Ep. 32: When You Stop Living Inside the Wound

This episode explores the shift that happens when your healing is no longer something you silently survive… but something you can speak about without collapsing inside of it.

Not because the story didn’t hurt.
Not because it didn’t shape you.

But because it no longer owns you.

This is the moment many women misunderstand in healing:
You don’t stop talking about the story because you’ve healed.

Sometimes…
you know you’re healing because you can finally talk about it.

Without shame.
Without defending it.
Without needing someone to rescue you from it.

The wound stops being the loop.
And becomes the lesson.

This episode can feel like:

• sitting on the couch with your best friend
• finally exhaling after years of carrying something
• realizing your story doesn’t make you “too much”
• understanding the difference between living inside the wound vs speaking from the scar

We hope after listening today these takeaways provide you a safe place to land with understanding that: 

Healing is not pretending the story never happened. Healing is not silence. Silence is suppression with better PR.

There’s a difference between reliving and reflecting – Repetition keeps you in the loop. Reflection creates meaning and distance. 

Integration is not erasure. Integration happens when the nervous system no longer treats the story like immediate danger. You do not need to erase your past to grow beyond it. 

The story becomes part of you without being the center of you.

Clinging to the wound is usually about not having built identity on the other side yet. 

Pain becomes medicine the moment your story helps someone else feel less alone.

Your story is allowed to evolve from identity → wisdom → connection

Follow along, tune in, and let’s get into your next mindset shift!

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She looks like she has it together.
But inside, she’s tired of being the strong one.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to the Low and Slow Podcast. We're your girls, Crystal and Lakin. If you press play today, trust. You made the right decision.

SPEAKER_01 0:09

And know whenever you're listening to this, it's exactly the right time. We invite you to pull up a seat to the conversation, get curious about your current perspective, and lean in for the opportunity to see yourself in another woman's story.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

We created that girl magic because we've been where you are.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

Here, the talk is real and the breath is steady. Let's get into your next mindset shift. You know, how at some point in your healing journey, like the story changes, like not necessarily the facts of what happened to you, but the way that you relate to it. And I think a lot of women think healing means that you just stop talking about it, right? Like, oh, I'm done with that. I've moved on. That if you've really like moved on from something, it just disappears and you never bring it up again and you never feel it again, and you're just, oh, I'm just done. But that's not healing, that's suppression. And today we're gonna talk about what actually happens when the story stops running you, right? Like what it looks like when you get to shift the pain from identity, right? Like I'm identifying as this, I'm wrapped up in this, to information. Like, what can I learn from this?

SPEAKER_02 1:29

Yes, T, T, T, T, T. And okay, before we even go there, I just want to say if you're listening to this today and you're somewhere in the middle of that shift, right? The in-between that we always talk about, where the story's still raw, right? And you're not sure what it's becoming yet. You're not sure what's coming out of this. I actually don't know what, if this is information or if I'm quite there yet. This episode is for you because you're not behind. You're right on time. You're meant to listen to this. I've had a client this week tell me, your episodes hit right on time. And I'm like, yes, they do. They're meant to find you when they're supposed to. And so um, we're really excited just to chat about this today because this is a specific phase in healing that I don't think we talk about enough, honestly. Um, this is, you know, we either want the healed version or we want the the version of us who never talks about it and just keeps it locked away. It's like we're we're operating on extremes here. And it's in this phase when you are talking about the thing, what but like while you're still inside it, that every single time the story comes up out of your mouth, your nervous system is learning to relive it. Right. And like think about when you keep telling a story over and over and over, right? Your heart rate's up, your chest is tight, um, you're bracing for impact. Your body is always listening. And right now, because it's hearing that story again, it thinks the threat's happening. When maybe that isn't the case.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

Yeah, that often gets misread because from the outside it it looks like you know, you're just stuck. Or we, you know, I think a lot of people see it as like seeking attention sometimes, like, oh, you know, I just wanna, I just wanna live in this negative space, or like I I want someone, and it may be like I want someone to acknowledge it, but it's not necessarily just attention seeking. It's like it's that survival still trying to process itself and the nervous system hasn't gotten the memo that that event is over yet. We've talked about that before, of like, you know, reacting in the space of what it was like in the moment of the initial trigger. And so it's not just being dramatic about it, like it's again, it's that safety strategy, and we just need to update that that software.

