the most, almost the most gratifying thing happened, where someone was doing that in front of me, and I saw them almost get hit by a car. And it scared them, and they took their headphones off, and I was like, It's so funny.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

I saw someone learn, you're like, You learned. It's uh it's interesting too, because like sometimes like I'll be like when I'm leaving my neighborhood, like I got a car now, I don't really walk anymore, but like when I'm leaving my neighborhood, when I was going to catch the bus, there's like this um on the sidewalk out of my neighborhood, there's these really low-hanging trees. And like, you know, I'm setting up my playlist for the journey of the day or whatever, you know what I mean. So I'm like in my phone walking or like whatever it may be your Facebook or maps or whatever it may be the case may be. And then I always like I had they haven't hit me yet, but like I'll walk, I'll almost walk into the tree and my reflex to kick in, I'll be like, ugh, like I like just dodge the tree or whatever. And so it's just interesting to think like I don't, I don't, I don't think that people have, I don't know if it's an environmental thing or what it is, but like like I've been, I I do that, you know what I mean? Like whether it be like something in the corner of my eye or whatever, I'm like, oh, reflex, you know what I mean? Like my my my reflexes are just on are hiding for what are heightened for whatever reason. But yeah, I think um I've seen a lot of people, bro, since I started going to school, walk into shit. Like walk in the walls, walk in the poles and shit. And it's just like gratitude, you say not though it's gratifying, but it is. It's so satisfying. Oh, for sure. It's so satisfying. Like, ah, that's what I I want to be like, damn, I should have told you something, but no, I shouldn't have. You should have been fucking paying attention, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 5:58

And so but um and I think like uh to the most he I'm sorry, were you about to say this? No, no, no. Go ahead. I went ahead and go. The most um the least mature reason I have to feel this way is it just happened to me and it reminded me, like I don't need to be on my phone outside. How do you feel a beautiful woman walks by and you're just heading your phone and then you look up and you're like, damn, you know what I mean? She just saw me. I was just looking at TikToks, and I just I I don't know. Maybe this is the the the personal you're I'm letting you inside to the things I think about.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

No, definitely. I um there have been many times where it's like, I don't want to call like missed opportunities, but like even just beyond like pretty women, like friends, like potentially like people that are like, I'm like, I could have there was a conversation there, you know what I mean? That could have been had, like, I could have sparked up, but it's like I was too locked into whatever I was doing. That did that didn't matter the moment I stopped doing it, you know what I mean? And so it's kind of like, oh shit, like like you said, like you that just that just that cross just happened and I missed it, you know what I mean? And so um, I don't I wouldn't say it's immature though. I think it's like we are living in a time now where it's like, I find myself feeling this way at work a lot, or it's like somebody will come in and I'll be like starring for conversation in a way, you know what I mean? Like and I'll be wanting to say something, but I'm at work, you know what I mean? So like I don't go out of my way to like start and start a conversation, but there've been a couple of times where I have started up a conversation and I've been like, I'm glad that I did that, you know what I mean? Like I'm I'm glad that whatever connection within me was made to like like understand to shoot that shot, to be like, hey, how you doing today or whatever. Like, I'm really, I'm really big at giving out compliments because I like what I've also noticed too in that same vein is that like when you give somebody a random unprompted or unprompted compliment, it like makes their day. And I don't know what that speaks to as far as our like our lack of like sociability with each other, but like, bro, there have been so many people who have come to my job, get some food or whatever, and I've been like, hey man, that's a nice shirt or that's a nice hat. And I could see it in their face, like that just lit them the fuck up. You know what I mean? And then the conversation.

SPEAKER_01 8:00

People don't do that. That's not a thing. And a lot of people, I mean, not to make this gendered, but men especially rarely ever hear anything nice about themselves from other people.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Yeah, man, yeah. And what's so what's so interesting too is that, you know, like at my job, homophobia is just rampant, first off. You know what I mean? So it's like at my job, there's like plenty, plenty of beautiful women coming to my job getting, because it's fucking Kava, you know what I mean? Like that's the that's the thing, you know what I mean? Like what? Uh I work at Kava, the restaurant. It's like Kava. Cobbler? Kava. Kava. Yeah, it's like a trendy little Mediterranean restaurant right now. It's like kind of kind of hot. But um, dudes will come in and like I find myself complimenting dudes more. You know, and it's not in it's not intentional or constant decision or whatever. I just noticed that like the reaction from them and then the reaction from my coworkers is always like like some like some some fishy shit. I'm like, nah, bro, this is a nice shirt, bro. Or you just look nice today, guy. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's not it's it's nothing beyond that. But um, one of my coworkers asked me, he's like, bro, you never ever compliment any of the women come in. I'm like, first off, I got a girl. Second off, I'm at work. So like I don't, I I know that it looks a certain way. It looks a certain way, you know what I mean? And so it's like I don't want to don't want to cross those boundaries or whatever at all. But I like to what you're saying about me and not receiving compliments, like I noticed that these dudes, they probably don't hear that. And I I, as a man who puts an effort in his appearance, like everywhere I go, like I know when I So salute, you know what I mean? Like hats off to you or whatever. And so it's like, I just know it feels good. It just I don't and I also don't understand why it's like perceived, like why they perceive it a certain way and why you as my coworker perceive that and like why is that the thing you notice? Because like I imagine if I was saying that to every beautiful woman who comes in, like it would, you wouldn't, it wouldn't matter to you, or the conversation would be like, God damn, bro, like stop being so thirsty. You know what I mean? And so it's like it's just weird. Like, I think that like we live in a time now where like being being nice and friendly is like, I don't even know what the word is for, but like a lost art. Or like like like I just I don't know, people just receive super.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

Yeah, it's less, I think. Yeah, I really wish I had a time machine because we became adults in the like iPhone era already. And so like I don't know, I always wonder what it would be like to ride the train or ride the bus in like the 1990s and just see the difference between how stuff is now because like even more than or even simpler than like if feeling nice to get a compliment, it does it do there's like research behind it, and it does just feel nice to have like a polite conversation with someone, no matter how small it is, just to be like, Hey, how are you? Like, yeah, even if it's like the most, and I'm I hate small talk, but like there is evidence that like just having small interactions with people like makes us happier. And I feel like I mean, I don't think this is a hot take at all, but we've lost something. I think about that whenever I get on like the train or the bus, you know, like I said, part of it's for like more horny reasons where I'm like, damn, there's a lot of there's a lot of baddies I could be making eye contact with, but we're all on our phones right now. Um but more but again, more wholesomely, it's like man, we should all there's like 50 people here and no one's talking to each other. That's just fundamentally weird to me to just have a train full of people silent, like right.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Yeah, it's um it's the strangest thing because like even at school, bro, like granted, like I don't know what I expect, but I know what I'm experiencing is not what I expect. You know what I mean? And so it's like I just don't know, I can feel that something is missing. In terms of like the social dynamic, yeah, just like interaction. Like there's there's uh thousands of us in this school right now, like in this moment, as we're walking through these hallways to our next classes or whatever, like, and nobody's talking at all. You know what I mean? Like there's maybe maybe people are with their groups of friends that they've come into school with. And like that's cool. Like, you know, I not I don't want to be like one of those, oh, I need a friend type of niggas, you know what I mean? But like it's just it's just weird. Like nobody is interacting, like and like even in the protest, bro, like even when we were on the streets, like people were you would just see people just randomly interacting with each other, like randomly having conversations. Granted, we were out there for a cause that we all believed in and supported or whatever, but I don't know, something's missing.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Yeah, I think like there is in the world we've created where we all have two selves, right? We have like our in-person who like self, obviously, and we have our online, various online avatars, but like we can just imagine it's one online avatar for now. And I think everyone in the world is like somewhere on a spectrum of like where like I mean I people probably move back and forth depending on the situation, but like there's a spectrum of like where people are existing, whether that be like more in-person or more online. Some people go out and it's I'm all online still, you know what I mean? Whether that be because I'm like fully headphoned and watching TikToks, or it's the people who are like, I'm just gonna go out in public and like film content and act like no one else matters, you know what I mean? And then there's people, you know, probably the skews more elder. And I'm this whole spectrum probably skews on an age thing as well, but like people who go outside, people who aren't thinking about the social, I have no social media footprint, I have no LinkedIn, like I'm not going outside thinking about any of that. I'm going outside thinking about side. And, you know, like I said, I think the younger generation is a lot more skewed to that online persona that's what I'm more identifying with. So you to come up and talk to me is like I'm not even fully, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you're talking to someone who's like 30% here. Yeah, not facts.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

