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Blueface to Pusha T: Ranking the 100 Most Streamed Rappers w/ Xaii Kuu | 100–60
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It's our mfin superbowl chat. In part one of this two part epic Xaii and I comb through a list of the 100 most streamed rappers and put them all into tiers. We fight, we laugh, talking about hiphop is kinda all we like doing tbh. I mean sure raising our kids is nice. Oh speaking of kids this one ends kinda abruptly bc of mine so sorry ab that but make no mistake we will be back to finish next week. Please leave a review of the show it helps a lot. Thanks love you.
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SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's crap, fucking relay.
SPEAKER_01How about you? I got baby girl over here, so she's sleeping. So chilling.
SPEAKER_02I took August to get his hair braided earlier today. I was like the worst. Man, his mom normally braids his hair. And you know, his mom is a white lady from Alaska, and she's in Norway right now, uh, you know, seeing the motherland and shit. Um, so I had to take her to the lady who twisted does my hair, who is this lady from the Congo, and she twisted his hair so hard that he was just like screaming, and I was just like holding him down, like literally like subduing him with my full strength so he could do his hair. And I was just like so because he was like scared, and I was like worried he was gonna like be scarred and like not like me anymore. It was gonna be some like therapy shit, but then uh he ended up like later being like, Oh, I really like my hair, and I was like, Yeah, I was like, I'm sorry I hurt so much. And he's like, It's okay, and I like almost started crying because I was like, that shit. I've just like never I've never seen him that angry or like sad, and I've never like had to just be like nah, you have to do it though.
SPEAKER_01He's never he's never beating the the coddling, he's never beating the needing to be coddled by white women allegations ever. I don't care.
SPEAKER_02Same, honestly. Unfortunately, same. Oh man, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. But otherwise, it's been good. We're taking off to uh Norway on Tuesday. So when I get back, I'll have, I'm sure, a lot of thoughts about Europe. Niggas ain't been out there before. It'll be I'm excited. I'm excited. But uh that sounds dope.
SPEAKER_01How long are you gonna be out there for?
SPEAKER_02We're gonna be in Norway for like a four, three or three, three, four days, and we're gonna be in Spain for like five days.
SPEAKER_01Already, already.
SPEAKER_02Just to visit or just to visit. Kelly was doing like uh what's it called? Study abroad type stuff out there. Um, so she's done with that. Well, she'll be done with that when we get out there. So then we're just gonna be hanging out. That's dope.
SPEAKER_01That's dope.
SPEAKER_02That sounds like amazing experience.
SPEAKER_01I hope you have a blast.
SPEAKER_02Thanks, Brody. Um, yeah, I'm excited. I feel like I don't know. I I just have no expectation of Europe, you know what I mean? I feel like just walking around there is like that's what I'm looking forward to most. Like, I love my family and shit, but I'm like, damn, there's gonna be nights where I just like you know, I'm like, all right, because someone has to stay with August, you know what I mean? Like, all right, Kelly, you stay with August. I'm just like walk around Barcelona for like Friday night and be safe. Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. No, I'm happy. I'm not at a different point in my life. I'm not uh outside anymore. If I was outside, you nigga, I might not make it back from Spain, to be honest with you. But yeah, I'm at a I'm at a level of maturity where I think I can handle that. Nah, dig it, I'll dig it.
SPEAKER_01Um you definitely gotta get some picks. You know what I'm saying? I want to see some clips. I wanna I'm gonna call you and be like, where the where the where the Barcelona bunnies at, you know what I mean? Where the water bunnies.
SPEAKER_02That's what we're staying away from. We're staying away from the bunnies. It's gonna be some nice architecture, some churches, some uh that's so funny to me.
SPEAKER_01Like, like that she's like she's in school for architecture, and like granted, you know, they have the cathedrals and all that, but like I feel like that's like the last thing people think of when they think of going abroad, you know what I mean? Or maybe maybe, maybe not.
SPEAKER_02It depends it depends on who I think like a 40-year-old white person would be like, oh, the architecture. I don't know. I don't know. What do you think about when you think about Spain or Europe in general? Fashion.
SPEAKER_01First thing I think of is fashion. Um fashion and then music. Wondering, like, you know, like is it like what the urban vibe is gonna feel like? And like, you know, is it is it gonna be like what are those cities like? And like is it is their downtown, like our downtown, and stuff like that. Just you know, just the what's the difference between capitalism and then I mean every they have capitalism too, but like what's their difference of their version and our version?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's I've I'm interested to see that as well. Like Barcelona, from what I understand, is like a big party city too. So I'm like interested to just walk around like the clubs and shit and just see what kind of music is like hot in like you know, in Spain, you know what I mean? Like, are they have rubbers out there?
SPEAKER_01It'd be crazy if you walk in and they're playing rubbers though, because it like it has, you know, it's uh essentially a UK song with the actor and everything. And so like you go in, uh you're going, you said Norway Norway is English?
SPEAKER_02They speak English. I I the at Scandinavian.
SPEAKER_01But the court that Norwegian is its own nationality, right? It's not an ethnicity, it's a nationality.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so but uh imagine you walk in and they're just playing rubbers at the top, and it's just it's a it's technically UK drill, you know, like yeah, I is like Spain, I like don't have an expectation of, but I took like Spanish and like growing up and stuff. So like I have like you know, an idea of the culture and like you know what I mean, but like Norway, I I have no frame of reference, I have no touch points of like, oh, that one Norwegian thing I like. I can you know what I mean? It's like they have a soccer player that's dope. That's that's that's it.
SPEAKER_01I wonder what like like how much American culture you're gonna see over there, you know what I mean? Like what it's going to be like, or rather what their like version of it is, or like you know what I mean, like what they have, not necessarily appropriated, but like what like when you see post Malone being played over there, type of shit. I mean, like what is what are you going to see when you go over there? Because it's all Western society, but um, it's not American, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02And so it's not under and Kelly was telling me because she was hanging out, there was like some Swedish people in her program, and they were telling her that they had never heard of mac and cheese before, and they had never had mac and cheese before. And I was like, I I guess that just seems like something that should be everywhere, but I can't I'm sure they have some sort of starch and cheese based dish that's kind of like an essential, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_01They eat beans on toast, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_02That's the UK. Norway is so UK is like eastern or not eastern, western as northwest. And I guess Norway it's not like East as in terms of like I mean Scandinavia is much more east than the UK. So it's not the same thing, is all I'm saying. This is like these are like the Viking whites, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01So if I go over there and I start talking about beans and toast, they're gonna get offended.
SPEAKER_02I think, I mean, even if you go to the UK and talk about beans and toast uh in the in the manner you or I would speak of it, I think they'd be offended. But yeah, I think from what I understand, Norway is more like like tinned fish, like fish in a can type people. Yeah, it's not much better. It's horizontal, but that's their delicacy.
SPEAKER_01I wonder what like I've always been curious about like, you know, like you were saying, like they don't know what mac and cheese is. Like I would I've always been curious about like what is their like staple dish, not just Norway, but like, or just your Europe as a continent, but like what is like a like a universal staple dish out there, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02Like I'm I'm gonna find out. I'm gonna eat it as many times as I can. You definitely gotta go split. Unless it's beans on toast.
SPEAKER_01I'll eat the beans on toast one time. You gotta try, you gotta try it once. You gotta see what it's about. You gotta see what it's about.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so we'll see. Uh so hopefully we'll maybe this will be long enough that I'll just split it into two, because I don't know if we're gonna be able to do. I worry that we'll be able to do all of this in one episode.
SPEAKER_01Oh no, we're not. If we're doing all but a hundred, we're not, because the list is crazy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and there's gonna be so welcome to the Krim World Podcast, episode like 45 or something. I am Krim Brule, one of your hosts.
SPEAKER_01Zai Ku, what's going on? Uh coming live to you from Dallas, Texas. So um I'm gonna I'm working on the logistics of like getting the software that I need to do mine. I'm gonna have you, I'm finna start my own too. I'm gonna have you on mine. I'm gonna call it good faith.
SPEAKER_02Okay. And so I will my whole my premise is it's I my premise is I invite you on and give you the most inflammatory uh uh statement possible, but tell you that it's in good faith. So you have to the the conceit says in good faith. No matter what I say, no matter what I say, it's in good faith. You know that you can't you can't be mad at me. If I say black people uh are the same as uh the white people during the Jim Crow era, what are you what are you two? Why are we bringing that back?
