Compounding Pharmacies

Compounding Pharmacies Explained 💊 
Personalized Medicine, Safety, and the Truth Behind the Hype

What exactly is a compounding pharmacy—and how is it different from your typical retail pharmacy?

In this episode of Healthier Ever After, we sit down with pharmacist Cliff Holt from Hurricane Family Pharmacy to break down everything you need to know about compounding pharmacies—what they are, how they work, and why they may be a game-changer for personalized medicine.

We dive into:
 • The history of compounding (it was actually the original pharmacy!)
 • How customized medications can be tailored to YOUR exact needs
 • Real-world examples (thyroid dosing, dermatology, weight loss support, and more)
 • The role of compounding in GLP-1 medications and managing side effects
 • Safety concerns, regulations, and how to choose a reputable pharmacy
 • Why your provider–pharmacist–patient relationship matters more than ever
 • The truth about misinformation surrounding compounding pharmacies

This conversation highlights a key idea:
👉 The best outcomes happen when your care is personalized—not one-size-fits-all.

Whether you’re exploring GLP-1 medications, struggling with side effects, or just curious about how modern pharmacy is evolving, this episode is packed with practical, real-world insights.

⚠️ Disclaimer:
This content is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to replace advice from your personal medical provider.

💡 Key Takeaway:
You don’t just need medication—you need the right dose, form, and support system to make it work for you.


🔔 Subscribe for more episodes on:
 • Weight loss & GLP-1 medications
 • Nutrition & metabolism
 • Practical, sustainable health strategies

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📌 Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
01:00 What is a compounding pharmacy?
04:30 Who benefits from compounded medications?
09:30 GLP-1 medications & personalization
13:30 Are compounding pharmacies safe?
16:30 How to choose the right pharmacy
19:30 The future of compounding vs big pharma
22:00 Nutrition, supplements & medication side effects

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

All right, here we go again. Welcome back. Here we go. Happily or helpful. Can't even do it. Healthy year ever after. We're back. And we're talking again with Cliff Holt, uh here from the Hurricane Family Pharmacy, several of the pharmacies. Uh, and we're gonna talk a little bit today about compounding premises. As a reminder, what we discuss here is for informational and educational purposes only, not meant to replace any relationship you have with your personal medical provider. Um, so Cliff, welcome back. Thanks. Good to be with you guys. Thanks for asking. And you know, we talked a little bit before about GLP1s. Um we we want to kind of get into you you went in a little bit about the the process and maybe kind of the logistics of running a compounding pharmacy and what allows what you're able to do for that, and and really personalize some dosing and some uh administration formulations and things. Can you just give us a kind of a rundown about again compounding pharmacies and how it differs from a traditional pharmacy, and maybe how it how it how did that sort of happen?

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Yeah. So until about 19, early 1900s, pharmacy was all compounding from the beginning of time to when Eli Lilly was the first drug company that was established in 1902 or three or something like that. It's right around it. Don't quote me the exact year, but that's when big pharma started in uh in the US and in the world. And so before that, you went to the druggist back then, and the doctor would give um the yeah, the doctor at that time was the only one prescribing, and so they would give a formula, and then the pharmacist would make it. And the pharmacist would talk with the doctors and they would come up with formulations together about to treat the most common um uh issues, medical issues that their patients had. And so that was the that was pharmacy forever was compounding.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

You like really started that way in the world.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

So compounds here. Compounding pharmacy was the was the OG. I mean, it was like these big farmers actually pharma is actually the one that came in and and tried to take over. It's it's not the other way around.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

So it was you think for 6,000 years it was it was this, and the last hundred and twenty-five, it's been big pharma.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Yeah, really coming in. No, it seems to me, and maybe you'll get into this as well, but it seems to me that that that um you know, and you see that I mean you see that in film movies and things, and and and um it seems to me that that was would have been a much more not just individualized, but a much more personal, like you have a relationship with your pharmacist. You know, you you it's not just you go to dispense a pill, there's there's it's interaction, there's some I don't know that am I yeah, no, no one's talking to me from Eli Lilly, no one's called.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Uh, you know, I can't call, I can't text them.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