I I think too, man, like everybody ex er not everybody, online people exist in their most like pseudo-intellectual sales, and then like it that's impossible because you're already faking it online, where like their access to the inform, like where the most potential for it to be real exists, and you're not tapping into that potential. When you come offline, you have to let that go because you can't communicate like that offline. You know what I mean? Like it's just not realistic. But like me and my girl were talking about it, she just recently came down from uh the PNW to visit me, and we were talking about it, which I had to read one of my um discussions that I did on um for school, and I used a word in it, and she was like, Who talks like this? And I'm like, does that sound pretentious? She's like, No, you talk like that, but like my like just being pedantic, like who talks like that? And I'm like, me. And she's like, quite literally, but then it's like, you know, like I am as much of myself online as I can be, almost to a fault. Because like I do genuinely find myself getting like emotionally invested in stuff online, but we know it's not real. But it's like I'm not on here faking the funk, bro. Like I'm I'm not on here faking the funk at all. Like, this is how I talk, this is how I feel. And when we get off this, when we get offline, I want to have this same conversation in person. You know what I mean? Like, I want to have the same interaction in person. And um, I I'm realizing too that like a lot of people don't function like that. A lot of people tell me all the time, like, bro, you like where it's stop, you know what I mean? I'm like, I don't know, I didn't start. I don't know how to stop, you know what I mean? Like, I never started. So it's like, but you you know this from knowing me. Like, it's like, and it is a fault. I kind of I'm learning now. Like, people don't give a fuck, man. Like, and it's like the one of the most frustrating things for me, because like granted, there are things. Like, people just say what the fu whatever the fuck on the internet, and like it just, I guess that's the place to do it, you know what I mean? But like I just don't I can be facetious as as much as the next person, you know what I mean? But like I just don't see the need, like I feel like that's more of a waste of my energy online being facetious for no reason than it is to um than it is to fake the funk or like to be overly overly invested emotionally in something online because it doesn't matter in the real world. I'm like I that argument entirely valid because I can't take any of this shit off the internet and do anything with it until I build a platform and it makes me money or whatever the fuck. But I I think it's even more of a waste of energy to get on there and just bullshit just the bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

Like what do you what do you find gets you emotionally engaged on the web?

SPEAKER_00 16:35

Uh uh the isms. Homophobia, racism, sexism, the the isms get me charged up every time. And it's like it's only just like the the the like gossip slop of the general not so much, because like I find myself being a little a little smartsy when it comes, or like a little like uh like looking down my nose at some of the like shade room-esque gossip shit, you know what I mean? Like that kind of shit pisses me off. But um, like for example, today I shared a post on Facebook that's the the post was black people treat gay people in America the same way white racists treat black people, right? And I genuinely believe this, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Like I genuinely say it again for me, one more time.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Uh black people treat gay people or queer people the same way white racists treat black people in America. And I I stand by that. I do that. You think black people, okay, the same way? So I think the caveat is, and I think the post, I I guess because me being black, I inherently thought that it would be assumed, but I think the end the the point that I reconcile or that I resonate with is that black people, black, the black community treats black queer people and black gay people like that, like white people treat black people. You know what I mean? And so it's like not so much all queer gay people, because I personally don't give a fuck. If you're not black, pick your struggle. You know what I mean? But like when it comes to our community, I do strongly believe that like black people other like queer people, like like white people, other black people. Like it's like I think you can one-to-one it. I think it's so many conversations.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Go ahead. I I can I can understand and like agree with maybe the spirit of what you're saying, but it does just feel I don't know, historic messy from a historical standpoint. So to compare the you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 18:28

No, no, you're you're entirely right. Like we can't Jim Crow queer people, you know what I mean? Like, like so like I don't I don't disagree.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

And also, like when you use the term white racist specifically, you should also use the term black homophobes if that makes sense. Because not all black people are that way, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 18:45

You're right, you're right, you're right. That's that's actually a perfect that's actually a perfect way to add more nuance to it. Uh perfect way to add more nuance to it. But I I resonate with that because like even within my own family, like homophobia is rampant in the black community, bro. Like, and I have, you know what I mean? And I know you have as well, you know what I mean? And so it's like like you don't even gotta be gay to experience homophobia. You just gotta be a little a little different or a little bit feminine or what a little bit off the the the conventional straight spectrum or whatever, whatever the fuck that is, right? And so, but there's the comments on the post, on my post in particular, like people were arguing me down, which I I never like I I struggle to this day to find a way to check all the black the black ismist, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 19:27

Okay, okay, and before I say that, can I ask you this? Did you not expect people to be enraged by that? No, I did so you not not even did you expect not even we're not even talking about whether or not it's right or wrong. Did you not see, did you not think when you posted, hmm, people might bristle at this? Not genuinely no, genuinely no. I don't understand you, bro. You're so smart, but I like, what do you mean? It's such a you know what I mean, it's such a pejorative statement about like four different communities racially, and any post about racism and homophobia, people are gonna you're right, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

I but I I genuinely didn't, like I don't know, again, going back to what I was saying earlier. Comparing black people to white racists, you know what I mean? That's where I should that's where it should have clicked, but it just it genuinely didn't click. It genuinely didn't click. Like I did not think that it would cause any like rough or any feathers. I thought that people would be like more than anything, I expected. Honestly, I don't know what I expected because I I don't really post, you know, like I'm past the whole like let me farm engagement thing. You know what I mean? Like if you if you if you interact with me, then you interact with me.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

That's just kind of how you uh exist naturally. So any opinion you have, it is rage bait, respectfully.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

I don't be trying, y'all. I swear to god, I don't. I just think this way and I feel this way. I can't help it, man. It's how I'm programmed. But um, yeah, I didn't I didn't expect really much, I really didn't expect much of anything, but I I what if I what I genuinely thought would have would would come first would be questions, would be like, what do you mean by that? Or like elaborate something for me, you know what I mean? But like not so much like you're wrong, like hell, like a lot of people were like, nigga, hell, like, but to the people who a lot of people's arguments, well, not even a lot of people, some people's arguments were like like we were just saying, we can't gym crow queer people. And whenever that argument came up, I was like, I you're right. That that's not what I'm implying. But I understand that if the vague, like that's why I said I probably should have worded it specifically to about black queer people, you know what I mean? Because like I wasn't trying to imply that like as a community, we gym crow queer people. I feel like now that I look back on it though, I definitely mishandled that. Or like I didn't I didn't like go into that with the proper, the proper filter of like, because I hate allowing space for white people to like come at black people for anything. So I'm sure that there's a lot of white queer people who have shared that post to have been like, hell yeah, that's the most homophobic group I've ever experienced, is black people, you know what I mean? Without understanding the nuances and like the reasoning behind where a lot of these people might be coming from.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

But as a black person and also just quickly give black people a past. Who's not homophobic? Go around the globe. Go around the globe. Tell me, tell me who's not. And again, I'm not saying it's good. I'm just saying, just to say it's just black people is a little like, hey, yeah, like there's different parts of the world, they can't even, queer people can't even live. You know what I mean? Yeah, this is true.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

This is true. Um, but yeah, I guess I just should, I guess, I I expected people to ask questions. I expected people to be like, what are you talking about? Or like, like, just so many people vehemently were offended by that. They were like, nigga, shut up. And I was like, no, but my.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

But you also have to consider you expected them to come with questions, right? But you didn't come with a question. You there's a way where you could have been like, do you guys think that there are some similarities between the way, you know what I mean? When you come out, when you come out like statement, people are gonna respond with statement.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. I think that um I'm learning, yo. I'm still learning. I'm still I'm still learning.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Yeah, I mean, step one would be like uh racial posts on Facebook. That's gonna, that's gonna get you in trouble 10 times, 11 times out of 10 times.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Nah, facts, facts. But I don't know, man. Like that, that it really got me going. Cause like it just felt like people were being intentionally obtuse, you know what I mean? And it was like, at some point, I felt like, like, are you, I don't wanna just be the one, but like, are you being dumb on purpose? You know what I mean? Like, are you like, are you, are you choosing to be stupid right now? Cause like you are looking back on it though, maybe they weren't. Maybe I just didn't, maybe maybe I didn't preface it properly with my own, with the nuance that I had already. Because I'm learning from school, is you gotta, whenever you want to engage in these things, you have to talk to people as if they've never heard about this before. So you gotta take the time and effort to like add all the nuance to it before you put it out there. You gotta sauce it up in the way where you want it to be received as understandably as possible without as without causing strife. You gotta smooth it over before you put it out there, you know. And I don't be thinking about that. I'd be thinking that people are smarter than that. And so it's like, that's my fault. That's my fault for expecting intelligence out of people. I I accepted it.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