SPEAKER_00I thought we left it in faith, it's good faith.
SPEAKER_01I thought we left it in the past. I have learned my lesson. I have learned the great device.
SPEAKER_02No, I really I fuck with it. I get it. That's smart, that's smart. That's thinking that's 40 chess with every guest that comes on because they're like, what this nigga just say to me? And you and you're just like, you just point at the logo.
SPEAKER_01Oh man, I thought we left it in the past. I thought I was I learned my lesson. I definitely, I definitely got flamed. And so I'm I'm like, all right, all right, I'm backing off that conversation. But I do still stand by the what I was getting, the nuanced sentiment that I was trying to get at.
SPEAKER_02Not sorry, keep going, keep going.
SPEAKER_01I do still stand by the nuance sentiment that I was trying to get at, not the inflammatory statement, which I genuinely, genuinely did not think through.
SPEAKER_02I was like, uh, people know what I mean, but no. For if you haven't listened to the previous episode, we're not gonna rehash it because as I said, we already have uh quite the insurmountable task ahead of us for this one episode. This will be I don't know why this wasn't the first one we did. You know what I mean? This is I had this idea, and I'm like, this is honestly the easiest, not like easy and like uh this is the least amount of mental prep we need to do for episode that kind of has a structure. We're just going 100 most stream rappers on Spotify or putting them into tiers. If you're not familiar with the tier system, uh it starts with S for some reason. I don't know why, I've never looked into it. We're gonna go to S A B Supremacy. S for Supremacy. S A B C D F and then two more special tiers. One tier will be called no thanks. Um just I I I only saw one artist that I know will fit onto this, and it's just gonna be uh I just don't want the discourse at all. You know who I'm putting on there. There'll just be a no thanks, and then there will be one we haven't heard them. Um we're gonna try and talk about everyone. Uh you have any anything you want to say before we get into this, uh I'm sorry to all the Eminem fans.
SPEAKER_01If yeah, I'm sure there's a number of y'all out there who because I'm positive, but I'm just preempting with I'm sorry, but no, thank you.
SPEAKER_02See, there will be see, we're not gonna we're gonna Okay. Okay. There will be maybe. Honestly, that's uh we'll get to Eminem. I'm not against the no thanks for Eminem, because we'll see. But there will be like maybe not gamesmanship, but just keeping in mind that because there's two of us, we're not gonna agree on everyone, so we're gonna have to be like, I'll think one is A, Zio think they're C, or just will the difference and go B. Because of that, there's a couple artists I think both of us know we're big fans of. Um, and I have already told myself I'm going not because I don't like any of these artists, but because I know how Zy feels about them. There's some artists I'm just gonna go F4 just because I can't handle Absol in the S tier. And I have to and I have to bring the average down. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Not to spoil it. Honestly, I don't even know if he's most 100 streamed artist, to be honest. He is, he's on there, he's on there.
SPEAKER_01He's like literally at the bottom, but he's on there.
SPEAKER_02Okay, well, we'll get to him when we get to him, but just keep just keep that in mind. We're dicking the average of both of ours. Um any any last words before we before we do this? Uh no, I think that's uh yeah. You want to start at 100 and work our way down?
SPEAKER_01Um Yeah, we can well you want to mean number one or work go go down from number one or go from like from 100. Okay. So at one so this list has 103. I don't know who AX AXE proc are. It seemed like it's a group. I don't know who they are.
SPEAKER_02I don't know what that is. Um, so they're gonna have to get AXE proc, you're gonna be in haven't heard. I put a haven't heard on, so we don't have to disrespect anyone and just be like, this guy sucks. Um okay, and then I I assume you haven't heard Sick World either? Nah, okay. Never heard of that one. Okay, so the first one we'll get to, wow, wow. Will be Abso. Okay, I didn't I didn't plan for this. Okay.
SPEAKER_01So Abso immediately Abso immediately goes into S tier for me. We're gonna just yeah, have 60 seconds, give the pitch. So lyrics S, storytelling S, wordplay S, aesthetic B, swag C, um overall artistry, I'd have to give an A. Because I feel like he there's definitely his beat selection isn't as um versatile as I would like it to be. Because he definitely has a sound, you know what I mean, which I feel like isn't like I like it, you know what I mean, but it's not for everybody. And I do feel like um there are many other artists on here who also have a particular sound, but they are it is much more palatable, and they like lean into that. Like I don't think that he tries to make music for the masses, like he doesn't care that he doesn't care that he's not top like you know, mainstream tier or whatever, you know what I mean? So he doesn't ever try to like fit into that vein. Um, but I just think for like he's a rapper's rapper, you know what I mean? Like that's why I put him at an S. But uh I think that he doesn't he maybe his catalog could be deeper, but also that's what I was gonna say.
SPEAKER_02That's the interesting thing we actually have to figure out before we do this because Absol is an interesting case, and whereas like as just a rapper as a figure, I think he probably is. I'll say top half of this tier, but catalog is where I'm like, I like some of the Absol records, but I don't know if he has a catalog to be in an A tier, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_01So I think um I mean I can't really argue with that because I feel like he has a lot of underground, like so before streaming was what it is now, you know what I mean? Like that's when like I was an Abyssal fan, we were still downloading mixtapes off a lot of mixtapes, you know what I mean? Like, and that's where like a bulk of his catalog exists for me. And um, but a lot of that a lot of that music hasn't translated over to streaming. I don't know if he's uploaded all the the one-off singles, the underground singles that he had, which are where some of his best verses live. Um, like Nibiru isn't on any streaming, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02Or like um if you get into the apps, I don't know any of the absolute.
SPEAKER_01I'm just gonna believe you that they aren't on streaming. But uh yeah, uh Nibiru isn't on any streaming, which is one of his I love that fucking song. Um uh he raps about the Anunnaki, bro. It's like about the Anunnaki.
SPEAKER_02It's like when you're when you're a young hotep in the Yeah, I was gonna say he is one of the few consciously I'm a conspiracy theorist rappers.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, you know, and so but a lot of that music um just isn't on streaming. So as far as his catalog goes, I think that does knock him down, but I just can't take him out of S tier because I love Absol. Like he's the best on TD, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02And so it's like I mean not for sure, but I yeah, I feel like you're not gonna be able to do Zy, you can't spend this much time on 101. You know what I mean? That's all I'm gonna say. If we spent five minutes on 101, we'll be here until next week. I can offer you a B tier on Absol. I'll take it. I'll take it. Okay, I'll take it.
SPEAKER_01But what's so what's so sad is that he's 101, and I'm like, ah, no way. Like the disrespect, like if you're gonna put him on the list at all, 101 is crazy.
SPEAKER_02I mean, 101 is just his streaming numbers. This is not a ranking.
SPEAKER_01But the dude above him has less streams.
SPEAKER_02I think it's monthly listeners, which isn't necessarily yeah. We're just gonna say also, we're just we just found I just found a list. It's the best list I could find. It's top 100 rappers based by monthly listens. As I said to Zai before this, I think there's some inaccuracies because for example, I didn't see Lotto on this list, and there's a lot of niggas on this like absolutely there's no way Absol is outselling Lotto, respectfully.
SPEAKER_01Um there's to me, there's no way that famous dicks is 95.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Don't spoil, don't spoil uh the list. But yeah, no, you're right. So Absol, we're gonna go B tier. The next is someone named Natch. I assume you haven't heard Natch. Um, yeah, whoever these next the next two accrual I I'm not even gonna keep trying to say that. Um, some other group, and then we have the ASAP mob at 98, which is like, what does this even mean at this point? You know that's I thought I'm like, do they mean the entire squad? Like, I think it's just they have two albums out. They have Cozy Tapes 1 and Cozy Tapes 2, which are really cool albums. Yeah. But they're also like, you know, rock like as much as the rest of ASAP stuff is mob stuff is, it's like Rocky is obviously like the lead figure. Okay, so I this one's like a weird one to place. I mean, in their prime, like in their prime, I would say A. In their prime because it's hard, because it's like in their prime, it's like, yeah, and Rocky and Ferg and Nass Prime, but is that fair? Just like put I mean, it's this is a weird one. We could put you're comfortable putting them above Absol?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because because of their prime, like they would definitely had um they like cozy tapes is fire, bro.