SPEAKER_02 3:46

Yeah. So here's what makes it hard sometimes, right? We judge ourselves for being in that phase, that phase that even got us to this current phase. Like, why can't I just get over this? Or why is this freaking still affecting me so much, right? Um, and this makes sense because your body doesn't just move on because your brain decided it should, and we're done with this. Like the body and the mind are in two separate pages here. So, this integration is a process, it's not just a decision. And welcome to the Low and Slow Podcast. Yes, that was a long, long-winded way, but we're we're happy you're here for the conversation. Guys, uh, this episode's so juicy because we hear this all the time with clients that we work with of like, why can't I just get over it? I'm, you know, my mind is telling me, right? I'm doing the mindset work. What's going on with the body, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:39

Yeah. Or often um we'll see a lot, like, there's a lot of resistance, right? Like, I don't want to go into that because it's gonna bring up the feelings that are associated with it. And I don't want to, I don't want to go back to that place. I've dealt with that. I don't want to, well, if it was, if it was dealt with, girl, then that shit wouldn't still be coming up. It's coming from somewhere, right? And it's coming from that deep, deep place that you stuffed it and you were hoped that you didn't have to ever look at it again, but it's not going anywhere when it's sitting in there. And that's where like we have to recognize that healing isn't silence. That is a myth. Healing does not mean that you just never talk about it again. Like we collectively decided that the sign that you've moved through something is that it becomes invisible for some reason. Like, oh, if it's just not present. And you that's usually uh comes with that territory of people pleasing or accommodating or you know, keeping the peace or holding everybody else's comfort, which comes at a cost. So if you don't mention it, or if if you don't feel it in public, or if you know you don't have it touching aspects of your current life, then it's it everything's fine. And if you do any of those things, then that means that you must not have done the work. But silence isn't healing, and it's often just suppression again, that's found a way to look really functional on the outside.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

Yep. It's that shit hiding in the closet, and then you open up the closet and you're shining the light in the dark corners, and that you're realizing that shit's still in there. Just because you close the doors doesn't mean it's not there, right? So we could think the room's clean, and then you open that up and a whole bunch of shit falls out. And this is where, right, for so many of us, like when we open the closet, that's maybe the first time we're speaking about the thing out loud, truly out loud to ourselves, to another person. Maybe we're writing it down for the first time. We've never written this out before, right? Because it's one thing to think these things, it's another thing to say these things, and it's another thing to say it to someone else, right? And have you have someone else witness you in that? That is when healing is beginning, when you are able to acknowledge it out loud and want to face it and not just hide it, right? Sometimes healing actually sounds like, hey, this happened to me, and I don't need to hide it anymore, right? This is where, like, that's this is why we have you read it out loud because it's it's let me use my words very intentionally here. It's taking uh it's being able to own that story without taking ownership maybe of the meaning that you've made of that story, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:19

So this is not allowing yourself to be witnessed in it.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

Right. This is not about re-traum uh re-traumatizing yourself. It's that it's allowing the story to actually move, to start to shift the emotion. Like your body, again, is listening and for the first time it's hearing, right? It's starting to feel safe enough to let this go. So that's why we have you say it out loud. That's why talking about it. And again, it's not just talking about it in circles and circles in the same victim hood or the same bullshit story, right? But it's just being able to notice what's happening in my body if this conversation is landing somewhere real, right? Landing somewhere from a place of where I can actually admit this, right? There's honesty, there's clarity. Um, you don't need to fix whatever it's saying, right, when you say it, but you can just notice it, right? And each time that you talk about it, right, it may look different. There's times where I've talked about something. It's like I have found myself being able to talk about really vulnerable moments in a way where I'm like, oh my God, I talked about it this time and I didn't cry. Oh my God, I talked about it this time, and I could just own what was true for me without having to relate to someone else about what they experienced. Like there's so many different times when the more that this happens, can we start to normalize that it doesn't need to look like this pretty bow once you've done with one or two sessions about it, you're done with it.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Yeah. That's where we get into the difference between repetition versus reflection. And this distinction can do a lot of work. There's a difference between repeating a story and reflecting on a story. And the difference is not necessarily how many times you tell the story. The repetition is gonna keep you in the same emotional loop, right? Like same activation, same identity, same conclusion that you got to originally. The reflection creates something new. And ideally, it's a little bit of distance from the story, and we can analyze the meaning that we're making of the story. What is the core belief that we pulled out of that story? And a different relationship to what happened at that time. So, you know, repetition is gonna sound like, why did this happen to me? And reflection sounds like this changed me. Here's what it may have cost me, but this is what I built out of it. This is how I alchemized it.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