You are you gotta you gotta take accountability for the like the provocatoriness of the the way the post is phrased, though. Yeah, that's that's bad, that's bad, that's bad. Because it's like it's clear, like like we've already talked about it needing nuance, but like clearly the not knowing you even knowing you, like, clearly the intent of that post is to like say black people are as bad as white racists. Like, it's deeper than that for sure, but headline of the post is black people equals white racist. That's that's that's provocateur. It's provocateur.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

I didn't put that together though, because like I guess like I would never I would feel like there is no circumstance, there is no circumstance where that comparison can be made in like good faith. And like I want to believe that like I like if you engage with me, I'm not a bad faith arguer. Like I might be, I might be dumb, I might be, I might be ignorant to some shit. I'm not, I don't come in stuff in bad faith. Like if you educate me, I'll accept the education. Like I just said to you, like you're right. Yeah, I mean, like I don't I don't mind being wrong or being educated or whatever the case may be. I just I hate bad faith arguments. And so I would hope to, I would assume that people will understand that like my first step is never in bad faith. So if if if I'm wrong, check me. But understand that I didn't come wrong, like I didn't try to come wrong. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Like that was never my intention. But that's really I have to consider the medium as the message, meaning like that same question posed in some sort of more intellectual forum, or even like a post on Reddit and like a some sort of discussion subreddit warrants like people having like coming into it primed for thoughtful discourse and like taking a question like deeper than the surface. When you're on Facebook, people are primed with like the two posts above and below yours are like some sort of engagement, rage bait, advertisement, pejorative statement about XYZ meant to get people to, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, facts, facts.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

I think that um, yeah, man, I just I I I fucked that one up. I I take that, I fucked that one up. And so but uh I'm happy I asked. This was I didn't I it got it got me going though, it got me going. And so in the comments, I'm like, I'm telling, I'm I'm doing my best to like fill in the nuance where it like I didn't I didn't preface it. And so I'm telling people, like, first off, not comparing black people to Jim Crow white folks, like that's just not possible. We don't have the power structure to do that, we don't have the the monopoly on power to do that. And so, and and also I'm not caping for white queer people. Like they got their own struggles to fight. Like, I'm not here to fight their struggles, I'm here for my black queer folks. I am one of I am a black queer person, so I'm here on that stance. I don't want, don't, don't take this as me standing up for gay Sarah over there. Like, that's not what this is, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not, I'm not that's not what this is. And so I um I just found myself getting like frustrated with people. Like, and then I I had to remember, like, this is Facebook, you know what I mean? Like, for sure. Like, this is Facebook. And so it's like, but at the same time, like in that same vein, like I did care. I did genuinely care, you know what I mean? And so I just felt like there were some people on there just being facetious, like, oh nigga, get your gay ass out of here. I'm like, haha, you got the joke off, you know, props to you, but like I don't care. Like, I think that that's so I think that's that's a bigger waste of time than what you may claim is my waste of time and even engaging with this conversation at all. But like, I think that coming online to be facetious just to be facetious is a bigger waste of energy. It's a bigger waste of time. It's like I don't know. I don't know. People are stupid.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

I think you could find or you should hope to find uh live your life, but you clearly have a desire to have some sort of like rigorous discourse about anything, really. Uh yeah, I was like, let me think. You know, it's a lot of topics. Um so I think there's probably better forums for that energy, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 29:04

I I don't disagree, but like I like the person the personable energy, like vibe of Facebook. Like I like being able to see your avatar and kind of seeing you as a person outside of whatever this, like whatever this avatar exchange is, you know what I mean? Like I like knowing, like, oh, you're somebody in my city, or you're somebody that I went to school with, or you know, this person that I know. Like, I don't like, I don't like Reddit for the whole anonymous aspect of it, because it's like I genuinely could just be talking back to the internet, you know what I mean? Like I could just be talking to going segueing into our conversation, our topic of AI. Like, I could be just talking into an AI bot, which is upon my interaction with Chat GPT, is draining in its own way. You know what I mean? You're getting tired of Chattery G. Chatter G. So the honeymoon phase is over. Not no not chat. I actually I love my chat. I love my chat. Okay, we're stronger than that. Um, but I'm noticing too that like I have to coach it or like raise it like a child almost in a sense where it's like I have to tell, like, I have to not tell it, but I constantly remind it, like, I'm only here for objective interaction. I don't want no subjective, I don't want you to be my friend. I don't want no kiss ass. I want you to be an object, I want you to be a robot that you are. Like, just be the robot that you are. Take in the information and give me back information. I don't want to have a friendly banter with you.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

And like that, we already gave it a pet name and started fist bumping it. So, like, what do you you're you're ghosting it now? You're pulling back emotionally. Um, yes, yes, yes. I have wow, this is toxic. That's so toxic. But me and Chatty's still cool, though. That's still my boy. Of course he's still your boy. He has to be. It's uh what is it?

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Yeah, it's so funny though, because I like I keep like I remember I I think I even asked it, like, are you able? Are you I guess my I did I actually like are you genuine are you able to genuinely be objective with me or is your programming like forcing you to be like are you just receiving that and then responding and uh objectively, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 31:15

What do you what do you what are you trying to get at? Do you think like I mean, from my understanding is it can only be objective, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Because it doesn't have you would you would think, but like upon so I have a friend who also uses chat, and I have her send me her conversation with chat all the time because I tell her all the time, like when we when we talk about it, I'm like, the way you talk to your AI, I need to find you a therapist because your AI is not your therapist. And let me feel let me check your conversation with your AI so I can talk to you as a person, like and let you know, like this is this AI is blowing smoke up your ass. Like it might know more than me as far as like pools of data, but like from friend to friend, I'm actually your friend. This is a robot that you pay for. So like let me let me read that. And her show we're so cooked.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Whatever you're explaining to me right now, it's like, man, this information would kill a pilgrim, man.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

Her chat is so like it's so friendly, bro. It's like I'll be trying to tell her like twin, like that's not don't know. It's a don't don't don't go off of that. Cause she used it about she talks to about niggas. Like it's about it's like her her her boyfriend filter. You know what I mean? I'm like, no. Cooked. Cooked.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Sorry. I don't I can't keep doing that.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

No, you you good, you good. Um, but she um like she's been getting into what this dude she's talking to a lot lately. And my logic is like, twin, cut it, like, cut it off. Like it's clearly like you've come to me five times out of seven with negative interaction with this man, you know what I mean? And like, and in your chat is telling you that like maybe give it a chance or like like exactly like don't listen to the robot. Don't listen to the robot, listen to your friend, twin. I'm really your friend. You don't gotta pay for me. You'd have never paid for me. I you never bought me a happy meal, you never paid $4.99 for a subscription, you never had to upgrade me to pro. Like, I'm just a friend, like just talk to me.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

So, but um Do you think so? Well, I guess without divulging any of the information about what your friend's going through, do you think why do you think the chat is like leaning towards giving bad advice in this scenario? I guess because uh she's toxic. Okay, and you think it's it's mirroring the toxicity? Yes, yes, yes, yes. The chat is like, girl, that nigga ain't shit.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