SPEAKER_02Like no, cozy tapes are sick. Cozy tapes, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And so it's like it's like also I feel like a lot of these, like, a lot of these people on this list are hanging on from their prime. You know what I mean? So it's like we have to grade them based on their prime.
SPEAKER_02That's a good point. If we grade everyone on the now scale, honestly, 90% of these niggas we're gonna say, like fell off. Uh yeah, that's just the nature of it. So yeah, I'll say at their prime, Ace Hat Mob is an A. Yeah. Cause yeah, I I can that's cool. Uh number 97, we have Ace Hood. I didn't, I couldn't, I I couldn't.
SPEAKER_01I I tried my hardest, and it's like what was his song? Was it like Hustle? I'm so hood. Um So Hood.
SPEAKER_02Um he had another, he had a single that was just like him. That was um it was good though. It was good.
SPEAKER_01I remember Ace Hood could rap. So like he's he's another one of those you're a rapper's rapper, you know what I mean? So it's like, but I feel like he where he failed is that he came in with too big of a cosign and didn't live up to it. Because remember, he was Khaled's first artist for sure.
SPEAKER_02And so he was on that like first wave of Khaled hits, I think. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01He was on everything Khaled put out, and so um, but he was because he was Khaled's first artist, you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_02So I mean he kind of he also is Bugatti future in Ace Hood. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's the scene you're talking about. That's you remember how crazy Bugatti was when Bugatti came out? Oh my god. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00I woke up and that new Bugatti.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I'm talking myself into Ace Hood being a little higher.
SPEAKER_01Nah, I feel like we definitely he has to stay at either he can't be above B.
SPEAKER_02You you said above B? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm saying D for Ace Hood.
SPEAKER_01I feel like if we're going prime, we gotta give him at least C. At least C. I can give you C for prime for Ace.
SPEAKER_02At least C. Has anyone thought about Ace Hood? I would I wonder when the last time Ace. I think he had go for it.
SPEAKER_01I think he had like a viral moment of like a crash out or some shit on the city. Oh no.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there's gonna be a couple of those on here too.
SPEAKER_01I think he had like um he had the post-Khaled crash out where like when Khaled kind of stopped fucking with him and he did the um the bitter, the bitter forgotten artist crash out, where it's like I you wouldn't be what you wouldn't have the like your hits. Um, you know, I'm on all your hits. Like you don't have any hits without me. And it's like, I think it's the other way around, bro.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say T Pain could say that. You know, T Pain could be like Khaled, you wouldn't have, because like what I'm so hood and uh oh, I do is win. Was that is that Khaled?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, all I do is win, yeah. Helen could be. What else was Ace Hood on besides um I'm so hood?
SPEAKER_02I mean, I feel like there was like 30 niggas on All I Do Is Win. So I want to say um we got time. Yeah, this this is gonna be a three party. Let me see. Ace. Ace is almost 40. Of course he is. He was popping like the 2000s, like early 2000s. Yeah, this is fair. This is fair. Let me see.
SPEAKER_01So he has Hustle Hard. That was it. Yeah. Um He got We Oucha with Lil Wayne. Rod. Yeah. We Outra came out in the same year that uh Bugatti came out. Um and then he got Bite to Body with Chris Brown and then Hustle Hard with uh Rick Ross on there and Rod. I don't I don't I don't remember any of these songs besides uh Hustle Hard.
SPEAKER_02When's the most recent thing he put out?
SPEAKER_01Uh shit, let me see. I can go to Apple Music for that one because I'm sure he got some shit that's recent. I'm sure he's still doing his thing. Maybe he put out a song this year. He put out a song what's today? He put out a song yesterday. Okay. Well he put out the side. It's called Clap For Yourself.
SPEAKER_02Everyone go run that new Ace Hood one time in the Big 26. Let's let's see Ace Hood stream spike because of us, because of our large amount of listeners.
SPEAKER_01That's crazy. That's crazy that he he's still putting out tracks. And I don't know, man. I don't want to don't want to hate on the hood man, but it's like we didn't really, nobody really asked you for that, bro.
SPEAKER_02You gotta move into crypto or something at this point, bro. Do you think the hood coin would take off? What would take off? The hood coin. Hood coin, uh, that sounds like the CIA, if I ever heard of it. Don't give the CIA ideas, buddy. Um, all right, number 96. We're going from acehood to kids see ghosts. I mean, if we're just going, I mean, the one project is perfect.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Like, what are we gonna grade them up for? Because I love that album.
SPEAKER_02Like so, we could just do S for that and not really think too hard about it. That album is immaculate. Yeah, um, not the last time we'll see Kanye and Cuddy. It probably that's probably the highest cut you'll get, but we won't spoil that part of the conversation. Uh number 95, uh famous decks. So are we if we're doing promo. If we're doing peak, if we're doing peak, I'm right there with you. If we're going peak, I could go ah you can you go A? I don't know if I could go A. I wanted to say I could go A. Like I loved Japan. I love Pick It Up. Um, Pick It Up was so hard. Yeah, but that's two songs.
SPEAKER_01You know what I mean? I feel like I can give him A just for the like the the iconic the the image. His image was I iconic at his peak, like the fucking little piece of slob that he always has, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02So it's like it was iconic, but it was also like with respect to him and me, he was just like one of like 30 niggas at that time that looked like that. Like it was like him, Uzi, Rich the Kid, whoever like Cardi all had like a very similar and like the infinite niggas trying to get on like them. What happened though? Do you think? With Rich with Dex, it seemed like um, and I'd never got too far into this. It seemed like he had some like drug slash mental health stuff going on. Oh yeah, I'm not fully tapped in.
SPEAKER_01I mean, that's what happened.
SPEAKER_02I just asked like music. Like, I don't think so. I'm cool. I don't think we could go A. I think just because there's again, you're putting him above Ab Sol.
SPEAKER_01So, but again, so like we're talking peak. Well, so with with this, the reason why I'm okay with certain artists being above Ab Sol is because I know I'm the Ab Sol lover, you know what I mean? So it's like to acknowledge the culture, I I can I can do decks at B. B plus.
SPEAKER_02I'm just trying to be mindful of the fact that like here's how I see it mentally in my head, there's gonna be S tiers, right? And the S tiers I'm imagining Drake, Hove, etc., Kanye, etc. We're gonna have A tiers, Tyler the Creator, Uzi, Cardi, etc. Then we're gonna have B tiers, and I don't know if Dex is like right below that, if that makes sense. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01I mean, I I don't want to do C because I feel like that's like undermining his peak. Because he we gotta, bro, he had for think about it. So like we were saying like there was like it was 30 of them niggas, you know what I mean? But we remember Dex. You know what I mean? Like there was a lot of decks.
SPEAKER_02We also remember Yachty, and we also remember Kodak. Yachty's still relevant, for sure, for sure. Um, but I'm okay. So either from that school of thought, it's like, would you put him on the same level as Yachty? Nah, nah. No, but would you put Yachty on the same level as Cardi? Peak or now? Either. I feel like Yachty's Peak is nowhere near Cardi's Peak. You don't think so? Near, like Cardi's Peak is like, you know, stadiums full of kids. Like I forget that white people love Cardi.
SPEAKER_01I forget that white people love Cardi.
SPEAKER_02So I'm just trying to be mindful of the fact that there's a lot of levels to this. And I don't know if Dex is like on that like Yachty level, which I consider like the third tier. So yeah, we can do C. We can do C. Okay. We can do C. I love I love how much uh we had to put it there. Oh my god. I'm trying to be mindful of the outcomes of okay. Ah, this is so fun. Cause 94, if we're just going peaks, we're gonna have to keep coming back to this. 94 is Bobby Schmerda. I'm gonna say, here's the thing. So for this peaks argument we're gonna have, because we're gonna keep running into this, I'm comfortable with being like, okay, some of these people have super duper high peaks, but I still need like an album for me to feel like your peak is as you know what I mean. If you have one hot song and that's your peak, it's not the same as someone who had one hot album, you know what I mean? And I feel like so for like a schmirda, it's like it's easily be. That's easily easily be. Easily be. Okay.
SPEAKER_01What were you what were you gonna say? I was gonna go C2, because I feel like I feel like we had too many white people throwing up hats. We had too many people, too many white people doing a spurter dance, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02So it's like like so I feel like Yeah, and you get Rico, that's clearly you gotta have some that's an amount of emotion.
