Lets talk about masculine and feminine energy within?

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We are living in a time of huge change and conflict, humanity has a choice to make x

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SPEAKER_00 0:04

Hello, hello, and welcome to the Yellow Jacket. We're back after a little break. So I'm here with my gorgeous co-host Sorinda. Hello, Angel. How are you doing? Um, hello V and hello everyone. Uh yeah, um I'm back.

SPEAKER_01 0:20

I'm back. I've come up rare and I think I'm gonna stay up.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Yeah, so we took a little break, and thank you for the messages that we received. People asking where are you gone, what you're doing. Sorinda, um, why was why do you think you needed to take a break?

SPEAKER_01 0:37

Um I actually I just want to say thank you to everyone uh for the messages. That was really, really lovely actually to to hear that you know people were you know getting something out of this and missing it and you know looking forward to the next episode. Yeah, I needed to take a break because um I think well there were there were lots of things. Um well how should I put it? There were lots of things that were sort of buried that needed to come up for me to look at. Um some of it, some of them, probably most of them a bit dark, but um yeah, I needed to take some space and just just look at patterns, basically, you know, things that we've discussed in most of the podcasts, actually. In fact, in fact, all of the podcasts, if I listened back, I could have done my own therapy. Um, you know, narcissistic behaviours and things, um uh traits and you know, within even myself actually, because we all you know we touched upon that, didn't we? We all have narcissistic traits and just disowning stuff, actually. And actually shedding layers, I think, if uh for me. Um I don't know if I said this in a podcast, but this analogy just keeps coming up to me, but it's like you know when you used to go to a party when you were young and everybody threw their coats on the bed, you know, and then at the end of the day they collected them, if they remembered. It's like you know, I was buried underneath a pile of coats, actually. And um, and now the coats have been removed and all right, can I get up and go and join the party now, please? So that's what I that's where I was at. I've got up now.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Are you joining the party?

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Oh, you you you bet, you bet. If not now, when? That's my motto. That's my motto now. I feel like I really have got up and I I'm you know sitting up on this bed and going, oh wow, okay, right, off I go. I'm gonna open the door and I'm going. I'm gonna be like a rocket.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Yeah, amazing. I'm so happy to hear this for you, truly.

SPEAKER_01 2:25

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Thank you. I know. We decided to take a break because, you know, obviously doing this work in in podcasts, but we also are, you know, in in a professional capacity in service to others and human beings and women going through our own journey. We had a discussion about taking a break to process some things that needed to be processed independently because we believe energy is real and it's really important to be authentic, and you cannot come into a public space with thousands of listeners, which we do now very happy to say we do have, and pretend that you're happy clappy when you're not.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Yeah, yeah, no. And no, it doesn't work. We we've got we've got we've got to be authentic, I think, especially when you've got a a public platform. Um, I and I can't I can't work like that. You know, I wear my heart on my sleeve. I can never sort of say, oh yes, you know, this is how you should be. And I'm you know living something in my my life is sort of completely different, actually. So that that that's never worked for me.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

And good, it's never worked. If anybody's listening out there and you think, oh, you know, I've never been able to be, you know, fake or good for you. Good for you. Yeah, yeah. Because I think the times that we're in and and welcome back and we've missed you, we're gonna have a bit I don't know how this is gonna go this evening because we've been having some uh amazing conversations, you know, outside of the podcast space, is we seem to be in a new place now, generally collectively, where we really wanted to focus on a kind of uprising right now and how it's affecting the masculine and feminine within us, uh, in terms of gender, sometimes with women, but also how it's also affecting men. And we wanted to have a bit of a conversation today about what's happening personally inside of us, but also what's happening in the collective.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. No, that's really important, and um, yeah, and to look at it from both of as you say, with both male and men and women have got both the masculine and feminine, and I think I guess sometimes you know that um one or the other dominates because I certainly know in my life, um, you know, I've been a stay-at-home mum, but even in that, and I and you know, touchy feely, having fun, being creative, you know, do all the things, cuddles with the kids and everything, but in some ways my masculine was quite dominant. Do you know what I mean? Um so it's you know interesting. Your masculine was quite dominant. So it's quite a bit. So it's almost like well, it just felt to me that everything I was doing was in a sort of um get things done sort of what way. Do you know what I mean? It wasn't sort of there wasn't so much flow. It was all sort of like um you know, uh today we're doing this and you know, gotta tick this off. And there wasn't any um spontaneity quite possibly in it. Um do you know what I mean? Um it was it was a bit it was a bit controlled, I suppose. And I suppose because I was struggling, you know, my personal life, everything did have to be a bit controlled. Um I think that's what I'm saying, uh coming from. Yeah, if you yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

But did that come from not trusting the masculine energy historically, as in father, brothers, partner? Do you do you think that level of control, what I what I call toxic femininity, is when we don't trust that the masculine energy is going to do what it needs to do?

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Yeah, well, I also I come from a very patriarchal culture, don't I? You know, I mean that that's half that's informed most of my life, you know, right, even if I've grown up in this country. And then yes, Indian men and um my brothers are very, very gentle actually, but you know, the the that generation of um men, my father's generation, you know, what they were like. Um so and also then, but the femininity, the femininity in the Indian culture is horrible as well. I mean, it's almost like I sort of said went, you know, right, okay, I'm looking at you two, and this is what this I'm gonna take, and I'm actually not gonna be overtly feminine because actually look at your life, mother, you know, um, you are actually sacrificial. Um so yeah, it was it's interesting, isn't it? How subconsciously you take things just to sort of you know armour up to get through your life, but quite possibly, you know, you leave all the good bits behind.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

But do you think that's just Indian based or do you think that's collectively?

