There Will Be a Better Time to Take A Break from Drinking

What if the fear of missing out is not really about missing out at all?

In this episode of The Alcohol Myth Podcast, Jonathan Ball and Ellen Beggs explore the myth that if you stop drinking, you will always feel like you are missing out.

FOMO can feel so convincing when you are changing your relationship with alcohol. Weddings, vacations, date nights, parties, dancing, celebrations, fancy dinners, and nights out can all seem like they will lose their magic without a drink in your hand.

But what if alcohol was never the magic?

In this conversation, Jonathan and Ellen talk about how much credit we give alcohol for the beautiful experiences around it, and how easily we can project misery into the future before we have even given ourselves a chance to experience something different.

They share stories about alcohol-free weddings, Las Vegas memories, dancing sober, fancy meals, travel, and the surprising pride that can come from showing up fully present. They also talk about the grief that can come with letting go of an old drinking identity, and why different does not have to mean worse.

If you have ever thought, “Will I still have fun if I do this without alcohol?” this episode will help you look at FOMO through a new lens.

You do not need to wait for rock bottom.
You do not need more willpower.
You just need a new way to understand what you are feeling and why you are reaching for the next drink.

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Chapters
0:00 Future casting and the power of expectations
0:38 Welcome to The Alcohol Myth Podcast
1:26 The myth that alcohol-free means missing out
2:25 Why FOMO feels so convincing
4:10 Giving alcohol credit for the whole experience
6:00 Las Vegas, fancy meals, and distorted memories
8:18 Alcohol-free weddings and staying present
11:20 Dancing without drinking
13:10 The joy of missing out
15:05 You can experience something new
17:00 Pride before, during, and after the event
19:05 Different does not mean worse
21:18 Mourning the old drinking identity
24:00 Outgrowing the old version of yourself
26:05 How to reframe FOMO before an event
29:15 The benefits are still real, even if the night is imperfect
31:05 Closing thoughts and listener CTA

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Transcript

The question to ask yourself right now

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Because how often did you spiral out about like, well, if I stop drinking, what's it going to mean for my relationship? If I stop drinking, what's it going to mean for uh that holiday coming up? If I stop drinking, what are my friends going to think or say? And and we allow that worry, that we're future casting of unknown, uncertainty, stress about what might happen in the future, instead of like, if we could instead of doing that, just be here in this present moment, can I look around? Like, what are the disadvantages for me right now in this current moment to not drinking? Are there any? Because if I feel like crap, if I feel like I want to have a good night's sleep tonight, if I feel like I want to get a day one, if I feel like I want to do something for myself that feels good right here, right now, that's all I need to know to have an alcohol-free day.

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Why does the world act like alcohol is the answer, even while it is creating problems of its own?

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On the Alcohol Myth

Welcome to The Alcohol Myth Podcast

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podcast, we pull back the curtain so you can see what's really going on with alcohol and what life could be like without it.

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We are coaches trained in this naked mind and effective liminal psychology who fell for the alcohol myth for decades. Now we help people take back control of their lives by changing their relationship with alcohol from the inside out.

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You don't need to wait for a rock bottom. You don't need more willpower. You just need a new way to understand what you are feeling and why you are reaching for that next drink.

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So let's dig in.

The myth of a better time to stop drinking

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Uh, to try to get some more power over them. And today's topic is one that definitely keeps a lot of people stuck. Today we are tackling the myth that there will be a better time in the future to deal with this whole alcohol thing. So a lot of folks find themselves questioning their drinking or realizing that it's not really working for them. And then they cast ahead in their calendar, they look at the events that are coming up, and they end up talking themselves out of starting to take action because, oh, well, I mean, you know, maybe I'll figure out this whole alcohol thing after I get back from my European vacation. Ah, maybe I'll figure out this whole well, I would reassess my drinking. I would get this under control, but now's not really a good time because it's I've got uh you know three pool parties in a row in this summer, so I couldn't possibly do it now. Today we are tackling that. It's something that kept me stuck for a long time, for probably years, that and other beliefs. Uh, but Ellen, what comes up for you when you think about the idea that there'll be some magical time in the future that will be better or more convenient to start to get a grip on this whole alcohol thing?