Yeah, that word. How can we start to alchemize the stories that like the the reason this episode is called this for a reason, right? It is what happens when you start to move out of um just being the story that you're telling, right? And then um allowing the story that you're telling to be the thing that allows you to have information or have wisdom or or just be a part of your story, be a part in your journey, right? Where it doesn't have to be your entire journey, your entire identity, but it gets to be a part of that. And when you can reflect upon that, when you can start to feel it in your body, when you when you're in, when you're in this place where it's not just one versus the other, repetition can feel like sometimes being like pulled under the wave, right? Um like the story is owning you and eating you, right? Because it's you're you're stuck there, right? But your chest, your chest is closing, maybe um your throat tightens, your jaw is clenching, and you're back inside the moment that you're ultimately trying to escape, right? And you're reliving it, right? That's the repeat. Reflection is gonna be, is gonna feel different again, the feeling, because there's still, yeah, maybe there's still some weight to it. I don't want to take that off the table. Like there's a ton, ton of stories maybe that were very emotionally charged that have weight. The weight is not just gonna dissipate, um, but there's also some space in it to where you can, you've aired it out a little bit. Why? Because you've talked about it before, right? You can get some breath inside the story. You're not so clenched, you're not having that nervous system response where you're so clenched up about it to where when you have some space and clarity, this is where another perspective comes in. So you're getting to witness, this is what we talk about, move from participating in the story, believing it, um, you know, owning it as your identity, and then you're starting to observe the story, you're starting to witness yourself in it, you're starting to catch what's coming up in your body instead of just reliving it. And that's really the shift here. It's like you're shifting out of that wound and you're learning how to hold the wound, tend to the wound, see what you need, right? And when you allow your body to be a part of that conversation, this is when we we come back all the time with what we're feeling. What do we need? Because a lot of the times it's a lot of unmet needs when we're telling a story and we're looking for that need from someone else. But who's the one that needs to give ourselves what we need? We do.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Yeah. And the shift from reliving to witnessing is the nervous system work that allows you to stop reading that story as immediate danger. It's not just like a mindset hack, right? Like you can't have one without the other. We have to, we have to incorporate the mind and the body. And if your system starts treating it like history instead of a present tense threat, then that's something that we can learn from. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:53

I I want to be real about something for a second, because there's this space in this phase that I think almost every person who's done any kind of healing work can relate to, right? They've been here where you're quietly, constantly looking for someone else to confirm that what actually happened to you mattered, right? To validate what you're feeling, right? To um, this is where like sometimes trauma bonding comes in, right? To say, okay, you have that experience, and then I have this experience, and like we can bond in that, right? Um and even when I say that out loud, right? It's like it, that that's the sad part about it, is that we're really just wanting, like we want to ultimately confirm that what happened to us mattered. It did affect me, right? It's the hardest thing for somebody to say it did affect me afterwards because there's there's such a wound there. Um, but it's like you're allowed the fact that it happened could be bad enough in itself, but you're allowed to still be affected by it. It you're allowed to have the emotions come up about it. You're allowed to not have it be, oh, I healed from this thing and it I never have to open that door anymore. Like I it's a lot of times there's judgment that comes with that. I know because I've lived there for years. Like there is spaces where I've talked about certain stories where um I couldn't admit to myself that it actually affected me or that it mattered. And so, in seeking that in maybe telling the story or talking about it, right, until I got to admit that to myself, it's like, God, when when I told this story, I actually believed me that it happened. It didn't matter if someone else believed me, right? Um, I got to explain, you know, or see, okay, this happened and I am the way I am because of this, but then I can see what I can do with this. Like I started to move out of being the victim in the story. And then, like you said, alchemizing, well, what can I do with this story? And how can I start to listen to what my body needs so that I'm not seeking out this permission from other people to acknowledge and feel what I know my body's already feeling. And because it when you're feeling that, sometimes it's just it's hard to take a look at it, it's hard to sit with that discomfort. But like staying with yourself in that is like you really are the one that give you permission to once you admit and can be honest with yourself that hey, this is allowed to affect you, you can decide what you want to do with it too.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