SPEAKER_01 7:04

No, I think it's collective. I think I think it's slightly enhanced, you know, uh in the Indian culture and it but it might quite possibly be, you know, in many, many cultures, but I think collectively it's got to be collective, hasn't it? It's not just it's not no, no, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Yeah, so I would, you know, as we've been working through the uprising of the feminine, just to be really clear, we're not talking about gender, right? Because every human, male or female, has a masculine and feminine energy. And we were kind of wanting to break it down from a different perspective, although you know it's not scriptive, we don't really know where it's gonna go, it's kind of organic. Thank you, feminine, is really looking at if we if we go back in history and in time, every religion, every culture has a certain ideology about feminine energy. And feminine energy is somehow supposed to be controlled, either through clothing or through religion or expectations. There is a heavy emphasis on feminine are supposed to be sacrificial. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every culture, if you if you look at Catholic, Christian, you know, Jewish, it doesn't matter what denomination you come from, right across the board, women are supposed to stay at home and sacrifice themselves and and submit to something other than themselves.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Yeah, yeah. So basic and so, yeah, literally that the power's taken away, then isn't it? They are put into a box basically.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

Yeah, well, power is seen as something that's rebellious, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or difficult or different, right? But that feminine energy also exists in men. Again, it's not gender. So if men are trained to suppress women, they suppress a certain part of themselves energetically. So if the feminine energy is empathic, caring, nurturing, loving, if society is trained to suppress the feminine, we're going to see inside men a lack of empathy. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you feel about that? Have you seen that in men in general? That they're they're trained to sort of kind of discard their feelings on some level.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

Totally, absolutely. I mean, don't they say that the suicide rates of young men are, you know, really sky high? Because I think you know, it just feels to me like a lot of you know men, I mean not just young men, don't really know how to behave. It's not it's almost like you know, they're expected to be soft and inemotional, but they're also expected to be, you know, the opposite as well. And and and I think you know, they probably can't manage to contain both of them because do you think they go against each other? I mean, why is that conflict in them?

SPEAKER_00 10:21

Well, if you think about it, if you're if your mother, right? So everyone, you know, we're we're gonna put some links in the bio, but women retain cells of their children, right? And children retain cells of their mother, must out foundationally. That's biological, by the way, it's not spiritual, it's a it's a biological fact.

SPEAKER_02 10:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

If your mother is trained to suppress herself, to make wrong rights, to in some way, even if you think about religion, that somehow the fall of man is is because of women, because women wanted wisdom, which is what the the snake represents in in Edom is wisdom. If if you're trained as a man, there's a certain part of you you're gonna be in balance with, there's a certain part of you that you're not gonna like about yourself. There's a certain part of you that then can't connect to empathy, self-love, self-worth. Because if your mum is conditioned to hate herself and those cells are in you, there's a part of you that's gonna hate yourself.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

And I think anybody in the world that's sabotaging relationships or sabotaging love, I think is an act of self-hatred.

unknown 11:37

Gosh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

So if your mum is trained to do that and those cells are in you, how can you fully like yourself? Yeah, male or female. Yeah. It's irrelevant, isn't it, right? At that point, we're talking about cellular DNA information. Exactly, yeah, yeah. So you're gonna start rejecting a part of you. So when you start to reject the feminine, then we see substance, addiction, food, anxiety, mental health. Because how can you be a balanced whole individual if you're conditioned to suppress a certain part of you? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

And where does that suppression come from? Because I'm sure people are thinking, you know, like like is it is it just religion? What what is it? Where does it come from, do you think?

SPEAKER_00 12:27

Sorinda, that's a whole. I mean, that's an eight-hour podcast.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

For the long form. Right. I mean, you you you're going way back to the Gilgamesh, Emerald Tablets, the ancient Sumerian text. I mean, you're going way back to understand why women have been suppressed way before religion was ever formed. But in today's society, in today's society, women create humans. So let's take it from a capitalist model, let's bring it up to the 18th, 19th, 20th century, right? If you want worker bees to conform to a program, the first thing you have to do is convince women that that's how it should be.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Because women are creating the cells.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Women are the ones that generally do the school run, the lunch boxes, the medical appointments, the pay dates, right? You have to convince women first this is the program.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Right. If you create a society where women are revered for their wisdom, for their empathy, for their knowledge, for their emotional intelligence, you have a capital a capitalist society. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. So if you can train people to suppress that, to gaslight, yeah, to abuse, to devalue, people all gonna go into the program and think that the the holy growl of life is money.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Money status, yeah, yeah, yeah, the house, the car.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

And maybe if you get to 65 and you've got seven years left, you you've made it, you're a success because what you went to Asia once. Gosh, yes, yeah. But I tell you what, if you can convince a woman that that is the right way, that's gonna happen. Because a woman will lay down her life for her man and her children.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

So if you can convince women that they have no power, yeah, and their power is to create a program, you've been pretty successful.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

unknown 14:50

Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, no, I understand. No, the whole thing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I it makes me think about the education system. You know, they're quite very honest about why that was created, is to teach the three R's, you know, arithmetic, writing, and whatever the other one is. Just so that for you know, for worker worker bees, as you say, they're quite honest about that.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