“It’s too stressful right now”

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As you were just giving those examples of things that you told yourself, one that I immediately came to mind for me was it's just a really stressful time right now. So now is not a good time for me because I really can't take that on. And I bring that up because I think it was it. I mean, of course, it's it that's what we believe, right? We believe that alcohol is helping us manage our stress. And when we debunk the myth of what alcohol does in the brain and the body, and we can and we see with you know clear biological evidence that it actually creates stress in the body, it's another one of these lies that alcohol tells us, right? Like I am in a stressful period right now, so I need alcohol to help me get through this stressful period. Well, while meanwhile, the alcohol is actually pouring, you know, gasoline on the fire of your stress. And um, and there are so many, you know, like when you said, oh, I'll do it after my vacation, it's like, I mean, God, I said that every, I mean, 100% every time I went on vacation, I was like, I could not imagine a holiday without um alcohol. That that would be like some tragedy that I would not want to experience. And, you know, come to come on the other side of that and now to feel like, wow, I would like you you couldn't pay me to drink on holiday now because I don't want to ruin the experience of the holiday with all of the, you know, the the consequences of what alcohol, drinking alcohol on a holiday brings. And it's just it, I feel like this myth or a lie that there will be a good time, that there will there will be a time and a space where I will feel ready. There will be a time and a space where I will feel qualified or capable or be a hundred percent sure that's what I want. And I'm gonna sort of just

Waiting for the magical moment of readiness

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wait for that like magical insight, or I'm gonna wait until I have a test that really convinces me, or I'm gonna wait until, you know, some people wait for a rock bottom, right? Some people wait until they're they get blood tests back that are really shocking. Like we don't have to wait. And I think that's what we kind of want to talk about here is like all the ways that we talk ourselves out of doing the thing that in our heart of hearts we know we want and need to do. And there are gonna be a million reasons why your brain is gonna tell you, not just your brain, your friends, your family, society, you know, your calendar are gonna tell you that it's not a good time.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

What we're talking about is introducing kind of a fundamental change into your lived dynamic, right? Like it's when you're when one of the main things that you're doing that you enjoy, your hobby, your social circumstances, how you think about yourself, all those things are all wrapped up in alcohol and making sure that you get to have your next drink or planning your day around it when when it has such a huge presence in your life. When alcohol is enmeshed with everything that you're doing, there is never going to be a time where that's not the case. What we're talking about is a paradigm shift, and it makes sense that our brains would freak out at that. Because it is it can standing at the base of the mountain, it it feels really scary, it feels really daunting, and it can feel impossible to start, right? Like it's that it's the start that stops a lot of people. Oh, oh, I gotta get through if I get through this weekend, then that'll have been a start. Ah, I never allow myself to get through the weekend AF. So it seems impossible. And I think that

Why starting can feel so hard

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recognizing that pattern and recognizing that if alcohol has this huge outsized presence in your life, and this huge presence in how you think about yourself and this in your social circumstances and how you just operate, then contemplating a change, we have to acknowledge that it is scary, but we can't let that stop us if that's what we know that we want to bring into our lives. And also thinking about it, it's like a simultaneous thing, right? Like I'm thinking about how how big of a paradigm shift it is, but also like when we set ourselves up to consider, uh, we don't need to be considering how do I jump over the mountain. The the answer, the win, has to become how do I get through this craving? How do I get through the next 25 minutes? How do I get through tonight? And then what is life but a collection of those moments? And when you allow yourself to see it, appreciate and focus on those steps, pretty soon you've strung together enough steps that you're halfway up the mountain and you're like, wow, I didn't even realize that I could get up here. Um But yeah, what do you think about that, Alan?