And sometimes that phase can be pathologized as like a weakness. Yeah. But that's a specific kind of relational wound, right? When someone's pain was minimized or dismissed or explained away often repeatedly, then the nervous system learns to outsource that validation. Cause like, well, I can't trust myself with this information. I can't believe myself with what's what's happening, right? And it stops trusting its own signal. So then you're going to be programmed essentially to look outward because inward doesn't feel reliable anymore. I've I've rejected that intuition for long enough that it's like, nah, girl, you got it. Go find somebody else to believe your sad story, you know? And healing gets to change the source. So eventually you stop saying, you know, please understand why this hurt me, and you start being able to say, okay, this shaped me, and I can understand it for myself now. And the authority becomes something that starts to get re-centered internally as opposed to something that you're trying to outsource. Yeah. And when this goes into like when the when the story stops hijacking the room. Because another marker of this same shift is that we get to allow the story to stop taking over. You can talk about it without your entire nervous system activating anymore. Like we're not getting physical symptoms as a result of it anymore. Like you don't immediately go into the spiral, you don't lose the thread of your current conversation and you go into that like freeze response, right? Without needing to spend the next two days recovering from saying it out loud, like in regret of, oh, like I really wish I wouldn't have said that in your like in your head about it.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Yeah. Integrated. That's really the word, right? Like it's not erased, it's not forgotten, it's not looked over, right? It's not gotten over. Like it's actually integrated. It becomes the part of you without being the center of you. Like it becomes a part of your journey rather than laying out what your whole journey can look like. And that feels different in the body too, because you can actually hold the thing and still stay present. You don't like it's I think in storytelling, right? It's like being able to tell the story in a way that where if you're having that response from it, okay, that's there's some work to do there, right? But can you hold it in a way now where it's like, okay, I'm holding it and I'm actually so okay. I'm not having the nervous system response of freeze, fawn or flight. It's like, okay, we're still here, right? And um being able to talk about it sometimes is the hard thing that you can't until you start to do it, you can't see that you're their feet, your feet are still on the floor, you're still staying with yourself, right? You're, oh my God, I'm catching myself that I talked about that really hard thing and and I was actually okay, right? And oh God, I I stayed with myself here. Like I'm learning through the uncomfortable feelings what regulation. Um, that's that's what is actually most supportive. And it's actually what um what support is before that's actually what support is that allows um the pressure to be lifted a little bit, make even made possible that you can actually move through this and know that when you have these spikes that feel like, oh my God, like the trauma or I'm having a stress response, right? Like that I can come back down and regulate myself with that.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

Well, what happens when you're afraid to move past the story?

SPEAKER_02 19:17

Okay, so that's also something where that makes that shift complicated, right? Because it's not just hard because healing's hard, right? It's hard because sometimes we're if we're holding on to the wound, right? We're holding on to the wound because we don't actually know this is the realest part, like we don't actually know who we are without it. And sometimes this is like if we can just see it in this way of like, God, how much more compassion I would have for myself if I stopped trying to just keep moving on from it. And it's like the version of myself that has been that it's actually been serving myself in some way, shape, or form to stay attached to this story because that's what has kept me safe, right? That's who I know. And so it's like if I'm who who am I without this story? Yeah, it gets really like exciting, but when you're in it, it's like, oh fuck, okay, well, who am I without this? What happens if I stop being the person who just survived this thing and got to be just the person, right? Like the story attached to your identity, right? And the identity, even if it's a painful one, it feels like something to hold on to, it actually was serving you at some point because that was keeping you safe. So pain, right, became familiar. Um, and this is where a lot of people can relate because they relate through that pain. A page mama bonding. Pain became um maybe how people knew you, or how pay or how you came into certain communities, or how um it's like what what does your story look like without the main thing that you originally came in and identified as? Um and and that's the thought. It's like letting go of that. It can feel like disappearing, it can feel like hiding because it's like, gosh, I don't even I don't even actually know myself without this story. So now to allow other people to witness with witness me without this story is like, oof.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