Yeah, that comes from the roschart. So if you I mean we could even go back further in time if you want to look at the manifestation of Freud and all, I mean, it's just unbelievable if you actually are a free thinker and think, why are we doing the things that we're doing? Why are women covered up? Why are men committing suicide? Why are women sexualized? Why are men so disassociated in their relationships that they'd rather go down the pub and watch football than be with their like why is the divorce rate sky high? Why is the marital rate so low? Why is the birth rate so low? So you have to see the agenda. It isn't about the health of connection, humanity, it's about the health of money.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not about the family unit, is it because that's being destroyed? It's not, yeah. Yeah, the whole thing, the pinnacle of it is the money.

unknown 16:07

Gosh.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

Also, women are extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary. The feminine energy is extraordinary, yeah, yeah. Because it will lay down its life, it will do anything it has to do to to preserve life. And if that is then disconnected from men, so let's let's look at the bigger picture. If the model is to traumatize women, so the women lower their standards, disassociate, lower their values, become sacrificial, they've lost power.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

So how many men then are gonna respect women? Let's take it into gender if you've got powerless women.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

Yeah, very few, very few. Any, if any.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

If any. And then if you bring in Paul and you bring in what I call the Kardashian mentality and all of this, and you sexualise women and you've lost respect for women, what do we have? Women become men unto themselves. We see the uprising of toxic feminism. So women internally have a broken feminine that doesn't trust their internal masculine.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

They've lost sight of their values and their strength and their boundaries and their tenacity, their extraordinary power. And we have men that don't feel loved by women, don't feel safe with women.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

And we have the men that oversexualise women. Gosh. So we have a lot of angry men. And we have a lot of angry depressed women.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Absolutely. Gosh.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

And I believe that's what we're witnessing.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Right this moment. You think that's what we're collectively all going through?

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Yeah, I do. If you look at the planetary grids, and I won't go too woo-woo because I appreciate some people aren't into that, but I think right now it most women are going through huge transformation as in I didn't count the consequences of my love because I didn't love myself.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

I was sacrificial without discernment.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

But I bought into the story that what makes a woman is how much she sacrifices herself.

SPEAKER_02 19:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Not how much she cheerleads or self-esteems or witnesses her own feminine bloodline, how strong her feminine bloodline was. I I think we're going through a mass awakening. The reason why I've never liked kind of the feminist movement is because it says we have to be equal to men. We will not be equal to men because they cannot have babies. Yes, quite we must be equal unto ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

Wow. Wow. We must be equal unto ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

And women are stunning. They are beautiful and intelligent and strong and have extraordinary connection to nature and wisdom. And women retain cells of their babies, and babies retain cells of their mothers. I mean, women are breathtaking. They have artistry and creativity and intuition. There is no other thing on earth apart from mother nature herself that is equal to a woman.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Oh beautiful.

unknown 20:31

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

So to say that we are equal to men is horrific.

unknown 20:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

We are equal unto ourselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, equal unto ourselves. Wow. So this is now. Do you feel like then this is now the awakening of that feminine now?

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Yeah, the Sophia Code is happening in real time where women are, I hope, are looking at themselves and what have I actually become? Am I in my masculine too much? Am I suppressing my own feminine?

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Yeah, quite. I think most most women are, aren't they?

SPEAKER_00 21:13

My own self-care. My I'm witnessing myself, witnessing my feelings. I do matter what I think and feel does matter. My health does matter. Am I am I abusing my feminine? And is the collective just reflecting that?

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Yeah, I well, I think you know what? I think most probably, most probably, good lord.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Right. So it's in this tremendous uprising of the elegance of the feminine where she has something to say. All women have a skill set. Yeah, yeah. And all women are valuable.

unknown 21:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

So where the man the Mao energy Has been brainwashed into thinking from society women are either sexualised or they wear a burqa. They're either prostitutes or you marry them at eleven. I'm sorry to be so graphic, but it's true. It's like men have been trained that women stay at home and they do this traditional role but then they're supposed to be hookers at night. Yes. Gosh. Men have been trained that way. Women do this role. Yeah, yeah. But men have also then not been able to connect with their true feelings, their empathy, their their own needs, their own nurture. They've become very cold and very practically internally. The minute that a man is in his emotions, he's shamed.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Yeah, isn't he? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

So you kind of then see where a lot of the men live in guilt and shame. They hate themselves, they sabotage themselves. They're doing all sorts of weird stuff. They they want to be respected and loved by the feminine, but actually they've been trained not to.

SPEAKER_02 23:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

And they want to love their own creativity, their own energy, but they've been trained not to. And then they oversexualise women, and it becomes about sexual prowess, but yet they don't then feel loved and appreciated. And you look and you feel so sorry for men because you think you're just as much as a victim of the rest of us.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I think that's important to state, isn't it? Because it's not just about the feminine, is it? And the female. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

No, men have been emasculated. So they're either, you know, not allowed to be these strong men, which is what feminine has done, where they, you know, have a certain physical presence. Men have such gorgeous skill sets. They're, you know, from an infrastructure point of view, that's just incredible to watch. Like a strong man, it's beautiful. But he's allowed to feel. And he's allowed to be emotional, and he's allowed to care, and he's allowed to have needs, and he's allowed to want to be recognized and witnessed. And society says, No, you're not allowed to do that. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 24:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

So they then get their needs met through sex, or they get their th needs met through turning their partner into a mother, and then the woman thinks that's hideous.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

I don't really want to have sex or breastfeed a grown man. Yeah, what? Yes, yes, yes. So women then lose respect. So if you if you look at this, Serena, what do you think? This is just my view. I think men have been put into a child position where they're either over sexualized or they're breastfeeding.

unknown 25:05

Gosh.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

And I think people have been women have been put into a position of sacrificial resentment.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Or thinking power, I'm sorry, I'm gonna be so graphic. I'm so sorry for all the BBC two, BBC four listeners. Or the powers in between their legs. Yeah. It's like one or the other, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, like you're saying the either mother or hookah.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Mother or hookah, and and it's just it's so heartbreaking. And this is why we see such separation. So, what do you think about this?