SPEAKER_00 8:36

I think that's so true. I think that we get stuck, we get hung up on this idea of I need to wait until a time where I feel ready to change my whole life, right? And that is so big and so daunting and so scary, and by the way, so unnecessary. We don't we don't have to change everything at once. Like all we have to do to get this party started is to choose

One day at a time

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one day to not drink. And then if we want to continue it on the next day, we choose it again. And then we can again on the next day choose it again. And and I mean, there's a reason why AA uses that slogan one day at a time. And I mean, it's really true because it's all we have. Like, I remember when I was early on in this journey and I was fretting about a future trip in, you know, a couple months out, and I was working with a coach, and I was like, I just maybe I should just wait and do it when I come back, you know? And and she was like, you know what, Ellen, if you if you start right now and you don't drink today and you don't drink tomorrow, and you do by the time that trip comes, you could potentially have six weeks consecutive alcohol-free, or at a minimum, you're gonna have some alcohol-free time in there. You don't know how you're gonna feel in six weeks. Like you're worried about how you're gonna feel about that holiday, about that Fourth of July event, about that wedding the year, and your worry about that future thing is keeping you from making any decisions now. But every day, and this isn't just true about alcohol, but every day we grow, we wake up a little bit different, you know, our experience that we had the day before, the way we slept, the way we feel, the way our relationships, whatever, every day we're a little bit different. So we can't assume that how we feel right now is how we're gonna feel next week or next month. And that was a big thing for me to get my head around because I kept thinking, like, if I feel like this in a week, in a month, in a whatever, like this is gonna be really hard. I can't continue to have to like fight cravings like this a month from now. Like, this is that's you know, and that that would keep me stuck. Like, oh God, this just isn't a good time for me. I don't have that much energy right now. I can't commit to that right now. And and it took like somebody talking to me and being like, that's not the way this works, Ellen. Like it, that's not future Ellen is gonna be able to handle whatever future Ellen has in her life. All you need to worry about is current Ellen, this moment, right here, right now, Ellen. And what do you want to do in that moment? And I think that's really important to like ground ourselves

Let present you make today’s decision

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in.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

I love that so much. Um, and that's kind of what this whole myth hinges on. The myth that there's going to be some mythological, better time to deal with this in the future keeps present you imprisoned by future you. And we need to let present you out of the cage and allow present you to make present you's decisions. That's all you've got to do. Uh, we can't we can't live our lives in anticipation of what might happen in the future or how I might feel in the future. It's enough. Life is big and joyous and weird and difficult enough in the right now that we can allow future versions of us to deal with their present.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

Yeah, because how often did you spiral out about like, well, if I stop drinking, what's it gonna mean for my relationship? If I stop drinking, what's it gonna mean for uh that holiday coming up? If I stop drinking, what are my friends gonna think or say? And and we allow that worry, that we're future casting of unknown uncertainty, stress about what might happen in the future, instead of like, if we could instead of doing that, just be here in this present moment, can I look around? Like, what are the disadvantages for me right now in this current moment to not drinking? Are there any? Because if I feel like crap, if I feel like I want to have a good night's sleep tonight, if I feel like I want to get a day one, if I feel like I want to do something for myself that feels good right here, right now, that's all I need to know to have an alcohol-free day, right? And then tomorrow we'll deal with tomorrow. And and using that same approach, because I I

Future worries that keep you stuck

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also think like I got in my head a lot about I listened to a lot of podcasts. I I got a lot of coaching, I was in communities, I was in programs, I read Quitlet, I listened to all the things, right? And I kept thinking, I mean, one of the things that Annie Crace does in her work, which is how I got introduced to this alcohol-free journey, is she will say, like, drinking, not drinking is effortless, right? Because it is after you go through the effort. But I got so stuck in my head of like, what I just need to wait until it's gonna be effortless. And then it will magically be effortless, and then I can, and then I'll be happily alcohol free. And what I had to finally come to terms with, which was tricky for me because I really wanted, you know, I full thinking, like one day I will just wake up and I will know that I want to be alcohol free. I had to acknowledge and accept that no, like I needed to make a decision and I needed to stick with that decision, whether or not I knew if it was the right decision, whether or not I knew what was going to happen in the future. Like if I wanted to find out if this thing that I thought I wanted, you know, alcohol freedom, was worth having, I had to take the steps to get there. And waiting for some magical moment when all the pieces would fall into place. That can't, I mean, I I've probably stayed in that stuck place for like a good six months. I was like, I had all the information, I'd read all the books, I knew all the things about alcohol, and I was just sitting there waiting for some magical thing to go off in my head that would be like, now's the time, Ellen. And the the time for me, I had to make the time now. Like I