Yeah, and you know, and yeah, I think about the movie It's a Wonderful Life, right? The pharmacist in there. That's that's the bad story. That's not the way pharmacy really is, but but that was kind of the thing is we just made all of our own medications, a lot of more liquids. There were poultices we would put in the mouth to be absorbed. Uh, we would make some tablets, we'd make some suppositories. Um, really weren't doing a lot of injectables back then because we didn't have a way to make things sterile until big pharma came in. But but that was pharmacy for 6,000 years was just making those things. Then Big Pharma comes in, and it's just, you know, compounding goes down, big pharma goes up. And when I got out of school in the in the mid-80s, it was they taught us one little piece of compounding in pharmacy school. And it was it was a little lab, and we made two or three different things. And big pharma had had taken over in those 70 years. And but back in the day, there were no Walgreens, there were no Walmarts, there were no grocery stores with pharmacies in them. You went to the druggist, you went to the apothecary, and uh, and that was a customized medication for you every time. And so in the pharmacy now you walk in and there's a thousand commercial bottles on the shelves. Back then, there were vials and there were bottles with different tinctures in them and and different powders, and everything was compounded.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Awesome. Um, so so uh how then so that that I mean that sounds like it took a century to sort of change that that demographic of how medications are are created and dispensed, and became much more like the big pharma, much less personal, uh, much less individualized. So, what type of patients are most benefit from from compounded medications?

SPEAKER_02 4:47

Um, the easy answer is almost everyone, because there's uh there's certain things that we need. So a lot of times, you know, a commercial medication is just a few dosages, and we try to sit fit somebody in there close. Compounding, we can dial it in to the exact dose of provider thinks the patient needs. And so, or a different dosage form, or a different flavor, or a different, I mean, we make all sorts of different things. And so we can dial it into the patient to give them exactly what they need for the desired benefit.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

Well, uh, Cliff, uh just to add to that, you know, uh just anecdotal experience um working in family practice. I I remember a particular patient that, um, and this is when I was a brand new provider and just kind of figuring out, getting my legs underneath me, and hadn't really, really school-wise, hadn't really interacted with compound pharmacies very much. And I remember having this patient that we just couldn't quite get her thyroid dialed in. And, you know, it's it's like one dose up, and it we she'd get, you know, it's too much medication, one dose down, and she wasn't quite enough. And and she felt it. I mean, she'd feel if she was too high or too low. Um, and we couldn't just get it dialed in. Finally, um, after talking to the retail pharmacist that actually was, you know, really in kind of in tune, they said, look, you you probably need to get her to a to a compound pharmacy and figure this out. Of course, working with a compound pharmacist that could um figure out, hey, what dose is she currently on, what she's tried, what are our labs doing, um, was able to dial us into a good dose for her, which put her right where she needed to be. She never felt better. We got this steady, you know, steady levels. And um, it was just such an awesome experience to watch the compound pharmacy um and that niche thing that I think a lot of people think is is um is probably the more uh uncommon thing. And maybe it maybe it kind of is in the in the traditional sense now, but it was so awesome to watch that and and watch the compound pharmacist figure out what would work best for her and to watch it change her so she didn't wasn't chasing her uh thyroid levels was was amazing.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Yeah, and thyroid's a classic example of that, Greg. I mean, there's more strengths on thyroid than any other drug because it's a narrow therapeutic drug, but it's still not everybody fits inside there for a lot of reasons, right? The conversion of T4 to T3 and and how they convert, and maybe T4 is high and and and reverse T3 is high, you know, and so they're not getting that benefit. So that's one example. Back to your your your original question, uh Rick, about who really needs or can can use compounds. So I'm kind of a chemistry geek kind of a guy, and I put formulas together over the years, and we've we've had the we have these air, we call them everyday compounds. So we have 10 everyday compounds, and we every family needs at least one of them. So I'll tell you, I could have a pharmacy with one formula. I've got a cold sore formula that I put together a couple decades ago. It's a gel, and when you first feel that tingling or burning coming on before it breaks out, you put this gel on, it'll never break out. If you do forget it and it breaks out, it'll clear it up a lot quicker. Now, 80% of our country has the virus that causes those cold sores. And I mean, so that's one of the 10 things. And so when you think who can use compounds, there's big pharma is not gonna make that because it's up here in my head. We made it. And so it's it's just one of these things. We have a great hair growth formula, we've got a great scar formula, we've got a great toenail fungus. So we have these things. We have a killer, I shouldn't say killer in medical, we have a great uh cream, right? So it's we have a great day cream and a great night cream. And uh we've just put these formulations together and we've tweaked them over the years, over the decades now. I'm gonna go list of all these things.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Um, I have the list. I I use it regularly for prescriptions. And actually, the one that you you didn't mention, but actually is is also quite effective that you guys came up with. And I don't know if it was you or or one of your good pharmacists over there, uh, is your uh wart one. Yeah, the work for an 50. My daughter got one little wart, and she just she's so scared of needles and getting burned and all this stuff. And so I said, Well, look, I'm like, we'll we'll put a medication on it. And you know, we've just not had very good luck uh with the the the traditional medications that uh come from the uh you know from just the regular retail pharmacy. And so it was one of your pharmacists that turned me on to this, and I um and I got it from my daughter and took care of it. Yeah, nice.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Well, this tells you a little about it. So so I read drug studies on PubMed for fun, and that's that's that shows you how geeky I really am. So we saw that 5FU was being researched into some of these things, and so that's when we came up with our own formula on that. And it's brilliant, it works great.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