SPEAKER_01 25:41

What's your thoughts? No, I'm I see I I I I relate to a lot of this, you know, because obviously looking at sort of my relationships or other relationships around me. And I think a lot of the ones I am witness to is this sort of um a lot of women have become mothers, definitely mothers to their partners, and you know, um, but not in a way that, you know, oh, you know, you have emotions and we can help I can help you know to walk you through them or but support them. But it's just this sort of um, yeah, I don't know, it's not trusting them for one thing, it's being overly controlling, right? My way or the highway type of thing. So that takes a lot of power away from men. They're almost put like, you know, in a child position, aren't they? You know, going to manage you like I manage the children. And um I think I think you know, both partners, both both lots are sort of screaming, really, because like what is going on? You know, we are neither of us happy, neither of us, you know, this is wrong, but we don't actually know what like what is wrong or how it should be. Um, I think I see that a lot in relationships or a lot of women going, I just don't want a man in my life. I'm the no no no way, I am happy on my own. Do you think it's more women do who do that than men?

SPEAKER_00 26:52

I think right now, so if we bring it into present time, I don't think historically, no. If you go back in history, right, to the turn of the 19th century, men were revered. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was these elegant, beautiful men, and you know, that we we we had respect for how hard they worked, yeah, you know, their level of craftsmanship because they were such master craftsmen, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they were there were astonishing elegance, and women were very much in their feminine and not hookering and not breastfeeding. They're women were with women, they they knew a certain standard, they knew a certain elegance to them that they need to be wooed and they needed to be dated. And I think we lost that. If I look back at history, because you know I love to read and watch a lot of documentaries, and and we've been obsessed recently collectively with Tataria. Sorry, I've got to get it in there. The Tatarian Empire is I think we lost it around the Second World War, you know, Sarina.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Yeah, I was gonna ask you that because what happened after the war when women were actually I I you you can say they were content to stay at home, you know, and raise the family. Do you know what? That was their art, that was their work. Good for them. Huh? Good for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, and they were. So what happened? Like, but that had to be destroyed, didn't it? They had to go into the workforce, children had to be put into nurseries and childcare, and women had to become like men. Does does that change? Did that change in the 60s?

SPEAKER_00 28:34

Yeah, I think it changed before. So, you know, if you if you track it back, right? Okay, where women had a certain status, and men had a certain status, and women were seen as the caregivers, that that's been seen as a terrible thing. I actually think it's a privilege because I think women are creating humanity. I love women so much, and I think a woman's capacity to create free thinkers and free learners, and it's just astonishing to me, right? Yeah, and I think that was taken away after the second world war. So when we see kind of uh a huge amount of men go miss in husbands, sons, generations wiped out, women then had to step into that kind of maternal role, right? And paternal role, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a massive deficit of men, and I think that's where it changed. If you see around 1950, you see a distinct change in culture and ideology and pathology. So we see that then women start to pick up the male role. So unfortunately, then, but the male role was survival, it was money, it was infrastructure, it was housing, it was water, it was electric. So you see women then having to step into that infrastructural, not creative role, infrastructure. I think we lost women then, right? And I think the minute because women are so bloody power, ask any man out there, right, the power of his wife, he will pull you straight. It's absolutely right, because a resentful wife is like a tsunami, yeah. Right, there isn't no peace in that house if you've pissed your wife off.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

There's a man on Instagram that um somebody told me about, my chiropractor, and um he puts into perspective his wife's um what his wife is telling him and he's going, guys. When your wife is um you know overseeing your cooking, let's say, or you're going to the supermarket and she's componing you and she's at you're at the supermarket and you're thinking she's nagging you. No, what she's doing is you're there and she's thinking, right, why is that? Let him get something for lunch, breakfast tomorrow, and maybe the school's lunch books, his lunch boxes, and maybe because we're gonna go off a picnic at the end of the week, maybe we can pre-cook this. That's what she that's what she's doing, and that is awesome. She's not nagging you, do you know what I mean? You know, testing have you remembered everything? She's she's thinking ahead. And um, my chiropractor's saying it's he's great because he's actually telling men you're missing the point.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

That is so weird. So I can't name the my client that I was working with today, but my client has actually mentioned the same person. No, yeah, and you're an opposite end of the country. Oh wow. Okay. So go absolutely. So if we go back to the Second World War, women become infrastructure, they stop creating. Yeah. Women feel depressed, they can't find their purpose. You know, it's a very they start to then create business or infrastructure and all of this, but then what happens is it takes it away from the family unit. Yeah, yeah.

unknown 31:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

Massively. So then men become emasculated.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