SPEAKER_01I feel like when you have when we do peaks, we have to account like fan base into the peak, you know what I mean? Like, not just like I give I'm right there with you when it's like I need more than just the one hot song. But if the hot song takes over the nation, we do have to factor that in as well, you know what I mean? Because like at some point, some people have a hot album that they don't even last as long as the guy with the one hot song, you know what I mean? So it's like um uh I I can give him B. I don't I I would want to, I can understand C, but I I'd give him B.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm cool with B. Um, just because we can't go tooth and nail for every single one of these. You know, I'm not about to be uh arguing for 20 minutes about Bobby Schmerd and the big 26. Uh 93, Earth Gang. This is an interesting one. Um Easily A? I feel like easily A. I feel like Easily A. Just because they're so good.
SPEAKER_01They're so good.
SPEAKER_02I just uh give me your hang up. Give me your hang up. My hang up is like I don't know if niggas really know about Earth Gang though. Do you think? I think I mean they're they're right below YB in the mirror. You know what I mean? That's all I'm saying. I can't really argue. I can't really argue. Like, I do I quality wise, I'm from Atlanta. I've been on Earth, I was on Earth Gang like mad early. Um, because they were coming up like my peak internet hip hop fan era. So I've been on Earth Gang early from Atlanta, huge fan of them. A lot of their their album with uh Spillage Village with all the like J80 and all of them, awesome, their solo stuff awesome. I feel like B, it feels fine. Okay, I'm gonna be it. Because I don't want to do the you have to be popular thing, but I also feel like if we're gonna do like all their music's better than like hot nigga, you know what I mean? But also hot nigga got infinitely more popular than any all the music combined, so it's like it has to there has to be some sort of balance for that.
SPEAKER_01This is valid. This is valid. So next one up is YB and Namir.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I I like the song, but I could go like I could go like C or D for YB and Namir.
SPEAKER_01I honestly so I feel like this is the one time where we can maybe that maybe that's not fair because I've been arguing for Peak. I feel like Namir is the is one of the few peak doesn't matter like exceptions because like after his peak, what happened? You know what I mean? Literally never heard of him again. You know what I mean? And so it's like turn into YB and Cordae.
SPEAKER_02I would I would definitely go, I feel like I loved um it's a great song, rubbing off the paint. Yeah, yeah. I do. It's really funny that him and Tay K are back to back too. Uh because it's kind of the same. Should we just put them in the same for whatever they are? Or do you think there's a difference between YB and Namir and Tay K? I think um Tay K obviously has like the story and all that to go along with it, but they were they feel like equally hot songs to me. And also the kind of the same song.
SPEAKER_01I feel like so. Um being from Texas, I gotta put Take above Namir, so wherever Namir is, Take is the tier above. Okay.
SPEAKER_02So then we should put Namir D. So because I don't know if Take should be B. Yeah, we can do that. We can do that. Y B.
SPEAKER_01And can you read out the next one? Um, so his uh so the next one, 91 is Take K, which we've decided is is uh C. And then um the one after that is Sagopa Kajmer, a guy from Turkey, an old white guy from Turkey. Yeah, I don't know that. Have to go to the never heard tier, and then we got Brockhampton. I was never really I'd never caught the Brock Hampton wave.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I I'm like fine about Brockhampton. I I like some of their songs, I like their story a lot, but I don't know. I don't really know where to put it in.
SPEAKER_01I live nothing about Brockhampton. All I know is that they were the first, like, they were the first gay artist or gay group or whatever.
SPEAKER_02That's like all I know. Which is such a funny thing because not all of them are gay. Um, so have you do you know about Kevin Abstract? Have you heard that name? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I was in the I think he might even be from Texas, honestly. Um, I was into Kevin Abstract before Brock Hampton came out, and this was a classic situation of being like, damn, I like to solo shit better. Um, so I was kind of mixed on Brock Hampton because it was like, imagine if like I mean, he I'm not putting him on the same level, but if like Frank Goshen joined a band and then the band was like less good than Frank Goshen. I was like, well, so um, but I did I was outside for that, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. They had some cool stuff.
SPEAKER_01I I uh uh C because they were hot at their peak. Yeah, I I would get I can acknowledge I can acknowledge C knowing that I did it. Only reason why I know of them is because they were so hot and like everybody was like talking about them and they were on um all the blogs. What was what was the blog? What was it louder or loud? Uh maybe. I don't know. There was a is it loader? It was it was some some hip-hop blog that they were just constantly on, like constantly on. And so um everybody I just I knew everybody was talking about. I literally never went out of my way to listen to the music, though. I've never heard a song. There was nothing that they've ever done. I was like, oh, I like that, or I'm gonna throw that on the playlist or whatever, you know what I mean. And so um I can I can do C.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they were interesting, but just not really our cup of tea. Uh 88 Dreamville, which is this is also an interesting one because I mean, do they have more than one album out? Is the one Dreamville album? I think they have a couple. They have because they have the stick on the two.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, they got Revenge of the Revenge of the Dreamers is Dreamville. That's not Meek Mill, right?
SPEAKER_02Honestly, now that you've said that, I don't know. Now that you've muddied the water with Meek Mill, it could be either. But that sounds it sounds like Revenge of the Dreamers. And I know they had another mixtape after that, I'm pretty sure. Because Revenge of the Dreamers had the one um with the the song with the baby on it that was hot. Yeah, I believe. So I would what would you say?
SPEAKER_01I'm glad you decided.
SPEAKER_02I mean, as a collection of artists, I never listened to that album that crazy. Um, as a collection of artists, like probably A or B, but I don't really know the them as like Dreamville very well. You know what I mean? Like, obviously, J.I.D. loot, J. Cole, like great rappers. Um, I mean, I'm cool with C for Dreamville, honestly. Um, I mean, I think Earth Gang is Dreamville too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they're signed to Dreamville. Yeah, so I feel like signing to Dreamville, like being signed to Dreamville when he backed out of the beef, like has had to hurt.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they were in the group chat, the separate non-J. Cole group chat, like guys. Are we all are we leaving? Our coach just said we're all pussy. I don't really our coach just said none of us wanted to fight the other team. So um, yeah, I don't know. Uh number 87, Vince Staples. I could go as high as A for Vince Staples.
SPEAKER_01I was like, he has to go A. Like, I don't even think that's like a that's not even that's not even like difficult, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like if you if you've been following hip-hop and you've been with Vince since the early uh onsets of Odd Future, you could argue S. You know what I mean? Like you can make an argument for S, but um where he is now, definitely A.
SPEAKER_02Definitely have you listened to the new the project you put out this year.
SPEAKER_01I listened to the first five tracks. I haven't finished it yet, but uh yeah, I listened to it once.
SPEAKER_02It was cool. I'm not I don't plan on coming back to it because I something about rappers.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I guess it's like historically rappers making rock albums is kind of like I think that yeah, I think that when the way Vince does it or is doing it feels so much different than the way Wayne did it because it almost feels it feels authentic.
SPEAKER_02I'm I'm not questioning it doesn't feel like a marketing trying to get white sales thing at all. It feels authentic, and uh he's been interviewed about it ad nauseum, and it seems like it's very like you know, reclaiming black art for the sake of like I was gonna say CTO's revolutionary stuff, yeah. So like I'm I'm behind the message of it, it's just you know, kind of you know, like it ain't it ain't banger on banger, you know what I mean? Well, uh and I don't come to Vince for banger on banger, so that's why I like he has really great songs like uh I listen to like Lift Me Up and Jump Off the Roof and shit like that, uh Blue Suede on my workout playlist all the time. But my favorite Vince is a self-titled uh tape he has um with Kenny that he did with Kenny Beats. I really like Ramona Parks broke my heart. I just it's not that I don't like the banger. I just think he's like a cool, like, you know, I just don't come from like the middle other type of raps, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Not like his best body of work is his most unlistened to body of work because it's not on anything and it's stolen youth. The EP he did with Mac Miller, that shit is from start to finish, immaculate. If you haven't heard it, is that on SoundCloud?
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna have to go find that.
SPEAKER_01Uh it should be, it must be on SoundCloud, but it's immaculate. Like when I say from start to finish, it is like Vince at his peak. Wordplay messaging, it's peak. And then the production by Mac is that's what Mac was doing. He had the big house and he was producing everybody's songs.