Yeah. So this it sounds like this, I mean, this conversation just in what we've normally been talking about with weight loss and GLP1s, it it it's it sounds to me like this just emphasizes the importance of one of the things that we've talked about before is is is the importance of having a good uh relationship with your medical provider, the person who's prescribing this for you, and you know, makes it more even more important not to just get online and find something that that is cheap and and you can use, but but really with your provider and and that relationship with you know, uh most people I think are getting the GLP1s through a compounding pharmacy. Uh we talked about that last week. And uh and and it makes it that much more important to to really let your provider and your pharmacist kind of hit that that sweet spot.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

Uh, because then I think you know, we talked about thyroid hormone, but but I think the GLP ones are another one that that for a lot of people have a pretty pretty narrow positive therapeutic range before they can get crazy with some of the side effects.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

Yeah. Yep, exactly right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

One thing that I think uh just based on what Rick's saying and kind of the thoughts that I'm having as we've had these conversations over the last two podcasts, is you know, I think that pharmacists in the in the big box retail sense have kind of been looked at as like of uh some of the you know medical providers that are being excluded from the the team. Um whereas the difference is is like with me and Rick working with uh directly with pharmacists in the emergency department, and then uh you know, me and and Rick working uh you know with your pharmacy in the um, you know, in the in the in our clinic setting, um, you know, it's such a big part of what we do.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

We we rely much more like a member of the team.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Yeah, we rely so heavily on the pharmacists in the ER. I rely, I mean, I call you guys all the time for questions and and and and troubleshooting and all that. And I'm just like, you know, I was just thinking, I'm like, if I didn't have these pharmacists that are just experts in drugs and absorbability and uh what's the best thing for this?

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

I mean, I just can't imagine not having that as part of my practice. And then as a medical provider and really as a patient, I think I think your kind of medical providers are kind of underserving their patients if they're not utilizing that resource. And you just can't, frankly, get that at a big box pharmacy. You just won't. And it's not, I don't think it's the pharmacist's fault directly. I mean, they're inundated with um 500 tasks, and which one of them have time to sit and break it down with you?

SPEAKER_02 12:06

It's like everything medical. We've we've advanced so much, and and then on our field is growing. I mean, it's not even weekly now, it's like daily. New things are coming out every single day. It's impossible to know everything. A hundred years ago, the family doctor who was walking around with his bag and coming to your knocking on the door, he kind of knew everything to know back then. But now, I mean, think of a cardiologist. I mean, there are like 10 or 12 different cardiology specialists, right? Or ophthalmologists, the same thing. And same with pharmacy, right? So nobody can know everything now and keep up with everything. It's just impossible. So everybody kind of is specializing, right? And in doing things. And so compounding is one of those things. It's they don't teach us this in pharmacy school, like I mentioned earlier. It's one of those things you really have to learn. It's like functional medicine. You guys are functional medicine providers, and you guys have studied and taken courses, as I have. I've had a fellowship in in functional medicine and anti-aging, and we do that because we don't learn those things in school, right? And things are changing. And so we got to look for those things, those people who are specialists.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

We we kind of talked about this earlier, but in general, compound pharmacies, are they safe? Like, are like, do you guys have to follow certain regulations and all the things that you would expect from a safety profile? Um, can you talk a little bit about that and uh maybe answer if someone's watching this and just is not sure about compounding pharmacies in general, um, about the safety of them?