So, what would be an ideal situation, let's say? So I certainly in my case, I try I I was going to go back to work, it didn't work out with my oldest child, so I I stayed at home and I I got to a point, I just thought, gosh, this is going to be the most important job I ever do. I'd have this lightful moment. So I'm just gonna like, you know, and I threw myself into it totally. And but so that so what went wrong, let's say, in that sort of scenario, I lost my job. Sorry? There's no wrong, it's calculated. It's calculated, yeah. But I'm just saying, I lost myself in it. So I gave too much of myself and there wasn't the support. It was like two people, you know, doing two jobs, but not like that Vetica Pisces thing the circles overlapping. It was like there was resentment from the other half, oh well, I have to go to the office all the time and commute, and you're sitting at home. The woman's role has been devalued. Yeah, okay, that's where that comes from. Because if it had been supported, and not just in many, many cases, can you imagine what what it would be like? Because actually I was I was but I felt fulfilled doing that, but I lost myself in it.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

Yeah, but you lost yourself in it because it becomes from uh a place of I'm on my own with it, so you become masculine and feminine. Right? So if you broaden it out right, turn of the second world war, anyone can look this up, right? We see a dramatic change in society. Dramatic change. So the first thing is women have to become men and women, yeah, yeah. Right? So women aren't in the home, they're not creating, then they're trying to rebuild society.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

Women then you see it time over time, over time, over time, start to not trust men or respect men because they think, well, this is all on me.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

That gets passed down generationally, can't rely on men, you have to do it yourself. So we see hyper independence with women, which is actually a lack of respect for men. Oh gosh, yeah, yeah. Right. So who is raising the kids? The state. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And why does the state want to raise the kids?

SPEAKER_01 34:07

So it can program them in a certain way. Capitalism. Capitalism. Oh well, back to worker bees then.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

Because I don't know many women that think I want to raise my children to work 60 hours a week and ex want them to have validation at their annual job review, and then I want them to hike themselves up with mortgage, and then I hope they get to 60 and they've got seven years left before they need a knee and hip replacement. I haven't met many women that think that's goals. Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

Yeah.

unknown 34:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

So if you take women out because they're so distract, you know, distracted, recalibrating humanity, these kids belong to the system.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. The whole education system now is, you know, I'm this is always my one of my little bugbears, you know. You you know, if you weren't academic, you could always do an apprenticeship, you know, and and but but now the only way to the top of the mountain is academically, everyone has to go to university, be debted up to the damn eyeballs, and then they have to get onto that treadmill to work to pay off that debt. And as you say, if they get to 60 and they've got a couple of years, you know, great.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Right. So you can see it's not working for humanity, no, it's working for an ideology.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

And it it means that women have to agree for to it because if you've ever met a disagreeable woman, she's not agreeing to anything. Yeah, she'll kill you. So sorry, all men out there, if you've ever had an argument with a woman, she ain't letting go for a hundred years. She's got a memory like an elephant, and she's not afraid to use it. Right. So if we come round the big crime in the 50s, which I I just uh you know still just is astonishing to me, was to render men useless.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

And that's when it started.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Yeah, it did. So women started to go into factories, women started to go into manufacturing, women started to recognise that they could do all of these things. And that was the end of men, and then you see that there's the uprising of the 6070s sexual revolution where we see now that unity, togetherness, moral compass, integrity, honour, loyalty, that doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 36:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

You can sleep with anyone, doesn't matter anymore. Then we see the introduction of of real drugs, which eradicates, you know, certain parts of the empathic brain and starts to overstimulate dopamine, which lays the pathway for AI electronics. So which is a surrogate family, the next thing that we'll buy into that all children now are being babysat through electronics. So you take out the mother, she's exhausted, she's working, she now needs electronics.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

Yeah, that's true, gosh.

SPEAKER_00 37:07

Right? The mum doesn't respect the father anymore, he's a dickhead, and he's got no purpose because I can get pregnant by myself, I can take you know, I can work by myself, I can pay my own mortgage. We actually don't need men anymore. Yes, gosh, he has come to that.

unknown 37:22

Gosh, gosh, gosh, gosh.

SPEAKER_00 37:24

We actually don't need them.

unknown 37:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

You can you you don't anymore. Babies can be made in test tubes. Like a woman does not need a man anymore. Men are completely redundant in the time.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

And they and they know it. Yeah, and they feel it.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

So they feel it. So listen, women can go to work, they can raise children, they can pay their own bills, they can drive their own car. Women can create their own babies, don't even need a man for that. You don't even need to marry a man to have a baby now, you can just go and order one. And men are absolutely obsolete now. Now because men have been raided uh uh have been rated into baby status where now they can't have an emotion and now women hate them. And women think that they're spiritually retarded. They'll bring in robots and then you'll go marry George. You know, I sent you a link a while ago where now you can order a robot, Mal, who's gonna take care of your own needs. Now, don't tell me every woman that's not listening to this is gonna really, where's the link?

SPEAKER_01 38:45

Yeah, absolutely. Well, we've talked about narcissists before who can mirror you and love bomb you.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

I mean, this is gonna be beyond Robot has no opinions, he thinks you're amazing, he's gonna make you pancakes, make your coffee, cut the grass, walk the dogs, do the laundry. Everyone's like, yeah, when's that start? What's the pre-order date? Yeah, quite. Oh what's the pre-order date? Don't so now we see global violence in the Mao energy.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Okay, is that what's happening with all these uprisings then?

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Men no love. I mean, look.

SPEAKER_01 39:28

No, it's not an uprising. I mean, but I mean fighting, you know, there's uh you know, um protests and things. I mean not uprising, that's the wrong word.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

But you have sons, right? I take it you love your boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I have boys, I love my boys.