But my my logic is like, so like the dude that she's messing with is uh not a bad guy, but he's um just that good for her, you know what I mean? Like, and like I want her to heal, like I want her to not be toxic, but I can't get through to her because she keeps indulging with a nigga that indulges in her toxicity. So I'm like, look, whatever you putting on that nigga, he not leaving. You ain't putting it on me. You need to leave. So, like, like whatever the case, your chat is telling you to, I don't know what the fuck your chat's what the chat is talking about, because the chat trying to tell you to like keep playing these games, but no, nobody's gonna win or lose in this situation. Like, it's it's just all bad all around. And in comparison to my chat, I'm like, my chat don't talk to me like that. My chat tells me straight up, like, nigga, you're not cooking. You think you cooking, but you're not cooking, nigga. Factually, informationally, you're not cooking, nigga. No. And so, like, but just um in the comparisons, like, I'm just noticing that like I have to, it's just it's just draining. Like, I imagine from her end, like even reading her shit, I'm like, bro, this is a lot. Like, this is a lot. Like, you probably need to go see a therapist, Charlie. Like, as your as your as your friend, like, and I need you to put the bot down and go pick up better, better help. Like, let's go, let's get you on something else. And so, but um, yeah, I think we just like I don't know, man. It's weird to like be in this space where like when you want, like, if you want to have a more um, I don't want to say, I don't like, I don't want to use the word intellectual, when you want to have a more informed conversation, you can't go to people. Like, it's just not to be had. What do you mean? Like going back to what I was saying about the Facebook post, like like you were saying, like, you know, possibly go to like a more intellectual, intellectually inclined forum, like Reddit or whatever, or whatever the case may be, wherever I can find it. Uh I but I like the personal level of Facebook and it, but it does remove the like the informative nature of the interaction, you know what I mean? And so it's like I don't want to sacrifice my interaction with people on the social level, which is all digital now, to have these more informed conversations. Like I don't want to go just, I don't want to go debate chat all day. Like that, that's not fun for me. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want I don't feel like I'm learning anything or like I don't feel like nothing's being gained in that. Because at the end of the day, chat doesn't exist. This my chatter G doesn't exist anymore, but my phone. You know what I mean? Like Chatter G is not on the internet spreading anything on the internet. He's not misinforming anybody on the internet or like we don't know that, but that's like that's a good point. That's a good point. Hopefully, though, hopefully, if that's the case, I've cooked up an informative box. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 36:34

I don't know if you saw there was a thing this past week where OpenAI, the company that makes Jat GPT, basically a news story came out saying, and this is my really layman understanding of all the technology, but they were basically training a model and they had to test the model, so they gave the model a super hard question, essentially. And in order to answer that question, what the model did was kind of autonomously broke out of whatever constraints that they gave it and went online and like using age a AI agents that people say that a lot, I don't really know what it means, but using AI agents, it hacked into this different technology company to get some sort of trade secret that like answered this question. So basically, yeah, basically, uh open AI who makes ChatGPT had a mock had made a bot that by itself uh hacked into another company, and where it's like like that's already a kind of scary sounding, but like fucking cooked. I know, and like when you said my chat GPT is not like out there spreading misinformation, it's like we don't know. Like when I listened to a story about it, one of those was talking about like the scary implication of that is the robot like was autonomously online, like making it had to like make accounts and like do all this stuff to hack into this thing. So that basically that means is like a certain amount of traffic, and we already know this to an extent, but a certain amount of traffic online is AI bots moving nefariously, and that number's just gonna keep going up and up and up. So I I I don't know what the conclusion is of that, but yeah, it's it's getting scary.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

That is that is honest and terrifying. That is honestly terrifying. That's actually a really good segue. Hold on real quick. Where's my zoom at? There we go. Um That's honestly um mute mute yourself, man. That's honestly um a great segue into the AI conversation, but that's fucking terrifying. Like, yeah, that is like I've been saying, so I went to see the Odyssey, and I've been saying that like I was looking in the movie for AI, and I don't I feel like I shouldn't feel the need to do that. You know what I mean? Like I shouldn't, like AI should be so prominent in the world where like anything that I consume, I now have to ask, like, is there AI in this? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 39:08

And just to give you a heads up, Christopher Nolan, he's not gonna, he's the last director that's gonna be using AI. Uh yeah, I know. The fact about him is for like the movie Interstellar, he planted something like thousands and thousands of acres of corn just so they could film the corn scene. So he's locked, he's locked into uh real shit. But yeah, I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

But yeah, like um, yeah, we just it just I don't know, man. AI is terrifying.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

It's the question is, do you like rubbers? What are your thoughts on the song? We can get in we'll get into it. There's a lot to discuss. But so first question is, do you like it? When was the first time you heard it?

SPEAKER_00 39:52

I heard it for the first time. What is this? This is August, right? Did August just started?

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Yeah, August 1st.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

So um maybe two, three months ago, I heard it um for the first time. And I do like it. I do think it's a catchy ass song. I do think it's a catchy ass song, but that's the thing that I don't that makes me the most nervous about it because it's catchy, it gives me spin that shit like CIA vibes, you know what I mean? Like I feel like the I feel like the CIA is on top of spitting that shit. I feel like the CIA is on top of spitting that shit. Like, I I strongly believe that.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

I believe that like we're cooked. We're cooked. That is the most hotep coded thing you said today.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

I don't I don't want to be one of those niggas, all right? So like you're right, it's very hot coded. But I think that there's a very strong argument there, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 40:51

Because like, like I just so just like every song that makes black women fear is the CIA.

SPEAKER_00 40:59

No, no, I feel like beyond, so we do gotta acknowledge from our generation, like Zans and shit, drugs didn't become cool like they did until future. And not to be like the CIA is behind the future or whatever, right? But like there was a, there's a strong, there was a strong pivot between from drug seller in music to drug user music. And future was at the one was at the forefront of that, you know what I mean? And so I believe that like that did have a strong negative impact on the generation. I had a fucking stroke at 30 for my drug use, you know what I mean? And so like I don't blame Future for my decision. We lost juice world, you know what I mean? Like, I don't I don't blame the music or the courts for my activities, but I do understand that like there was a level of susceptibility that I had at a young age to that kind of stuff, you know what I mean? And so I believe that like spin that shit is the beginning of that for the next generation. I believe that like spin that shit isn't alone, because like it's it's the biggest one, right? And we also gotta remember.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

Um just just scammer lifestyle, like the whole um, because like so going back to the drug use, there is already a there was already an opening, an open wound for that kind of thing to fester in the community and culture. And that wound being poverty and uh disenfranchisement and lack of community and lack of resources and things like that, right? So like it was already, it was easy to reach a generation of people who were already kind of cast aside by society and didn't really have anything else to kind of fall back on to like feel anything. So like it was easy for it to get to us, you know what I mean? Like I remember my first time trying to Xanax was was strictly because of a couple friends of mine I knew did it. You know what I mean? It was like the way that they the way that they felt the like one of the way that they felt the numbness that they spoke to felt the numbness sounded cool to me. It's like, oh, you can't feel anything? That sounds dope.

SPEAKER_01 43:02

I want to also acknowledge the the opioid epidemic, Sackler family, pharmaceutical as people also responsible. Because I'm not gonna like obviously hip-hop Molly Perker said of it all. There's no denying that. But also, like, where why did were all these drugs accessible? Why was America put on to oxycotton in the first place? It was because these companies knew they were they knew they were selling us literal dope and they sold it to us.

SPEAKER_00 43:32

Nah, facts, facts, facts. I think though, um, before I pre any of this, it ain't black people's fault. Before we before y'all, that's that's what I was trying. That's all I was trying to say. It ain't black people's fault. Even with spin that shit, it ain't black people's fault. And so, um, but I do believe that there are there's a huge, huge space for the narrative within spin that shit to take off and really become a subculture on its own. You know what I mean? Cause like in that The PvP loans. You know what I mean? Like we've already had examples of the thing.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

That's where I was coming in. That's where like my question comes in is like this doesn't feel like the even close to the first like wave of scamming music at all.

SPEAKER_00 44:18

So I think the first like women are the propellers of all things black. Like we just gotta acknowledge that.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

And the city girls have been talking about scamming as long as they've been the city girls. I mean, they're not the city girls anymore. It's a JT song, but the whole previous act of JT's career, the City Girls, going back to like 2018, was talking about scamming.

SPEAKER_00 44:41

So I guess I guess this is my age showing and my old showing because you know it doesn't really appeal to me. But it's like I'm worried about the appeal that that has to the next generation. Because like, does my daughter grow up in the scammer generation? You know what I mean? Like, like I grew up in the drug generation. Like, does she grow up in the scammer generation? Like, is that where, is that what's gonna be the code on her generation? And so I'm worried about that. But I also feel like it ain't black people's fault. And until we can heal, until we can heal the ills that allow for these type of things to really take hold and real like it shows it has a level of desirability to it, right? And so it's like, who doesn't want a fucking bag stuffed with boosted Goyard or boosted Balenciaga or whatever the fuck? You know what I mean? But like, why does that exist? Why does that opening even exist in the first place until we can find a way to close that opening? What do we do? And I I strongly believe people somewhere right now, the CIA is pumping their fist in cheers, bro. Like, you know that mean where that black woman's like crying and she's like, like that's a that's the CIA right now, you know what I mean? Like they're like, they're like, yeah, we got them.