SPEAKER_02 13:34

That's really an important thing, Greg, because we have big pharma now who is mad at us for doing GLP ones. Yeah and they're sending out false information. And so, like one of their one of their statements is well, compounding pharmacy isn't regulated by the FDA, so it's not safe. Well, the first half of that is is by definition. FDA is not over, is not regulating pharmacy. Again, we're we're regulated by the state of Utah, like you are. Our licenses are are regulated by the state of Utah. They come in, they inspect us. Our licenses are through those guys. And so we're not FDA was not was not created for compound pharmacy or even pharmacy. It was created for big pharma to keep them in check, make sure everything's correct and and they're going through all the all the checks and balances before they get a drug on the market and to keep them there. So there's a lot of misinformation out there. Um I think that um where people need to be, they need to ask some questions about their compounding pharmacists, just like you would ask questions about your medical provider. You're not just gonna go to a provider nowadays without searching them out. If you you know what you need to be seen for, you know what your problem is medically, and you're gonna find, you're gonna do some research, probably online, talking to friends, talking to family, talking to some other medical professionals about who is going to help me with my medical problem. And it's no difference with pharmacy. Um, look, we all sell um every pharmacy sells commercial medications. And if you just need a statin drug, you can get that at my place, you can get it at Walgreens, you can get it at Walmart, Costco, wherever. They all everybody carries those if you're at retail. Compounding, more specialty, way more specialty, right? A lot of training involved, um, a lot of continuing education involved to keep up with everything. Um, when the state comes in and does inspections, there's a standard pharmacy inspection. It's two or three pages long. There's also a five page, I think it's five pages for non-sterile compounding, and another five to eight pages for sterile compounding, full of questions. Are you doing this? Are you doing this? Are you doing this? We're required to have standard operating procedures or SOPs with great detail in compounding pharmacy. And so if you have those and you're following those, then it's gonna be a safe experience for our patients. Yeah, it's good information.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

So, so how would how would a uh a consumer or a patient uh are there something that they would look for? Uh, or or would they just kind of go with what their provider goes with? I mean, is there something that I could say, hey, I uh my doctor wants to get this medicine from this particular pharmacy because he says they're great. Is there is there something like I look for in a pharmacy to kind of get some confidence that they are kind of checking all those boxes and filling out the forms right and getting inspected and whatever?

SPEAKER_02 16:25

Well, here's the thing you want somebody with some experience. Um it's uh there's a lot of people just jumping into compounding now across the country, a lot of people jumping into sterile compounding that have never done it before. So you want to find out about experience, you want to find about inspections, you want to you want to ask some of these questions. Um, you know, what made you a compounding pharmacist? Did you just take a class for a weekend? Did you read a book? Did you did you work someplace? Um, did you, you know, so there, I mean, I say that partially joking, but there are people popping up across the country with no experience. And that's a scary situation when you're talking, especially when you're talking about sterile. Again, when you when you inject that, if it's not done exactly right and you're not third-party testing to make sure it's endotoxin-free and sterile, then we can have a big issue, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

So really just looking at that and then and then um obviously making sure that the the they have all the state, and of course, you're not getting research-based medications and and all that.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

That's that's a big thing about where you're sourcing your chemicals from. There's um um, I remember the HCG days, HCG for weight loss, human corianogonadotropin. That's a naturally occurring substance that women create when they're pregnant, and what happens is it changes the fuel tank. And so, in so the baby's always gonna get what they need when mom's pregnant, nutrition-wise, even to mom's detriment. And so, what HCG does is that turns the fuel tank instead of burning protein, or which is muscle mass as a fuel, it burns fat cells, right? And so we thought, well, gosh, that would work for weight loss. And yeah, Dr. Atkins came with this thing years and years decades ago, and it really worked well. But here's my point HCG, those three initials were not a patent. There were things at the bodega and the vape shop that said HCG on the counter that people thought these oral drops were going to make them lose weight. And there was no drug in there. Again, HCG stands for human corionic anatotropin. There was none of that in there because that would require a prescription. You would have to go to a medical provider and get a prescription and come to a pharmacist, a compounding pharmacist, and get that medication. But people didn't realize that. They just thought, well, it's all the same. And right now we're having the same issue. If it says it has semaglutide in it or the appetite, it must be good. And we're seeing stuff um sending in, being sent in from outside the country, and even stuff inside the country that just doesn't have anything in it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

As far as the it seems like a lot of people, like you said, in medicine, we're getting more and more specialized, um, you know, to get something done, going to a generalist. It you can, they can do the general things, but a lot of times they are going to send you to a specialist that specializes in specific conditions and diseases, and so that you can get that more individualized care as well as like the experience. So as far as compounding pharmacies go, where do you see the is that something that we've like kind of seen the pendulum swing so far one way where people are going to, you know, kind of get tired of the big box pharmacies and tired of being brushed off? Um, and they're and the pendulum will swing the other way and and there'll be um a different future for compounding pharmacies as far as growth and expansion. Like, what do you see for the future for compounding pharmacies?