SPEAKER_02 39:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

And I actually love men. Yeah, me too. Especially ones that can build stuff. Yes. That can like chop a wood, you're like, oh, oh my god, you're amazing. Focus, be sorry. You're like, oh, do you know stuff? Like, can you fish? Can you like what can you do with copper pipes? Men are delicious, right? Yeah, yeah. But they know they're not needed, they're they're radically becoming extinct. Depopulation, the seeds isn't repopulating, women don't want to get married, women want to be celibate. Imagine that. The only way you get your needs met is OnlyFans. I mean how degrading. How embarrassing that the sum tone of a man is that gets his needs met through porn. That's that's how nothing he is.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

And that's what's ha erupting now, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

On the streets.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

As the feminine is rejecting the masculine, it is a mirror of the world, right? So when the the when the feminine stops investing in care and nurture and integrity because she's so busy surviving, we see that in the world. The world is in survival mode, it definitely is in integrity and creative mode, that's for damn sure.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

Yeah, the masculine is alone, it feels unloved, unappreciated, unseen, it's embarrassed, you know, just emasculated. It's gonna come out fighting, so we see a mass eruption of war and violence.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

Yes, yes, particularly at the moment, isn't there? You know, so many taking to the streets.

SPEAKER_00 41:44

Yeah, and that's what's happening in the collective. So when we don't understand what's within us is being created external as above, so below, yeah, we just think, oh, it's the world. No, I would invite every woman listening to this thing, how do you really feel about men? Yes, yeah, and that thought is going into the collective and men know it. Yeah, and men are lonely. Yeah, yeah. The Mao energy is lonely because it it's it's stunted, it's embarrassed, it's had its kahunas cut off.

SPEAKER_02 42:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

And the only way it can get love is through sex, and most women don't even want sex and they thought it's hideous.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

So how does how is it gonna be brought back into balance then?

SPEAKER_00 42:40

You know, Serena, we talk about Till Swan. Why do we why why do you love Till Swan?

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Oh well, she's she's in her feminine for one thing. She she's she's just authentic, yeah. Yeah, and she's totally hot in the women's men eat right. Yeah, yeah, she loves men, yeah. Yeah, and yeah, and she's round a bit, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:04

And she loves herself as a woman. Yeah, yeah. So I think the only way that this can shift is by each woman saying Do I have such resentment towards my own mother such anger towards my own mother in a way that she's lived her life of limitations or a sacrificial nature that I've decided to become something other to the point where I've stopped being an empathic, sentient spiritual being. Because that's because it goes like that, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01 43:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:43

Yeah.

unknown 43:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

And have I stopped really believing in and have faith in men?

SPEAKER_01 43:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:53

I would invite every woman to look at that that listens to this have I lost faith in men. Oh and the answer probably across the board, minus a few will be yes. And then I would invite every man to say, do I really trust women to love me? Or do I believe that they will put everything before me because they've lost respect for me? How do I really feel about women? Really? Am I resentful that they put the kids first, that they put the world first, they put this first, and actually they don't see me as a man anymore. They they treat me like a child. They talk to me like a child. Do you know how many women are it's astonishing to me when they talk about the husbands refer to them as a b he's a good boy.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

Oh really?

unknown 44:54

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 44:55

Oh my gosh, I've not heard that. Oh yeah, he's a good boy, and I'm thinking if if that if that man is tolerating that spill out somewhere, how can you refer to a man as a good boy over the age of eight? Yeah, quite. Oh my gosh. Or you know, how many men do they know? Do they they know that they're being manipulated and they tolerate it?

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Yeah, absolutely.

unknown 45:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

Well then where does road rage come from? Where does masturbation come from? I don't even want to be vulnerable with with a woman, I want to contain my own sexuality because even that I'm not gonna allow her to see because a sexual act is a really vulnerable sexual act. So I think we're in the gosh. She does love why are men so aggressive in football in sports? I think the times that we're in is we all have to look within and think what type of feminine energy am I kind, loving, full of integrity? Yeah, am I an authentic human being? And what is my internal masculine? Is this male or female? Do I respect the feminine energy? Do I actually respect when I need to take a break? Do I put boundaries around that? Do I give it permission to rest? You know, do I really go to bed at night and self-validate what I've done through the day? Do I respect what other people bring to the table? Like, where am I? Yeah, quite. Yeah. And if I'm not, I'm part of the problem.

SPEAKER_01 46:55

Yeah, absolutely. Wow, some deep, deep questions, V. Wow, but need to be need to be looked at.

SPEAKER_00 47:03

Well, they do, otherwise, you see, you're gonna have AI babysitting her children. So now we're in the Cloud Atlas film. You're gonna have women married to George the Bot. Yes, that's true. Yeah. Right. As we have the first AI government MP member in Albania. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. Apparently she's pregnant with 85 babies or something like that. But we have the first check fact check it, everybody. The first AI minister in Albania. And we're gonna have men married to a bot Anushka. Yeah, yeah. But we've lost faith in each other that we'd rather have a hot robot that that doesn't have any opinions, it's just nice to us because we're so starving of kindness.

SPEAKER_01 47:55

Yeah, oh that's a like the nail on the head, isn't it? We have we've lost faith in each other. Totally, totally.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

Gosh. And it's designed that way. Disconnection. Yeah, yeah. So children are a conveyor belt with their iPhones, their iPads, their laptops, their their they have no real connections to their families. Women hate men, men hate women. And then we're gonna link up something outside of us because we have no connection internally.