SPEAKER_02He was very fisherman.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. It's peak, it's peak. And then above him, we have at 86, we got Corda.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I could go D for Cordae, honestly.
SPEAKER_01Man, I I was thinking the same thing, but he's so good, and it hurts to say that.
SPEAKER_02He has all the characteristics of honestly, like a Vince Staples. Like, there's no reason he's not like talent ability-wise, he clearly is a good rapper, he has a good voice. I just I just never care for his music.
SPEAKER_01I feel like I feel like him joining with YBN was literally the worst decision he could have made for his career. Because like he did it, he joined when like we were still mocking them. Like if he had allowed, if he had allowed um Namir to fall off and Almighty J to leave, like he ended up doing, and then he came in to kind of like revitalize YBN and like bring it back to like some sense of like actual relevance, he would have a different platform. But because he came with like when you most people don't know of his YBN era, but that's where he started, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02I I don't know any other YBN lore, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and so he um he came out of nowhere, you know, YBN the mirror and YBN Almighty J. They were the young goofy niggas and the the young GTA rappers as they were called. And then he came in and he was actually rapping. Like he was actually, like he wasn't trying to do the did my little this motherfucker just park. Um he came in and he wasn't goddamn, he wasn't trying to do um do the same thing that they were doing, you know what I mean? Like he was trying to be authentic, like he was trying to really, really do, like really rap, you know what I mean, like really do real hip-hop, um, which I feel like it's problematic to say to a certain degree, but he's a good rapper. But because he came in with the YBN like uh map moniker on, it just did it, it didn't go anywhere. Cause like we don't we don't care how good you rap.
SPEAKER_02I don't see but you're saying that, and I'm not even up on all this YBN lore, and it's still just like uh just receiving him as a rapper without any of the like the other notions or anything behind him is just uninteresting. Is like uh a l he's like uh the J. Cole of J. Cole's. Does that make sense? He's like J. Cole for J. Cole. It's like, yeah, if you watered down J. Cole even more, you'd have this, which is like, yeah, you appear to be a good rapper. I just you're talking, and I'm just like, whatever, dog.
SPEAKER_01He could've, I feel like had he come in under J. Cole though, we would be totally having a different conversation. Probably, honestly, probably. This is all the time we just spent on Cordane. So then above him, we got J-Rock.
SPEAKER_02J-Rock?
SPEAKER_01I could go, I could go B for J-Rock. Yeah, I was just gonna say, I can go B for J-Rock.
SPEAKER_02Okay, cool. I love one where we we're just in agreement. Um, I mean, I guess we've been for most of these so far. Jonah Lucas, I'm cool going no thanks for this one.
SPEAKER_01Thank you. That's that's what I was gonna say.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna be like, I personally don't really want to do that, so we can just do no thanks. That's this is what the no thanks category was like we're not we're not doing rage bait, we're not doing any of it. Moving on to designer. Loki, we could also do no thanks.
SPEAKER_01No, I feel like we gotta do it.
SPEAKER_02I know, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Um given the circumstances, where are you putting designer?
SPEAKER_02Uh I could go, I could go C. Yeah, I was gonna say I can go top of C tier. Top, okay. I mean, I love you.
SPEAKER_01You know I love designer.
SPEAKER_02Like yeah, yeah, for sure. And he had more than just one hot song. Like he had one hot song, but also, I mean Timmy Turner and uh L, you know, C feels right. C feels yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um then we got Blueface, which this could this be the first F? Uh yeah, but I'm gonna expose I'm gonna expose myself and say hi. No, I actually when he came out, I did like Blueface when he first came out. Like I was smooth, like I was definitely rapper some blue face. I was I was fucking with him. But um, I can I can I can accept that F. Because he is an F tier rapper. Like, I can accept F.
SPEAKER_02F tier rapper, F tier person.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I just wanna say, like, adding the fact that he's an F-tier person, he can definitely we can definitely do some F tier.
SPEAKER_02Um Well, welcome. We we've now every tier has someone in it now, so thank you, Blue Face.
SPEAKER_01Um above him we have Young and May.
SPEAKER_02Young and Ma feels like C too, right?
SPEAKER_01Yes C possibly B if we're talking peak.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Was there an more than ooh?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. She had um she had Pettiwop. Um Petti Wop.
SPEAKER_02Uh Big Um These are songs that had motion as well, not just songs. Yeah, okay. They have songs that had motion.
SPEAKER_01Um Big is her other big track. Um, and then uh in for all intents and purposes, she makes great albums. Like you listen, yeah. I've listened to all her albums.
SPEAKER_02She makes Zai hasn't listened to any album ever, but somehow has listened to every young MA album.
SPEAKER_01She makes she makes great albums, like her story is really, really good.
SPEAKER_02Um we can go beef for young MA. I'm not gonna sit here and I've been beef with young MA. She has to be at bottom of the B though. Okay, bottom of the B. Yeah, bottom of the B. I love that you've you've now created a Hierarchy within the tiers that because Abso's in B.
SPEAKER_01So I have to maintain my boy's placement in B.
SPEAKER_02Earlier it was okay. We're we're moving on. Uh number 80, Ski Mask, the slump god.
SPEAKER_01We can only go peak. We can only go peak here. But even for Peak. I'm giving him a C. I was never really into him.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I was gonna say even Peak wasn't even that much of a even respect. Even Peak was being next to X. You know what I mean? Um, so yeah, we can go see. No disrespect. I still listen to um what's that one? The song he has the juice world a lot. Um number 79, Shaq West.
SPEAKER_01I could go B for Shaq West, honestly. I feel like I'm right there with you because of his features. I do love Mo Bamboa and I do love his feature on Jack Boys and um the couple Don Tolerant features that he has. But I feel like as a person, we gotta drop him down the seat.
SPEAKER_02I mean, we're not doing if we're talking about all these people as people, we have to rejigger the whole. Because we already put designer on here, bro. Respectfully. That's not it. That's right. So that's not to say we don't care, it's just that's the whole different taking that out, then he can go be. He can go. Okay. Yeah, I was gonna say, Sheck West, I don't know what happened to Sheck West. I mean, he tweeted about it. I guess he shelved.
SPEAKER_01Well, he didn't really get he didn't really get shelved. He um he had his controversy, and then he got it he had his controversy. He beat on he beat on his girlfriend.
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01I forgot.
SPEAKER_02And so he had the controversy and then um Damn. Okay, so y'all, I didn't know that when I was like check questions. That's what I was saying as a person. I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_01I didn't know that. But uh yeah, he had the domestic violence uh case, and then um he was signed, he signed the Travis, and then right after his domestic violence, Travis had Astro World. So like he didn't get shelved, but then like everything around him kind of was like in flames for a minute, and then it Mo Bamba didn't sustain him through that. And so it's like he he he still makes music, you know what I mean? And so like I I think he just I think he just put out a mixtape this year. Um but I I know like nobody's gonna go look for it because it's like I we got you on Jack Boys, like we don't really need you alone, you know.
SPEAKER_02See, I'll if he puts out a new project, if he did, I would check for it. The the one album, Mud Boy, his solo one, again, all the domestic stuff, keeping that in mind, we'll get to Cardi. Um but uh yeah, I thought Mud Boy was solid. I like most all of his features, like you said, and Mo Bamba. Like as a peak alone, like we can talk about like hotness of a song, but in terms of like a song that's still you'd hear the first note of it outside, and people are like niggas are immediately.
SPEAKER_01I got I feel like too, in the space of a hit song, he came with like um a vibe on the song that is like gonna forever be relevant because like everybody's gonna have hoes calling motherfucking phone, you know what I mean? So it's like that's never gonna not be something you want to say, or like that's not gonna feel cool as fuck to say.
SPEAKER_02And so it's like it's so funny because that nigga Mo Bamba was ass in the NBA. Like it's like I guess I don't even know because if you don't know sports, I can't make another sports comparison. But it's just like, yeah, think of any athlete that your team drafted that did not work. Now imagine there was a hit song about them. Was he drafted to the Hawks? No, he I don't remember where he was from. He went to Texas, I'm 90% sure. Um, but yeah, he ended up. I don't even think he's still in the league. So shout out to shout out to Mo Bamba. Um, next one, this should be interesting to see where you would have a Minay. Because we have a Minay.