Waiting for effortless sobriety

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had to make that decision. And yeah, it's, I mean, it's one of those things that it's like both um daunting and amazing that we have that responsibility and that ability, right? To to, we are the only ones that can make that happen. And um, that feels scary. It's like, oh my God, it's all on me. And it's also like, oh my God, yes, I have control. I can do this.

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Yeah. Oh, so much of that just resonates with me. So you can expect to me with what you were saying about the, you know, take the one day at a time, present me kind of approach, and how every single day I get to make the choice. The choice is mine. And it is both empowering and daunting, right? It's all on me to make this choice, uh, but also yippee, it's all on me. I'm not beholden to some other outside circumstance. I'm I get to uh take the empowered approach of making that the choice that I'm making. And I loved the question about what are you losing in this moment right now by not drinking? You lose nothing. It's and and that to me is the the effortless part, is all I have to do is not do the thing. Um but I I totally get what you were saying about the waiting for a magical time to where it's just gonna be easy. Like my journey into this whole experience was was not like that at all, right? Like I got to a point where I was like, I am done, capital D done. And for my experience, it was once I decided that I was done, I definitely had work to do. I had things to figure out, I still needed to learn, but I was just out, right? Like I was I was out and I wasn't going back. And so for me, it was like, I'm out, how do I stay out? It wasn't I didn't get the information first and then decide

Everyone has a different way in

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to go out. I was out and then terrified of going back in. How do I stay out?

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That's such a good point because there's so many ways of entry into this, right? And it's I love that we had such different experiences that you know, the the way that we found our alcohol freedom. I mean, it was all through the ideas of Annie Grace's work, but the way that they affected us or or um, you know, helped us to get where we are now were were different. And I think that that's also so true. Like for everyone, everyone has a little bit of a different way in. And that that's a little bit of the um myth, too, of like this idea of, well, I see with the way someone else did it, or I see I can follow their path, I can read this book, I can listen to this podcast, and they see, oh, well, you know, Jonathan just read the book and then he, you know, he he experienced spontaneous sobriety and then he just had to work to stay sober. Like, I maybe I just need to read the book again and that'll happen to me. You know, like we look for all of these answers because we, it's useful to see other people's paths to get ideas about what's available and what's out there, but also recognizing that every one of our journeys is gonna look different and every little our lives are very different, right? What happens to me in my home and my environment at five o'clock based on my life experience and my childhood and my is gonna be different than yours or someone listening, right? And so for me to say, oh, this is what you need to do without having all of that context of your life experience is very challenging. I mean, we can give examples and we can say things that worked for us, but that's the thing about this journey is it's all experimentation of figuring out, okay, like what what is going to be the switch for me? And if there is no magic switch, what do I need to make that capital D decision?

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Yeah. I love that idea of that this experience is one that everybody has to kind of walk through and figure out for themselves because all of us are different and all of the reasons behind our drinking and our relationship with it and our lived experience, it's just all so different. A lot of us in trying to figure this thing out, we look for uh certainty or surety in the experience of other people, and we want to find models for what this looks like, and then we start to get in our heads if our path doesn't look like so-and-so's path. But the thing to remember is that for everybody who is describing to you how they got alcohol free, they were

The journey is the point

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also lost in the woods, they're also having to navigate the trenches of change. And part of the the joy at the end of this experience is having done the hard, unknown thing. The journey is the point, and we don't get to skip the hard part by equipping ourselves with more information or more different possible pathways and things like that. Like that can be very helpful. Those can be tools on the journey, but those tools aren't going to be what walks you up the mountain. Your own two feet are what has to walk you up the mountain.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