SPEAKER_01 48:27

And this is this toxic soup that we're all living in. That we can stop. Yeah, yes, we do have the power to do that.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

I mean, how many families now have family game nights or read a book together or disconnects, which are all electronics off, go for a walk or a bake together? I mean they don't.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

No. I was always so grateful that my children didn't have any of that stuff. Only later on, but you know, I mean, oldest is 32, but we did have those, you know, free evenings to do those things, go like she said, play a board game, go for you know, go and play cricket in the garden or something, just be silly, you know, just relax. How much of that does happen?

SPEAKER_00 49:11

It doesn't anymore because women are exhausted, yeah, yeah. Men are stressed and angry, and sometimes women are stressed and angry, and sometimes men are exhausted, and the children are sitting there by themselves trying to connect to something, some sort of peer group, because they're so lonely. Yeah, but men are so lonely, women we are we have an epidemic of loneliness in our own homes.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

Yeah, everyone's living their separate lives.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

Yeah, yeah. So sad.

SPEAKER_01 49:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

So for example, my little one, because everyone knows I have two boys, Shorty is currently up in the mountains where there'll be no phones, where it'll be lake diving and hiking and kayaking and quad biking. And I know he's gonna come back to get fulfilled as a human being.

SPEAKER_02 50:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

How many people now are going on holiday in a bougie hotel? Quite realistically, they're so exhausted, they just want someone to make him a cup of tea, full board, and they sit by the pool and they have no connection to anything.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 50:30

They're so tired and so unloved, they will pay thousands of pounds to be served a coffee and a buffet meal. Yes. Or should put it like that.

unknown 50:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:42

In a chlorine pool that's toxic.

SPEAKER_01 50:44

Yeah. My best holidays were when we went camping and actually the kids played with other kids, we went down to the beach, and we made that the only thing you could probably make, you know, was mostly macaroni cheese every night, you know, with two pounds. But they were the best. They were the best. We were all together. We were all together and we were all relaxed and just yeah, mucking around.

SPEAKER_00 51:04

So if you actually think about the epidemic of tourism, people will pay thousands, thousands of pounds to be treated with respect because they don't have respect in their own homes.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

Ooh, is that what it is, isn't it? Gosh.

SPEAKER_00 51:22

It is a concrete block with people on minimum wage serving you where you just want to feel that someone actually cares for you prepared to pay ridiculous money for someone to bring you a sandwich because your own partner won't.

SPEAKER_01 51:41

But equally, you're so stressed out that actually you know you'll pay for you'll pay a full, you're you're working, you know, you're working towards the you know, earning this money to go on this holiday. Do you know it's a bit a bit of a mind bender, isn't it? Like, you know, if you weren't so stressed out in the first place and doing those jobs you wouldn't need to, and all this, you know, business and all these sort of, you know, and I've got some young person saying to me, Oh, yes, I'm gonna make sure when I have children early 30s, they we go to exotic places every year in Namibia and here and there and what uh whatnot. And I was like, and I was thinking, why don't you just go and go to the seaside for a long weekend or something and just let them relax? You know, do they have to have these bougie holidays? What's the point? Because then you're gonna be working your socks off to earn the money for them.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

See, it's see this is what I'm saying is that when people say to me, I'm going on holiday and I'm staying here, right? And I'm uh please, but we're not judging. I I just I just want to show how sad it is, right? What's really happened to people, it's not judging people, criticizing, right?

SPEAKER_02 52:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:45

So I have people that say to me, Oh V, I'm going, I've saved up and I'm going on this five-star holiday. And in my head, I'm thinking, oh, kayaking and mountain climbing, and you know, you're going in the lakes. Like that's that's how because I wasn't raised in money. Listen, I'm a street kid. We trust me, a week away in a caravan was a luxury, right?

SPEAKER_01 53:03

So we never had any holidays.

SPEAKER_00 53:07

You know, I didn't even get onto a plane till I was nearly 20, right? So for me, um I don't understand this, right? Yeah, and they'll say, What did you do? And amazing. They go spend thousands on the flights, they pack, they shop, they spend thousands on. I said, Where did you go by the pool? Oh bless them. And I want to cry. Yeah. Because I think because I know they're not loved.

SPEAKER_01 53:35

Yeah, that's where it's coming from. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

They're paying all that money to be treated like a human being because probably in their own home, they're not.

SPEAKER_02 53:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:44

Oh and I know when I was really, really traumatized and coming out of some some horrific abuse. And I didn't have any money. I really didn't. I was you know so broke, it was ridiculous, you know, like back of the sofa money, you know, like when you're shaking the sofa for coins. Yeah, yeah. You know that one. Yeah. And I used to have to go to a coffee shop every day. I thought this isn't sanny, right? This could buy me like some E Dam cheese and a loaf of bread and s and some butter, right? I just wanted someone to be kind to me. Oh that £1.80, which is what it was then for a cappuccino, with someone who treat me like an actual human being. Oh bless.

unknown 54:27

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 54:27

It meant the world to me.

unknown 54:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:31

And I see that's what the tourism industry is about. It's how we treat each other at home in separate rooms on the electronic or how people speak to each other. We have to go to a hotel where staff are paid to treat us as a human. That's so interesting. Wow. Yeah, it came to me at four o'clock in the morning last Wednesday. Oh my goodness. Okay. It's only because you'd have got an obsession with the lady down the road, right? So if anyone who comes to Hertz Ignovi, I recommend the cafe appetite. And um, I think that's where that man got, it's it's just one up from when that man got obsessed with you. Do you remember? He was so obsessed with you in your white linen floral dress, obsessed when you educute Bob. You're gonna all quiet, but I know you're I just remember you said telling me that was flirting.