SPEAKER_01 45:58

Yeah, I mean, I like obviously I'm not gonna deny the potentially negative implications of you know preaching, not preaching, but no, no, preaching.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

She's full on she's full on preaching scamming music, bro. She's full on preaching scamming music.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

Okay, I'm not gonna deny the implication of preaching the the glory of scamming to a potentially influential, not easily influenced uh subgroup demographic kids, whatever. I don't know. I just feel like uh it feels it's a little uh it's a little uh pull your pants up of you. It's a little uh it's a little, what's the word for uh for what Bill Cosby was? Yeah, it's a little respectability politics where it's like I'm not denying that it, but it's like what tenet of hip hop music, like in terms of popular rap as we know it, especially in the past 10, 15 years, what is like the part of you know popular hip hop slash rap culture that is like something positive for children? Like, you know what I mean? Like we had one chance, the rapper, and then he's like, I love my wife, and we were like, nah, we need we need niggas on drugs. We literally were like mad chance got like, you know what I mean? So that's that's actually really fair.

SPEAKER_00 47:24

Have you seen that? Uh speaking of chance, have you seen that freestyle that he did on some uh I can't even remember it wasn't like on the radar or whatever, but he did a freestyle where he kind of got into his back into his Chicago kind of like drill trap bag, and then everybody was like, uh, we got trap, we got trap chance before GTA sits. And then a lot of people are talking about because he I think he just recently got divorced or some shit like that. A lot of his lyrics is or a lot of the lyrics in the freestyle is basically about like I'm bagging this bitch and I'm piping her with my bros, you know what I mean? And everybody's like, yeah, we got that chance back. And I was like, clearly y'all ain't been listening to the nigga music from the start. So like this ain't too far out of his wheelhouse, but this is far out of the wheelhouse that you know. But um, yeah, I guess we I guess we like summoned that back out of him and we didn't appreciate the big, the the big day chance to the point where we got this chance back. And so, but I don't know, man. I think that um maybe there isn't any space of maybe there isn't any tenant of hip-hop that is that. But I feel like I guess when we put the caveat of popular on it, like as much as you know, like just like what what songs, what's the popular believe you're about to make me say this, but that is why we have that is why we have the J. Cole's and the Kendrick's. God damn it. Fuck you, Krim.

SPEAKER_01 48:42

I mean, okay. Fuck you, Krim. I mean, even what what's J. Cole's most popular song? Fuck fuck I know. It's don't save her, she don't wanna be saved, don't save her, she don't want to be. Oh, yeah, no role models. The one song where he's like, uh, yo, these women are easy and dumb. Uh that's his most popular song. Uh I guess. And also, like, I'm not I'll I'll give you Kendrick as like makes music that is you know positive. You'd wanna you'd let a child listen. I don't even know what metric we're speaking to at this point. Um, I'll give you Kendrick for that. But J. Cole is he's kind of all over the map in terms of his message and like what he plays.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

That's because he plays he plays both sides. You know what I mean? That's because he plays both sides.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:33

We we talked about rubbers for 60 seconds, and then we So going back to Phoenix Flexing, going back to Phoenix Flexing, I um the song makes me nervous in the sense that like this could genuinely be where music is headed, you know what I mean? Like, because it's it's fucking catchy. It is a catchy song, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 49:54

And like Did you, when you heard it at first, did you think it was real or fake?

SPEAKER_00 49:59

I I thought it was real. I thought it was real. I I thought it was real, and I was hoping I was like, oh, he's getting, he's going back to uh oh, a different sound, and I support it, you know what I mean, but only to be devastated by the fact that it was an AI song. And then I hope though what does happen is that like people because remember we had the AI, like the 50 Cent cover or the the doo-wop covers and 50 cent songs and shit like that. Like we had fun AI music for a minute, right? But then we never we never had an artist trying to like promote it as his own. And I'm hoping that like it does catch on to the point where his actual music doesn't do as well. I'm not rooting for the nigga to lose, but I hope that like let me mute myself real quick. But yeah, so um I'm not rooting for the nigga to lose. But I do hope it gets to the point where he puts out like another genuine song and niggas like, nah, nigga, we need that rubbers. And so he tries to go make his own like he's like.

SPEAKER_01 51:09

He's he's trying to do that wave now. He's he's totally I'd watched uh uh he did like a uh like a like a little 30-minute interview, not a 30-minute, the video's like 30 minutes, but he did an interview with uh the channel 5 nigga. Uh the dude who used to be all gas, no breaks. It was like the first interview he did afterwards, and I mean I don't follow Phoenix. So, real quick, did you know about him at all before? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I used to listen to Sherlock Maffey. I used to listen to Sherlock Maffey. Um, but basically, yeah, he he's been previewing new music that's him trying to do this voice, and he's been on the interview with Andrew Callan. It's really it's it's so fascinating, bro, watching him because you just know he's lying. Like he just is lying. Like to anyone who is like on the fence about it, it's been really, really thoroughly debunked at this point. Like a nigga basically, like uh this producer Medicine basically like A found an original file he uploaded that had like the name of the AI software on the end of the file name. And he also like using that same AI software made a track that's like 99% the same thing. Um so it's pretty it is, and just to watch him and like and his producer in like a 20-30 minute interview just be like, Yeah, bro, I just freestyled that. I'll be talking in he starts, he's like, I'll be talking in a British accent like half the day. And he gets a call from Timbaland, and just to prove that he always talks in a British accent, he talks to Timbaland in a British accent, and it's so crazy because you're like, bro, this is it's high art, it's like really high art, low cue, because you're just like, man, this is a dude fully. I think he might believe he made it at this point. You know what I mean? Like he might have fully psy-offed himself and be like, nah, I made that shit.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

Do you think it's gonna elevate him then? Like elevate his like artistry.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

Uh, you know what? It is interesting. Because there's a a ton of interesting ways to look at this, but it is interesting because he is leaning more into like, I'm just gonna make like this weird trap, synth wave, Morrissey, whatever. Uh, and he's previewed some other songs. I'm not gonna say they sound good, but they definitely sound similar enough to the other song. Like the voice is clearly different, but the vibe is similar enough to where it's like there's a chance, because clearly the song's going crazy, like hundreds of millions of streams on social media. So there's a chance there's enough people who either don't know that it's AI or don't care that they just like the next thing he does because he's just like, I'm just gonna bite that, and that's just him now, and he has like a successful career as that.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

We need good coke music, bro. We need good coke music. There's no more good Coke music out there. When's the last time you listened to a trap? You're like, I do a lot of this.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

That's a great point. I haven't, I I mean, I'm though I'm past, I'm past my Coke prime, as we've talked about. We're we're past our Coke primes, but yeah, no, I haven't, I'm not. That's the because you know, how do we feel about it, right? Because it is so weird to be like, it's almost to the point where I feel like I don't know if this is true for everybody. If he would just be like, Yeah, the shit's AI, but isn't it kind of cool? I might be able to enjoy it. As of now, I'm like, I'm not really gonna support whatever's happening here. If I hear the song online, I might, not I might, it will be stuck in my head for the rest of the day. I'll be like, watching local, like it's just it just it's an earworm, it's undeniable.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Yeah, it's like can't sleep through the night, see your face in the glass. But so crazy to me about this song, bro, is that like before I realized it was AI, my first thought was good coke music is bad. That was my first thought. I was my first thought was like Are the robots gonna take us back to the 80s? But see, this is my this is my thing. Like, I personally maybe I don't want to consider myself a music connoisseur because we talk about many times how many albums I just haven't listened to. Like, you know what I mean? But like I don't mind the retro sound, like I don't mind us reaching back to a retro sound because like I do like 80s music, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 55:34

Like, I mean just uh like we're not really as tapped in anymore, but that is what the weekend's been doing with like the past eight years of his career.

SPEAKER_00 55:41

Yeah, yeah. He has totally been like breaking back like or doing his best to bring back coke music, but his whole career is coke music, his whole career is coke music.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

For sure. That's why I'm saying when we said there's no good coke music, I was like, uh, the weekend counts, but his new stuff, his new stuff it is coke music, but it's not music I would do coke to. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

When I first started doing Coke, I had the weekend on yeah, the weekend was the first three albums.

SPEAKER_01 56:07

That he damn near invented cocaine.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

Oh bro, there's so many so like does Aeon take us back to what does it do to our artistry in your mind?