Yes. And and as you were saying that, I was thinking, we all are so different. And yet the thing that is the same for all of us is we all have to not drink. You know, that's the only way through. Like we can get through, we can have, we can have all of the ways that get us there. And and yeah, comparison is really the thief of joy because just because you read a book and um experienced spontaneous sobriety, if somebody only saw that part of you, they would not know the 10 years of internal suffering and pain and self-doubt and all of that that led up to that, right? So we and that's true for everyone, right? If we only look at the behavior when it changed, we don't have no idea. I mean, the average time from the time person starts to consider changing their relationship with alcohol to when it actually happens is seven years. So most people have a pretty uh intense internal experience before they actually get to that point where they do the thing that every single one of us needs to do if we actually want to be alcohol free, which is to get consecutive days not drinking. And that is like you might have to, you know, scratch, fight, and cry through. Some of those days, you know, like it's just and it feels so painful in the moment. And then I love what you said that it's like that is like those battle scars are what makes it so like rewarding at the end, you know, to be able to go through something that, yeah, it's hard. It's hard to not drink the thing that you have relied on drinking for the last however many, for me, 40 years. Yeah, that's hard. Not 40 years. I'm now I'm exaggerating. 30. It was hard, you know, but it was doable. It was doable because I had gathered all that information. I had joined a community with like-minded people. I did have coaching, I did listen to podcasts, I did read all the books, you know, I was equipped so that it wasn't like I just went in and, you know, jumped into the deep end of the pool without any, you know, floaties on, right? Like we can do this smart. And, you know, I mean, that's why, I mean, we don't always put a disclaimer on here, but maybe we should that we're never telling anybody, like, if you just to go cold turkey, if you were someone that is like

Building self-esteem by keeping your word

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physically dependent on alcohol, like that's not smart. We need to do the things that we need to do to make it safe and make ourselves equipped. But once we make that decision, we alone are the ones that have to walk through those waters and and experience the things and get to the other side of it.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

I think about the value of going through this difficult process. Like the value of climbing the mountain isn't necessarily reaching the top. It's like who you are once you reach the top. And you who you are once you reach the top of the mountain is who you've become on the journey. And like think about the people that we know in our lives that have faced and overcome really difficult, really challenging experiences in their life. That's what this is. This is this is one of the big hard things that a lot of people either choose to face and come out the other side or uh remain trapped in. And for myself, like the people that I work with that are my clients and like seeing the transformation, the personal transformation that happens when they dedicate themselves to confronting and tackling this huge, big, scary, messy, uncertain thing, is you really come out the other side a different, I would say better person for having done it.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Yeah. I mean, we use the word badass in my community a lot because that's really what it feels like. When you face down your craving and you do something different than you've been doing for the last 10, 20, 30 years, when you face an uncomfortable feeling and you wake up in the morning and you know that you chose not to drink, and you chose, you might have chosen, you know, a pint of Ben and Jerry's ice cream, but you didn't drink, which is what you promised yourself you wouldn't do, you feel like a freaking badass. You feel, I mean, I used to feel like Wonder Woman. I would wake up in the morning and be like, I can't believe I did it. I, you know, like yesterday was I didn't know I was gonna make it through that, and I did. And like you, your chest and your heart and your shoulders get you

Choose the handle that helps you carry the moment

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just if you feel like you grow, like the incredible Hulk kind of that feeling, you know. It just it's like, if I can do that, what else can I do? Is the kind of feeling it gives you.