SPEAKER_0178 is a Mine. Um, I want to do B because whenever I hear a Mine, I like a Minay, but I don't look for a Mine. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02So exactly how I feel about it. And like no disrespect. It's just I never seek it out, but every time it's on, I'm like, oh, this nigga can rap movie.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, it's kind of good again. But um, so yeah, I can go B for a Mean A. Um that feels fair. Um for 77, we have C Can from Mexico. We have to go to the haven't listened to album. If they're not from America, guys, we probably haven't listened to them, and just like just gonna make that caveat.
SPEAKER_02Man, this we're about to get into a real interesting stretch. So also executive decision, we're only going to 50 tonight because it's okay, yeah. Um uh so just so just letting everybody know the 76th most streamed rapper on Spotify, it's NWA. Number 75, Lil Pump. Lil Pump.
SPEAKER_01Just just just I feel like for NWA, like they have to be A, but they kind of have to be A tier.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna what I'm gonna come in here and be like, nah, bro, young MA is clearing NWA. Like, no, I don't obviously, I don't think obviously, but like I'm not listening to NWA, but like we're respecters of hip hop, and it's like it's NWA that and is like my intro to Gangster Rap.
SPEAKER_01Like, like, like there was a time when I They were the world's intro to gangster rap. Facts. But when I was um how old was I then? I think I was 12. Yeah, because Lupe had just dropped the cool. And so I was listening, like the cool was the other half of my my catalog, and then I would go to the library out of Commerce, Texas, where my grandma lived. I was living with her at the time out of commerce in the small country town in in Texas, and I would go to the library, and then when I would go to the library, I would just listen to nothing but old school rap. And so I had initially found because it was Grand Theft Auto San Andres, where they had um uh what's that fucking song that Dr. Dre has?
SPEAKER_02Um Dr. Dre has a lot of songs, brother. Um explosive?
SPEAKER_01No, it's uh it's still an old school song.
SPEAKER_02Um Dre. Uh that's my Dr. Dre song knowledge.
SPEAKER_01Ah, it's uh, but whatever the case, yeah. He had a song that was like literally I play it on repeat like all the time on San Andreas. Like, you know, you could like you could you figure out how to wreck the radio, you could replay the song. I replay that bitch like all the time. Like that was like my song on Grattavato. And then I had played it for I was rapping it, and some old guy told me about uh his beef with uh Easy E. And I had I didn't know nothing about it. And so he told me about how Easy E had like slaughtered him, and like how Dr. Dre, like that was like because I was saying like Dr. Dre is probably my young 12-year-old self didn't know anything but like Dr. Dre is probably one of the hottest old school rappers to to be.
SPEAKER_02And the dude was like, Yeah, that's that's you don't know what you're talking about.
SPEAKER_01And so um he was like, he's like, You have you ever heard of Eazy E? And I was like, I threw the game, yeah. You know what I mean? Like I but I never listened to him. And he's like, Yeah, you go you should go check out Easy E. And then I heard real motherfucking G's, which is to this day one of the best diss tracks. Like, we think that Drake and Kendrick diss and dissing Easy Ease or Dr. Drake's beef with NWA, that's brutal. Like, there is um that real motherfucking G's track. I love that track. The beats crazy. Um, but I heard that, and so then I went, I started going through the NWA catalog, and I was like, these motherfuckers low-key cooking. They and they they got some great music, like all three of or four of them can rap. Um and so yeah, I'll put them at A for that alone.
SPEAKER_02For sure. Um thank you for making the argument because no one else was gonna but yeah, nah, they definitely are pioneers, as we all should know.
SPEAKER_01If you listen to hip hop, they're pioneers of the culture.
SPEAKER_02Um, yeah, I think it's interesting that they're on here, not because I don't think they're popular, it's just like clearly this is like skewed to younger people because younger people are on streaming, and that's why you know we haven't seen that many older rap. Like, this is the first classic old school rappers we've seen on here. So I guess it just goes, even though they're below Lil Pump on here, it goes to show how much motion they have. Yeah. The fact that like no one who all the people that bought their albums and all that stuff are just listening to the albums, you know what I mean? Streaming them, and they're still so um respecting NWA. We're sorry, Lil Pump, we're gonna have to go into Lil Pump now. Um He has to go F.
SPEAKER_01Like it like it. So that's my gaze. What is your just unlike your honest, unbiased, just gaze? Like what were you were?
SPEAKER_02We don't have to like nothing's unbiased here, you know what I mean? Uh if if we're gonna talk about Peaks, the the Gucci gang, uh D-Rose. D Ros, yeah, that it happened. It happened. It happened. I was a hater. I I I'm proud, not proud to say, a thing I've done in my life is go to a little pump concert in New York before. Um, so was it fire though? It was I I was at an interesting time in my life. I was at a I was at a crossroads of sorts. Um, so uh I could go D, but F, I don't want to just go F because everyone thinks, you know what I mean? I want to have like a little bit of respect for the fact that he did have a moment. Yeah, we can we can do D. We can do D. If no one else will argue for Lil Pump, I will argue for Lil Pump. And obviously, leaving off uh the MAGA shit, like understanding we've discussed it, we're not doing, we're just talking about music here for the most part. Um, Isaiah Rashad at number 74. Finally, another chance to me to ask Have you listened to the new Isaiah Rashad album?
SPEAKER_01I'm sorry to say, people, but I have not. And I don't know what it is, but like I've lost the Isaiah appeal. I feel like I lost that Isaiah.
SPEAKER_02When earlier you said you've listened to every young MA record. That's right. Okay, so just keep going.
SPEAKER_01I've lost uh I lost the uh the uh Isaiah appeal after he signed the TDE. And I don't know, so my listen to the other records though. Um well yeah, I did listen to The House is Burning Um and Sons Tyrade, but I only I only listened to the Sons Tyra because niggas wouldn't shut up about it. And so it's like and also this was his first entry into TDE, right? So like you have everything, Maryland we were talking about before, everything on the Sylvia demo comes from his earlier.
SPEAKER_02Are you but are you doing the I'm too much of a Isaiah Richard hipster hipster to really fuck with the new shit? Is that the card you're pulling? No, no, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_01His old stuff was better, but it was, and so like it was something about it was something about like he felt when I first heard him, his it was a mixtape called Welcome to the Game. And uh it he just sounded hungry, like he sounded like he sounded very unique and like he was really, really trying to carve his own lane. And then Sylvia Demo came out and he put out like three tracks on there that are unique to Sylvia Demo. I think Soliloquy is the one, there's another one that's on there that's like unique to Sylvia Demo. Which Soliloquy, that's a hard verse, like but I say that to say after that it felt like he tried to do the TDE thing when he did the Sun's tirade, like he tried to fit their image or whatever.
SPEAKER_02Like do artistry in addition to music, like have like a theme and like you know I guess we could say that, but it just didn't hit.
SPEAKER_01Like it there, there's so many, like, I don't know, man. Like every time.
SPEAKER_02You still don't think the Sun's tirade hits?
SPEAKER_01It's uh it's good. It's definitely not like it's not one of my favorite. Like, it's not I don't it doesn't have much replay value to me. Like, I don't go back and listen to it. Like, there's maybe like four or five tracks on there. I can't even honestly, I'm not exaggerating with that. Like, but like there is one track on there where he like is like legit just mumbling the entire track, and I don't really like everybody loves it. And I'm like, what is this nigga? I don't want to be that guy, but like, what is this nigga saying? What is he talking about? Like, I don't, I can't get in with this shit. And so it's like, what is this? But um, yeah, I have it listened to the new album. I would still give him A tier, though. I would still give him A tier.