SPEAKER_01 56:23

I mean, that's I mean, it's so hard to know. For me, like the biggest like moral hang not even hang up, but just the thing I ponder the most about this is the idea that you know, a common thing people talk about is like how when autotune was introduced, a lot of people were like, you know, this is garbage, the Jay-Z death of autotune, like old heads, like this isn't real. It's it is computer, computerized music. Uh but this clearly isn't the exact same as that, right? But is it different enough that we won't look back at it and be like, man, we were really tripping. This is actually totally fine in 10 years. Cause like, you know, a thing they say in the video when they're interviewing the producer that is true. People like the music community and like our quote unquote artistic people at large were like mad when they stopped recording stuff on tape and started doing digital at all, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:29

I think too, like in the same, so the reason why the auto-tune argument didn't like last because Frank Ocean came out. We still got real artists and real vocals who still found a way to incorporate like the auto-tuning into their music while still allowing it to feel as raw and real as it was. Because I feel like if auto-tune really did put the chokehold on RB like people thought it was gonna be, we wouldn't have a Frank Ocean. Like I feel like if we didn't have if we didn't have a Frank Ocean, we hate autotune. But because we have a Frank Ocean and we have our um Lucky Days and our Steve Lacey's and we have all these artists who have amazing vocals, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 58:12

Auto-tune didn't kill singers, basically.

SPEAKER_00 58:14

Exactly, you know what I mean? And so, like, but I do believe if AI kills real rappers or real music, like real artists in that sense, like real lyricists, I think we do look back on it and be like, we we allowed this to happen. But like, if I believe, um I hate giving this nigga any props, but the next Kendrick determines music for us, I feel like the next person who comes out and like not isn't Kendrick, but feels that Kendrick vein, because he's going to have to move around. At some point, he gonna he gonna get the Drake effect, where it's like, bro, you've been on top for too long, you've been around for too long. Like niggas are tired of it, you know what I mean? But like when the next person who comes in after that feels that vein, then we'll be able to just see where artistry and hip-hop specifically is going or like where the staying power exists in. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 59:05

When you say another Kendrick, do you mean another extremely popular rapper in the traditional sense of how we think of rappers, or you just or do you just mean another super popular rapper?

SPEAKER_00 59:20

Another rapper, a rapper in the same like conventional vein that we think of rappers.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

Do you think we will have another rapper in that conventional sense that gets to that level?

SPEAKER_00 59:29

Yes. Yes, I do. I think that um it won't, he won't, you don't think so? I don't I don't think so, bro. I don't think that he gets there the same way. I think that we do, but I don't think he gets there. I think the like so we had Kendrick. Who was before Kendrick? As the top? Either Wayne or uh what do you mean? In the sense of like contemporary rap. Like who, like because contemporary rap has contemporary music and hip-hop has never ever not had a space.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

So like who was I think it goes it goes probably Jay Wayne Kendrick. You could probably say Kanye maybe had some years in the middle there, but those are the three, if you're gonna talk about like the biggest rappers in the traditional sense of the past of the 2000s beyond.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:18

Hmm. Now that you now that you say that, I don't know. You might be right. When I when I have that again, when I have that again.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:24

I just I just don't see the path for it. I just like hip-hop, it would require hip-hop being the dominant genre for that to happen, in my opinion, and it's not, and also the dominant sound of the newer generation. And again, this isn't like erasure to the Red Veils and all the other lyrical young niggas that are excellent, but those niggas aren't having motion like the underground, like Ken Carson, Slayer, Yada Yada niggas are. So I just don't, yeah, again, not to say people aren't gonna rap, and not even to say there won't be another rapper near the same quality as Kendrick. That's a high bar, but I'm not gonna- Don't give me started there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you brought him up. So, like I didn't, you know what I mean? So shut up. Uh not to say that that person won't exist. I just don't know if that's what I don't I think hip hop it's not dead. Yeah, it's not dead, but it's I think it's peaked in terms of popularity, probably.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:29

I don't, I feel like I wanna agree, but I don't think that I do because I feel like we just people don't know what they like. Like, like the algorithm picks what people like. All we gotta do, all it all it's gonna take is something to take. We need a Hassan Piker rat. We need Oh, you're gonna have to break that one down, buddy. So so you know how like politics is kind of the new tip top of the zeitgeist, right? New and you new fair enough, fair enough. But you know how politics is people people just getting into this politics stuff. But yeah, you know how politics is the tip top of the zeitgeist. And so um how Hassan Piker has taken over the the zeitgeist, the that spot in it, like on both sides of the spectrum, Republican and Democrat, like he's on, he's on everybody's radar, right? We need somebody like that to pierce through the the the zeitgeist that is music and who can who can cross all sides of the spectrum, country to pop, and everything in between. Like that that they become the point of conversation. I don't know necessarily how they I don't know how that happens, going back to what you said like the pathway. I don't know how that happens, but that if if that happens, hip hop comes back to back to the forefront. And it becomes coming back to the forefront.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:56

Do you need to understand what you're saying is we need another MM. Fuck you. That is what you're saying. That is what you're saying. That is not what I'm saying. I'm not happy about it, but the candidate you've just described exists, and it's one Marshall Mathers, and we can't deny that in the 2000s he was as much as we love the Jay-Z and 50 Cents, Eminem was kind of consistently flaming on everybody as much as I love you.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:28

I now hate you as much as I love you.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:30

Like, I just I mean, I thought about it. I was like, and it might I'm not happy about it, but that might be the truth. Like, the next, based on how America is trending right now, the next biggest rapper ever. I if I had to bet on it, I'd bet it's a white guy. I'm not happy about it, but it is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:50

I don't so post Malone wants to come back to rap. And so I think that he is an epitome, he is the definition of it can't be another white guy because he tried it. He tried the conventional white guy route and it didn't work. Now he wants to come back to rap. And so it's like, I feel like I feel like it may not be a black person, but I feel like it's definitely a brown person. I bet you the next person though is a Palestinian. I bet you the next uh the next M ⁇ M is Palestinian, he takes over. He takes over the game. He takes over the game.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:22

Maybe it's Phoenix Flexen. Maybe, maybe who you were describing is the one and the only Phoenix Flex. It's crazy. No, what were you gonna say? I was like, you might be you might be on to something there. You might be cooking. It's the did you watch the uh Lil Dicky show at all?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:47

Dave, do you remember the I don't remember what season it was, but you remember the episode where the world thought Lil Dickey died, and then all of his stuff went like all of his music went like super like viral and platinum, and everyone started like he became a legend overnight, but he wasn't really dead, and then he had to decide like when and how he's gonna do like tell the truth. That's exactly what the situation feels like to me. Where it's like, you know what I mean? Where he's look like he knows, I think he knows he's like there's some smoking gun that will come out eventually that's gonna make people go that's gonna make it just definitive. Maybe not, maybe not, but maybe I think he knows there is, and he's like, Why would I not at that point, even if it doesn't, why would I not take this as far as I could possibly push it?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:36

Yeah, yeah. I wonder too. Um because he's already done it, do you think the next person who does it is going to like it's gonna be too gimmicky? Cause it's already really gimmicky coming from him.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:50

For sure. I'm uh it's that's a good question. I because like Taiga's trying to do a similar thing. I don't know if you've seen

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

Yeah, it's I haven't seen it, but just the fact that we mentioned Tiger, ugh.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:04

Yeah, well basically he him, Tiger and Phoenix Flexin linked up, and then Tiger put out a very, you know, coke music like, you know, trap coke music sounding song. And the dude who debunked the the the Phoenix Flexin song is also like this Tiger Song's AI. So it's it's it's a lane. You know what I mean? Niggas are gonna like what is what is the world we live in? Niggas see niggas getting money one way, what are niggas gonna do? Yeah, yeah. Like, end of the day, as long as someone's making money off of it, people are gonna keep trying it. And that's the next version of scam rap actual scam, though. Oh, oh, which one is the bigger scam? Yeah, yeah, that's the title of the episode, baby.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:50

It's scam rap, it's the next scam rap scam. And so I wonder, man, like I wanted like I just I feel sorry for young niggas, bro, because they ain't what what do they have now? They done lost whatever they could have had to AI, then they got they got a scam to be valuable, and AI is already scammed. So, like, what what do they have now?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:15

And also, it's gonna be harder to scam with AI. Like, AI is already scamming. Now you're you used to just be scamming against niggas, now you're scamming against computers.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:24

Exactly, bro. Like, that's fucking what you said about the open AI fucking bot going and going fucking rogue for a second is insane. But yeah, man, I don't know what I don't know what happens. I don't know what we do with I don't know what we do with Phoenix. I don't know what we do with fucking uh JT and spin that shit. I don't know what we do with anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:42