SPEAKER_01 25:29

It makes me think about self-esteem. Like if esteem is the regard or respect that we have for something, then the self-esteem that you get by showing yourself that you can keep your word to yourself and do something hard and come out the other side of discomfort, it's all worth that discomfort and uncertainty, right? Like we've we've talked a lot about how daunting the mountain is, and about how we're in the trenches of change and we're like going through, and yeah, it's tough, and it's so completely, totally worth it on the other side. Like the like in the moment, there are plenty of not so fun times, but even in the moment, um, oh my gosh, there's a I've been reading a lot of stoicism recently, but there's a great uh epicetus quote uh where he talks about grabbing a situation by the handle that can carry it. So the idea that any situation has two or more handles, and I can look at this situation from kind of a negative or a deficit way, or I can look at it from a more helpful, supportive way that's gonna help me carry this moment forward. Uh and the idea is that I can look at uh maybe I'm facing down my first alcohol-free night. I'm gonna get my very first day one, and I can go into it being like, oh boy, here we go. This is gonna be real hard. I don't know if I'm gonna make it. This is I'm depriving myself and my woe is me. You can totally go into it in that spirit, and you're gonna have a terrible time. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Or you can go into it being like, I wonder what's gonna happen. I don't know that I can remember the last time that I had an alcohol-free night. How is that gonna make me sleep? I don't know what am I gonna do instead? What would what would make me feel happy? Like if I'm using alcohol to feel happy or relaxed in this moment, what thing besides alcohol would make me feel happy and relaxed? What would it be like if I just took myself out to we use ice cream a lot in this podcast, I realize, but ice cream is delicious. Well, what would happen if I took myself out for uh I'm gonna take myself to the movie and have a pint of ice cream? What would that be like? That'd be totally weird. That'd be that'd be such a novel experience. And then you kind of get excited about it and then and then see how you feel, right? Same situation grabbed by a different handle can make such a huge difference. And stringing, we talked about stringing moments together, stringing moments together where you've picked up the supportive handle is the way that you can successfully navigate these early days AF.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

Yeah. And I think it's important to remember too, because we're talking

The hard part does not last forever

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a lot about the struggle and a lot about like how to get through the struggle. And I love that frame of like the frame that we bring to it. It's going to make it that either harder or easier or more joyful or more whatever. Um, but it's also fleeting, like that promise of Annie Grace's that it will be effortlessly to not drink, that is true. Like it does become that way. And, you know, it's not, it might not happen in the first week or even the first month. But if you consistently do not drink for 90 days, 100 days, like I don't, I don't know when the magic switch happens. I'm sure it's different for different people, but even at 90 days, it's not like every day is effortful, you know. I would say like the mo the the what you can expect is the first seven to 10 days is to require some effort. And not everybody even experiences that, but like in the beginning, you got to be prepared to put in the work, to put to to to you know, have the ice cream plan and the and the movie plan and the good attitude and the going to bed early and you know, all the strategies to get through those first few days. And then, you know, you start to build that trust too. Like, wow, that was really flipping hard. And I did it. So if I can do that, when the next day something hard comes up, it's like, okay, maybe I can do this too. In some ways, like you don't, because you know, like we deserve the the badassery of going through this fire that is life-changing, you know, and life-giving. And and there's a real tribe of people on the other side that, you know, it's kind of cool to be a part of that tribe because we've all experienced like some pretty shitty times drinking and the challenge of giving it up and to all be on the other side of it. It's it's a pretty amazing club that um is worth, you know, thinking about joining.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

That's worth the price of a mission. The yeah, I I definitely um I mean, some of my favorite people in the world are the people who have done this work because it really the process really separates the wheat from the chaff. Like you don't get to be, you don't get from drinking more than you like to effortlessly living a joyful life that you were choosing and not turn into a total badass. And like for me, I'd rather surround myself with total badasses than not, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Well, that's probably a good place

Meet your inner badass

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for us to end on our like mutual badassery over here that we would we would like to encourage you all to meet your inner badass, allow them to come out and uh show you what they're capable of because you are capable of way more than you believe you are. I had no idea what I was capable of.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Yeah. And it's it's like you were saying, it's totally worth the journey. All right. That's our episode for this week of The Alcohol Myth. Thank you for joining us on this discussion of the idea that there's going to be some better future time to get this sorted out. I hope that by the end of this episode you're rethinking that and thinking, hmm. There's no time like the present.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Yes. Be here now. Take it on now.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

All right. Until next time, I've been Jonathan.

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And I'm Ellen. Great to be with you.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

Have a beautiful day. Thanks for listening to the Alcohol Myth Podcast.

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