SPEAKER_02 19:52

I think there's a need for both big pharma and for compounding pharmacies. A compounding pharmacy shouldn't and couldn't make every medication from scratch. Um, there's a lot of people that fall into those things where look, there's a lot of commercial medications that work great. We have we have success stories every day. You have success stories of your patients. You give them a prescription for a retail for an infection or for blood pressure or whatever, arthritis, and it works great for them. Yeah. And we also have a lot of patients that it doesn't work great for. And so that's when we need to think compounding. So we generally don't think about compounding first because it's more specialized. You're not gonna go to a specialist at the beginning, you're gonna go to a GP, to your point, Greg, and they're gonna give you a referral. And so there's really a necessity to have a general practitioner, a family practice guy, and then have a specialist also. In pharmacy world, we're gonna need to have the retail because quite frankly, economically, it's the way to go. They mass produce these things, the generics, they're inexpensive, and they can treat a lot of the a lot of the indications we have, a lot of the disease states we have. That's great when that works. When it doesn't work, that's when we do a specialty, which is compounding pharmacy.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

I like that. I like that way of thinking about that. And and and that sounds again like a decision that would would be made between you and your medical provider. Like, hey, let's let's I think we need to get some some more expertise and some more dialed in uh treatment on that.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

Yeah, and a lot of times it's like triad that you talked about, right? It's your compounding pharmacist, it's you as a provider, it's your patient. And it's hey, what can we do with this? We always tell our providers, hey, give us your toughest case. We like to be challenged, give us your toughest patient.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

I try to do that once a month.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

Game on, let's go, let's go. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

You're you know, you have some some great pharmacists that work with you as well that um I know I use. And it's the difference is is that um trying to run complicated patients, you know, for your straightforward patients, I agree with you that um most pharmacists can help you with what you need. And but for your more complex patients that Need very specialized care. Um, I mean, the resources of being able to like call a compound pharmacist and say, look, this is what I got going on, and then letting them put that education to work. Um, it's been fantastic, I know, for my practice and more importantly, for my patients, right? The patients that we can't just quite get it dialed in until we get that specialized medicine or care. It has been really beneficial.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

Yeah. Your patients aren't happy, you're not going to be happy.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Just with the dosing of medicine, but I mean, there's, you know, you like you you've got things that the department people, people on GLP1s, for example, we talk about that a lot. Um, that's kind of the focus of what we've been talking about. Uh they have side effects, and and you've you've you've recognized that you see that and and have other products that can mitigate some of that. Your digestive enzymes are like a big thing, right? Like that that's something that you can recommend and and talk about other things that you can provide that sort of complete a whole therapeutic thing.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

That's really a good point. Um, typically, compounding pharmacists are really into nutritional products. I understand that. Um, there um there's a problem with a lot of prescription drugs that cause um a nutrient depletion in your body. And so, if you think about there's um co-Q10, for instance, is an over-the-counter supplement. And coQ10 is the fuel that fires up the mitochondria, which is the energy source in every cell in your body. And so if you have a drug like a statin drug or metformin, those limit or decrease how how you can absorb CoQ10 and even produce CoQ10 in your body. And so it's important, it's imperative actually, you're taking uh the right, not just a CoQ10 supplement, but the right CoQ10 supplement, ubiquinol, to be able to counteract those problems that that drug is causing. And we need that drug for other issues, right? So we don't have a heart attack and stroke out with a statin, for instance, metformin for diabetes and anti-aging purposes. We but we just need to make sure we're doing that. So, so that's the kind of they're two specialties, and a lot of times those are tied together. Compounding pharmacists really know a lot about nutritional products.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

Oh, that's that's awesome. That's super important. We one of our mantras is, you know, when people are trying to lose weight, we we really emphasize that we want them that you know, their focus on a calorie deficit, but not a nutrition deficit.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

I actually just put together a brand new line, we're just launching it next week, of a customized formulation that I put together and had made from a manufacturer in Utah of supplements. And we've got like a men's health, a women's health, but I'm really excited about our GLP1 formula. And it's gonna have it's customized um to uh to really help um make their weight loss journey more effective and help with some of those side effects, right? And so nutrition is important. Yeah, super important.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