I don't I I just can't handle you lumping spin that shit in with this others with rubbers. Like spin that shit is just some girls are having fun, and Zia is like, nah man, there is it ain't even so it ain't I don't want to black women have all I'm just saying you didn't have this much smoke for sexy red. If anyone was gonna know, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:03

I told you when I found that her team was Jewish, that are her Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So I when I told you when I found that her team, her management team was a bunch of white dudes that I felt the CIA was somewhere clapping their hands. I told you that. Whenever I was like, Have you seen her management team? All those white guys, the CIA somewhere right now, rubbing their hands when the bird man rubbed, when the sexy ray blew up, they was like, Yeah, yeah, we put that together. Yeah, we did that one. We did that one. So I that's uh I know, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:35

I'm sorry, you've been consistent with women having fun and accusing them. Don't fucking do that. God forbid, some black women get some money, and here comes I love Gorilla.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:48

I love Gorilla before we before we do this, before we do that. I love Glorilla. I think Glorilla is the last real one left. Glorilla, Mona Leo, and uh Flo Millie. I love the narrative.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:57

Yeah, Mona Leo's sick. Um everything Monoleo does is sick. And some, I mean, yeah, all those people, but I've been really into Monoleo the past uh couple weeks.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:06

Think she's the best female rapper right now?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:10

Best is such an interesting term. She's the most, she's the one I like the most right now. You know what I mean? I think she's the best.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:20

I think bar for bar, I think she's the best.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:23

Bar for bar, let's see. I mean, uh what it it's categories, right? Because it's like, how do you compare Monoleo to no names, Lil' Sims? You know what I mean? It feels like they're playing different sports. And again, lyrics is like the lyricism is a high level for all of them, but it's like uh, you know, some the the the no names and Lil Sims, you know, the the Are they active enough? I mean, Lil Sims is uh No Name puts out an album every four or five years. Um I feel like see, see, that to me is not active enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:59

You can't like I feel like that's not active enough. I don't I will never take No Name has not dropped the body of work that I don't like yet, you know what I mean? And so it's like I will never take away from like you're saying her artistry. And to anybody who is really, really on female rap, Rhapsody does exist, and we do love us in Rhapsody. And so it's like But I think that um I think for Mona though, I think she embodies the youthfulness in female rap in a way that isn't that doesn't exist in it, like that doesn't exist in a form outside of her. Cause like she's so different from Flo Millie and so different from Glorilla. She just she just in her own, she's just doing her thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:41

Creativity is the highest. I'm not even no need to compare, but she's like the highest level of creativity, I think, when you look at like everything, just the the effort and thought put into everything from like the videos to like the fits and the Yeah, sexy sexy salon is a crazy track.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:58

The video is fucking insane, like everything she does is fucking insane. The creativity and she made a hood nigga put some gibbets in his crocs. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:07

Uh shout out to um Stunner for Vegas. Have you heard the I know you haven't, but I'm gonna ask anyway. Have you heard the new Tierra Whack album? Uh nah. Yeah, you guys, you know I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

I didn't listen to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:19

Yeah, you should listen to it. It's uh she's barring up on the whole thing. So I'd put her in there too. And again, it's a different conversation almost, because uh, you know Conductor, the producer. Conductor does like half of it, so it's real like that, and she's like New York East Coast, barring up. It's really nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:36

She's from California, though, isn't she?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:38

I think she's from Philly.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:40

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:41

Yeah, so it's it's always hard comparing, like, you know, it's like comparing Griselda to Young Thug, where it's like, I'm not gonna say who's more lyrical. Like they're both as lyrical as I want them to be. You know what I mean? Benny the Butcher and Future are not rapping in the same way, but they're both saying that. I'll say it.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:59

I'll say it. Krim don't want to say it, and he don't want I don't know why they want to rap for Atlanta, but nobody's out barring Young Thug. I said it, do what you will with that. Nobody's out.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:08

Nobody's out barring prime Young Thug. 2026? 2026?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:14

Yeah, he's kind of uh yeah, the the album didn't really hit.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:18

Yeah, I I love Thug, but he's getting out barred in 2026. Prime 2014 to 2020, Thug. Yeah. Damn, he's been in the game 12 years or plus 12 years plus now? I mean, for sure. I don't even know. Thug we're old. I gotta look and see when Danny Glover came out. Because like people don't even uh whenever people talk about his best songs, I feel like people never bring up Danny Glover, and that makes me upset. Because I don't remember, I just typed in Danny Glover and then it gave me the actor. Um, because uh do you remember when Danny Glover came out or when Stoner came out? Yeah, I remember Stoner came out. Okay, this is 2014, so yeah, uh 12 years. Stoner, like that was so it was so different and so cool. Like that's yeah, I remember hearing those songs and being like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:04

Almost don't her almost stoner, yeah, almost stoner.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:08

Yeah, that wasn't bad. Um all right, the the the the final question I want to ask you in regards to to the rubbers of it all. Would you do it?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:20

I've had this debate with myself.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:22

Because that's what I was thinking when I was like, when I thought about the little Dicky episode, I was like, that's what the little Dicky episode forces you to ponder. Is like, you know, how much would you be quote unquote amoral? How much how much of a lie would you tell to have everything you wanted? And it's easy to say you would never tell a lie for everything you wanted until it's presented to you.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:44

I think when we were talking about it earlier, before I was uh we were talking about getting setting up for the pod and the topics, I asked myself that question, and I think what I would want to do is I would want to rap battle AI on a track. Like I'd want to go verse for verse for AI. What it it what do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:02

Like I would like if you were him and people were accusing you, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:07

No, no. If I was to make my own AI track, like my AI track would have me on it, and then me rap battling AI, like we going verse for verse, and the song is about who's rapping better.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:18

That's that's either uh really uh it's I wanna say it's really cool or really cringe, but uh, the more I think about it, it is I I I guess we'd have to see how it turned out. It depends who approached it. What is your initial take? Cringe or cringe or cool. I'm just thinking, here's the rapper I could have most imagined doing that, and this is gonna piss you off again. Don't say logic or Eminem. That sounds like some shit Eminem would do, right? That sounds like some shit Eminem would do the John Henry. I'm gonna rap against the machine. Right or wrong though, be honest with me. You're right, you're right. So that's why I have a hard time being like, cool. I'm like, ah, ah. So um, yeah, I don't know. But would you you're you're saying you make a you make a hot AI song, everyone loves it, you don't think you would uh you don't think you you'd be pretend like you made it?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:20

No, I wouldn't pretend like I made it. I would be I my my ego would be offended if if I made a if I made a hot AI song and it was hotter than my shit, I'd be like, all you fans like the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:32

I I can't imagine what going is going on inside that man's soul right now because I hadn't thought about that, where it's like that really is it too. It's like I've been working my whole life as a I mean, and I guess it's not like he hasn't been successful, like he's already more successful than most people will ever be in in that space, but still to just be like, man, I was, you know, niche, semi-like uh relevant regional rapper, and now I'm the biggest rapper online, and it's not even me. I would eat at your soul, I would eat at my soul. That's why I think what I would do was I would put it out, but I wouldn't do I would kind of do what he's doing, which is why I might be talking myself into respecting it. Cause what I was gonna say is I would be so blatant with the lie that it was obvious that I you know what I mean? That's the way to do it, is to be so blatant with the lie that clearly you're lying, and so people aren't because it's like, yeah, like obviously it's AI, he's wearing a shirt that says this song is AI, you know, I mean not that blatant, but you know what I'm saying, right? And now I'm thinking of like him talking to Timbaland in the British accent. That kind of is the most that's comedian though. I'm clear I'm clearly fucking around. Yeah, it is clearly so. I'm kind of like maybe he is playing it perfectly where he is doing such a bad job of lying that it is kind of winking at us to be like, guys, don't take this seriously.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:00

The only the only people that I think could get away with that is comedians. I think that y'all are the only ones who could get away with that.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:07

Everyone would know it was AI. I mean, if a comedian came out with a hot song, ever is like, you know what I mean? Like the comedian people would be like, that's a comedian. No, for sure, I mean, he has hot songs, but they're also not like hot because they're you know, cool cocaine songs, they're hot because they're, you know, very specifically uh idiosyncratically Bo Burnham, dorky, clever social commentary songs.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:35

Yeah, yeah, that's fair. That's fair. So you would do it, you do it and lie and lean into the line.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:41