We also see it all the time, right? It's a big marquee of um big, hugely influential people, right? Like, name one person who is a quote unquote guru for lack of a better word, or like a public figure that is professing a transformation or a change opportunity that doesn't have a big story that showcased the way that they overcame something really, really difficult and hard. And so that's gonna resonate with a lot of people of like, oh, I have to have like my thing that that defines me, right? But when the wound becomes load bearing, when the story is what connects you to people. Or explains your behavior or justifies who you are, that's where releasing it feels like a big structural risk. And what's interesting is like it's usually not about the past at all. It's about not having an identity on the other side of it yet. Like I haven't put enough energy and focus into who I am without that thing. And it's not to say that you, again, you can't use that as a part of what made you who you are or as a part of, you know, your origin story. But when the wound fills the space because nothing else has moved in, then there's there's an absence of something, there's an absence of substance. And there's more work that needs to be done in that, in that empty space.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

Yeah. And I think, you know, just even being able to acknowledge that of like, I mean, everyone has space where they can grow, right? It's like, are you giving yourself a bridge to even walk yourself to that space and get curious about it, right? And um, you know, I think it's important as we're talking about this, because we for our listeners, right? If anyone is sitting in that right now, know that you don't have to build the new identity before you've left the old one. Before you let the old one go. Like the new one doesn't have to be built, right? You can slowly be letting that go. I think I've just gotten to a point in my journey where I'm I'm actually okay with letting it go. And um, yeah, it feels scary as hell, but it's also like I the bridge that has gotten me there, it's like it's not, it's um, it's not an option to keep staying there. Like you will eventually get uncomfortable there, and you just have to be willing to be okay in the in-between for a minute. And I can think back vividly, even just a couple years ago, being so in the in-between and knowing that okay, I I like what when this is where I'm at right now, that's fine. But even getting to the other side, like I don't have to have it all figured out, right? I can still be in this and still be having shifts. I can um being where I'm at right now is not a failure. And, you know, I I get to get excited and curious about what's on the other side of this. And it doesn't have to be this, this done deal. I think the in between is um, like we've talked about in previous episodes, it's not talked and talked about enough because it's not the end product. It's not the end result, it's not why you signed up for the thing, right? Like that's what we're wanting up front. So I wanna I wanna pause here and ask you, like, for anyone listening, what story are you still surviving instead of witnessing yourself through? That's a very real statement I had to ask myself. And I didn't have an answer for a while, right? But um, when I did have an answer, it wasn't about fixing the answer that came up. It was just to name it. It was just to get some things on my radar of like where I was operating from, right? And this is where, like, when we talk about alchemizing, where pain can start to be the very medicine, right? And when that medicine can come from yourself, right? It's like, yes, ceremonies and things like that can get us there. Um, you know, psychedelics have helped get me there because I blocked that access to myself, right? But this is the piece where I love this. When you start to do this work internally, it's like, yes, we can use different modalities to help us, but ultimately, um, this is where this is something that we do. And it's because when these things come back up, we get to keep meeting ourselves different. And we've been talking about um this shift that happens here. And it is a personal shift. This is not something that's gonna just come externally. This is something internally on your time in whatever space you feel safe enough to do. Um, and there's a moment where this thing becomes something else where you realize, like, oh, that thing I went through, it's actually I'm someone else is in the middle of that. And hear like your voice is a thing that actually may help someone breathe a little bit easier, right? Because you can you can talk about it. And that's something that I mean, when you're in it, you can't see that this could benefit anyone else but yourself. But it's like when you can own it, it's like this is where it starts to begin to become something else, because like the pain doesn't just have to be your pain, like it can be medicine to someone else by you, by you being able to alchemize your pain. And that is why, you know, when women share their stories, and I'm not saying share your deepest, darkest secret on Instagram or Facebook, right? But start sharing them publicly, not for the attention, but because it's it stopped being personal to them and it started being about, God, I'm doing myself such a disservice if I keep sitting on this. Like I I can do something with this. I've moved myself through this. Now, if I I'm doing so many other people a disservice that if they can find even like a glimpse of hope or um, you know, comfort or just ultimately seeing that vulnerability is is is a strength there, that you can own this and that this doesn't have to define you, God, that's the medicine.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