I'm gonna mess this up because I read a lot about GLP1s and all that, but there was something that recently came out that there's actually been um some B6 um deficiencies found in a few patients that are on GLP ones because they're not getting all the nutrition they need. They're coming in with like some rare conditions that really were not thought of as like they kind of thought of like as like they just don't usually happen in America. And and I was just reading about that, and they were like, yeah, there's like people are coming in and and they're finding they have this and find out they're on the GLP one. And and it's because a lot of them are frankly getting them from online. They're not getting the guidance of a medical provider or a good pharmacy that that can make good recommendations for nutrition. And so they've just unfortunately put themselves in a situation where they have these nutrient deficits that are once again, frankly, thought of as being like not really yeah, like like we see this in Africa where people are they can't eat or they're malnourished because of lack of everything. But then uh so to Rick's point, and when we emphasize we're where we want to be in a calorie deficit, not a nutritional deficit, I think that that emphasizes the point of you know, if you end up getting your GLP1 from a compound pharmacy, um, you need to go to a a good place that has your best interest in mind as well as a medical provider that can guide you through this and and and and give you some ideas of ways that even though we're reducing your overall calorie intake, we still need nutrients and supplementation where necessary. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Healthy diet and healthy weight loss is much more than purposeful starvation.

SPEAKER_02 26:41

Absolutely. And I think our population now doesn't understand the the true importance of nutrition. They think, well, I could take a multivitamin once a day, maybe I'll take it, maybe I won't. But the average person doesn't know this, but magn, and you guys do know this. Magnesium is responsible for over 320 processes in our body. If we're low on magnesium, and a lot of us are across the country, yeah, you know, it's uh there's just a lot of things that aren't properly functioning in your body. And and and B6 is another one. The B vitamins are so critical for so many things in our body to work exactly right.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Yep, that nutrition is super important. Well, thank you. Um, is there anything else that we you want to kind of talk about with compounding? I don't know if we even know the right questions and answers. This has been super informative for us, for me. Hopefully, everyone else listening.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

You know, I would just say that um um compounding has its place. And and and when you need a compound, you need a compound. I mean, we have things that are saving people's eyesight. I mean, we have we just we do a lot of things that are just so needed, and it's just one of those things where you're you just need to talk to your provider about this. Yeah, and and typically providers, you know, back not so much now, but it really was we got out of med school, PA school, nurse practitioner school, and some of us were geeks and kept on, you know, doing different things, but a lot of people were just seeing 30 patients a day, and big pharma was coming in and giving them their their updates, right? They were learning how great Nexium was, right? And you all three of us know how bad Nexium is for us, right? And and it's over the counter, it should not be over the counter. That's another, that's another another topic, how to get off of your your your proton pump inhibitor. But uh as an example, there's um we just your providers, whether it's your pharmacy or your medical providers, you want to go to somebody who's who's really kind of geeky and and like the three of us, they're reading drug studies, we're we're looking at the new new research coming out. Um, we're lifelong learners, right? And that's where we're gonna find out and keep up with what's going on in the medical field.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

Yeah, awesome. Okay, well, well, thank you. And we will keep pointing patients your way and and we're I'm excited to go over the list of all the cool things I can't live without anymore.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

I know I've already gone over it. It's actually pretty awesome. The uh the stuff you guys are doing over there is is great. And uh yeah, we appreciate you working with us and coming on and and informing you know anyone that'll listen to this podcast now or later. Um, I I think this information is just so needed. Uh, and I think it's just there's been a lot of um information misconstrued by frankly, by big pharma. And I I love that you are not once during the whole time we've been talking, have you taken the opportunity to take a shot at Big Pharma? You actually um are promoting the fact that that you guys can can live and work in the same space and that you both benefit each other and patience rather than um taking the opportunity that you could have to say, hey, look, we're better, they're worse. Um, you didn't do that. And I I really appreciate that about you. And I I think that that is uh a very true statement. We all can can work within this space, and there's enough patience and there's enough things to do for all of us that um we don't really need to be um the only one that does this.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Yeah. Exactly right. Well said.

SPEAKER_01 30:11

All right. Well, thank you. Thank you, Cliff. Thanks, Greg. Good to be with you guys for tonight on that one. Uh one last reminder uh this is for informational and educational purposes only. Uh please see your medical provider to talk about all these things we discussed, pharmacies, any use of medications or nutritional plan or weight loss program. Uh all right, take care. We hope everyone is healthier ever after. Take care, Cliff.