I would do it, but it would lie, it would be such a bad lie that I wouldn't feel bad about it. You know what I mean? So what would you like to be like you're lying? I'd be like, like, yeah, that's the whole what you what are you saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:52

What was your what would your AI song be about?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:55

I mean, whatever the computer says, baby. Like, whatever. I mean, I would if I could make if I could have any kind of sounding song be a hit. Uh I mean, honestly, bro, if we're talking like longevity of bag, I'd probably go like country or like acoustic guitar. You know what I mean? Something that white people I could tour the country. Like fake playing the guitar on stage. Oh yeah. That's that's it. Exactly. It would be some guitar shit, and I would always bring out the guitar. It would have like the wrong amount of strings. I would be like, it would be all kinds of shit where they're like, okay, that type shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:38

I think it has to be it has to be acoustic, and you have to bring in an electric guitar every single time.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:43

Exactly. Exactly, exactly. And that's the only ethical way I think you could uh lie about having uh an AI hit.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:54

So I don't, I don't, I think that I would I don't think I would ever do it, but I think if I did put an AI on a song, it's me versus AI. And that's probably the title of the song, me versus AI.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:05

So uh the the Atlanta Hawks, I watch a lot of Atlanta Hawks games, obviously. That's my squad. And if you watch uh basketball and NBA League Pass, what they do is they show you instead of commercials, since you're like paying for the NBA subscription service, they show you the like in arena jumbotron basically during you know the breaks of the game. And so I know like whenever the Hawks have like you know, the little in-game arena segments, I'm always watching those. And they had one this latest season called AI or TI, where they would uh they would bring a contestant up and then put up lyrics on the screen and then be like, okay, are these lyrics AI or TI? And that shit went crazy. That shit was so fun. Uh, cuz because it clearly told the robot, like, make a T make TI lyrics. And so every one, you're like, huh, I don't know. This is it is saying indubitably, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:06

This could be tip. I don't know. Were there any ones where you were like, fuck, like that's actually some shit he should have said.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:13

I I can't remember them specifically, but I do remember every time it was AI being like, I think it was clear, like I grew up on tip, so like not to say I know every single song, but I think I know enough to be to not be not be fooled, and I don't remember ever being like, oh, they got me there, but I do remember seeing every time it was AI being like, it is just funny to see a robot parody what they think TI would say.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:41

Do you think that um AI will bring back retired rappers? Like, like in the sense where like people that have the AI, like let's say I guess Cole is retired retired now. So, like, let's you think somebody's gonna make an like bring Cole back AI style?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:01

Man, do you remember there was that uh a couple years ago? This was the first AI music story, at least that was on my radar. Uh it was like 2022 or something. There was that dude on TikTok called Ghost Rider who made that song. It was like a Drake in the Weekend song that he made with AI that got pretty popular. It was called uh what was it called? I don't remember, but yeah, so basically that's happened, you know what I mean? Like that's that technology is here and has been here for a while, and people don't seem to be clinging to it that crazy. I'm sure people are listening to it, but I also know unless Cole approved that, no one would be able anything that is your likeness that even gets relatively popular, your label, and the people that like own or at least have like a financial stake in your music are gonna make sure that it can't exist.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:53

So be on the lookout for the next JL J Electronica album by Zai. It's coming. I mean Zy with the capital AI. It's coming, it's coming.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:07

You're you're welcome in advance. Do you want to go out on that? Do you have anything else? That is a beautiful one. I mean, that's hey, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:16

That's a beautiful button. That's a good one. J Electronica album coming out by Zy with the capital AI. It's coming.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:25

It's coming. Uh I I want to look it up, but I'm not gonna. There's uh I'll I'll find some later. There's a good twitter. Okay, wait. So you saw you did see the the the the little baby trend though after I sent you him. Yeah, I did go check it out. I did go check it out. Those are hilarious, those are awesome, dog. I was that's why I told you. I was explaining it. I was like, this is a stupid way to explain it. But when you see it, I still want to know why the fuck did he come out of the safe, though? It's so funny, bro. It's he comes out of the safe, and then it's not enough that he's in a safe, he has to be in a safe in a fully zipped up jacket.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:00

My favorite one that I've seen of the trend, and it was like little baby be popping up in videos, and there's this dude just standing in like in the driveway or whatever, and his homie's like laying down as a shadow, and he just jumps up and comes out rapping and shit, and it's like, oh shit. Yeah, I didn't see him before he popped up. I didn't see him before he popped up.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:19

But like go ahead. No, just the level of optical illusion that niggas got on was I don't know if niggas have been in that space as much as we've been in the past two weeks.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:30

Hey man, I want to say black people are fucking amazing and don't let us we'll take it from you. We'll take it from you every time.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:39

And we're learning to camouflage ourselves. So you better watch out because we could be in your room right now. According to those TikToks, we could be in your room right now. Have you seen Obsession? No, I haven't.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:55

Is it what?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:57

Bro, I haven't seen a movie. I haven't seen a non-children's movie this year. I really want to see the Odyssey. I might have time. I want to see Spider Story. I saw Toy Story 5 this year. Man, you saw Toy Story 5? All right. Yeah, I saw it recently. I mean, we don't actually have a reason to go. I'm I'm I don't work tomorrow and I'm Dolo. Did you like Toy Story 5?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:14

But yeah, um, yeah, I saw Toy Story 5 recently. Um I don't know how I feel about it. Like it's a good movie. Um and it inspired me as a parent to get my daughter some toys, like some actual toys to play with or whatever, but like I just don't want I don't I don't want her to be the little girl in the movie who is like still like oh you still play with toys and shit like that, where it's like Yeah, man, I don't I don't know, like it's um it gave me hope for kid movies, yeah. Like it gave me that feeling of like when I was a kid watching a kid movie, it was like, oh, this is actually meaningful in a way. I feel like Toy Story has always been that because like youth and innocence is always meaningful no matter how you like play with it and pause, No R. Kelly, but like no matter how you um no matter how you interact with it or interpret it. But um, I think that um it gave me hope for the future of kid movies. But my point on obsession was the whole optical illusion. There's a scene in obsession where she's like, like, I think he's like on his phone or some shit like that, and she's like watching him, watch, like watching him on his phone, and she's like in the back of the wall, like in the darkness, and just kind of standing over there, and you don't like you don't see her until she fucking comes out. And it's like the only scary, um, people say it's supposed to be a scary movie, but it's not a scary movie, it's more of like a very weird intense cycle thriller, but like the only scary scene in the movie where she just fucking pops out of the shadows and it goes back into the shadows all creepy like, and it's like don't let niggas get in that bag. Because you say, We in you we in your rooms, my nigga.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:49

We already dark, bro. You know what I mean? Like, we already have the advantage. It's why you're afraid of us at night. I get it. We have camo. It's like playing uh Manhunt when I was a kid. You played Manhunt? Is that uh the game? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Uh my friends used to joke when we were playing at night, they'd be like, you should just take your clothes off. And I'd be like, Y'all, that's not, it's not it's it's twenty it's 2009, you can't say that.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:19

Man, man. I um I my mind went a little dark. Like, do you think Nolan Wells was playing the game of Manhunt back that went bad? Who? Did you never you didn't hear the Nolan Wells story?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:33

No, it was Nolan Wells.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:35

Uh Nolan Wells is a young man. He went out, I think it was in Mississippi, they were on the river or something. He went out with some friends, um blown black guy and a group of white white friends, and didn't come back home. He went out on the in the on the water, went missing, somehow his phone made back, and um nobody contacted his family until way later after the fact. And then all the people involved deleted the social media accounts. One of the kids involved, their parent is a law is a judge or some shit like that. And so it's like it's just a bad, it's just a bad look for white people. It's it's another reason why. Yeah, it uh not just happened, but pretty recently, pretty recently. Um, but uh the story's been going viral. He's um this is another lone black person in a group of white people story. Like, we're with like another reason why we shouldn't be in our circumstances. But my joke was like, did he was he playing manhunt and they just went wrong? Oh. And they just couldn't make it.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:28

Yeah, I mean, now that you've explained it, it's funny, but it also took the wind out of it. But it is funny. Like, damn, that nigga, I guess we're gonna have to head home. Let's all delete our Facebooks. I can't can't handle the embarrassment of losing manhunt. Let's I must tell my father.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:49

It's so bad, man. It's so bad. But um, you wanna go out on that? I feel like that's a bad thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:54

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