SPEAKER_02You uh I you know we've done all these podcasts, I've known you for all these years. You're still a mystery to me. You're still I still don't really understand how you work fully mentally. I get it. I don't think that I don't get it. Yeah, yeah, I don't get it. I I like the new Isaiah Rashad record. Is it really good? It's it's not my favorite of all of his records. Um what's your favorite though? The favorite is probably Sylvia demo, because Sylvia demo just like the newness of him. Because he was fucking hungry. Heavenly Father. I don't know if he's beat Heavenly Father in terms of like that's still probably my favorite Isaiah song. Yeah, West Savannah. Uh there's just yeah, I think that album still feels the most like uh I guess I have like the most nostalgia to that album, so it's hard to beat. I think The Sun's Tire is probably like his best. And I think The House is Burning is like um a really interesting departure from his traditional sound. And I think this one is more uh what's it called? Uh it's been awful. You know, it was really interesting. This one was like maybe not honestly, probably the one since Sylvie or since the son's tired I've anticipated the most because if people don't know, Isaiah Rashad had like a really, really horrific thing happen to him in between the past two albums where he basically someone online basically posted a video of him having sexual relations with another guy. He wasn't openly he wasn't open at the out at that point, rather. Um so just like seeing an artist go through that, you know, obviously not from like a like a I don't even know. It sounds kind of shitty to say like, oh, I really gotta check out this next art, see what they say, not from like a, you know, I yeah, it's just I'm interested. Not you know, yeah, it feels kind of shitty. Yeah, yeah, it feels shitty to be like something bad happened. Now I'm really interested, but like that's that's like that's the game.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, you you want to see the bounce back. Uh the house is burning is the one that has came out busting on it, right? Yeah. All right. So I can I that's probably like I want to say next is like I would go welcome to the game, Sylvia demo, then the house is burning, and then the sun's tired, and then I'm gonna listen to this last one and see where I place it. I'm gonna I'm gonna listen to it after this. I'm gonna listen to it after this.
SPEAKER_02But we'll see. We'll fucking see, bro.
SPEAKER_01And so then next we have takeoff.
SPEAKER_02Next we have takeoff. No way I'm going lower than A for Takeoff. I know it. I was like respectfully. We could have a lot of conversations about it, but take off going A.
SPEAKER_01You think he's the best rapper in the Migos?
SPEAKER_02Uh, I think they all do things differently. I think Takeoff is the most um lyrically innovative and lyrically dense rapper. I think like the Migos flow, not I think the Migos flow originated with Takeoff. That's why I say he has the most creative flows. He pushes the boundaries. Anytime they would come in on a song where they're all like going really fast, like really spitting, you could tell it was Takeoff, who they're like, who's like setting the pace. Uh uh uh Offset has the best flows, offset could, you know, rap in any way. I think make it sound good, and Quavo uh has the best, you know, melodies, pop component knows how to make a catchy phrase type thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think definitely Quavo is the weakest. I think Quavo's the weakest. There's um a mixtape that they had. I think it's uh yeah. Um it was when they were doing their YRN run. When they were doing the Y R N.
SPEAKER_02Was it uh Rich Nigga Timeline? Um across the country with the first track. You knew exactly what I was about to say. Takeoff comes off. He was like, Yeah. Yeah, I know exactly what song you were thinking of, too, because that's that's the one I think of when I'm like, that nigga really starts the album by just being like, You guys want to hear me go say a million words in 30 seconds?
SPEAKER_01Bro, but like when I heard that shit, I was like, How are we not talking about this nigga? I I one, I don't, I'm not gonna butcher it, but if you've never heard it, go listen to across the country because the way Takeoff comes in on that track sets the pace for the mixtape. Like it sets the entire energy for the tape. And so when I heard that, I was like, this is why haven't I heard anybody else say yet that he's the best rapper in the Migos? Because he's clearly the best rapper in the Migos. Like this is an exhibit A and there is no exhibit B. You know what I mean? Like, and so but uh definitely I can go, I can definitely go A. Low key, I feel like out of respect for what the Amigos done, I could go bottom of S only because of like what the Migos have done.
SPEAKER_02I could go for the Migos, I could for takeoff. I gotta stick with A. Yeah, let's just stick with A. I can go with that. T Grizzly. This one I could go. You could you uh I have I have no feeling, I have no strong feeling, I guess is what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_01I almost want to go no thanks, but I can't because he Why would you go?
SPEAKER_02Why would you go no thanks? Because I just don't listen to T Grizzly.
SPEAKER_01He's just he just doesn't like do any. I know the song, you know the song, yeah, but um he just doesn't do anything for me. And so like like even when he came out, like he had the uh it's just really like the story behind the song that would make him that made it blow up to me anyway. It's a good song. I'm not gonna act like it's not a good song, but like since that he hasn't done anything for me where I'm like, oh yeah, T Grizzly.
SPEAKER_02I honestly can't say I've ever heard another T Grizzly song.
SPEAKER_01And so um, I honestly if we're gonna do it, I wanna do D.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I could do that because he is let's he's why being Namir adjacent.
SPEAKER_01He really is though, and it's kind of sad to say because like I feel like being considering how low YBN Namir sets the bar, like being adjacent to him is almost disrespectful. Like almost, you know, he sets the bar really low.
SPEAKER_02I I I believe you. I swear I have I've never taken in one second of YBN Namir content outside of the song Rupping Off the Paint. So I have I have no idea to the lengths of his antics.
SPEAKER_01I listened to the because like they put out the YBN mixtape when I was in my mixtape consumption phase and I was listening. Like, if you you dropping music, I was listening to you, you know what I mean? And so I listened to the YBN mixtape, but it's so funny. The people who have the best songs on that mixtape are Almighty J and Credet. Like Namir is like easily forgettable on that tape, besides rubbing off the paint, because rubbing off the paint is on that tape, so it's like besides forgettable on that tape. Um he sets the bar so low. I would honestly put like I put Almighty J. Craday is Credit's easily the best rapper, then it's Almighty J, and then it's Namir.
SPEAKER_02Like, I can't even say I've ever heard an Almighty J song. I will honestly Almighty Justin.
SPEAKER_01Send me one.
SPEAKER_02Send me a send me a why it'd be an Almighty J song. I got you, I got you. Um quick aside, we can do more than 30 seconds on this. Do you remember Montana of 300?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that nigga was hard. If he was on this list peak wise, I would probably be like, that nigga should be A or B. Anyway. Um you thought. Next up is push a T. Okay. Push a T. Gotta be A, right?
SPEAKER_01Ooh, I was gonna go S. Okay.
SPEAKER_02I could go S. I'm not opposed to S. I think if Clips is on here too, so would you say, do you think there needs that's what I'm thinking of. If Clips is on here too, I would put Clips S. And I don't think he his music is on the same level of clips' music.
SPEAKER_01Nah, yeah, he's definitely if clips is on here and they're S. Clips is on here, they're S. And then if they if they're not on here, he's S. You know what I mean? But like if if they're on here, he's A.
SPEAKER_02So let's just put him in A for now. And if we don't see clips, uh, we'll put him in. Because I think that is right. He has to be S tier somehow. Umy. I mean, we gotta put him as high as ASAP mob, right? Higher. Yeah. Oh, you're gonna go with S. I think we go Young Money.
SPEAKER_01That's what I'm saying, bro. We gotta we gotta drop ASAP down to B. That's what I was saying when you put him on A.
SPEAKER_02I was like, that's why I said there's levels for this. We gotta do we gotta drop ASAP mob down to B then. That's great with me. We put him right below Absol, uh, out of respect to you.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely B tier because he's not allowed in S tier because he so like he's top of B tier.
SPEAKER_02All right, so you wanna put young money in A tier?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, young money in t.
SPEAKER_02Okay, I'm cool with that. Um did they have more than just the one tape though?
SPEAKER_01Mm-mm. I don't think so. I think it's got the I think I got young money the album.
SPEAKER_02So we're putting so we're putting them A just based off mostly bedrock.
SPEAKER_01That's valid. But I feel like no, we have to put them in A tier because of what they represent and then what they did individually.
SPEAKER_02I mean if we're doing I don't know if we can do the individual thing because that would be a I feel like we kind of have to with Young Money. It's just it's like honest individual, they're at like what you think like Wayne, Drake, Nikki, like as a unit. That's obviously S.
SPEAKER_01That's what I was gonna say, too. Cause I'm like, what do we have? We got Lil Twist, we got Lil Chucky, we got gutta gutta.
SPEAKER_02You start at the top for sure.
SPEAKER_01We got gutta gutta, we got um J Mills.
SPEAKER_02Um Wow. Can anyone name more members of Young Money than Zai just did all the top more non-uh marquee members of Young Money?
SPEAKER_01Um who else is on there? I know we got Kid Kid. I love Kid Kid. Um I was a Young Money fan, okay? I was a Young Money fan.