It's also about like shifting away from the the fear, you know, and the shame. Like, can I come to a place of authenticity? And when I can show up in that way where something that historically I held a lot of shame around, and I can allow myself to be witnessed in that. We've talked about this before in like I think when we did our retreat episode. It's like that's where genuine, like deep connection happens.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

I'm like, don't choke on your, don't choke on your roots here. And it's gonna change how that story sits with you because it's no longer just a wound that you carry. It can become a tool that has a function, right? It can create connection instead of costing you connection where it it was historically. Like if I have shame around something, it's gonna cost me the type of connection that I want, as opposed to something that can be a conduit for it. And your story, again, it's a it's a signal, and it can be a signal to someone or permission slip to someone who really needs it at that time. Yeah, yeah. So homework time.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

Always feel like every episode of like homework time, make it.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

So ideally, what I'd like you to walk out of this episode with is that healing is not the absence of the story, right? It's when the story can loosen that grip on your nervous system and when you can hold it without it holding you. So if you're still in that reliving phase of like, I can, you know, I can't go there, it's gonna trigger all this emotional response. Like that, that's okay. That's just shows that you could use some support. And if you're in between, it's not a place that you necessarily will stay stuck in. Just take your time with yourself because that's a part of the integrating process. And if you're on the other side, you know, start looking back because that's not it's not it's a good thing to look back. You can reflect on it. It's like it's not going backwards. There's a lot of wisdom there that can be really useful in that.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

Right, right. What happens when the story starts becoming a good thing to tell, right? Like when you can start to, I mean, fuck, I built we built a whole business out of it. Like that is it's special. It's special, and it's that's where when you can look back, like that's the ownership. That's where it becomes. Um, you're not taking your story personal anymore, but it is your personal story, like your personal testimony, which I think is really cool to see. And I will can definitely admit it's like that's not something I always saw when in in the in-between of it, or it's not something that you always see in the forefront. But when you can look back or can you can start to um catch yourself that you're handling it differently or handling it a little better than last time or whatever, like that's that's the stuff that needs acknowledgement. So if that one person is you that's listening, if you're resonating with anything that we're saying and you're somewhere in the middle of this process, um wondering, like, goddamn, when the fuck will I feel like myself again? Right. Um, I just want you to know you're not behind. You're not behind. And, you know, the story is not the destination, it's just the road, the road that leads you to this next version of yourself. And every version of yourself has gotten you here, right? And wherever you are in that spectrum is exactly where you're supposed to be. Um, can we not shame any any space of where we are in the journey? Because it is a journey. Um and yeah, we're we're here for we're here with you in the journey. That's that's the main, that's the main piece that I think when we, you know, yes, we have a podcast, yes, we do this for a living, and we are also women too. And we we own that we've gone through this and we're able to now alchemize that and help other women with it. But this is something that everyone navigates in their own way.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

Yeah. And if you're feeling stuck in that reliving phase or you feel like you're caught in that repetition loop, then reach out. Get the support that you need.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Yeah. A lot of times it is nine times out of ten support. I know that it definitely was that for me for sure. Yeah. So, um, as always, guys, we have really, really thinked. Look, Spotify, I went on there the other day. Shout out to one of my clients. She has been leaving, leaving comments and um what is it on Spotify? Um, I think it's like you could, it's not really like Apple where you can like rate it. I think it's like direct comments, but YouTube, like the subscribers, we only have like 30 subscribers on there, which is so good because that number was so low before. So you're you're obviously making it to the end of the episode. And we see we see you out here.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

We appreciate you.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

We appreciate you. And um, anything else for them? Like, we are so wait, I have something else. Um, we are so so excited. Like, May is first of all, May is flying the hell by, right? Um and we have our retreat coming up, and we have one freaking spot left. And we're so so excited to be in Costa Rica with these women. And if you're listening to this and you've been receiving some emails that are tugging at something in you, it's worth the conversation. It is 100%. It's worth the conversation. Um, like, share, subscribe, do all the things that we normally say at the end, and we're happy that you listen to another episode today. And we will see you next week.

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See you next time.

SPEAKER_02 33:05

Bye.