SPEAKER_01 55:22

I'm going really, yeah, that's just me.

unknown 55:23

No.

SPEAKER_00 55:24

So you looked at him, and then I think he like was sweating and like literally taking off his white shirt, bless him. And he didn't have long to live. I was like, please let him cat and be Serena. That little bottom marching a hundred miles an hour down the seafront. But there's a cafe just down called Appetite if anyone wants to go, and there's a member of staff in there, and that woman has literally saved my life. Oh, really? But she just smiles and she's kind. We haven't had that in our families, or our partners, or our kids. So that's when it came to me. I would have thought, why do I have to go there every day? It's really weird, but you can see you've got very, very good coffee at home. She's nice to me. Yeah.

unknown 56:12

Gosh.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

I don't think that'd be very popular in Montenegro going forward.

SPEAKER_01 56:21

Wow. Wow. That's a very interesting way to look at it.

SPEAKER_00 56:26

So as we wind down, um we have done so much talking this evening. Serena, what do you want people to think about?

SPEAKER_01 56:34

Oh gosh, these questions that you posed are, I just think they're so, so, so important. I mean, you know, I just know from my experience, friends, you know, clients, how separate we are. And we're all living in our own traumatised bubbles, you know, not thinking that we get each other, understand each other, or support each other. One partner feels they're oppressed and one feels that they're you know taken for granted. I mean, it's do you think it's the worst it's ever been? Yes. Gosh. It is, it is. And and everybody is so miserable to fall out with the kids and um, well, not just that, the ripples out to you know, to work. You know, you're taking this stuff to work with you as well, you know, or on the underground, or you know, anything, as you say, football matches, you know, in the car. Something's got to be done. Something has got to be done. It is, it's bad, it's bad.

SPEAKER_00 57:28

Um yeah, I do think it's the worst it's ever been. I I do, and I think a revolution is coming, and I think it is a long overdue revolution, and it has to happen where we have to fight for each other now. We're either gonna connect to AI, which has benefits, by the way. Don't get me wrong, I mean it's not all doom and gloom. We're we're either gonna connect to something outside of us because we can't connect to each other, or we're gonna decide to work it out with each other. Yeah. And I hope we do decide to find a path back to one another and be authentic and honest and be able to sit down and talk about issues properly and reconnect with our children, not capitalism. We have 15 summers, that's all we have with our kids until they don't belong to us anymore. Oh what 15 summers? Oh my gosh. 15 summers and they don't belong anymore because we're so horrible indoors, they want to be with their friends instead of their family.

SPEAKER_01 58:33

We've lost them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 58:38

15 summary, we have to create memories.

SPEAKER_01 58:41

That would be blind if you put it like that. Crikey. Um, no, it's wake-up time, isn't it? It is, it's it's it's it's it's stop and turn round, right? And look at each other. And we said this in um one of the podcasts, didn't we? Like, you know, staying together in marriages for children. Um, it's it's talk, you know, constant talking to each other, like, you know, look at each other, that you are, you know, human beings, talk, what's going on, you know, and check in with each other. But it's more than that. It's I think this is showing actually it's more than that. It's these fundamental questions need to be asked of us. We need to ask of ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

Yeah, and and I I think you've you just articulated it so well. I just think we need to let go of our parents' model and think what type of human do I want to be? Do I appreciate my husband? Do I appreciate my wife? Yeah. Do I really look at how we treat each other as affecting our children? And you know, what sort of family are we? How are we moving? Are we loyal? Are we together? Are we checking in? You know, do the children see the father respecting the wife? Do we does the wife respect that? Like, what are we doing here?

SPEAKER_01 59:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's being very conscious of our actions, isn't it? Words and our actions, everything, because I think this is what we forget, don't we? We forget that actually that you know they're they're they're watching us. We're mirror, you know, we're showing them how to be, which again, back to what we've said before. They are learning how to be human beings from us, and we have a we have a obligation to look at ourselves and and not to be parenting in reaction to what we've how we've been parenting, because that's parenting, that's a lot of it, isn't it? You know, and you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Start anew. And because that because there's still time. There's still time.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:25

There always is time. There's always time. Haven't we learned that love on her journey? There is always time. I mean, on another on another podcast, we'll go into detail of what happened in our sabbatical, but it's definitely not for today, because I think we're both still landing from our own personal journeys. But I do think this is a very important junction we find ourselves at. Do we stay together or do we let go?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:58

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:59

And I hope we stay together.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

Absolutely. The family unit is so important, but there is just like the destruction of it, isn't there? You know, everything seems to be like everything, wherever it's coming from, it it you know, wants it to be destroyed. And that is the fundamental, I think, the building block of everything, isn't it? The family unit.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

That's everything, major. It's humanity. We're tribal, we're communal by nature, and without it, what what do we have in terms of emotional spatial awareness? Nothing. Yeah, yeah. All right. So I want to thank you, love, for being here tonight.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:33

Oh, thank you for well, thank you for all the fascinating um stuff you've shared. Really interesting, really, really interesting. And thank you for the questions as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:43

And I'm glad you're back.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:45

Thank you, I'm back.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:46

Thank you. Nice to be back. It's nice to be back in the space. So until next time. Good night, everyone. Bye bye, Angels.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:54

Yeah, good night, everyone, and thank you for listening.