SPEAKER_02There is a uh thing that happens in sports podcasts where they'll fall into the category of uh uh this thing called Name and Dudes, where they'll just be like, Hey, you remember the 2002 uh Celtics and they'll start talking about players? This is a music version of Name and Dudes just being like gutta gutta, kidding, man, or kid kid. I love kid kid. Like just being like, Y'all remember Eudonis Haslum for the heat? Oh man, that dude used to be on the boards. Um we could put him in A, and I don't yeah, we don't have to.
SPEAKER_01I don't know who I don't even know how to say this. I don't want to be yeah, we don't know the numbers. Russia Ray Shiya.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and you you're just gonna keep trying, huh? Um so number 68, we have fabulous. If we're going peak, we gotta go like B, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, if we're gonna peak, we gotta go B.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I think older niggas than us would probably say A, but I'm not older niggas. I'm not older niggas, so I'm gonna go B. I also number 67 is Young Nudie. I would also go B for Young Nudie, personally.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I can give it that. I can give it that. What so what is that song that he has with um that that went crazy that uh uh uh uh uh Peaches and Eggplants? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What does he have besides that?
SPEAKER_02Have you listened to that tape?
SPEAKER_01Have you listened to any nudie tapes? Uh the first one. The first one he first personally.
SPEAKER_02The one with like the Chucky doll on it? Okay, yeah. So the one with Peaches and Eggplants on it, that was called Gumbo. I th it's not his most recent. He put out Paradise last year, I believe. I'm a I'm a pretty I I listen to a lot of nudie. Um like, you know, slaughtering forever. Um so the one that Gumbo's or the album that Peaches and Eggplants is on is called Gumbo. All the songs are food titles. I really enjoyed that. It's his second best project. His best project is called Slamir. It's him and his Pierre on all the beats. Uh, have you heard Extendo with Nudie and Uzi? I think so. I think so. Extendo. If you haven't heard Extendo, anyone should listen to Extendo by Young Nudie featuring Uzi. That is one of my favorite hip-hop songs, period, all time. My, in my opinion, the best uh Uzi feature ever, um, which is saying something because Uzi comes through on a lot of features. I've really got into multiple flows recently. Multiple flows is a great song. Multiple flows is fucking crazy, yo. Um, so and that's keeping that in mind. So nudie, I'm high on. Uh listen to Slamir if you haven't. Uh Have you heard multiple flows before I sent it to you? No, you just uh because that was on like the rebirth one. Yeah, yeah. It was on a Wayne album. I haven't listened to a Wayne Album in a while. The funeral album, yeah. The funeral album. Um, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So next up we have Kidd Ink at 66.
SPEAKER_02I have no thoughts about kidding.
SPEAKER_01I was gonna say, I don't wanna I don't want to go back to this era of my life, but I was I was a jerk boy. Like I did. A jerk boy. Yeah, is kidding like that early mustard era? So he is right after the new boys, but he's not the same vein of music, he's in the same aesthetic of music, if that makes sense. And so it's like he didn't sound like them, but he looked like them. Okay. And it was like it was like if the new boys and Chris Brown had a fusion.
SPEAKER_02That's what I thought. He has so he has a song with mustard, like his biggest song was mustard, right? I think so. I think so. That's my only form of reference. So what you want to put him in D?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was just gonna say I was gonna go D tier. Okay.
SPEAKER_02I and kid ink, I have no disrespect. I literally couldn't pick you out of a lineup or anything like that.
SPEAKER_01Um do you remember when niggas was cutting the razor, like doing the razor? Oh, that was it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that was it. Yeah, I remember considering it too. Do you remember considering it? You had to. Everyone considered it. We were like, I'm not the you know, the I have boobies bracelet, yeah, uh fucking Ray-Ban glasses without the fucking lenses, yeah, yeah. That's it. That was a wave. Niggas, niggas was so tacky in the 20s, early 2010s.
SPEAKER_01We were cooked, man. When you go back and look at a picture of that swag era, we were cooked.
SPEAKER_02All of it, all of it. And right after like the the hood by air era. Oh my god. We've yeah, we've healed I won't say we've healed, we've made progress, maybe. Um interesting one coming up next. 65, Joey badass. He has to be BC. I could get talked into either.
SPEAKER_01Ooh, I was gonna go A.
SPEAKER_02I don't know if I could go ahead. 1999? I like error? I liked all that. I I can't, I won't even say it. That's just it just was never my speed. I definitely, like I said, he was like I said earlier, I was online. Like I've been a hip-hop fan forever, but the era I was most online, like 1999, like it went when it was like him, the underachievers, the flatbush zombies. I remember that whole wave.
SPEAKER_01I just that's what I was hoping to see. I was I'm neither one of them are on this list, but I wasn't.
SPEAKER_02No way the underachievers are on with respect. Uh no way the underachievers are moving units in the went so fucking hard though. I never liked them either. I got into Flatbush Zombie. That's what I'm saying. Like, I I knew about all this. I just it just wasn't my speed. I liked Flatbush Zombies, kinda.
SPEAKER_01I loved Underachievers. I love Underachievers.
SPEAKER_02That's why I was like B or C.
SPEAKER_01I you might be. We can land B. Me, me land B.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no disrespect. His music's just never been my favorite, and he's kind of seems like a tryhard.
SPEAKER_01So 64 is logic. We're automatically doing no thanks. No thanks. Yeah, we're just automatically doing no thanks. That's not even a conversation. Um, 63 is Kevin Gates. Wow. Wow. What do we do here? I don't I'm pros. I'm pros.
SPEAKER_02Um I could I mean, I would hear an argument from A to D, honestly. I don't really know.
SPEAKER_01I feel like it has to be C. I feel like it has to be C Yeah. Only because same, I don't have any strong feelings for or against.
SPEAKER_02Um I feel, yeah, I guess C makes sense. C for references. Right now, C is Designer, Ace Hood, Famous Decks, TK, Brockhampton, Dreamville, Ski Mask, and Kevin Gates. Oh, yeah, Kevin Gates is easily a C. Okay. We got a couple more. Do you want me to read off the tiers as we have them before we do this last couple? Um, sure. Okay, so right now in S tier, we have Kids C Ghost, in A tier, we have Vin Staples, NWA, Isaiah Rashad, Take Off, Push a T, and Young Money question mark. Um, and B, we have Absol, ASAP Mob, Bobby Schmerder, Earth Gang, J-Rock, Young MA, Sheckwest, Amine, Fabulous, Young Nudie, Joey Badass, C tier, designer, Ace Hood, Famous Dex, TK, Brockhampton, Dreamville, Ski Mask, the Slum God, Kevin Gates, D tier, we have YB and Namir, uh, YB and Corday, Lil' Pump, T Grizzly, Kid Inc. F tier, we have Blueface, No Thanks Tier, Joiner Logic, and Lucas. All that sound right so far. Yeah, we're doing a great job. Um school boy.
SPEAKER_01Next up is yeah, I where where were you gonna go? Because I was gonna land A out of bias. I I think we gotta go A, right? I think School Boy I think the argument can be made for B, but my bias is saying A.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think his catalog again as long as we've been, yeah, he's got at least three albums that are really good. Um He's been around for a while, he's got hits.
SPEAKER_01His mixtapes are really, really good.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Habits and Contradictions, like setbacks is fucking fire. Yeah, so um Oh have I was saying the Kendrick's that's the Kendrick's album. I meant setbacks, yeah. So I'm no habits and contradictions is him. Oh, that's him too? Okay, yeah. That was the that was the one with hands on the wheel, right? Yeah, yeah, okay. Um, so yeah, schoolboy, that seems like an easy A. Mustard, uh, this is a producer, like he doesn't rap, does he? Is Mustard?
SPEAKER_01No, not that I've heard.
SPEAKER_02Let's just get mustard. I don't we don't need to do producers. Um 60 is ASAP Ferg. These next 10 are gonna be interesting. I'm already seeing. I'm excited. Um, ASAP Ferg. This feels B tier.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. I was gonna say even in Peaky's B tier.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I spiritually would love. Oh, hold on. Hold on a second. Okay. Uh we will be ending this one right now. I gotta put him back. Uh, we're at 60. Thank you for listening to the crime old podcast. I love you guys.
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SPEAKER_02Oh, we're we're taking him out of the video for sure. Okay. Uh huh. Um yeah. Love you, dog. I'll talk to you later.
SPEAKER_01Love you too. Have a good night.
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